Crossover appeal
Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Jan 23, 2010 
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Greetings from Indianapolis. I had to connect through Detroit to get here today and there was a slew of Jets fans on my flight, including several wearing Yankees hats/shirts/sweatshirts. The AFC Championship game is, obviously, tomorrow at 3 p.m. and – judging by the comments on here and in my email inbox – there is a fair amount of crossover between Yankees and Jets fans.
What I didn’t know, however, was that the crossover also carries over to the Jets themselves. According to this piece, several Jets made a point of attending a number of games during the Yankees World Series run and have been talking about what they saw in the Bronx as inspiration.
One of my earliest sports memories is watching the Mets win the 1986 World Series and, a few months later, enjoying the Giants taking home the Super Bowl trophy, too. Could this be the year for the Yankees and the Jets? Certainly the group that led a “J-E-T-S” chant as we landed is hoping so, but how about you? How many of you pinstriped fans are now wearing the Gang Green too?
I’ve been a Jets fan since 1998, when both NYC teams made the postseason and I like the Jets game better than the Giants (it helps that the Jets actually won that game).
It’s an odd feeling, trying to juxtapose being a Jets fan with what I know about being a Yankee fan, but if any of you all are interested, I wrote about it here:
http://www.puristbleedspinstri.....believing/
Any Chien-ming Wang news?????
Sam,
I am a long time Yankees and Jets fan. I hope some of the Yankees championship magic rubs off on the Jets!
What?!
Just kidding, Sam. Yankee fans are scattered far and wide.
Self promotion isn’t a particularly attractive quality.
Erica – always OPPC – Bring Johnny Back!!!
January 23rd, 2010 at 6:46 pm
Andy Stankiewicz
January 23rd, 2010 at 6:28 pm
A comical, yet probably accurate take on what is going on with Johnny:
http://nysubwaychatter.com/201…..my-friday/
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Reading this article now and saw the following paragraph. I heard that song playing on the Sirius Love song station thios morning. Is that some sort of sign???
Boras: Hey Brian, it’s Scott. Johnny came to me the other day and told me he wants to be a Yankee. Remember how all he kept saying last year was how great it was to be a Yankee and how much he loved it? (“Make It Real” by the Jets starts playing in the background.) Well, he meant it.
Nick-
I can use your assistance for a round of WSEEFD-
Kind of a twist on GWNHFDLN
Right here! Die hard Yankees and Jets fan.
Die-hard Giants fan and can’t stand the Jets. Maybe because even when I was younger I realized it was silly to have to prove that you can spell your team’s name in a chant led by some goon in a fireman’s hat. But hey, that’s just me.
Looking forward to any Damon news. I would LOVE to have him back.
Not sure what the options are, Erica. How about Korean!
Um, pizza is probably pretty doable.
On that note, I’m leaving Napa now.
Nick in SF in Napa
January 23rd, 2010 at 6:59 pm
Not sure what the options are, Erica. How about Korean!
Um, pizza is probably pretty doable.
On that note, I’m leaving Napa now.
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Its one of those nights where I am hungry and not in the mood to eat anything. I hate when that happens. I’m probably going to wind up with a frozen dinner.
Mr Nick-
Travel safe!!!
Yankees Jets! Donnie Baseball and Wayne Chrebet. Paul O’neill and Curtis Martin. Derek Jeter and Darelle Revis.
•Veteran infielder Mark Loretta is expected to retire this week and take a job with an unspecified major league club, writes Jerry Crasnick of ESPN. The 38-year-old, who spent 2009 with the Dodgers, has a career .754 OPS.a”
Mark Loretta, meet Red Sox or NESN. NESN or Red Sox, meet Andre Dawson, err, Sean Casey, err, Mark Loretta.
Mark’s 1 year stint with the Red Sox has surely given him the opinion that their organization is the best thing since sliced bread….
Andre Dawson said he’d love to go in the Hall with a Red Sox cap because of how great they were to him (though that cannot happen anyways, it’s still amusing to hear)
When I read Heyman, I hear the voice of Scott Boras.
When I read Heyman, I am reading a guy who’d rather have a scoop than any ethics.
Nick: No news on CMW as yet. I’d imagine there’d be some more news once Sheets ends up somewhere. Sort of work down the “rehabbing starter” list …
I am a Yankees/Giants/Knicks fan. But best of luck to the Jets tomorrow!
this is an interesting (and devastating) lineup to me….
jeter
damon
johnson
texiera
arod
posada
cano
swisher
granderson
great length, and nery a weakspot….
from a giant fan, let’s go jets.
Thanks, Sam.
(and Erica)
The Giants SB win in the 80s was one of my first real sports memories too.
I remenber my dad yelling “McConkey!”
I’ve been a Jets fan since the late 70′s early 80′s. Back then with Klecko and Gastineau with Richard Todd the quarterback. Those where some good Jet teams then, but I have that same sense and hope that the current team has a boatload of potential and another year under his belt with Mark Sanchez. Good times ahead!
Is it possible the Yankees are honestly trying to keep the payroll under $200M when the new collective bargaining agreement comes?
I mean, if the Yankees continue to spend spend spend… the other owners are more likely to punish the team when they need to devise new luxury tax rules and/or other restrictions.
if the Yankees show that they are going to be “more responsible” or not spend what others consider to be exorbitant amounts, the owners won’t have as much of a case against them.
“Andre Dawson said he’d love to go in the Hall with a Red Sox cap because of how great they were to him”
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Andre never played for this current Red Sox regime.
I know a handful of former Sox (plus Varitek) who have said they’re not very pleased with the way the new front office does business – treating them more like a # than a human being.
(though I realize it’s hard to sympathize with people making million$)
“”"”"”"”Steamer:
Die-hard Giants fan and can’t stand the Jets. Maybe because even when I was younger I realized it was silly to have to prove that you can spell your team’s name in a chant led by some goon in a fireman’s hat. But hey, that’s just me.”"”"”"”"”
You’re an idiot.
jeter
damon
johnson
texiera
arod
posada
cano
swisher
granderson
that lineup, with our CURRENT pitching staff wins 106-112 games next year….
JD: Scott, I’m nervous, this doesn’t seem to be working.
SB: Give me one more week. I’m talking with the Braves and the Tigers and they both want you…not for the numbers we’ve been kicking around…actually it’s closer to the ML minimum, but what the H…, it sounds good. Have another glass of Kool-Aid.
JD: I don’t know. I may do what Arod did; actually, I could pop in on George, it’s only around the corner, and show him my new toys. He’s into exotic vehicles, and knows it costs a lot of $$$$$ to collect. What do you think?
SB: Johnny, don’t be an “Idiot” (ooops); leave everything to me. Gotta go…there’s the phone, it’s Jon on the line. Stay Kool, you’re in good hands.
“jeter
damon
johnson
texiera
arod
posada
cano
swisher
granderson
that lineup, with our CURRENT pitching staff wins 106-112 games next year….”
Call me old-fashioned, but I still like having your best two run producers in the 3 and 4 holes. If and when Damon returns I’d hit NJ farther down in the lineup, maybe even 9th so he can be on base for the top.
Indy will destroy the Jets tomorrow and the Saints will find another way to drop the biggest game of their year. Favre against Manning in the Super Bowl and THAT will be fun to watch !
Sam: it’s kinda natural isn’t it? I mean, the Jets and Yankees are both NY teams.
“Favre against Manning in the Super Bowl and THAT will be fun to watch !”
I’m thinking this would break some ratings records. It would be pretty fun to watch.
Blake, can’t say I don’t see what you are saying,,,but what a great problem to have, huh ?….what ORDER to you put those 9 in ??? WOW !
“Blake, can’t say I don’t see what you are saying,,,but what a great problem to have, huh ?….what ORDER to you put those 9 in ??? WOW !”
Yea I mean any way you stack it, that lineup would be nearly impossible to navigate through and would burn up lots of bullpens.
When…
cano
swisher
granderson
….is the “easy” part of facing us ?…Man, we are going to score some runs in bunches !
.
Personally I like:
(against righties) (against lefties)
Jeter Jeter
Damon Damon
Teixera Teixera
Arod Arod
Granderson Posada
Posada Cano
Cano N. Johnson
Swisher Swisher
N. Johnson. Granderson.
agreed….sweet !
They are not going to bat Alex Rodriguez in the 5 slot.
“They are not going to bat Alex Rodriguez in the 5 slot.”
agreed
“GreenBeret7 January 23rd, 2010 at 7:57 pm
They are not going to bat Alex Rodriguez in the 5 slot.”
.
uhhh…he is in the 4 spot in both of the above righty/lefty examples….
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus January 23rd, 2010 at 6:39 pm
I’ve been a Jets fan since 1998, when both NYC teams made the postseason and I like the Jets game better than the Giants (it helps that the Jets actually won that game).
It’s an odd feeling, trying to juxtapose being a Jets fan with what I know about being a Yankee fan, but if any of you all are interested, I wrote about it here:
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I love being a Yankee-Jet fan. The Jets are the yin to the Yankees yang. Where I expect the Yanks to win every game, the Jets I have no expectations. The Jets are my Yankee tranquilizer. Where I expect perfection from the Yanks, the Jets I take what I get. They balance me.
Oy! Thanks, blake. I have a feeling GTLU is going to be very interesting this season!
Diehard Yankees fan who is a Steelers fan. Hate the Jets. Except for SB III, almost no history there if you are a Jets fan. Hoping for a Saints (Brees) vs. Indy (Manning) SB. A SB between one team who started 14=0 vs. the other who started 13-0.
The Jets are losers, just like the Mets… YANKEES FANS ARE GIANTS FANS.. END OF DISCUSSION!!!!!
to mention the Jets and Yankees in the same sentence just makes us look bad!
Mike S…..I am RIGHT with ya….Go Steelers…too bad we found ways to lose 5 out of the 7 games this year that easily could have gone either way. NOT GOOD that our defense CHOKES without TROY….One person, EVEN with how great he is, should NOT define your whole defense. Gotta disagree with ya on the Super Bowl though. Spent some time in San Diego, and Brees chokes when it REALLY matters. He has no answer for the pressure Minny will bring, IMHO. GO STEELERS….next year !
Jets have a good running game, might give Peyton a headache tomorrow. Hope Favre beats Breeze.
it’s beyond me how any non-Vikings fan could root for Favre.
he’s a selfish prima donna jerk
Doreen
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:07 pm
Oy! Thanks, blake. I have a feeling GTLU is going to be very interesting this season!
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Funny, by the end of the 2009 season I started to consider myself an expert on Yankee line ups. You’ll be a natural as the GTLU hostess. You have the personality for it
Thanks Erica
Right now, every time I see a line up in the posts I have visions of nine different tabbed worksheets every day! You know, for when Granderson hits 5th or 7th or if there’s a lefty and someone else plays. That’s just Granderson. Now, if they get Johnny back, and people are thinking of switching Granderson AND Johnson around (AND AROD!!!) depending on the pitcher- whew!
I’ll bet that Brian Cashman doesn’t think about all THIS, does he???!!!!
It would be poetic justice to see the Jets hammer Favre in the ground to win the Super Bowl.
Seeing Favre bawling his eyes out at a presser ……. priceless.
This coming from a tried and true Big Blue fan.
Erica – always OPPC – Bring Johnny Back!!!
January 23rd, 2010 at 6:46 pm
Reading this article now and saw the following paragraph. I heard that song playing on the Sirius Love song station thios morning. Is that some sort of sign???
Boras: Hey Brian, it’s Scott. Johnny came to me the other day and told me he wants to be a Yankee. Remember how all he kept saying last year was how great it was to be a Yankee and how much he loved it? (“Make It Real” by the Jets starts playing in the background.) Well, he meant it.
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I sure hope it’s a sign. I/We need Johnny in Pinstripes!
What are the odds they sit Peyton in the 4th quarter again tomorrow?
Seriously, if Rex thinks they can win, I believe him.
Gotta love Rex Ryan right?
And screw brett favray.
Damon won’t sign for 2 million. The yankees are working with a set budget. I don’t see any way we can sign him
Giants fan. But for some reason I find myself rooting for the Jets.
Maybe it’s a case of P.A. anti-influence factor. The more he ragged on the Jets or Alex or.. the more I liked them.
Go Jets!
“”"”"whatever January 23rd, 2010 at 8:16 pm
The Jets are losers, just like the Mets… YANKEES FANS ARE GIANTS FANS.. END OF DISCUSSION!!!!!
to mention the Jets and Yankees in the same sentence just makes us look bad!”"”"”"
hey look, another idiot
“The yankees are working with a set budget”…..HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !…Hold on….HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!! I am gonna pee my pants !
Yankees payroll is already over $200 million.
The jets will win
Click on my name. It’s a spreadsheet on the Yankees payroll
Saying that the Yankees are working with a set budget is like saying Tiger Woods has a limit to the number of women he will pursue !
gotta love that 4mil we are paying Igawa !
“Damon won’t sign for 2 million. The yankees are working with a set budget. I don’t see any way we can sign him”
The Yankees have the highest differential between revenue and payroll in baseball.
“hey look, another idiot”
If an idiot posts on LoHud, and no one responds, is that person still an idiot?
after Tarheelyhank posts……..crickets sound here…….
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....152u3070wM
Damon BEST option for LF
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:47 pm
“The yankees are working with a set budget”…..HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !…Hold on….HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!! I am gonna pee my pants !
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eric is trying hard to sell himself as Brian Cashman’s Jon Heyman
Diehard Giant fan (and Yankee obviously), I was rooting for the Jets last week because I do not want Rivers to win a super bowl with all the Eli Manning same draft comparisons. This week, I am against the Jets. NFC, I’m indifferent, both teams killed the Giants.
Oh and Damon, please come back, 1 year, $5M plus $2M in reachable options.
Doreen
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:30 pm
Thanks Erica
Right now, every time I see a line up in the posts I have visions of nine different tabbed worksheets every day! You know, for when Granderson hits 5th or 7th or if there’s a lefty and someone else plays. That’s just Granderson. Now, if they get Johnny back, and people are thinking of switching Granderson AND Johnson around (AND AROD!!!) depending on the pitcher- whew! I’ll bet that Brian Cashman doesn’t think about all THIS, does he???!!!!
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My hunch is that Girardi will give clues towards the end of spring training about how he envisions the line up. I can’t imagine you’ll have much fluctuation in the line ups the first week. Most people will probably keep submitting the opening day line up.
Your best bet is to watch what line ups get submitted, and then once you get a feel for which spot changes, you can adjust your tabs accordingly.
Did you originally have the tabs when you were playing around with it? Or did that idea help?
Pie in the face for McAllister for posting that spreadsheet.
Thanks, bro.
“link to said meeting between sabathia damon jeter and arod.”
They were all there for the Softball Tournament Thursday night.
http://www.mjcigolf.com/
Colts 30
Jets 13
Jets didn’t lay a finger on Manning last time out and won’t this time. And this time Manning plays 60 minutes instead of 35.
Either way, ridiculously good season for the Jets.
“…mick
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I love being a Yankee-Jet fan. The Jets are the yin to the Yankees yang. Where I expect the Yanks to win every game, the Jets I have no expectations. The Jets are my Yankee tranquilizer. Where I expect perfection from the Yanks, the Jets I take what I get. They balance me…”
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Good description of the Yankee/Jet fan….
Long time since “Broadway Joe” Namath !!!
PS: Richard Todd. Most pathetic of all the Jet QB’s that played a reasonable amount of games.
“King of the Red Zone Chokers” !!!
i’ve been a long time yankees/jets fan…
im one of those rare breeds i guess…
my dad grew up in flushing, queens and always loved the yankees, because when he was a boy the mets weren’t around yet, and when they did become a team he was already loyal to the yankees. but when the jets came and played in shea stadium (he was about 15 years old at the time) he became a jets fan.
so thats my story of how i inherited becoming a yankees/jets fan.
thankfully he wasnt born a few years later or he may have become a mets fan… yuck.
Go Jets!!!!!!!!!!
Yankees-Giants-Heat-Isles. From LI, whole family Giants fans. Most of family Yankees fans. Live in Florida and Knicks stink. But the Jets played in Shea while the Giants played in YS, so there is the connection.
after this season:
Carl Crawford or Jayson Werth?
“Carl Crawford or Jayson Werth?”
Crawford
Jayson Werth.
Absolutely.
Shocked if Philly lets him get away, though.
“Jets didn’t lay a finger on Manning last time out and won’t this time.”
Guess you’ve never heard of adjustments.
” And this time Manning plays 60 minutes instead of 35. ”
Guess you’ve never heard of injury (although Manning has never been injured)
JLew
Were you a Heat fan during the 90s Knicks-Heat battles?
Erica -
My computer is being strange today, so I haven’t been able to do much posting. At least I’ve been able to read the “news” so fingers crossed on the LFer developments.
Anyway, I did not have tabs in my original method. I like the tabs, though, so I will most likely continue that (your) method.
“Jayson Werth.
Absolutely.
Shocked if Philly lets him get away, though.”
The Yankees have a right handed power bat on the way in Montero. Crawford is an elite defender and gives them a top of the order bat to replace Damon and help set the table as Jeter gets older.
I’m a Yankees (since 1985)/Vikings fan. But I AM a fan of the Jets’ Jim Leonhard, who grew up a few miles from where I live. I WILL be sticking with the Vikings, though, if they end up facing each other in the SB!
yankees fans are naturaly giants ,knicks and rangers fans and the other bad side of town who cant win a championship is mets,nets,jets and islanders hate the jets becuase they rytme with the mets tomorrow they lose 50 -14
Crawford hasn’t been much of the top of the order bat.
.335 career OBP. .323 as a leadoff hitter.
blake
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:27 pm
“Jayson Werth.
Absolutely.
Shocked if Philly lets him get away, though.”
The Yankees have a right handed power bat on the way in Montero. Crawford is an elite defender and gives them a top of the order bat to replace Damon and help set the table as Jeter gets older.
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Reasonable reasons.
OF’ers…
G-son
GGBG
Swish
Montaro
….if Montaro can actually start
G-son
Crawford
GGBG / Swish / Werth = options to start if not ready or falters
From the NY Post article: “Damon, 37, sought a two-year deal worth $20 million from the Yankees . . .”
Make that 36.
Jets and Mets are my 2nd favorite teams, so I’ll root Jets tomorrow for sure.
Yanks-Jets all the way. I’m going to indy tomorrow am. Likewise with most of my friends.. Yankee-Jets fans as well
JETS SUCK
Our lineup is already SO strong, I don’t think Damon replacing Gardner adds many wins.
But Damon adds HUGE depth — if someone’s injured, there’s a big delta between Damon’s bat and the replacement (for injuries to Johnson, Tex, or any OFer).
huge jet and yankee fan represent
The Damon Saga as told by Bill Madden
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....nkees.html
CR9 January 23rd, 2010 at 7:08 pm
Andre Dawson said he’d love to go in the Hall with a Red Sox cap because of how great they were to him (though that cannot happen anyways, it’s still amusing to hear)
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It could happen. The Hall takes the player’s desire into account. It’s not necessarily the deciding factor, but it carries weight. For example, Catfish Hunter requesting going into the Hall without ANY team recognition because he didn’t want to insult the A’s or the Yanks, and Hall went along, even though it didn’t make any baseball sense, since most of Hunter’s Hall of fame credentials were achieved with A’s.
I’ve always joked at least I am a fan of one team that is a winner.
could this be the year that both of my teams win? One can only hope. During the spring and summer i bleed pinstripes. During the winter it is white and green. J-E-T-S jets jets jets!!
Best line of BBWAA dinner: ARod “postseason MVP? What’s next – good guy award?”
2 minutes ago from web
Always worn the Green and White, Sam, don’t forget it! B) I couldn’t have asked for much more from this year!
I’m the normal Yankees and Giants fan, but the Jets are a hell of a team and I’m going for them tomorrow in Indy. Hopefully they can pull it off and head to Miami!
Good luck Jets!
Nice post Rebecca on your blog – I’ve been a Yankees, Knicks and Giants fan since the mid 50′s although I admit to taking great delight in the Namath Jets taking the SuperBowl in 1969. Whenever “my teams” are not involved I hope for a game that ends on the final pitch, snap or shot!.
pat January 23rd, 2010 at 11:20 pm
The Damon Saga as told by Bill Madden
“Tell us your bottom line for what you’re willing to play for,” they said, “and if it’s in the realm of where our budget needs to be we can go to ownership (Hal Steinbrenner) and see if something can be worked out.” But instead of giving them a number, Boras came back with more of his patented “mystery team” hogwash, claiming he had a couple of other offers they were still considering.
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....nkees.html
Boras is really screwing Johnny over. He’s literally costing Damon millions, perhaps $9 million and maybe more.
I’m a Yankees and Jets fan, always have been. I know people who are Giants & Mets fans, I never understood why one was “supposed” to go with the other. I watch the Giants too, but I don’t live & die with every play like the Jets. I guess being a Jets fan gives balance to being a Yankees fan, but when I was growing up the Giants won the Super Bowl, the Jets were OK, and the Yankees were god-awful. So winning wasn’t a prerequisite for my loyalty. I also don’t think there’s a rivalry between Jets and Giants fans. I was thrilled to see the Giants win the Super Bowl (especially against the Patriots), and my Giants-fan friends are rooting hard for the Jets. It’s not like baseball, where Mets fans have to be Yankee haters. As a Yankee fan, I don’t hate the Mets, I am completely indifferent to them. When the Yankees play the Mets in the regular season, to me they might as well be playing the White Sox or the Mariners. It means absolutely nothing. The only time it did was in the World Series.
I wouldn’t mind getting Damon back for next year, but the Yankees shouldn’t break the bank for him obviously. I think $4 mill is the highest they should go, which is pretty reasonable from the yankees point of view given their $2 million budget. That said, Damon was looking for $10 mill or more for multiple years, so if he ends up taking a pity offer, is he going to put in as much effort? I mean he doesn’t seem like the kind of guy who would throw a season, but there’s got to be a sense of bitterness lingering from having to bring down your expectations.
Basically, is Damon the same player on $3 to $4 million one-year contract as he is on a $20 million 2 year contract?
Big Blue all the way!
If Damon doesn’t like the terms, he’s more than welcome to consider the offers from the “mystery teams” that have surfaced.
If Damon agrees to come back to the Yankees on terms he’s not thrilled with, he’ll more than likely be playing with a chip on his shoulder. That “I’ll show you” attitude can be a good thing sometimes.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/s.....-mvp-award
A-Rod chokes up
Who is this Johnny Damon you speak of?
Rich:
It’s nearly 1 AM CST and I just stopped in to see who’s posting and, of course, you’re up. God, aside from all the BS that is posted on this blog, ya gotta think that Damon is gonna have to reluctantly take the Yankees low-ball offer in the end. Cashman has done a great job of gaining contractual leverage in the past 4 seasons where he is rarely in a position where he must overypay for a player (sans AJ).
Carl January 24th, 2010 at 1:29 am
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/s…..-mvp-award
A-Rod chokes up
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Wow! I thought ARod only choked in October.
the writer of this blog is a sports dork.
yankees-giants-rangers
jets-mets-islanders
nuff said!
I’m one of the rare Yankees/Jets fans. Today should be pretty interesting. I still can’t believe they are one win away from the Super Bowl.
Wow this is good reading between the lines. At an Awards diner attended by Basaball players Joe Maurer was there with his father, who spoke about his son leaving the Twins.
http://www.azdailysun/sports/baseball
Article: A-rod chokes up when receiving playoffs MVP award.
It seems Maurer and family know the Yankees want him in NY!
Pujols was there too, and his wheels should be spinning too about his own FA.
Edit diner for dinner.
Saw the Madden piece on Boras’ malpractice in representing Damon. Not sure I completely agree.
While I do think somebody overplayed their hand, I’m not willing to believe for a minute that Damon is such an innocent that he didn’t come to an understanding with Boras early on – like about July of last year – as to how this free agent strategy should go. Believe what you want to believe about Avenging Agent Boras, but he is still the agent/lawyer and as such he advises but does what his client dictates.
The Bobby Abreu story was written last year, everybody saw what happened to Abreu. Damon and Boras didn’t get the memo? Of course they did. So if that info was on the table last year, does anybody really believe that it wasn’t understood by Boras? I refuse to believe that Damon is such a dupe he is essentially being held hostage by his lawyer. Obviously I don’t know anything directly, but common sense tells me that holding Boras 100% responsible is just silly.
murphydog
January 24th, 2010 at 9:30 am
Saw the Madden piece on Boras’ malpractice in representing Damon. Not sure I completely agree.
While I do think somebody overplayed their hand, I’m not willing to believe for a minute that Damon is such an innocent that he didn’t come to an understanding with Boras early on – like about July of last year – as to how this free agent strategy should go. Believe what you want to believe about Avenging Agent Boras, but he is still the agent/lawyer and as such he advises but does what his client dictates.
The Bobby Abreu story was written last year, everybody saw what happened to Abreu. Damon and Boras didn’t get the memo? Of course they did. So if that info was on the table last year, does anybody really believe that it wasn’t understood by Boras? I refuse to believe that Damon is such a dupe he is essentially being held hostage by his lawyer. Obviously I don’t know anything directly, but common sense tells me that holding Boras 100% responsible is just silly.
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Damon should or could have stepped in and dictated the terms that he would agree to return to NY. Rogers, Jones and others have either bypassed or fired Boras in the last couple of years to go to the team they wanted or were willing to accept. I’d add Rodriguez to that, also, if I knew the details of how/why he went to the Steinbrenners.
Murphdog
Boras slapped Damon back to Borasville at seasons end. It was night and day from what Damon said before the season ended, and postseason. I agree Johnny wasn’t an innocent by stander. Damon sould’ve told Boras ” We’ll start off your way, as long as I stay with the Yankees.”
Damon’s last best chance was the 2 year, $10M deal Cashman offered. He should have seen this and told Boras to go with it. He’ll never get the same offer again.
Boras attempts to get the most money for his clients and usually does but he deeply underestimated the market and it’s backfired on him.
I just can’t imagine Damon accepting a 2 mil offer from the Yankees and I certainly don’t expect Cash to confirm the story posted by Heyman (if it’s true).
That said, if we use his list of alternatives then here is my order of preference:
1. Randy Winn
2. Reed Johnson
3. Jim Edmonds
4. Jermaine Dye
I still think that the best move is to sign Tatis and play Gardner in LF. I just believe Fernando is the best option out there for a bench role due to his experience in the position. It is not easy for players who have played everyday to adapt to bench roles (so that eliminates Edmonds, Winn and Dye) and Tatis, while not the defender Reed Johnson is, can play more positions than Johnson and has a little more pop in the bat.
If the Yankees are concerned that Brett Gardner can’t play everyday – then bring in an outfielder on a minor league deal with an invitation (Edmonds or Winn) and if they outplay Gardner send Brett to AAA.
Boras was using his same playbook, to a group of clubs that either refused to deal with him this year or held their ground.
The ONLY gullible fool was John Mozeliak Gm Cardinals, who in his desperation, thought the most important position on his team was an outfielder, and bid against himself, after having Boras by the Cajones.
Boras works for Damon, and he could have stepped in and said sign. 14M was beneath him, so what is 2M?
THIS IS MALPRACTICE ON BORAS’S PART, to take 12M from a client and put him in this spot to receive 2.
Johnny should sign with the Yankees, and sue Boras for 10M the difference, left on the table, that’ll send shock waves throughout baseball.
Forget Randy Winn. He has deteriorated past the point of being even as good as Gardner, Edmonds hasn’t played for two years, Johnson can’t stay any healthier than Nick Johnson and defensively, Bernie Williams would be a better choice than Dye. Find another super scrub like Curch or Tatis to champion their cause.
Edmonds hasn’t played since 2008, he’s 1 yr removed!
number18 January 23rd, 2010 at 9:42 pm
i’ve been a long time yankees/jets fan…
im one of those rare breeds i guess…
my dad grew up in flushing, queens and always loved the yankees, because when he was a boy the mets weren’t around yet, and when they did become a team he was already loyal to the yankees. but when the jets came and played in shea stadium (he was about 15 years old at the time) he became a jets fan.
so thats my story of how i inherited becoming a yankees/jets fan.
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“Inheritance” is the right word. Like religion, most of us inherit who we will root for the rest of our lives. My Dad was born in the Bronx, played ball, so that is why I am a Yank fan. He couldn’t bring himself to root for a team called the NY Football Giants, as he despised the NL Brooklyn Dodgers and NY Giants baseball teams, archrivals they were. So he rooted for the Packers as they were the closest to the Yanks as a dynasty. Then I came along and did my part making him a Jet and Knick fan, sort of reversing the order of things, this time from son to Dad.
’07 Giants = ’09 Jets
run the ball, don’t let QB mess things up, play great defense.
3 road playoff wins.
Jay Johnstone
January 24th, 2010 at 3:06 am
Carl January 24th, 2010 at 1:29 am
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/s…..-mvp-award
A-Rod chokes up
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Wow! I thought ARod only choked in October.
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idiot.
CR8-
I was still too young.