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It’s Randy Winn

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 27, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joel Sherman says the Yankees have reached a one-year deal with Randy Winn. Looks like that’s the extra outfielder.

Winn is coming off one of his worst seasons when he hit just .262/.318/.353 with San Francisco. His right-handed splits were even worse — .158/.184/.200 — which is curious considering the Yankees were said to be in the market for a right-handed outfielder to balance Brett Gardner and Curtis Granderson.

The Yankees are clearly hoping for a rebound.

Winn hit at least .300 with double-digit steals and double-digit home runs in both 2007 and 2008. He hit .289/.343/.470 as a right-handed batter in ’08, .351/.399/.535 as a right-hander in ’07. If he returns to those numbers, he’s a great addition. Of course, he also turns 36 in June.

He has extensive experience at all three outfield positions, and is generally considered a good defensive player.

UPDATE, 4:54 p.m.: Great day for Joel Sherman. He’s now reporting that Tampa Bay has entered the race for Johnny Damon. That would more or less leave Pat Burrell as a very expensive DH against lefties.

UPDATE, 5:10 p.m.: Joe Girardi just confirmed the Winn signing on Mike Francesa’s radio show. He also confirmed that Johnny Damon will not be back in New York, saying that he talked to Damon today to wish him well.

“Johnny is going to be missed,” Girardi said.

 
 

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514 Responses to “It’s Randy Winn”

  1. hi Yank-yee January 27th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    bye johnny =(

  2. Chad Jennings January 27th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    We’ll come back to that previous post later. This is what happens when you spend hours scrolling through rosters!

  3. JoeyA January 27th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Not a bad signing by any means. Looks like the 2010 Yankees are officially complete.

  4. Gardner in CF January 27th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Ryan Freel would have been a better signing.

  5. upstate kate January 27th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    wow, quickest new post ever :)

  6. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Johnny should have taken the Yankees offer. Now, he won’t get anything close to Yankee Money unless Scott Boras kicks in money of his own to round out the deal.

    He really did Johnny wrong on this one. Bad piece of agent work by Boras.

  7. tex's friend January 27th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    so…. winn is not a better RH hitter though.

    So he cannot platoon with gardner.

  8. The Phranchise January 27th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Winn isn’t my favorite, but is versatile, has some speed. I am sure he was at a reasonable price. And it gives Gardner plenty of at bats which is what I am sure they wanted at the end of the day. Hate to see Johnny D go, but could be worse.

  9. rodg12 January 27th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    jay_jaffe

    Randy Winn’s .158/.184/.200 in 125 PA vs LHP last yr is the single worst RHvsLH perf. of Retrosheet Era (1954-)

    ___________________

    Yikes!

  10. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Back Johnny!!!! January 27th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    austinmac
    January 27th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
    Doreen–I agree Gardner didn’t “fail miserably” before his injury. That does seems to me to be too low a standard on a championship contending club. I’d like at least average. Chips recommendations are looking okay to me, but I always liked DeJesus.

    Erica–Whatever happens, we at Lohud are here for you. Well, most of us anyway.

    *********************

    Thank you very much. I appreciate your support during this sad, sad time

  11. sab January 27th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Erica – my condolences.

  12. Juan January 27th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Just AWFUL! Damon was the perfect fit in that lineup and was loyal for 4 years. And like Sherman said earlier, they will no doubt be over 200M after making a trade in July anyway so what’s the difference?

  13. Frank January 27th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    “so…. winn is not a better RH hitter though”

    He was brutal last year hitting right handed, but was pretty good in ’07 and ’08.

  14. Ross January 27th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    wait, what?

    36 years old? 2 homers last year? .318 on base? .671 OPS? 75 OPS+? WHYYYYYYYY

    Cashman was on a hot streak so I guess he was due for a stinker but… sheesh.

  15. Chad Jennings January 27th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    I know! I wrote the where-could-Damon-go post because I expected today to be a light day for news. Sherman’s tweet must have gone out the very minute I clicked submit.

    Anyway, this is clearly the news of the day.

  16. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Ryan Freel is a physical wreck who has so many injuries, he lost is effectiveness.

    Not exactly someone the Yankees need on the team.

  17. tex's friend January 27th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    winn had a .318 obp last year.

  18. Bronx Jeers January 27th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Well let me be the first to say …….Whatever.

  19. Vincent January 27th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Totally Boras on this one. Of course Johnny has the final say but you hire your agents for a reason. Bad advice Scotty.

  20. JGL January 27th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    How much is it for? I hope Gardner still gets some play time… It’s good to have outfield options though. It’s only one year, so if winn doesn’t work out, not the end of the world. Yankees are better off now than they were yesterday.

  21. Frank January 27th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    “Just AWFUL! Damon was the perfect fit in that lineup and was loyal for 4 years”

    Loyal??? In what sense???

  22. Wave Your Hat January 27th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Erica, don’t give up hope.

    Maybe Winn is to be the fifth outfielder. You gotta believe…

  23. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Unless he was badly hurt last season, it’s an awful move.

    2009

    OPS+: 75
    wOBA: .302
    RC+: 82

    All well below average.

  24. AeroFANatic January 27th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Winn had a down year at the plate last year, but is fairly consistent in his career from the left side (.280). He plays great corner D, and will add some speed.

    Switch hitter, he will caddy with Gardner vs lefties and will also serve as help when Swish needs an off day.

    Solid solid singing for one year.

  25. tex's friend January 27th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    i am no cashman, but i think we would have rather have seen someone who can hit from the right side in case gardner can’t. i assume winn is the bench player and not the everyday left fielder no?

  26. 7789 January 27th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    LOL @ Randy Winn he is garbage. He hit 262 with a 318 obp last year. What a mistake not signing Reed Johnson he kills leftys.

  27. m January 27th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Happiest person right now? Some kid in South Carolina.

    Saddest person? Leaning toward Erica over Damon. :(

  28. Potch January 27th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Wow is Winn a shell of his former self… His number fell off the table last year.. Always liked him, but going by last year’s numbers alone, we should have signed about anyone but him…

  29. tex's friend January 27th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Switch hitter, he will caddy with Gardner vs lefties and will also serve as help when Swish needs an off day.

    ___

    However he doesnt hit lefties well either.

  30. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    He had a bad year against righties last year.

    Off year or downward trend? We shall see.

  31. petea January 27th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    not xtra of — Winn starts — Gardner=xtra of

  32. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    meant against lefties. Sorry for the typo.

  33. Frank January 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    “Ryan Freel is a physical wreck who has so many injuries, he lost is effectiveness.”

    By contrast, Winn has averaged 154 games played per season over the past 8 years.

  34. JT January 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    According to Winn’s wikipedia page, the deal is for ruffly $2 Million.

  35. sab January 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    Is that CHIP i see with that big grin on his face? You know if Cashman’s name wasn’t Brian i could totally see him being called Chip.

  36. Ross January 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    lol, yeah really, it takes a lot of “loyalty” to, you know, show up for your job. Especially when said job is being paid millions of dollars to go out and play baseball.

  37. tex's friend January 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    hopefully we still have enough $$ to get a Baldelli who can actually hit lefties.

  38. m January 27th, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    JGL,

    Not a penny over $2M

  39. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    sab
    January 27th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
    CHIP WINS..

    Yankees just signed Randy Winn – start the complaining…

    ————————————————————

    He had to hit on one eventually. He wanted every outfielder on the FA list at least 4 times.

  40. BigSix January 27th, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    Those phone calls to Cincinnati and Detroit from Boras’s office now have a more urgent tone.

    Without the Yankees potentially as a fall back (as other teams have suspected anyway), who signs Damon?

  41. Erin January 27th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    GreenBeret7
    January 27th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
    sab
    January 27th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
    CHIP WINS..

    Yankees just signed Randy Winn – start the complaining…

    ————————————————————

    He had to hit on one eventually. He wanted every outfielder on the FA list at least 4 times.

    *******************
    LOL :D

  42. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    I’m not all that familiar with Winn; isn’t he rather old?

    Well, I’m actually happy that Cash moved on; Damon and Boras’ act got old. Now, without the Yankees involved, let’s see how much Damon gets.

  43. Patrick January 27th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Randy Winn is not a good player. If he’s getting more than $1.5 mill it’s a waste of money.

  44. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    2009

    v. RHP:

    .292 .354 .397 .751

    League average LF v. RHP:

    .267 .338 .442 .780

    So he was even below average as a RH hitter.

  45. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Back Johnny!!!! January 27th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    I just do not understand the point. For 2 million more you could have had Johnny Damon who is a who different class of ballplayer.

    Such a dumb move

    However, I refuse to settle anythign with Mr. Nick in SF until Johnny Damon actually signs a deal

  46. Bob Michaels January 27th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Randy is not Dandy, it that the best they could do?

  47. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 27th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Randy Winn ?????????????????????????????????

    why not Reed Johnson? Or even Baldelli ?

  48. Shane Schofield January 27th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Randy Winn is a good signing for the Yankees. He most likely comes cheap with a fairly ample upside. He slides in well to the Yankees current roster setup, providing outfield flexibility and defense. He’s more of a threat with the bat than Gardner, and leaves the Yankees with some depth.

    Johnny Damon would have been a great fit, had he aligned with the Yankees budget. Contrary to popular belief, the Yankees may have unlimited funds, but smart business acumen says that it’s not always necessary to spend everything.

    The Yankees are deeper, younger, more athletic and most likely better than their championship year of 2009. Barring minor moves, the Yankees are probably done dealing for the time being and the countdown to Opening Day begins!

  49. Phil the Thrill January 27th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Thanks, Hal. All this means is that unless Gardy breaks out, we’re gonna have to trade more prospects at the deadline.

  50. S.o.S. January 27th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Maybe Cash is going to dangle Gardner as trade bait? Tune in for the next move, same bat time, same bat channel.

  51. Spartan January 27th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    That sucks that Johnny won’t be back.

  52. whoisthedogg January 27th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Typical Cashman buying low…

    Anyone remember Swisher last year? This might end of being a steal

  53. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 27th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    a spring training invitation for Randy Winn, i could understand.

    signing Randy Winn to a contract. Why???

  54. Wave Your Hat January 27th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Sherman is suggesting Winn is going to get around $2MM – if that’s the case this is just inexplicable to me.

  55. m January 27th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Is Golson a RH? Between he and Hoffman, they could be a 5OF/PR

  56. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    v. LHP in 2009:

    .158 .184 .200 .384

    That’s comically bad.

    Winn + Gaudin + Mitre = give the money to Haiti

  57. rodg12 January 27th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    I’m guess Winn gets the majority of the starts in LF with Gardner as more of a 4th OF. Pretty comparable player to Melky (provided of course last year was more of a down year and not a downward trend). Switch-hitter. Some pop. Above average defensively.

  58. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    I hate when I don’t get what I want!

  59. Wanzies January 27th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Who cares if Winn is cheaper? The money we spend to go to a game or games? Spend it.

  60. sab January 27th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    GreenBeret7
    January 27th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
    sab
    January 27th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
    CHIP WINS..

    Yankees just signed Randy Winn – start the complaining…

    ————————————————————

    He had to hit on one eventually. He wanted every outfielder on the FA list at least 4 times.
    *****

    True dat GB – i guess if you say something long enough people will start believing it..
    On a separate note – if a lazy person wanted to join the armed forces – which would be the best to join so that you can “coast” the most through it?

  61. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 27th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    “Randy Winn is a good signing for the Yankees. He most likely comes cheap with a fairly ample upside”
    —————————————————

    are you his kin? Randy Winn is 35 years old. There is no ample upside.

    Reed Johnson would have been a better signing.

  62. Nick in SF January 27th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    This is what I call a Win-Winn deal. :)

  63. E-gawa January 27th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    I don’t like the offense on this years team at all. I just hope we have the pitching depth this year to carry us.

  64. S.o.S. January 27th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Im back on the Baldelli bandwagon. I say have 8 outfielders duke it out at spring training.

  65. tex's friend January 27th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    I just do not understand the point. For 2 million more you could have had Johnny Damon who is a who different class of ballplayer.

    ____

    says who?

    damon didnt want 4-5 mil. there was nothing to indicate he was willing to accept under 4 mil.

  66. Porky Pig January 27th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Da..da..da…da..da.. DAT’S ALLLL FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  67. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    This is Cash’s personal bid to increase parity in MLB.

  68. Erin January 27th, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Is done with Brian Cashman!
    January 27th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
    I hate when I don’t get what I want!

    ***********************
    I’m sorry Erica :(

  69. whatever January 27th, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    i want cashman fired, now

  70. tex's friend January 27th, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    I’m guess Winn gets the majority of the starts in LF with Gardner as more of a 4th OF. Pretty comparable player to Melky (provided of course last year was more of a down year and not a downward trend). Switch-hitter. Some pop. Above average defensively.

    ___

    POP? he has 2 homeruns in nearly 600 ABs last year.

  71. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 27th, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Just looking at stats, I don’t get it. I had never heard of him.

  72. Eric January 27th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    look at Winn’s stats prior to 2009 people. if he bounces back at all(certainly a question mark) it’ll look brilliant. he’s had a solid career. i’ve been touting him on this board for months, feel rather smart : )

  73. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    “damon didnt want 4-5 mil. there was nothing to indicate he was willing to accept under 4 mil.”

    Then you get rid of Mitre and Gaudin and you have Damon’s monye.

  74. BigSix January 27th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Well, for those rare occasions when Randy goes yard, I guess we’ll need some Sterling zingers…any suggestions?

    A Winner for Winn!

  75. Juan January 27th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    For all those scrutinizing every single word in these posts and looking to mix it up, maybe “loyal” wasn’t the PERFECT choice to describe Damon.

    But all I know is he played hard everyday, was accountable to the media whether he had a good or bad game, and came up clutch on many occassions. By all accounts he is a good “team first” guy that could have probably been had for a few million more.

    The Yanks will regret this sign…you get what you pay for. Gardner is not an everyday player & Winn will be released by August.

  76. tex's friend January 27th, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    This is one of those times i would love to know what research cash did and how he arrived at randy winn instead of someone who could hit lefties.

  77. Patrick January 27th, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Terrible signing if that $2 million number is true. Randy Winn is no longer a good ballplayer. Heck, he’s not even an average ballplayer anymore.

  78. m January 27th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Argh! Nick, my Winn-er comment was on the “Looking for a Place to land” thread. Don’t delete it, Chad. It’s going to be a classic!

  79. rodg12 January 27th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    POP? he has 2 homeruns in nearly 600 ABs last year.
    ____________________
    He hit 10 in ’08, 14 in ’07 and 11 in ’06 all while playing half his games in that cavernous park in SF (with extra games in Petco and Dodger Stadium as well). Yes, he has some pop.

  80. cashman needs to go January 27th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Anyone want to jump on my bandwagon yet?

  81. The Phranchise January 27th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    I think at the end of the day. If Winn doesn’t work, they can dump him and make a trade during the season without having lost much in pay. Baldelli they don’t want to give a major league deal so chances of signing him aren’t high.

    Look Melky/Gardner did fine last year. Is Winn really that much worse than Melky? Maybe he is worse, but not sure just how much you are going to suffer with him.

  82. Patrick January 27th, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Winn is a 4th outfielder AT BEST. He’s better suited as a 5th OF (aka – defensive replacement)

  83. Carl January 27th, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Winn made his Major League debut on May 11, 1998 as a pinch runner for the Devil Rays. On October 3, 1999, he hit an inside-the-park grand slam against the New York Yankees. No player has hit one since.

  84. Shane Schofield January 27th, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Erica –

    How do you know for $2 million more you could have had Johnny Damon? We all love Damon for his four years in pinstripes, but building a team built on sentimentality isn’t the most brilliant of ideas.

    Depending on where Damon signs, especially if it’s a place like Oakland, his offensive numbers probably won’t be all that hot. He hit .284/.349/.446 with 7 home runs on the road this year. The 795 OPS would put him in league around Kosuke Fukudome and Mike Cameron and Randy Winn’s career OPS. Factoring in defense is he worth that much more?

    Trust Cashman to make smart decisions for this team based on baseball skills rather than just physical looks.

  85. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Gardner needs to play everyday.

    Winn will be DFA’d by the AS break.

  86. DaSaint007 January 27th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Congratulations Chip!

    Ok, that’s one of the two moves.
    Just one more move left before ST…

  87. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Nick in SF
    January 27th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
    This is what I call a Win-Winn deal.

    *****************

    I will not settle until Johnny Damon actually signs a deal to play elsewhere or retires!!!!

    I am not parting with one of my ultra adorible Sesame Street checks until I have to!

  88. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    sab
    January 27th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
    GreenBeret7
    January 27th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
    sab
    January 27th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
    CHIP WINS..

    Yankees just signed Randy Winn – start the complaining…

    ————————————————————

    He had to hit on one eventually. He wanted every outfielder on the FA list at least 4 times.
    *****

    True dat GB – i guess if you say something long enough people will start believing it..
    On a separate note – if a lazy person wanted to join the armed forces – which would be the best to join so that you can “coast” the most through it?

    ————————————————————

    I can guarantee that you won’t “coast through” basic training. Once and if you get through that and a specialty school, the hard stuff starts. You’ll enjoy Iraq and Afghanistan, if your nerves can handle it.

  89. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 27th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    “Terrible signing if that $2 million number is true. Randy Winn is no longer a good ballplayer. Heck, he’s not even an average ballplayer anymore”
    ———————————————————–

    yup. Randy Winn sucks.

    don’t understand why they didn’t go with Reed Johnson.

  90. tex's friend January 27th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    He hit 10 in ‘08, 14 in ‘07 and 11 in ‘06 all while playing half his games in that cavernous park in SF (with extra games in Petco and Dodger Stadium as well). Yes, he has some pop.

    ___

    So what you are telling me is in the past he hit homeruns and is clearly losing the power part of his game?

    Granderson struggles with lefties, gardner struggles in general, and his replacement can’t hit lefties. I am sure cashman has his reasons, but most would think that you want someone who can hit lefties in the outfield.

  91. RalphieD (OPPC) January 27th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    nothing to get worked up over…winn is a veteran outfielder with some speed and plays solid (maybe even above average if you believe WAR) defense…not a terrible pickup at all..its not like they gave him 3 years 20 million! low risk/medium reward type deal

  92. Chris from NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    If Nick Johnson stays healthy and productive this is a fine move, if Johnson spends a lot of time on the DL, it leaves a pretty big whole in the lineup (that I expect Juan Miranda would fill at DH?). We HONESTLY don’t need a first ballot HOFer at every position. We have the greatest hitting infield ever assembled, and two power-hitting OFs, let’s all take a deep breath. Maybe they won’t raise the price of beer at the stadium…

  93. cashman needs to go January 27th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Trust Cashman to make smart decisions for this team based on baseball skills rather than just physical looks.
    ————————————–

    Hello Richie Sexson & Sidney Ponson

  94. Ninja Burglar January 27th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    I gotta say I’m surprised. I really thought Cash would go for Marcus Thames or Reed Johnson. But Randy Winn it is!

    Ladies and gentlemen,

    Your 2010 Yankees!!!

  95. tex's friend January 27th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    I GOT IT.

    They did this so we would all rally behind gardner to start everyday.

    smooth cash….. smooth indeed.

  96. m January 27th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Doreen,

    I only know of Winn because he was on the Giants when I was a captive listener.

    What happened to him after that (2 years ago?) is beyond me.

    Right now, he’s our newest favorite Yankee, though!

    As for the salary, what did people expect for $2m? Damon?

  97. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    “As for the salary, what did people expect for $2m? Damon?”

    Read my posts. You use the money from Mitre and Gaudin and give it + $2m to Damon.

  98. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    Shane Schofield
    January 27th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
    Erica –

    How do you know for $2 million more you could have had Johnny Damon? We all love Damon for his four years in pinstripes, but building a team built on sentimentality isn’t the most brilliant of ideas.

    Depending on where Damon signs, especially if it’s a place like Oakland, his offensive numbers probably won’t be all that hot. He hit .284/.349/.446 with 7 home runs on the road this year. The 795 OPS would put him in league around Kosuke Fukudome and Mike Cameron and Randy Winn’s career OPS. Factoring in defense is he worth that much more?

    Trust Cashman to make smart decisions for this team based on baseball skills rather than just physical looks.

    *******************

    Dude, its not about physcial looks. Please give me more credit than that. (Its also about my bet with Nick. Just kidding)

    Really, I think that Damon is just an all around better player. This guy is not younger, so there goes the trying to get younger argument. Damon is a hard player and always gived it all on the field. He also had a swing that Yankee Stadium was built for. It was just a great fit.

    I just think Damon would have bought a lot more value to the table. This is a huge, ginormous mistake. I will remind everyone consistantly that I feel this way throughout the season

  99. Chris from NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    yup. Randy Winn sucks.

    don’t understand why they didn’t go with Reed Johnson.
    ———————————————————
    He probably wanted more than $2m.

  100. Willie Nelson January 27th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    Turn out the lights
    The party’s over
    They say that
    All good things must end
    Call it tonight
    The party’s over
    And tomorrow starts
    The same old thing again

  101. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 27th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    “Hello Richie Sexson & Sidney Ponson”
    ———————————————

    Ponson pitched well, with the Yankees

  102. tex's friend January 27th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    people can say all they want about damon, but he plays through injuries. the idea he wouldnt get through more than 120 games has no basis. one time on the DL in his career.

    a team with history of injuries will regret not having that extra batr in the lineup (nj, posada, even arod)…

  103. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    Boras and Damon had a chance to recover somewhat from that misplayed chance when they told the Yankees to not bother calling if they didn’t offer 2/$26…….and still they fumbled it. Too bad for Damon but it’s his own fault.

  104. Go Johnny ! January 27th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    He’s a bridge leading to Crawford.

    Cya Johnny, hope this kicks you in the gut, for listening to Boras against your own best interest.

  105. DaSaint007 January 27th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Can we now leave LF alone?
    LF: Gardner/Granderson/Winn
    CF: Granderson/Gardner/Winn
    RF: Swisher/Hoffmann/Winn

    Flexibility is Cashman’s mantra, can’t you see that folks? Plays all OF positions. Speedy. Swish hitter, er, I mean switch hitter.

    Next.

  106. Don't Hassle the Hoff January 27th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Boo, Randy Winn DFA’d by July 1 — according to my Crystal Ball

  107. pat January 27th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Sorry, Erica, but the Heyman has spoken….

    _JonHeyman randy winn deal with #yanks done for $2 mil. damon’s a goner for sure now.
    2 minutes ago from mobile web

  108. m January 27th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Erica,

    I know that you’re honorable enough to settle any potential debt to Mr. Nick.

    But surely a financial wizard like yourself knows better than to do it with a personal check!

  109. cashman needs to go January 27th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    “As for the salary, what did people expect for $2m? Damon?”
    ————-

    Jim Thome signed for 1.5 million

  110. Patrick January 27th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    “Jim Thome signed for 1.5 million”

    Thome can’t play LF…

  111. morningstar January 27th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    I wish some of you would consider that maybe, just maybe, the front office that brought in a WS trophy last year knows what its doing?

    But please, don’t let that stop you ledge jumpers from jumping on January 27.

  112. Carl January 27th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Lets see if he can pull a Swish type of a bounce back.

  113. Chris from NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Boras and Damon had a chance to recover somewhat from that misplayed chance when they told the Yankees to not bother calling if they didn’t offer 2/$26…….and still they fumbled it. Too bad for Damon but it’s his own fault.
    —————————————————-

    If the choice was signing Damon at the dollars he wanted, or getting Vazquez for free basically, I think Cash did the right thing by spending the money on Vazquez.

  114. ko January 27th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Winn is better than Golson or Hoffman, but, then again, so is my grandmother. He’s certainly a huge downgrade from Damon.

  115. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    “Too bad for Damon but it’s his own fault.”

    What does fault have to do with it? The Yankees are losers in this sitch as well.

  116. upstate kate January 27th, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    I am surprised, even tho Cash kept saying he wasn’t signing Damon I still thought he would…sorry Erica :(

    how does wikipedia get updated so fast?

  117. RayVT January 27th, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    I believe the Yanks sign Rocco Baldelli to a minor league contract still. Last year quite a few on here wanted the Yanks to sign Winn as a starting CF. well, maybe Cash listened albeit a bit late for last year. I know Winn will be playing a corner OF spot or bench spot as depth for the youngsters. I also believe that the Yanks are insecure with CG as a starting OF.

    I have high hopes for Hoffman. Dodgers pulled him back last year on their 40-man roster after trying to slip him thru waivers. This year the Yanks got him. So I believe at least 2 teams valued his potential if not the Dodgers too.

  118. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    “I wish some of you would consider that maybe, just maybe, the front office that brought in a WS trophy last year knows what its doing?”

    So your point is that they are infallible?

  119. GI Joe January 27th, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Winn one for the Skipper!

  120. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    m
    January 27th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
    Erica,

    I know that you’re honorable enough to settle any potential debt to Mr. Nick.

    But surely a financial wizard like yourself knows better than to do it with a personal check!

    *******************

    Are you implying I should send a money order instead?? Or offer to settle in other ways………………

  121. mick January 27th, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    jeter,johnson,tex,arod,posada,granderson,cano,swisher,winn/gardner… not bad

  122. Andrew January 27th, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    So we already have people calling for Cashman to be fired & predicting a Winn DFA’ing. Pick up the game, I haven’t had enough overreaction yet. This must be LoHud at late January decibels; if Randy Winn was signed/traded for in July this place would be apoplectic.

  123. ARTIEA January 27th, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Winn doesn’t make sense to me..Reed Johnson, yes, even taking a flier on Baldelli makes more sense. I guess he’s healthy and can stay on the field.

  124. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    According to Kay, Randy Winn really wanted to be a Yankee…..well, I’m always glad to hear that. I’d like to reiterate how happy I am the Yankees stuck to their guns. I just find it ridiculous that fans praise the Sox to high heavens for valuing players and then not bidding against themselves, but when the Yankees do it, they complain. Teams are not going to be able to screw the Yankees anymore.

  125. rodg12 January 27th, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    So what you are telling me is in the past he hit homeruns and is clearly losing the power part of his game?

    ______

    LOL. Yeah, one year definitely shows he’s clearly losing the power part of his game. Cripes. Now I remember why I don’t post in game threads. Same crap going on here where people think the world is going to end because we signed Randy Winn for $2 million. Any of you who think a 33 year old Reed Johnson is an appreciably better player than a 36 year old Randy Winn need your heads examined.

  126. cashman needs to go January 27th, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Patrick
    January 27th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
    “Jim Thome signed for 1.5 million”

    Thome can’t play LF…
    ————————-

    agreed but you sign thome for DH at 1.5 mil (and the #5 spot in the lineup) and you now have enough for damon at LF

  127. Patrick January 27th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    Brett Gardner is better offensively and defensively than Randy Winn. I don’t get this move at all. $2 mill down the drains as far as I’m concerned.

  128. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    “So we already have people calling for Cashman to be fired & predicting a Winn DFA’ing.”

    I think Cash is a very good GM, his weakness is marginal roster construction, and yes, I think Winn will be DFA’d.

  129. yankswin27 January 27th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    Pretty good move for them, I’m just glad they FINALLY signed someone to be their 4th OF’er. I would have preferred Reed Johnson, but even he has some injury risks. He had lower back and knee problems and missed time last year, so we don’t know exactly how they will hold up this year. Cashman obviously wanted a durable player and he got that in Randy Winn. He will stay off the DL. Not to mention, if you look at his defensive stats, he’s a HECK of a fielder (especially on the corners). He has speed as well, so I think this move is decent. Only problem is that he doesn’t hit LHP like Johnson does, but maybe things will make a turn for the better with Winn in New York. Yankee Stadium is a lot smaller than AT&T Park, so it’s safe to say that Winn’s offensive numbers will go up. All in all, this is a pretty decent move. SO glad that they stayed away from the no-glove guys like Thames, Gomes, etc.

  130. Tom in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    If he can hit up to his road numbers last year, .295BA .345OBP .404SLG .749, he may be useful.

  131. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 27th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    The age is what surprises me.

    It’s nice and all that his stats are better pre-2009, but in June he will be 36. 36. Not young. And I’m confused.

    I could see getting someone younger than Damon.

    I thought they were going to look for a right-handed bat to complement Gardner’s left-handedness. A switch hitter who can’t hit lefties doesn’t do the Yankees any good, I think.

    So, does Winn start and Gardner’s the bench guy? Is it a platoon – though, how do you break it out, if they’re both basically left-handed hitters?

    I’m simply confused by this move.

  132. Patrick January 27th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    “agreed but you sign thome for DH at 1.5 mil (and the #5 spot in the lineup) and you now have enough for damon at LF”

    Nick Johnson is better than Jim Thome at this point..

  133. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    “According to Kay, Randy Winn really wanted to be a Yankee…..”

    And that matters because?

  134. mick January 27th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    Winn could hit 10-15 hrs lefty at the Stadium.

  135. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    NYY will find out soon enough if they signed the Randy Winn of 2009 or 2008. I’ll settle on a split of the two seasons.

  136. yankeenate January 27th, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    I hate to see Damon go…he fits in this lineup and clubhouse in some many ways. I was hoping they would wait a little it longer for Damon’s price to drop even further.

  137. pat January 27th, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    Sherman’s story on Winn

    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....7rfe1wlxkI

    “The Yankees believe there could be a chance to reach a minor-league agreement with a righty-hitting outfielder who does well against southpaws, with Rocco Baldelli a possibility.”

  138. rodg12 January 27th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    Patrick January 27th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    “Jim Thome signed for 1.5 million”

    Thome can’t play LF…

    ______
    Shoot, Thome can’t play any field…

  139. tommy j January 27th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    this culd mean a definite carl crawford pickup nxt offseason

  140. tommy j January 27th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    this culd mean a definite carl crawford pickup nxt offseason

  141. Patrick January 27th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    “Winn could hit 10-15 hrs lefty at the Stadium.”

    5 years ago maybe..

  142. ko January 27th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    The front office that brought in a World Series trophy last year, spent $420 million to do it. It had to spend that money to right a ship that that same front office ran into the ground (because of its serial incompetence). Now that the genius who spent all that money to get back on track is tapped out, he’s presenting us with this half baked team and pleading poverty that it can’t be any better. He’s the reason for the poverty to start with. We can’t sign Wang to an incentive laden contract because we have no money. We can’t sign Damon because we have no money.

  143. braeden January 27th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    Don’t feel sorry for Damon. This is what he does at contract time, he goes for the money. He said it himself he’s used to it.
    Cashman checkmated Boras!

    Damon was a casualty, because he watched his value be lowered to bargain status, steered by Boras.

  144. Andrew January 27th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    “his weakness is marginal roster construction, and yes, I think Winn will be DFA’d.”

    Because marginal roster construction in late January is always the key to winning a World Series, what with the long deeply-rooted history of key January acquisitions of bench players putting teams over the championship hump. Yawn

  145. pat January 27th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    “And that matters because?”

    He was willing to take what was offered him?

    Winn’s name has been rumored to be coming to the Yankees for years. Kind of like Marte, it was bound to happen eventually

  146. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    “Winn could hit 10-15 hrs lefty at the Stadium.”

    In how many seasons?

  147. Philippe January 27th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    We are talking about the 9yh place hitter on a Champiosnhip team. DOn;t you think we shoudl be comparing his stats to all the other 9th place hitters?

    Also, Randy Win(n) is a professional ballplayer. Gets dirty. He;s durable. Does the small things to help a team win. Can help Gardy develop into a better player. Makes the Yanks deeper in the outfield in case Swisher gets hurt. Gives YAnks a pinch-runner for Posada, and you know he’ll need one at leasta few dozen times this year. And finally, he deserves the chance to join a championship team. He’s a classy athlete and he’ll play to his stats: .286 avg; 10 hrs; 50 BA; 100K; 25 SBs. And great defense. all this from the 9 hole.

    I just wish I had tickets to watch.

  148. GI Joe January 27th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    Future Tabloid headlines:

    Yanks Winn!

    A Mighty Winn!

    Chalk-up Another Winn!

    WINNer!

    Summer Winn!

    Winn One Randy!

    Today We Winn!

    WINNing Ways!

  149. The Phranchise January 27th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    This isn’t hard to figure out which I think is the issue. They wanted a platoon player with Gardner getting the bulk of the atbats. They want a guy on the basepaths batting ninth like Gardner who can create havok. Jeter is getting older and had a great year, but a repeat performance there is difficult. And then there is Granderson who is fast, but doesn’t steal a ton. It is important in this lineup to add some speed. Hence the minor league signings. Once the lineup turns over, Gardner batting ninth may be on base for the big bats. I think more than anything else, it signals how important they want Gardner in the game and defensively rather than worrying about getting a better player out there.

  150. Yankee in ND January 27th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    Matsui and Damon gone, and we get Johnson and Winn? It just doesn’t make sense. I wanted both back, would have been somewhat ok with one, but neither??!!

  151. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    “He was willing to take what was offered him?”

    Who cares? He’s no longer a good ballplayer.

  152. tex's friend January 27th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    NYY will find out soon enough if they signed the Randy Winn of 2009 or 2008. I’ll settle on a split of the two seasons.

    ___

    hopefully winn will find hitting the al pitching better than the nl, especially the nl west.

    his numbers will likely be between the last two seasons, but hopefully he increases that .316 obp.

  153. m January 27th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    Erica,

    In other ways…? :shock:

    Perhaps a Greg Oden type picture text would settle it! (just kidding)

    money order, pay pal. Rebecca’s settled for amazon gift cards and lollipops (I know, but she’s just a kid). :)

  154. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    “Future Tabloid headlines:”

    Yankees win despite Winn.

  155. tex's friend January 27th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Matsui and Damon gone, and we get Johnson and Winn? It just doesn’t make sense. I wanted both back, would have been somewhat ok with one, but neither??!!

    ___

    the arguement only works in your favor if you dont match it up right.

    lose matsui/damon, get granderson/johnson.

  156. sar515 January 27th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Career .280 hitter vs. LH…
    Batted .288 vs LH in 2008
    Batted .351 vs. LH in 2007

    Good fielder…some speed.

    And roomed in college with Steve Nash.

    Longest tenured guy with no post season

    I think Gardner will get chance for majority of playing time…
    But…decent pick up for $2M.

    Johnny could have been here if not for Borat!

  157. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Rich in NJ
    January 27th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
    “Winn could hit 10-15 hrs lefty at the Stadium.”

    In how many seasons?

    ***************

    Hmm.. He hit 2 in 2009, so maybe 5 or 6 seasons. He’ll only be 42 by then

  158. DaSaint007 January 27th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Cashman & Co made a good move, which is all that’s needed. A good move. Not a great one. Not a bad one. A good one. Winn is a veteran. He’s fast, so you’re not losing Damon’s speed. He’s capable of playing all OF positions. He can pinch run and steal a base. He’s a switch hitter.

    AND HE’S ONLY AROUND FOR 1 YEAR.

    HELLOOOOOOO Carl Crawford!

  159. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    m
    January 27th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
    Erica,

    In other ways…?

    Perhaps a Greg Oden type picture text would settle it! (just kidding)

    money order, pay pal. Rebecca’s settled for amazon gift cards and lollipops (I know, but she’s just a kid).

    ***************

    I see where you are going with this and I understand why. I will discuss my settlement with Nick when I absolutely give up

  160. S.o.S. January 27th, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    We’re not going to lose the division or a chance at a repeat because of our #9 hitter. They gave Damon more than enough chance to comeback and sign for less. TIME TO MOVE ON.

  161. sar515 January 27th, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    “Just Winn Baby!”

    “A Winn-win situation” (My son’s)

  162. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    Rich, the Yankees are not losers – I completely disagree. LOL They are an excellent team with our without Damon; I’m very happy they stood their ground and didn’t bid against themselves.

  163. Louisiana Lightning In A Bottle January 27th, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    Even in a down year, look at Winn’s numbers in ’09 with RISP, RISP with 2 outs and with the bases loaded…

  164. mick January 27th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    doesnt hit lefties, good fielder…sounds like gardner…better luck next year

  165. matt January 27th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    “It is high, it is far, it is gone. Ahhhh Randy Winn, you just gave that ball a SPIN, and the Yankees take a 5 – 2 lead….”

  166. Patrick January 27th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    DaSaint007,

    Winn is terrible, this is not a good move.

  167. austinmac January 27th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    I’m sorry too Erica. For you personally and for the Yankees since Damon will be missed.

  168. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    Betsy

    I didn’t say they are losers in general, only in that they have signed three lousy players (Gaudin, Mitre, Winn) when they could have used the money to sign Damon, or cure cancer.

  169. GI Joe January 27th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    “Winndy City!”

  170. The Phranchise January 27th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    Regardless of a Damon signing or not, Yankees want Carl Crawford. I will say though that they are poised for one big contract next year. The choices I imagine are Mauer, Crawford and Cliff Lee in that order. If Mauer hits the market they sign him and trade Montero for a Grady Sizemore type young outfielder under a short and manageable contract using Montero who becomes expendable. If they sign Crawford their OF is set. If it’s Lee their rotation overall is pretty sick and they go more defense like the Sox have done. There will be plenty of pitchers next year though that they can sign to shorter deals who are impact guys, Brandon Webb, Beckett, maybe even Sheets.

  171. ---.---.--- January 27th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    cashman needs to go = Erica

    Cashman , unlike you has acted in the Yankees best interest
    with the budget. Show some anger at pretty boy who could’ve spoke up and told Boras ENOUGH.
    I hope he goes to the NL, THEY’LL REGRET IT BUT HE DESERVES IT.

  172. Brian Cashman $$$$$$$ January 27th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    The New York Yankees and Johnny Damon are PARTING WAYS

  173. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    Geez Rich, I’m just saying. If you’re angry fine, don’t take it out on me. You can hang Cashman in effigy for all I care, but I always give new guys a shot and I’m not going to be upset about it until I see there’s reason to be. No matter what, I think the Yankees handled the Damon situation just fine.

  174. rodg12 January 27th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    Jeter
    Johnson
    Teix
    ARod
    Granderson
    Posada
    Cano
    Swisher
    Winn

    CC
    Javy
    AJ
    Pettitte
    Joba/Hughes

    Cisco
    Pena
    Gardner
    Hoffman

    Mo
    Robertson
    Marte
    Joba/Hughes
    Aceves
    Gaudin
    Logan/Melancon

    Pretty dang good 25 man roster with lots of versatility if you ask me…

  175. Warning Track Power January 27th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    i have seen plenty of Winn and let’s just say, he was “brutal” last year. those stats do not lie. they tell the full story.
    as for his defense, it’s wonderful to have another player that can play all 3 OF spots. that will help the team very much.
    its his hitting that concerns me the most. let’s hope his ’09 season was nothing more than a year long slump. time to K. Long to show Winn a thing or two, tweak a thing here and there and get back to the player he was back in ’07, ’08.

    Damon-he will be missed terribly. but i understand there was not enough $$ to sign him.

  176. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 27th, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    “Winn is better than Golson or Hoffman, but, then again, so is my grandmother. He’s certainly a huge downgrade from Damon”
    ———————————————–

    astute analysis.

    by the way, am willing to bet you Hoffman will be a better player than Winn

    my email address is: dah_prince@yahoo.com

  177. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    LOL half-baked team. If anyone is half-baked, it’s not the Yankees.

  178. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Betsy

    I in no way meant to take it out on you. If that is how it came across, I apologize.

  179. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    —.—.—
    January 27th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
    cashman needs to go = Erica

    ***********************

    FAIL- I only post as myself. I stand by my statements

  180. Brian Cashman $$$$$$$ January 27th, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    PARTING WAYS!!!

  181. Joe January 27th, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    “Winn really wanted to be a Yankee”

    It’s been a dream of mine for a while too. I’ll accept a minor league contract.

  182. GI Joe January 27th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    Of course, if he screws up, the tabloid headline will read:

    “Ya Can’t Winn Them All”

  183. mick January 27th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    this sounds a little like the tim raines pickup of years back, although he was about 37

  184. blake January 27th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    Yuck

  185. steveoh January 27th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    sab January 27th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    On a separate note – if a lazy person wanted to join the armed forces – which would be the best to join so that you can “coast” the most through it?

    Aside from Reserves, Coast Guard, etc., Air Force, definitely (I was in the USAF). You can’t coast through Basic Training, but AF is by far the easiest. Just do a little running beforehand (1-2 miles), and don’t go to basic in the summer, as summer in San Antonio, Texas is a sauna. After basic, life in the AF is the most civilian like of all the armed forces (except for a few fields, like forward air controller). However, if you are really “lazy”, you won’t do well in the armed forces, nor many other jobs.

  186. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    Thank you :cry:

  187. whatever January 27th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    If Winn was 5 or 6 years younger than I wouldn’t mind the move, but we’re getting a 36 year old, I THOUGHT THE GOAL WAS TO GET YOUNGER AND MORE ATHELETIC? you don’t do that by signing a 36 year old.. so much for the Yankees reducing their age every year.

  188. Chris from NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Would LOVE to see Cliff Lee in pinstripes next year, holy heck. Just load up on those power lefties!

  189. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    That post was meant to go to Austinmac- oops

  190. Patrick January 27th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Now that we see what the Yankees have spent that $2 million on we can evaluate the non-signing of Johnny Damon.

    Randy Winn – $2 million
    Sergio Mitre – $0.85 million
    Chad Gaudin – $2.95 million

    Just under $6 million.

    So the two questions are:

    1. Is Johnny Damon (and the two pitchers behind Mitre/Gaudin on the depth chart) more valuable than Winn, Mitre and Gaudin combined?

    2. Would Johnny Damon have signed for 1 year @ $6 million and if not, would the Yankees expand their budget another mil or two and sign him?

    I think the answer to both questions is yes.

  191. Philippe January 27th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Plus Swisher gets an earlier exit when Yanks get the lead. Winn can pinch-run for Posada and then stay in the game for Swish. Lots of flexibility here. Winn can play all three outfield positions well, runs well, has playoff experience, and can help in so many other ways. And he’s here for one year. What’s there not to like about this signing?

    Yanks also needed to show the rest of MLB that they will not break the bank and buy up all the best players. Yanks also needed to show players’ agents that when they say they can’t afford someone, they stick to it. As for Scott Boras, his ship is springing leaks. I wonder how many players will abandon his ship. Will Damon be the first? That’s the only way he could save face and sign with a team for less than what the Yanks offered ($14m/2 years). For that kind of money, Yanks got Vasquez and Winn. Not too shabby.

  192. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 27th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    “Winn is terrible, this is not a good move”
    ———————————————–

    if Baldelli makes the team as a non-roster signing, and Randy Winn gets cut of out spring training, i could live with it though.

  193. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Rich, I don’t think Gaudin is lousy at all; I like him for what he is – he’s very useful. We obviously disagree about Damon; they could not have signed him at what Damon wanted. Blaming the Yankees (for those who are) for valuing a player at a certain price and then sticking to it makes no sense. Bidding against themselves makes no sense.

  194. Andrew January 27th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    The infallible and ruthlessly efficient talent evaluators of the LoHud blog have spoken, the results are in: you can’t win with Winn as your 4th outfielder, so I guess I’ll ask for my season tickets to be refunded as a result of this move.

    It’s a shame we don’t root for a team like the Yankees who are well known go out and address clear holes on their roster when necessary in the middle of seasons. So now I guess once Winn, Gardner and whoever else inevitably flop, we will remember this Black Wednesday January 27th as the day that the championship was lost.

  195. m January 27th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    lol @ Brian Cashman’s post from 4:23.

    Someone was giving him a hard time the other day, but he may have the last laugh yet.

  196. Chris from NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    this sounds a little like the tim raines pickup of years back, although he was about 37
    —————————————————
    Randy Winn is no Tim Raines. But he brings speed and defense to a team that needs that a heck of a lot more than power from the 9 hole.

  197. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 27th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Louisiana Lightning -

    Good catch.

    I went to his MLB site and the have two videos up. One is of him hitting a sac-fly and the other driving in a run with a ground ball to first.

    If he’s a good situational hitter type, that’ll work.

    Trying to keep an open mind here. :)

  198. Buck Nasty January 27th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    This is a fine move it isnt going to make or break anything. If winn plays better he’ll start in LF if Gardy plays better he’ll start. Rocco Baldelli? really? when was the last time he wasnt hurt, he doesnt reall help us from the DL. we were not looking for a long term solution in LF with this signing everyone chill. As for our offense is not going to be as good people? idk what your basing this off of because from ym view we upgraded offensively with every signing and I believe Nick can do jus as good as hideki did as a DH losing Johnny and Melky does not leave a huge hole in our lineup srry

  199. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 27th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    “Ya Can’t Winn Them All”
    —————————–
    please everyone stop with the lame puns. Thanks.

  200. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    “this sounds a little like the tim raines pickup of years back, although he was about 37″

    No, it doesn’t.

    Raines’s OPS+ the year before he became a Yankee was 111. IOW, he was 11% above average while Winn was 25% below.

  201. joeman January 27th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    not feeling Winn…but for 2 mil your not going to get much

  202. Brian Cashman $$$$$$$ January 27th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    m
    January 27th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
    lol @ Brian Cashman’s post from 4:23.

    Someone was giving him a hard time the other day, but he may have the last laugh yet.

    Don’t forget the last part of my quote. I said, we’re PARTING WAYS.

  203. Patrick January 27th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    “Randy Winn is no Tim Raines. ”

    What?

    is no .

    Thanks for the insight guy

  204. Eric January 27th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    Matsui and Damon gone, and we get Johnson and Winn? It just doesn’t make sense. I wanted both back, would have been somewhat ok with one, but neither??!!

    Heyman tried to do this too, lol. Forgetting about somebody? Perhaps somebody younger and better than both of those guys?

  205. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    So, would they have gotten younger signing Damin?

    Damon didn’t wznt to okay for what the Yankees were offering. When that happens, you don’t bid against yourself, you move on.

    They will probablyvsign another OF to a minor league contract and have them all fight it out for PT.

  206. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Rich, no problem – just a simple disagreement. By the way, I know you weren’t referring to the Yankees as losers in general, just in this situation. I’m always willing to give new guys a fair shot, but for me, this isn’t about Winn. It’s about the Yankees refusing to be held hostage by other teams or agents/players.

  207. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Betsy

    I view it as the most prudent way to utilize assets.

  208. baseballfab January 27th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    I refuse to drink the koolaid.

    Damon was PERFECT for the stadium, and the clubhouse.

    Heck he did most of the after game interviews.

    Always worked hard, great with the fans, great on the team, everybody loved him.

    This is ridiculous, all of a sudden we have a budget?

    What a joke.

  209. The Phranchise January 27th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Sign Winn = Gardner playing time >

    Sign Damon = Gardner playing time = 0 pinch runner

    Gardner on the basepaths capable of 40+ steals next year.
    He improved his bat at each level after getting his at bats in. He’s not a superstar, but if he becomes a .280 hitter and gets walks, cuts down on ks, he can become a force at the bottom of the lineup.

  210. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    FYI – Girardi on with Francesca at 5pm

  211. steveoh January 27th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Yankee in ND January 27th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    Matsui and Damon gone, and we get Johnson and Winn? It just doesn’t make sense. I wanted both back, would have been somewhat ok with one, but neither??!!

    No, we lost Matsui, Damon and Melky, and got Granderson, Johnson and Winn.

  212. sean January 27th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Gardener has been busting his ass to be the next LF, this will give him some extra encouragement as well as a back up in case hes having a rough week. Girardi has amazing flexibility to work with to keep everyone fresh.

    Winn playing in a huge park so no wonder he had 2 homeruns. I would be on him hitting >2 at Yankee Stadium.

    Those that question Cashman: Whats the last team you brought to a World Series? He knows what hes doing, Baldelli is a risk and who knows if Reed Johnson has something that Cash is worried about. Im pretty sure he checked up on all these things instead of picking a FA OF blind.

    Johnny is the man, but he had a career year, who knows if he can accomplish that again.

    Cash had to make a statement to Boras that he best not be F’ed with, Johnny should have taken the 2/10 deal but he didnt.

    If you dont like it…go be a Mets fan

    and Erica, you are being a bit of a drama queen. :0

  213. Patrick January 27th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    My post didn’t really show up how I intended. My point was that it’s not very insightful to compare Tim Raines (a hall of fame caliber player) to Randy Winn (an average player, at best). It’s like saying “Scott Brosius is no Mike Schmidt but..”

  214. Carl January 27th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Betsy -Romine wasn’t built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    FYI – Girardi on with Francesca at 5pm

    lol @ the super bowl contest on wfan

  215. thisguy January 27th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    hes a defensive upgrade, but it doesnt make much sense considering how he couldnt hit lefties…i guess they want someone who is more durable and can play more everyday…baldelli might have made more sense, but again, health is an obvious issue with him.

  216. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 27th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    “Randy Winn is no Tim Raines. But he brings speed and defense to a team that needs that a heck of a lot more than power from the 9 hole”
    ————————————————

    Reed Johnson can provide good defense, and play all 3 OF positions. And also hits LF pitching, very well.

    don’t understand Randy Winn, and not Johnson

  217. Preisendanz January 27th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    I think people aren’t looking long term either. These one-year deals are just to keep payroll down for the BONANZA of free agents next year.

    The front office knew this year was going to be thin, so that’s why they went crazy last year with the signings.

    This a dangerously good front office now. Not only do we have the cash to go get guys, but we’re being smarter about long-term deals.

  218. Brian Cashman $$$$$$$ January 27th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Ya’ll need to listen to me next time!

  219. Buck Nasty January 27th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Damon needs the yankees more than the yankees need Damon

  220. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    It’s an underwhelming signing.

    However, unlike many, I don’t think LF is a make or break position on this club.

    If these guys don’t work out by mid-season, they will hit the trade market.

  221. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    Rich in NJ
    January 27th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
    Betsy

    I didn’t say they are losers in general, only in that they have signed three lousy players (Gaudin, Mitre, Winn) when they could have used the money to sign Damon, or cure cancer.

    ————————————————————

    Hurry and run down to your local WalMart’s. They’re having a 2 for 1 sale on Klennex and Pampers.

  222. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    “If these guys don’t work out by mid-season, they will hit the trade market.”

    But burning their already depleted farm system is a suboptimal way to improve the team.

  223. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    sean
    January 27th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    and Erica, you are being a bit of a drama queen. :0

    ***************

    Me????????????????? Never :roll:

    I warned y’all of a giant hissy in the event of this scenario

  224. GeorgeInJax January 27th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    At 36, I see Randy Winn as just a depth guy, while giving Gardner a chance to develop. I don’t see him as any upgrade to Gardner.

    He will be a bridge to the development of the young guys, Gardner, Golson or Hoffman or just a bridge to another acquisition next year.

  225. mick January 27th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    So, would they have gotten younger signing Damin?

    Damon didn’t wznt to okay for what the Yankees were offering. When that happens, you don’t bid against yourself, you move on.

    They will probablyvsign another OF to a minor league contract and have them all fight it out for PT.
    ——————————
    Thats either a drunk SJ or an imposter. SJ can spell.

  226. Andrew January 27th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    “This is ridiculous, all of a sudden we have a budget?

    What a joke.”

    A budget that is still way higher than every other team and still featured a number of additions of quality players this offseason (2009 Randy Winn, not included in this). A budget that also has not been deemed hard and fast thus precluding midseason acquisitions. But yeah, a budget of something like $200 million worth of what is still the best collection of baseball players in the league. But signing that bum Randy Winn, just outrageous!

  227. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    GB7

    “Hurry and run down to your local WalMart’s. They’re having a 2 for 1 sale on Klennex and Pampers.”

    Sure thing, and while I’m there I will get you a case of Kool-Aid.

  228. Marc January 27th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    This is a $2,000,000 waste of money! I have no idea why the Yankees made this deal. They should have spent an extra $5,000,000 and signed Johnny. They better sign someone (Crawford) next off season. I can tell you this, I won’t be spending the excessive amount of money it takes to go to any games at the Stadium this year. If Hal wants to fill his pockets instead of seats he’s doing a good job. It’s not like they didn’t have the money to sign Damon…

  229. tex's friend January 27th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    johnny damon is in negotiations with tampa now.

  230. Gardner in CF January 27th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    Philippe January 27th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Winn can play all three outfield positions well, runs well, has playoff experience, and can help in so many other ways.

    Winn has 0 playoff experience

  231. Bronx Jeers January 27th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    So I guess Cash wasn’t bluffing with that 2 mil$ limit.

    And to those blaming Cashman, Why?

    It’s not his call. If ownership wanted Damon, they would have made another offer. Maybe Johnny would have taken 5mil maybe not. From what I can tell, that 2nd offer was never made.

    Reed Johnson does mash lefties but he’s a risk with a balky back.

    Thames probably would have cost too much.

    Dye? well Winn’s probably a bit more flexible and definitely faster. Obviously Dye has a lot more power,

    Winn just fits the needs and at the right price.

  232. mick January 27th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    Reed Johnson can provide good defense, and play all 3 OF positions. And also hits LF pitching, very well.

    don’t understand Randy Winn, and not Johnson
    —————————————-
    Reed could be next

  233. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    tex’s friend
    January 27th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
    johnny damon is in negotiations with tampa now.

    ********************

    I quit!

  234. Patrick January 27th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    Even if the Yankees don’t target Damon, I feel the money spent on Mitre, Gaudin and Winn could have been spent better elsewhere. That’s almost 6 million spent on mediocre players. Just my opinion but they could have gotten more impact elsewhere.

  235. Philippe January 27th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    Damon was great, but Damon plays for Damon. Yanks need more players who would take pay cuts to play at the Stadium and then prove why they belong. Players should be begging their agents to become Yankees. Damon wasn’t. He has more money than we’ll ever make (collectively), yet he wanted more. Why? What a wasted opportunity for Damon and a great one for someone who was born to WINN. And be a Yankee.

    Thanks for reading. Even if you disagree, at least your not a Red Sox fan.

  236. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    “Even if the Yankees don’t target Damon, I feel the money spent on Mitre, Gaudin and Winn could have been spent better elsewhere. ”

    Why can’t everyone see this?!!?!?!?!?!?

  237. mick January 27th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    They should have spent an extra $5,000,000 and signed Johnny.
    ——————————–
    Who sez he takes it?

  238. m January 27th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    What’s this from Carig’s blog? Is that cumulative or an average?

    SCOREBOARD | 35.3

    Winn’s three-year Ultimate Zone Rating (UZR) as an outfielder according to Fangraphs, an indication that he still maintains strong defensive skills.

  239. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    The farm system isn’t “depleted”.

    There are more good prospects who will hit Tampa and Charleston this year and guys like Vasquez and Nunez can certainly get you an OF if needed.

  240. CENTRAL CT YANKEE January 27th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    WFAN is Hysterical

  241. tex's friend January 27th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Even if the Yankees don’t target Damon, I feel the money spent on Mitre, Gaudin and Winn could have been spent better elsewhere. ”

    Why can’t everyone see this?!!?!?!?!?!?

    ____

    Where would you suggest?

  242. BigSix January 27th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Doesn’t this team have enough offense to not need Damon?

    Damon is a 7-8 inning outfielder anyway, isn’t he?

    Am I the only one who remembers those grendades he lobbed into Molina and Posada from LF in the World Series?

    I’d rather have a rotation of Gardner, Swisher, Winn and Granderson than Damon making a circus of flyballs and an adventure of plays at the plate.

  243. joeman January 27th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    would you have traded Matsui, Damon and Melky, for Granderson, Johnson and Winn

  244. Yankee in ND January 27th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    Sorry for my goof. A real big apology to Granderson. How could I forget him??!! I think it was my downer over Damon being history.

  245. Marc January 27th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    Where else is Johnny going to get $7 mil? How do we know he wouldn’t have taken it? Wouldn’t you rather have Damon than Winn?

  246. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 January 27th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    This is the NY Yankees, don’t think for one moment, that the Yankees will allow Any one player, to hold them captive.

    Damon has an exalted opinion of himself.That might work on a different team, but Cashman had Mucho Cajones to stick to his plan,clap clap! HE BEAT BORAS at his over hyped game plan.

    Joe and his staff have definition now of the team and players, and will be on it in spring training.

  247. mick January 27th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    live with it…jd is gone…he was a 1 year guy…next year its crawford…we will have to muddle thru ’10…ha ha we are playoff bound

  248. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    “There are more good prospects who will hit Tampa and Charleston this year and guys like Vasquez and Nunez can certainly get you an OF if needed.”

    They traded A Jack, Dunn, and Vizcaino. That’s a depletion.

  249. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    I have the perfect metaphor to express how I few this situation-

    You find a really amazing pair of jeans in a store. They fit perfect and they will match everything in your closet. But they are a little out of your price range. Instead, you buy a really cheap pair of jeans off the clearance rack that fit your budget perfect. They don’t fit right and don’t match. You wind up wearing them once and throwing them out and you wasted your money on them. (Lets just all hope the dye from the cheap jeans doesn’t ruin all of your other clothing in the wash).

    And for those who don’t follow metaphors well-
    Amazing Jeans = Johnny Damon
    Cheap Jeans = Randy Winn

  250. Louisiana Lightning In A Bottle January 27th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Winn made 9.6 MM in 2009 and put up the worst numbers of his career. However, a closer look will show that he was very reliable in the clutch:

    Split ? G GS PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
    123 8 9 8 3 2 0 0 7 0 0 1 1 .375 .444 .625 1.069
    12- 26 27 24 7 1 0 0 6 0 0 2 2 .292 .346 .333 .679
    1-3 26 26 20 9 2 1 0 16 0 0 2 2 .450 .423 .650 1.073
    1– 76 84 76 22 3 0 0 0 0 0 7 10 .289 .349 .329 .678
    –3, 2 out 22 25 22 9 3 0 0 13 0 0 3 2 .409 .480 .545 1.025
    –3,lt 2 out 39 41 26 10 3 1 0 22 0 0 6 6 .385 .415 .577 .992
    –3 16 16 10 4 1 0 0 5 0 0 3 3 .400 .500 .500 1.000
    Men On 130 226 192 59 11 2 1 50 0 0 22 29 .307 .368 .401 .769
    — 144 371 346 82 22 3 1 1 0 0 25 64 .237 .288 .327 .615
    RISP 101 142 116 37 8 2 1 50 0 0 15 19 .319 .379 .448 .827
    -2- 44 49 44 11 1 1 1 9 0 0 4 9 .250 .313 .386 .699
    -23 14 15 10 3 1 0 0 7 0 0 3 2 .300 .400 .400 .800

  251. Comet January 27th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Hi Erica:

    My Sympathies!!! IMO a bad move by the NYY. Reed Johnson would have been better if his medicals held up. JD was right guy to bring back. Anyone from the NL is suspect. Randy Winn reminds me of Tony Womack. Hope that I am wrong.

  252. Pat M. January 27th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Not what many expected, but Randy will fill the club’s needs well…..I can see him actually being an everyday player over Brett Gardner….Gardner’s hoping he’ll show enough to be at least a platoon option with Randy….

  253. Marc January 27th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    The Yankees could have taken $2mil in singles and burned them outside on the streets of NY and at least people could have gotten warm from the fire. Does anyone think that Winn really helps the team?

  254. mick January 27th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Where else is Johnny going to get $7 mil? How do we know he wouldn’t have taken it? Wouldn’t you rather have Damon than Winn?
    ————————-you are being short-sighted jd was a 1 year fix

  255. baseballfab January 27th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Oh GREAT.

    Now we can act like Red Sox fans.

    Let us all bad mouth Damon and say how we didn’t need him, to salve the burn of his loss.

    He stunk.

    Don’t need him.

    Blah Blah Blah.

    :(

  256. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    “Where would you suggest?”

    As I said, I would have not signed Mitre, Gaudin, and Winn and offered the money to Damon. If he said no, I would keep the money for any in season need that arose.

  257. youngtimer January 27th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Winn was garbage last year — the Giants are my bf’s team. I can’t believe we signed him! Noooooooooooooooooooooooo

  258. steveoh January 27th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    # Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    “Even if the Yankees don’t target Damon, I feel the money spent on Mitre, Gaudin and Winn could have been spent better elsewhere. ”

    Why can’t everyone see this?!!?!?!?!?!?

    They do need some backup pitching, and not just green minor leaguers.

  259. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    “…..I can see him actually being an everyday player over Brett Gardner….Gardner’s hoping he’ll show enough to be at least a platoon option with Randy….”

    Nope.

  260. mick January 27th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    winn can be a hairston type…one more move…on the cheap

  261. tex's friend January 27th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    ok this isnt going to be a platoon. one will be a backup for the other.

    And Tampa will likely give damon 7 mil.

  262. Philippe January 27th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    January 27th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
    Philippe January 27th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Winn can play all three outfield positions well, runs well, has playoff experience, and can help in so many other ways.

    Winn has 0 playoff experience

    Good catch, Gardy. But Winn will have 11 playoff games in 2010.

  263. Andrew January 27th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    How is it drinking the Kool-Aid to not really be outraged that the Yankees spent $2 million on Randy Winn to be the projected 4th outfielder going into Spring Training?

    Furthermore all this harping about Gaudin and Mitre’s salaries, Gaudin was good for the Yankees last year and if used properly he can be good for them again in 2010. I don’t understand how this is some major waste of money, given that he will be in the bullpen and probably logging long-relief innings when one of the starters has a terrible 4 inning start (it happens).

    Also I love the fuzzy math that is now being presented as fact here about how Damon would have just definitely agreed to sign back with NYY for the money the Yankees are now spending on Gaudin, Mitre and Winn! Because you guys are all so well-connected into Johnny & S.Boras’ intentions with your inside info and what not.

  264. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    “They do need some backup pitching, and not just green minor leaguers.”

    They have seven starter:

    CC, AJ, Andy, Javy, Hughes, Joba, Ace

  265. rodg12 January 27th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    tex’s friend January 27th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    johnny damon is in negotiations with tampa now.

    ___________
    This would make little sense for Tampa unless they’re planning on just eating Burrell’s contract or trading Crawford. They gonna make Johnny the full-time DH? Already have Crawford in LF and Upton in CF. Where would he play?

  266. George from Queens January 27th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    the Randy Winn pickup seems more like a mid-season move than an off-season one.

    Hopefully he’s just a minor league pickup and the Yankee sign Damon.

    Ah, who am I kidding, the Yankees are being cheap here.

  267. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    “How is it drinking the Kool-Aid to not really be outraged that the Yankees spent $2 million on Randy Winn to be the projected 4th outfielder going into Spring Training?”

    Because he stinks.

  268. Marc January 27th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Mick—
    What do you consider Winn? The answer?

  269. tex's friend January 27th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    “Where would you suggest?”

    As I said, I would have not signed Mitre, Gaudin, and Winn and offered the money to Damon. If he said no, I would keep the money for any in season need that arose.

    ___

    YOu mean like pitching depth?

    winn may not be the answer but this is a bad argument. yankees need pitching depth and Gaudin has experience (starter for most teams), and Mitre is less than 1 mil.

  270. CB January 27th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    “don’t understand why they didn’t go with Reed Johnson.”

    Winn is a puzzling signing in many ways, but the fact that they decided to sign Winn rather than Johnson says something about how they’ve evaluated Gardner.

    Reed Johnson would have been a more straightforward signing if the notion was a strict platoon.

    Winn ostensibly gives them some risk stratification that Johnson doesn’t because Winn can in theory hit from the left side. As such he provided a different kind of complement to Gardner.

    I guess they think last year may have been an aberration or at least the signing is worth the risk.

    I would have liked Damon back but over the past few days it seemed like that clearly was no longer in the cards.

    And my sense is that much of that was driven by Boras. Cashman’s comments yesterday were just about as direct a swipe at Boras as you can get without using his name.

  271. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 27th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    Reed could be next
    —————————-

    Mick: they wouldn’t have signed Winn then. Maybe Baldelli will be next (non-roster signing)

  272. GI Joe January 27th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    Poor Erica,

    This deal just took the Winn outta her sail.

  273. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    “Also I love the fuzzy math that is now being presented as fact here about how Damon would have just definitely agreed to sign back with NYY for the money the Yankees are now spending on Gaudin, Mitre and Winn! Because you guys are all so well-connected into Johnny & S.Boras’ intentions with your inside info and what not.”

    Do you love to make stuff up too? Because that isn’t what I said:

    “As I said, I would have not signed Mitre, Gaudin, and Winn and offered the money to Damon. If he said no, I would keep the money for any in season need that arose.”

  274. tex's friend January 27th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    either hughes or joba will be in the pen, effectively eliminating that one as pitching depth. Aceves too will be in the pen…

  275. franky b January 27th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    damon signs with detroit.

  276. Marc January 27th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Sherman’s sources believe Damon would be willing to play for $7MM, partially deferred.

    — Who called it?

  277. G. Love January 27th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Really not into this move at all.

    I was ready to move on from Damon but this is such a lackluster choice.

    Not feeling it.

  278. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    “YOu mean like pitching depth?”

    Not necessarily. I mean quality.

    Remember, Sherman reported that Hal turned down Cash’s attempt to acquire Cameron last season for salary reasons.

    That’s what I would try to prevent.

  279. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Rich in NJ
    January 27th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
    “There are more good prospects who will hit Tampa and Charleston this year and guys like Vasquez and Nunez can certainly get you an OF if needed.”

    They traded A Jack, Dunn, and Vizcaino. That’s a depletion.

    ————————————————————

    They got a replacement for Jackson (and a very good one). They have more than enough in the system to replace the other two. Not sure that Dunn is that difficult to replace, anyway.

  280. Louisiana Lightning In A Bottle January 27th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Boras hasn’t moved off of his 10MM per year demand since December.

  281. baseballfab January 27th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Koolaid = Winn is a good sign.

    Losing Damon is Ok, because we got Winn and saved a lot of money.

    Yay.

    Hope the Yanks send all of us 10 bucks for the money we saved.

  282. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    “either hughes or joba will be in the pen, effectively eliminating that one as pitching depth. Aceves too will be in the pen…”

    So you want Mitre or Gaudin in the rotation instead? Not me.

  283. DaSaint007 January 27th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Let’s keep this in perspective:

    The Yankees signed Randy Winn to a contract in the $2MM region. The Royals signed Rick Ankiel to a $3.25MM contract. Now THAT was dumb.

  284. steveoh January 27th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    # Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    “They do need some backup pitching, and not just green minor leaguers.”

    They have seven starter:

    CC, AJ, Andy, Javy, Hughes, Joba, Ace

    One of Joba/Hughes is going to be the 8th inning guy, and I (and probably the Yankees) think it’s going to be Joba. Ace will be the long man. So, when one of CC, AJ, Javy, Andy or Hughes can’t start, who do you go to? Joba and Ace will not be stretched out. They did need the depth of Gaudin and Mitre.

  285. Philippe January 27th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Damon can play for the Rays and enjoy being a DH or PF (Poor Fielder) for the 3rd best team in the American League East.

  286. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    “They got a replacement for Jackson (and a very good one). They have more than enough in the system to replace the other two. Not sure that Dunn is that difficult to replace, anyway.”

    You mean Granderson?

    That doesn’t change the fact that the mL system has been depleted.

    Boone Logan?

  287. Nick in SF January 27th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    ““A Winn-win situation” (My son’s) ”

    Dad? When did you start reading LoHud???

    Erica, no sweat. I expect to L :( SE the Chien-ming Wang bet, so it’ll be a wash. It’s ok to hold off until that is settled.

    I will attempt to ignore m’s cruel insinuations. :(

  288. Ace High January 27th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    I like this move because of Winn’s mobility, durability and versatility. He replaces a switch hitter in Melky and his career avg. vs. lefties is .280. .288 against right-handers. He replaces the speed of Damon on defense and on the bases. Needless to say he throws better than Damon although his arm isn’t well suited for right field. Best of all I like the fact he has hit a robust .370 with runners in scoring position and two outs for his career. He made $9.6 million last year and appears to be a real bargain at $2 million. I’m assuming he gave up money for the chance to play for a winner in the Yankees. That’s something Damon wouldn’t do.

  289. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    That’s not a depletion.

    A LH AA relief pitcher who can’t find the plate and a short season A Ball kid doesn’t deplete the farm system.

    Jackson brought back Granderson. A big upgrade.

    Jose Ramirez and Wilkin DeLa Rosa will make people forget about Vizcaino and Dunn.

  290. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    “One of Joba/Hughes is going to be the 8th inning guy, and I (and probably the Yankees) think it’s going to be Joba. Ace will be the long man. So, when one of CC, AJ, Javy, Andy or Hughes can’t start, who do you go to? Joba and Ace will not be stretched out. They did need the depth of Gaudin and Mitre.”

    You really want to waste Joba or Hughes in the pen? That’s a supreme waste of talent.

    I would start the loser of the Joba/Hughes thing at AAA. Rotation problem solved.

  291. The Phranchise January 27th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Rays believe Johnny Damon would sign for $7 million.

    Yankees would have never approached that now adding the cost of the luxury tax on top if they weren’t 100% convinced he was the key to another championship. Durability that he would last the year. The defense. A lot fo questions.

    Wish Johnny the best and would have loved to see him back. But from a business standpoint for Cash it doesn’t make sense.

    And I agree with whoever posted, let’s not be Sox fans. It’s typical for them to throw guys under the bus when they leave for money. Johnny was a great player, got us a ring. Came for the money, may leave for the money. He will clearly be missed, but at a certain age teams have to make decisions. This may backfire or it may be the right call. Only time will tell. But appreciate what he did and what he brought to the table.

  292. Andrew January 27th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Yeah Rich in NJ, because you are the only one running the failproof math equations re: the salaries of those 3 guys and how it’s all wasted money and how it should have been used differently. It’s not all about you buddy, although I realize this is a very trying time for you in the wake of this terribly inconsequential signing.

    You also fail to acknowledge that there is no indication that the Yankees simply will not be able to/refuse to spend equal to or more than the $6 or $7 mill they have tied up in Winn/Gaudin/Mitre at the deadline. But then again you also seem to be convinced that the Yankees have no prospects left to trade for anyone good at the deadline, so yeah, whatever. Keep the Kleenex close.

  293. rodg12 January 27th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    We seriously still have people whining about losing Vizcaino around here. Unbelievable.

  294. Louisiana Lightning In A Bottle January 27th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Overall comparison 2009 : 2010

    Offense: Comparable, perhaps a slight edge to 09
    Defense: 2010 team is much better in the OF
    SP: Javy makes 2010 better and much deeper
    BP: A draw
    Overall: What’s not to like about the 2010 roster.

  295. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Comet
    January 27th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
    Hi Erica:

    My Sympathies!!! IMO a bad move by the NYY. Reed Johnson would have been better if his medicals held up. JD was right guy to bring back. Anyone from the NL is suspect. Randy Winn reminds me of Tony Womack. Hope that I am wrong.
    ************

    Thank you. I hope I am wrong too, but I just don’t foresee any benefit here

  296. mick January 27th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    girardi with francesa at 5:05….forget damon, his ship has sailed…cash wasn’t kidding…winn is not the answer but a piece of a puzzle..if our success depends on him we are in deep doodoo…credit cash for standing pat and not giving in to borat,kudos…you don’t know what he wanted, probably outlandish….there will be more moves, no need to panic

  297. Pat M. January 27th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Rich in NJ…..Your ” NOPE ” comment we’ll revisit in July, same as Matsui’s numbers will be stronger than Johnson’s…..Usully I simply dismiss off the wall comments, however in your case I view differently….Maybe that flies in the NY Times blog, but not here….You no baseball, but you come across just a little too much in the know !!!!

  298. ---.---.--- January 27th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Erica

    I stand by my statements too. If you just need to look at Damon go to his website, heck send him our condolences on the rest of his career.

    Next,slap yourself and come back to your team. In rote say There’s no I in team! Wake up and smell the coffee, HE’S GONE.

    Damon will be missed but he could have stepped in between Boras/Cashman before it reached this level.

  299. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    “Jackson brought back Granderson. A big upgrade.”

    I would trade much of the farm system for Hanley Ramirez and Josh Johnson. The ML team will be better but the mL system would still be depleted.

    They are distinct issues.

  300. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Nick in SF
    January 27th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
    ““A Winn-win situation” (My son’s) ”

    Dad? When did you start reading LoHud???

    Erica, no sweat. I expect to L SE the Chien-ming Wang bet, so it’ll be a wash. It’s ok to hold off until that is settled.

    I will attempt to ignore m’s cruel insinuations.

    *******************

    Thats fair. As long as you know, I will not use my charm to to weasel out of my losses (if it comes to it). I am a girl of my word!!!

  301. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Pat M

    “.You no baseball, but you come across just a little too much in the know !!!!”

    I am just frustrated.

  302. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    http://twitter.com/nyp_joelsherman
    Quote:
    Yankees considered Winn a better overall player than Reed Johnson, though Winn is not a good hitter from RH side.

  303. Bronx Jeers January 27th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Setting:

    Early tomorrow morning. Somewhere in the 5 Towns area. Erica has just finished her 5th Johnny Walker Black straight up. Despondently, she writes out a 25$ check to Nick in SF. It’s the end of an era.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJAi82v__2M

  304. randyhater January 27th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Randy friggin Winn? Unbelievable. I guess Cashman didn’t want Garnder to feel any pressure so he went and got the one available veteran less capable with a bat than him.

    I’d have dragged Bernie out of retirement, swinging a guitar, before I’d have given 10 cents to this washed up nobody.

    This is all on Cashman and his out of control arrogance. Fredo Corleone Jr. is so desperate to prove to everybody that he’s not stupid, and that the team’s success isn’t just Steinbrenner money, that he’s blown out a third of a championship line-up, and squandered the organization’s most ML ready position prospect, our 7th starter, and our best pitching prospect, to create a team that’s worse than the one that ended the season.

    Oh and did I mention that we brought back Javy Vasquez, a proven choke artist who was front and center during the worst moment in the history of the franchise?

    On the bright side, Cash really showed Boras who was boss and we saved a couple of million dollars. That should make us feel a lot better when every rag-arm lefty in the game is breezing though the bottom of our line-up.

  305. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes January 27th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    I think Cashman has made it clear that in LF, he is more concerned with defense then any kind of modestly impacting bat at the bottom of the lineup.

    I think its a good move, we have plenty of options in LF/CF at this point and should get more than enough offense from the first 7 hitters in the lineup.

    Sadly, this officially marks the end of the Damon era in NY.

    Best of luck Johnny, especially with finding a bigger contract than what the Yankees offered you back in December.

  306. CountryClub January 27th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Come off the ledge, people.

    This is a solid signing of a 4th outfielder. It’s a 1 yr deal for 2 mil; I mean come on.

    I’m sure he’ll compete with Gardner in camp and Girardi will go with the hot hand like he did with Melky and gardner last yr.

    Don’t get caught up in his offensive numbers last yr. He’s been a solid hitter for most of his career and he had a bad yr last yr. It could be a trend…or it could be a blip. Either way, his defense is still plus at all three spots and he has a good arm.

  307. blake January 27th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Trade Winn for Melky.

  308. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    “Yeah Rich in NJ, because you are the only one running the failproof math equations re: the salaries of those 3 guys and how it’s all wasted money and how it should have been used differently. It’s not all about you buddy, although I realize this is a very trying time for you in the wake of this terribly inconsequential signing.”

    I am offering my opinion. That’s what comment sections are for.

    “You also fail to acknowledge that there is no indication that the Yankees simply will not be able to/refuse to spend equal to or more than the $6 or $7 mill they have tied up in Winn/Gaudin/Mitre at the deadline. But then again you also seem to be convinced that the Yankees have no prospects left to trade for anyone good at the deadline, so yeah, whatever. Keep the Kleenex close.”

    That’s not true. We have the reported example by Sherman that Hal vetoed Cash’s trade for Cameron at last year’s deadline for salary reason.

    Do you own stock in Kimberly-Clark?

  309. Abdababdaserser January 27th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    I’m having a tough time understanding this move by Cashman. I don’t see Winn as a great pick up. I would have rather he did nothing than this signing. It just seems like throwing away those millions of dollars.

    I think the Yankees are not going to be very happy about this move, and the official passing on Damon.

    If the budget was that much of a concern just stick with Gardner and call up the minor leaguers if there are injuries and call the season over.

    Winn isn’t going to be any kind of major cog in a winning team.

  310. m January 27th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    Two of those 7 will likely be in the bullpen, then where do you turn?

    Gaudin > Clippard
    Gaudin > DeSalvo
    Gaudin > Chase Wright

    And although I can understand the disappointment, it’s a stretch to say that Damon is better than or has better value (key word in this situation) than any combination of 3 major league players (as fringe as you see them).

  311. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    I imagine the decision between Winn and Johnson may have been decided by the continual back issues that Johnson has had along with a foot fracture and old football injuries.

  312. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes January 27th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    randyhater,

    Are you even a Yankees fan?

    Please re-read your post before answering that question.

    You realize Winn will be splitting time in LF and hitting at the bottom of the lineup right? Its a one year contract…

    RE: Vasquez, you will quickly learn that this was an excellent move, definitely my favorite of the offseason. As a 4th starter, it doesn’t get much better than this.

  313. YankeeRay January 27th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    “No, we lost Matsui, Damon and Melky, and got Granderson, Johnson and Winn.”
    ——-

    No, we got Granderson, Johnson, Winn and Vasquez

  314. sab January 27th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    steveoh
    January 27th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
    sab January 27th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    On a separate note – if a lazy person wanted to join the armed forces – which would be the best to join so that you can “coast” the most through it?

    Aside from Reserves, Coast Guard, etc., Air Force, definitely (I was in the USAF). You can’t coast through Basic Training, but AF is by far the easiest. Just do a little running beforehand (1-2 miles), and don’t go to basic in the summer, as summer in San Antonio, Texas is a sauna. After basic, life in the AF is the most civilian like of all the armed forces (except for a few fields, like forward air controller). However, if you are really “lazy”, you won’t do well in the armed forces, nor many other jobs.

    ******

    Thanks steveoh and GB..

    Oh its not for me – i’m 40 years old and never had an urge to get up at 4am to do even some light running …it was just a curious question I had and wanted to ask someone with some experience…

  315. rodg12 January 27th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    “squandered the organization’s most ML ready position prospect, our 7th starter, and our best pitching prospect”

    Complete and total useless drivel. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!

  316. Noreaster January 27th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    My condolences Erica.

  317. mick January 27th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    Sadly, this officially marks the end of the Damon era in NY.
    —————————
    The Damon Era, I hope youre kidding or being sarcastic…would you have said that if we didn’t win it last year?

    It’s the Jeter Era anyway.

  318. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 27th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    randy hater:

    to paraphrase line from Groundhog Day:

    “let me guess, you’re a glass is half-empty type of guy”

  319. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes January 27th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    CountryClub,

    Exactly. No need to get caught up in the offensive side of this move at all.

    How many Yankee championship teams used a platoon in LF?

    This adds depth and defense. With a lineup that includes Jeter, Tex, ARod, Posada, Granderson, and Cano, that’s really all you need in the nine hole.

  320. steveoh January 27th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    # Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    “One of Joba/Hughes is going to be the 8th inning guy, and I (and probably the Yankees) think it’s going to be Joba. Ace will be the long man. So, when one of CC, AJ, Javy, Andy or Hughes can’t start, who do you go to? Joba and Ace will not be stretched out. They did need the depth of Gaudin and Mitre.”

    You really want to waste Joba or Hughes in the pen? That’s a supreme waste of talent.

    I would start the loser of the Joba/Hughes thing at AAA. Rotation problem solved.

    I wouldn’t want Hughes in the pen, but I now think Joba should pitch the 8th. I was one that argued that he should be given a chance as a starter, not kept in the bullpen last year. But after last year I think he is mentally and probably physically better suited to be a top reliever.

  321. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    I trust the Yankees evaluation system. If they think Randy Winn is a candidate for a bounce back season, then I trust them. They have made solid move after solid move and I’m not going to kill them for it. I’m going to think positive about Randy Winn and assume it will work out. Either way, I love how the Yankees handled Boras and Damon – it’s exactly what we praised the Sox for doing to all of their players. Damon didn’t want to come back badly enough; if he did, he would have told Boras to just get something done.

  322. rodg12 January 27th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    “We have the reported example by Sherman that Hal vetoed Cash’s trade for Cameron at last year’s deadline for salary reason.”

    You need to stop bringing this up. The Yankees won the freaking WS last year so they were very justified and correct in making this move (or in this case, NOT making this move).

  323. Andrew January 27th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    The “reported example” that Hal vetoed a trade for an outfielder that would have been gravy and not necessarily a huge upgrade/100% necessity on a team that was already in first place at the time of the trading deadline means that if a trade is out there this July 30, 2010 and LF has been a black hole, there is no trade happening?! Come on now, the situation you are referring to has no bearing on what might come up this July if the outfield is a serious concern.

    Are you writing all these posts from out on a ledge on your now-soon-to-be-obsolete iPhone? Give it a rest, you are making a whole lot of something out of nothing.

  324. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes January 27th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    mick,

    its a figure of speech dude.

    Would “this officially marks the end of Damon’s time in NY” be more acceptable to you?

  325. Erin January 27th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    vinny-b (NJ and Granderson – thank you Cashman!)
    January 27th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
    randy hater:

    to paraphrase line from Groundhog Day:

    “let me guess, you’re a glass is half-empty type of guy”

    ***********************
    LOL Love it! :)

  326. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Gaudin > Clippard
    Gaudin > DeSalvo
    Gaudin > Chase Wright

    m

    That’s a very, very low bar.

  327. mick January 27th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Winn isn’t going to be any kind of major cog in a winning team.
    —————————————————–
    Shortsightedness again.

  328. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    3 players, 2 of which are years (at best) from making the majors, does not deplete the farm system.

    Montero, Romine, Bleich, Nova, McAllister, Nunez, Vasquez, Heathscott, Ramirez, DeLeon, Gary Sanchez, Murphy, Banuelos, all very solid prospects, still in the system.

    I’m not even counting guys like David Phelps, Adam Warren and DeAngelo Mack, who could be fast movers thru the system if their skills can translate to
    full season ball.

    The farm system isn’t anywhere close to being depleted.

  329. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Bronx Jeers
    January 27th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
    Setting:

    Early tomorrow morning. Somewhere in the 5 Towns area. Erica has just finished her 5th Johnny Walker Black straight up. Despondently, she writes out a 25$ check to Nick in SF. It’s the end of an era.

    ********************

    To make it even worse….

    I would love to creep out of here a little earlier tonight and pick up take out on the way home and have a full blown sulk on the couch. BUT- tonight of all nights the managing partner is having a meeting from 6-7:30 so I get to hang around for face time. ARGH!

  330. G. Love January 27th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    I don’t think anyone has to be worried about the Yankee fanbase throwing Damon under the bus on his way out.

    He will always get a loud cheer in the Stadium. He was a good Yankee and helped bring in a championship and that will never be forgotten by majority.

    And to whoever said, don’t worry there will be more moves I disagree.

    They are at budget. This is the team.

  331. mick January 27th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    The Mad Prince in Pinstripes

    chill out Dude.

  332. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    Sweet Jesus. You know that you’ve slipped beyond credibility when you start quoting Jo-El Sherman to back your arguements.

  333. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes January 27th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    steveoh,

    Ya…the whole Joba bullpen/starter debate will probably come to a conclusion towards teh middle of the upcoming season. I’d like to think that the Yankee brass will give this guy the first half of 2010 to prove himself as a starter.

    If he doesn’t show some progress, the time has arrived for them to groom him as Mo’s successor or ship him somewhere else and give Hughes the same opportunity to prove himself in the fifth rotation spot.

  334. DaSaint007 January 27th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Reed Johnson is a good choice – when he doesn’t have back issues. We know about back issues, don’t we Yankee fans? They can sap the strength out of anyone, including Donnie Baseball.

    No, I think Cashman & Co know what they’re doing. Winn is healthy. As healthy as you need a veteran 4th OF to be anyway.

    Step away from the ledge people.

  335. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Aba, Damon passed on the Yankees more than the Yankees passed on him.

  336. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    “The “reported example” that Hal vetoed a trade for an outfielder that would have been gravy and not necessarily a huge upgrade/100% necessity on a team that was already in first place at the time of the trading deadline means that if a trade is out there this July 30, 2010 and LF has been a black hole, there is no trade happening?! Come on now, the situation you are referring to has no bearing on what might come up this July if the outfield is a serious concern.”

    That’s hardly the point. The issue is declining an addition to the payroll, which you seem to think is automatic.

    “Are you writing all these posts from out on a ledge on your now-soon-to-be-obsolete iPhone? Give it a rest, you are making a whole lot of something out of nothing.”

    No, it’s a one story house.

    I guess when you can’t rebut an argument you try to censor the person making it.

  337. crawdaddy January 27th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    For the Yankees sake, I hope Winn bounces back and/or Gardner becomes a consistent ML hitter in 2010, otherwise, Cashman might have to revisit his LF situation again in June/July.

    For the record, I hate this signing. I guess the Yankees weren’t fooling about the 2M left on the budget. We’ll see what happens come April 1st.

  338. Rick January 27th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    The naysayers are out in force. Randy Winn is not a marquee name, just a decent steady player that’s never embarrased himself or a team. Not a clubhouse distraction. Has familiarity of the AL. Outfield now has better flexability.
    Cashman got jerked around long enough by Boras with his gibberish of “surprise” teams wanting the services of Damon and finally saw through it.
    Best of luck Johnny and by the way, change your agent representation.

    http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb....._id=133160

  339. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    “The farm system isn’t anywhere close to being depleted.”

    Keith Law ranks them at 25.

  340. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes January 27th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    mick, take that advice and cool off big guy. no need to get your panties in a bunch.

  341. Pat M. January 27th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Rich in NJ….I share your frustration, but Randy is the best sale item in the for sale bin…..I think the true evaluation of this decision will take place next winter….But I can see Randy being the starting leftfielder come April…..I do hope that Robinson Cano has his breakout season and fills the 5 hole…..

  342. S.o.S. January 27th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    please everyone stop with the lame puns. Thanks.

    =======

    Winn is the deadline for puns?

  343. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Pat M

    I hear ya.

  344. mick January 27th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    The Mad Prince in Pinstripes
    ———————————
    Don’t hurt yourself.

  345. Jerkface January 27th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Keith Law ranks them at 25.

    His cited examples were terrible. Saying that only Montero and Sanchez were worth anything. Dismissing all our low minor depth while praising the red sox for their low minor depth.

  346. G. Love January 27th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Keith Law is a moron with an agenda. He’s a Yankee hater who wants to attempt to devalue Yankee prospects with bad buzz to thwart the Yankees in trade dealings.

    He’s the opposite of what Gammons is to Red Sox prospects who he over inflates in the hopes of helping Theo get more for less come trade time.

  347. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes January 27th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    For all of you lobbying for Reed Johnson instead of Randy Winn, do you really think there is that great of a difference?!

    Betsy,

    You’re exactly right. The Yankees gave Damon plenty of opportunities, he and his agent squandered them, and now everyone gets to move on and stop worrying about it.

    I’m a big Damon fan but I love how the Yankees brass are drawing a line in the sand. He’s 36 and while he may still be serviceable, he’s not a $13 million LF nor is he a $10 million LF. $7 million…maybe.

  348. m January 27th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Rich,

    I appreciate your humor, but the point is that in the past we’ve had to turn to those guys. And guys like Ponson (twice!).

    If the Yankees really wanted Damon to be their LF in 2010, it would’ve gotten done. But I think they saw enough of that, and chose to go in a different direction. Bottom line, Damon’s time had come to an end. Don’t know when, why, or how but something happened. Arrogance from Damon’s camp (wife included!) or the signing of Nick Johnson. But there came a point when Cash decided not only to pass on Damon, but to humiliate him through the media. You could say it’s an ego trip by Cashman, but I don’t think this non-move kills the Yankees.

  349. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes January 27th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    mick,

    incoherence.

  350. Nick in SF January 27th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    I like Randy Winn.

    He was classy as an SF Giant and he’ll be classy as a Yankee.

  351. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    The only thing that “concerns” me is that there seems to be a total inflexibility about the team. If things go wrong (poor performances, injuries), I’m not sure that Hal will be willing to patch the holes with anything other than really cheap fixes that probably won’t help anyway.

  352. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    As long as the center and left field combinations produce the same number of runs in 2010 as they did in 2009, there will be no issues. They’ll at least match it. The rotation is vastly improved as is the outfield defense. The bullpen, as is right now, may or may not be the equal of 2009. Losing bruney and Coke will hurt more than people think. Logan is not as good as Coke. Whether Melancon can be as good as Bruney remains to be seen.

  353. Philippe January 27th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    The Red Sox triumvirate are planning their next move over at Boston Dirts Dogs (http://www.bostondirtdogs.com/). Funny people, those dirt dogs in Boston.

  354. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    And most everybody else who ranks them has them between 12-15.

    Your point?

    Just because Keith Law ranks them 25 doesn’t make it gospel.

    In fact, given the other rankings, a stat person like yourself should recognize an outlier when you see one.

  355. Enough Pitching Changes January 27th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    you really cant complain…he only signed for 2 million for one year. I guess the right choice would have been reed johnson…The only person to blame about johnny damon is damon and boras..not cashman…damon priced himself off the team..he will be missed..but i will not miss watching him in leftfield..

  356. Drive 4- 5 January 27th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    Bring out the marshmellows. Brian Cashman just set fire to $2mil. S’mores anyone?

    Cashman did just prove that $2mil doesn’t buy much. If that was his intent, he suceeded.

    So I’m just wondering here… will the reduction in the team’s payroll be reflective in our season ticket invoices ? Somehow, I think not.

  357. number18 January 27th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    STUPID STUPID STUPIDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!

  358. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    Betsy,

    that’s not true.

    Moves like this allows for in-season flexibilty.

    If you have too many unmoveable parts, or too many big contracts, that’s when you become inflexible.

  359. rodg12 January 27th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    Law’s rankings were utter rubbish and caused me to lose a ton of respect for him and his analysis.

  360. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes January 27th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    Betsy, I definitely appreciate where you’re coming from, but as Hal showed us with Tex, they will open up their wallets if the move makes sense.

    Tex made sense because he figure to be a pillar of the Yankee offense for the next 5 or 6 years and is in his prime.

    Damon is over the hill. He’s still good, yes, but he is not a worthwhile, long term investment.

    In the case of LF, they are using stop gap solutions and providing depth.

    Who knows, maybe they have their eyes on someone in Free Agent market next offseason that plays LF.

    “Have faith in the Yankees, my son.” -Ernest Hemingway.

  361. Bronx Jeers January 27th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Erica,

    Just ell your boss there’s been “a sudden death in the family”

    It’s sort of true. :wink:

  362. S.o.S. January 27th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    For all that think Winn is a waste of money. Keep in mind that he agreed on selling hot dogs on off days and between innings. Also, he will relieve the bat boy after the 7th inning stretch, while being on call as a tarp boy on rain delays. Winn you look at the big picture, you will see its money earned.

  363. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Drive,

    one has nothing to do with the other.

    Tickets prices are a function of supply and demand and not payroll.

    In fact, the reductions they made on some tickets is larger than the payroll deduction on a % basis for 2010.

  364. jayhi January 27th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    At least he’s a proven major leaguer. That’s really more than we can say fro BG at this point in time.

  365. Decksmooth January 27th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Two things:
    1. Concerned about OF Offense – is anyone the least bit nervous that Swisher could hit .219 like he did in 2008? Granderson could struggle being his 1st year in the Bronx and last year his BA was lower than normal. What if Gardner doesn’t progress? I’d guess we can hope for .270 and 10 HRs, but I think that’s pretty optimistic. Here’s some more IF’s: If Jorge and Jeter show their age, if Cano has another 2008 year, if ARod’s hip get’s tweaked again, if Nick Johnson continues to be made of glass…

    2. What are the chances that Tampa Bay trades Crawford in spring training? Could he be putting all of his eggs in this basket? Who would he have trade to get Crawford? Romaine and Joba?

  366. G. Love January 27th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Drive,

    I agree with you completely. If the Yankees are going to start being this budget conscious like they are trying to prove, I hope we see the savings reflected at the stadium.

    I just hope we’re not entering a phase where it’s Cashman trying to prove he can do smart things on the cheap so he stops getting knocked for spending money.

    I believe when he took over the reins by himself he was on a mission to prove he could do it cheaper and smarter and it blew up in his face in 2008.

    2009 doesn’t happen without spending a boat load of money.

  367. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes January 27th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    GB7,

    Good post. The offense will produce and we’ll get what we need out of the platoon in LF.

    Bring on 2010.

    Nick in SF,

    I agree…Winn is a class act, goes about his business, and works hard. He’s no All Star but he doesn’t have to be.

  368. Carl January 27th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Granderson is hitting today with K-Long. Great news.

  369. Drive 4- 5 January 27th, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    GB7,

    Youre right about the bullpen. The Yanks took a gamble trading a good arm like Bruney. The Yanks will be compelled to keep Hoffman on the roster, further weakening their bench. But the Yanks do have options out there with all the good arms they have. But that is one thin outfield they are playing.

  370. Pat M. January 27th, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    Well after the Series, we were led to believe that either Matsui or Damon was coming back…I rather have Mats back, but now both are gone……Granderson is going to be outstanding, however I still have reservations about Johnson as opposed to Matsui….I’m still inclined to the belief that Granderson will be hitting behind Derek….

  371. Ninja Burglar January 27th, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    2008 happened so that 2009 could happen.

  372. george January 27th, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    “So we already have people calling for Cashman to be fired & predicting a Winn DFA’ing. ”

    Winn will have a brilliant Yankee career along the lines of Todd Zeile and Tony Womack.

    if Vasquez and Gardner and Winn and Nick Johnson turn out to be as non-productive as i fear they will, i’d have to consider firing Cash. Because he took a great team, made it worse, and lost Vizcaino in the process. I hope he’s right and I’m wrong, but i hate all the moves other than the Granderson trade

  373. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    SJ, you think that’s what Hal is thinking? That makes sense to me and he’s a very smart guy; although I said it, I really do not believe that Hal would just sit by and let his team spiral downward when this guy has Steinbrenner genes.

    By the way Rich, my point about Winn wanting to sign here was that I viewed it as a good thing. You always want players who are eager to play for you. Does it trump performance? No, but it’s still nice to hear that he wanted to wear the pinstripes. I hope he does well.

  374. Yankee Trader January 27th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    “As long as the center and left field combinations produce the same number of runs in 2010 as they did in 2009, there will be no issues. They’ll at least match it. The rotation is vastly improved as is the outfield defense. The bullpen, as is right now, may or may not be the equal of 2009. Losing bruney and Coke will hurt more than people think. Logan is not as good as Coke. Whether Melancon can be as good as Bruney remains to be seen.”
    —————————————————-
    GB7-
    Have some of those same concerns. If there’s still a million left in the budget, and if Kiko Calero would accept it, he would be a good addition as a proven reliable relief pitcher.
    ———————————————-
    Erica-
    On a positive note, when Damon signs with the Rays tomorrow or Friday, you’ll get to see him when they come to Yankee Stadium.
    Hmm, I guess that doesn’t help???

  375. whatever January 27th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    RAYS ARE AFTER DAMON, FIRE CASHMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  376. CB January 27th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    Once the yankees decided that Damon wasn’t a viable option and Nady came off the board it really didn’t matter too much who they brought in.

    Randy Winn vs. Reed Johnson isn’t a major distinction.

    One can argue that the money going to gaudin, etc. is suboptimal use of resources but all of that really depends on the notion that Damon would have signed for one year say 5-6M with the yanks.

    It’s unclear if he would have. It seems that he wasn’t particularly willing to do so. As such it’s difficult to say the money allocated to Gaudin, Winn, etc. should have been instead allocated to Damon.

  377. rodg12 January 27th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    The point all of you complaining about the Yankees now operating on more of a budget are missing is the impending Labor negotiations. Who knows what’s going to come from those? A cap of some sort? A stiffer luxury tax penalty? The Yankees are doing the smart thing curtailing their spending both from an appearances sake heading into those negotiations as well as from bit of a risk prevention.

  378. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    I wanted to wait a little bit before commenting. Let people get the initial angst out of the way.

    A few things:

    1. By signing Winn the Yankees still have payroll flexibility to make in season moves. Remember last year the Yankees were only able to add Hinske if the Pirates picked up some of the money.

    2. I will not argue with anyone who says that Winn isn’t as good a player as Johnny Damon, but he’s good enough to handle batting 9th in the batting order.

    3. There are two ways to look at Winn’s stats from last year. It could be either a sign of age and we assume he’s fallen off a cliff or we can say it was a bad season. If we assume that it’s a bad season and leave room for him to rebound then he could be a very good signing.

    As I said earlier, it wouldn’t shock me if he ends up as the starting LF with Gardner on the bench.

  379. Drive 4- 5 January 27th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    SJ44
    January 27th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
    Drive,

    one has nothing to do with the other.

    Tickets prices are a function of supply and demand and not payroll.

    In fact, the reductions they made on some tickets is larger than the payroll deduction on a % basis for 2010.

    SJ44, I respectfully disagree. The Yankees embrarassed themselves by building the moat and overpricing the seats inside it.The fact that they have to do what they can to correct their mistake has nothing to do with the price of tickets for the average fan. Nothing at all.

  380. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    GLove,

    isn’t the point that you spend big money on the right players?

    They offered Johnny a 2 year deal for 14 million and he turned it down. Boras never moved off between 10 and 13 per year.

    Thankfully, Cash didn’t wait all winter to fill out the team.

    He got Vasquez, Granderson and Johnson.

    At some point, the budget going into the season dries up for every team.

    If they need to upgrade in-season, they will.

    Johnny should have taken the December offer.

  381. S.o.S. January 27th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    Fellas. Name me one team that we had to beat last year to win the championship that has improved this year?

    Angels? Lost their top pitcher and offense is much weaker.
    Twins? Will always be in our rear view mirror.
    Sox? Much weaker lineup without Bay. Ortiz has run out of shakes and brittle boy in right is done.
    Phils? Can Holliday pitch unhittable baseball in the post season like Lee did? Can anyone?

    The point is, i think we have at the very least gotten better in the rotation and equal but more athletic on offense.

  382. Azaz January 27th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    Ive never been so mad at hal steinbreinner that is all. when we dont win the ws this year….

  383. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    GLove, why put this on Cash? I know you’re not a natural fan of his, but I think it’s a disservice to think that he’s got less than the best interests of his team at heart. Hal is the owner, so it’s his budget, though I think they are both on the same page (which is wonderful – there is great stability in this organization now). I guess I’m not understanding why the Yankees need to have an enormous payroll to succeed. They HAD to spend the $$$ last year because the team was in bad shape; Cash doesn’t want to be in that position again. Last year was an outlier in terms of spending.

  384. steveoh January 27th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    So, who’s going to Winn the LF postion? ;)

    Seriously, Winn’s numbers vs lefties last year seem like an aberration. His career numbers vs lefties, and as recently as 2007 and 2008 are good. His numbers vs lefties were so aberrant that it makes you think he had some physical problem that hindered his swing from the right side.

    I think it’s 70/30 Winn/Gardner chance of being the LF starter.

  385. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    The Mad Prince in Pinstripes
    January 27th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
    Betsy, I definitely appreciate where you’re coming from, but as Hal showed us with Tex, they will open up their wallets if the move makes sense.

    Tex made sense because he figure to be a pillar of the Yankee offense for the next 5 or 6 years and is in his prime.

    Damon is over the hill. He’s still good, yes, but he is not a worthwhile, long term investment.

    In the case of LF, they are using stop gap solutions and providing depth.

    Who knows, maybe they have their eyes on someone in Free Agent market next offseason that plays LF.

    “Have faith in the Yankees, my son.” -Ernest Hemingway.

    ————————————————————

    And have faith in The great DiMaggio….errr…Winn.

  386. Azaz January 27th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Reminds me of the lakers swapping artest for ariza, hows that worked?

  387. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    Anybody who thinks Cashman is getting fired anytime soon is an absolute moron.

  388. Jason January 27th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    Big Thank you to Johnny Damon for his 4 years of Yankee Service.Sorry to see him go.As much as every body talks about the Jeter flip play,the Damon double steal may be the single most fascinating series changing play of the modern Yankee years.Thank you Johnny

  389. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes January 27th, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    GB7…good one :)

    RE: Damon, if he signs for a penny less than $7 million I will enjoy a soft chuckle.

  390. sar515 January 27th, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    Before you kill Cash…

    Didn’t Johnny Boras turn down 2yrs for $14 million???
    Now we asking why he wouldn’t offer $7million ….HE DID!!

    Remember Boras…”Don’t even talk to us if it’s less than $13 million per”!!!

  391. m January 27th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Azaz,

    As the resident Laker fan, it’s worked out fine. Best record in the league atm.

  392. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    GB-7

    Have some of those same concerns. If there’s still a million left in the budget, and if Kiko Calero would accept it, he would be a good addition as a proven reliable relief pitcher.

    ————————————————————

    I’d like them to shoot an offer to Calero, too. Unless you’re trying to get a closer like pitcher, Calero might be the best “bang for the buck” reliever out there when the FA market opened.

  393. Yankee Trader January 27th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    Johnny should have taken the 2 year 14 million offer. Think most would agree that he’d be more valuable to the team in the DH position hitting 2nd behind Jeter than Nick Johnson.
    That offer was as DH and part time LF’er.

  394. RayVT January 27th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Wow! A meltdown for the 40th spot on the 40 man roster. Personally, I believe this signing could perhaps still get Damon. LOL! W/o the Yankees in th emix, his salary plumetts. So maybe he says, $3M to Cash & asks for some incentives to come back. Win becomes the 4th OF & Gardy the PR or even trade bait.

    I still think the Yankees see something in Hoffman they really like, but who knows. At worst, Hoffman is probably Gardners equal. Better arm & defense but a bit slower. Also has a higher upside IMO. With all these speed guys being added it appears to me Gardner is on the way out.

  395. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Yankee Trader
    January 27th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    Erica-
    On a positive note, when Damon signs with the Rays tomorrow or Friday, you’ll get to see him when they come to Yankee Stadium.
    Hmm, I guess that doesn’t help???

    ***************

    No, not really. Its going to be like the old horribly conflicting days when he was with Boston and I used to have to remind myself to root against him

  396. Drive 4- 5 January 27th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    It’s easy to say that Damon should have taken the December offer. In hindsight, that’s obvious. But in December the market hadn’t really taken shape. Cashman had a price in mind that turned out to be pretty accurate.

    What I wonder is if they signed Nick Johnson before the outfield market really took shape. Should they have waited to sign Johnson? What was the the demand for the perenially injured Nick Johnson?

  397. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    If they don’t win the WS this this year, you are going to do what? Have a fit?

    Grow up.

  398. Pat M. January 27th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    SJ, I’m with you regarding the club’s new found flexability, many interchangable parts….What ever questions many have about how the leftfield situation came to this will be answered next offseason ( Crawford )….Actually I see Randy Winn bouncing back much like Swishwer did in 09……The outfield defense is much improved with Winn joining Granderson…..I just think many realize how good Curtis is going to be in Pinstripes…..

  399. S.o.S. January 27th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    mel,
    In spite of Artest. You know that Ariza gave the Lakers much more than Mr.Headcase. As the resident Spurs fan, im very happy they made that change.

  400. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Side note-

    If Damon signs with Tampa Bay what type of welcome to you expect him to get when he comes to the stadium?

  401. Azaz January 27th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    m January 27th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Azaz,

    As the resident Laker fan, it’s worked out fine. Best record in the league atm.
    —————————-
    no it hasnt 5-5 in the last 10 and cavs have the best record and o against the cavs all three commentators agreed ariza complemented them better

  402. Yankee Trader January 27th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Enough with the puns already!!!!!

    Message to Randy-”Winn one for the Gipper!”

  403. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    They wanted to have the DH spot locked up and not be held hostage by Boras.

    That turned out to be the proper strategy since Scott’s offer to the Yankees for Damon was still out of touch with reality.

  404. Noreaster January 27th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Erica, I would imagine Damon will get a standing ovation when he comes back to the stadium.

  405. Tripps78 January 27th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    No need to complain. I wanted Damon back but the Yankees are absolutely loaded even with Winn and Gardner platooning LF. I actually think Brett can outplay Winn. Instead of racking up 103 wins they will win 99 games without Damon. The Yankees are stacked from top to bottom and LF is now open for Carl Crawford in 2011. I’ve got no problem with Winn/Gardner this year because it is a short term solution that can be improved during the season with trades.

    Yankees have better starting pitching and are better defensively than the ’09 Yankees with the roster constituted as is.

  406. CB January 27th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    “Should they have waited to sign Johnson? What was the the demand for the perenially injured Nick Johnson?”

    Johnson had a two year deal on the table from the Giants. If the yankees wanted him they had to act at the time they did.

    Johnson had a better offer on the table from the Giants as it was.

  407. m January 27th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Who’s Kevin Goldstein? He’s got an insider article up on the espn baseball page. Says that nobody scouts, drafts, and develops players better than the Red Sox.

    Guess you can’t argue with that. Schilling, Clemens, Ortiz, Manny, Beckett, Lowell are all shining examples of that!

  408. Yankee Trader January 27th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Side note-

    If Damon signs with Tampa Bay what type of welcome to you expect him to get when he comes to the stadium?
    ———————————————-

    A very warm one, as long as he doesn’t hit a walk off homer into the first row of the right field bleachers!!!

  409. braeden January 27th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Next year hopefully Cashman won’t need to deal with Boras.
    All of baseball’s GM watched Cashman slay the dragon!! He’s not use to losing, so expect payback, like he did to the Angels, and sux.

  410. G. Love January 27th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    SJ,

    The point absolutely is to spend the money on the right players. There’s no doubt about that.

    But I still think that we’re a better team next season with Damon than we are with Winn. I think Nick Johnson was a completely risky signing that could blow up in Cashman’s face.

    Damon was good insurance at DH.

    If the Yankees balked at spending 7 million for one season after previously offering 14 for 2, it’s hard to take.

    I don’t think this sinks the team for next year. Not by a long shot. I just liked what Damon brought us and to get him on a year to year basis at this point was ideal. He was already humbled by the market, so he wasn’t getting 2 years from us.

    Betsy,

    As for Cashman, I liked his moves last year. From picking up Hairston, Hinske and Gaudin to the big moves he made in the off season.

    I still remember him in 2008 strutting around with Theo pretending they had it all figured out and they were going to throw young unproven starters into the rotation because they would do just as well as vets could.

    He was all about young and cheap that off season.

    When that didn’t work out, he GM’d the team beautifully by picking the right targets and using some good thought in putting the team together.

    Still, it crossed my mind that he’s looking to get props from his peers for finding diamonds in the rough over the obvious choices.

    As long as he’s not reverting to the GM he was in 2007/2008 I’m fine.

    The team has enough talent right now to survive some cheap gambles.

  411. Patrick January 27th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    First of all, there is no doubt that the Yankees system is worse right now than it was 3 months ago. The simple fact is, we lost Jackson, Dunn and Vizcaino. Two of our top 5 prospects are gone.

    I’m not saying the Yankee minor league system is bad, it’s not.

    I’d also like to say that, while I really like Keith Law (probably my favorite baseball writer), I think his ranking of the Yankee system is absurd. 25 is way too low even with the losses of Vizcaino and Jackson.

    And finally, Brett Gardner is better than Randy Winn and will probably start in CF with Granderson in LF. Randy Winn is purely a back-up at this point in his career.

  412. S.o.S. January 27th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Talk about what have you done for me lately. Fire Cashman? Did everyone forget we just got whats rightfully ours? Did we forget the 9 grueling years prior? Cashman has kept it business and nothing personal, which in turn has landed us #27. From letting Bernie go to Giambi to not pulling the trigger on Santana and instead going all in on C.C.. Now he needs to be fired for a #9 hitter move. I wonder what Sox fans think of there boy letting Bay walk for a old k king?

  413. Joel January 27th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    They get Winn but trade Melky, who is a lot younger and promising (not to mention cheaper). I don’t get this one bit.

  414. Patrick January 27th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Why is the word @ssessment blocked?

  415. Drive 4- 5 January 27th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    “Side note-

    If Damon signs with Tampa Bay what type of welcome to you expect him to get when he comes to the stadium?”

    A very warm welcome. I only hope I’m there. Actually I’ll be attending the Yanks first 3 games in the Trop in April. I’ll make sure he hears some kind words.

    Johnny Damon made a mistake listening to Scott Boras. That wont change the fact that he played hard every game he wore a Yankee uniform.He deserves applause.

  416. randy l. January 27th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    i’m fine with randy winn.
    he can play defense all three positions. he’s a switch hitter.
    he’s one year, and you know the yankees will be signing a free agent left fielder next year.
    he fits the criteria fine for one year.

    i think this move says a lot of what the yankees feel about gardner.
    winn will probably be the third outfielder and gardner the fourth.

    swisher had a bounce back year putting on the pinstripes.
    hopefully winn will too.

  417. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    Yankee Trader
    January 27th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
    Enough with the puns already!!!!!

    Message to Randy-”Winn one for the Gipper!”

    ————————————————————

    Randy was there when George Gipp said that, and took down every word.

  418. rover January 27th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    Still feels like a very inadequate bench. Maybe one of the worst I can remember.

  419. CB January 27th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    “Actually I see Randy Winn bouncing back much like Swishwer did in 09……”

    Some people are putting a bit too much emphasis on Winn’s dismal performance against LH pitchers last season.

    It was only 125 at bats. The two seasons before he was ok against LH pitchers. And those two seasons are a much larger sample.

    The scouting reports on Winn against LH pitchers is likely more helpful than this statistical performance against them in 125 at bats. The qualitative data is more useful than the quantitative data in this situation.

  420. whatever January 27th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    IF YOU WOULD HAVE TOLD ME IN OCTOBER THAT DAMON, MATSUI, BRUNEY, AND MELKY WOULD HAVE BEEN REPLACED BY WINN, JOHNSON, VAZQUEZ, AND GRANDERSON I WOULD HAVE LAUGHED AT YOU!

    what a terrible off-season by HAL STEINBRENNER.. worst owner in sports.

  421. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Patrick
    January 27th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
    Why is the word @ssessment blocked?

    ********************

    Cause you have an a-s :-)

  422. whatever January 27th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Damon is going to lead the Rays back to the AL East Championship if he signs there.. this is terrible news!! terrible.

  423. DaSaint007 January 27th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    I don’t know who is in that Yankee front office with Cashman, but if they have an Economist in there, he should be nominated for an award for again reading the market correctly regarding Damon. Last year it was Abreu and Pettitte.

    Good job Cash. Good read.

    GB – you hit it on the head. The bullpen is the question. If Melancon can live up to his talents, he’ll add to the bridge to Mo. But I still think that a better situational lefty than Logan is needed. As you know, I pined for Mike Gonzalez, but alas, it wasn’t to be. Frankly, I would have traded Marte (selling high) and substituted Gonzalez, and kept Coke. But that’s just me.

  424. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Drive 4- 5
    January 27th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
    “Side note-

    If Damon signs with Tampa Bay what type of welcome to you expect him to get when he comes to the stadium?”

    A very warm welcome. I only hope I’m there. Actually I’ll be attending the Yanks first 3 games in the Trop in April. I’ll make sure he hears some kind words.

    *******************

    Tell Johnny I love him!

  425. sar515 January 27th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    We love Damon and we’ll miss him…and now that he was with us for one WS championship, he will always been one of “ours”…

    But we are Yankee fans first…
    And if Winn is in pinstripes…I am going to be rooting for him every game.
    And, by the way…I think he’s going to fit in just fine.
    Let’s not bury him just yet.

  426. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Noreaster
    January 27th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
    Erica, I would imagine Damon will get a standing ovation when he comes back to the stadium.

    *************

    I really hope you folks are right

  427. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    GLove,

    I loved Damon on this team. I was really hoping they worked things out.

    They held out hope as long as they could.

    However, as late as Monday, Boras was still pushing for 10 million for 2010.

    At some point, you have to move on.

    I’m not a huge Randy Winn. But, I don’t think LF is make or break right now.

  428. Patrick January 27th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    Honestly I think this move says that the Yankees are willing to let Gardner be a full-time starter in the outfield.

    Winn is not as good as Gardner at this point, he’s purely a defensive replacement in my eyes.

    If they had gotten a player with stronger #’s against lefties I’d think the Yankees were planning on doing a strict platoon with Gardner.

    Now I’m thinking Gardner gets the job in CF, Granderson plays LF and Winn acts as a defensive replacement and occasional start against lefties.

  429. m January 27th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    So we’re analyzing the swap on a 10 game slump? Cavs are playing better right now, but that doesn’t mean that the swap was a huge mistake.

  430. S.o.S. January 27th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    Damons outfield days were practically over, from shaky pop flies to his well known gun for an arm. Losing a step or two. Finished the season batting .280. If it wasnt for the short right field porch would have 10-15 homers. The dh spot was filled after he rambled on about not insulting him.
    As CASHMAN $$$ would say. Its time to part ways.

  431. Bronx Jeers January 27th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Johnny should get a big round of applause.

    This is just business.

    And likewise Randy Winn should get his respect. He’s a Yankee now so he might as well be greeted with open arms.

  432. John Doe January 27th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Finally we can stop with the Damon talk! And thank you to Brian Cashman or whoever in Mgt is responsible for insisting this team continue to reduce it’s payroll, and make good baseball as well as good business decisions.

  433. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    GLove, I don’t think Cash knows how to strut, lol. I was fine with giving Phil a shot….Kennedy, less so. He’s the same GM he’s always been – he’s always been good, IMO. If I thought that Cash was looking for props instead of putting together the best team he could, then I would say he should be fired. I don’t think that at all – no GM is bigger than his team and I think Cash is way too good a guy for me to even consider that he might be thinking along those lines.

    Losing Dunn is not much of a blow at all; he’s just not that good

  434. Drive 4- 5 January 27th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Erica,

    I’ll tell Johnny you love him, but I only hope my wife understands LOL:)

  435. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Worst owner in sports?

    I see you are in full moron mode again today. What a shock.

  436. John Doe January 27th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    We’ll miss Damon, but we’ll forget all about him when it’s August. Sabathia will be sitting ‘em down as quick as they get up and this team will be storming through the schedule like a wildfire though california!

  437. whatever January 27th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    its pretty pathetic when the mets have a better outfield than we do

  438. Patrick January 27th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    SJ44 you are getting trolled really hard right now

  439. Patrick January 27th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    “its pretty pathetic when the mets have a better outfield than we do”

    srsly how did they end up with the great Jeff Francouer and we end up with crappy nick swisher? cash is a joke

  440. Pat M. January 27th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    CB,,,,Say What ??? Randy I ( The Original Tin Cup ), I recieved the ok to start swinging certain clubs…What was the name of the Watson book that went into swing / hand details ????

  441. G. Love January 27th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    SJ,

    If Boras and Damon were still holding firm at 10 million dollars, then they had to officially part ways.

    That just makes me question Damon’s passion for being a Yankee.

    He made a lot more money as a Yankee and signed to be a CF’er and was paid to be a CF and then couldn’t handle CF.

    That’s as much the front office’s fault as anyone’s, but he made a fortune here and could have come in at around 7 million for a year and saved face.

    If he takes 5 million from Tampa or Detroit, I can’t see how he’ll be okay with that.

  442. Joe C January 27th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    The guy I feel sorry for is Kevin Long. He has a lot of long nights ahead for him working with Granderson against lefties and working to get anything out of Randy Winn’s bat. Yankees better pray Swisher does not have an off year.

  443. YankeeRay January 27th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    G. Love
    January 27th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
    SJ,

    The point absolutely is to spend the money on the right players. There’s no doubt about that.

    But I still think that we’re a better team next season with Damon than we are with Winn. I think Nick Johnson was a completely risky signing that could blow up in Cashman’s face.
    ——-
    All of the moves would have been risky. Had Damon accepted the 7mm offer then what would we have left to spend on a part time DH/OF?
    Both of our signings are for 1 year and if we don’t win then we will make changes again next year which we will do even if we do win.
    Next year NJ is gone so Montero can DH along with Posada. Next year Winn is gone so we can sign Crawford or Werth. Next year Vasquez is gone so we can sign Lee or Webb. If Gardner does good then maybe Swisher is gone next year to save more money. All part of the master plan.

  444. hideki balboni January 27th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    “Bad piece of agent work by Boras.”

    Not so fast. Boras had a bigger client (Holiday) and Boras’s actions served Holiday’s interests. Boras put Damon out of reach by making unreasonable demands until Holiday got his deal. Now that Holiday got his deal, Boras is making Damon available at a reasonable price. Boras doesn’t care about Damon. He cares about Holiday. And he made sure Holiday got the best deal possible. Damon is an idiot for sticking with an agent who had such an egregious conflict of interest.

  445. Drive 4- 5 January 27th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    As bad as Winn is, I still like him starting in front of Gardner. Brett lost the starting spot to Melky because Melky proved he was better. Nothing against Melky, he did a fine job last year, but there are a lot of Melky’s out there.It’s not like Brett lost the job to Tori Hunter.He lost it to somewhat of an average player.

    All I know is these are the troops we’re going to war with and I wish them all good health and success.

  446. Nick in SF January 27th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    I can pretty much guarantee that Johnny Damon won’t be hitting a walk-off homer at the stadium in 2010.

    Or even a limp-off.

  447. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    DaSaint007
    January 27th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
    I don’t know who is in that Yankee front office with Cashman, but if they have an Economist in there, he should be nominated for an award for again reading the market correctly regarding Damon. Last year it was Abreu and Pettitte.

    Good job Cash. Good read.

    GB – you hit it on the head. The bullpen is the question. If Melancon can live up to his talents, he’ll add to the bridge to Mo. But I still think that a better situational lefty than Logan is needed. As you know, I pined for Mike Gonzalez, but alas, it wasn’t to be. Frankly, I would have traded Marte (selling high) and substituted Gonzalez, and kept Coke. But that’s just me.

    ————————————————————

    Gonzalez would have been a nice have, but $20 mil for two left handed set-up men for two years would be a pretty steep price to pay.

  448. S.o.S. January 27th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    That just makes me question Damon’s passion for being a Yankee.

    =========

    Just as much passion as he did being a Sox. Its SHOW ME THE MONEY and followed by the teams baseball cap. Not the other way around.

  449. 407 feet right of center January 27th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    budget may reflect drop off in season tix sales. jan 10 came and went with lots of invoices outstanding

  450. BBB January 27th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Cashman’s lucky Kei Igawa exists, otherwise this would singlehandedly be the dumbest thing he has EVER done.

    Brett Gardner >>>>>> Randy Winn

    This is so dumb it hurts my cranium and my femur at the same time. And I don’t even know what a femur is!

    %%&$%&%^&^W# banging head against keyboard…DUMB DUMB DUMB.

    I defy anyone to explain to me why on this godforsaken planet Cash would go with washed up Randy Winn (who was never all that great in the first place) over Reed Johnson WHO CAN ACTUALLY HIT LEFTIES. And I don’t want to hear anything about his defense. Gardner plays defense too and so does Hoffman, no? And Hoffman hits lhp!

    Randy Winn? Seriously? I’m just floored. Cashman’s arrogance now with this bounceback season garbage is absolutely overwhelming. He thinks just because it worked out with Swisher it’s gonna work out with every washed up bum he signs? EL OH ELS.

    Outperformed by Gardner and DFA’d by May. You heard it here first folks.

  451. crawdaddy January 27th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    As much as I hate the Winn signing, it’s a small move that if need be, can be rectified in June/July. Let’s see how the 2010 season unfolds before we burn Cashman in effigy.

  452. RayVT January 27th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    G. Love January 27th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
    SJ,

    The point absolutely is to spend the money on the right players. There’s no doubt about that.

    But I still think that we’re a better team next season with Damon than we are with Winn. I think Nick Johnson was a completely risky signing that could blow up in Cashman’s face.

    Damon was good insurance at DH.

    As much as I wanted Damon back your analysis is a bit skewed.

    Damon is replaced by Granderson.
    Melky is replaced by Winn/Hoffman/Gardner/etc
    Matsui is replaced by Johnson w/ Miranda & Montero as backups.
    Then the Yanks added Vasquez!

    IMO the Yankees of 2010 will be better than 2009. And the lineup at the start of the season will be different come Aug 31st. Its a process.

  453. Joeshi! January 27th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    “whatever
    January 27th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
    IF YOU WOULD HAVE TOLD ME IN OCTOBER THAT DAMON, MATSUI, BRUNEY, AND MELKY WOULD HAVE BEEN REPLACED BY WINN, JOHNSON, VAZQUEZ, AND GRANDERSON I WOULD HAVE LAUGHED AT YOU!
    what a terrible off-season by HAL STEINBRENNER.. worst owner in sports.”

    ————-

    hahahaha you’re funny

  454. S.o.S. January 27th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    We won the W.S. last year with Alex missing a month and a half and Tex/Wang strugling to start off the season. This team is IMO in a much better position today then they were last year at this time.

    Melky netted us the best pitching acquisitions aside from the Holliday deal. Gardner wouldnt have been enough.

  455. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    Pat M.
    January 27th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
    CB,,,,Say What ??? Randy I ( The Original Tin Cup ), I recieved the ok to start swinging certain clubs…What was the name of the Watson book that went into swing / hand details ????

    ————————————————————

    WoW!!!! Pat M, you’ve really hit the skids when you start asking Randy for tips and information on golf. You’d have been better off asking me, and I was so bad that the miltary sent me out of the country to save innocent lives.

  456. John Doe January 27th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Whatever, they have a better outfield, we have THE best infield in baseball by FAR, we have an all-star at every position, a combined 391 runs scored (remember A-rod missed 30+ games), 721 hits, 135 2B’s, 112 HR’s, 373 RBI’s, 51 SB’s all with the best offensive player of the four missing about a quarter of the season. Who cares what our outfield looks like as long as they catch the ball and are decent offensively? They had a collective .386 OBP and that’s including Cano who simply does not walk. They are a collective .308 hitter with Arod hitting approx 30 points below normal because his spring training was during the season. Not to mention all are either good defenders or excellent defenders. Those numbers should improve next year which is the most balanced and impressive infield in all of baseball of which only Philly can compare, and take into consideration, you think the Yankees get helped by their short porch in right? That’s the way the Philly stadium is designed all around.

  457. austinmac January 27th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    I’m sorry to see Damon go. He attiude and bat will be missed.

    I think we should now look at Winn. He doesn’t look like, to say the least, a platoon guy with Gardner. He does provide depth at all three positions that was sorely missing.

    To those that value defense, this seems a good move.

    To those of us who fondly recall the days of Mantle and Maris and love offense, I sure hope 2009 isn’t a view of things to come.

  458. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Drive 4- 5
    January 27th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
    Erica,

    I’ll tell Johnny you love him, but I only hope my wife understands LOL:)

    **************

    Thank you. If she has any questions just tell her all about me.

    Okay, on second thought. If she has any questions, just tell her she looks pretty and change the subject :-)

  459. CB January 27th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    Pat M.,

    I was agreeing with your point and just echoing my own thoughts on that subject.

    You were making the point that you could see Winn having a bounce back season.

    I probably wasn’t clear enough but I was agreeing with that sentiment.

    One of the most common criticisms I’ve seen of the Winn signing is that he was horrendous against LH pitching last season and as such he makes a bad complement to Gardner. Also, people have cited his performance against LH pitchers as evidence of that Winn is declining as a player.

    My point was that it’s really very hard to come to those negative conclusions based on only the 125 at bats Winn had against LH pitching last year. The prior two years (and for most of his career…) Winn has been pretty good against LH pitching.

    At this point in time I’d probably put more stock in his combined 2007 and 2008 performance against LH pitchers (and overall…) than solely on his 2009 performance.

    As such, I agree with your evaluation that Winn very well could have a bounce back season. He’s not going to be great but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him revert to his 2008 form while playing good defense.

    In 2007 Winn had a .798 OPS over 653 PA’s. In 2008 Winn put up a .790 OPS over 667 PA’s.

    I don’t think there’s enough statistical evidence to conclude that Winn has necessarily “fallen off a cliff.” I’d value the scouting reports on him in 2009 more than I would his numbers, especially against LH pitching.

    If he puts up a .780 – .790 OPS for the yanks with good defense he’d be a nice piece to the team.

    So I agree with your sentiments.

  460. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Yankees sign Randy Winn
    ABC cancels Ugly Betty!!!

    This day is just a misery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  461. G. Love January 27th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    RayVT,

    I saw Damon as a hybrid LF/DH candidate for the team if he resigned. I actually thought he gave us flexibility lineup wise if he came back.

    If Johnson got injured, you put Damon into that role. I thought he would make the OF/DH positions fluid and protected.

    Right now, if Johnson goes down, our DH is probably either Jorge or Swisher which means Cervelli and Gardner get starting spots.

    Hopefully, Nick stays healthy this year and it’s moot.

    I wanted Damon for a year. I like him on this team better than Winn at this moment.

    I’m sure I’ll feel differently once the season starts.

  462. m January 27th, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    Why wouldn’t we want a repeat of 2009?!

  463. BBB (GO GO GADGET GARDNER) January 27th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Chad, I IMPLORE YOU to ask Cashman what stopped him from signing Reed Johnson. I love Damon and always wanted him back but had long since accepted that it wasn’t gonna happen… but Winn over Johnson AND Nady AND Gomes? All of whom destroy lefties? In favor of YET ANOTHER guy who doesn’t hit lhp AT ALL WHATSOEVER????

    I absolutely beseech any of you logical rational LHYB regulars (and even though I haven’t been on here since before we won the WS, I know who you are, I think) to explain to me why this move makes sense on any level. Because from where I sit, it’s full on insanity.

  464. Sharkdaddy January 27th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Damon got greedy. He could have stayed at the top of a very strong Yankee lineup in a stadium suited for his swing for an additional 2 yrs. & $14million.

    I guess he couldn’t feed his kids on a measly $14 mil.

    At 36 Damon will start to break down alot more now & his defensive skills & very weak arm are not going to get any better.

    I bet he doesn’t hit more than 12 HR’s next season, if that.

  465. RS January 27th, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    “The guy I feel sorry for is Kevin Long. He has a lot of long nights ahead for him working with Granderson against lefties and working to get anything out of Randy Winn’s bat.”

    Please…29 hitting coaches would LOVE to have Kevin Long’s job. Imagine how the Royals or Padres’ hitting coach feels.

  466. Jay January 27th, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    This is a great day for the Yankees. No more Damon talk. No more defensive liabilities left on the roster… Cashman has purged the roster of all liabilities now… no girls throwing from the outfield. Cashman has made all the right moves this off season… kudos to him for sticking to his guns… outstanding….

  467. randy l. January 27th, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    pat m-

    http://www.amazon.com/Tom-Wats.....038;sr=1-1

  468. Pat M. January 27th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    CB…Thanks, for a moment there I thought I was back at Manhattan College stuck in a Trig Class……GB, I live on the other side of the country, and I still don’t feel safe if you had a golf club in your mitts….

  469. bru January 27th, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    absolute terrible signing

  470. Marc January 27th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    Why make a move just to make a move? Does anyone think we are a better team with Winn?

  471. RayVT January 27th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    G. Love
    January 27th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    I agree, in that I wanted Damon too. But a side-by-side comparison of the players gained and lost the Yankees are better. I personally don’t believe Gardner will start. I believe either Winn or Hoffman will or someone coming later. I also think Baldeli will be signed for insurance. I saw Miranda hitting bullets in ST BP last year and I believe he is more than capable as a DH. Montero is as well, right now IMO. He is a beast. I also like Nick Johnson, but not as a #2 hitter. (BTW, Hoffman is the Yankees very best defensive OF right now.) I think the 2010 Yankees have a lot of upside. Plus it is still early.

  472. CB January 27th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    “If Boras and Damon were still holding firm at 10 million dollars, then they had to officially part ways.”

    That’s the unknown. It seems like Damon/ Boras contract demands all off season have been completely out of whack.

    So it’s very difficult to know if Damon would even have come back for one year 7M.

    Based on the Nady deal Boras seems to be charging some kind of premium for his guys to go to the yankees. Maybe Nady signed with the cubs to put up numbers in a very small park and play in a very small outfield. But the difference between Boras’s asking price to the yanks and to the cubs for Nady was very significant.

    And based on Cashman’s comments on these issues he seems pretty ticked off about what Boras has been doing. That quote Chad had from Cash was pretty startling:

    “How long it’s taking certain people to wake up and smell the coffee, that’s what surprises me,” Cashman said. “When you get on the phone with agents, they tell you one thing, and certain agents can’t honestly believe what they’re trying to convey. Do they think I’m stupid?”

    This seems pretty much telegraphed to Boras. Cashman rarely gets emotional in public comments.

    Something “broke” in Damon’s negotiations. This wasn’t a situation where two sides were rationally evaluting the market.

    And I don’t think the yankees took kindly to being charged some kind of over the market premium for talent.

  473. RS January 27th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    BTW, how do we know that the Yankees “budget” only exists so that next offseason they can splurge again and go after Lee and Crawford?

    It’s important to remember that we don’t have much dead weight coming off the books next year. Rivera, Jeter, Pettitte, and Vazquez are our only prominent FA’s and if we assume that at the very least, Rivera and Jeter resign and the two pitchers walk, the Yankees will still have to raise payroll to bring in suitable replacements. All the more reason to cut back a bit this year.

  474. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Pat M.
    January 27th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
    CB…Thanks, for a moment there I thought I was back at Manhattan College stuck in a Trig Class……GB, I live on the other side of the country, and I still don’t feel safe if you had a golf club in your mitts….

    ————————————————————

    a wise decision, Pat. Just a suggestion. I may take up golf again this year. If you’re on the East Coast wear a motorcycle helmet on the golf course. I may be hitting somewhere on the same course.

  475. cameron January 27th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Please Tampa offer him league minimum, and settle on 750k.

  476. mick January 27th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    If any of you think you know more about whats best for the Yankees than Cashman then get a clue. We are getting younger and there are many seasons ahead of us. As someone said, 2008 made 2009. So 2010 will make 2011 and on and on…

  477. Pat M. January 27th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    If re-upping with Damon would have cost them Curtis Granderson then this was a no brainer in regards to Damon….Was there really any attempt by the Yankees to sign Damon after they acquired Curtis ????

  478. tex's friend January 27th, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    im sick of hearing people say, why didnt the yankees open their wallets, like the dont spend. also, they offered damon 2 years and 14 million bucks. he didnt want it. so boo hoo for johnny. but everyone who says, they should have just paid him 5-6 mil, why would you think that when he turned down, not only 7 million annual, but a second year guaranteed?

    johnny screwed johnny. good luck in oakland and the supersize ballpark where he will hit 5 homeruns.

  479. Glenner January 27th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Hoffman is WAY better than many here believe. Many of us are in for a pleasant surprise.

  480. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    Yep, the Yankees had to move on; Boras and Damon were still holding out for $10 million? Dreamers……. Did Boras ever really negotiate with the Yankees? It seems to me that all he did was issue ultimatums or stonewall the Yankees.

  481. Erin January 27th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Is done with Brian Cashman!
    January 27th, 2010 at 5:55 pm
    Yankees sign Randy Winn
    ABC cancels Ugly Betty!!!

    This day is just a misery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    *************************
    I’m sorry :(

    Maybe this will make your day just a bit better (I did promise Ernie and Bert if the worst happened):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUusX1Js6R0

  482. mick January 27th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Does anybody not believe Borat was asking 10m for 2010? If so, was Cash wrong in saying No?

    He probably had a 2nd year in there too. When Damon signs for less it will become clearer.

    Cashman would not be held up by Borat. Well done. We will get by, Damon wasn’t the key to our success, another Boston screw-up shows his true colors.

  483. akamgkrebs January 27th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    This is a great day for the Yankees. No more Damon talk. No more defensive liabilities left on the roster… Cashman has purged the roster of all liabilities now… no girls throwing from the outfield. Cashman has made all the right moves this off season… kudos to him for sticking to his guns… outstanding….
    ————————————————–
    I appreciate the sentiment, but “no more defensive liabilities”? Sorry, but at the minimum, Swisher is a defensive liability.

  484. randy l. January 27th, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    pat m

    the left hand move in watson’s book is so simple even gb7 could do it.

  485. Pat M. January 27th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Randy I, Thank you, I’m hoping to be hitting the range by late February……Right now I’m hitting whiffle balls with my wedge…..I’m aiming for a 18 handicapp this season, as it’s been a long layoff..I used to play to a 12, but that was several surgeries ago…..Stay away from GB, he’s talking golf again…..If SJ is in Florida, he’s in harms way

  486. tex's friend January 27th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    cashman likes versitility that winn offers, i agree. but he also values on base percentage, which Winn does not bring. we’ll see what happens, but we still have the best team, with winn or without.

  487. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Erin
    January 27th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    I’m sorry

    Maybe this will make your day just a bit better (I did promise Ernie and Bert if the worst happened):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUusX1Js6R0

    ***********
    I have to look at it when I get home. Youtube is blocked :-(

  488. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    for the last few years, fans, media a message boards have complained about the Yankees spending money. Now they’re all complaining about them NOT spending money.

  489. RayVT January 27th, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    Glenner
    January 27th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
    Hoffman is WAY better than many here believe. Many of us are in for a pleasant surprise.

    i hope you are right. I like what I’ve read about him. I’m anxious to see him play. Maybe I’ll get to see him in ST this year.

  490. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    randy l.
    January 27th, 2010 at 6:17 pm
    pat m

    the left hand move in watson’s book is so simple even gb7 could do it.

    Pat M.
    January 27th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
    Randy I, Thank you, I’m hoping to be hitting the range by late February……Right now I’m hitting whiffle balls with my wedge…..I’m aiming for a 18 handicapp this season, as it’s been a long layoff..I used to play to a 12, but that was several surgeries ago…..Stay away from GB, he’s talking golf again…..If SJ is in Florida, he’s in harms way

    ————————————————————

    Just what was missing from this board. Two more smart azses.

  491. mick January 27th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Matsui had sense and jumped ship at maximum value. Damon tried to hold us up for ransom. After all, he let Borat do his talking.

    They both had a great world series,although Matsui’s was better, Johnny had the nice double-steal, still a bit overrated, Matsui didn’t try to hold us up, which shows his class.

  492. stuckey January 27th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    “I absolutely beseech any of you logical rational LHYB regulars (and even though I haven’t been on here since before we won the WS, I know who you are, I think) to explain to me why this move makes sense on any level. Because from where I sit, it’s full on insanity.”

    I’ll give it a shot. The money left in Cashman’s budget doesn’t get you a starting LF. It gets you a 4th or 4th outfielder, that despite your disappointment, the Yankees do need.

    Gardner is now and has been since Johnson signed the starting LF. Winn is a veteran presence to provide depth and solid defense.

    Yankees weren’t apparently looking for a lefty masher.

    What should be noted (if it hasn’t already) is that this move does not preclude the Yankees from possibly upgrading the 4th or 5th outfielder mid-season.. heck, perhaps even the starting LF position.

    Who knows, maybe when whatever team Damon signs for falls out of the race in July, he could be back by August 1st, ready for a playoff run?

  493. gfd January 27th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Yankees add defense in the OF, and you think someone died.Curtis and Gardner should be happy to have the help.
    Damon is crazy for not side stepping Boras when the negotiations were going south. How do you walk away from 7M at this point in your career?

  494. Wait till we do it all over Again January 27th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    Swisher is an average defender, not a liability.

  495. mick January 27th, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    How do you walk away from 7M at this point in your career?
    ———————————–
    And 2 years!!!! I can’t believe they even offered that deal with their eyes on 2011.

  496. austinmac January 27th, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    In looking at Winn’s statistics and ratings, he looks to be a very good defensive corner outfielder and a lesser center fielder. The Yankees have that covered with Granderson and Gardner if needed.

    I don’t claim to be a statistical expert, but Winn’s last season had his highest line drive % of any year. Can we optimistically say he hit in hard luck and we can hope of 2007 or 2008?

  497. stuckey January 27th, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    I’d like to say I hope some around here take this as a learning experience.

    Not everything Cashman says actually means the literal opposite.

    Not every comment is a strategy.

    Sometimes when people speak, they just mean what they say.

  498. Chad Jennings January 27th, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    It’s been three hours since the news broke. Let’s bring it over to a new post, shall we?

  499. Drive 4- 5 January 27th, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    austinmac,

    The problem is, the new Yankee Stadium isn’t conducive to line drive hitters. It strongly favor batters that hit the ball in the air.

    Last week Keith Law did an ESPN Insider piece on the new Yankee Stadium. It’s not the hitter’s paradise as some claim. I was surprised to learn that fewer doubles and triples were hit in Yankee Stadium than any other American League ballpark. Conversely, it obviously yielded the most home runs.

    The ballpark that saw the most runs scored? That would be Fenway, the same park that yielded by far the most doubles. Camden Yard was a very distant second for doubles. Fenway is far more conducive to a line drive hitter than Yankee Stadium is. There is no big outfield gap in Yankee Stadium and 330 foot line drives are outs instead of doubles off the wall.

  500. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    I see the same people that live and die with statistical analysis are only taking a small sample of last year to determine that Winn can’t hit left handed pitchers. His career says that he hits them as well as he hits right handers. I find it some what that analysis starts with the same four letters as the description of these people.

  501. ANSKY January 27th, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    One year for Winn? Take a shot, see what happens. If Gardner steps up and does better than last year, there’s no guarantees for Winn to play full time, right? Can he be traded mid-season or demoted if its not a good move after all?

  502. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 27th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    I believe the Yankees offer of 2 years for $14 million to Damon was a very good offer. I think he was foolish to pass on it; I thought the deal the Abreu signed with the Angels would have clued Johnny in. Sadly, no. I wish Johnny well, and I will miss having him on the team.

    austinmac -

    We posted a bit before about having to have all-stars (or not) at every position. Now, let’s talk “gradations” of all-star, with all-star simply meaning whatever the fan base thinks is the best available (or possibly available in the case of trade). I don’t know Randy Winn. Never heard of him before. I wonder how many hear have actually heard of him? And how many have seen him play more than a game here or there? And yet, the general feeling I’m getting here is that he’s not good enough. I find it slightly amusing. :)

    Anyway, it looks like he could be a decent player for the Yankees. And sometimes decent is good enough.

    Cashman was actually pretty straightforward this off-season, wasn’t he? He said they were not impressed with the free agent market this year, that it was a “thin” market. That next year’s is much better. Well, it is quite apparent that they are putting aside for next season. So, they keep the budget down this season in order to make a splurge next season. This is smart. You don’t settle and you don’t get involved in megacontracts with not-quite-elite players (Holliday) so that you can go out next season and get what you really want. And Winn has a one-year deal. You can get through a one-year deal. No huge commitment there.

    The season has to play out, but the most significant thing that Cashman did was to bolster the rotation with Vazquez. Four top starters, and possibly 5. A better defense. Overall, younger. And defintely more roster flexibility, with the sights set ahead.

    Every team has to hope that they stay healthy and every team has to hope that most of the breaks fall their way. But the Yankees are starting from a good place.

    Now, I can’t wait for spring training to begin.

    And let’s see where Damon ends up and for how much.

    If Boras was still asking for $10 million from the Yankees, then, I don’t see what else could have transpired here.

  503. Rick January 27th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    If the ultra low budget Rays are willing to shell out $7M for Damon and also keep Pat Burrell and his $7M, it’s very un-Rays like to have that kind of money on the books and still think of signing Crawford long term.
    Damon lives close (Orlando) but wouldn’t see such sparse crowds since his days of playing in Oakland.
    Nope, the Rays are just another one of those so-called surprise teams that Boras keeps blabbering about.

  504. MattNC January 27th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    Both FanGraphs and Sean Smith’s Baseball Projection have Winn as a 3-WAR per year player over the last 3 years. That’s worth a lot more than $2 million if he can maintain that.

    Yes, Winn’s horrendous OPS of .384 vs. lefties last year is startling, especially as his career value is .758.

    Winn is a switch hitter who is a very good base runner (56 SB, 7 CS over last 3 years) and a very good fielder. If he can rebound against lefties in 2010, he could be a big contributor.

  505. ---.---.--- January 27th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Erica
    You are whiny fool Damon is gone and deal with it.

  506. MTU January 27th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Erica-

    Sorry about JD. (: Time for a new PBF after appropriate mourning, of course.

    For all of you who think Winn is just a stopgap to CC next
    year. I have one question.

    What if the Rays re-sign him ? Isn’t that a possibility ?

    Damon spelled backwards is Nomad. JD is a mercenary. Plain and simple. He was great while he was here. Equal pay for equal work, and now that he has moved on- No harm no foul.
    Best of luck.

    Cash had to work with the budget Hal gave him.

    He gave Boras/JD every chance to soften their position.

    Best of Luck to the competitors in the battle for LF.

    May the best player(s) win (no pun intended).

  507. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Wow, go the mall and see what happens! 500 is far too many posts to wade through. My guess is there are some saying this stinks and some saying it’s fine – and some in the middle.

    For those of you who think Randy Winn is a bum and this is a lousy signing – well then you can see what the Yankees thought of Johnny Damon and the need to keep him on the team.

    Me, I’m happy as a clam because I seriously didn’t believe the Yankees needed Damon back and I wanted him far away from the Bronx,

  508. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    From my perspective – YOU ROCK YANKEES!!!

    Now somebody else can deal with the noodle arm, the slowed-down steps in the outfield, and the player who needs to be rested in order to be played. That would be Johnny Damon.

    Yeah, Boras did him in. But he didn’t necessarily fight it, so it seems. Good bye and good luck Johnny. Take your mercenary grittiness somewhere else. After all, I’m sure that Boras has you convinced that at least ten other teams are salivating to get your broken down 37 year old body.

    The Yankees won in this lottery. You had the chance to be back with the best team in baseball and to prove your worth if it is still there – despite the fact that you had to be sat during the season in order to keep what is left of your legs fresh.

    Too bad you have to leave a bad taste in the mouths of at least some of the fans. I guess you’re a good teammate when you’re getting your way.

  509. scooter10 January 28th, 2010 at 12:04 am

    Winn had 8 consecutive years of 149+ games, 30+ doubles and 10+ steals. I seem to recall our starting LF’s in the 90′s. Gerald Willams, Tim Raines, Ricky Ledee, Chad Curtis, Shane Spencer. How did we ever win?

    I think there are overreactions from some of my fellow posters on this. You don’t need an All-Star at every position to win. We’ve created some good depth for the OF. I think between Gardner, Winn and Hoffman, we’ll get production through competition.

  510. pistol pete January 28th, 2010 at 12:08 am

    This signing is absurd, Winn is finished, had a horrible yr last yr and his right handed stats mlb says were the worst in 54 yrs. I’m dumbfounded. How does this solve Cashmans righty requirement, now we have 2 automatic outs vs leftys with Winn and Granderson, oh yea I forgot we’ve still got Gardner, I’ll bet he puts up bats like Johnny Damon late in games vs leftys. This signing is absurd, we’ll be looking for help in May.

  511. AL Duque January 28th, 2010 at 12:49 am

    isn´t that crazy????

    I read that Winn is comeing and my first thought is …

    What is Erica thinking???

  512. love alex better deffensive short stop than jeter January 28th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    who here agrees with me that arod is the best player all time

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