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Yankees add OF Greg Golson

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 26, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees just confirmed in a press release that they have traded for outfielder Greg Golson.

The New York Yankees today acquired outfielder Greg Golson from the Texas Rangers in exchange for minor league infielder Mitch Hilligoss.

Golson, 24, batted .258 (118-for-457) with 27 extra-base hits and 40 RBI in 123 games with Triple-A Oklahoma City in 2009. He is a .263 (674-for-2,558) career minor league hitter with 120 doubles, 36 triples, 48 home runs and 265 RBI in 634 combined games in the Philadelphia Phillies and Rangers minor league systems. Originally selected by Philadelphia in the first round of the 2004 First-Year Player Draft, he has appeared in seven Major League games, six with Philadelphia in 2008 and one with Texas in 2009, going hitless in seven at-bats and scoring two runs.

Prior to the 2009 season, Baseball America named the Austin, Tex., native as the “Best Athlete,” “Fastest Baserunner” and “Best Outfield Arm” in the Texas organization.

Hilligoss, 24, batted .233 (38-for-163) with seven doubles, two triples and 14 RBI in 51 games with Single-A Tampa in 2009. He is a .275 (387-for-1,406) career minor league hitter with seven home runs and 134 RBI in 367 games. He was selected by the Yankees in the sixth round of the 2006 First-Year Player Draft.

Golson will be added to the Yankees’ 40-man roster, which now stands at 39 players.

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From Baseball America’s Prospect Handbook: “(Golson) has progressed slowly, showing several premium tools but vexing Philadelpiha with his lack of feel for the game… Golson immediately became the best athlete in a Rangers system stocked with good athletes. His plus-plus speed plays very well in center field where he’s a plus defender with excellent range and instincts and a strong arm. Golson also has average power despire a poor contact rate.”

I was covering the Phillies system when they took Golson in the first round of the 2004 draft. He was considered one of the best athletes available, and he made a nice debut in rookie ball, but he didn’t hit above .264 until his third full season. The defense and the speed were as expected, but Golson struck out a ton. He seemed to put some things in order with Double-A Reading in 2008 when he hit .282/.333/.435 – it was the second year in a row he’d shown progress — but after his trade to Texas, Golson fell back to .258/.299/.344 with Triple-A Oklahoma City.

Golson is still just 24 years old, and this is clearly a case of the Yankees hoping the results catch up to the tools. The outfield is very thin in the upper levels of the minor league system, so it makes sense to add a guy like Golson to the mix (especially at the cost of a guy like Hilligoss, who had fallen almost completely off the map).

Because Golson was DFA last week, but traded before he cleared waivers, the Yankees had no choice but to add him to the 40-man roster. That said, he has options remaining, so he’ll most likely open the season in Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. Golson, Colin Curtis, David Winfree, Reid Gorecki and Jon Weber… that’s a fun-to-follow group for the Triple-A outfield. Pretty young and athletic.

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170 Responses to “Yankees add OF Greg Golson”

  1. Mark L. January 26th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Hey Chad, any thoughts on Golson from his days as a Philly prospect? Seems like a Corey Patterson – Carlos Gomez wannabe

  2. Irabu's Son January 26th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    Poor dude will be stashed away in Scranton for eternity.

  3. Andrew January 26th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    Makes sense, add to the outfield depth chart, plus he is some insurance if Jamie Hoffmann doesn’t stick on the ML roster and they return him to LA.

  4. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Back Johnny!!!! January 26th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    S.o.S.”We just kept our mouth shut and went to work this week”
    January 26th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
    that was me, btw. don’t worry-it happens all the time

    ========

    My bad Erin. I assumed it was the Erica the St%@&*%. Im waiting for that petition from Erica to come out soon.

    *******************

    Dude, you are so busted.

  5. m1kew January 26th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    Chad – does he HAVE to be added to the 40 man roster?

  6. pat January 26th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    Important stuff first. Does he know how to bunt?

  7. Bronx Jeers January 26th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    Golson looks like The Candyman.

    http://patchristin.com/GregGolson.jpg

  8. upstate kate January 26th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    one spot left for Johnny :)

  9. Erin January 26th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Bronx Jeers
    January 26th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
    Golson looks like The Candyman.

    http://patchristin.com/GregGolson.jpg

    **********************
    LOL

  10. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 26th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    “Heyman and Olney — suggest the A’s are still in on Damon, even after signing Sheets”
    ——————————————————-

    lol

  11. Mo Money January 26th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Golson puts us over the top.
    Now we don’t even need A-rod or Tex o_0

  12. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    I had hoped that Hilligoss would keep improving after his first year at Charleston. Hit in 39 games straight and very fast. It has just never worked out, though.

  13. m January 26th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    “Best Outfield Arm”!

  14. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Golson had to be added to the 40 man roster or try passing him through waivers. He’s out of options.

  15. NYYROC January 26th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Golston “fastest in Texas”. GGBG, fastest NYY. Let’s have a race!

  16. S.o.S."We just kept our mouth shut and went to work this week" January 26th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Dude, you are so busted.

    ========

    Uhhh what the problem is? Must have your national treasure decoder out. Like the famous line says “you only hear what they want you to hear”.

  17. DaSaint007 January 26th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    Greg Golson is organizational depth/restocking of the system. Particularly for when Hoffmann is returned to LA.

    Still 2 moves to make before ST.

  18. S.o.S."We just kept our mouth shut and went to work this week" January 26th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    GB7,
    I remember not long ago, alot of people on this board talking highly about hilligos. What do you think went wrong? Thoughts on the trade?

  19. m January 26th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    Some ol’ geezer wanted the Yankees to take a look at Golson when he was designated…

    Who could that be?

  20. Abe Peterham January 26th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    “he looks like the Candy Man”

    First I thought you meant John Candelaria.hah
    http://tinyurl.com/yk5j695

  21. dispatcher307 January 26th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    Look, Scranton now has a replacement for Shelly Duncan.

  22. FatAdam January 26th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    Watch out AL East… Greg Golson is here!

  23. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Back Johnny!!!! January 26th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    S.o.S.”We just kept our mouth shut and went to work this week”

    Uhhh what the problem is? Must have your national treasure decoder out. Like the famous line says “you only hear what they want you to hear”.

    *********************

    Funny, my boss tells me I only hear what I want to hear all of the time :-)

  24. Blackaccord January 26th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    Why Cash Why???

  25. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 26th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    “I had hoped that Hilligoss would keep improving after his first year at Charleston. Hit in 39 games straight and very fast. It has just never worked out, though”
    ————————————————–

    i know. He was looking like Joe DiMaggio junior, for a minute.

    was rooting for him too

  26. randy l. January 26th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    “Oh, Sweet Jesus. Place don’t say that you did your own proof-reading yourself before sending it to press.”

    gb7-

    that’s not very nice considering i dedicated the book to you.

    i said ” Without GreenBeret7′s help in making me understand that spelling is overrated , this book would have never been written”.

  27. Bret the Hitman January 26th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    So it’s true Cashman has been talking to Texas obviously and Nelson Cruz came up.

  28. GeorgeInJax January 26th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    I like the idea of mixing in youth & speed onto the roster.
    If we don’t incrementally add youth we’ll wake up one day & find a tired old team that can’t compete.
    It’s a really nice mix now.
    In Golson we have a late inning defensive replacement for Swish and still have a OF on the bench.
    We’re going to have an awesome defensive team this year!

  29. Rick January 26th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Adding Greg Golson is just another jab at Scott Boras who has watched the bottom fall out on his mystery teams.
    Other GM’s are privately rooting for Cashman to succeed with his Damon posture as leverage of how to deal with Boras clients in the future.

  30. Abe Peterham January 26th, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    No Yank mimicamps? Mets doin it…

  31. GeorgeInJax January 26th, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    now that we have a couple of speedsters, can’t we bring in someone like Rickey Henderson to spring training to tutor them on stealing bases.

  32. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    S.o.S.”We just kept our mouth shut and went to work this week”
    January 26th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
    GB7,
    I remember not long ago, alot of people on this board talking highly about hilligos. What do you think went wrong? Thoughts on the trade?

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    I don’t know what happened with Hilligoss and Seth Fortenberry. Hilligoss had a beautiful swing…line drives into the gaps and then steal second or third. Defense was an issue. Fortenberry had outstanding line drive power and speed. Great defense at all three outfield spots. They just regressed to next to nothing.

  33. SJ44 January 26th, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Goldton has nothing to do with Boras.

    Scranton needs an OF and he fills a need.

    He has no impact on any Damon discussions.

  34. Shame Spencer January 26th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    No Yank mimicamps? Mets doin it…

    ——

    we try to stay away from anything the mets do..

  35. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    randy l.
    January 26th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
    “Oh, Sweet Jesus. Place don’t say that you did your own proof-reading yourself before sending it to press.”

    gb7-

    that’s not very nice considering i dedicated the book to you.

    i said ” Without GreenBeret7’s help in making me understand that spelling is overrated , this book would have never been written”.

    ————————————————————

    LMAO. I never imagined that you could be so kind, Randy. How are we splitting the sales of the books?

    How are things going up in the icebox, today?

  36. Abe Peterham January 26th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Good point Shame!

  37. matt January 26th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    Damon signs in 72 hours — over/under?

  38. gayle January 26th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Thought this was interesting Twitter from Joel Sherman re Nady and what Nady/Boras were asking from Yankees

    Last offer by Nady/Boras to #Yankees was $5M, signed with #Cubs at $3.3M. Yanks would have at least considered at those dollars

  39. DaSaint007 January 26th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    As I said…NL discount. AL East (esp. Yankee) premium.

  40. Bret the Hitman January 26th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    Last offer by Nady/Boras to #Yankees was $5M, signed with #Cubs at $3.3M. Yanks would have at least considered at those dollars

    Sounds like Boras purposely kept Nady away from the Yankees.

  41. S.o.S."We just kept our mouth shut and went to work this week" January 26th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    He was looking like Joe DiMaggio junior, for a minute.

    =========

    I was thinking more like Ventura.

  42. Frank January 26th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    “So it’s true Cashman has been talking to Texas obviously and Nelson Cruz came up.”

    Hard to believe Hilligoss wasn’t enough.

    I’d guess Cruz’s name came up, but I would think the names Texas uttered as possible return put a quick end to that.

  43. Chad Jennings January 26th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Just updated the post with some more info on Golson.

    He’s not out of options, but he had to be added to the 40-man because the Yankees traded for him before he cleared waivers (which probably would not have happened). Given the lack of outfield depth in the upper levels of the system — and given the relatively low cost — it seems like a nice addition for the Yankees. If it doesn’t work out, no harm done, but if he lives up to his tools they could have an interesting player in the mix.

  44. jpb1973 January 26th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Is this guy related to Yankee minor leaguer, Judson Golson? I think Judson Golson played with the GCL Yankees.

  45. Bronx Jeers January 26th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Yeah I saw some film from the Mets mini camp on this mornings news.

    Santana and Ollie Perez were there. I think Santana threw off a mound.

    It was good to see something going on even if it was just the Mets. I’d like to see them do better.

    It was like you couldn’t even talk to Mets fans last season. Many had no interest in baseball.

  46. Chip January 26th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    I don’t have exactly high hopes for Golson, but right now I assume that the Yankees are hoping that between him and Winfree one of them might be a late bloomer that catches fire with the club.

  47. Chad Jennings January 26th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    By the way, I just looked through some year-by-year minor league splits for Golson and they’re almost non-existent. Aside from his time in the Arizona Fall League, he’s never shown a tendency to hit left-handers any better than he hits right-handers.

  48. randyhater January 26th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    “Thought this was interesting Twitter from Joel Sherman re Nady and what Nady/Boras were asking from Yankees

    Last offer by Nady/Boras to #Yankees was $5M, signed with #Cubs at $3.3M. Yanks would have at least considered at those dollars.”

    That is interesting, Gayle. Imagine Boras had put Nady with us at 5M and thereby forced JD to take 3-4M to play in a cesspool like Oakland?

  49. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    Chad Jennings
    January 26th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
    Just updated the post with some more info on Golson.

    He’s not out of options, but he had to be added to the 40-man because the Yankees traded for him before he cleared waivers (which probably would not have happened). Given the lack of outfield depth in the upper levels of the system — and given the relatively low cost — it seems like a nice addition for the Yankees. If it doesn’t work out, no harm done, but if he lives up to his tools they could have an interesting player in the mix.

    ————————————————————

    Thanks for the info, Chad. I figured after 6 years he’d be out of options.

  50. Chip January 26th, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    and I like the theory of what the Yankees are doing by adding these fallen star prospects. If someone from the group of Golson, Winfree, Hoffmann, etc…performs well this spring and Gardner does not, I don’t think the Yankees would hesitate to move Gardner out of LF and play one of these guys.

  51. randy l. January 26th, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    ” I never imagined that you could be so kind, Randy. How are we splitting the sales of the books?”

    the good news for you is 50/ 50.

    the bad news is 50% of zero isn’t a very big number.

  52. ArtieA January 26th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    I guess in this deal both teams got something for virtually nothing. Seem like a decent move. If nothing else this guy looks like he can pinch run, catch and throw the ball. We might see this fellow before the season is over.

  53. Shame Spencer January 26th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Bronx Jeers -

    As a yankee fan, it may be wrong, but i always root for the mets. i cant help it, i’m ny through and through (as long as we arent playing them of course). but its been pretty painful to watch them. never in my life has it hurt so bad to watch a team during the OFF SEASON! i cant think of one move they’ve made that has actually helped their team. i feel bad for my friends that are fans.. theyve given up on the season before its even begun. how do you NOT go after lackey if youre the mets?? sometimes i think any random yankee fan could run that organization better than the wilpons.

  54. GrouchoNYY January 26th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Beware of a Mike Humphries clone.
    I doubt that a strong spring from any of these costs Gardner the starting job (save injury).

    Gardner’s biggest competition is still the mysterious left fielder to be named at a later time.

  55. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 26th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Okay, this is strictly a minor league deal.

    I am not convinced that the Yankees would be offering Damon $2 million. I maintain that they only people who know waht the precise budget of the Yankees is, and under precisely what circumstances and for which players the budget could “budge,” and the degree of fluidity, is the Yankees and the Yankees alone.

    Damon will not sign a contract with the Yankees for $2 million, and the Yankees will not expect him to. If they sign Damon it will be a fair deal, within the confines of this marketplace and in consideration of the player they are (hopefully) getting.

    I write this because I think people seem to be so sure they know what the Yankees are thinking financially.

  56. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    randy l.
    January 26th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
    ” I never imagined that you could be so kind, Randy. How are we splitting the sales of the books?”

    the good news for you is 50/ 50.

    the bad news is 50% of zero isn’t a very big number.

    ————————————————————

    50% of nothing is better than 0% of everything. Maybe you could give away a bag of birdseed from your store with every book sold.

  57. John Doe January 26th, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Of course the Yankees could use Damon, they could use Albert Pujols as well. Only difference is Pujols will make a major offensive difference whereas Damon will make a minor offensive difference. It’s pretty clear Granderson fell in love with the home run no matter what he says. Cashman is stressing he sees him as a 25 hr guy because the Yanks are going to insist he try to hit to all fields and stop trying to pull the ball all the time. They didnt sign him to be a masher, they have two in the middle of their order already

  58. John Sterling January 26th, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Glad to see left field is solved. Cashman must go.

  59. John Doe January 26th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    And to the person who said Jeter improved his defense so can Damon…Jeter never had leg problems. Damon has a history of leg problems so no, they are not an equal comparison. And whoever listed the lineup comparisons with our leadoff choices as Damon or Granderson should check the lineups from last year. Jeter is the leadoff guy. and you should be comparing Johnson with Jeter because it’s pretty much accepted that Johnson is the #2 hitter unless facing righties in which case Granderson is an excellent hitter. The lineup difference is mostly between Damon and Gardner. The difference in offense is not enough to make up for the defense. If he wants to come back for 5-6 definitely do it. Not worth a penny more in my book.

  60. FatAdam January 26th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    GrouchoNYY
    January 26th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
    Beware of a Mike Humphries clone.
    I doubt that a strong spring from any of these costs Gardner the starting job (save injury).

    Gardner’s biggest competition is still the mysterious left fielder to be named at a later time.

    Cue… Jhonny Damon…

  61. steveoh January 26th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Thoughts on Baldelli? He would be very cheap, righthanded, obviously has a lot of talent. Sounds like he has at least somewhat figured out his ailment. Used to play CF so should still have enough range for LF or RF. Plus he’d be easy to route for…

  62. John Doe January 26th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    And by no means am I a fan of Gardner. I think he has terrible baserunning instincts, and his biggest attribute is speed so…kinda reduces the value of that speed. But he can get to balls Damon can’t and while he doesn’t have a cannon, I think we’d all take our mother’s arm over Damon’s so Gardner’s is certainly an improvement. Damon’s only real asset is he’s a proven championship player, which is important, but we have plenty of those already.

  63. Phil the Thrill January 26th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    Wow, they found a guy that’s worse at getting on base than Hilligoss is.

  64. austinmac January 26th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Scary news everyone. GB7 suggested Golson last week. I conclude he has Cashman’s ear.

  65. Bronx Jeers January 26th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Jason Bay helps.

    Getting the guys they have healthy would help.

    I don’t think the Mets had the cash for Bay and a big name starter.

    They’re counting on Maine, Perez and Pelfrey righting themselves. And all those guys showed promise previously.

    And I’m not one to speak out of turn and criticize coaches but I’m not sold on that coaching staff. Then again they weren’t blessed with a healthy team so I guess they deserve their shot. Unfortunately, the team’s already off to a gimpy start.

  66. John Doe January 26th, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    I love Damon, loved watching him when I lived in Mass and couldn’t see Yankees games regularly. the best was the guy behind home plate at the Trop dressing up like Damon with the beard and heckling the whole game, loved that! But lets be honest, he’s not the player he was 4 years ago. He’s only getting older, and his defense has suffered significantly. I don’t feel strongly either way, so why all the concern about him? If he comes back great, we have Gardner if anything happens. If not…I’m not worried, this is an amazing team,which got significantly better with Vazquez and Granderson. not to mention a full season of a revitalized Arod, a second year Tex which should only improve his RISP avg and second year CC and AJ whom should both improve I thin

  67. Betsy January 26th, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    So Nady charged the Yankees a premium for his services? Taking less to go to the Cubs? How nice.

    I read another tweet somewhere that the Yankees/Damon are still considered a longshot as the Yankees have budgeted $2 million for an OF. However, that makes no sense if the Yankees would have considered Nady at $3.3 million.

  68. Rick January 26th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    With about all of his clients dried up and signed, it’s not out the range of possibility that Boras could ask Damon for a flat fee and let Johnny deal with Cashman on his own.
    It would then be how far will Hal Steinbrenner go to call it a deal.

  69. DaSaint007 January 26th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Hey John Doe, that person was me.

    Point was that Damon can improve his defense. It’s just possible that the offseason has allowed him to rest those achy legs, so maybe he can cover a bit more range. Once he gets to the ball, that’s a different story.

    However, because of his defense, I just don’t see Damon as an everyday LF. Part-time LF/part-time DH? Maybe. Question is, IS Damon a better DH than Johnson? Doesn’t matter now, as Damon is not going to take less than Johnson did to be only a DH. No sense in having a LF/DH for $2-5MM, and a DH for $5.5MM.

  70. ray (sox fan) January 26th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    I don’t know if it has been mentioned on here yet, but Ken Rosenthal is reporting this afternoon that the A’s are signing pitcher Ben Sheets.

  71. DaSaint007 January 26th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    Johnny Damon is deja vue of the Bernie Williams saga.

  72. Erin January 26th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    ray (sox fan)
    January 26th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
    I don’t know if it has been mentioned on here yet, but Ken Rosenthal is reporting this afternoon that the A’s are signing pitcher Ben Sheets.

    *******************
    that’s old news already, ray ;)

  73. Wave Your Hat January 26th, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    If the Yanks sign Damon, he’ll be the most-every-day LF. And Gardner will be available to rest Damon twice a week and play CF vs lefties in the not unlikely event Granderson is a dud vs lefties.

    Sounds to me like that ought to be worth about $5-6MM to the Yanks.

  74. David in Cal January 26th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    I see Nady as about equal to Damon. My crystal ball now has Damon eventually signing with the Yanks for around $3 million.

  75. m1kew January 26th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    Sherman says that the Yankees would only offer Baldelli a minor league contract. http://twitter.com/nyp_joelshe.....8249125184

  76. ray (sox fan) January 26th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    ok…sorry Erin..:)

  77. bigmitch January 26th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    Golson….lets hope hes more productive then vernon GOLSTON

  78. Erin January 26th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    ray (sox fan)
    January 26th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
    ok…sorry Erin..:)

    *********************
    LOL…no problem!! :)

  79. m1kew January 26th, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    The best thing Boras can do for Damon is to find some team not named the Yankees to sign Reed Johnson :-)

  80. DaSaint007 January 26th, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Damon will not sign for less than Nady got, w/incentives. Not happening.

  81. m January 26th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    Damon wasn’t horribly terrible out there, but I’m curious how he can improve his defense? An infielder needs quickness and lateral movement. An outfielder depends on his legs.

    Damon had issues with seeing the ball as well.

    And nothing will improve that arm.

    If Damon comes back, I hope we see a lot of late inning defensive substitutions.

    It’ll help Damon with wear and tear, and his likely replacement between Gardner and Hoffman/5th OF will be a defensive upgrade.

    This chick digs d-fence!

  82. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    austinmac
    January 26th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
    Scary news everyone. GB7 suggested Golson last week. I conclude he has Cashman’s ear.

    ————————————————————

    I’d rather have his bank account.

    I can’t see how this could hurt. Are there any info or reports on him around Austin on what his problems are? He’s got the glove, the arm, good speed and some power. Hopefully, he gets things together this year. Austin has produced some good ball players, like Don Baylor and Danny Cater among others.

  83. Yankee Trader January 26th, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    Nady gets 3.3M
    Reed Johnson made 3M in 2009.
    Gomes and Baldelli made around 500K last year.
    Marcus Thames made 2.275M in 2009.

    Nats looking to trade arbitration eligible Josh Willingham who made 2.95M last year.
    Marlins are going to arbitration with Cody Ross who made 2.225M with them last year.

    Marlon Byrd signed for AAV of 5M/year.

    The point is, unless the Yankees sign Gomes or Baldelli, they’re not getting anyone else for 2M or less, and at this point, even though the Braves have 4 proven OFer’s, he might elect to be close to home in Orlando and take a low offer from them.

  84. teddy January 26th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    no damon, no world series jk

  85. Evan January 26th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    no damon, no peace!

  86. Ed H. January 26th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    I’m a big fan of Gardner and am concerned that Golson profiles a lot like GGBG. Could it be that Cash has a trade in the works, including Gardner, for a starting LF? Golson would come of the bench for defense and to PR. That would spell bad news for both Brett and Damon.

  87. randyhater January 26th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    “I see Nady as about equal to Damon. My crystal ball now has Damon eventually signing with the Yanks for around $3 million.”

    Based on what exactly? The fact that Nady’s had one very good year in his career (mostly in the NL) and Damon’s had 7 or 8 (all in the AL)? Or the fact that Nady’s always injured (and is currently rehabbing from a major surgery) while Damon’s one of the most durable players in the sport?

    Nady is a shadow of the player Damon is. If he’s worth 5.3M (assuming the incentives are easily attainable) Damon’s a bargain at 6M.

  88. DaSaint007 January 26th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Here we go…Gardner for DeJesus again…

  89. Yankee Trader January 26th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    Erica-
    It’s too bad that the players union frowns on players restructuring their contracts, in order to help their team sign another player to improve the team. Otherwise I’m sure the multi-millionaires would be eager to step up to the plate to get Damon back in pinstripes.

  90. Bronx Jeers January 26th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    “With about all of his clients dried up and signed, it’s not out the range of possibility that Boras could ask Damon for a flat fee and let Johnny deal with Cashman on his own.”

    And what kind of message would that send out to any prospective Boras client?

    I’ll tell you one thing though. In Boras’ illustrious career, I don’t see Johnny Damon as complete success story.

  91. stuckey January 26th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    “Reed Johnson made 3M in 2009.

    The point is, unless the Yankees sign Gomes or Baldelli, they’re not getting anyone else for 2M or less”

    Damon made $13M last year and will likely make a lot less this year.

    The point is, why assume Reed Johnson will make $3m or more?

    He might be in for a paycut too.

  92. Evan January 26th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    ray (sox fan)
    January 26th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
    I don’t know if it has been mentioned on here yet, but Ken Rosenthal is reporting this afternoon that the A’s are signing pitcher Ben Sheets.
    =========================
    BREAKING NEWS(breathless)— Yankees just signed Mark Teixeria!

  93. Mike January 26th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    By not trading for Santana we ended up with this:

    Marquez = piece to get Swisher
    Melky = piece to get Vazquez
    Hiligoss = Golson (or nothing too much other than miL depth)
    and we held on to Hughes

    Santana v. Hughes, Swisher and Vazquez + cash for CC

  94. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Back Johnny!!!! January 26th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Yankee Trader
    January 26th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
    Erica-
    It’s too bad that the players union frowns on players restructuring their contracts, in order to help their team sign another player to improve the team. Otherwise I’m sure the multi-millionaires would be eager to step up to the plate to get Damon back in pinstripes.

    ***************

    I have my mega millions ticket for tonight. If I win, I will contribute a few million to this very important cause

  95. AeroFANatic January 26th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Damon and Gardner’s WAR projects to about 3.0 this season. Damon is far better offensively, Gardner is far better defensively.

    So, it really makes sense how the Yanks don’t want to spend more than 5million on Damon when they are essentially getting the same value from someone making 450K.

  96. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Back Johnny!!!! January 26th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Dearest MPB Johnny Damon-

    You are awesome. But this offseason drama has gone on for too long. The Yankees have presented you with a deal and I think you should take it. Come back to the Yankees for 2010 and continue being awesome in pinstripes. Make everyone who doubted you and your contract worthiness sorry. It’s going to be a fun 2010 for the Yankees as they try for a repeat and I would really like you to be a part of it. So come on back! Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

    Sincerely Yours,
    Erica

  97. pat January 26th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    “Last offer by Nady/Boras to #Yankees was $5M, signed with #Cubs at $3.3M. Yanks would have at least considered at those dollars”

    Maybe Nady/Boras believes like Cashman that it’s easier to take a lesser deal from a team you haven’t played for.

  98. Wave Your Hat January 26th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    AeroFANatic-

    The variation around Gardner’s WAR is much higher than the variation around Damon’s WAR. And IMO, most of the variation risk for Gardner’s WAR is on the down side.

    Two reasons – the variation around UZR contribution to WAR is much greater than around offensive contribution to WAR. And since Gardner had a very, very high UZR last year, I suspect most of the UZR variation risk is on the downside.

    Second reason is that Damon’s offensive projections have much less variation risk than Gardner’s offensive projections, due to the amount of data available to do those projections with.

    So I don’t think you can just say the two WAR projections are similar. They aren’t.

  99. ArtieA January 26th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Erica-

    I hope Johnny Damon listens to you if for nothing else, I want this agony to end for you too. If he comes back and hits 20 homers again we will give you all the credit!

  100. David in Cal January 26th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    randyhater – Nady is 5 years younger. His lifetime OPS+ is 108 vs. Damon’s 105. Nady has a good enough arm to play RF as well as LF. He can also play 1B. He’s not a particularly good fielder, but he’s arguably better than Damon is today.

    Damon is a better base-runner. Nady is somewhat of a question mark because of his surgery, but Damon’s legs are also a potential problem. Damon had two very good years in 2008 and 2009, but Nady also hit very well during the period 2007 – 2009. FWIW Damon’s batting average during the 2009 post season was only .261 with only 3 walks.

    In sum, I think Nady is a slightly better bet than Damon mostly because of the 5 year age diffence. I think there’s a good chance that Damon will deteriorate in 2010.

  101. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Back Johnny!!!! January 26th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    ArtieA
    January 26th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
    Erica-

    I hope Johnny Damon listens to you if for nothing else, I want this agony to end for you too. If he comes back and hits 20 homers again we will give you all the credit!

    *************

    Awesome. And I will accept all of the credit! ;-)

  102. austinmac January 26th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    GB7–I have never heard anything bad about Golson. Actually, by my observation and accounts I have heard he is a good guy. He probably has the best tools of anyone the Yankees have had this side of Austin Jackson. I do see them a bit similar. The question with Golson is, will he hit? Many have the tools, but hitting is a gift that traditional athletic ability doesn’t always translate to.

  103. Erin January 26th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    I’m going through a report at work and came across a book called Ninja Baseball. Think it’s about Robinson Cano???!!! :D

  104. MTU January 26th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Erica-

    Are we there yet ?

    Use your MAGIC don’t write letters. It’s not powerful enough.

    Also, channel your inner JD. ;)

  105. stuckey January 26th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    “Damon and Gardner’s WAR projects to about 3.0 this season. Damon is far better offensively, Gardner is far better defensively.

    “So, it really makes sense how the Yanks don’t want to spend more than 5million on Damon when they are essentially getting the same value from someone making 450K”

    Aero, I’ve yet to find a Damon-supporter here that bases their opinion on statistical analysis or fiscal prudence.

    I’ve found it largely to be based on 1.) outright rejection of the concept of a budget; 2.) anecdotal crush on his Game 4/9th inning AB/steal(s); 3.) lack of comfort (due to … I’m sorry … ignorance) with Gardner.

  106. DaSaint007 January 26th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    You know, I forgot about the age difference between Nady and Damon. But he’ll still only get $5MM/1 yr tops.

  107. Yankee Trader January 26th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    matt
    January 26th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
    Damon signs in 72 hours — over/under?
    ————————————————
    I’m going with under and the Yankees will get a Johnny or a Jonny, but not both!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  108. Bronx Jeers January 26th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Booo Erica!!!!

    Don’t be so selfish. Johnny probably deserves more $$$ than the Yankees are offering. And he needs your support in his hour of need.

    Screw the Yankees!!!

    Johnny, get all you can brother!

    Seriously, I’m feeling a little sorry for Johnny now. Yes, he should have just jumped on the original offer but he trusted that shark of an agent of his. Now he’s sort of in a tough spot.

  109. CD January 26th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    maybe we can hold a telethon to bring johnny back

  110. stuckey January 26th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Wave, if we’re going to attempt this objectively, you made something of an error.

    “Second reason is that Damon’s offensive projections have much less variation risk than Gardner’s offensive projections, due to the amount of data available to do those projections with.”

    Q: Why does lack of sample size suggest a NEGATIVE variation risk, as opposed to a general variation risk?

    Without injecting your personal opinion about Gardner into the equation, why is he more likely to underperform his projection rather than outperform?

  111. Erin January 26th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    CD
    January 26th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
    maybe we can hold a telethon to bring johnny back

    ***********************
    I fully support this idea. It needs a name….Damon Aid??? Song: Elton John’s Empty Garden (Hey Hey Johnny) ???

  112. MTU January 26th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    CD-

    “maybe we can hold a telethon to bring johnny back”

    All the telethon time is goin’ to Haiti right now. Sorry. :(

  113. ray (sox fan) January 26th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    “Seriously, I’m feeling a little sorry for Johnny now. Yes, he should have just jumped on the original offer but he trusted that shark of an agent of his. Now he’s sort of in a tough spot.”

    ——————————————————

    I have a hard time feeling real sorry for Damon or Varitek last year. When an athelete chooses Boras for an agent they know what they are getting. They are getting someone who will try to squeeze every penny out of a contract and recently that has backfired on some people.

  114. Erin January 26th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    MTU
    January 26th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
    CD-

    “maybe we can hold a telethon to bring johnny back”

    All the telethon time is goin’ to Haiti right now. Sorry.

    ***********************
    Come on now, MTU, surely Yankee fans can take some time to make a Damon telethon happen ;)

  115. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Back Johnny!!!! January 26th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    Bronx Jeers
    January 26th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
    Booo Erica!!!!

    Don’t be so selfish. Johnny probably deserves more $$$ than the Yankees are offering. And he needs your support in his hour of need.

    *******************

    I am more than willing to contribute millions to Damon-Aid if I win the mega millions tonight. Sadly, I do not have those funds available right now.

  116. DaSaint007 January 26th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    On another note…

    I’d sign Wang to a pro-rated Major legue contract…
    I’d sign Eric Bedard for depth…
    I’d consider Alfredo Amezaga as a super utility type (IF/OF)…
    And I’d sign Baldelli to a minor league contract…

    Filling in for Chip.

  117. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Back Johnny!!!! January 26th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    I think we need a good old fashioned LoHud poll on WHEN people think MPB Johnny Damon will return.

    a) By the end of the work week
    b) By the end of the weekend
    c) By the start of spring training
    d) Never

  118. blake January 26th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    If the Yankeees thought Gardner was an equal player to Damon then why are they still searching for a LFer? That 3 WAR projection is just that, a projection. It has very little track record to back it up. Its not ignorant to question if a player like Gardner can produce every day and its not ignorant to think Damon would be a good move if its cheap and for one year.

  119. Wave Your Hat January 26th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    “Q: Why does lack of sample size suggest a NEGATIVE variation risk, as opposed to a general variation risk?

    Without injecting your personal opinion about Gardner into the equation, why is he more likely to underperform his projection rather than outperform?”

    Leaving my personal opinion out, my argument was that Gardner’s WAR variance was higher than Damon’s WAR variance, so that Gardner was riskier. In fact, that’s exactly what I said in the first sentence of my previous comment.

    I then went on to add my opinion that the risk was on the down side. I think it’s on the down side, because (1) Gardner’s UZR was extremely high last year, in a small sample size, so I think it is more likely to be lower than higher in 2010, and (2) because most young players don’t blossom offensively, it seems a little more likely to me that more ABs will send Gardner’s offensive numbers down, not up.

    I agree that it could turn out differently, but that’s the way I see it.

  120. jayhi January 26th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    7 ML ABs and 5 strikeouts. A guy with speed is worthless if he can’t put the ball in play.

  121. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 26th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Two thoughts in a disjointed hit-and-run.

    1. My prediction, a day late and a dollar short because I see that the topic was two or three threads earlier is that THE SUXERS WILL NOT BE THE WILD CARD. Yankees, of course, will come in first.

    2. A friend emailed earlier that Damon might be going to Oakland (the reason that I checked in.) It appears from an earlier thread that might not happen. Here’s how I feel about Damon at this point – anywhere but here. If the Yankees let Matsui go, I definitely don’t want anyone else occupying the geriatric ward every other game in order to be able to play in the outfield!

    My fervent hope is that the Yankees don’t go anywhere near Damon. We have a vibrant team with a solid offense, especially with Nick the stick and Granderson added to it. I believe that Gardner can cover the ground in left. Anyway, I don’t want Damon back. Even with him sitting out games last year he still didn’t get to balls he should have. OVAH!

  122. stuckey January 26th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    “I agree that it could turn out differently, but that’s the way I see it.”

    Fair enough.. so long as you’re acknowledging you’re mixing personal bias with statistical analysis, I’m cool…

  123. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 26th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    I just read a few posts up and I will say that no matter what happens with Gardner, I don’t want Damon back. In other words, my feelings about Damon are not contingent upon Gardner playing left. I just don’t want Damon back, period. (If the trade-off is to have Gardner in left, I would do it. If the Yankees feel the need to get someone else, so be it. However, I think the team is solid enough that I would be willing to see whether or not Gardner could build up his bunting repertoire to the point where he could use his speed to get on base, and fly from there.)

  124. Bronx Jeers January 26th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Ray,

    That’s a good point and usually Boras wins these fights. But as I said earlier, I don’t think Damon’s career is something Boras will necessarily put on his “resume” or whatever.

    I don’t know how the Sox deal went down but to me it was short on years. Maybe that was by design to get another shot at free agency while he was still relatively young. I don’t know.

    I think the Yankee deal was too short as well. Maybe Johnny wanted it to show up the Sox and just jumped but regardless I think that he would have ended up being a valuable player to both teams beyond the life of the original contract.

    Somebody said something recently in here when talking about Mauer’s agent and how he views these deals to be at their best when all parties benefit.

    So yeah, your definitely right. If a player chooses a greedy pig as representation, he shouldn’t be surprised when he gets stuck in the mud.

  125. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    Awesome. And I will accept all of the credit!

    austinmac
    January 26th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
    GB7–I have never heard anything bad about Golson. Actually, by my observation and accounts I have heard he is a good guy. He probably has the best tools of anyone the Yankees have had this side of Austin Jackson. I do see them a bit similar. The question with Golson is, will he hit? Many have the tools, but hitting is a gift that traditional athletic ability doesn’t always translate to.

    ————————————————————

    Thanks, mac. Maybe Long can get all of his new outfielders into camp early and work with them to correct a few of the flaws. One thing that I see is that all of them are still pretty young and all are athletic. Granderson is the ancient one at age 29. Out of Greg Golson, Curtis Granderson, Colin Curtis, Brett Gardner and Jamie Hoffmann, maybe he can fix Gardner and Granderson’s issues and make one of the other 3 into something useful.

  126. blake January 26th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    Wave,

    He could outperform his projections . However the lack of sample size means that you just don’t know what he will do.

    Much of peoples opinion of Gardner is based on his high UZR which is the most unreliable stat of all. I don’t have a negative opinion of Gardner, I like him a lot but think he is best suited for what he did last year. If he starts I will wish him well and hope I’m wrong.

  127. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    jayhi
    January 26th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
    7 ML ABs and 5 strikeouts. A guy with speed is worthless

    ————————————————————

    So are posters with nothing to say.

  128. ArtieA January 26th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    The key reason why I could argue for Johnny Damon back , I want no part of Nick Johnson batting 2nd. He’s slow. okay he can hit, but we become a station to station team…who wants that? speed puts all the pressure and Damon batting 2nd with Johnson batting lower in the line-up is better.
    So for the sake of the line-up and for Erica, let’s get Johnny back!

  129. teddy January 26th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    damon stole 12 base, whoope dooooooo

  130. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Garland signs with San Diego. Mets whiff on another of their coveted players.

  131. Wave Your Hat January 26th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    My posts seem to disappear. Anyone else having that problem?

  132. Drive 4- 5 January 26th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    stuckey,

    I’m curious here. Last Thursday Joe Girardi did a phone interview on YES Network’s Hot Stove show. He said that the left field situation has not yet been decided.He certainly did not sound committed in any way to Gardner being a starter. It was hardly a vote of confidence. Is there anything you’d like to share with Joe to perhaps change his mind? Apparently, Joe Girardi is as uneducated as many here.

  133. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 26th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    I admit I am jumping in in the middle and haven’t read all the posts, but is someone really trying to use 7 AB as the basis for a final conclusion on Gardner ???????????????????? Tell me it ain’t so!

    That’s the equivalent of re-signing Shane Spencer because he had an ass-kicking September. You see where that would get you!

  134. MTU January 26th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Blake-

    The Yankees do not appear to be completely comfortable with GGBG otherwise they would not be searching for a potential platoon partner for him.

    It not about not liking GGBG. Most people like underdogs.

    He is gonna get plenty of chances to strut his stuff this year.

    Let’s see what he does with the opportunity.

    As for all Yankees I wish him the best of luck.

    May he prove his detractors wrong !

  135. Wave Your Hat January 26th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    blake-

    The lack of sample size is a problem. But my argument is that there’s more to worry about on the downside with Gardner and I haven’t seen an opposing argument that convinces me otherwise.

  136. stuckey January 26th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    “If the Yankeees thought Gardner was an equal player to Damon then why are they still searching for a LFer?”

    I’n not now nor have I ever suggested Gardner is an equal player to Damon. I’m suggesting (as I have all along) that the difference between the two, factoring in the other variables (defense, the overall strength of the Yankees line-up), isn’t so great as to make much of a difference either way.

    I know you know this Blake because I’d said it to you plainly and directly on several previous occasions.

    But to answer the question anyway, we don’t know that they’re looking for a starting LF. We BOTH agree they need another outfielder and that a RH one makes some sense, Cashman has cited a number he wants to stay within, which put together and extrapolated leads to the speculative conclusion that the Yanks desire might be for a platoon compliment to Gardner.

    “Its not ignorant to question if a player like Gardner can produce every day”

    No, it’s not. It is to consistently ignore the fact it will effect the Yankees very little if he does not.

    “and its not ignorant to think Damon would be a good move if its cheap and for one year.”

    Take that up with someone who suggested it was. I never suggested ignorance has anything to do with opinions about Damon.

    I will, however, again say I don’t understand how the “one year” argument is relevant to the topic. I’ve haven’t read or heard anything to make me believe that THIS year is insignificant to the Yankees.

    Have you?

  137. austinmac January 26th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    I don’t see what’s not to like with the Golson acquisition. He has a chance to contribute. Only time will tell if he will, but he has as good a chance as any other minor league prospect in system.

  138. austinmac January 26th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    I don’t see what’s not to like with the Golson acquisition. He has a chance to contribute. Only time will tell if he will, but he has as good a chance as any other minor league prospect in system.

  139. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 26th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Did someone decide that Johnson is batting second? I guess I have been out of touch.

    I have a different lineup.

    Jeter
    Granderson
    Tex
    Arod
    Nick
    Robby
    Jorge
    Swish
    Gardner/LF

    Feel free to play with the 5-6-7 based on the strength du jour.

  140. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    I wonder if there’s any statistical analysis on people that believe that statistical analysis explains everything about baseball?

  141. Frank January 26th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    “Jeter
    Granderson
    Tex
    Arod
    Nick
    Robby
    Jorge
    Swish
    Gardner/LF”

    Wouldn’t think Arod sees much good to hit if Nick Johnson is the guy who follows him.

  142. Wave Your Hat January 26th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    stuckey-

    You are not taking into consideration the very real possibility that Granderson cannot hit lefties well enough to play against them consistently.

    The Damon argument is not just about Gardner. it also is about Granderson.

  143. Nick in SF January 26th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    “is someone really trying to use 7 AB as the basis for a final conclusion on Gardner ???????????????????? Tell me it ain’t so!”

    OK, it ain’t so.

  144. m January 26th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    trisha,

    You need to pay attention while class is in session.

    That’s Golson’s major league career at-bats.

  145. murphydog January 26th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Now THIS is the Candyman.

    http://groovyvic.mu.nu/archives/images/SAM1.JPG

    If he hits half as well as he sang that song, we’re in Schaefer City!

  146. ArtieA January 26th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    The point on Damon is first to third not SB’s but hey..if Damon doesn’t comeback ,the Yanks aren’t going to lose the pennant over this. They’ll lose it if their pitching doesn’t come through…but sure is better to have some speed at the top of the lineup.

  147. Wave Your Hat January 26th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    “I wonder if there’s any statistical analysis on people that believe that statistical analysis explains everything about baseball?”

    I seriously doubt that those people actually exist, although their hypothetical existence do make excellent straw men.

  148. MTU January 26th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    The 1000 run lineup:

    Jeter
    Damon
    Tex
    A-Rod
    Grandy
    Posada
    Cano
    Swish
    Johnson

    Ooooh La La! I’m greedy and I admit it.

    Damon for 5 @ 1yr. :)

  149. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 26th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    Frank, I haven’t followed Nick too closely since he left the Yanks but I seem to remember him as one hell of a hitter and also a patient hitter. (Am I misremembering?) If that’s still the case, why wouldn’t Arod get much to hit?

    If it’s not the case, then we can still play with 5-6-7. While I think you have to go with your hot hand, I don’t see Robby or Jorge as bad choices for the 5 spot.

  150. stuckey January 26th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    “The key reason why I could argue for Johnny Damon back , I want no part of Nick Johnson batting 2nd. He’s slow. okay he can hit, but we become a station to station team…who wants that?”

    The three guys hitting behind Johnson could hit 110 or more HR’s between them.

    You give me a guy who can get on base 42% of the time before THAT, and I don’t care if he’s in a wheelchair.

  151. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 26th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    mel – LMAO, and oops!

    Okay, I’ll make the same argument and just switch the name!

  152. RayVT January 26th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    stuckey
    January 26th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
    “I agree that it could turn out differently, but that’s the way I see it.” Fair enough.. so long as you’re acknowledging you’re mixing personal bias with statistical analysis, I’m cool…
    ————————————————–
    As an non innocent bystander, I like to add the following: With statistics there is a factor based on the number of samples that puts a confidence factor into the result. So if something is based on a small sample size, it is basically worthless statistically as the confidence factor would cause a large uncertainty for the result. ±50% to 100% or even more. So it is quite acceptable and even more acurate to state Gardner is less likely to meet his last season numbers than Damon. With someone like Damon who has a large amount of data, the confidence factor is better so the deviation from his expected results would be much less.

  153. stuckey January 26th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    “I wonder if there’s any statistical analysis on people that believe that statistical analysis explains everything about baseball?”

    I believe I saw such a study on the same website that studied some baseball fans that fondly remember what they choose to, like remember when a player steals two bases in a game, but forgets when said same player bats .083 in a series in the same post-season.

  154. stuckey January 26th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    “With someone like Damon who has a large amount of data, the confidence factor is better so the deviation from his expected results would be much less.”

    Q: How are we measuring the “confidence factor”?

  155. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 26th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    How’s this for some stats? Well an argument having to do with numbers, anyway? Put a geriatric player in left and the other team has greater potential to score runs than if you put someone there who can actually get to the ball.

    Since offense is not a burning issue with the Yankees, and since they have greatly added to rather than subtracted from their offense with the additions of Granderson and Nick (IMO), don’t worry about giving up something on the offense by putting someone in left who may not dazzle with the stick.

    So how do you like dem apples!

    :)

    Just call me “figure it out and cut to the chase” Trisha. Complicated formulae and statistical variations be damned!!!

  156. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Back Johnny!!!! January 26th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    new thread :arrow:

  157. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Wave Your Hat
    January 26th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
    “I wonder if there’s any statistical analysis on people that believe that statistical analysis explains everything about baseball?”

    I seriously doubt that those people actually exist, although their hypothetical existence do make excellent straw men.

    ————————————————————

    I’ll take a hitter that can knock in runs and score ‘em or a pitcher that gets outs whether the statistical analysis says he can or not. Imagine some poor slob of a manager that is stuck with a 2nd baseman that scores a hundred runs and knocks in 85, even though analysis says he can’t hit with runners on base.

  158. RayVT January 26th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    January 26th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
    I wonder if there’s any statistical analysis on people that believe that statistical analysis explains everything about baseball?

    LOL! I personally believe in the scouts!! LOL! But using statistics without a verification that the statistics apply is like me doing the scouting for our Yankees. Neither one is worth the paper the results are tabulated on.

  159. ray (sox fan) January 26th, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    trisha – OPPC forever – (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS!
    January 26th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
    Two thoughts in a disjointed hit-and-run.

    “1. My prediction, a day late and a dollar short because I see that the topic was two or three threads earlier is that THE SUXERS WILL NOT BE THE WILD CARD. Yankees, of course, will come in first.”
    ———————————————————

    Hey trisha. I’m not trying to be a jerk…honest.. :)

    Just noting that unless I am mistaken you predicted the same thing last year about the Sox.

  160. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 26th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    ray, you are not being a jerk, you are just being honest. Not only did I predict they wouldn’t be the WC, I predicted they would come in third!

    :)

  161. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 26th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    I think I am going to go out on a preliminary limb here and predict that the Mariners will be the wild card. Not sure exactly why except that I think that Cliff Lee and King Felix will really help their cause. Just a quick off-the-cuff “for now” prediction.

    Well, it’s something to think about anyway!

  162. ray (sox fan) January 26th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    trisha,
    For what it is worth I also would predict that your Yankees will win the AL East this next year.

  163. stuckey January 26th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    “I’m curious here. Last Thursday Joe Girardi did a phone interview on YES Network’s Hot Stove show. He said that the left field situation has not yet been decided.He certainly did not sound committed in any way to Gardner being a starter. It was hardly a vote of confidence. Is there anything you’d like to share with Joe to perhaps change his mind? Apparently, Joe Girardi is as uneducated as many here.”

    If you’re asking ME, I too agree there is NO reason to guarantee Gardner a job, and I’ve never suggested the Yankees have or should.

    I’m ALL FOR (100%) bringing in cost-efficient candidates to push one another for the job. The more the merrier, and to give the winner (whomever it may be) the job in April, with it being their responsibility to hold onto it.

    Furthermore, I believe the Yankee hierarchy takes the same view. I think they look upon Cabrera being pushed by Gardner last season as ultimately a positive experience and outright and upfront seem to be setting up a competition for the 5th starter between Chamberlain, Hughes and others.

    I think the Yankees LIKE ST competitions for young players, and I think this is a sound policy.

    Not sure I’ve argued anything to counter that view.

    Again, people seem to be taking the b&w view and erroneously concluding I’m arguing Gardner is the best man for the job.

    I’m not. Never have.

    I’m saying the Yankees line-up is conducive to stressing, youth, defense and budget-mindedness in their remaining opening, which is LF on defense and a 9 hitter on offense.

    Nothing less, nothing more.

  164. RayVT January 26th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    stuckey
    January 26th, 2010 at 5:51 pm
    “With someone like Damon who has a large amount of data, the confidence factor is better so the deviation from his expected results would be much less.”

    Q: How are we measuring the “confidence factor”?

    The confidence factor is based on the number of samples. So someone with less than a season would be a much higher factor than someone who has played much more. Of course applying a confidence factor to the last season or portion thereof would give a tolerance to the results. (Example, a batter hits .250 in a ½ season would be much more likely to bat .220 than someone who hit .250 with 5 seasons on doing the same.

  165. stuckey January 26th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    “I don’t have a negative opinion of Gardner, I like him a lot but think he is best suited for what he did last year.”

    Blake, how can one argue he’s best suited for a particular role, when we KNOW a MLB first 350 AB’s isn’t necessarily indicative of their true ability AND given you haven’t seen him do anything else?

    Should evaluations be based on seeing someone actually perform each respective role he’s being considered for, AND allowing for the growth via accumulated experience we all know is vital?

    Seems like making an evaluation lacking ALL the relevant factors is in fact, somewhat ignorant, no?

    Please regard “ignorant” literally, not pejoratively.

  166. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 26th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    Ray, I think we all know that if there is anything that I automatically negatively knee-jerk about it’s the Red Sox. Absolutely guilty as accused.

  167. stuckey January 26th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    “Imagine some poor slob of a manager that is stuck with a 2nd baseman that scores a hundred runs and knocks in 85, even though analysis says he can’t hit with runners on base.”

    And this works in reverse.

    I’d also hope some poor slob fans would give due consideration to the fact LF option A scored a run per 5.17 ABs in 2009 and LF option B scored a run per 5.14 ABs, despite the perception that B was MUCH MORE accomplished in getting on base and producing runs, AND despite huge built-in advantages (batting order, ability to knock himself in, roughly 8000 AB in ML experience).

  168. Ariel January 26th, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    It was highly unlikely that Boras would “allow” Nady to be signed by the Yankees and thus eliminate the only resting place for his “Main Man”, Mr D. High ball numbers are his stock in trade as well as having his shills in the media serve as conduits to pass on his obvious nonsense…since the quid pro quo is the “exclusive” when “real” big news is about to hit.

    The notion of conflict of interest appears not to play well in this day and age, though I suspect his clients have all executed tight waivers.

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