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Girardi: “I don’t see it getting done”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 26, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joe Girardi was in Times Square tonight to accept the Bobby Murcer Award from the Baseball Assistance Team, a group that provides aid to former players, coaches and others in the “baseball family” who need financial, medical or psychological assistance. Before the awards dinner, Girardi spoke for about five minutes.

To Bryan Hoch‘s eternal credit, the first question was about Murcer and the spirit of the evening, but the bulk of the questions were about — you guessed it — Johnny Damon.

“I don’t think anything is completely shut until it’s completely shut,” Girardi said. “We’ve talked about our budget and what we have, and it has to work in everybody’s framework. I don’t see it getting done, but you never say never.”

Obviously the winter hasn’t gone exactly as Damon hoped or expected, but Girardi said Damon’s “spirits were great” when the two talked recently. Girardi said he wouldn’t worry about Damon carrying any frustration into New York should he return at a steep pay cut.

“Players who come back, they want to win,” Girardi said. “I think Johnny wants to play for a while, so it would be in Johnny’s best interest to have a good year and see if he can parlay that into a bigger deal the following year or the next year. I would not have any concerns about Johnny coming back. I think Johnny loves to play and Johnny loves to win, no matter what it takes.”

• Girardi said he wouldn’t rule out the idea of Brett Gardner starting in center field and Curtis Granderson moving to left next season. He said, “I do,” when asked if he saw the two as fairly interchangeable in left and center. “You’ve got to wait to see what happens here,” Girardi said. “If we do sign another bat, another outfielder, and how that adjusts everybody’s playing time. I’m not really locked into anything.”

• I mentioned Bryan Hoch earlier. Tonight he reported this quote from Cashman regarding Damon: “I’m not having any discussions on him. His abilities exceed the money that I have.”

• Today’s trade does not affect the Yankees pursuit of a right-handed hitting outfielder. “No, not necessarily,” Girardi said. “The kid we picked up today, Greg Golson, is kind of what Gardy was. We expect Gardy to have more playing time, and (Golson) gives us another guy like Gardy (off the bench) if we feel there’s a need.”

• On Francisco Cervelli being in line to takeover as the backup catcher: “I think it’s a job that he can do. He played at a very high level for us last year and I think he learned a lot. He got some great experience. I think it’s a job that he can handle.”

• Girardi said Bernie Williams has not talked about wanting to come into spring training as an instructor, but if Williams asked about it, Girardi said he would certainly want to discuss the possibility.

• Girardi took the World Series trophy to his daughter’s school this morning. Has anyone ever topped that for show-and-tell?

• Girardi on accepting an award with Murcer’s name on it: “Bobby worked very hard trying to get the players to give back, and it has come to fruition and the players have been generous. For our team to be the highest giving team in the American League, it says a lot about Bobby but it says a lot about our organization. It’s something the Steinbrenner family has always done, which is giving back. To have Bobby’s name on the award, it feels good.”

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348 Responses to “Girardi: “I don’t see it getting done””

  1. lets go yankees January 26th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    “Dye will get slightly more money guaranteed than Nady did, so anywhere from 3.5- 4 mil base.”

    —————————-

    If anyone was willing to spend that much on an aging corner OF, they would just sign Damon who is a much better baseball player. And as we all know teams are not lining up to pay Damon that… I think Dye would be lucky to get even 3 million at this point

  2. EricNS January 26th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Good bye Johnny – thanks Cash

  3. Peter Peter January 26th, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    Marc Craig is saying the quote was as such ““I’m not having any discussions on him. His abilities exceed the money that I have at this point in time”

    so did Cash say “at this point in time”? because if he did…thats a COMPLETELY different quote.

  4. lets go yankees January 26th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    Brett Gardner out SLG Jermaine Dye in the second half of last season. Quite a feat considering Gardner hit exactly ZERO HR during that time period.

    …Is it obvious how much I do not want any part of Jermaine Dye…

  5. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 26th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    Chad, great post – thanks!

    I don’t like the idea of Granderson moving to LF for Brett Gardner, but then I don’t like the idea of Gardner starting period. However, it looks like he’s going to be doing just that.

  6. Peter Peter January 26th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    I’m sorry the quote was “Johnny’s physical abilities exceed our financial abilities at this point in time.”

  7. Joe from Long Island January 26th, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    Didn’t see the new post –

    stuckey – you’re right in that the team’s profit and loss statement is separate from the YES network; it’s entirely possible that the team by itself lost money over the past few years, and that the Steinbrenners made a lot more by the TV revenues.

    However, the new factor is the new ballpark. I’ve read where the revenues from that, in 2009, wildly exceeded estimates, and more than doubled what the team brought in.

    Because the Yankees are privately held, there’s no way we will ever know the real numbers. But I have to think that the Steinbrenner family is making a ton of money off the Yankees brand.

    Betsy – the disadvantage for Damon going to Oakland and playing in that place is that his numbers will take a hit, and that will put him in a worse negotiating position for next off-season.

  8. Chad Jennings January 26th, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    Hoch and Carig talked to Cashman at different times. There wasn’t a group session with him, and I’m sure Cashman’s phrasing was different in those two conversations.

    I’m not sure adding “at this point of time” changes the meaning of what he said, though. It goes without saying that he’s talking about right now, it’s just that he vocalized that fact once and didn’t vocalize it the other.

  9. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 26th, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    Joe, that’s true, but Damon seems to be about the $$$. If he was more concerned with his #s, he’d come back to the Yankees with a decent offer because the Yankees offer him the best chance to put up the #s he’d want to take into FA again. If Damon came to them with a proposal that was within shouting distance of what the Yankees have budgeted, then I think Cash would probably take it to Hal. However, I don’t see that happening at all.

    One other thing – teams already don’t want Damon now, and he’s coming off a terrific year. The odds are, even as a Yankee in 2010, he wouldn’t be as good. Is he really going to get a much better deal next year?

  10. SJ44 January 26th, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    Why shouldn’t he be “about the money”?

    This is after all his job.

    Add to it the millions he lost in the Stanford Financial scandal, one would think Johnny looking to get the best deal possible isn’t a bad thing.

  11. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Bronx Born
    January 26th, 2010 at 8:39 pm
    GB- Just you mentioning Whitey Ford brings back such memories. He was so accountable. You always felt he was going to win.

    ————————————————————

    Ford was a pleasure to watch pitch. Koufax was raw power. Ford and Spahn were just fun to watch, mainly, I think, because that didn’t have anything that set them apart from normal people. Both were on the smallish side and did nothing but win. In the dictionary, there are two pictures beside the phrase crafty lefty….Ford and Spahn. Ford may have had 300 wins, except that Stengel seldom pitched him against the bad teams. He was paired with the best pitchers in the AL….Feller, Lemon, Pierce, Lary, Chance, Parnell, Bunning, Wynn. The most starts he ever had for Stengel was 33 when most other top starters were getting 38-41. He had 60 relief appearances. Warren Spahn was 25 when he got his first ML win…ended up with 363. Spahn was a war hero and like others, lost 3 years or more due to the war. He was special even at age 43.

  12. dee January 26th, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Okay, so it’s safe to assume no more Johnny I suppose. I wonder what’s next. Reed Johnson, Gomes, Dye, or trade possibility (Willingham, DeJesus for example)? I’ve come to accept the fact that Johnny is leaving. We’ll see who Cash goes after next.

  13. Rose January 26th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Damon/Boras blew it when they turned down the Yankees 2yr 14 million offer.
    Wherever he goes, he will not get anything close to that.

  14. whatever January 26th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    It’s official.. our joke of an owner, HAL.. AKA THE CHEAPO.. has turned the Yankees from World Champs to lucky to make the playoffs by not re-signing Damon.

  15. Frank January 26th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    Joe, that’s true, but Damon seems to be about the $$$

    You’d be deluding yourself if you live life believing “the $$$” isn’t the primary reason free agents sign with the Yankees or any other club.

  16. Nick in SF in Larkspur January 26th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    JERRY: Lemme see if I understand this. In other words, you held out for… less money?

    GEORGE: I was wrong, you were right.

    JERRY: You know, the basic idea of negotiation, as I understand it, is to get your price to go up.

    GEORGE: You’re smart, I’m dumb.

    JERRY: You know, this is how they negotiate in the bizarro world.

  17. m January 26th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    lol, It’s all about the Golson now. No Hoff?

    Anyway, it should be that “Damon’s financial expectations exceed his defensive abilities.”

    Nobody should be judging Damon for looking out for him and his. Anybody else would do the same, especially if they’ve already won 2 rings.

  18. Bronx Born January 26th, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    I hear ya GB. There was something about the way the game was played back then as well as reported on. Growing up I did not really care what Mick did after he left the ballpark.. I think there was once a photo of him in a nightclub in one of the rags. I really could not care less. It is not that I idolized him.. He was the Mick, he played great baseball and he had huge heart playing through pain. That was very important to me… he hustled and played hard. Like I said off the field just was none of my business. I think in some ways all this scrutiny hurts the game. But that’s just my heart talkin.

  19. Joe from Long Island January 26th, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    Looks like Damon has to make a decision. Sounds like Cash could sign somebody right now if he wanted to, so, in a sense, it’s all up to Damon now.

    At this point, I don’t see what Damon is waiting for. What deal is he waiting for, what deal is out there for him? He’s had a couple of months to come to grips with the fact that the market isn’t what he thought it would be.

  20. Nick in SF in Larkspur January 26th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    Joe, I think Oakland would be a great place for Johnny to establish himself for his next contract. If he can make it there, he’ll make it anywhere!

  21. whatever January 26th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    why would anyone want to play in Oakland? THATS A HORRIBLE STADIUM, THEY HAVE NO FANS FOR GODS SAKES! imagine going from this palace in new york to that piece of crap oakland stadium. HAHAHAHAHAH

  22. MTU January 26th, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    Joe-

    hope springs eternal.

    Maybe, he’ll get lucky.

  23. m January 26th, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    maybe one of those guys ready to move is baldelli, on a milb contract or spring invite. don’t think baldelli has a ton of options either.

  24. EricNS January 26th, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    The Yankees on a budget restraint is a joke -it is like eating a huge steak with french fries and drinking scotch and then skipping dessert because you are on a diet – can see if they don’t want JD but this team has plenty of cash.

  25. Joe from Long Island January 26th, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Yes, the words “if” and “hope” – two of the greatest words in the English language.

  26. The Phranchise January 26th, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    Sorry if $5 mill is too much for the Yankees to spend you will definitely be looking at Reed Johnson or a trade. Nady off the injury got a decent deal. And Johnny Damon and what he brings to a club is worth it. They have a ridiculous lineup with him. He is the perfect bridge to signing a Carl Crawford next year. He would be a type A as well. If he has another productive year and there aren’t any fillins, if he signs for $4-5 mill can’t they offer him arbitration and get picks. He would never pick it up again for the money.

    And Johnny D was about the money which is why the Yankees got him instead of Boston. I like him and he is loyal when under his deals, but as a free agent Johnny comes first and I won’t knock him there.

  27. The Phranchise January 26th, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    I also thinking Cashman’s big point with sticking to the budget or at least seem to adds to his bargining strength next year. Let’s face it last year they paid thru the nose for free agents. They came up with the money out of their back pocket for Tex when they were out of cash to spend. Cash is playing hardball. He has to. He has proved he will be flexable, make trades, dump salaries, create flexability. Giving into Damon or someone else would make negoiatiations for players next year difficult. And that includes talks with Jeter.

  28. Frank January 26th, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    For those who think Damon has to come to New York to better his bargaining position for next year, I’d ask what good did having the year he did in New York in ’09 do him?

    His ’09 season was aided considerably by playing in the new stadium. Everyone in baseball knows this and so far it’s gotten him next to nothing. Anyone think that it will improve his bargaining position for 2011 if he hits 24 more homeruns in 2010, with 75% being at NYS? Anyone think the Yankees sign him for 2011 if he hits another 24 homers?

    There’s nothing to suggest having a good year for the Yankees in 2010 has anymore impact on his future than having a decent season somewhere else. He should be going for the money.

  29. Rose January 26th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    “And Johnny D was about the money which is why the Yankees got him instead of Boston. I like him and he is loyal when under his deals, but as a free agent Johnny comes first and I won’t knock him there.”

    Agree. Can’t knock any player for going for the most money they can get. Very few payers give a “discount” for their services.

  30. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    Bronx Born
    January 26th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
    I hear ya GB. There was something about the way the game was played back then as well as reported on. Growing up I did not really care what Mick did after he left the ballpark.. I think there was once a photo of him in a nightclub in one of the rags. I really could not care less. It is not that I idolized him.. He was the Mick, he played great baseball and he had huge heart playing through pain. That was very important to me… he hustled and played hard. Like I said off the field just was none of my business. I think in some ways all this scrutiny hurts the game. But that’s just my heart talkin.

    ————————————————————

    living where I did in Michigan when I was growing up, I was pretty close to Chicago, Detroit and Cleveland and I had a grandfather who loved baseball. He played semi pro baseball with the mining teams around Terre Haute, Indiana and played against Tommy John’s dad and a future Cleveland and St. Louis infielder, Johnny Berandino. Later on, he would get him tickets to the Cleveland games and he’d take me. Berandino later quit baseball and became an actor (Dr. Steve Hardy on General Hospital).

    Grandpa always made sure to get me to the Yankee games, so, I got a chance to see Mantle at his very best. There was just a sound off his bat that was unmistakeable. Ted Williams said that he could be in the clubhouse and knew when Mantle was hitting, and if he had cit down on his swing and not been so stubborn, he’d have hit more homers and would have hit .400 a few times with his speed. Amazing talent.

  31. Joe from Long Island January 26th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    The post from 9:43 is not from me.

  32. Bronx Jeers January 26th, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    “Johnny’s physical abilities exceed our financial abilities at this point in time.”

    —————————————————————

    I knew it.

    It’s those damn superior genetics.

  33. The Phranchise January 26th, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    Frank, can see what you are saying. But leaving the Stadium stats, playing in a pitchers park in Oakland which made Holliday look like a complete bust. More foul territory would make his fielding look that much worse. He would be down in all stats and look like he was done.

    Plus if they money is the same I would assume as a baseball player he still wants to win, so why sign there after what Giambi, his good friend, went thru there last year?

    All signs point to a horrible situation in Oakland for Johnny and all it may do is make him look even older and closer to retirement.

    I am actually surprised another hitters ballpark like the Orioles or something hasn’t creeped up though. Or even KC where he started before they signed Podsednick or Ankiel.

  34. Nick in SF in Larkspur January 26th, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    Too bad that Red Sox post was an imposter prank… I would like to see Johnny swap investment tips with John Henry.

  35. m January 26th, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    Joe,

    What a doosh. I hope Chad & the gang ban people for posting false rumors.

  36. Frank January 26th, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    “And Johnny D was about the money which is why the Yankees got him instead of Boston”

    Everyone’s about the money. Teixeira wanted to be a Yankee, but didn’t sign until Boras could successfully use Boston to get the Yankees to the number they wanted. Arod wanted to stay a Yankee but opted out in hopes of what? That’s right, more money. Posada danced with Omar Minaya to get more money out of the Yankees. It’s a business as much as it’s anything else. They’re all about the money.

  37. Frank January 26th, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    Phranchise:

    If Damon plays for someone else, I can’t imagine it wouldn’t be for more money than the Yankees are willing to pay. If it’s not, I believe he signs with the Yankees.

  38. Bronx Jeers January 26th, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    Actually this is the money quote. From Hoch:

    “His abilities exceed my physical ability to keep my finances afloat.”

    Apparently now the Yanks are paying salaries in coins this season.

  39. SJ44 January 26th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    Joe,

    you have an impersonator! LOL

    imitation is the greatest form of flattery.

    I really hope they go to registration.

    This childish nonsense has gotten old.

  40. Tom in NJ January 26th, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    Most important Peter Gammons tweet ever!:

    Super Bowl pregame meal:a whopper and 3 beers @ South Beach Burger King

    http://twitter.com/pgammo/status/8192596327

  41. Joe from Long Island January 26th, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    SJ44 – yeah, I guess I’ve graduated to the big time.

  42. SJ44 January 26th, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    Remember Joe, it’s lonely at the top! LOL

  43. whatever January 26th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    ugh

  44. Chad Jennings January 26th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    The false “AP is reporting” post was not made by the actual Joe from Long Island.

    Unfortunately, it was made by someone who posts here a lot.

    You know who you are, and you know not to come here with that nonsense. Stop it.

  45. DT - OPPC member January 26th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    I miss Bobby Murcer.

  46. m January 26th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Wow. Well, it wasn’t me. Wasn’t Erica. That leaves…SJ!

  47. Nick in SF in Larkspur January 26th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Chad, I appreciate what you just posted, but by posting that, you sort of shine a light of suspicion on… well, people who post here a lot.

    Now I wish I hadn’t riffed off of the imposter’s post. :(

  48. Tom in NJ January 26th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    As do I, DT.

    He was one of the ones that makes baseball great..

  49. Joe from Long Island January 26th, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    Maybe we can start a club. You know, get together, have meetings, drink good Scotch….

  50. Bronx Jeers January 26th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    Expose the offender!! And then we shall stone him with our tenacious prose!

  51. Bronx Jeers January 26th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    Now I wish I hadn’t riffed off of the imposter’s post. :(

    He who smelt it…dealt it!

  52. whatever January 26th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    there’s an article up on ESPN.com now about Baldelli searching for a home.

    I really don’t want him, there’s just too many questions marks about whether he can stay on the field.

  53. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 26th, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    SJ, you clearly missed my point. Joe was referring to Damon being better off outside of Oakland because Oakland is a horrible hitters park – it will hurt his numbers. My response about Damon being about the $$$ had to do with Joe’s comment. IMO, Damon is more about the $$ than he is about the #s……I’m not sure I get the problem. You yourself have said many times that Damon, if he wants any chance at the HOF, would be best off in NY. Are you denying that? If he wants to take the $$$, that’s fine……..but taking the $$ may come with a price.

  54. Chad Jennings January 26th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    It wasn’t one of the super regulars, but it was someone who’s around enough to know this isn’t the place for that sort of thing. It’s not someone who popped in for the first time, decided to post a Boston rumor, and then left.

    Best I can tell, the poster has never previously done something like that — pretended to be someone else and used that to post false news — and I’d rather give this a chance to fix itself quickly rather than ban someone for doing something stupid.

  55. The Phranchise January 26th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    Baldelli was a disaster for the Sox last year, no reason to think he will be better. feel bad for him, he has all the tools and seems like a good guy. Reed Johnson or Randy Winn for a mimnimal deal makes sense and Yankees can always make a trade if need be during the season to upgrade the position.

  56. Nick in SF in Larkspur January 26th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Or, she who denied it, supplied it?

    I say give the offender a time-out so this foul odor of suspicion can be… um, dissipated!

  57. whatever January 26th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    well, what does damon do best? he fouls off pitches… in oakland.. a foul ball is an out, so it makes sense that he would struggle there.

  58. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 26th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Phranchise, Hal owns the team. Cash’s budget is really Hal’s budget – whatever Cash may or may not think or may or may not want to do, he has to work under the budget guidelines given to him by Hal.

  59. The Phranchise January 26th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    Well I think it is pretty obvious Cash is the one not pushing to get Damon back. He wants a right handed bat, Damon isn’t one. They want to get Gardner in the lineup. It won’t happen if Damon is back. It’s not only Damon’s contract but the luxury tax on top of that. I don’t think Hal would fight him on a few million bucks if the arguement was another championship. I just don’t think Cash thinks they need Damon and sees the team better off without him. And he sticks to the target budget number.

  60. m January 26th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    Well, now we know not to look at AP reports with suspicion. Real news usually gets twittered. When was the last time the AP broke a story?

    Should’ve caught that one!

  61. Nick in SF in Larkspur January 26th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Andy Pettitte does not twitter.

  62. m January 26th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Well, now we know to look at AP *reports* with suspicion

  63. DT - OPPC member January 26th, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    I’m losing track of what is Damon reality and what is Damon rumors.

    Did Cash ever say he offered Damon 2 years @ 14 mil and it was turned down? Did Damon or Boras say that? Was that leaked from a “Yankee official”, or a tweeter/blogger/reporter?

    Sometimes when rumors are repeated enough, they are treated as gospel.

  64. Chip January 26th, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    My best guess is that Gardner goes into spring training as the frontrunner for the starting LF spot but if he has a slow spring and someone from the group of Winfree, Golson, or Hoffmann has a great showing Girardi won’t hesitate to make a switch.

    Golson and Hoffmann are both strong defensive players who could easily handle the duties and Winfree and Golson have a lot more upside in their bats than Gardner does (and they’re all younger than Gardner to boot)

  65. m January 26th, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    If anything, Andy Pettitte twangs.

  66. Bronx Jeers January 26th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    Okay, We’ll forgive.

    “Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.”

    Twain-

  67. DT - OPPC member January 26th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    “Well, now we know to look at AP *reports* with suspicion”

    I’ll add AP to my current AH filter…

  68. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! January 26th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    DT – OPPC member
    January 26th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
    I’m losing track of what is Damon reality and what is Damon rumors.
    ***************

    I lost track of that years ago. LOL

    (Yes, this is the REAL Erica- not some imposter. Couldn’t resist that chance to crack a joke at myself)

  69. Chip January 26th, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Interesting report out of Tampa that the Rays are considering Orlando Hudson and would shift Zobrist back to RF.

    I say that’s interesting because they moved Iwamura to Pittsburgh to free up 2b for Zobrist earlier this winter. I guess that means that maybe the guy they were hoping to get to play RF never showed up?

    Also think the Thome move is an interesting one. For them to have Thome, Kubel and Cuddyer on the field at the same time they are going to have a pretty awful defensive outfield.

    Garland to the Padres makes a good deal of sense. He’ll have a good half season with them and then get moved to someone looking for starting depth for the stretch run.

    As for the Mets; with Garland and Piniero both off the market I think they should make a play for Jarrod Washburn.

  70. timo January 26th, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Davidoff and George King both reported the 2/14 offer being made shortly before the Nick Johnson signing. King attributed it to a source in the Boras camp. Not sure if Davidoff made a specific attribution.

    As far as I know, that is the only offer from Yanks to Damon reported by a professional sportswriter until the discussion of the last few days.

  71. DT - OPPC member January 26th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    ““Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.”
    Twain-”

    AH…. the little heard Shania B-side to Whose Bed Have Your Boots Been Under?”

  72. The Phranchise January 26th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    Chip think Jennings, a rookie, was thought to make the team. He’s another speed guy too. I think Hudson at a discount has a great bat and gold glove type infield. Their infield defense would be pretty sick if he signs. Also I still wouldn’t be surprised if they trade Upton even after a bad year in order to bring the kid up and attempt to resign Carl Crawford.

  73. RalphieD (OPPC) January 26th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    it always fascinates me to see how fans side with a team or a player during free agency….usually fans side with the laundry but damon seems to have this alure to him….i wonder how different the sentiment would be towards johnny if the yankees didnt win the WS..

  74. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! January 26th, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    DT – OPPC member
    January 26th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
    ““Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.”
    Twain-”

    AH…. the little heard Shania B-side to Whose Bed Have Your Boots Been Under?”
    ********************

    Are you going to start singing “Man, I Feel Like a Woman”???

  75. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    Davidoff and King are professional? Since when?

  76. DT - OPPC member January 26th, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    Are you going to start singing “Man, I Feel Like a Woman”???

    No, but you are close. Keeping with the Damon theme –
    “Man, I Throw Like A Woman…..”

    ;-)

  77. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Bring Johnny Back!!!
    January 26th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
    DT – OPPC member
    January 26th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
    ““Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.”
    Twain-”

    AH…. the little heard Shania B-side to Whose Bed Have Your Boots Been Under?”
    ********************

    Are you going to start singing “Man, I Feel Like a Woman”???

    ————————————————————

    Those songs will never top the country classic “Paycheck Woman” by Cledus T. Judd or “Down To Stems And Seeds Again Blues” by Commander Cody or one by New Riders Of The Purple Sage that probably wouldn’t get through the filters (and no swear words)

  78. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    DT – OPPC member
    January 26th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
    Are you going to start singing “Man, I Feel Like a Woman”???

    No, but you are close. Keeping with the Damon theme –
    “Man, I Throw Like A Woman…..”

    ————————————————————

    Is that last song sung by Vic (Johnny) Damone?

  79. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! January 26th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    Side note-

    Why is Eric Clapton now selling phones for T-Mobile?

  80. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! January 26th, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    Good night Yankee people.

    I have decided that if there is no conclusion to the Damon drama by tomorrow night, I am going to organize Damon-Aid to brng him back to the Yankees. Enough is enough!

    Talk to you tomorrow!

  81. george January 26th, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    “…Gardner goes into spring training as the frontrunner for the starting LF spot but if he has a slow spring and someone from the group of Winfree, Golson, or Hoffmann has a great showing Girardi won’t hesitate to make a switch.”

    great, what a stellar bunch. I’d be really excited to this bunch of AAAA players compete for being run out of town by June. Maybe they can sign Winn and dig up Jason Tyner too, so we can set a record for the most mediocre LFs ever.

  82. pat January 26th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    All the commentary now has me intrigued and I want to know what the false rumor was. :sad:

  83. Frank Da Tank January 26th, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    We need to sign another OF why not get Dye we could use his bat. Play him at left and DH him.

  84. Joe January 26th, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    Mark my words, Cashman will be desperately trying to trade for a decent left fielder in July.

  85. Frank Da Tank January 26th, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    It would not be the worst idea having Gardner start at left.

  86. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    george
    January 26th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
    “…Gardner goes into spring training as the frontrunner for the starting LF spot but if he has a slow spring and someone from the group of Winfree, Golson, or Hoffmann has a great showing Girardi won’t hesitate to make a switch.”

    great, what a stellar bunch. I’d be really excited to this bunch of AAAA players compete for being run out of town by June. Maybe they can sign Winn and dig up Jason Tyner too, so we can set a record for the most mediocre LFs ever.

    ————————————————————

    I don’t know what these guys will do, but, they were higher selections than guys like Kelly gruber and George Bell, both Rule 5 picks with ok minor league numbers and the same ages. Bell ended up as an MVP and Gruber was an 2 time all star 3rd baseman, gold glover and $4 in MVP voting.

  87. DT - OPPC member January 26th, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    Starting opening day LF’s in the Yankee glory days.

    1996 – Gerald Williams
    1998 – Chad Curtis
    1999 – Ricky Ledee
    2000 – Shane Spencer

    motto: don’t lose sleep over LF.

  88. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    ***#4 in MVP voting***

  89. DT - OPPC member January 26th, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    wow, I forgot about that.

    GB – do you remember who the Yankee LF was in most of 2001?

  90. Pat M. January 26th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    George ” Taco ” Bell was a good ballplayer….

  91. Frank Da Tank January 26th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    My Wildcats lost to USC (the other USC) You know everytime the Cats win the Final four the Yankees win the series. So lets all cheer for UK in the Final Four.

  92. lets go yankees January 26th, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    2001: Chuck Knoblauch

  93. DT - OPPC member January 26th, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    ding ding ding we have a winner.

    I forgot Knoblauch was sent out to LF when he couldn’t throw anymore. 2001 was his last year as a Yank.

  94. m January 26th, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    pat,

    Has the rumor been removed? Someone impresonating Joe from L.I. posted that the AP was reporting Damon will sign with the Sox. And not the white kind!

  95. thisguy January 26th, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    johnny damon does not fit the yankees anymore.

    reed johnson or rocco baldelli splitting time with gardner makes more sense.

    if the yanks sign damon, they will have the worst defensive outfield in the league.

    at least gardner and grandy can cover a lot of the ground…this is our number 9 hitter…not to mention gardner can improve next year and bat 275 with a solid obp and can even hit in the 2hole if nick the stick gets hurt.

    what the yanks need is cano to take a big step forward to be our number 5 hitter and have jorge be our number 6 hitter…with grandy 7th and swisher 8th.

  96. Frank Da Tank January 26th, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    What if the Yankees put Cano in Left and then sign Orlando Hudson? Remember 3 years ago he was willing to move to OF

  97. jake January 26th, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    Cashman is making a TERRIBLE move..AGAIN!

    He should have resigned Matsui instead of ‘get hurt all the time and stop hitting homeruns’ nick johnson…now he doesnt wanna spend an extra $2 million for damon…probably one the best productive players in the league last year? is he THAT STUIPD?!?

    Lineup: “my way”
    1. Jeter SS
    2. Damon LF
    3. Tex 1b
    4. Arod 3B
    5. Matsui DH
    6. Posada C
    7. Cano 2B
    8. Swisher RF
    9. Granderson CF

    OR

    Lineup: Cash’s way
    1. Jeter SS
    2. Johnson Dh
    3. Tex 1B
    4. Arod
    5. Posada C
    6. Cano 2B
    7. Swisher RF
    8. Granderson CF
    9. Brett Gardner/reed johnson/randy wynn/jamie hoffman LF

  98. pistol pete January 26th, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    Damon doesn’t fit but Gardner does, please. This is absurd. Please don’t embarass yourself comparing Gardner, Johnson, or the rest of the imposters to Damon. He’s not a good fielder but a very very good offensive player. He’s a perfect 2 hole hitter, allows Johnson to bat 6th and not clog the basepaths at the top of the order and allows Granderson to bat 9th between 2 rightys Swisher and Jeter and create a dynamite 9 1 2 combination. A 1000 runs is possible. Sign Johnny, it’s a no brainer.

  99. thisguy January 26th, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    what im saying is stop all being babies. if the yanks lose because gardner is hitting 260 in the 9 hole, im sure they are losing for 18 other reasons before that one.

    what we need is good defense in the outfield. our lineup is strong for 2010, and is set up for the free agent period after the season, as well as montero taking over the DH spot.

    obviously, damon is a very good offensive player, but to act like such babies is sad. the yanks dont need damon. that is the argument i am making. they need a good defensive outfielder to cover ground with grandy.

    johnny damon’s defense, age, and legs say he isn’t going to be the same player next year he was last year.

    the man had to come out of a world series game because of his calves.

  100. pat January 27th, 2010 at 12:06 am

    m

    Thank you. Imagine how upset Heyman would have been if he got scooped on that. :wink:

  101. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 12:13 am

    If they are serious about their budget, it’s ridiculous that they have chosen to waste money on Gaudin and Mitre instead of giving it to Damon.

  102. m January 27th, 2010 at 12:26 am

    (pssst-it’s not about the budget)

    pat,

    Good one!

  103. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 12:29 am

    (pssst-it’s not about the budget)

    Come again.

  104. Nick in SF in Larkspur January 27th, 2010 at 12:29 am

    m, are you saying that Cashman doesn’t want Damon, period, and the rest is for show?

  105. m January 27th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    Could be 2 things:

    1)He could be trying the get a LF at the price he wants
    2)Damon might not be an ideal LF at this point in his career

  106. m January 27th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    Another thing it could be:

    3)People are awake at this hour. You just have to post something controversial to bring out of the wookwork.

    ;)

  107. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    But Gardner, Winn, and Reed Johnson are?

  108. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Pat M.
    January 26th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
    George ” Taco ” Bell was a good ballplayer….

    ————————————————————

    Yep…Bell was one that got away from Philadelphia. Fast bat, and I thought that he might be a 30-30 guy, but, he stopped stealing bases. Gruber was becoming an earlier version of Scott Rolen. Then, he developed bone spurs on his spine and had to quit, but, he turned out to be another great Rule 5 pick from Cleveland.

  109. Nick in SF in Larkspur January 27th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    I see.

  110. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 12:39 am

    George Bell is the sexist who treated Suzyn Waldman like dirt when she was a reporter, and it took Jesse Barfield to come to her defense. The man is slime.

  111. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 12:39 am

    Frank Da Tank
    January 26th, 2010 at 11:37 pm
    What if the Yankees put Cano in Left and then sign Orlando Hudson? Remember 3 years ago he was willing to move to OF

    ————————————————————

    If they aren’t willing to re-sign Damon for more than 4 Mil, they certainly aren’t signing Hudson for the 9 mil he’s asking.

  112. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 12:41 am

    Rich in NJ
    January 27th, 2010 at 12:39 am
    George Bell is the sexist who treated Suzyn Waldman like dirt when she was a reporter, and it took Jesse Barfield to come to her defense. The man is slime.

    ————————————————————

    He was still a very good ball player and that’s the only reason he was mentioned.

  113. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    I was just offering context.

  114. m January 27th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    lol. Was just listening to some old UB40, and what track comes up? “Johnny Too Bad”.

    A few things jumped out:

    -”Where you gonna run to?”
    -”You’re too bad.”
    -”You double-cross the man, according to plan”

  115. timo January 27th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    GreenBeret7
    January 26th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
    Davidoff and King are professional? Since when?

    __________________________________________

    Well they draw a salary for their efforts; beyond that I need not go.

  116. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 1:20 am

    I think Ken Davidoff is good reporter. George King, not so much.

  117. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 1:25 am

    I’m out. GN.

  118. stuckey January 27th, 2010 at 1:26 am

    “stuckey – you’re right in that the team’s profit and loss statement is separate from the YES network; it’s entirely possible that the team by itself lost money over the past few years, and that the Steinbrenners made a lot more by the TV revenues.”

    Possible? Sure. Probable? Who knows. I know for certain neither your or I KNOW the answer to that.]

    “However, the new factor is the new ballpark. I’ve read where the revenues from that, in 2009, wildly exceeded estimates, and more than doubled what the team brought in.”

    But revenues of course only tell half the story. Expenses is the other half.

    And you cannot write off 6 years of operating losses and say that might not be a factor in budgetary concerns.

    Here is the problem with the “Hal has set an arbitrary budget” theory – there is no internal logic to it other than the cheap, easy, explanation by way of unfounded criticism.

    What does any of us know about Hal Steinbrenner’s history or motivation to suggest he’s “quibbling” solely to put more money in the organization’s pockets other than its the easy shot to take outta frustration.

    And worse, the people most prone to advancing the theory are the same ones who also argue the organization is making money hand-over fist, which makes it MORE logical that the organization would continue to spend to keep the gravy train rolling.

    I think anyone at least willing to think about this critically should at least consider the strong possibility that IF a budget exists, it exists for good reason.

  119. stuckey January 27th, 2010 at 1:38 am

    “A 1000 runs is possible.”

    Yankees won the division by 8 games and qualified for the postseason by 16 games by scoring 915 runs, 33 more than the next closest team.

    Explain to me the virtue of being about to score 1000 runs please?

  120. Carl January 27th, 2010 at 1:45 am

    http://www.newsok.com/berry-tr.....tory_title

    CC Talks about playing in NY after receiving his Warren Spahn award.

  121. Carl January 27th, 2010 at 1:47 am

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....04148.html

    Here’s more talking about his Teammates.

  122. m January 27th, 2010 at 1:54 am

    CC won another Warren Spahn award? Strange. Nick didn’t mention it. :P

  123. m January 27th, 2010 at 1:57 am

    What?! :mad:

    And if you happen to survive the New York Post and Prince Hank, the fans, the most knowledgeable and vile in sport, await.

    Read more: http://www.newsok.com/berry-tr.....z0dnFmY1Rt

  124. james January 27th, 2010 at 2:41 am

    It’s official Johnny Damon still hasn’t signed anywhere

  125. Drive 4- 5 January 27th, 2010 at 5:41 am

    Maybe putting 10,000 fewer fannies in the seats every game is having an effect on the Yankees bottom line. If so, I’m glad. As a fan that’s attended a lot of games, the old Stadium was a far better place to watch a ball game and it respected the Yankees’ tradition far more than the restauarant theme park they play in now. Perhaps their current condition is the Ghosts’ form of payback. Monument Cave??

    Or maybe it’s only a dream and the team’s financial state is tied to the worst economy since the Depression. I can dream, can’t I?

  126. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 6:00 am

    Or, maybe they don’t want to pay a 37 year old OF 10 million per year.

    Just because fans want Johnny to play for a certain amount of money doesn’t mean he wants to.

    Having a budget isn’t a bad thing. In fact, it’s what every successful business possesses.

  127. m1kew January 27th, 2010 at 6:26 am

    Carl, m and others – thanks a lot for the links you all provide. Reading real Yankee news makes the winter a little shorter and ST a little closer.

  128. wallypip January 27th, 2010 at 7:30 am

    I think Dye could be the bargain of the off-season. I don’t think he’s a fit for the Yankees, but people are really overstating his slump from last year. He was nursing some injury and his BABIP indicates that he was also unlucky. If a team with DH ABs signs him, I’d anticipate him to be a legitimate middle of the order slugger.

    I wouldn’t be a bit surprised to see a bottom feeder like KC sign him with the intention of spinning him off to a contender mid season.

  129. Paco Dooley January 27th, 2010 at 7:41 am

    “Having a budget isn’t a bad thing. In fact, it’s what every successful business possesses.”

    Having a budget also means that the team can maintain some payroll flexibility to allow them to pick up quality players cash-dump trades and to sign future high quality free agents. A team that overpays for a lot of players (like the Knicks, and I know they have a salary cap) get stuck with no flexibility that can lead to prolonged down periods. I like the fact that Cashman seems to be avoiding that scenario.

  130. blake January 27th, 2010 at 7:51 am

    Stuckey,
    You may be right but I tend to believe the budget is set for two reasons: 1) PR- the Yankees don’t like then “buying championships” 2) so that they don’t get killed in the next Collective bargaining agreement with new rules and penalties. The Yanks seem tired of giving other teams money and who can blame them. If they could invest their money in the team alone then maybe it wouldn’t matter but since the more they spend the more they have to give away, perhaps they have just decided to keep it for themselves.

  131. Don Capone January 27th, 2010 at 8:15 am

    All of these denials that Damon will come back can only mean one thing: Damon is coming back!!

  132. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 8:24 am

    A few thoughts:

    1. MLB Trade Rumors suggests that the Giants are looking to move LF Fred Lewis. Lewis is 29, had a strong season in 2008, took a bit of a step back in 2009. He’s covered a big outfield in San Fran so Yankee Stadium wouldn’t be a stretch for him. Any interest?

    2. To the person who posted last night that Cashman is going to be scrambling for a LF in July if he doesn’t bring back Damon: Why? As of right now, whomever is playing LF for the Yankees is going to bat in the 9 spot. How much offense do you really need from there? A Fred Lewis, Randy Winn, Rocco Baldelli type could easily handle that level of offensive responsibility.

    3. I love irony, but hate hypocracy. I’ve taken a lot of good natured and not so good natured ribbing from some people on here for suggesting that the Yankees pick up, either via small trades, minor league or small contracts, certain players who have been non-tendered or fallen out of favor by other teams. It has been dubbed an “obsession with subpar players” (Randy Winn, Ryan Church, David DeJesus) and that’s all well and good. I’ve read from these people that “players who are designated for assignment or non-tendered or released by other teams have no place on the Yankees.” Again, all well and good.

    However, I have to laugh when some of the same people throwing those barbs my way go gaga over the Yankees picking up a career minor leaguer who was designated for assignment by the Texas Rangers and has shown even less in the majors than any of the people I have suggested as depth options.

    I have no problem with the move, it’s exactly the type of move I’ve been advocating for – a no risk move that might yield some reward for the club if the Yankees can catch lightning in a bottle. Just saying, before mocking the very notion of David DeJesus – ask yourself, has Greg Golson accomplished anything that would make you think he’s better than DeJesus?

  133. matt January 27th, 2010 at 8:26 am

    Thome for $1.5M…Damon signs w/ NYY in 48 hours

  134. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 8:29 am

    Matt –

    There’s no chance. He’s not going to sign with the Yankees at all, much less in the next couple of days.

    Teams that I think are better fits for Damon:
    1. Baltimore
    2. Cleveland – only if LaPorta plays at 1b
    3. San Fran
    4. Detroit
    5. ‘Zona

  135. Crawdaddy January 27th, 2010 at 8:30 am

    What makes you think Detroit can afford him when they’re already at their 2009 payroll? The same might applie to other organizations too. You have to look at their 2010 payroll versus what they finished at in 2009.

  136. Frank January 27th, 2010 at 8:35 am

    “Thome for $1.5M…Damon signs w/ NYY in 48 hours”

    Thome’s getting $1.5M to be a PH and occasional DH. Don’t think there’s any correlation between Thome’s deal and how things play out with Damon.

  137. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 8:39 am

    Craw -

    I think that when teams talk about their budgets they short change by a couple of million that the GMs want to keep in reserve in the event that they want to add a player during the season. For example, I believe that the reason Cash is only willing to spend 2 mil on LF is so that he can have some money in reserve for July 31 if he wants to add some bench help for the stretch run.

    Having said that, if I’m Dombrowski in Detroit I have to look at the fact that with the winter winding down, none of the other teams in the division have made a big move and so even with the subtractions of Granderson and Jackson I’ve still got a chance to get a playoff spot this season. So maybe I’m willing to dip into that reserve to add a player like Damon at 3 or 4 mil to play LF/DH and be my leadoff hitter – it would also let me take some of the pressure off of Austin Jackson who is currently slated to be their leadoff hitter.

  138. Captain Chaos January 27th, 2010 at 8:47 am

    I really don’t believe that the offensive difference will really be that great that we need Damon. I think the Defense really outweighs this discussion when you are talking dollars and cents. I read this morning about a $6 mil offer. Is that additional offense really worth that… Gardner did hit .272 last year and likely will go up, I don’t think that is a bad person to have in the 9th hole.

    I also like the Golson trade, always good to have inexpensive speed at your finger tips. We’ll see if the coaching staff can coax the raw talent out of this kid!! I’ll be watching.

  139. matt January 27th, 2010 at 8:47 am

    I’d be very surprised if NYY didn’t match any offer up to $5M for Damon…there are adjustments that can be made to the 40 man roster to save additional $

  140. 86w183 January 27th, 2010 at 8:47 am

    I would scratch any NL team off a list for Damon. His defense is getting worse and that’s starting from a high of mediocre. He needs to be somewhere where he can DH frequently… but if the Braves want to sign him maybe the Yanks can re-acquire Melky.

    Chip, the problem with DeJesus is he isn’t cheap ($ 4.7 M) and he hits left handed. If the Yanks add anyone it ought to be a RH bat.

    The Yanks adhering to a budget is a good thing fiscally and competitively. Making $$$ a factor in personnel decisions keeps you from doing trades like Lilly for Weaver…. Weaver for Brown… and Vasquez for Randy Johnson.

    None of those trades worked out competitively OR fiscally. Hal is doing an excellent job of targeting the Yanks’ substantial resources without handicapping them long term.

  141. Vito January 27th, 2010 at 8:47 am

    games, games, games…and the net result is that NYY get Damon for what they are willing to pay for him. Don’t be surprised of you see Gaudin, who is really NOT essential in ANY way to this team, go away in basically the same “move”.

  142. Jeter's Edge - New Guys, we need registered names and an edit button! January 27th, 2010 at 8:53 am

    ‘Don’t hate the player, hate the game,” ha! had to say it!

  143. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Back Johnny!!!! January 27th, 2010 at 8:53 am

    I can’t stand the Johnny Damon highs and lows anymore. I am boycotting everything (for now).

    Note to Brian Cashman: We are so through if you do not re-sign Johnny.

    I’ll check back in later

  144. Frank January 27th, 2010 at 8:53 am

    I could see Detroit possibly biting the bullet on Damon for a few reasons:

    1) C. Guillen’s inevitable injury
    2) Insurance against A. Jackson not quite being ready
    3) To ensure M. Ordonez doesn’t get near 567 plate appearances.

    It would clearly put them up over last year’s payroll, but they’ve got so much coming off the books next year, most of it dead or deadish money (Bonderman, Robertson, Willis, Laird, etc.), that they could probably get away with it if they wanted to.

  145. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Chip, the problem with DeJesus is he isn’t cheap ($ 4.7 M) and he hits left handed. If the Yanks add anyone it ought to be a RH bat.

    All valid points but:

    1. The Yankees could offset some of that salary based on what they send back to KC. If, for example, the package going to KC was Aceves, Gardner and Miranda – then the salaries would be about a wash.

    2. If you look at DeJesus’s splits; he hits LHP pretty well for a left handed hitter.

    Now, having said that – I don’t believe that the Yankees are going to trade for DeJesus at this point. I think they’re fine using spring training to find a LF out of the group of Gardner, Hoffmann, Winfree, Golston, Weber, Gorecki…etc. I was using him as an example of a guy I have been ripped for advocating the team bring in.

    Currently I feel that if the one position the Yankees have open is a RH bat off their bench I think they would be wise to investigate Fernando Tatis, a player who has experience and success in a bench role and can back up all four corners on the diamond and provide a little power.

  146. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 8:56 am

    Sorry – Golson – not Golston

  147. Erin January 27th, 2010 at 8:57 am

    Still no Damon news??? I was so sure today would be the day.

  148. pat January 27th, 2010 at 9:03 am

    Erica

    I’ve been trying to post a link with Johnny Damon pictures for you but the filter won’t allow it.

    Do a search for Michael Jordan and Softball to see them.

  149. Bret the Hitman January 27th, 2010 at 9:06 am

    Perhaps the Yankees really like Gardner alot more than we think and project him to be a regular. If that’s the case than they’re truly looking for a RH bench player who would only be called upon to start on occasion. If that player is Dye, they’d have 30 HR potential on the bench. Dye would be the best hitter off the bench since Ruben Sierra. Between Hoffman, Gardner and Dye, the Yankees have affordable defense, speed and power all rolled into the one supposed weak spot in the lineup.

  150. Crawdaddy January 27th, 2010 at 9:08 am

    “Having said that, if I’m Dombrowski in Detroit I have to look at the fact that with the winter winding down, none of the other teams in the division have made a big move and so even with the subtractions of Granderson and Jackson I’ve still got a chance to get a playoff spot this season. So maybe I’m willing to dip into that reserve to add a player like Damon at 3 or 4 mil to play LF/DH and be my leadoff hitter – it would also let me take some of the pressure off of Austin Jackson who is currently slated to be their leadoff hitter.”

    Chip,

    Let me explain it one more time. The Tigers are going to exceed their 2009 payroll budget without Damon. They lost money last year and living here in Michigan like I do, I think their attendance is going to decrease again as unemployment hasn’t improved in Michigan.

  151. IrishCarBomb January 27th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    I think Damon’s last scene from the World Series says it all. Him limping around during the celebration.

    2 words for people who are upset about not keeping Matsui and potentially Damon: MIKE LOWELL

    Lowell wins the WS MVP with Boston, they lock him for 3 years and look how that has turned out.

    I was happy with alot of Damons big hits last season, but I think it’s time to move on.

  152. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Back Johnny!!!! January 27th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Here’s a great article from the Post by Joel Sherman this morning which basically makes all of my arguments for me.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....acQVZsP1XL

    Now I shall resume my boycott.

  153. Drive 4-5 January 27th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    “I would scratch any NL team off a list for Damon. His defense is getting worse and that’s starting from a high of mediocre. He needs to be somewhere where he can DH frequently… but if the Braves want to sign him maybe the Yanks can re-acquire Melky.”

    I would trade Gardner for Melky in a heartbeat.

  154. Bret the Hitman January 27th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    I would trade Gardner for Melky in a heartbeat.

    As would I but something tells me the Braves would shoot down that proposal in a heartbeat.

  155. Melky January 27th, 2010 at 9:15 am

    Ya don’t know what ya got until it’s gone.

  156. Rick January 27th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    Cashman needs to go with a known commodity for LF. With only less than 35 exhibition games in spring training, Girardi can’t possibly give the quality at bats to the likes of Hoffman, Winfree, Golston, Weber, Gorecki, or Curtis to see what they can really bring. Teams start to see better pitching after March 20th which doesn’t allow enough time.
    By the end of the 1st week in February, Cashman will have somebody in the fold, Damon or no Damon.

  157. Erin January 27th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    New post

  158. Go Johnny ! January 27th, 2010 at 9:36 am

    Damon’s best and only offer was from the Yankees and he rejected it, that’s when I knew he was going down the wrong road. So many times I hoped he would bypass Boras, and yet he hasn’t.
    When you listen to Boras he hocks Damon’s offensive stats, but completely eliminates his defensive stats. It’s always what he does at the plate or on base.

  159. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    Paco hit the nail on the head. They want some mid-season payroll flexibility. Its why they are sticking to their guns with Damon and not tying up all their money prior to ST.

    Also, consider one other point. This entire off-season, not a single team has offered Damon anything close to what he’s asking (stil 10 million for one year) from the Yankees.

    He still has no current offers on the table. None. That’s hard to believe but, at least as of last night, its true.

    Scott has talked all winter about “mystery teams”. Yet, none have surfaced and he’s not signing for anything close to what they are asking for from the Yankees.

    In the end, Johnny needs to think for Johnny.

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