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Boras and Cashman speak

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 27, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

As always, good work by our good friend Tyler Kepner, who passes along these comments.

From Scott Boras: “The Yankees never even made an offer to me regarding Johnny Damon during the entire process.”

From Brian Cashman: “On Dec. 17, Scott’s exact words were that he would not take a penny less than $13 million a year for two years. We believed him.”

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347 Responses to “Boras and Cashman speak”

  1. biz January 27th, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    scott boras sucks!

  2. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus January 27th, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    In other words, Boras did Damon in.

  3. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    January 27th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
    “So for me the trade was superfluous – we didn’t need the “veteran” security that Vazquez will no doubt provide – at least, not that that cost.”
    —————————–
    Vazquez was just as much about Hughes/Joba as it was about ZZ/AJ/Andy. All three of those guys are coming off huge workloads that kept them pitching into November. Add to that AJ is always an injury risk and Andy is 37 and has not exactly been the beacon of health in recent years.

    One of those guys going down is a distinct possibility. And then you are looking at a rotation filled out by Joba/Hughes/Gaudin which is well, YIKES!

    Finally, it would not surprise me one bit if Javy is starting the 2nd game of the division series in 2010.

  4. Ariel January 27th, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    Did Boras meet his Waterloo? Cashman called his bluff and good old Johnny is out in the cold…or in Tampa, Oakland, Atlanta or someplace else for considerably less than the Yankees would have ended up paying him if Boras were not Boras. The hyperbole done him in.

  5. Bill Porter January 27th, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    “On Dec. 17, Scott’s exact words were that he would not take a penny less than $13 million a year for two years. We believed him.” . . . “. . . Do they think I’m stupid?”

    Ca$hman is the man!

  6. Matt H January 27th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    Good riddance, Scott. I love you Damon, but you really should have gone over your agent’s head on this one if you really wanted to be signed by the Yanks.

  7. Ham Fighters January 27th, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    boras works for damon. if damon wanted to take less he could have told boras to take less or he could have contacted the yankees and offered to take less himself. instead, he let his representative stand on a ridiculous demand and so he’s out. in the end damon is the boss.

  8. Phil the Thrill January 27th, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    That’s why it’s good to keep a journal!

  9. Ariel January 27th, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    I would think the baseball world is applauding Cashman for putting Boras in his place.

  10. Terry January 27th, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    Damon has officially been Abreuized. They say that baseball players are businessman athletes, so why didn’t Johnny have a clue that a recession is in full swing and that he won’t get his 13m? Didn’t he see what happened to Abreu? Talk about pride (greed) cometh before the fall. He just losted 10 million over two years. Talk about a bitter pill.

  11. Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    wow, dont mess with Cash-money!

    great comeback :)

  12. hobbie January 27th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    The team will survive and overcome this loss.

  13. canofan42 January 27th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    haha, Cashman just wrecked Boras. This has to be at least the 3rd time, first with A-Rod, then Teixiera, and now Damon.

    Cashman knows Boras inside and out. His tricks don’t work anymore.

    Go Cashman!

  14. Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    Chad, was there more to this?

    Someone posted in the previous thread a comment Cashman may have made about Boras saying he’d never find a #2 hitter for less?

    Please post it all if you got it!!

  15. ray (sox fan) January 27th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    As mentioned in the earlier thread it is true that Boras negotiated a good contract for Matt Holliday and several other players this year.

    I don’t dispute the fact that he is still the most prominent agent.

    With that said however, if I was a good young baseball player I might have some emerging doubts whether Boras could get me the contract he thinks I should have.

    In some cases he has been out of touch with the current baseball market.

  16. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    ray (sox fan)
    January 27th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
    Hey GB. I haven’t been on the blog much lately so this may be old news but I was wondering how your recovery is doing from your hospital stay a few weeks ago.

    Just think, it actually won’t be that long now before pitchers and catchers report!!!

    ————————————————————

    Hey, Ray. Yeah, doing pretty well. I go to Tampa in a couple of weeks for a check-up, and I’m scared to death. Nurse Karloff will be stalking the halls.

    Yeah, can’t wait for the ST games to start.

    Will the Boston Red Sox still be playing Major League baseball, this year? Sure missed you guys last year.

  17. Terry January 27th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Perhaps Boras could practice law and chase ambulances. That would be a step up for his career.

  18. Pat M. January 27th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    Cashman outs Scotty B…. About time…Arte Morino of teh Angels feels the same way about Boras….As more and more teams expose his methods, more and more players are going to look elsewhere for represntation….He blew the Damon situation with the Yanks….And he did the same with Alex….Boras has yet to come to understand that baseball is changing it’s player development views and he fails to be flexible to market changes….

  19. Shame Spencer January 27th, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    Ya know, in the early 2000s, I really wasn’t sure how I felt about Cashman. It was always hard to tell who was pulling the strings, so it was hard to form an opinion. But ever since The Boss has been gone and the kids have taken over, Cash has really impressed me. Johnny was a good Yankee, but there really was no room for him on our team after the Johnson signing. If we already had a DH and several players (Jorgie, Arod, Tex, Jeter) who need a day off or a half day with just DH duties, I couldn’t see where he would fit at all. Especially since his play in the outfield was deteriorating before our eyes. $13 mill??? No way. Cash not only made the right call but had some snarky comments to go with it. As a New Yorker, it really doesn’t get any better than a good move with a side of sass.

  20. Ham Fighters January 27th, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    boras should be so lucky to ‘lose’ when his guy gets $30M per year! he gets his cut of the richest contract in sports history and didnt even have to negotiate!

  21. ariel January 27th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    Is Damon:

    A. An “idiot” as he has professed to be,
    B. simply drunk on the Boras Kool-Aid,
    C. infatuated with an exalted sense of self-aggrandizement,
    D. all of the above.

  22. Donnie - Will Meet Scott Boras Under the O'Neill Banner January 27th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    Johnny should realize what A-Rod did a couple years ago, and dump Boras immediately. He did not, in any way, shape, or form, do his job as an agent.

    “The Yankees never made an offer.”

    Well, why would they? They were told, flat out, if they weren’t offering $13 million, to not even offer. They did anyway, and were refuted. They were not going to be Boras’ pawn, to be used to drive up the price of his client. They had a price in mind for Damon. Either he took it, or he didn’t.

    Boras, at no time, WENT BACK TO THE YANKEES, which is HIS JOB AS AN AGENT, to say, “Okay, I was a bit off, let’s get this done. $5 million a year, one year with an option?” and then go from there.

    Now, it looks like his client may end up playing in an indoor stadium that does NOT compliment his swing or his skills, as a DH. I’d venture that a season out of the field is going to hurt his chances of signing with an NL team next year, since his skills were already deteriorating in the field, and a year out of practice isn’t going to help.

    The way I see it, Scott Boras just cost his client a decent contract this year, and has REALLY hurt his chances for one next year.

    Why haven’t players blackballed this joker yet?

  23. Bronx Jeers January 27th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    From Scott Boras: “The Yankees never even made an offer to me regarding Johnny Damon during the entire process.”

    —————————————————————

    To get to the bottom of this, someone needs to ask Cash if this is true.

    Because if Cash denies this and confirms that there was indeed a 2yr/14 mil$$ offer, then Boras is going to look very bad.

  24. ray (sox fan) January 27th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    “Will the Boston Red Sox still be playing Major League baseball, this year? Sure missed you guys last year.”
    ——————————————————-
    Ok GB, you will pay for that comment!

    To be honest I am glad to hear you are doing well, but I may have to give nurse Karloff a call to suggest some special treatment for you.

  25. Ham Fighters January 27th, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    dont get crazy wiht the ‘boras is dead’ stuff. he made out huge with holliday this year. he’s aggresive and usually gets what he wants for his top clients. what happens further down the food chain (i.e. damon) isnt going to bother him much. you cant win them all.

    and calling the arod opt-out a ‘loss’ is ridiculous. alex got a huge raise/extension and boras got his cut of it.

  26. Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    ““The Yankees never made an offer.””

    ————-

    It had been reported that Cashman asked for a minimum (or more realistic) offer from Boras/Damon and they’d go to Hal to see if he could approve it.

    So while it’s possible and probable that the Yankees never made a real offer, it’s ridiculous for Boras to suggest the Yankees never attempted serious negotiation with intent to work out a realistic deal (mind you, a deal that will probably match or exceed what Damon will get from anybody else)

  27. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    It’s nothing personal – I’m sure Cash and Boras will be fine. I certainly believe Cash….Giving an ultimatum like Boras and Damon did was so incredibly stupid

  28. stuckey January 27th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    “You get what you pay for.”

    Yes Blake you do. And the Yankees have a $200m payroll.

    We should all be very happy if the Yankees get what they pay for.

  29. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    I think the issue is one of semantics.

    Cash and Boras probably spoke in terms of parameters, even if a definitive offer was never made.

  30. Ham Fighters January 27th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    damon cant play the OF for tampa, his legs will never stand up on that carpet.

  31. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    Ham, I agree. If Damon had really wanted to be here, he would have instructed Boras to get something done.

  32. blake January 27th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    “Why haven’t players blackballed this joker yet?”

    Because he still gets the elite players the big bucks. Nobody thought Holliday would get anywhere close to 120 million dollars but Boras got it for him. I doubt any other agent would have.

    His methods work with the elite players because demand is high and someone will pay it but for the lesser players teams are just passing to avoid all the nonsense he brings to the table.

  33. EricNS January 27th, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    Two years is too much – JD is the boss not Boras and should have told him to make it work – 2011 Carl Crawford in pinstripes

  34. Joe from Long Island January 27th, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    Pat M – I agree, Boras’ negotiating tactics didn’t get it done here. Still, he’s been pretty successful – look at the deals he got for Holliday, and Tex last year, as just two examples. Yes, it looks like he’s failed Damon, but how much of that hard line was Damon’s doing? We’ll never know for sure.

    Overrall, I think – based on some of the articles written during the Winter Meetings – that Boras has a pretty good grasp of the baseball industry. Makes the failed Damon-Yankee dance all the more perplexing, it seemed last Fall that both sides wanted to get something done.

  35. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Boston, here you go:

    BobKlapMore Cashman: “Boras told me I wouldn’t find a No. 2 hitter for less than $13 million. I found one for half that (Nick Johnson).”
    about 2 hours ago from TweetDeck

  36. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    “let’s go yankees, you obviously talk to hear yourself talking. If you want to believe that Boras is better than ever, have at. I’ll go with the more rational posters here who have continued to outline why Boras has lost some of his power.”

    ——————————-

    What exactly did Boras screw up with Alex? Who has he messed up other then Damon and Varitek. Do you expect him to be 100%? He never has been 100% and no one ever will be.

    RE Alex:

    Boras advises Alex to opt out of his contract. Everyone thinks this is absolutely insane and probably no other agent in baseball would do this given the circumstances. That opt out ends up with $300 million in Alex’s bank account that he would not have gotten otherwise. So we will put a “check” mark there.

    Boras reads the market and predicts Alex will get 10 years and 300-400 million. Everyone thinks Boras is absolutely insane once again. Alex proceeds to get 300 million and 10 years. Boras read the market perfectly. So we will put a “check” mark there.

    With any other agent in baseball Alex Rodriguez retires with ALOT less money in his bank account. Potentially HUNDREDS of millions of dollars less given the steroid thing that came out and his age when his contract would have expired w/o him opting out.

    What am I missing here? Where is the screw up?

  37. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    I don’t blame Boras completely here as his client has to bear a large part of the responsibility, but Cash knows how to work with Boras and he’s very shrewd. That shrewdness is hidden because of the $$$ the Yanks have to play with, but don’t mess with the Cash

  38. Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    I really can’t imagine Tampa paing $5M+ for JD to be their DH unless they can trade Pat Burrell (and they can’t) or they intend to trade Carl Crawford sooner rather than later.

    JD is in deep doo doo. He needs to hope Oakland bids against themselves and gives him $5M.

  39. Shame Spencer January 27th, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    Rich –

    You’re probably right about this being more about semantics. At this point it doesn’t really matter if the Yanks ever made an offer or not. Damon is left in the cold regardless of Boras’ claim that he was never given an offer. Boras is just trying to spin the story, that’s part of his job. Now I’m really curious to see what Damon’s production looks like next season and if he ends up with a deal in 2011.

  40. Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    thanks Betsy.

    while Cashman and Boras will undoubtedly work together in the future, I’m loving this little battle for now (especially since everybody knows Boras is full of crap and Cash is making him look even worse)

  41. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    Trisha,

    You also conveniently forgot to answer this question:

    You have said that players dumped Boras after the A-rod thing. What players have dumped him?

  42. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    From MLB-Rumors-Us. Take it for what it’s worth.

    •ESPN’s Jorge Arangure reports that 17-year-old righty Rafael DePaula is back on the market after being suspended for a year by MLB after lying about his age. His agent hopes to have him signed within the next 15-20 days, and Arangure mentions that both the Yankees and Red Sox are interested.

  43. Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    if Winn gets regular playing time, it will give them FOUR switch hitters.

    that’s gotta be the most in MLB, no?

    Tex
    Posada
    Swisher
    Winn

  44. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    Joe, I’m sure the Yankees wanted to get something done, but when you are told to blow off unless you give us what we want, there’s nothing to be done.

  45. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    Bronx Jeers, did you ever think that now that Da Melk is gone I might be looking for a new favorite player and maybe I’ve been eyeing Granderson? Anyway though I’m more than happy to share!

    **********************

    let’s go yankees, here’s a short list of players that dumped Boras:

    Gary Sheffield
    Barry Bonds
    John Danks
    Jordan Danks
    Mark Guthrie
    Kenny Rogers
    Carlos Lee
    Jay Bruce
    Luke Hochevar
    Rick Porcello

  46. blake January 27th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    ““You get what you pay for.”
    Yes Blake you do. And the Yankees have a $200m payroll.
    We should all be very happy if the Yankees get what they pay for.”

    I’ll be happy if Johnson produces what Damon did out of the #2 hole. Johnson is cheaper but a lesser player. Cashman was implying that they were equal players only Johnson was cheaper, I don’t think thats the case especially if were talking about Damon as a DH.

  47. Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    thanks GB7

    another sweepstakes!

    “”Rafael De Paula is what is called a young prodigy of the mound,” said Hector Acevedo novel scout on the right of 6 ¨ 3 of stature that pulls over the 93 miles and has excellent contrast, curve and slider to control outside serial. ”

    http://translate.google.com/tr.....ry_state0=

  48. Rachel January 27th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    For whatever reason it seems very obvious that Boras never wanted to make a deal with the Yanks. I can’t understand how he turned down 2/$14m. Also why didn’t Damon ever wake up and take control of the situation like Arod did?? Is he not bright enough. Boras really screwed him. He cost him about $9m and now he will have to play for a lesser team.

  49. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    Here’s my read – Boras told him what they would take and Cashman breathed a sigh of relief.

    :)

    What a riot! Boras did the work for Cashman. If the Yankees wanted Damon, they would have fought for him.

    Next!

  50. m1kew January 27th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    Remember last year. Cashman visited CC and Andy at their homes and never even opened talks with Abreu. In retrospect it is clear that the Yankees had decided that signing Abreu was not in their best interest. When Abreu signed for $5 million for one year I suspect that Cashman might have been interested but by then he was already committed to Swisher and had Nady too.

    It looks like the same thing happened with Damon except the $ went to a pitcher (Vazquez) and a outfielder (Granderson). Matsui and his agent were smart enough to gauge the market for what it was and rapidly found a home at on acceptable terms. Nick Johnson and his agent made a similar decision and all of a sudden there was not enough money left for Damon.

  51. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    ray (sox fan)
    January 27th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
    “Will the Boston Red Sox still be playing Major League baseball, this year? Sure missed you guys last year.”
    ——————————————————-
    Ok GB, you will pay for that comment!

    To be honest I am glad to hear you are doing well, but I may have to give nurse Karloff a call to suggest some special treatment for you.

    ————————————————————

    Did I mention that I think Yaz is a real killer of a dog…a man’s dog?

  52. CB January 27th, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    “I think the issue is one of semantics.”

    It is to a certain degree, but substantively it’s even more so an issue of culture and common practice.

    Boras is trying to turn it into an issue of semantics in order do damage control.

    Boras is being completely disingenuous here. He’s attempting to do damage control – and not for Damon – it’s damage control for himself.

    Boras very well knows the ambiguities of what “making an offer” really means in baseball.

    Boras and ultimately Damon seem to have been largely unwilling to take a market rate deal from the yankees. It looks like Johnny just wasn’t willing to accept a pay cut from the Yankees and I’d guess Boras facilitated that in his negotiating tactics.

    He essentially made one take it or leave it offer to the yanks.

    Boras keeps guessing that the teams are bluffing and ultimately will cave in and give older veterans above market rate deals.

    And when he calls their bluff Boras is seeing that in fact the team wasn’t bluffing to begin with.

    And that’s leaving Boras looking very bad in a number of situations.

    That’s why he’s constantly trying to spin the situation by playing with words when he very well knows what the substantive issues are.

    And Cashman called him on it.

    It seems like the yankees became very frustrated with Boras this off season.

  53. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    “His methods work with the elite players because demand is high and someone will pay it but for the lesser players teams are just passing to avoid all the nonsense he brings to the table.”

    ——————-

    Xavier Nady and his 5 million
    Rick Ankiel and his 3.5 million
    Pudge Rodriguez and his 6 million
    Mike Gonzalez and his 12 million

    all say hi.

  54. Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    one way to help replace the “depleted farm system” that some posters and Keith Law suggest, would be to capitalize on top IFA like DePaula.

    …especially before MLB (potentially) changes the draft rules to include international players

  55. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    Boston Dave XXVII
    January 27th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
    thanks GB7

    another sweepstakes!

    “”Rafael De Paula is what is called a young prodigy of the mound,” said Hector Acevedo novel scout on the right of 6 ¨ 3 of stature that pulls over the 93 miles and has excellent contrast, curve and slider to control outside serial. ”

    http://translate.google.com/tr…..ry_state0=

    ————————————————————

    Any time B. Dave. Maybe if NYYs sign DePaula, he can move the Yankees up to the 24th best farm team.

  56. Joe from Long Island January 27th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    Betsy – Absolutely. It takes two to tango.

    Well, I’ve got to leave this stimulating discussion to go to bed. Early wake up in the AM.

    Good night all.

  57. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    let’s go yankees, you need to learn me pal. I never “conveniently” do anything, because I don’t talk out of my butt. I’ve already passed the bar and now I’ve set it for you. Come back when you’ve earned your stripes.

  58. gayle January 27th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    The additional Cashman comments came from Bob Klapish vis Klapish’s twitter account as follows which is @bobklap:

    More Cashman: “Boras told me I wouldn’t find a No. 2 hitter for less than $13 million. I found one for half that (Nick Johnson).” about 2 hours ago from TweetDeck

    Cashman responds to Boras: “On Dec 17, we were told not to make an offer for a penny less than $13 million a year for two years.” about 2 hours ago from TweetDeck Retweeted by you and 7 others

  59. Shame Spencer January 27th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    Also, a lot of talk on here about Arod “dumping” Boras or going around him. Personally, I was never convinced that was anything other than a PR move. I think Boras knew it would look bad and didnt mind taking the blame and making it seem as though Alex went around him on the deal. He was still getting his cut after all, so what did he have to lose?

  60. george January 27th, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    Cashman: “On Dec. 17, Scott’s exact words were that he would not take a penny less than $13 million a year for two years. We believed him.”

    why would anyone believe Boras? This is BS. Cashman’s job is to make an offer, not to “believe”.

  61. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    “let’s go yankees, here’s a short list of players that dumped Boras:
    Gary Sheffield
    Barry Bonds
    John Danks
    Jordan Danks
    Mark Guthrie
    Kenny Rogers
    Carlos Lee
    Jay Bruce
    Luke Hochevar
    Rick Porcello”

    ——————————–

    Your point was that players dumped Boras after and probably even because of the A-rod thing/other “mistakes” he has made recently.

    Half that list is guys who dumped him years ago and the other half I am pretty sure happened before the A-rod thing

  62. Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    GB7,

    my sentiments exactly!

  63. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    lets go yankees
    January 27th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
    Trisha,

    You also conveniently forgot to answer this question:

    You have said that players dumped Boras after the A-rod thing. What players have dumped him?

    ————————————————————

    To name just two, Andruw jones and Kenny Rogers.

  64. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    “Joe, I’m sure the Yankees wanted to get something done, but when you are told to blow off unless you give us what we want, there’s nothing to be done.”

    Betsy I do believe you underestimate the Yankees. I guarantee you it’s not the first time Scott Boras has used overblown bravado to set the tone for negotiations. IMO the Yankees didn’t want Damon enough to fight for him. That’s not a crime you know.

  65. blake January 27th, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    “His methods work with the elite players because demand is high and someone will pay it but for the lesser players teams are just passing to avoid all the nonsense he brings to the table.”
    ——————-
    Xavier Nady and his 5 million
    Rick Ankiel and his 3.5 million
    Pudge Rodriguez and his 6 million
    Mike Gonzalez and his 12 million
    all say hi.”

    Johnny Damon says hi. I should have said in certain cases that seems to the the situation. Several teams don’t like to deal with Boras meaning his clients have less options. I think you may see more situations like with Damon in the future after teams have called Boras on his mystery team BS.

  66. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    “ESPN’s Jorge Arangure reports that 17-year-old righty Rafael DePaula is back on the market after being suspended for a year by MLB after lying about his age. His agent hopes to have him signed within the next 15-20 days, and Arangure mentions that both the Yankees and Red Sox are interested.”

    This is a very important signing for the NYY.

  67. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    You’re welcome, BD! I think this is great because Cash is feisty…….He’s just very good at negotiating and keeping cool. I think he and Boras get along, so this is just part of the game. You can’t afford to take things personally in this business. Arte Moreno refuses to deal with any Boras clients – seems kind of silly and short-sighted to me. The key is to not let Scott intimidate as he’s a brilliant guy.

  68. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    They all dumped him after the Arod debacle. Unlike you I do my homework.

  69. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    It’s really not fair to judge an agent without considering the context of the lingering affects of a financial crisis.

  70. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    Boston Dave XXVII
    January 27th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
    GB7,

    my sentiments exactly!

    ————————————————————

    I know that IFA money comes from a different pocket, but, signings like this is what will help the Yanks stay even with the lower drafting teams. The other thing is, next year, NYY has all of their draft picks. I need to start checking sites to see what the draft choices look like.

  71. PittsburghYankeeFan January 27th, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    Bottom line: Damon is a dumba-s. He’s a ballplayer, not Einstein–that’s much is obvious.
    Take $4-5 million from A’s, as a basis for declining salary from now on, when the Yankees would have paid you the same with an opportunity for the big stage in a park you love to showcase yourself like Bobby A for 2011-2012? What a complete tool. Just like when his wife said he had “2-3 teams ready to give him a multiyear deal.
    Really nice guy. But between the Stanford mess and this, it sounds like he needs some adult supervision. Maybe Zim?
    Yankees are OK taking a flyer on Randy Winn. $2 million is chump change, and they now have the flexibility to deal around the trade deadline depending on where the team is. The R/L falloff is likely a one year fluke.
    Nick J, just so you know, the fastest way to the Hospital for Special Surgery from new YS is over the 161st street bridge and down the FDR. About 15 minutes with no traffic. Oy.

  72. stuckey January 27th, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    :Johnson is cheaper but a lesser player. Cashman was implying that they were equal players only Johnson was cheaper, I don’t think thats the case especially if were talking about Damon as a DH.”

    I think people need to stop interpreting what Cashman means, because man people are terrible at it.

    He didn’t say he was equal to Damon, he he got a #2 hitter for $5m, those are NOT the same things.

    And this is what I’ve found so frustrating about all this Damon talk. Is that so many people are thinking in a box. Limiting their thinking to “leftfield” or comparing one player to one other.

    You’ve got to look at the changes not only as a whole, but ALSO in context to the constant aspects of the Yankee team.

    This team won it all walking away and they’re now better on paper. Which makes all the micro-handwringing inexplicable.

  73. Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    “IMO the Yankees didn’t want Damon enough to fight for him. That’s not a crime you know.”

    ————

    it seems to be partly that and also a case of not letting Boras string them along while they missed out on the alternative(s).

    They would have lost out on Nick Johnson, who they may have felt was the only other suitable #2 hitter on the market.

    Once they signed Nick, the need for Damon evaporated and he became a luxury. If the price was right, great. If not, no thanks.

    It’s also possible that the Yanks really do want to show the rest of MLB that they aren’t going to spend at all costs and show some responsibility with regard to payroll – in preparation for a new CBA in 2011. I believe their payroll has gone down 2 years in a row (no small feat?). Had it not, it might have given those “poor” owners even more reason to vote to hike the luxury tax even higher to stick it to the Yankees for years to come.

  74. gfd January 27th, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    Terry
    Scott Boras was a brilliant litigator for the drug industry, fighting their battles, against lawsuits. He has a Dr of Pharmacy degree. The reason he switched to baseball was a loop hole in their contract, and to help the little people.

    (choking as I ask) Boras has a degree in Pharmacy science, and how many of his clients have been under steroid suspicion, and or list?

  75. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    Trisha, exactly how am I underestimating the Yankees? I think Cashman played his hand brilliantly. He wanted Damon, just not at Damon’s price. Cash knows exactly how to handle Boras… but if he’s frustrated with the super agent, I don’t blame him. There was never any sign from Damon/Boras that they were interested in negotiating. Did they think the Yankees would cave? I’m thrilled that they did not. From now on, Boras/other agents/teams/players had best get used to the idea that there are two new sheriffs in town (Hal and Cash).

    As to this De Paula fella, is there even any $$$ left in the coffers?

  76. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    “To name just two, Andruw jones and Kenny Rogers.”

    ———————-

    I am almost positive Andruw Jones is still represented by Boras and Cot’s has him listed as his agent

    Kenny Rogers did not hire anyone else to be his agent. He wanted to negotiate with teams on his own and presumably not have to pay a commission.

  77. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    Correction:

    help the Yanks stay even with the ***higher*** drafting teams

  78. stuckey January 27th, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    “This is a very important signing for the NYY.”

    Don’t know anything about Rafael DePaula. What can you tell us about him Rich?

  79. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    They dropped him since Arod signed with the Yankees is what I meant to say. Most after the WS embarrassment, some before.

  80. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    I don’t get the idea of the Yankees not wanting to fight for him. It’s as simple as the fact that they wanted him at their price….period. Bidding against themselves would have been stupid. The Yankees continue to get knocked for doing something the Sox get praised for.

  81. Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    stuckey,

    I posted a link a little ways up with one report on him.
    GB7 or Rich may have more info too…

  82. Ham Fighters January 27th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    the yankees were never giving damon a 2nd year. boras’s statement just gave cashman cover. i predict damon will be out of baseball before that 2 year deal would have ended.

  83. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    Bets, I’m just not as sure as you are that the Yankees wanted Damon back that badly.

  84. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    CB

    “It is to a certain degree, but substantively it’s even more so an issue of culture and common practice.”

    There’s an important factor that we are in the dark about. That is, did Damon tell Boras that he was unwilling to play for the Yankees unless they offered him x amount of dollars?

    A lot of people here are killing Boras, bu the may have been following Damon’s instructions.

    Irrespective of that, Boras, like any agent, wanted the Yankees involved in the process until a final decision was made. Cash didn’t want to be used, and that’s probably why he made a move. Unfortunately, imo, he made the wrong one.

  85. vinny-b January 27th, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    “It takes two to tango”
    ——————————–

    says Adam Sandler

  86. ariel January 27th, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    Most simply put, I don’t think Cashman/Girardi wanted Damon back for reasons quite similar to Abreu last year. Girardi is “old school” baseball..he stresses sound pitching and excellent defense. In 08 he was not happy with Abreu’s wall-shy tendencies and his reluctance to come in aggressively on a ball. The best we can say for Damon is that he is “defensively challenged” and that is being nice. Girard often times looked like he had a severe case of heartburn whenever the cameras focussed on him after a classic Damon defensive mishap (or, almost mishap). Just as was the case with Abreu, it will never be acknowledged, but given what ultimately unfolded these two years, it is most reasonable to conclude that they simply did not want either one back.

  87. Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    how about a minor league offer for Jonny Gomes?

    or Marcus Thames, Reed Johnson, Baldelli…

    some of these guys aren’t going to get signed to major league deals, it seems.

  88. joemomma January 27th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    i feel sad for boras clients

  89. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    “Don’t know anything about Rafael DePaula. What can you tell us about him Rich?”

    This link will tell you all you need to know:

    http://insider.espn.go.com/esp.....e_jorge_jr

  90. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    Trish, I do think they genuinely wanted him back, but not THAT badly.

  91. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    “They dropped him since Arod signed with the Yankees is what I meant to say. Most after the WS embarrassment, some before.”

    ————————-

    Can you please rephrase that, because the WS thing came before A-rod signed with the Yankees

  92. joemomma January 27th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    This Just In : Scott Boras Demands $35 Million To Rescue Drowning Child

  93. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    No thanks on Baldelli. Even at a minor league deal, you never know when he’s going to be able to take the field or not. Spending even $1 on him would be a waste of money

  94. Bronx Jeers January 27th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    Those reporting of Boras’ demise are speaking prematurely.

    All right so the guy’s not batting 1,000 anymore but he’s still in the .990′s or something.

    I’ve read he failed with Arod. Really? Arod opting out got him the richest contract in the history of baseball.

    Yeah Arod looked like a loser for a while but lets face it, it wasn’t exactly a big dropoff from his image prior.

    The Yankees and Boras will do business again. Maybe not next year as I scan a list of his clients but they’ll be dance partners again eventually.

  95. ray (sox fan) January 27th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    What is this world coming to????

    I am agreeing with trisha this evening! :)

    Just some “friendly harassment” trisha.

  96. blake January 27th, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    “I think people need to stop interpreting what Cashman means, because man people are terrible at it.”

    ok, Boras told him he couldn’t find a #2 hitter for less than 13M and Cashman replied that he found one for less than half that. Of course you can find one cheaper, he could have signed somebody even cheaper than NJ if he wanted to. Why even make that statement if he wasn’t comparing the players.

    “This team won it all walking away and they’re now better on paper. Which makes all the micro-handwringing inexplicable.”

    Theres no hand-wringing, its just discussion. The Yankees are better defensively and their starting pitching is better but I think they’ve taken a step back offensively. Now they still have the best lineup in baseball so taking away from a strength and adding to weaknesses is probably a good thing but they did lose two of their best clutch hitters, two players they wouldn’t have won the WS without in 2009 (Damon and Matsui) and I don’t think that can be discounted.

  97. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    “They all dumped him after the Arod debacle. Unlike you I do my homework.”

    ———————–

    If that is the HW you are handing in, I would have to give you a very low grade, because it is not very accurate…

  98. CB January 27th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    Rafael DePaula has a very good arm. He would be a nice signing. He’s not a “must” sign kind of guy but he would be a very nice addition to the lower minors.

    Also, international free agents coming off these suspensions really take a hit in their dollar values coming back – probably a disproportionate hit to what their talent is.

  99. jennifer January 27th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    Rand winn?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01.....38;emc=rss

    So long Johnny. :-(

  100. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    lets go yankees
    January 27th, 2010 at 10:46 pm
    “To name just two, Andruw jones and Kenny Rogers.”

    ———————-

    I am almost positive Andruw Jones is still represented by Boras and Cot’s has him listed as his agent

    Kenny Rogers did not hire anyone else to be his agent. He wanted to negotiate with teams on his own and presumably not have to pay a commission.

    ————————————————————

    They all happened within 2 weeks of each other.

    “On December 17, 2007, Variety reported that Alex Rodriguez had fired Scott Boras, and hired former record company executive Guy Oseary as his agent.[102]

    Kenny Rogers announced on November 16, 2007 that he had fired Boras as his agent and would deal directly with teams when negotiating his contract for the 2008 season.

    On December 5, 2007, Boras client Andruw Jones agreed to a two-year deal with the Los Angeles Dodgers, worth $36.2 million. He continued to struggle, hitting below .200 for most of the season. Additionally, he had only 10 hits in 116 at-bats with runners in scoring position. Due to his lack of production, Jones was dropped to eighth in the Dodger line-up. This was the first time since 1998 that Jones had hit eighth in any line-up.

    On December 12, 2008, Boras client Jeremy Guthrie fired Boras. He hired a pair of agents, Casey Close and Brodie Van Wagenen, citing that he felt the two were a “better fit for me and my career.”

  101. austinmac January 27th, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    Cashman seems pretty steamed with Boras. It is not often he gets into a war of words. It makes it seem that he did want Damon to return, and he believes Boras was way out of line.

  102. vinny-b January 27th, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    “i feel sad for boras clients”
    —————————————

    I feel sad for people in third-world nations. And people who have to work hard for a living.

  103. blake January 27th, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    Winn was a 4.6 WAR player in 2008.

  104. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    GB, how are you doing?

  105. CB January 27th, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    Rich,

    I agree with you and my guess is that this is much more Damon than it is Boras.

    I don’t think Johnny wanted to take a pay cut from the yanks after the season he had.

    Boras likely augmented that by pushing Damon to try to get the best money deal possible and “test” the market. It’s in Boras’s interest to do so because from the Boras Inc perspective the “home run” contracts are what they are known for and those contracts make the sub-optimal client deals fade from memory.

    But on the whole I think the biggest factor in this was Damon. Agents work for the players. Boras in turn tried to execute a strategy to get his client what he wanted.

    I would say however that part of an agent’s job on some level is to advise this client of what the true dynamics of the market are. And this is just an intuition, but it doesn’t seem Boras does much of that. While the client drives the process Boras does seem to move them towards taking more and more risk. And in a down market that strategy is paying off at the same frequency.

  106. vinny-b January 27th, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    “how about a minor league offer for Jonny Gomes?
    or Marcus Thames, Reed Johnson, Baldelli…”
    —————————————————

    sign me up for a Rocko Baldelli spring training invite. And then dump Randy Winn in May

  107. number18 January 27th, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    RANDY WINN has already ruined my day and he hasnt even struck out in a yankee uniform yet…

  108. Rachel January 27th, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    Everyone knows if Cashman really wanted Damon he would of gotten a deal done. Cash knew that another team isn’t going to pay him more than $5m and he wasn’t going to pay the Yankee “we have money surcharge”. If Damon was in his prime Cash would of made sure he was back.

  109. talltenor January 27th, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    I think Carl Crawford has been the end game all along. Why lock up JD for two years, and miss the chance for Crawford? Granderson for Melky is an upgrade, and Gardner/Winn for JD is a wash (fewer homers, equal BA, better defense).

    I liked JD’s personality, and he was indeed a good Yankee, but he’s not worth losing a chance for Crawford.

  110. A-ROD! A-ROD! January 27th, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    Just tuning in to this news now, but it is just really strikingly stupid to me.

    It just sounds like Cashman has some kind of personal vendetta(s) that is getting in the way of his baseball judgement.

    Damon is obviously worth 4MM more than Winn, in any situation.

  111. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    “They all happened within 2 weeks of each other.”

    ——————–

    Kenny Rogers: Yes. But, again I highly doubt the Alex thing had anything to do with that. Rogers and Boras did not have the best relationship prior to that and it is not like Rogers left for some other agent.

    Jones: I am not seeing where it says he fired Boras

    Guthrie: Happened over a year later

  112. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    ray (sox fan)
    January 27th, 2010 at 10:54 pm
    What is this world coming to????

    I am agreeing with trisha this evening!

    Just some “friendly harassment” trisha.

    ————————————————————

    No kidding. You agreeing with Trisha. Me thinking Yaz is a man’s dog and “not a poodle”. Sure sign of the apocalypse.

  113. haiku-man January 27th, 2010 at 11:09 pm

    Johnny Damon HAS to be angry with Boras, and himself. He watched the Yankees spend their limit while waiting to come back on some pipe dream amount Boras sold him.

    Hope Cashman knows Boras will be something to deal with the next time he can manipulate the market.

    Wow Johnny Damon reduced to bargain status.

  114. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Bets, we agree.

    :)

    The WS thing is when Arod and Boras announced that Arod was opting out of his contract. It was after that that Warren Buffet and Goldman Sacs had to intervene in order to get the Yankees to talk to Arod. That was in 2007.

    In 2008 Kenny Rogers left Boras.
    In 2008 John Danks and Jordan Danks left Boras.
    In 2008 Mark Guthrie left Boras.
    In 2009 Rick Porcello left Boras.

    Porcello may well have left Boras after watching how effective Boras was for Jason Varitek.

  115. CB January 27th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    “Winn was a 4.6 WAR player in 2008.”

    Some people are putting too much emphasis on Winn’s season in 2009.

    He had a terrible year but the two years before that he was a decent to good ball player.

    And those two prior years count. Not everything in 2010 is contingent on 2009. Track records before the immediate season prior matter, even for a 35 year old.

    If he puts up a .780 OPS in LF with good defense he’d be a very nice addition. As valuable as Damon? No. But given the circumstances a “good move” given the context.

  116. teddy January 27th, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    great job cashman, sorry erica

  117. ray (sox fan) January 27th, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    “No kidding. You agreeing with Trisha. Me thinking Yaz is a man’s dog and “not a poodle”. Sure sign of the apocalypse.”

    ———————————————————-

    LMAO!! GB, say hi to Nurse Karloff for me. :)

  118. Bronx Jeers January 27th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    Alex Rodriguez needs a sports agent about as much as I do these days.

    I’m sure Boras got his cut.

  119. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    Betsy – Romine wasn’t built in a day
    January 27th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
    GB, how are you doing?

    ————————————————————

    Doing great, Betsy. Thanks for asking. How have you been doing, besides fighting of the gnat stings of some of the board idiots?

  120. PittsburghYankeeFan January 27th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    They wanted Damon as the DH, #2 hitter. They were willing to pay him as such. he wanted too much. They found Nick Johnson as the DH #2 hitter. End of story.

    They liked Damon in the clubhouse. They thought he was a good guy, and still had something left. They were willing to go to $4-5 million or so, maybe with incentives. Damon thought he was worth more. End of story, part two.

    Enjoy Oakland or the Rays, Johnny. You’re a good guy and we’ll miss you.

    Yankees wanted an experienced but cheap outfielder to back up GBBG. They now have one. It’s an interesting gamble, but worst case they have a guy who defensively plays all 3 positions, and basically is Melky Cabrera for $2 million less. Best case is near Bobby Abreu for $7 million less. Not a bad deal at all.

  121. Rachel January 27th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    I am sure Tampa the Braves or some other broke team sees Damon in the sale aisle and can’t wait to pick him up for nothing. I hope he enjoy’s being on a 3rd place team. Good for Cashman to come out and make a statement. I am sure he is sick and tired of Boras and his bs. With Tex it was worth dealing with Boras because of the level of player he is. Damon wasn’t worth it.

  122. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    “What is this world coming to????

    I am agreeing with trisha this evening!”

    I’ve always said that you were an extremely bright fellow!

    :)

  123. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    Trish, I love agreeing with you! I need to learn how to make those smiley faces, though!

    Players are human – sometimes they just have bad years. As far as I’m concerned, I’m welcoming Randy Winn to the team with open arms. He sounds like he was a pretty good guy and that he wanted to be here. I’m going to think positive about him.

  124. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    GB, I’m so glad to hear that.

    I took a nice little break, but I honestly couldn’t stay away, lol. What can I say? I’m addicted! Actually, the time I wasn’t posting away here (my break), I spent a lot of time off the computer and that felt good….

  125. vinny-b January 27th, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    Keith Law ranked the NYY farm system 25th.

    Keith Law ranked the Boston farm system 2nd.

    is it ok if Keith Law’s name and credibility is never brought up again?

  126. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    ray (sox fan)
    January 27th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
    “No kidding. You agreeing with Trisha. Me thinking Yaz is a man’s dog and “not a poodle”. Sure sign of the apocalypse.”

    ———————————————————-

    LMAO!! GB, say hi to Nurse Karloff for me.

    ————————————————————

    You bet. I’ll send a hard up gigolo to giver her some loving and say that it’s you.

  127. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    Gary Sheffield: Fired Boras in 2003
    Barry Bonds: Do not think he ever fired Boras. Would gladly change that statement with a source.
    John Danks and Jordan Danks: 2009, so you were right there
    Mark Guthrie: I think you mean Jeremy Guthrie, but 2008 so right again
    Kenny Rogers: Few weeks after
    Carlos Lee: Fired Boras in 2006
    Jay Bruce: Fired Boras in 2005
    Luke Hochevar: Boras is still his agent
    Rick Porcello: 2009, so you were right

    So we have John Danks, Jordan Danks, and Porcello 2 years after the A-rod thing. Guthrie 1 year later. And Kenny Rogers a few weeks later. Not seeing the players firing Boras because of A-rod or even for his other mistakes.

  128. Tom in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    According to BB-reference, Randy Winn leads active players with 1,601 games and no postseason appearance

  129. stuckey January 27th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    “Why even make that statement if he wasn’t comparing the players.”

    Because some people understand in order to find an effective #2 hitter for THIS PARTICULAR team, you don’t need to replicate Johnny Damon, you need to find a player who skills translate to the role.

    Nick Johnson simply by working pitchers and walking at career norms in front of Teixeira/Rodriquez/Granderson-Posada, will be a good #2 hitter for the YANKEES.

    “Theres no hand-wringing, its just discussion.”

    Really? You reading the same blog I am…?? :-)

    “Two players they wouldn’t have won the WS without in 2009 (Damon and Matsui) and I don’t think that can be discounted.”

    Blake, you’re a smart guy but this is a dumb argument.

    There is NO argument other than a purely romantic emotional one you can mount that effectively proves the Yankees would have lost the World Series without Damon and Matsui.

    The ONLY way you can do it is you assume that whoever might have played in their place did NOTHING with the opportunities Damon and Matsui had (and you can’t do that), but even if you did you’d THEN ALSO have to demonstrate that those lost opportunities definitively means the Phillies would have won 4 games before the Yankees did.

    Damon’s AB particularly just helped the Yankees win the game in the 9th. I’ve seen others suggest the Yanks would have definitely lost that game had he not wound up on third base and it’s wrong and dumb each and every time.

  130. randyhater January 27th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    “This team won it all walking away and they’re now better on paper.”

    “On paper” being the operative words. Believing that Granderson, Johnson and Vazquez are all going to waltz into the pressure of a NY pennant race without missing a beat (and Winn is going to waltz in and have a bounceback year) is to me irresponsibly optimistic and begs the question: Why not just stick with the same team that won it all walking away?

    When’s the last time a championship squad flushed their 2-hitter, their 5-hitter (and WSMVP) and their young, switch-hitting CF, (all of whom were available for one-year deals no less!) to get marginally better “on paper”? And while doing so brought back a guy who failed miserably his first time under the bright lights?

    I think Cashman has lost his mind and is making changes just to prove how smart he is. His embarassing “do they think I’m stupid” quotes, his apparently never even having made Damon an offer, and now his childish twitter war with Boras are all just more evidence.

    Somebody needs to sit him down and remind him that his job is making us the best team we can be, not one-uping Scott Boras.

  131. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    “Damon is obviously worth 4MM more than Winn, in any situation.”

    Yeah – to a team that wants or needs his services. The Yankees are apparently convinced they can win without him – as am I.

    :)

    Next!

  132. biz January 27th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    Boras definitely screwed Damon on this one. i think hes still a premier agent though. didnt he get Ankiel 3.5 mill and we signed Winn for 2 and they both had equally bad years last year

  133. Bronx Jeers January 27th, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    These guys on MLB network are killing the Yanks and Winn.

    I’m staying positive for Randy though!

  134. Tom in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

    Montero ranked 19th best prospect by MLB.com

  135. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Betsy – Romine wasn’t built in a day
    January 27th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
    GB, I’m so glad to hear that.

    I took a nice little break, but I honestly couldn’t stay away, lol. What can I say? I’m addicted! Actually, the time I wasn’t posting away here (my break), I spent a lot of time off the computer and that felt good….

    ————————————————————

    That’s good, betsy. Don’t let the idiots get to you and run you off. Just keep saying what you feel. Everyone else does.

  136. Pat M. January 27th, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    I’m impressed that Our Tricia is being greeted with such affection for the 2010 season…..Absense makes a heart grow fonder…That being said, Spring Training has yet to begin…Makes me wonder how long the 1020 Honeymoon will last……She’s a tough cookie to deal with at times…..Her seasonal evolution is always of great interest for me to observe….I’m looking forward to this season…….Welecome back Tricia….I do miss it when you’re gone, regardless on what side of the fence we’re on …

  137. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    lets go yankees
    January 27th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
    Gary Sheffield: Fired Boras in 2003
    Barry Bonds: Do not think he ever fired Boras. Would gladly change that statement with a source.
    John Danks and Jordan Danks: 2009, so you were right there
    Mark Guthrie: I think you mean Jeremy Guthrie, but 2008 so right again
    Kenny Rogers: Few weeks after
    Carlos Lee: Fired Boras in 2006
    Jay Bruce: Fired Boras in 2005
    Luke Hochevar: Boras is still his agent
    Rick Porcello: 2009, so you were right

    So we have John Danks, Jordan Danks, and Porcello 2 years after the A-rod thing. Guthrie 1 year later. And Kenny Rogers a few weeks later. Not seeing the players firing Boras because of A-rod or even for his other mistakes.

    ————————————————————

    So? You were half right. I’ll send you a half a cookie. It means nothing, so just drop it.

  138. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    GB, thanks for the encouragement

    Montero only 19th? That’s disappointing….and surprising.

    LOL Wow, so MLB is killing the Yankees – what else is new?

  139. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    “Porcello may well have left Boras after watching how effective Boras was for Jason Varitek.”

    —————–

    I cannot imagine what happened with a 37 year old catcher at the end of his career had anything at all to do with a 21 year old’s decision to fire his agent who has not even reached arbitration yet.

    Boras has not taken a hit at all since the A-rod thing or his mistake with Varitek. He has lost a few clients, but as your list proves as with every other agent he has always lost clients here and there.

  140. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    So? You were half right. I’ll send you a half a cookie. It means nothing, so just drop it.

    ———————–

    I am pretty sure the topic of this thread is Scott Boras, so it is actually quite relevant to the conversation.

  141. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    Bets, feel the same way about Randy Winn. Welcome Randy! He’s ours now, and I have a feeling he is going to play well for us. I’m excited about seeing him play and excited about our 2010 Yankees!!!

    “Somebody needs to sit him down and remind him that his job is making us the best team we can be, not one-uping Scott Boras.”

    On the other hand, there are quite a few of us who feel that he has more than done his job and that we’ll be just fine without Damon.

    I don’t mind if I’m the only one here who is actually relieved that Damon won’t be back. After I watched him limp off the field during Game 6 of the WS and underrun two balls, I decided that having to sit a player during the season in order to keep him healthy for the postseason – not that it worked, mind you – wasn’t necessarily the best way to run a team.

    Buh-bye Johnny. Good luck getting 4 years with another team.

  142. blake January 27th, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    “There is NO argument other than a purely romantic emotional one you can mount that effectively proves the Yankees would have lost the World Series without Damon and Matsui.”

    Obviously I can’t prove they would have lost the WS without Damon or Matsui but I don’t see how you can deny their impact on the series.

  143. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    Thanks Pat M. You’ve always given me credit for my feist!

    :)

    let’s go yankees, were you alive during the 2007 world series? Do you remember the national embarrassment that Boras caused and the major hit he took everywhere when he pulled that asinine stunt? Do you remember Arod throwing him under the bus publicly? Do you remember the days when Scott Boras spoke and teams jumped? Do you see GMs paying him the same kind of heed any more?

    I remember all of it.

  144. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    lets go yankees
    January 27th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
    So? You were half right. I’ll send you a half a cookie. It means nothing, so just drop it.

    ———————–

    I am pretty sure the topic of this thread is Scott Boras, so it is actually quite relevant to the conversation.

    ————————————————————

    You’re right about 10% of the time just like Chimp and you crow about it while ignoring the 90% of the time that you’re wrong.

  145. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    “I cannot imagine what happened with a 37 year old catcher at the end of his career had anything at all to do with a 21 year old’s decision to fire his agent who has not even reached arbitration yet.”

    Good Lord can you think at all? It has nothing to do with the age of the catcher and where he is in his career. It is more of Boras playing his hand poorly and getting caught with his pants down.

  146. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    “let’s go yankees, were you alive during the 2007 world series? Do you remember the national embarrassment that Boras caused and the major hit he took everywhere when he pulled that asinine stunt? Do you remember Arod throwing him under the bus publicly? Do you remember the days when Scott Boras spoke and teams jumped? Do you see GMs paying him the same kind of heed any more?”

    ———————

    I do remember all that and I also remember all that working out perfectly for Alex just as Boras predicted it would. I cannot imagine changing a thing considering the end result. The economy is to blame for teams not jumping at his offers, but at the end of the day he gets the job done and done very well 99% of the time. Just see how well he did for Matt Holliday even though no team was jumping at his sales pitch

  147. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    “Good Lord can you think at all? It has nothing to do with the age of the catcher and where he is in his career. It is more of Boras playing his hand poorly and getting caught with his pants down.”

    ——————–

    I can think and I would be willing to bet everything I had in the bank that Jason Varitek never crossed Rick Porcello’s mind when he fired Scott Boras. You honestly think a 21 year on the brink of starting a great career, looked at what happened with Varitek and said, “oh man, I gotta get rid of this guy.” That is absurd.

  148. stuckey January 27th, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    “Obviously I can’t prove they would have lost the WS without Damon or Matsui but I don’t see how you can deny their impact on the series.”

    I can’t. And you can’t deny Damon’s lack of impact on the Minnesota series, or Matsui’s underwhelming performance in that series AND the Angels series, BOTH of which the Yankees won.

    This is simply how baseball works. Attempting to carry over past results to future opportunities is entertaining but worthless.

    The idea that next World Series the difference will be the production that these players HAPPENED to have in the 2009 post-season is not only an entirely romantic notion, it more than likely defies simple odds as well.

  149. Phil the Thrill January 27th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    I assume we’ll be right back on DePaula, we were locking him up when he was suspspeneded and we alread re-signed Arredondo/Perez who was in the same position.

  150. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    Barry Bonds’ agent is Jeff Borris. He fired Beelzebub Boras.

  151. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    Like I said Boras loses a client or two every year and has done so throughout his entire career. Nothing has changed in the past few years. His client base has only continued to increase and everyone in baseball knows he is the best in the game.

  152. Ray January 27th, 2010 at 11:40 pm

    http://nugmansemails.blogspot.com/

  153. Phil the Thrill January 27th, 2010 at 11:40 pm

    MLB.com und Network get their marching orders from Comrade Bud.

  154. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    “I can think and I would be willing to bet everything I had in the bank that Jason Varitek never crossed Rick Porcello’s mind when he fired Scott Boras. You honestly think a 21 year on the brink of starting a great career, looked at what happened with Varitek and said, “oh man, I gotta get rid of this guy.” That is absurd.”

    No I think he looked at what happened with Arod and how Boras was relegated to sitting OUTSIDE of the negotiations and then saw how Varitek almost didn’t get signed at all after listening to Boras’s typical overblown bravado and said, “Man oh man, this guy is bad news. Let me find a more honest and effective agent. See ya now Satan!”

  155. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    Gb – so bitter yet again. Upset Obama didn’t say more about don’t ask don’t tell?

  156. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    “You’re right about 10% of the time just like Chimp and you crow about it while ignoring the 90% of the time that you’re wrong.”

    ———————–

    I did not realize you decided who was right or wrong about things on this blog.

  157. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    So GB what else is new? How are the twins doing?

    (tangential reference to baseball – twins)

    :)

  158. teejay7 January 27th, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    SS-Jeter
    DH-Johnson
    1B-Teixeira
    3B-A-Rod
    CF-Granderson
    C-Posada
    2B-Cano
    RF-Swisher
    LF-Gardner/Winn

    Yanks had a great offseason. I like there lineup they have a good combination of guys with power, high batting averages and obp and guys with speed. They have a very good starting rotation and deep bullpen.

  159. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    trisha,

    How do you explain his client base continuing to grow in the past few years then?

  160. pat January 27th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    “Damon is obviously worth 4MM more than Winn, in any situation.”

    When did Johnny say he would take $6M?

    Last numbers Johnny was rumored to toss out there was 2/$20M.

  161. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    “I did not realize you decided who was right or wrong about things on this blog.”

    It’s in the TOS. GB has been appointed as the arbiter of right or wrong for the 2010 season. You have to apply for the job and then be interviewed by Chad, Sam, and Josh.

  162. Mike_Boston January 27th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    if Winn gets regular playing time, it will give them FOUR switch hitters.

    that’s gotta be the most in MLB, no?

    Tex
    Posada
    Swisher
    Winn
    —————————————————
    They had 4 last year with Melky, but he was a regular.

  163. stuckey January 27th, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    “Believing that Granderson, Johnson and Vazquez are all going to waltz into the pressure of a NY pennant race without missing a beat (and Winn is going to waltz in and have a bounceback year) is to me irresponsibly optimistic and begs the question: Why not just stick with the same team that won it all walking away?”

    First question I want answered is what evidence exists that suggests it’s actually harder to perform in NY than anywhere else????

    Seriously.

    It’s a narrative that people like repeating, but does it have any real statistical relevance? Does evidence exists that MOST players have worse years as Yankees and only the rare, exceptional player excels?

    If there is, I’d like to see it.

    Vasquez is actually a perfect example of this cliche’. He had a bad half year and post-season, an occurrence that’s happened to MANY otherwise good players for every franchise in the sport.

    So why can a good player have a bad year in Oakland, but if a good player has a bad year in NY, it’s because he melted under the pressure and the bright lights?

    It’s a notion that FANS fall in love with, because it allows them to believe performing here is special. But again, IF real, there would be statistical support.

    Let me see it.

    “When’s the last time a championship squad flushed their 2-hitter, their 5-hitter (and WSMVP) and their young, switch-hitting CF, (all of whom were available for one-year deals no less!) to get marginally better “on paper”? ”

    Find me an example of it happening to detrimental effect, and you got yourself an argument.

    And while doing so brought back a guy who failed miserably his first time under the bright lights?

    “Somebody needs to sit him down and remind him that his job is making us the best team we can be,”

    I think what you really mean to say is you think his job is to build the team YOU think he should.

    This is the frankly embarrassing part of fandom. You disagree with Cashman’s judgment (which is fine), but instead of just reading the tea leaves differently, you need to explain the disagreement by assuming nefarious motivations for Cashman.

    Like’s he’s irresponsible for not agreeing with YOU.

    Self-possessed much?

  164. Nick in SF in Larkspur January 27th, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    What are the stats on client acquisition/retention for baseball agents? How does Boras stack up? What has happened to his overall client list since 2007? How did his clients do with their contracts in 2008 and 2009 compared with the overall free agent class? How did his newly drafted clients do in 2009?

    These are not rhetorical questions, I have no idea.

  165. Vito January 27th, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    I loved Damon, sad to see him gone like Matsui but it’s time. He had a leg cramp/calf issue every other game it seemed and it will only get worse. 2009 is the apex of great runs by Matsui and Damon but we needed to get longer and more athletic and we have. That said Winn is not exciting at all. Would have much preferred a reed johnson/gardner platoon. I have to hope that the Yanks have 10 million in reserve to buy a bench 7/31 for the postseason. Hinske/hairston type acquisitions then will be a must. I like Pena, Cervelli, AAAA OF types but not in October – I prefer to have MLB vets then.

  166. m January 27th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    I could care less about Boras losing or gaining clients. I’m chill with the Winn signing. (Will he be the Winn beneath a PGF’s wings?)

    What’s really fascinating is this nasty separation that Boras and Cashman seem to be going through. I think they’ll eventually reconcile when one side or the other really needs something.

    But I’m loving Cash’s attitude. Looks like he’s had enough of Boras’ smirking hyperbole (I may be projecting here).

    We got a taste of it the other day with “wake up and smell the coffee” and “do they think I’m stupid?”. Very uncharacteristic for the usually unflappable general manager.

    We’re (at least most of us) are behind you all the way, Cash.

  167. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    If GB is the arbiter of right and wrong then this blog is in serious trouble because, Chad’s mailbox is going to be flooded with appeals

  168. stuckey January 28th, 2010 at 12:01 am

    “Hinske/hairston type acquisitions then will be a must.”

    2009 postseason 11-4 (15 games)

    Eric Hinske 2009 Postseason: 0 ABs 1 BB 1 Run

    Jerry Hairston Jr. 2009 Postseason: 2/8 (.250), 2 total bases, 1 run scored.

    Vito, this is a assumption you might want to reconsider.

  169. melky gardner January 28th, 2010 at 12:03 am

    Boras is a cancer on the sport.

    Having said that, it was pretty obvious where this was going. I think the Yankees should have held their noses and tried harder. The Winn signing looks weak when compared to the lift of bringing back (the aging but still great) Damon. I thought me might keep Matsui or Damon, but we’ve not only lost both of them but Melky too.

    It’s hard to get excited about the outfield next year.

  170. melky gardner January 28th, 2010 at 12:04 am

    Well, okay, there’s Grandy. :)

  171. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 28th, 2010 at 12:06 am

    My contention is not that Boras cannot get any clients, it is that he does not command the respect he did in the past nor does he have the cachet. GMs now toy with him the way a cat plays with a ball of yarn.

    I personally trace the beginning of his slide to his totally whacked out announcement during the2007 world series. He was unequivocally exposed as a fraud and a liar at the time. “Rodriguez said Boras gave him the impression the Yankees weren’t interested in bringing him back, which surprised him.”

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....rod13.html

    Anyway, it’s all good. IMO this was a good day for the Yanks and I am pleased that Damon is no longer part of the Yankee plan.

    I’ll sleep well.

    :)

    Night all.

  172. Rich in NJ January 28th, 2010 at 12:08 am

    “Boras is a cancer on the sport.”

    It’s not like he imposes his will on his clients. They hire him. So if we are looking to assign blame, it should be on the players.

  173. Ninja Burglar January 28th, 2010 at 12:08 am

    Here is an aspect that i think is being missed here.

    There’s talk of crediting Boras with getting Holliday a huge deal, and therefore Boras is still a great agent. I’m not trying to discredit that. But I think the Holliday and Damon situations are closely connected.

    If Damon signs a deal early in the offseason, the Yankees are out of the picture for a left fielder. How do you think that affects St. Louis’s view of the market? If that happens, the Yankees are out of the picture for Holliday and San Diego has more leverage for negotiating a lesser deal for Holliday. Who else was gonna pay that kind of coin?

    In essence, I think Boras used Damon here to benefit Holliday. By keeping the bid too high, he kept the Yankees without a LF while he negotiated with St Louis for a big deal on Holliday. Great for Holliday, bad for Damon, and Boras still gets paid.

  174. m January 28th, 2010 at 12:09 am

    Glad you caught yourself. Because with Gardy and Granderson in the outfield a lot of ground will be covered. Winn looks pretty athletic, and Swisher’s…well he’s Swisher. Always good for a laugh now and then.

    What you’re probably trying to say is that you’re not excited about the offense, right?

    But we’re talking about the #9 hitter. It’ll be interesting to see how our 9-spot compares to the other AL #9 hitters.

    I know Gardner can outhit Varitek!

  175. Bronx Jeers January 28th, 2010 at 12:10 am

    I root for laundry. Most of us here do.

    But man Randy Winn’s 2009 season is an awfully dirty pair of socks.

    Raise High The Roof Beam, Carpenters!

  176. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 28th, 2010 at 12:10 am

    melky gardner – indeed there’s Grandy!!!

    I’m a glass totally full kind of kid, so I’m looking foward to Winn’s defense and Gardy’s speed. Add Grandy to that, we might end up with a rather spiffy OF.

    GO DEFENSE!

    :)

  177. Ninja Burglar January 28th, 2010 at 12:10 am

    St. Louis, not San Diego. Sorry…

  178. Rich in NJ January 28th, 2010 at 12:11 am

    “If Damon signs a deal early in the offseason, the Yankees are out of the picture for a left fielder. ”

    Except Cash said he was never interested in Holliday.

  179. lets go yankees January 28th, 2010 at 12:11 am

    “Rodriguez said Boras gave him the impression the Yankees weren’t interested in bringing him back, which surprised him.”

    —————–

    A-rod also had this wonderful quote in regard to steroids in that article: “What’s going on right now is very unfortunate. I think our game is going to rebound.”

    He is not exactly the most credible source

  180. Nick in SF in Larkspur January 28th, 2010 at 12:15 am

    Sorry, m, but I was curious about how Boras is doing and there are some experts in the state of his business on the board.

  181. Rich in NJ January 28th, 2010 at 12:16 am

    If Boras did such a bad job with A-Rod, why was in one of his closest advisors when he contemplated hip surgery?

  182. GreenBeret7 January 28th, 2010 at 12:17 am

    trisha – OPPC forever – (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS!
    January 27th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
    So GB what else is new? How are the twins doing?

    (tangential reference to baseball – twins)

    ————————————————————

    I’m too smart for you. I can see right away that this has nothing to do with baseball. You didn’t capitalize the “T”.

    The kids are going great. Had them on camera tonight. They’ve finally started to drool. They are growing, but, poor Sidney is always going to be a tiny thing. She looks like her great-grandma and her mother….gorgeous. Blonde, curley hair with green eyes. Tony has brown hair and brown eyes, but, he’s a little cutie. Neither one can spell worth a darned, though. They take after their great-grandma, I guess.

  183. Rich in NJ January 28th, 2010 at 12:18 am

    Edit: why was he one of…

  184. m January 28th, 2010 at 12:19 am

    Oh, Nick. It was a comment in general. Nothing directed at you personally!

  185. Nick in SF in Larkspur January 28th, 2010 at 12:21 am

    I didn’t take it personally!

    But I like to stand up for the little people who might think you’re too tough.

  186. m January 28th, 2010 at 12:21 am

    Rich,

    Because there probably wasn’t a rift. Why would Boras make one of the most important decisions of A-rod’s career without consulting him?

  187. m January 28th, 2010 at 12:22 am

    Wake up and smell the coffee, people!!

  188. Bronx Jeers January 28th, 2010 at 12:29 am

    Yeah, if Boras and Arod supposedly hated each other, then why were they spotted curb-kicking drifters together just last Thanksgiving?

  189. Rich in NJ January 28th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    m

    I agree.

  190. Phil the Thrill January 28th, 2010 at 12:45 am

    Boras is basically a wrestling heal. It’s his job to be resented by everyone and he does it well. When he has something the Yanks have a high value on again, they’ll make a deal like they always do.

  191. pat January 28th, 2010 at 12:46 am

    “But man Randy Winn’s 2009 season is an awfully dirty pair of socks.”

    Swisher’s socks from 2008 looked worse and for more years and money.

  192. m January 28th, 2010 at 12:47 am

    Boy, everyone must be sleeping. Hoping they’ll wake up and find that this deal was all a bad dream. ;)

  193. Rich in NJ January 28th, 2010 at 12:49 am

    “Swisher’s socks from 2008 looked worse and for more years and money.”

    Swisher was eight years younger, had one poor season, and had a much higher offensive ceiling.

  194. m January 28th, 2010 at 12:50 am

    I think the fans will be pleased to learn that the Yankees are top-notch launderers!

  195. thank you cashman! January 28th, 2010 at 1:01 am

    I have wanted Damon, Sheffield, Giambi, Igawa, Abreu and Pavano off this team for the longest time. Today I’m very happy.

    Liked them all, but not right for the Yankees

  196. Nick in SF in Larkspur January 28th, 2010 at 1:08 am

    Igawa? What was it you liked about Igawa? His wholesome, toothy grin? His Mr. Cool shades look?

  197. Damien January 28th, 2010 at 1:21 am

    AN open leter to Johnny Damon –

    Dear Johnny

    Thank you! You have been great for the Yankees, and I am HUGE fan of you.

    However, and I say this with all due respect, your fielding has declined to a point where you must accept your future as a very good DH with decent speed on the base paths. You are a great “team guy” who can help any team, but you are not a $10M+ per season guy anymore. It’s ok mate – it happens to most players at your age.

    Brian Cashman knows this. He also knows that the free agent options for next offseason are phenomenal – so hopefully you can understand that he is just trying to be business smart and plan ahead.

    The numbers your agent proposed were just way to far off the mark. To add to this it seems that there was a certain inflexibility in your demands. As a result, you will sadly not be donning the pinstripes this season.

    There will always be a lot of love for you here in New York. You will be missed.

    Good Luck

    D

  198. thank you cashman! January 28th, 2010 at 1:22 am

    Igawa I just wanted gone, but he was included on the list.

  199. blame Boras!! January 28th, 2010 at 1:39 am

    Damon Sue Boras, he gave bad legal advice that cost you 14M

  200. Nick in SF in Larkspur January 28th, 2010 at 1:44 am

    Igawa’s presence is usually the result of some type of error. :mad:

  201. blame Boras!! January 28th, 2010 at 1:49 am

    He who laughs last, laughs best, that’s Cashman. He stuck it to Boras, and devalued Damon’s market to bargain status.

  202. pat January 28th, 2010 at 2:04 am

    Depends on how high a ceiling you need vs. $$ invested.

    Winn being 35 doesn’t bother me. He’s found a way to drag his old creaky body out on the field for roughly 150 games a year since 2001. Way more than he’s likely to be asked for this year.

    Despite having a down year last year, his situational hitting splits- RISP/RISP 2 outs/Close and late were- dare I say it……Jeterian.

    It’s a short commitment for an amount of money that won’t bankrupt the franchise. Not worthy of the angst that has invaded in the last 12 hours.

    If it doesn’t work out, I trust Cashman will develop a Plan B. The 25 men they break camp with is never the 25 they end the season with.

  203. Pat M. January 28th, 2010 at 2:07 am

    Randy Winn will prove to be a pleasant surprise for the Bombers in 2010, and he’ll be viewed as a steal for 2 million

  204. GreenBeret7 January 28th, 2010 at 2:13 am

    Rich in NJ
    January 28th, 2010 at 12:49 am
    “Swisher’s socks from 2008 looked worse and for more years and money.”

    Swisher was eight years younger, had one poor season, and had a much higher offensive ceiling.

    ————————————————————

    And in 12 years how many “bad years” did Winn have?

    Another typical pile of horse dung.

  205. U Got Dat! January 28th, 2010 at 2:18 am

    Hey John Mozeliak GM Cardinals, pay attention to to Cashman, learn how you deal with Boras, when there’s no market for a!! player you want!!

  206. Rich in NJ January 28th, 2010 at 2:19 am

    “Winn being 35 doesn’t bother me. He’s found a way to drag his old creaky body out on the field for roughly 150 games a year since 2001. Way more than he’s likely to be asked for this year.”

    It may not bother you, but the point is that a 35 year old is far less likely to recover from a decline than a 27 year old. That’s why the Swisher v. Winn comparison (one you raised) is inapt.

    The less a player plays, the less overall value he has.

    “Despite having a down year last year, his situational hitting splits- RISP/RISP 2 outs/Close and late were- dare I say it……Jeterian.”

    Is your point that clutch is a repeatable skill?

    “It’s a short commitment for an amount of money that won’t bankrupt the franchise. Not worthy of the angst
    that has invaded in the last 12 hours.”

    Do you think that giving Damon $5m or $6m or even $10m would “bankrupt the franchise”? If not, then, using your logic as the test, the issue is would the money have been better spent on Damon? I think the inescapable answer is yes.

    Angst implies dread. I don’t think that’s a reasonable description of the dominant feeling here. It’s simply that the money wasn’t well spent.

    “If it doesn’t work out, I trust Cashman will develop a Plan B. The 25 men they break camp with is never the 25 they end the season with.”

    Plan A is to start Gardner. Winn should be the 25th man on the roster. And it’s not just Winn, it’s Mitre and Gaudin. A suboptimal use of close to $6m.

  207. Rich in NJ January 28th, 2010 at 2:25 am

    GB7

    “And in 12 years how many “bad years” did Winn have?
    Another typical pile of horse dung.”

    The point is that Winn is 35 and Swisher was 27 when he had his last down year. Down years by 35 year olds are less likely to be followed by a bounce back year than one by a 27 year old.

    Winn’s career OPS+ is 99. So his good years weren’t that good.

    Given the serial weakness in your logic, an insult from you is a compliment.

    But if you can’t argue the facts, then I guess that’s all you have…

    Classy post, btw.

  208. Rich in NJ January 28th, 2010 at 2:25 am

    I’m out.

  209. GreenBeret7 January 28th, 2010 at 2:25 am

    A suboptimal use of close to $6m.

    ————————————————————

    And you generally tend to be a suboptimal use of bandwidth.

  210. Januz January 28th, 2010 at 2:26 am

    I am no fan of Boras, but you have to give him credit with Holliday’s, Nady’s, and Pudge Rodriguez’s contracts. I have little doubt that Damon will get a decent contract as well. To be honest, I don’t think that Damon cares if he plays in The Bronx, Boston, or even Cleveland, as long as he gets his money………… That is why he hired Boras in the first place. There is a reason why exactly ONE Boras client who played more than ten seasons in the majors spent his entire career with one team (Bernie Williams). The Yankees are his FOURTH TTEAM, the same with Teixeira, and many other Boras clients, so there should be no surprises that he is heading somewhere else.
    He had a good career in Pinstripes, in fact one of their BEST Free Agent signings. So there is nothing to cry about his tenure here (Unlike Whitson, Sheffield, Pavano, Farnsworth and countless others). So I wish him well, except when he plays against us (UNLESS of course, he ends up in Boston or with the Mets).

  211. Rich in NJ January 28th, 2010 at 2:27 am

    “And you generally tend to be a suboptimal use of bandwidth.”

    You crack me up, GB.

    Seriously, I have to get up in a few hours.

    Trash away.

  212. Say What? January 28th, 2010 at 2:29 am

    Gaudin and Mitre were on the 2009 WS team. Yankees won every game Gaudin started even if he didn’t get the win.

    Cashman knows his job, Yankees got defense and younger this offseason!

  213. Pat M. January 28th, 2010 at 2:36 am

    With all the new ballplayers that were acquired this off season, this should prove to be a banner season here at the LoHud with all infighting within the drawn lines…..

  214. braeden January 28th, 2010 at 2:38 am

    Januz
    Damon has left a team at the end of his contract, always being the mercenary. It’s second nature to him.

  215. Nick in SF in Larkspur January 28th, 2010 at 2:41 am

    “The less a player plays, the less overall value he has.”

    Not true. The non-use of Guadin in the World Series was a key factor in our victory.

  216. braeden January 28th, 2010 at 2:50 am

    All the newbies are coming to a solid core of Champions, who know how to win. The newbies will get help from the coaches, and support from the players.

    Don’t expect much fighting.

  217. beau January 28th, 2010 at 2:54 am

    Gaudin will be the trade bait at midseason , and Mitre.

  218. Lloyd White January 28th, 2010 at 3:29 am

    The signing of Winn, I feel is one of the worse, in the 59 years I have been a Yankee fan. What it amounts to, with me is, the Yankees had 2 million to use, and they just wanted to spend it any way they could. The Yankees increased there chances of winning a World Series last year buy spending money to sign good players, this year it was how cheap can we do the 2010 season. I do not care, buying a good player is like purchasing a good car. You go out and buy a new car cause you want something good, not a junker,you have to spend money to buy something good. They let two players go the turned in excellent jobs during the World Series.

    If the front office was thinking like this during the Ruth & Gehrig era, would they have let them go, cause they wanted more than what they were to offer. I know contract signing was different in those days, but think about it into terms.

    I wonder if Boston is laughing tonight over the Winn signing, and New York did not spend there money wisely.

    Lloyd

  219. Davidson January 28th, 2010 at 3:32 am

    Winn, called that expanse of a field at Giant stadium home, while working left and Center,he knows the OF.

  220. Thomas Robust January 28th, 2010 at 3:50 am

    Boras says these kind of statements all the time and some teams give in and give Boras close to what he wants.
    Cashman wasn’t interested in Damon at that price, or anywhere close to that price. It is also known that some agents ask the Yankees for more money because they’re the Yankees. Cashman didn’t need Damon so he decided to show Boras (and it’s not the first time) who’s really in control. If players continue to see Boras losing money for his second-tier players, Boras will lose clients. Cashman played smart, in dealing with Boras this way. Damon would’ve been a nice addition but Cashman didn’t want to wait til mid-February to land Damon. Agents need to know, the Yankees spend money, but they’re not gonna give every player the premium. Damon lost out this time, who’s it going to be next time?

  221. Donny Hitman January 28th, 2010 at 4:13 am

    Betsy, what in the world are you talking about when you say, “Cashman played his hand brilliantly. He wanted Damon, just not at Damon’s price.”

    Say what?? How was Cashman brilliant if he wanted Damon and didn’t end up getting him? Now if Cashman got Damon at a far lower price than Boras was asking, THEN you might say Cashman was brilliant. What’s so brilliant about saying no to Boras’ demands for a player you covet?

    Was getting Winn an even more brilliant Cashman move in your eyes?

  222. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 January 28th, 2010 at 4:23 am

    From the http://www.bleacherreport.com
    Article Randy Winn signs with the Yankees: Bronx Bombers drop another one on Boras.

    “The sound you heard was leverage leaving the building with the Bronx Bombers’ checkbook. Without those deep pockets keeping the bidding artificially high. Chances are very good Boras will have to swallow his ego (a considerable feat) and pawn Damon off to a lesser wallet for a fraction of that initial figure.In other words Winn’s contract almost always guarantees Boras another embarrassing defeat. And that’s a good day for everyone.” ouch!

  223. Drive 4- 5 January 28th, 2010 at 5:35 am

    A suprisingly sensible take on the matter. Neither side really won and both sides may have lost. Boras overplayed his hand and Cashman is guilty of never having negotiated with a counter off.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....ation.html

  224. GI Joe January 28th, 2010 at 6:03 am

    Drive 4- 5,

    I actually see this as a tie for the Yanks. They would be better with Damon, this season. But signing Johnny to a two year deal would be a moderate drag on their efforts to land Crawford/Mauer in the upcoming free agent market.

  225. Paco Dooley January 28th, 2010 at 6:12 am

    Why make a formal offer when someone tells you they won’t accept less than $X. When you say I won’t take a contract for anything less than $X you should mean what you say, and if a team doesn’t want to offer $X then that sounds like the end of negotiations. If they come back and say we’ll take $Y (where Y<X) then you can see negotiations restarting…

  226. joeman January 28th, 2010 at 6:19 am

    Winn is a bad sign…I guess now a days 2 mil in baseball won’t buy you much…

  227. murphydog January 28th, 2010 at 6:35 am

    !. Cash was true to his word this year – “Read my lips: I have a budget.” This comes after saying a similar thing and then making a 12th hour decision last year to go for broke and get Teix.

    2. The Yankees got their veteran switch-hitting bat for the bench, as foretold by Cash. That’s all Winn was supposed to be. He was not supposed to be replacing Damon.

    3. By strengthening defense in pitching and OF, the Yankees can do very very well with a little less offense – if indeed this lineup does not produce like last years’ lineup. Don’t forget, 2010 will feature a full year of A-Rod and Posada, in addition to a second year Teix, more relaxed in NY. I think it all winds up pretty well.

    4. Boras and client are a team and Johnny is not an “Idiot.” He made his bed and now lies in it. Boras doesn’t get 100% of the blame.

    5. Maybe Johnny sticks around this season and works out at home, becomes the all important, mid-season pickup for some team in the hunt. He would be a difference maker in mid-season. If he does well then he goes for the Big Contract again next year as a FA.

  228. SJ44 January 28th, 2010 at 6:59 am

    We can spin this in a zillion ways but, one fact can’t be argued…..The best fit for Johnny Damon, what’s best for HIS career, would have been to play for the Yankees.

    Team, lineup, city, legacy, etc, all fit Johnny best.

    As the agent, Scott Boras has to make that happen because it’s in the best interests of HIS client.

    Bargain hard. However, in the end (to steal the goal of another profession), “do no harm”.

    This is on Scott and not the Yankees. He was unreasonable from the jump, still was insisting in 2/20 this week, and gave the Yankees no other choice but to pull the plug.

    It makes no sense to understand Scott’s end game here. Especially, if Johnny ends up in Oakland.

    This is one instance where Scott did his client a tremendous disservice.

  229. Paco Dooley January 28th, 2010 at 7:04 am

    murphydog – I think you can add to #3 that Granderson is likely to be a big upgrade over Melky in CF.

    I think that the ’10 Yanks are probably at least as good as the ’09 and they have reduced payroll and gained some flexibility. They have better SP depth (Vasquez plus an upgrade at #5 with a more experienced Joba/Hughes), an allstar in CF and an OBP machine as a DH, who despite an injury history is still probably more likely than Matsui to stay healthy this season.

    Let’s not forget that the ’09 team got those horrible starts from Wang and some really mediocre starts from Mitre and obviously had all those missed games by ARod.

  230. KevinP January 28th, 2010 at 7:06 am

    Once agin this proves that all these “journalists” who “report” 2/20 demand and 2/14 offer, completely made it up out of thin air. Much like 75% of the other contract rumors your hear being bantered around.

    Typical reporting these days :(

  231. Doreen January 28th, 2010 at 7:17 am

    There’s a good story in today’s Star Ledger by the Daily News’ Anthony McCarron. For some reason, I cannot find it online at either newspapers website. However, Damon is quoted:

    “I had discussions with Randy Levine, Cash and Hal Steinbrenner and we talked about how things are now in this economy in the baseball aworld, and I understood their budget and they understood where I was coming from. I wanted a two-year contract to come back and have a chance to win another World Series or two and see Derek Jeter get 3,000 hits.”

    He also said: “Randy Winn is the perfect guy to fit into that team – switch-hitter, plays pretty good defense.”

    Damon said the sides were “off from the get go because of the budget, them trying to get another pitcher and all the contracts coming up next year.”

    He also said: “I think they were reading everything that Scott was telling people we should get because of the type of player I am, but they knew I wanted two years. Hopefully things work out on our end and I can win a third ring somewhere else.”

    He said the Yankees would have take Damon back for the same money they’re spending on Winn, but he “did not want to start a trend for players 36 and older. I’m stil in better shape than most of the league, if not still the top one ortwo percent. I can still run fast, can still hit home runs, can still to great things.”

    He has no regrets. “I know I’m going to perform and I’m going to play hard, play hurt, be a great guy in the clubhouse for whatever team I’m on. Who knows, maybe in the future I can come back. If the team I sign with is not in the race, maybe New York can spend that money on a player like me on July 31.”

    He also said Tex and ARod had spoke to him to tell him how much they wanted him back.

    I think the situation’s unfortunate. I think Johnny should have taken control earlier in the process. I think he should have seen that 2 years $14 million was the highest they were going to go and taken it. Since it seems it’s the 2 years he wanted most. He won’t get 2 eyars anywhere else at this point

  232. upstate kate January 28th, 2010 at 7:26 am

    Despite what Cash kept saying I really thought Damon would be back. Once NJ was signed that became less likely, but I still thought Johnny would be back.
    I know this team will be fine. Who knows, maybe Crawford is signed this summer.
    I am still very sad and disappointed. I really liked last year’s team. I will miss Johnny, Melky, Matsui and Coke.

  233. SJ44 January 28th, 2010 at 7:29 am

    The reporting has been accurate on this story. What are you talking about Kevin?

    Damon himself has said he wanted 2 years.

    Damon himself said (at least in November), he was unwilling to take a paycut. Hence, their 2/26 original offer.

    It was widely reported they went down to 2/20 after the Yankees signed Nick Johnson.

    Bill Madden, who has a direct line to the Steinbrenners, gave a blow by blow description of the negotiations in Sunday’s Daily News.

    The reporting has been dead on. If it wasn’t, Boras wouldn’t have been in heavy spin mode, as he was last night.

  234. Crawdaddy January 28th, 2010 at 7:52 am

    Damon wanted a two year contract from the Yankees, but will accept a one year contract from a lesser team. This goes back to what Cashman stated earlier about players not willing to take a paycut from their most recent team, but will do so for another team. Egos do get in the way during contract negotiations.

  235. gfd January 28th, 2010 at 7:55 am

    Damon is victim of his of his own ego..
    Winn took a steep salary cut too, in 2009 he made 8.25M.
    I’m reading Boras is talking to the Rays, and Damon is agreeable to try to sign with the club.

  236. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 January 28th, 2010 at 8:06 am

    Damon didn’t want to “set a trend for older players 36 or older, ‘was a swipe at Abreu for setting the market last year.

  237. GI Joe January 28th, 2010 at 8:06 am

    Johnny is full of it.

    He says in the Daily News that he didn’t want to sign for a discount because he didn’t want to start a trend, but the trend already started last year with Abreu, moreover, if he plays this year, the only offer he will receive will be at a discount.

  238. whatever January 28th, 2010 at 8:09 am

    MLB network and Ken Rosenthal just don’t get it.

    Ken Rosenthal “NOW THEY’VE LOST JOHNNY DAMON AND HIDEKI MATSUI, and thats a lot to lose from the left side”

    then Joe Migraine “Winn has a poor avg vs lefties which makes you believe they’ll sign Rocco Baldelli to platoon”

    UM WHAT????? No mention of Granderson, Nick Johnson replacing those bats.. and no mention of the fact that Brett Gardner is the starting leftfielder? The Yankees view Winn as the 4th outfielder.. not a platoon guy in left!!! ugh

  239. Frank January 28th, 2010 at 8:13 am

    “no mention of the fact that Brett Gardner is the starting leftfielder? The Yankees view Winn as the 4th outfielder.. not a platoon guy in left!!! ugh”

    Winn’s a better player than Gardner right now. Maybe he starts.

  240. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 28th, 2010 at 8:17 am

    SJ, I agree -except that Damon has to take a huge share of the responsibility. He’s the client and if he’s too wimpy to make it clear to Boras what he wants, it’s his problem. We don’t even know for sure how badly Damon wanted to return. I’m not saying he didn’t want to return, but if he wanted it badly enough and he didn’t make it clear to Boras, that’s really his “fault”. For all we know, he was searching for the most $$$…..

    Murphy, I agree 100%

  241. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 28th, 2010 at 8:19 am

    Damon, lol. They offered him 2 years….he just didn’t think 2/14 was a good enough deal.

  242. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 28th, 2010 at 8:20 am

    Damon didn’t want to set a trend for older players? I don’t buy it.

  243. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 28th, 2010 at 8:22 am

    The Yankees are still taking grief from all the usual mediots – ESPN, MLB, etc…..What a joke.

  244. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 28th, 2010 at 8:23 am

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo....._walk.html

    This is the article, but what a dumb headline. The Yankees tried and Damon didn’t do his part……

  245. Doreen January 28th, 2010 at 8:30 am

    Betsy -

    The article’s title in the Star Ledger was: “Winn Puts Johnny on the Spot, Yanks fill void in left, opt against Damon.”

  246. Keith FL January 28th, 2010 at 8:30 am

    I hate the fact that Matsui will be the Angels DH when we have our home opener vs. them…why he wasn’t brought back is still beyond me…Nick Johnson may be good at on-base % but has been described as a dump truck on the bases and an injury waiting to happen…and now he is our #2 hitter…..with Damon and Matsui gone, 2 of our best postseason players from this championship are gone when thy could have been brought back for a decent price and if Damon wanted 2 years you could have made him the DH next year after giving Matsui this year and still have the flexibility to sign Carl Crawford…..these 2 player losses and the thought of Matsui in an Angel uniform are making me not look forward to the 2010 season as much, hopefully that changes…..reminds me of Cashman not resigning Jeff Nelson over a few extra million dollars in 2001 only to see him make the all star team with Seattle and then have to trade for Witasick who was terrible b/c we had no set-up man and Rivera had too many 2 inning saves in 2001 which made him tired and cost us the WS in 2001…Randy Winn was awful last year, how does Casman justify this signing?????

  247. Rick January 28th, 2010 at 8:32 am

    Practically everyone is upset over the Winn signing. The Yankees only wanted to spend 2 million bucks, so this is what it buys. Winn was a solid outfielder for years. Last years his skills began to collapse…. his contact rate dropped…power dropped….hey he is who he is…2 million bucks doesn’t buy much…live with it….time will tell if the yankees will regret this.

  248. upstate kate January 28th, 2010 at 8:33 am

    It seems whatever the Yankees do it is criticized. First there are complaints that they are “buying a championship”. When they say they are sticking to a budget, they get criticized for that as well.

    Damon may be trying to rationalize why things didn’t work out…or over valuing his skills.

    Its nice to see you posting again Betsy :)

  249. whatever January 28th, 2010 at 8:38 am

    “Winn’s a better player than Gardner right now. Maybe he starts.”

    no he’s not.. gardner is the starting leftfielder except against tough lefties…

  250. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 28th, 2010 at 8:38 am

    Doreen, I like that headline a lot better. Then again, the Daily News is trash, so I’m not surprised.

  251. Tom in NJ January 28th, 2010 at 8:39 am

    Text “Damon” to 90990 to atomatically send $10 to Scott Boras to help with the Damon relief fund.

  252. Doreen January 28th, 2010 at 8:41 am

    Like it or not the Yankees are not a bottomless pit of funds. And the fact that everyone has always seemed to try to get more from the Yankees than from any other team is infuriating. it wasn’t just a few extra dollars to keep Matsui AND Damon. And Cash said all along that if they fell within their budget, they’d love to have them back.

    Matsui and his agent moved quickly. I think the Angels were more aggressive and Matsui’s people much more in tune with the market than the Yankees expected.

    Damon and Boras misplayed their hand if Damon’s intention was really to stay with the Yankees. It’s really that simple. The Yankees made a fair offer to him, which was a 2-year deal, and he turned it down.

    Winn is an unknown to me (shame on me, apparently), but I don’t think their season will hinge on this.

    I’m kind of getting the feeling from some people that they almost want the Yankees to regret this. Why not hope for the best?

    I’m not gong to all of a sudden turn against Damon because he handled this poorly. But I’m not blaming the Yankees for not signing him. And I agree that as far as setting the standard for mid-30′s free agents, Abreu already did that. And Damon’s failure to see that is what ultimately got in the way.

  253. blake January 28th, 2010 at 8:43 am

    I don’t think the sky is falling and I think the Yankees will be very good next year (the favorite to re-peat) but I tend to agree with Rosenthal. I would have liked to see one of Damon or Matsui back if for no other reason than I know they have the ability to play and come through on the big stage. Losing two guys like that hurts.

    I think the pitching and defense will be better than last year which is great but I like the 2009 lineup better to this point. Its yet to be seen if the improvements to the pitching and defense will outweigh the loses to the offense. I think it will or at least leave the team as good as 2009 even if its in a different way. The moves Cashman made this offseason probably are considering 2011 just as much as 2010.

  254. pat January 28th, 2010 at 8:43 am

    “did not want to start a trend for players 36 and older. ”

    That’s union talk. The next CBA might be a doozy.

  255. Erin January 28th, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Tom in NJ
    January 28th, 2010 at 8:39 am
    Text “Damon” to 90990 to atomatically send $10 to Scott Boras to help with the Damon relief fund.

    **********************
    Love it. :)

    I feel bad for Damon. This whole thing was just really unfortunate

  256. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 28th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Everyone who thinks that the Yankees give a rat’s behind what anyone says about the Winn signing, raise your hand.

    I guess it’s hard for people to see the handwriting on the wall when their own hopes and dreams about a situation are what’s driving their thinking.

    If the Yankees wanted Damon enough/felt his presence was integral to the team winning, Damon would be a Yankee right now.

    I’m relieved that he will no longer be patrolling left and I’m happy that Girardi is no longer dealing with a situation where he has a player he feels the need to intermittently sit so that his legs will hold upwhen he plays.

    Murphhydog I agree with what you’ve outlined.

    Damon and Boras priced Damon out of the market. The Yankees didn’t want or need him enough to worry about it.

    If always amazes me that there are some fans who truly believe they know more than the Yankees. Here comes the inevitable “So the Yankees are infallible?” question. No, they’re not infallible, but losing an overpriced aging player whose only real contribution is offense, on a team that is certainly offense-healthy, doesn’t make them look quite as suspect as the people who think the Yankee’s season is over because of it!

  257. gfd January 28th, 2010 at 8:56 am

    Matsui signing came faster than Cashman got around to addressing. His agent moved quickly. Cashman, I don’t think ever made an offer. This was probably Cashman’s only miscue this hotstove.

  258. SJ44 January 28th, 2010 at 8:56 am

    The lineup will be fine.

    The depth in the pitching staff, especially if it remains healthy, makes this a formidable team. It offsets the runs they may lose from the loss of Damon and Matsui.

    A full season of Arod and the addition of Granderson may make the offensive decline minimal.

    The bottom line is as Doreen said, is its not a bottomless pit of funds.

    Their payroll is still 30% higher than anybody’s in baseball and its a team loaded with talent.

    And please don’t give me the ticket price rap again. Ticket prices are a product of supply and demand, NOT payroll.

    As long as over 4 million people attend Yankee games, ticket prices will be what they are. Guess what? If the team is still winning and entertaining, which this team will be, people will flock to the games.

    At some point, you have to reduce payroll and increase flexibility. Its the smart way to run the ballclub. Especially with the interesting targets in the FA class of 2010.

    If these changes don’t work, they will upgrade at the deadline. Probably at bargain prices since 1/2 the acquired player salary would have been paid by their previous team.

    Its called running a franchise in an intelligent manner.

    The door was COMPLETELY open for Johnny to come back at terms better than he will get on the market at this time. He chose not to go through the door.

    There is nothing the Yankees could have done about it short of overpaying him and that wasn’t going to happen.

  259. Doreen January 28th, 2010 at 8:57 am

    Here’s a thought. While I believe Abreu’s situation last season telegraphed what could happen to other players like him, it may not be ingenuous of Damon to say he didn’t want to start a trend. One high profile player (Abreu) signing a very low contract is not necessarily a trend. But two doing so certainly would signal a trend.

  260. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 28th, 2010 at 8:58 am

    Rick if you read through the posts since they announced Winn’s signing, I think you’ll see there are quite a few of us who are far from upset with the signing. I think there are quite a few of us who trust that the Yankees know what they’re doing.

    :)

  261. 86w183 January 28th, 2010 at 8:58 am

    Winn is a useful piece and one many of us have suggested to fill a role during this off-season. 35 is not THAT old and there’s plenty of evidence that he’s much better than that.

    It’s amazing to me that people can complain about high prices AND the Yankees staying within a budget even when they spend far more than any other team. I went into this off-season hoping that either Damon or Matsui would be the DH and someone would be acquired for a corner OF spot. didn’t quite play out that way, but this is a very good ball club for 2010.

    No tears for Damon and Boras. Johnny knows who his agent is and what he’s all about and they both badly misread the market.

  262. Noreaster January 28th, 2010 at 9:00 am

    blake, agree with most of your post with this change. I think over the long haul of a season our offense is better in 2010 than in 2009, but what remains to be seen is how the team performs in the post season. Losing Damon and Matsui, both key post season performers, could be a critical mistake in a short series.

  263. matt January 28th, 2010 at 9:01 am

    Good signing…can’t remember the last time cashman missed on a non-pitching player (via free agent/trade)

  264. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 28th, 2010 at 9:02 am

    Doreen, I don’t know that I necessarily take Damon at his word. I think he’s spinning things as much as Boras. I remember him walking in NY in May, the year before he signed with the Yankees, giving soundbytes to reporters about how he would never sign with the Yankees.

    Damon is about Damon. He could care less about setting trends. I’ve never seen him worry about the generic good of baseball or other players so I don’t think he’s about to start. Does he have the right to be about himself? Absolutely. I just don’t buy what he’s trying to put out at this point. JMO

  265. David January 28th, 2010 at 9:03 am

    In the broad picture, losing Johnny was a net loss for Yankees but it is his fault. Johnny should have done what A Rod did, take charge of the situation and hopefully resolve it. This agent guy Boras always play this poker game with Yankees without any regard to the player’s wishes and best interest.

  266. SJ44 January 28th, 2010 at 9:05 am

    It wasn’t that Cashman didn’t want to make an offer. The priority was bringing Damon back of the two guys.

    Arn Tellem told him that he had to move quickly on an offer and tried to push a deal with the Yankees. Cashman didn’t want to move quickly (and he was never going to pay Matsui what the Angels paid him anyway) because the Damon negotiations were ongoing. It just didn’t match up.

    Tellem, smartly, got his deal done quickly before the money dried up in the marketplace. That was solid work on his part.

    The Yankees were very concerned about Matsui’s knees and his ability to hold up for another season. That’s why he was not a priority to re-sign.

    Now before the same whiners cry about Nick Johnson and his injuries, do yourself a favor and learn the difference between injuries and CHRONIC injuries.

    Chronic injuries, like Matsui’s knees, are an ongoing thing.

    Johnson doesn’t have any chronic injuries.

    The same people predicting Nick Johnson’s impending doom also predicted AJ Burnett would live on the DL in 2009. How did that turn out?

    Sometimes, you have to make tough decisions and not let emotion get in the way. Fans are too emotional to make decisions. That’s why they aren’t GM’s.

    GM’s don’t have the luxury of letting emotion get in the way of their decisionmaking. If they do, they become Ex-GM’s in short order.

  267. Fran (the original) and OPPC member January 28th, 2010 at 9:06 am

    Good morning all.

    For most players it is all about the money. The Yankees weren’t offering what Damon wanted and so it is time to move on. I think that Winn will be fine in the OF.

  268. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 28th, 2010 at 9:07 am

    Now I’m not someone who complains when my favorite player is arabesqued. I learned about the futility of that when David Wells was traded away for Roger Clemens. If I am mourning the loss of any player, it is Hideki Matsui. But I always defer to the knowledge that the organization has of a situation since I know they are privvy to things I am not and don’t necessarily feel the need to expose all of the details of their thinking just to make me feel whole.

    It works for me. They’ve done quite well by this fan.

    :)

  269. Doreen January 28th, 2010 at 9:08 am

    Trisha -

    As I said, it was just a thought.

    The general feeling I got from the article I quoted is that while he wanted to be a Yankee, he’s not losing sleep over not going back. He said he looked forward to playing for someone else and helping that team win a ring. And one quote I left out, which goes along with your thinking (Johnny being for Johnny): “Hopefully things work out on our end and I can win a third ring somewhere else. That’d be a pretty good class of people who have won in three places.”

    So, I don’t cry for Johnny; he certainly doesn’t! :)

  270. RayVT January 28th, 2010 at 9:08 am

    I could care less who a players agent is. It could be Atilla the Hun for all I care. I don’t buy into this good cop bad cop routine between the agents and the owners. I believe the owners are all making a profit and a substantial one or they wouldn’t be in the business. Why else would they not open their books? I am also fairly sure they all take a paper loss or as much of one as they can. The players aren’t doing too badly either. So whether a team has a $200M payroll or $600M or $20M, I don’t care.

    I think Boras is the poster child for ownership to target because he knows how lavish these owners are. Also, if any of the supposedly poor & broke owners wanted to recoup their losses, they could sell the team to an assortment of Billionaires who would love to own a team.

    Now, all that said, I appreciate an owner like George S who put his money back into the team or at least a larger portion than most. I am also sure he isn’t hurting for money either.

    I wish the old timers would get some of the spoils that are garnered today, but I’m sure most of them would not have traded their experience for a different field even now.

    I like Damon! He will be missed in the Yankee lineup. But just like every other job, there is someone available to take his place with an opportunity to do better.

    Lastly, I believe the Yankees were put on notice after last year by the incompetent Bud Meister that payrolls needed to be curbed or the league would do it. He has ruined the game in so many ways yet is who the owners want because he protects them. He is a joke. I will be glad when he is gone. Hopefully, someone with class will take his place.

  271. JohnC January 28th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Bottom line is, no matter what the Yankees do, somebody is not going to be happy. Everyone always thinks they are a GM. “This was a bad decision, that was a bad decision, this move will come back to haunt the Yankees, mark my words”…BLAH BLAH BLAH! Bottom line is nobody knows until the season gets underway and we see how it all plays out.

  272. Fran (the original) and OPPC member January 28th, 2010 at 9:10 am

    SJ,

    I know this is off topic but I know you are friends with Doug Plank. How did he enjoy working with Rex Ryan and the Jets defense this year? I am a long time Jets fan and was really happy with the direction and progress of the team this past season. Made football fun again.

  273. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 28th, 2010 at 9:10 am

    YAY FRAN! You go girl.

    I agree with you. Ovah, and Winn will do fine for us. He’s a good defensive player so I know I won’t worry when he takes the field.

  274. Doreen January 28th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    I thought Matsui’s agent did a great job for him. I’ll miss Matsui, and I’ll always think of him as a Yankee, but the Yankees know first-hand what the situation is with his knees.

  275. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 28th, 2010 at 9:16 am

    Doreen, he did say something to the same effect at the end of the season. He knew I would think that his returning to the Yankees wasn’t a given. And I do believe that he is pretty much “self actualized” enough as a person and player that he will adjust no matter where he goes. I don’t think that being a Yankee was his signature the way it is for some other players.

    Johnny’s been called a mercenery, maybe the same way that Roger Clemens was a mercenery. They followed the money. The good thing about people like that is that it does tend to make you feel less bad when situations don’t work out for them since it probably didn’t tear their hearts they way it tore their pocketbooks!

  276. SJ44 January 28th, 2010 at 9:17 am

    Fran,

    He loved working with Rex. They are very good friends.

    The league is looking to lower the number of coaches on staffs to a maximum of 18. The Jets basically cut 5, assistants to assistants if you will, to reach that number.

    This is all in preparation for a possible work stoppage in 2011.

    Doug left on great terms with the Jets and already has a couple of opportunitites to coach elsewhere.

    He will land on his feet and really enjoyed his time with the Jets. Wouldn’t shock me to see him back there in the future.

  277. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 28th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    Check you out later.

    Enjoy the day all!

  278. Fran (the original) and OPPC member January 28th, 2010 at 9:25 am

    SJ,

    Thanks for the feedback. Sorry that Doug left but glad to hear he has some opportunities already. After all he can claim he was an assistant on the #1 defense in the league this year!

  279. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 28th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    Fran, I emailed you earlier but the email isn’t going through. I’m sure you’ll get it eventualy1

  280. Joe January 28th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    Did we just sign Tony Womack again ? I hope not.

  281. Gardner in CF January 28th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    whatever January 28th, 2010 at 8:38 am

    no he’s not.. gardner is the starting leftfielder except against tough lefties…

    Gardner can hit tough lefties. I think “tough lefties” will be Girardi’s excuse to give him or Granderson a rest, but Girardi’s not going to protect either of their numbers against them.

  282. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day January 28th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    Upstate Kate, thanks!!

    SJ put it best……I really find it odd that so many wanted the Yankees to bid against themselves and to pay Damon more than they thought he was worth; that is a terrible way to run a franchise.

  283. GeorgeInJax January 28th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    Winn is a role player who will start a few, but mainly back up 3 positions. his contract represents 1% of the budget, so even if he’s not back to 07 or 08 form it’s not a horrible signing.
    We have trade chips with Gaudin/Mitre & minor league talent for a mid-season acquisition IF NEEDED.

    Gardner is going to get his shot, we may be pleasantly surprised.

  284. Tom in NJ January 28th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    The offense is still going to score a ton of runs.

    Plus, with Vazquez in the rotation and a full season of either Joba or Hughes in the ‘pen-remember, the ‘pen wasn’t really that good before Hughes and Aceves became relievers last June-the Yankees pitching should be better. And the Yankee pitching was very good last season-3rd best team ERA in the A.L.

  285. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day January 28th, 2010 at 9:36 am

    I see people on other boards who still see AJ as a major injury risk…..reputations are what they are and they can’t be shaken (even though, in this case, AJ has been a horse for 2 years in a row and even though this newfound durability has everything to do with a change in routine and not a change in luck). Therefore, those who are not fans of NJ will continue to harp on his injury history and while conveniently forgetting to mention the necessity of Matsui having to have his knees drained.

  286. Mike January 28th, 2010 at 9:39 am

    when are guys gonna get it …it’s not Boras’ fault…Damon is all about the money…he came to the yanks from boston without blinking

  287. Drive 4-5 January 28th, 2010 at 9:40 am

    “As long as over 4 million people attend Yankee games, ticket prices will be what they are. Guess what? If the team is still winning and entertaining, which this team will be, people will flock to the games.”

    How many regular season sellouts did the Yankees have in 2009? The new Stadium has a seating capacity of 52,325 including standing room.How many 52,000 crowds did thet have last season? Not one regular season game, including the grand opening, is the answer. The streak of 4,000,000 fans officially ended in 2009.

    Don’t tell me that ticket prices have nothing to do with attendance. Common sense says differently. Why else are the Yankees hawking lower priced non – Premium season tickets between the baselines? They can’t sell them because they still cost $300 per game. I know long time season ticket holders that lost their seats downstairs and were told that to re-up with comparable seats they had to buy the Premium seats at over $1,500 per game. They told the Yankees to stick it.Apparently, they werent alone because all you see is empty seats where these folks used to sit.

    The bottom line is price weighs heavily into attendance figures.You can justify the high price by putting a quality team on the field ( which the Yankees do). You can’t justify high prices if the team isn’t competitive.

  288. Joe January 28th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    I don’t like our chances for next year without someone to protect A-rod and with that Gardner-Winn plateau. Something needs to happen and it better happen soon.

  289. SJ44 January 28th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    The team is competitive and been every year since 1995. This year is no different.

    They also lead the league in home and road attendance almost every year.

    They adjusted some of the ticket prices for 2010. Supply and demand for Yankee games are still extremely high.

    Payroll has nothing to do with ticket prices. That’s completely a supply and demand issue.

  290. Louis January 28th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Damon has a history of going to the money and not the team (namely, going to the yanks after the sox), so none of this should be surprising. Too bad though,he certainly would have been better than this wynn guy who inspires little or no confidence. Better ifthey had gone with an internal option here. Anyway, I have a suspicion that the yanks might end up trading for a better outfielder during the season…the currently available crop (including Damon) is either old or otherwise suspect and matt holiday/jason bay were just ridiculous wastes of money. I really cant wait for the new season to start, I miss the yanks! I have now been a die-hard fan for 35 years (since I was 7)!

  291. m January 28th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Everyone harping on Winn’s age, but doesn’t have leg issues as far as I know.

    It’ll be interesting to see where Damon ends up, and to see if he can play the field for the entire year. Who knows? Perhaps Damon can start a trend for 36 year old players-play in the field for an entire season!

  292. Drive 4-5 January 28th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    SJ44,

    Attendance is down because fewer people can afford the games. The demand is there, but the price isn’t. If attendance is down, the team has less revenue. Less revenue in my business means you can afford less payroll. The Yankees are operating now more like a real business.

  293. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 28th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    I was a little perplexed by the age thing. But in thinking about it, wasn’t one of the “complaints” that the Yankees’ bench players were too young and inexperienced? It would seem that Randy Winn solves that part of the issue, anyway.

    And I’m tellin’ ya, if you go to his mlb.com page, they have up two videos (or at least they did yesterday). One showed Randy Winn driving in a run with a sac fly, and the other showed him driving in a run with a well-placed ground ball out. I think this is a good thing. :)

  294. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 28th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    “It’ll be interesting to see where Damon ends up, and to see if he can play the field for the entire year. Who knows? Perhaps Damon can start a trend for 36 year old players-play in the field for an entire season!”

    LMAO. Don’t know if you meant to be funny! I’ll take healthy legs in the outfield any time!

    Defense! Give me defense!!!! I want lots of defense!!!!!

    Seriously I’m outta here now. (no cheering…)

    :)

  295. SJ44 January 28th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    Attendance is down due to the greatest economic collapase in history. Taken in context, attendance is down only slightly.

    Revenue however, isn’t down because the increased ticket prices actually brought more revenue to their bottom line last year.

    Add to it the record ratings and ad revenues the YES Network brought in for 2009, and the Yankees are doing just fine.

    They aren’t reducing payroll because attendance was down less than 5%. They are reducing it because its too high and they have a lot of guys to sign after this season.

    Its just good business. Its not a sign of any economic problem on their end.

  296. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 28th, 2010 at 10:05 am

    btw- Pinch hitter post up :arrow:

  297. Alan January 28th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    Many had figured that Johnny Damon had a less than average MLB intelligence quotient and he proved it by not realizing that he is on the downside of his career with severe outfield limitations driving a wedge with his agent’s bargaining position.
    Damon should have also realized that he could have and should have stopped Boras cold when a reasonable 2-year deal was offered by the Yankees.
    He now faces the wondering of who of his next teammates is snickering on the other side of the clubhouse.
    Two of Leo Durocher quotes apply with Damon:

    . “Nice guys finish last.”

    . “Show me a good loser and I’ll show you an idiot.”

  298. Sharkdaddy January 28th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    Its hard to let go sometimes, but this is exactly what the Yankees needed to do.

    I’ve been saying since the start of last season that the team needed to dump the expiring salaries of old & injury prone players after the 2009 season & begin to phase in younger more athletic players (Granderson, Gardner, Cervilli).

    Old players who were breaking down (Matsui/knees) (Damon/legs & shoulders) (Nady/elbow) & (Molina/age & out of shape) needed to re replaced.

    Its better to get rid of these players a bit early than too late. Damon gave us a great season & post season, but is a below avg. MLB outfielder with NO arm whats-so-ever. His only value would have been as a DH & the 2 yr. $14 Mil. offer for a DH was a fair one.

    We squeezed the last drops of productivity from a very good professional hitter in Matsui & he will always be remembered for his World Series heroics. But there is little chance he will duplicate those feats over an entire season at his age & with 2 bad knees.

    Molina was an offensive liability who could not run or play every day because he was out of shape. His defense & pitch calling can be replaced by Cervelli.

    Nady could have been the RH-hitting 4th OF’er we were looking for, but wanted $5 Mil. out of the Yankees, yet took only $3.3 from the Cubs. In any event he is in his 30′s & coming back from a SECOND Tommy John injury.

    The team has done a good job of infusing a bit more youth & speed, while keeping themselves flexible for going after more attractive free agents next season.

    The health of our pitching staff is the biggest reason we will or won’t repeat this yr. They had a pretty healthy yr. last season. Lets hope AJ & Andy can stay healthy & of course CC continues to be a dominant #1.

    Say good bye to old friend Damon, Matsui, Molina, & Nady. Wish them well & be glad we are not stuck with their salaries for the next few yrs.

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