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Pinch hitting: Frankie Piliere

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 27, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Next up in the Pinch Hitters series is one of our most unexpected guests, Frankie Piliere, who volunteered a scouting report on switch-pitcher Pat Venditte.

When Sam and I asked for pinch hitters, we didn’t expect an offer from Piliere, a former professional scout and current writer for AOL Fanhouse. I’ve linked to Frankie in the past, but certainly had no plan of asking him to write a post. The week after we asked for pinch hitters, though, Frankie emailed to say he’d seen Venditte, had plenty of notes on him and would like to write a guest post on the young Yankees pitcher.

We certainly weren’t going to turn that down.

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There is not a more interesting prospect in baseball than Pat Venditte. Hundreds are better, but none are as fascinating. We know the story by now. He’s the guy who can pitch both right-handed and left-handed.

How do you even scout a player like this? That was my first thought when I went over the Charleston RiverDogs’ roster before I began my coverage. For one, a pitcher that throws both ways doesn’t fit very neatly into a scouting report sheet. It’s the equivalent of scouting two pitchers at once. He really is two completely different pitchers, with a different arsenal, different delivery, and a different approach from each side.

My expectations were low. I didn’t expect much more than a side show or a gimmick. While he’s hardly a top prospect, Pat Venditte is more than just a gimmick.

Right-Handed

It’s from this side that the stuff is a little closer to the norm you see at the Major League level from Venditte. The stuff is fringy but close to big league average. His fastball sits at 88-91 mph, and he has plus command of this pitch. He produces a little arm-side run down the zone, and can pick at corners with big league maturity. This type of command will need to be there, however, because he’s just not overpowering enough.

His breaking ball from this side will need to improve. It’s fringy at best right now, grading out as a 4 on the 2-8 scale. It flashes average, and the consistency and sharpness will need to make progress if he’s going to pitch from this side at the big league level. The curveball comes in consistently at 72-74 mph, reaching 75 at times with 11-5 action. His command is good enough to keep hitters off balance, but he’s not going to produce swings and misses at the next level. Everything will hinge on his command.

He has limited deception from the right side, as opposed to his delivery from the left side, which we’ll look at in a moment. Venditte is polished, but it’s going to be a struggle to get by with his current right-handed stuff.

Left-Handed

If he’s going to make it as a big leaguer, he’s going to need to be Mike Myers, or someone of that nature. It’s from this side that Venditte is a bit more interesting, but only interesting to the point of possibly being a left-handed specialist.

His fastball from this side is only around 81-85 mph from a funky, side arm type delivery. He’s very tough to pick up and has the appearance that he’s throwing from behind lefty hitters. Few pitchers make lefties look as bad and absolutely lost as Venditte can. It’s his breaking ball from this side that gives them fits. The big, sweeping breaking ball comes in at 68-71 mph with huge lateral action and a nice tilt. And, this is where he makes his living. He has learned to spot a pitch with an exceptionally large break on the outside part of the plate. The pitch and his command of it both grade out as plus.

If he can locate against big league hitters the way he’s done at the minor league level, he has an opportunity to succeed. His upside is very limited, and he is going to be what he already is right now.

In other words, Venditte is more than a side show, and does have enough going for him to be considered a potential big leaguer. But, his margin for error is very small.

 
 

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167 Responses to “Pinch hitting: Frankie Piliere”

  1. Bret the Hitman January 27th, 2010 at 9:40 am

    Joe Girardi is a smart manager. I think he’d know when to insert Hoffman for defense, Gardner for speed and someone like Dye for power. Whatever the situation calls for, Girardi will find the matchups that work best.

  2. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    Interesting story, thanks for writing it.

    I saw him pitch last summer and I didn’t see much in terms of a future prospect.

    However, you are correct, if he is going to make it, its got to come from the left side. He may be deceptive enough to keep hitters guessing from that side.

    My question is this…Should he just concentrate on being a lefty specialist and scrap pitching right handed?

    I don’t think his stuff from the right side can get him to the big leagues. He may be able to get there from the left side.

    I’d be interested in Frankie’s beliefs on this subject.

    Thanks again for pinch hitting. Well done piece.

  3. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    They aren’t talking to Jermaine Dye. There has been no interest from the Yankees on Dye all off-season so far.

  4. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    Thanks, Frankie.

    Mo should teach Venditte the cutter.

    From the last thread. If they aren’t signing Damon in order to preserve payroll flexibility, fine, but then burn $2m on Reed Johnson or Baldelli, and as I said, Gaudin and Mitre are a waste of money.

    I don’t think they are in on Dye, nor should they be.

  5. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    Edit: Don’t burn $2m on..

  6. m January 27th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    Wow, we got some big time players with Frank & Mike. ;)

    I am not much of a scouting report person. I really don’t have much need for them. But this is one of the best writeups I’ve read. Is this the standard? It’s very clear and well-written.

    As for Mr. Venditte himself, it’s fascinating. It’s a shame, really, that he wasn’t stronger from one side or the other. That way the weaker side could serve to make the stronger side even better. Sort of like switch-hitting. Tough when you’re not particularly good from either side.

    But, from all accounts Venditte’s a good person. And he’s definitely stayed out of his share of bar fights. He just might make it. Let’s just hope, that with the Yankees luck, that Pat Venditte isn’t the first person in baseball history to have TJ on both arms.

    As for being a freak show, I don’t think so. He just happens to be the only current switch pitcher. Good luck to Venditte. Who knows, he may replace Gaudin as the last man out of the bullpen. :P

  7. Tom in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Nice work Frankie, thanks.

  8. Erin January 27th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    Very nice job, Frankie :)

  9. John Doe January 27th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    Anyone notice how Cashman phrased his response?
    “Damon’s abilities exceed the money I have”. Any chance that’s a carefully worded statement? Sounds like Cashman is trying to give Damon a message. Damon, we love you, we think you’re a very good player and want you playing left fieldfor us in 2010. Problem is, as hard as it may be to believe, I simply don’t have the money after last off-season. I hope you’ll come back and understand that my low offer is not meant as a disrespect to your talent, but is merely all I can afford to offer.

  10. m January 27th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    Okay, let’s pretend there was no budget. How much do you guys think the Yankees would spend on Damon? Given his age, defense, durability, and present market?

    I don’t think it’s a lot. Certainly less than the last supposed offer.

    I honestly feel that they’re trying to get Damon at the price they want. They have leverage (“budget”, other guys they could turn to, non-existent market for Damon), why not use it?

    Because, as Rich in NJ, has pointed out often. They could always move players like mitre & gaudin if they wanted Damon AND wanted to stay under budget. Yet they haven’t.

  11. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 9:57 am

    Good scouting reports are like gold. Most good scouts know how to write them in a clear, concise manner because GM’s don’t want to read platitudes. They want to know about the player.

  12. Frank January 27th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    Interesting stuff, Frankie. Venditte has enjoyed enormous success at the lower levels so far, though it appears he was quite likely old for the leagues he was pitching in. I guess AA might be where the rubber hits the road and we learn whether there any real chance of him making it.

    Yankees think have to think a little something of Venditte, as they’ve actually drafted him twice.

  13. m January 27th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    Frank,

    Once as a lefty and once as a righty? :P

  14. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    I think Sherman’s proposed $6m would be an absolute ceiling.

  15. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    They were willing to spend 14 million over 2 years in December. That was their offer to him.

    Since then, they have used the money to acquire other players and that offer is no longer available.

    Also, nobody else has stepped and that also affects any other offer you make to him.

    Johnny is this year’s Bobby Abreu. Unfortunately for him.

  16. m January 27th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Rich,

    I saw (somewhere?) a figure of $4M. If they’re truly treating this like a Pettitte situation, then maybe they go with an incentive-laden contract.

    Cashman runs the risk of losing Damon to another team if he lowballs him too much. But it’s a risk he’s willing to take.

    Side-note: are the Sox they only team to used injury/missed time escape clauses for the team?

  17. Tom in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    Detroit had one with Magglio Ordonez, m.

  18. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Abreu signed for $5m. Is one more million really dispostive to the Yankees’ decision making process given their revenues?

    Again: $2m available + $2.9m (Gaudin) + .85m (Mitre) = about what you need to sign Damon, or at least an offer that if it is turned down, you can say you went the extra mile to improve your team.

  19. blake January 27th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    SJ,

    Do you think Cashman offered the 2/14 as a “throw me a bone offer” that he knew Damon wouldn’t accept so that they could come back later and say look we offered you this and you didn’t take it, or do you think he was really trying to sign him for that number?

  20. m January 27th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Thanks, Tom.

    Perhaps, the better question is, “Are the Yankees the only team that don’t use them?” :P

  21. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    So far, as best as I’ve seen, no team has offered Damon much more than half of what NYYs offered Damon for one year (in their first offer).

  22. raymagnetic January 27th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    “Do you think Cashman offered the 2/14 as a “throw me a bone offer” that he knew Damon wouldn’t accept so that they could come back later and say look we offered you this and you didn’t take it, or do you think he was really trying to sign him for that number?”

    I doubt Cashman would have made that offer if they weren’t interesting in signing him. The Yankees don’t make offers to players they don’t want.

  23. 86w183 January 27th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Gaudin is not going to be easy to move unless he convinces people in spring training that he can improve their starting rotation. He’s there as rather expensive Hughes/Joba insurance at this point.

    Damon at $ 5 Million makes sense to me, but all indications are the Yanks aren’t going that high now.

    Think he’d like a mulligan on that two-year $ 14 Mill offer?

  24. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    They don’t make “throw me a bone” offers.

    They wanted him back and made a legit offer they felt was fitting for his abilities and their budget at the present time.

    He turned it down. They came back with a 2/20 offer that they haven’t moved off of in a month.

    At some point, they either have to move off that offer (for somebody) or Johnny stays home this summer.

    Nobody is paying Johnny 2/20 or even 1/10.

    At some point, one would think the Boras/Damon side would understand this by now.

  25. Bronx Jeers January 27th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    Venditte’s a natural righty no? Odd that he is more effective from the left side. I guess it just serves as another proof that pitching is not all about power.

    Funny but sometimes I think Johnny Damon is a natural righty that just somehow got crossed up as a child. Doesn’t it look like he’s throwing with the wrong arm?

    Here’s a photo of Venditte’s custom glove.

    http://blog.syracuse.com/news/2008/06/glove.JPG

  26. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 27th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    “Abreu signed for $5m. Is one more million really dispostive to the Yankees’ decision making process given their revenues?
    Again: $2m available + $2.9m (Gaudin) + .85m (Mitre) = about what you need to sign Damon, or at least an offer that if it is turned down, you can say you went the extra mile to improve your team”
    ——————————————————

    the Yankees don’t need Damon. Why is this fact diffiuclt to comprehend?

    as for Gaudin/Mitre. I would rather retain this pitching depth. And thankfully, Cashman would also

  27. Carl January 27th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Hopefully he will get a shot at AA soon

  28. RPimpsner January 27th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Baseball Digest released its Top 50 New York Yankees prospects.

    http://www.baseballdigest.com/.....4&t=5

  29. SteveB January 27th, 2010 at 10:30 am

    That’s a big time posting from a big time author! Thank you Frankie Piliere, and to you Chad for including him. I am hoping that the Yankees move Venditte up to Trenton in 2010 so I can see him for myself. I’ve heard about that lefty curveball from other sources and I’m just dying to see this kid. It’s funny, I was looking at a 2008 YouTube video of Venditte just a couple of weeks ago, the at-bat that led to the new rule. My perception of Venditte just from that video is that he is very serious about his game. Here is the link to it for the readers– http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2oD8KzxS14

    The Yankees have some unique decisions to make about him. All he’s done is get hitters out everywhere he’s been. Do the Yankees make him concentrate on throwing only one sided? If not, think of the never-before possibilities– if a speedster is on first base, Venditte could stick to being left handed. What happens if he pulls his muscle in one arm? For that matter, does pitching from both sides reduce the possibility of injury to either arm? Does he need to work twice as hard to keep in ‘pitching shape’? I’d love to see him go all the way through the system, but it seems he needs a better ‘out’ pitch against better hitters. That said, if he gets one either righty or lefty, will that mean the end to the other side? This is a very unique situation, and I’m rooting for Venditte to keep up the good work. Can’t you smell a movie deal in the works? “The Switch-Pitcher” And why not? Disney made a nice movie on Jim Morris, right?

    SteveB
    POTY

  30. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Venditte is a true rarity. He writes with both hands and punted footballs with both feet.

  31. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 27th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    “At some point, one would think the Boras/Damon side would understand this by now”
    ————————————————

    cue Cashman’s “Do GM’s think i’m stupid” quote. :)

    I love Cashmoney

  32. Crawdaddy January 27th, 2010 at 10:34 am

    “the Yankees don’t need Damon. Why is this fact diffiuclt to comprehend?

    as for Gaudin/Mitre. I would rather retain this pitching depth. And thankfully, Cashman would also”

    Rich doesn’t think much of those two pitchers and neither do I, but I agree with you about the pitching depth especially during spring training.

  33. CountryClub January 27th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    Frankie,

    Great write up. I’ve been looking for a detailed report on Venditte for a while. Much appreciated.

    Chad mentioned that you were pretty high on Bleich. Can you leave a comment with a few sentences on what you’ve seen from him?

  34. Patrick January 27th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    Scouting report on Disco Hayes next pls :)

  35. m January 27th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    I also put very little credence in theories like this, “maybe other teams didn’t bother taking a serious look at Damon because they figured he was going back to the Yankees anyway. These front offices leave no stone unturned.

    As for Bay, I also find it difficult to believe Jason Bay when he says they didn’t bother with the Yankees because they assumed Damon was going back. Like he wouldn’t run over Damon if the Yankees were interested in Bay?

  36. Wave Your Hat January 27th, 2010 at 10:38 am

    Gaudin and Mitre are very expensive given their likely roles on the Yanks. Barring injury, what exactly will they do? Long men/spot starters on a team that won’t need its fifth starter till almost May, on a team with 4 starters who don’t look likely to miss much time.

    So they are expensive insurance. That’s nice, but personally I think that $4MM would be better spent on Damon. Where the Yanks really need insurance is in the OF.

  37. CountryClub January 27th, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Eiland improved Gaudin last yr. I’m looking forward to seeing him pitch this yr after a full spring training to continue to incorporate the tweaks.

    Sometimes, improving one pitch makes all the difference in the world. The improvement in one pitch makes the whole arsenal better.

    Time will tell. For less than 3 mil, it’s worth the risk.

  38. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    There may be news coming from the Yankees shortly.

    This morning on XM’s baseball show the hosts interviewed Aaron Boone. They asked Boone flat out if he was done playing or not, Boone’s response was cryptic so take it for what you will: “Well I’m in New York right now and one way or another I’ll either be fielding phone calls or sending out a text about my future pretty soon.”

    Given that the Yankees are looking for a right handed bat for their bench, are familiar with Boone and think he can play a few different spots on the field, it seems to me that there could be a fit there. Could he have been in New York for something else entirely? Sure, but that’s the fun part of his cryptic response.

    As for Mitre/Gaudin – if the season comes down to either one of them then a lot has gone wrong. That being said, they also make it possible for the Yankees to move Aceves in the right deal (for a left fielder mabye)

  39. CD January 27th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Here’s a question:

    Are the 2010 Yankees better than the 2009 Yankees?

    Additions) Granderson/Johnson/Vazquez/Logan

    Subtractions: Zilla/Damon/coke/Melky

  40. Bronx Born January 27th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Good Morning GB

  41. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    C.C., Bleich is an Andy Pettitte type pitcher. Must be something in that Loosiana water.

  42. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    You always keep pitching depth because you never know what happens, especially in the spring and early part of the season when the weather is so bad in the northeast.

    OF’s are a dime a dozen and the Yankees don’t NEED Johnny Damon at this time.

    Would they like to sign him? Sure they would.

    But, at their terms and right now, they aren’t even in the same ballpark on terms.

    I wouldn’t trade any pitcher going into the spring to make room for Damon.

  43. RichardC January 27th, 2010 at 10:44 am

    It is a very healthy thing to be able to throw with both arms, to be able to switch hit. It balances the inner energy and affects greatly how it moves in the body. Alot of the players injuries and problems are because they throw a million(s) times a year on just one side. All these pitchers should should learn to throw with their other arm. I practice yoga at what might be considered advanced levels. I have an ablity to feel energy in other people. I have felt it many times in these players. I have felt the imbalance they have that comes from throwing all the time on one side.I have taught myself to throw with my weak arm.I know how that feels. It is the imbalance of energy that causes injury and issues with control and command.
    Rememder Chuck Knoblauch? He was literally “screwed up” energetically. I totally felt it.I was screaming at the TV. “Throw with your other arm”. Not in the game, of course. It would have fixed him easily. I know this.

  44. Wave Your Hat January 27th, 2010 at 10:44 am

    $3MM is a lot to spend on a pitcher who doesn’t have a role.

  45. m January 27th, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Gaudin’s better than mitre. And I’m sure the Yankees would have no problem turning to Gaudin in the event that Joba nor Hughes were able to fill that #5 slot.

    You can never have too much pitching. There’s no one that’s experienced enough (except Aceves, but looks like he’s in the pen) in AAA that would be able to step into the role should something go horribly wrong in the rotation.

    Other teams might have a need to round out their rotation, too, so Gaudin is not an unattractive piece.

  46. Rick January 27th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    If it gets to it and depending on the progress of McAllister and Nova at AAA by mid season, the Yankees may see the need of dealing Gaudin or Mitre as part of a deal for a player to help go the rest of the way in the pennant push.

  47. upstate kate January 27th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Interesting article on Venditte. I know there is a rule about sticking to the same side for a particular batter, but can he change which side he pitches from for each batter he faces?

  48. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Morning, Bronx. Hope all is going well in the “Icebox”.

  49. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 27th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    “Gaudin and Mitre are very expensive given their likely roles on the Yanks. Barring injury, what exactly will they do? Long men/spot starters on a team that won’t need its fifth starter till almost May, on a team with 4 starters who don’t look likely to miss much time.
    So they are expensive insurance. That’s nice, but personally I think that $4MM would be better spent on Damon. Where the Yanks really need insurance is in the OF.”
    ————————————————-

    then who do you propose the Yankees compile/aquire, for their pitching depth?

    have to disagree on Damon being more important “insurance” over pitching depth. If the Yankees incur an injury, its easier to find a bat versus another pitcher.

  50. Betsy January 27th, 2010 at 10:46 am

    SJ, yesterday you implied criticism of a post where I wrote that Damon was about the $$$ because I think he’s headed to Oakland and you said that there was nothing wrong with that (which is true). Yet just this morning (and it’s not the first time) you are espousing the belief that he’d be better off sticking with the Yankees as far as his numbers go and implying that he’d be making a mistake by going for the most $$$. So what exactly was wrong with my post yesterday again?

  51. Bill January 27th, 2010 at 10:47 am

    I wonder what Boston will do to counter this, train an Octopus to pitch ?

  52. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 10:48 am

    Kate, here are the Venditte Rules:

    “The Professional Baseball Umpire Corporation (PBUC) released its official rules for dealing with ambidextrous pitchers. These guidelines were reached after PBUC staff consulted with a variety of sources, including the Major League Baseball Rules Committee.

    It reads:

    The pitcher must visually indicate to the umpire, batter and runner(s) which way he will begin pitching to the batter. Engaging the rubber with the glove on a particular hand is considered a definitive commitment to which arm he will throw with. The batter will then choose which side of the plate he will bat from.

    The pitcher must throw one pitch to the batter before any “switch” by either player is allowed.
    After one pitch is thrown, the pitcher and batter may each change positions one time per at-bat. For example, if the pitcher changes from right-handed to left-handed and the batter then changes batter’s boxes, each player must remain that way for the duration of that at-bat (unless the offensive team substitutes a pinch hitter, and then each player may again “switch” one time).

    Any switch (by either the pitcher or the batter) must be clearly indicated to the umpire. There will be no warm-up pitches during the change of arms.

    If an injury occurs the pitcher may change arms but not use that arm again during the remainder of the game.”

  53. SteveB January 27th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    Boone= Metsies, is my guess.

    Speaking of which, why wouldn’t Omar Minaya give Wang one of those Jon Leiber contracts? From my perspective Wang & the Mets would be perfect together.

    For you folks who can’t get off the Johnny Damon bandwagon– the Yankees are a better team right now than they were one year ago. I love Damon too (and Matsui even more!) but this season is going to be a lot of fun if the team stays mostly healthy. It’s time to put the past behind us. Granderson will be great in LF and Gardner will be all-around better than Melky was in CF, and the pitching staff is awesome. No crying for Damon, he’s earned $92 million over the past 10 seasons and he’ll end up somewhere soon. Just not in the Bronx. Good bye and good luck Johnny (and Hideki).

    SteveB

  54. Carl January 27th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    Bill January 27th, 2010 at 10:47 am

    I wonder what Boston will do to counter this, train an Octopus to pitch ?

    lol!

  55. CountryClub January 27th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    GB7,

    I’m interested in his velocity gain. Chad mentioned that Frankie seemed to confirm what Oppenheimer said earlier this winter about Bleich getting it up to 94 mph.

    If that’s true, and he can regain the control he used to have, he’s a very interesting prospect (that wouldnt be far from the majors).

  56. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 10:51 am

    So what exactly was wrong with my post yesterday again?

    Betsy – simply the fact that he didn’t write it.

    As I noted on an earlier thread, there’s a touch of hypocracy on this blog. When I suggest that the Yankees bring in players who were either non-tendered, designated for assignment or not sought after by many other teams I was told that I was “obsessed with mediocre players” and yet those same people went gaga for the Yankees bringing in a player yesterday in Golson who has accomplished far less than any player I’ve ever suggested.

  57. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 10:51 am

    Betsy,

    What I’m saying is, he has to balance it out now because the money isn’t there. At least the big money.

    Every player in baseball is “all about the money”. All of them. Its not a charity. Its their livelihood.

    At some point though, you have to make a decision as to where you are going to play (if at all) in 2010.

    For Johnny, making a million or two more in Oakland, and struggling there offensively, may not be the best way to go.

    If he stays with the Yankees, and puts up big numbers, he puts himself in line for a bigger payday in 2011.

    Perhaps he can’t afford to do that at this time.

    However, that would be the prudent thing to do if he wants to line up for a bigger payday in 2011.

    Unless of course Scott does indeed have a “mystery team” willing to meet his demands.

    Everybody thinks they have enough pitching in January. A few ST injuries and guys with “no role” in January have a role to start the season.

    The Yankees went through this a few years ago when the entire pitching staff got hurt in ST.

    I think you keep the pitching depth for as long as you can because pitching ultimately decides your fate.

    This team already has a ton of offense. Its not like their offense is going to fall apart in 2010.

  58. Wave Your Hat January 27th, 2010 at 10:52 am

    vinny-

    I think it is more likely that either Gardner doesn’t work out offensively or CG doesn’t hit lefties than that one of our top five pitchers misses significant time this season.

    Normally I would be more worried about starting pitching depth, and usually the adage that you can’t have too much pitching is true, but the Yanks have assembled an unusually good and durable pitching rotation. And don’t forget with both Hughes and Chamberlain the Yanks already have six starters.

    If Gaudin were $1MM, I’d feel differently. But at $3MM, that’s a lot of money to devote to the seventh starter. If the Yanks would pay Johnny $4MM. I think Gaudin’s $3MM would be better added to the amount the Yanks would pay Damon. And that goes for Mitre as well.

    If Johnny won’t take that kind of money and would rather go somewhere else, then that’s his choice.

  59. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 27th, 2010 at 10:52 am

    Chip:
    Fernando Tatis or DeJesus is probably more likely to be on the Yankees then Aaron Boone.

  60. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 10:53 am

    Chip,

    That’s not it and I explained my post of yesterday.

    Why don’t you give me your list of more non-players Cashman should sign.

    As far as Golston is concerned, I said yesterday he’s AAA filler, which he is, and no more.

    I don’t see any hypocrisy there.

  61. Jerkface January 27th, 2010 at 10:53 am

    I wonder what Boston will do to counter this, train an Octopus to pitch ?

    Then disparage the color of its ink when it signs with the mets

  62. Erin January 27th, 2010 at 10:55 am

    Bill
    January 27th, 2010 at 10:47 am
    I wonder what Boston will do to counter this, train an Octopus to pitch ?

    *******************
    LMAO

  63. m January 27th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    Chip,

    You’ve been unfairly treated. There have been others who thought outside of the box, but they were serial posters and very combative. And not treated as badly.

    At least you’re not obsessed with a certain free agent (j/k Erica!)

  64. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 27th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    as for the Mets, and missing out on Jon Garland.

    no worries. Omar’s next move will be resigning Carlos Delgado.

  65. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Wave,

    Curtis Granderson has hit lefties prior to last year.

    If he bats .250 against lefties, which he has shown he can do in the past, he’s fine.

    I don’t think he’s going to be as anemic against lefties as you think. You can’t let one bad year affect your thinking.

    Sometimes, guys struggle in a year.

    As far as Gardner, there is no question they will sign another OF to go with him to start the year.

    They can absorb a weak bat in that lineup.

    You can’t sacrifice pitching depth. At least not in the early going.

    Its just as likely Johnny could pull a calf muscle and be out as it is, Granderson or Gardner struggle.

    Sometimes, you just have to work within the parameters your boss lays out for you and hope for the best.

  66. RayVT January 27th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    ambidextrous pitchers

    That reminds me of a college basketball story several years ago who was a senior at NC State. The player normally LH, threw a desperation shot RH and it went in at the buzzer to win the game for NC State. After the game he was interviewed and asked why he made the shot RH when he was LH and his reply was he was amphibious. (Most NC State Alums still cringe over this! LOL!)

  67. blake January 27th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    SJ,

    I guess what I’m wondering is that if they liked Damon enough to seriously offer him 2/14 then why wouldn’t they be interested if they can get him for less than half that now. Even of they moved in and signed other players they still argueably need a LFer and the player they initially wanted is now cheaper than the price they were willing to pay before. This is why no matter what they say, I still think they are in on Damon

  68. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 10:58 am

    SJ -

    You’re well aware of the players I’ve advocated on behalf of:

    DeJesus, Church, Winn, Connor Jackson (when there was a chance of him being non-tendered), Tatis, etc…

    and you’re right – you’ve actually been fairly consistent so my barb at you was probably a little unfair and for that I apologize.

  69. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 10:58 am

    CountryClub
    January 27th, 2010 at 10:50 am
    GB7,

    I’m interested in his velocity gain. Chad mentioned that Frankie seemed to confirm what Oppenheimer said earlier this winter about Bleich getting it up to 94 mph.

    If that’s true, and he can regain the control he used to have, he’s a very interesting prospect (that wouldnt be far from the majors).

    ————————————————————

    Not sure what his speed is now, but, when I saw him early in the season, the boards were in the 91-92 MPH range, but, like I said, that was early. Hopefully, he’s getting some strength back in the elbow. He had some injury issues (much like Pettitte’s) in college, and some thought he’d by a TJ candidate by now. Pettitte was his idol and that’s who he’s modeled himself after in motion, style and his selection of pitches.

  70. Evan January 27th, 2010 at 10:58 am

    Just yesterday, Gammons was raving about Octopus’ control and he went on and on about the base running skills of their blue chip prospect, Centipede.

  71. LarryM., FL. January 27th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Frankie, I appreciated reading a professional scouting report.

    As far as Damon is concerned. The Yankees traded for Granderson and signed Nick Johnson. They broght back about 60 Hrs that may have been lost with Damon and Matsui. Two players with professional attitudes but unfortunately nearing the downside of their careers. I would move Granderson to LF and Gardner to CF. This improves the D better than last year. I believe Badelli is worth a shot as the the RH platoon for both LF/CF if necessary. I understand the illness factor but he’s learned much since the original RX. Badelli could be a HR if healthy.

  72. Bill January 27th, 2010 at 11:04 am

    Just yesterday, Gammons was raving about Octopus’ control and he went on and on about the base running skills of their blue chip prospect, Centipede.
    ____________________
    LOL ! Life is too short ya just gotta have a laugh every now and then

  73. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Vinny –

    As I said, his comments might mean nothing. He was being very cryptic and so his comments are open to a lot of different conclusions. One possible one is that he was in NY to talk to the Yankees about a deal (minor league or other) and to take a physical.

  74. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Blake,

    They may still want him but, they can’t get him at their price if Boras/Damon are still insisting on their price.

    That’s my point.

    If one side wants 10 million and the other side can only afford 4-5 (max), they can’t meet in the middle.

    That ship has sailed.

    By late January, just about every major league team are at or over their budgets. There just isn’t a lot of wiggle room.

    Certainly not enough, “let’s bail Scott Boras out because he misjudged the Damon Market” wiggle room.

    If Scott does have a “mystery team” ready to meet his price, I would suggest he get a deal done now because Johnny needs a job.

    All you have to do is look at the Nady negotations as a primer for what’s been going on.

    His “Yankee Premium” was 40% higher than the offer he took from the Cubs.

    If he has the same kind of premium on Damon to the Yankees, you can see why the Yankees are saying no.

  75. 86w183 January 27th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Gaudin is a VERY expensive seventh starter. He would be difficult to move unless he was really good in the spring and someone decided he would fit in their rotation. If they move him ideally he’d bring back a high ceiling corner OF prospect.

    I’m fine with the team as constituted, but would like the addition of a RH hitting 4th/5th OF. Johnson, Thames, Tatis are all legit possibilities in my mind. Dye is interesting and I doubt his last two months is a sign of permanent decline, but it could be.

  76. Crawdaddy January 27th, 2010 at 11:08 am

    “Gaudin is a VERY expensive seventh starter. He would be difficult to move unless he was really good in the spring and someone decided he would fit in their rotation. If they move him ideally he’d bring back a high ceiling corner OF prospect.”

    They can also cut him in late March for a prorated 30 or 45 day portion of his contract.

  77. Betsy January 27th, 2010 at 11:08 am

    SJ, I completely agree with you. I think Damon would be better off taking a Yankee offer and I think Boras’ games at this point are silly and serve no purpose. No one believes there is some “mystery team” out there. If he’s trying to bluff Cashman into making a bigger offer than he or Hal are inclined to, then it won’t work as Cash is no fool and the Yankees actually do have a budget this time. Boras has misread the market, but Damon has to take responsibility for his career. If he wants to be a Yankee so much, he’ll come back to Cashman with an offer that the Cash can actually take to Hal (and I don’t mean $10 million). Although his D has deteriorated a lot and he struggled the last month of the season, he fits like a glove with this team for another year at least (I would never give him 2). He pushes Gardner to the 4th OF spot where I think he belongs and the offense would be ridiculous. I’m not sure where he’d bat, though – I think NJ should stick in the 2nd spot. That said, the Yankees will be an excellent team with or without Damon; the only one he’s hurting now is himself. If he signs with a team for more $$, which is his right, I hope that he doesn’t regret it in the future.

  78. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Two pitchers get hurt in ST, not something that hasn’t happened in the past, and he is part of the rotation.

    Or, he can pitch well in the spring and they move him for an OF to a team that needs a starter due to injury or poor performance.

    Or, as Craw says, they can just cut him.

    Either way, I’d rather go into the spring with as much pitching depth as possible.

  79. SteveB January 27th, 2010 at 11:11 am

    LarryM., FL.
    January 27th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    I believe Badelli is worth a shot as the the RH platoon for both LF/CF if necessary. I understand the illness factor but he’s learned much since the original RX. Badelli could be a HR if healthy.

    —————————————-

    I also like Baldelli, always have. I agree with your last line completely.

  80. MTU January 27th, 2010 at 11:11 am

    Fan poll:

    Offensively speaking which do you project to be true ?

    A) Grandy + NJ > Damon + Matsui

    B) Grandy + NJ < Damon + Matsui

    C) Grandy + NJ = Damon + Matsui

  81. Wave Your Hat January 27th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    SJ44-

    Look I hope that CG hits lefties this year. But it’s more likely he won’t.

    Here’s CG’s OPS splits for his career and for each year since he became a regular in 2006 (as you seem to think it improtant, I will also include batting average):

    Career: OPS vs RHP: .894 BA vs RHP: .292
    OPS vs LHP: .614 BA vs LHP: .210

    2009: OPS vs RHP: .897 BA vs RHP: .275
    OPS vs LHP: .484 BA vs LHP: .183

    2008: OPS vs RHP: .900 BA vs RHP: .288
    OPS vs LHP: .739 BA vs LHP: .259

    2007: OPS vs RHP: 1.014 BA vs RHP: .337
    OPS vs LHP: .494 BA vs LHP: .160

    2006: OPS vs RHP: .805 BA vs RHP: .274
    OPS vs LHP: .671 BA vs LHP: .218

    So in his career, and in every year he has been a regular but 2008, Granderson has ranged from bad to awful against LHP. In one year, he made it all the way to marginally acceptable vs LHP. Your confidence in his abilities vs lefties is misplaced, IMO.

    So forgive me, I want another good OF. I’d trade Gaudin and his salary, if I had to, to make salary room to sign one.

  82. 86w183 January 27th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Betsy — in the unlikely event Damon returns he would definitely hit # 2.

    I would be really tempted against RHP to go Jeter, Damon, Granderson, Alex, Tex, Posada, Cano, Swich and NJ

    That’s just staggering

    Against LHP it’s Jeter, Damon, Texas, Alex, Jorge, Cano, NJ, Swish and Grandy

    Either way it’s scary good… but still seems unlikely

  83. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 27th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    “As I said, his comments might mean nothing. He was being very cryptic and so his comments are open to a lot of different conclusions. One possible one is that he was in NY to talk to the Yankees about a deal (minor league or other) and to take a physical”
    ————————————————–

    cool. Thank you for sharing the XM transcipt

  84. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 27th, 2010 at 11:16 am

    MTU:

    if this is based on 2010 production values from both players. Then the choice is easy:

    A) Granderson + NJ

  85. blake January 27th, 2010 at 11:17 am

    SJ,

    I also agree that Damon would be better off returning to a lineup where he has protection and the short porch in RF than going to Oakland or KC where he will hit .260 and be forgotten about.

    The longer he waits the less he’s going to get and at some point the door really will slam shut on a return to the Yankees.

  86. upstate kate January 27th, 2010 at 11:18 am

    Thanks for the rules GB

    Bill, Jerkface, Evan- love the octopus comments

    RayVT- that “amphibious” comment really made me laugh

    I wish Damon would sign somewhere and get it over with.

  87. 86w183 January 27th, 2010 at 11:18 am

    I agree with having as much pitching depth as possible, was just pointing out the cost of keeping Gaudin as a # 6 or # 7.

    Either he or Mitre could pitch himself into a valuable trade chip during spring training and that’s not bad either.

    Wave — As you point out, Granderson has four full time seasons and two were terrible, one mediocre and one quite solid against LHP. I expect guys at his age to improve, especially in this ballpark with this lineup. He is not a platoon player.

    That said, I agree with the need to add a RH hitting OF for roster balance and lineup flexibility. It’s more important for the 2010 team than finding a way to reach an accord with Johnny Damon.

  88. Betsy January 27th, 2010 at 11:20 am

    SJ, why do you think Nady charged the Yankees a premium? It’s unbelievable to me how the Sox get players to come to them for less (Scutaro the most recent example) yet even a player like Nady (who isn’t that good to begin with) takes less from another team (the Cubs, who aren’t nearly as good, obviously, as the Yankees) than he proposed to the Yankees. It’s frustrating.

  89. MTU January 27th, 2010 at 11:23 am

    Boras/Damon have fallen asleep at the controls of the plane.

    It is now in a death spiral.

    1 of 3 things left to do :

    1) pull the ripcord, open the parachute, and retire.

    2) Pull back hard on the stick and regain level flight before it’s too late – Take the Yankees current offer.

    3) Crash and burn after achieving terminal velocity.

    What’s it gonna be JD ?

    Does anyone but Erica/Nick really care anymore ?

  90. CountryClub January 27th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    The Yankees have a history of overpaying for players. So, free agents always ask for more from the Yankees because they know that if the team really wants them, they’ll meet the price.

    Cash has done a good job the past couple of years of stopping this process. It’ll take a couple more years before players and agents realize the old way of doing business with the yanks is dead.

  91. Frank January 27th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    “I don’t think he’s going to be as anemic against lefties as you think. You can’t let one bad year affect your thinking.”

    I hasn’t been one bad year against lefties with Granderson. It’s been a bad career. In four full seasons, he’s been OK against lefties in one of them, realy bad in another, and whatever is worse than really bad (abysmal, hopeless, putrid, Tony Pena Junior-esque, etc) in his other two.

  92. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Signing Tatis makes just about zero sense. He’s not a good outfielder. He might catch the balls hit right at him, but, he doesn’t have the ability to go after them. As far as hitting, the only time he hits much is when he gets more than 300 at bats, and he won’t get that with the Yankees. He’s a brutally bad pinch hitter, so, he’s not an option there, either.

  93. Betsy January 27th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    86, you’re probably right……but isn’t NJ a waste anywhere else in the lineup? Where else will his OBP play as well as #2?

    I like Gaudin and, frankly, I hope he stays with the team the whole year. He did a nice job last year and I like the flexibility he gives in that he can spot start or pitch out of the pen; it’s sometimes nice to have luxuries on a team. I don’t see that it’s necessary to dump a player just because he’s not absolutely needed; sometimes the luxuries are what separate the very good teams from each other. Most very good teams are going to have good pitching, hitting and at least serviceable D; the question is what distinguishes one team from another? It’s nice to have a Gaudin around.

  94. TheDrB January 27th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    This post was interesting, as most previous reports I had read were down on his left-handed pitching. My favorite Venditte stat is the extremely low walks total. In recent years, having to endure several ‘great stuff’ relievers who couldn’t find the plate was excruciating. If he can keep performing I can definitely see him making it. AA will be a big test.

    As far as needing an out pitch, I vote for the knuckleball!

  95. Betsy January 27th, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Country Club, good point.

  96. MTU January 27th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Vinny-

    If you are correct then we don’t need JD.

  97. gayle January 27th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    I am curious about this “Yankees premium”we saw it with Nady and obviously Boras has it with Damon. Why is there a Yankees premium and is it just a Boras thing or do most agents “charge” this and if that is the case then by all means I do not care if The Yankees stick to their budget at this point we should not get charged a premium. The Yankees have paid the premium it seems far too long.

  98. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 27th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    “yet even a player like Nady (who isn’t that good to begin with)”
    ————————————————–

    yup. And a shattered throwing arm

  99. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Back Johnny!!!! January 27th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    upstate kate
    January 27th, 2010 at 11:18 am
    Thanks for the rules GB

    Bill, Jerkface, Evan- love the octopus comments

    RayVT- that “amphibious” comment really made me laugh

    I wish Damon would sign somewhere and get it over with.

    *********************************

    Me too!!!!!!!!!

    Note to Brian Cashman: SIGN JOHNNY DAMON OR WE ARE THROUGH!

    Okay, going back to my boycott of everything now!

  100. Bronx Born January 27th, 2010 at 11:34 am

    Doing Great GB it was a cold morning of 45 with 93% humidity. Makes it feel even colder.. but the sun is shining. It is Farmer’s Market Day here in Downtown Clearwater. Good Stuff!

  101. MTU January 27th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Vinny-

    Personally I think B) is true.

  102. Frankie Piliere January 27th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Glad you guys enjoyed the Venditte piece. I thought it would be an interesting report for everyone to check out. Just to respond to SJ44′s question, I’ve always been really interested to see if they eventually have him scrap one side. Sure takes away from his intrigue a little bit. I don’t think he’s clearly superior one side, but I do think his stuff LH can be more realistically effective against big leaguers. Right-handed, he just doesn’t have the weapons. Lefty, he may be a slop thrower, but there have been guys w/ funky deliveries that go by w/ stuff like that.

    Best selling item in the Riverdog’s team store, by the way, was a reversible Pat Venditte t-shirt. I got a kick out of that.

    Thanks for reading.

    FP

  103. Frank January 27th, 2010 at 11:40 am

    I can easily see Keith Law’s name being MUD the rest of the afternoon.

  104. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 11:40 am

    Bronx Born
    January 27th, 2010 at 11:34 am
    Doing Great GB it was a cold morning of 45 with 93% humidity. Makes it feel even colder.. but the sun is shining. It is Farmer’s Market Day here in Downtown Clearwater. Good Stuff!

    ————————————————————

    That’s good, Bronx. Have there been any hard freezes lately? Seems like about every 5 years, they have a bad one that wrecks the citrus crops. Haven’t seen much about it, lately. I figured that in my last two trips down to tampa, I was just lucky, and caught the decent weather.

  105. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    I just saw the last thread. Showing up late to the party as usual!

    So if all of this has already been said, so be it.

    I REALLY like the thought that a player who wants to continue to get contracts, especially an older player whose skills have declined, should take a one-year contract and show that he is worth additional years.

    I saw a few posts here that seem to say that Boras did Damon a disservice. Of course he did. But Boras is willing to play that game in the hopes that something he throws out will stick to the wall. The difficulty is that Damon is not a rocket scientist and therefore he doesn’t think for himself. Other players with more brain power have called Boras on his deal, at some point in the negotiations, and have forced him to change course. We saw that with Arod and the Yankees and I’m pretty sure that Varitek is the one who decided to meet with the upper brass last season, when it looked painfully obvious that the Red Sox were not going to budge.

    To me Damon isn’t worth bringing back because he’s a detriment in the field. Maybe if a deal got worked out he could occupy the bench much of the time and add to the offense that way. I don’t know. Being pragmatic here I don’t see that he adds anything to the team such that he’s a necessary component. And at this point, I would rather see the Yankees spend their money on necessary components. If they have a few extra bucks to spend in order to add a little power to the bench, so be it. Otherwise I see spending money on Damon as money down the rathole. At this point I see him as an extra piece and nothing more.

    He overplayed his hand miserably in my opinion. The Yankees don’t need Johnny Damon to win. It’s that simple.

  106. gfd January 27th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    This young pitcher is on youtube. I can’t wait for him to be developed and hopefully be on the Yankees team.It is such an anomaly to see a switch pitcher.

    Damon is worst than Abreu, who came back to earth and signed for 5M. Damon turned down his only and highest offer 2/14M. Even if he signs elsewhere they get a bargain, because his market has disappeared.I read a GM’s thoughts (who didn’t give his name) on older players and Damon’s plight. They think he’s on the brink of decline, and at that stage it’s a game of hot potato. Nobody want to touch him.

    This is a power play between Cashman and Boras, that Damon allowed himself to be caught in, much to his demise.

  107. Wave Your Hat January 27th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    “It’s nice to have a Gaudin around.”

    Yes it is. I think he’s a pretty good pitcher.

    However, Cashman is saying there is a firm budget cap. So IF that is so, would you rather have a $3MM pitcher backing up CC, AJ, Javy, Andy, Joba, Phil and perhaps even Aceves (yes – Gaudin seems to be 7th or 8th on the starter depth chart), or would you rather have Damon?

    Right now the Yanks have no bench depth at all. Reed Johnson or Marcus Thames doesn’t fix it, IMO.

    What’s more likely? That we need the 7th or 8th starting pitcher, or that between Nick Johnson, Swisher, Granderson and Gardner that one of them gets hurt or has a bad season or doesn’t hit lefties?

    IMO, the answer is obvious.

  108. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 27th, 2010 at 11:43 am

    MTU:

    we’ll see. Good to see you, bro

  109. Bronx Born January 27th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Hey GB.. it has gotten close but we survived and think we will are in the warm up mode now so no worries..

  110. borough watch January 27th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    It may ne too little – too late but Damon should have dropped Boras as his agent before this process ever started. Another agent would have Damon signed by now and for reasonable money. Boras set far too high of a ceiling for a player on the downside of his career. Greed conquers all for Boras only this time time it backfired.

  111. ---.---.--- January 27th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    A so called Yankees fan, feigns boycotting over an ex redsox player on a Yankees blog, this is too rich !!

  112. RayVT January 27th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    upstate kate
    January 27th, 2010 at 11:18 am

    LOL! I laugh every time I think about it!! BTW, my brother & sister-in-law went to NC State. I went to Va Tech, so I do enjoy it a bit too much.

    As for Damon, no harm no foul. He didn’t take the Yanks original offer to be basically a DH & spot LF. (2 yrs $14M) That was dumb on his part and more than generous on Yanks part. Now, he is looked at as a full-time LF again. That weakens his position with the Yanks. I still believe if he would accept a $4M offer (& Yanks make the offer) and perhaps have some incentives in the offer for another $2M to $3M) then he would be okay for 1 yr.

    That said, I don’t like CG as a LF. I hope Hoffman or some unknown option will step up and be a good LF & RH hitter.

    I also agree with SJ. Let’s keep the pitchers. OF will be available cheap come July/August, but Pitchers will cost $$$.

  113. MTU January 27th, 2010 at 11:48 am

    GB-

    I have started working my way thru the Marshall videos.

    A few comments :

    1) It’s amazing the effect use has on the internal structure of the body.i.e. Thickening of bones, etc.

    2) Marshall”s pitching motion seems to leave the pitcher out of postion to field effectively ?

    3) He would be a great guy to have to help “prevent” pitching injuries.

    4) Smart man !

    Thanks for turning me onto him. :)

  114. Frank January 27th, 2010 at 11:48 am

    “Damon is worst than Abreu, who came back to earth and signed for 5M. Damon turned down his only and highest offer 2/14M”

    What worst than that for Damon is that he could come back to the Yankees, have a 2009-like year and be in this predicament all over again next year. Abreu was able to endear himself to the Angels by playing well and according to some, providing a little leadership. It earned him a two year contract. If Damon comes back, it doesn’t much matter what he does in 2010 as he’ll almost certainly not be asked back for 2011.

    I think of Abreu actually put himself on the market rather than locking in with the Angels early on, he’d be experiencing what he went thru last year and what Damon is experiencing now…..and probably will experience again next year.

  115. Erin January 27th, 2010 at 11:49 am

    gfd
    January 27th, 2010 at 11:41 am
    This young pitcher is on youtube. I can’t wait for him to be developed and hopefully be on the Yankees team.It is such an anomaly to see a switch pitcher.

    **********************
    Cool. I’ll have to take a little break from work later and check it out-I’m really curious about this guy!!

  116. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 11:51 am

    Bronx Born
    January 27th, 2010 at 11:44 am
    Hey GB.. it has gotten close but we survived and think we will are in the warm up mode now so no worries..

    ————————————————————

    Well, you guys had better import some more heat, because ST is almost ready to start and more importantly, I’m coming there in February. I’ll be cranky if I get cold.

  117. austinmac January 27th, 2010 at 11:51 am

    Erica–Nothing is more powerful than an intermittant boycott, excluding, of course, you’re threat to Brian that you two are through.:)

  118. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Sometimes Wave, you don’t get what you want.

    Somehow, they may have to learn to get by with only 8 productive offensive players instead of 9.

    Granderson isn’t going to face a steady diet of lefties.

    Paul O’Neill had the same rap on him when he came to NY.

    He learned to hit the bad ones, still scuffled against the good ones, and overall was a very productive offensive player.

    Hopefully, Granderson has that kind if career arc.

  119. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    I absolutely agree with the posters here who say that Gaudin and Mitre are necessities to the team where Damon isn’t. It isn’t even close!!!

    If people think otherwise, then I think it’s hard for you to understand the statement/truism that “you can never have enough pitching.”

    Let me try to make it easier for you to understand.

    1. The Yankees have offense pretty much top to bottom. Offense isn’t where the Yankees need to put their money.

    2. The Yankees need defense at LF over offense at LF, if a choice needs to be made. Damon never offered a total package with defense; at this point, he can’t even play every day, and the defense he offered his slipped.

    3. Whether you personally like him or not, Gaudin showed that he could get the job done. Why in hell would you not bring him back to be there for emergency spot starts or to act in long relief?

    To me, taking care of your pitching with Gaudin and Mitre (I’m still willing to think Mitre can help out, especially since he will be further along in his TJ rehab) FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR outweighs any thought of bringing Damon back.

    To see that as a valid statement, all you need to do is observe what the Yankees have done so far this offseason!

    Just sayin’ kids. Just sayin’

  120. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Back Johnny!!!! January 27th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    —.—.—
    January 27th, 2010 at 11:47 am
    A so called Yankees fan, feigns boycotting over an ex redsox player on a Yankees blog, this is too rich !!

    ***************

    How about you develop some nerve and attach a name instead of dots and then criticize me

  121. Frank January 27th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    “What worst than that…”

    I seriously wrote this? Cripes!

    Should read “What’s worse than that…”

  122. Bronx Born January 27th, 2010 at 11:55 am

    I think will be good when you arrive. How long will you be down?

  123. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    I still believe that with Gaudin and Mitre under contract, the emergence of David Robertson and the fact that either Hughes or Joba is going to likely open this season in the pen; the Yankees will move Aceves this spring for some outfield help.

    Aceves has value as either a back of the rotation starter or late inning (non-closer) relief pitcher, but the Yankees have plenty of starters (and spot starters) and between Joba/Hughes, Mo, Robertson and Marte they have innings 7-9 set.

    Would the Pirates be interested in a deal of Aceves for Delwyn Young?

    Young’s a switch hitting outfielder who can play in either corner and bring a better bat off the bench than any of the other guys they’re looking at.

  124. gayle January 27th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Something I am a bit confused about today as well. Joel Sherman has in the Post today that Tino is going to be doing about 40 games for the YES Network. Is he no longer in the front office as I thought that is what he had been doing. If he is still in front office why would he now want to do YES Broadcasts.

  125. 86w183 January 27th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Wave —

    I agree Damon would be more valuable than Gaudin assuming the pitching holds up, but why do you claim that Marcus Thames and/or Reed Johnson do not fit? They both are at least as good as Damon in LF and against LHP and will come cheaper. Who is a better fit for that role?

    My guess is only Gaudin, Aceves OR Mitre makes the team if the top five starters are healthy and the loser of the Phil/Joba battle hears to the pen. That means at least one and possibly both could be used in a deal for an even better LF option.

    One thing I am certain of is that the Yanks will not open the 2010 season with Gardner in LF and an all rookie type bench of Pena/Russo, Cervelli, Hoffman, Miranda and Golson or something like that.

  126. ---.---.--- January 27th, 2010 at 11:58 am

    Wane your hat

    The answer, let Johnny go! Baseball is a game of pitching.
    I’ll take a good/great pitcher over a batter anytime.

    I’m disgusted that Damon/Boras tried to hold the Yankees hostage with his service. Damon is a mercenary and always goes from team to team at contract time. Let him go count his money on a team that will quickly realize they didn’t spend wisely.

    If he comes crawling back to the Yankees so what, shut up and do your job conceited punk!

  127. m January 27th, 2010 at 11:58 am

    Erica,

    That is that poster’s handle. Long-time reader, infrequent poster.

    The problem is, I don’t know how to address him/her. How about Mr. Morse?

  128. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Back Johnny!!!! January 27th, 2010 at 11:58 am

    gayle
    January 27th, 2010 at 11:56 am
    Something I am a bit confused about today as well. Joel Sherman has in the Post today that Tino is going to be doing about 40 games for the YES Network. Is he no longer in the front office as I thought that is what he had been doing. If he is still in front office why would he now want to do YES Broadcasts.

    *************

    Cone has left YES so maybe he is replacing him

  129. Wave Your Hat January 27th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    “Sometimes Wave, you don’t get what you want. ”

    So what’s your point? I say if the Yanks could get Damon by adding Gaudin’s salary to the $4MM they apparently are willing to pay him they should, and your reply is you can’t always get what you want?

    I say, it’s well known that if you try sometimes, you can get what you need. And I think the Yanks need Damon a lot more than they need Gaudin.

    And for those thinking we need Gaudin more than Damon because pitchers are harder to acquire than OF, don’t forget the Yanks got the apparently necessary Chad Gaudin in mid-season for the whopping sum of $100,000.

  130. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    MTU:

    My pleasure. Glad you enjoy the site. Marshall was a pretty good fielding pitcher, so, I guess his goal is to get the motion down first and fine tune from there.

    I’m trying to find some videos on Sandy Koufax. He was the first pitcher that I remember that had almost most wasted motion. All of his energy went into a nearly perfect set of mechanics. Not sure what his training involved, but, there are some similarities in their mechanics. Absolutely no strain on the shoulder. Koufax’s elbow injuries weren’t from pitching. The arthritis was caused by banging his elbow on the ground when sliding into 2nd base in 1962.

  131. Erin January 27th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    gayle
    January 27th, 2010 at 11:56 am
    Something I am a bit confused about today as well. Joel Sherman has in the Post today that Tino is going to be doing about 40 games for the YES Network. Is he no longer in the front office as I thought that is what he had been doing. If he is still in front office why would he now want to do YES Broadcasts.

    **********************
    That makes sense now that Cone is gone.

  132. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    A lot of people on here has mentioned Gaudin as the “7th starter.”

    This is simply not true. Gaudin is the #6 starter. Whoever loses the battle for the #5 slot between Joba and Hughes will go to the pen.

    Therefore, if someone in the rotation goes down, how do you plan on them stepping into the rotation? What happened last year when a starter went down and Hughes was in the pen?

    Therefore, as the #6 starter Gaudin is very valuable to this team. There is a reason 1/2 the teams in baseball are always looking for a starter at the trade deadline.

  133. SteveB January 27th, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    Erin, check out my post at 10:30 for that YouTube link.

    I can’t believe Johnny Damon is still a topic of discussion.

    As for MTU’s poll at 11:11, I pick–
    C) Grandy + NJ = Damon + Matsui

    BUT that’s if you compare the 2009 Matsui/Damon to the 2010 Grandy/NJ, which is what everybody seems to be stuck on. Damon had the two best years of his career in 2008/2009 if you look at the ‘OPS+’ statistic. He’s due to have a letdown in 2010. The improvement in outfielding combined with a #4 pitcher who will give us 200+ quality innings (Vazquez) is a major improvement to this team. Sure, I’ll miss Damon’s and Matsui’s ‘clutch-ness’, but these guys are getting older, slowing down & injury-prone. Grandy will hit about 35+ HRs and steal bases, something Damon stopped doing last season, if anybody noticed that. NJ will remind us of Jason Giambi somewhat– not quite as much power, but loads of clutch hits, walks, always on base. And why is everyone scared of Brett Gardner? All he has to do is match his 2009′s batting numbers, field CF well, steal like crazy and he’ll be a big plus. This is a GREAT team. Cashman is doing the right things.

  134. Wave Your Hat January 27th, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    86-

    If the Yanks could get a good LF or CF in a trade I would be for that. But looking at the available outfielders, and excluding those who would violate the budget ceiling theory, I think the only ones to get are people like Choo, Cruz or Pence, and I don’t think the Yanks could get them or would be willing to trade the chips it would take to land them.

    Look, if they sign Reed Johnson or Thames that’s something, and I’m not opposed to it – I just think those guys aren’t everyday players the way Damon is. I just like the Damon play more.

    If Damon won’t play here for less than $10MM, then you just have to say too bad so sad and let him go. But if he’s gettable in the $6MM range, or less, then I think the Yanks ought to do it, and then make the roster moves they need to make to fit him in.

  135. Jessica January 27th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    where did Cone go?

  136. 86w183 January 27th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    Wave —

    I’m trying to agree with you, but the idea that the Yanks should pay $ 7 Million for Damon when no one else has offered him a bowl of fruit loops is just crazy.

    There’s no way on earth that Damon is enough of an upgrade over Gardner to justify giving up Gaudin and $ 4 Million.

  137. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    Bronx Born
    January 27th, 2010 at 11:55 am
    I think will be good when you arrive. How long will you be down?

    ————————————————————

    Only about a day. I have to get a checkup and see if everything is clean, so far. They’ll check on the meds and either strengthen or decrease the potency. Hopefully, after that, they’ll allow me to hang around with people….especially the twins. Maybe even be allowed to bring the dog home. We’ll see.

  138. Erin January 27th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    SteveB
    January 27th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
    Erin, check out my post at 10:30 for that YouTube link.

    *********************
    Thanks Steve! :)

  139. bru January 27th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    SteveB
    January 27th, 2010 at 10:50 am
    Boone= Metsies, is my guess.

    Speaking of which, why wouldn’t Omar Minaya give Wang one of those Jon Leiber contracts? From my perspective Wang & the Mets would be perfect together.

    For you folks who can’t get off the Johnny Damon bandwagon– the Yankees are a better team right now than they were one year ago. I love Damon too (and Matsui even more!) but this season is going to be a lot of fun if the team stays mostly healthy. It’s time to put the past behind us. Granderson will be great in LF and Gardner will be all-around better than Melky was in CF, and the pitching staff is awesome. No crying for Damon, he’s earned $92 million over the past 10 seasons and he’ll end up somewhere soon. Just not in the Bronx. Good bye and good luck Johnny (and Hideki).

    SteveB

    ———————————————————-

    the problem is not with the starting 3 o.f.

    it is what happens if gardner struggles & swish badly pulls a hammy??

    or if swish badly pulls a hammy even if gardner does ok??

    now we are pulling a minor leaguer up & starting him in rf

    not pretty

  140. gayle January 27th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    I understand that Cone left my question is is Tino still a special assistant to Cashman as he has been for the past few years and is he leaving THAT position to now do YES Broadcasts? If that is the case my question would be why has he decided he doesn’t want to do front office work, they were not getting him involved enough or has he just decided he wants to do TV.Not sure how good he will be at it the few times I have seen him on not the best.

  141. m January 27th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    Damon is worst than Abreu, who came back to earth and signed for 5M. Damon turned down his only and highest offer 2/14M. Even if he signs elsewhere they get a bargain, because his market has disappeared.I read a GM’s thoughts (who didn’t give his name) on older players and Damon’s plight. They think he’s on the brink of decline, and at that stage it’s a game of hot potato. Nobody want to touch him.
    ============================================
    gfd,

    Thanks for this. Totally agreed. Cash had no problem letting Abreu go (even though he had that handsome X to fill in). Why wouldn’t he have a problem risking losing Damon? He’s a worse defender and Damon’s not as durable as Bobby was.

  142. Wave Your Hat January 27th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    “Therefore, if someone in the rotation goes down, how do you plan on them stepping into the rotation? What happened last year when a starter went down and Hughes was in the pen?”

    So will Chad Gaudin be “stretched out” at that point? The answer is no. Gaudin is the 7th starter.

  143. ArtieA January 27th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    I might have missed this but does anybody know how Whitey Ford is getting along these days? Haven’t seem him much in the last year or two?

  144. Erin January 27th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Jessica
    January 27th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
    where did Cone go?

    *************************
    Jessica, his contract was up and he said in a statement that he dedcided to spend more time with his family. He did say that if he ever wants to return to broadcasting, YES would be his first choice.

  145. Wave Your Hat January 27th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    86-

    We don’t disagree. Only SJ thinks I am advocating paying more than we have to for Damon. I don’t insist on top dollar! I

  146. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Wave -

    With the Yankee lineup being what it is right now all they need out of LF is someone who can hit around .250 out of the 9 spot in the order.

    And certainly they are better defensively with Gardner in LF than Damon.

    Figure the club carries 12 pitchers that means they’ll have 4 spots on the bench – I think three of those go to Hoffmann, Pena and Cervelli leaving one spot open. As I suggested above – a deal for Delwyn Young from Pitt for Aceves makes some sense to me in that the Yankees will be dealing from a position of strength with their spot starters and long relievers for a guy who can give them some offense off the bench.

  147. RayVT January 27th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Wave Your Hat
    January 27th, 2010 at 11:41 am
    “It’s nice to have a Gaudin around.” … Damon instead.

    Wave, come July which guy helps the Yanks the most for a trade to get a replacement player. Damon although I’d love to see him back is a liability as a LF, but he was last year too. I don’t think CG is an answer, but perhaps the Yanks have another plan in mind for the 40th man Roster spot that is open. Hoffman intrigues me as he is a great defensive OF with a high upside as a hitter. CG, IMO, belongs as a PR spot player. More of a 5th OF than a 3rd or 4th OF.

    Come July, IMO, like most other years the Yanks will be looking for Pitchers more than anything else.

  148. Erin January 27th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    gayle
    January 27th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
    I understand that Cone left my question is is Tino still a special assistant to Cashman as he has been for the past few years and is he leaving THAT position to now do YES Broadcasts?

    ***************************
    I have no idea. I’m not much help, am I? ;)

  149. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    “So will Chad Gaudin be “stretched out” at that point? The answer is no. Gaudin is the 7th starter.”

    ————————–

    The Yankees (like every other team in baseball) tend to keep their long-man stretched out with multiple inning appearances and side sessions. Aceves was that guy last year and in his first start he was able to throw 80 pitches.

    Hughes/Joba on the other hand will be throwing 10-15 pitches at a time. It will take weeks for them to get stretched out.

    Sorry, but Hughes/Joba are not the #6 starter. The Yankees have never kept those guys stretched out in the pen and next year will be no exception

  150. sab January 27th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    trisha – OPPC forever – (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS!
    January 27th, 2010 at 11:53 am
    I absolutely agree with the posters here who say that Gaudin and Mitre are necessities to the team where Damon isn’t. It isn’t even close!!!

    If people think otherwise, then I think it’s hard for you to understand the statement/truism that “you can never have enough pitching.”

    Let me try to make it easier for you to understand.

    1. The Yankees have offense pretty much top to bottom. Offense isn’t where the Yankees need to put their money.

    2. The Yankees need defense at LF over offense at LF, if a choice needs to be made. Damon never offered a total package with defense; at this point, he can’t even play every day, and the defense he offered his slipped.

    3. Whether you personally like him or not, Gaudin showed that he could get the job done. Why in hell would you not bring him back to be there for emergency spot starts or to act in long relief?

    To me, taking care of your pitching with Gaudin and Mitre (I’m still willing to think Mitre can help out, especially since he will be further along in his TJ rehab) FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR outweighs any thought of bringing Damon back.

    To see that as a valid statement, all you need to do is observe what the Yankees have done so far this offseason!

    Just sayin’ kids. Just sayin’
    ************************

    Although I totally agree that pitching is key – let me just play devils advocate with this scenario..

    If the yankees lose 2 starting pitchers to injuries that would be a huge loss but they would still have more than enough pitchers to fill the void for a month or so…MORE than enough

    on the other hand if the yankees lose 2 OF/DH starters(yes I’m talking about Nick Johnson when I throw in the DH spot)who plays those positions – competitively? Are you ready to give Hoffmann and or goldstein (i purposely wrote his name wrong to emphasize how thin they are at those positions)a starting spot on the freaking New York Yankees for a month or so?

    So yes pitching is important, but having a solid back up plan in case your already weak outfield needs backups is equally as important – and lets not forget a few years ago cashman’s backup plan for pitching was sidney ponson, darrel rasner and bottom feeders like that and his backups for batters was richie sexson and some other outfielders (one from the royals who’s last name started with a G but i can’t remember – who sucked – and some other dude from i think the a’s that was even worse …terrence long?)

  151. Wave Your Hat January 27th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    let’s go-

    Why can’t Aceves fill the same role you advocate for Gaudin? And for a lot less money?

    How many long relief innings are there going to be on the Yanks for both Aceves and Gaudin? Probably not enough to keep them both sharp.

  152. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    If NYY could unload Albaladejo and Ramirez to an NL team (where their best fortunes may lie, they could add that cash to Damon’s offer. Even if they get just a middling minor league outfielder, would be an improvement. Package Igawa (paying 5 mil of the remaining 8 mil owed) and they may get a more useful minor leaguer. That’s the only way the Yanks can move enough money to make Damon feasible. Gaudin and Mitre separately have more value than those other three combined. Will it happen? Doubtful, but, possible.

  153. SteveB January 27th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    bru
    January 27th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    the problem is not with the starting 3 o.f.
    it is what happens if gardner struggles & swish badly pulls a hammy??
    or if swish badly pulls a hammy even if gardner does ok??
    now we are pulling a minor leaguer up & starting him in rf
    not pretty
    ————————————

    bru, you are 100% correct!
    That is also a concern of mine, with untried young ballplayers as backups. (Hoffmann, Cervelli, Russo/Pena)
    But you can’t organize your team expecting a rash of injuries, which, BTW, would be MORE likely if Damon was here. If one of the OF-ers goes down, there is WAY ENOUGH hitting (and pitching too) on this team to compensate. Also, trading for an OF-er is the easiest thing for a GM to do, if need be. One thing we Yankees fans should know by now is that you don’t win it all trying to put together a team of 25 All-Stars. We tried that in the mid-1980s and mid-2000s, failing both times. The talents of Gardner- his athleticism in the field and his blazing speed on the bases gives the Yankees dimensions they haven’t had & makes the team so much stronger. Gardner will be just fine, in fact I think he’ll be somewhat better than 2009.

  154. Noreaster January 27th, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    I think we can all agree that the offense will be deeper if Damon is signed, but I don’t think the Yankees need Damon as much as Damon needs the Yankees. Which is how this is playing out.

  155. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    gayle
    January 27th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
    I understand that Cone left my question is is Tino still a special assistant to Cashman as he has been for the past few years and is he leaving THAT position to now do YES Broadcasts? If that is the case my question would be why has he decided he doesn’t want to do front office work, they were not getting him involved enough or has he just decided he wants to do TV.Not sure how good he will be at it the few times I have seen him on not the best.

    ————————————————————

    He’s still in the front office, but, I’d guess that this is just another way for him to learn more about the company business. He wants to become a GM at some time, so, this can’t hurt. I’d be willing to bet that in time, he, Jeter and a few others form a group to buy into a ball team. Not sure how much money his family had, but, they owned a cigar factory in Tampa.

  156. Erin January 27th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    New post

  157. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    Let’s go Yankees, we finally agree on something. Gaudin is the Yankees 6th starter. The loser in the Hughes/Joba knock down becomes Mariano’s personal caddy.

    ;)

    That’s the way, uh huh uh huh, I like it, uh huh uh huh.

    I guess the only way you play for a player who isn’t going to bee an every-day player (that would be Damon) is if you feel that you have no other option. I am sincerely hoping it doesn’t come to that. Girardi was masterful last season using Matsui and Damon like chess pieces, sitting them out, getting them up, moving them around so that their tired bones could give the Yankees the best return they could.

    Why bother if you don’t have to?

    Let Gardner have the start at left, or platoon him with the new OF they just acquired. If anyone thinks that Damon is the difference between the Yankees winning or losing next season, we’re in worst shape than I thought.

    ;)

  158. bru January 27th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    SteveB
    January 27th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
    bru
    January 27th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    the problem is not with the starting 3 o.f.
    it is what happens if gardner struggles & swish badly pulls a hammy??
    or if swish badly pulls a hammy even if gardner does ok??
    now we are pulling a minor leaguer up & starting him in rf
    not pretty
    ————————————

    bru, you are 100% correct!
    That is also a concern of mine, with untried young ballplayers as backups. (Hoffmann, Cervelli, Russo/Pena)
    But you can’t organize your team expecting a rash of injuries, which, BTW, would be MORE likely if Damon was here. If one of the OF-ers goes down, there is WAY ENOUGH hitting (and pitching too) on this team to compensate. Also, trading for an OF-er is the easiest thing for a GM to do, if need be. One thing we Yankees fans should know by now is that you don’t win it all trying to put together a team of 25 All-Stars. We tried that in the mid-1980s and mid-2000s, failing both times. The talents of Gardner- his athleticism in the field and his blazing speed on the bases gives the Yankees dimensions they haven’t had & makes the team so much stronger. Gardner will be just fine, in fact I think he’ll be somewhat better than 2009.

    ————————————————————

    we can survive with gardner but in reality until he proves otherwise he is a 4th o.f.

    in addition we have absolutely no 4th o.f.

  159. John Doe January 27th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Ok…proof that all of us follow the Yankees probably more than is healthy: We’ve been discussing a player who the team does not need on a daily basis at length more or less all of us just repeating the same thing over and over and over again. And yet here I am, still talking about him just by writing this, lol.

    That said, Damon back for 5-6 otherwise Gardner for about .4 sounds good to me. Or has he made it all the way up to .8?

  160. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    Wave,

    My point is, the Yankees don’t believe they need Johnny Damon at the cost of pitching.

    If they did, they would have moved a pitcher to clear salary space for him.

    Not doing so should tell you the value they have placed on Damon differs from yours.

    Are they correct? That’s what the season is for….to find out.

    Right now though, their evaluation of Damon has proven correct on the open market since he has no offers close to his asking price at the present time.

  161. John Doe January 27th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    If this team is not a contender for the World Series going deep into October it is not because we didn’t re-sign Johnny Damon. We have Arod, CC, Tex, Jeter, Cano, AJ, Vazquez, Granderson, Pettite, Mo, Hughes, Chamberlain, Posada, et al. All have save Hughes and Chamberlain and AJ have made an All-star appearance, a number are All-Star game mainstays. People discuss how the Mets should win because they have a handful of talented stars. You look at the best teams in baseball and try to find as many talented, as well as established and experienced, players on one roster and name it. This is a great team as it stands right now. I’d go so far as to say an amazing team. Our fourth starter is either Pettite, one of the best lefties in baseball, or Vazquez, a guy who with our offense and defense has 15-18 win potential. But Johnny Damon is the crux upon with the Yankees hopes to win are resting? I’m not buying it. We’re favorites for the World Series as right now in my opinion.

  162. Patrick January 27th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    Wave,

    The point you are arguing in this thread is 100% correct. Spending that $3 million towards Damon is a much better investment then spending it on Gaudin.

    Gaudin is more of a luxury, considering the current pitching depth on the team while having another solid outfielder in Damon is closer to being a necessity.

  163. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 January 27th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Yankees won every game Gsudin started, even if he didn’t get the win! He’s not good with lefties but can pitch.

    Damon can hit but has poor defense. OFFENSE sells tickets, defense wins games.

  164. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 January 27th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Edit Gsudin = Gaudin

  165. Bronx Born January 27th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Got it GB. I wish you well I know you miss the dog and changing the twin’s diapers.. :)

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