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The good and the bad of Randy Winn

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 27, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It’s hard to tell how much of the negative reaction to today’s signing is a legitimate dislike of Randy Winn, and how much is legitimate disappointment at not bringing back Johnny Damon. The Yankees spent the past few weeks telling everyone to expect this sort of signing — a low-cost, fourth outfielder to round out the bench and compete for a starting job — but it still seems to have caught everyone off guard. After last year’s Mark Teixeira signing, a last-second change of plans always seemed possible, if not likely.

Obviously, Winn has some holes, but so does every $2-million extra outfielder. Randy Winn is not Johnny Damon, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad player for this Yankees team.

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The Good: Until last season, Winn was a solid everyday player for the better part of a decade. He’s a career .286 hitter who plays good defense and runs pretty well. Until last season, the idea of Winn as a fourth outfielder would have been outstanding.

The Bad: Last season was awful. Winn’s .318 on-base percentage came with only two home runs and his highest strikeout total in five years. He’s 35 years old, and you can’t help wondering if his age is catching up to him.

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The Good: In his career, Winn’s left-right splits are fairly even. He’s hit .280 as a right-hander, .289 as a left-hander. Slightly higher on-base percentage as a lefty, slightly higher slugging percentage as a righty.

The Bad: Again, last season was awful. He hit .292 as a lefty, but put up a .158/.184/.200 line as a right-handed batter. Cody Ransom hit better against lefties than Winn did.

The Good: Last year’s splits seems to be out of the ordinary. Winn hit .289 with a .470 slugging percentage as a right-handed batter in 2008, and he hit .351 with a .535 slugging percentage right-handed in 2007.

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The Good: At just $2 million, Winn was inexpensive even in this outfield market. Rick Ankiel – coming off a .231/.285/.387 season – got $3.25 million guaranteed. Xavier Nady — coming off a second Tommy John surgery — got $3.3 million. This deal likely (I’m guessing here) does not blow the Yankees budget for a possible mid-season addition, should that be necessary.

The Bad: The Yankees’ talk of sticking to a budget seems to have been sincere. I’m not actually sure that’s a bad thing, but I know, in a lot of ways, it will seem to be a bad thing.

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The Good: If Winn bounces back to his 2008 form – or even comes fairly close to his 2008 form — the Yankees will have a cheap outfielder who’s capable of playing every day. The version of Randy Winn who played two years ago could hit lefties and righties, play all three outfield positions, provide some speed on the bases and occasionally hit a ball out of the park. For what the Yankees need him to do, that’s an outstanding option.

The Bad: If Winn repeats last season, the Yankees have a veteran on the bench who doesn’t provide much: No power, and certainly not a right-handed complement to Gardner and Granderson. This isn’t Johnny Damon, and for those holding out hope for an unexpected Damon return, this clearly doesn’t satisfy.

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Bottom line, this is a fourth outfielder being asked to compete for a starting job. That’s exactly the kind of role Winn should fill. He doesn’t cost much, and last season’s numbers aren’t in keeping with his career numbers (or even his recent numbers). I don’t know why the Yankees wanted him over a more traditional platoon-type outfielder — I really thought it would be either Reed Johnson or Marcus Thames — but that’s a question Brian Cashman might answer after the deal is official. For now, there is only Randy Winn.

Maybe not the guy you were expecting, but hardly a terrible option for this role.

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351 Responses to “The good and the bad of Randy Winn”

  1. Shelley Duncan January 27th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    DAMN IT! *SMASH*

  2. crawdaddy January 27th, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    I know some think there isn’t much difference between Winn and Reed Johnson. However, Johnson’s numbers against lefty pitching is very good and consistent. Perhaps, his injury history played into it or he still wanted more money than Winn. It’s just weird seeing the Yankees bargain base shopping with a 200M+ payroll.

  3. stuckey January 27th, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    I’m interested to hear from the fan who thought Damon made the Yankees a 1000 run scoring team express his bitter disappointment that they might not only score 970-985 in 2010.

  4. Drive 4- 5 January 27th, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    I’ll repost if you dont mind.

    austinmac,

    The problem is, the new Yankee Stadium isn’t conducive to line drive hitters. It strongly favor batters that hit the ball in the air.

    Last week Keith Law did an ESPN Insider piece on the new Yankee Stadium. It’s not the hitter’s paradise as some claim. I was surprised to learn that fewer doubles and triples were hit in Yankee Stadium than any other American League ballpark. Conversely, it obviously yielded the most home runs.

    The ballpark that saw the most runs scored? That would be Fenway, the same park that yielded by far the most doubles. Camden Yard was a very distant second for doubles. Fenway is far more conducive to a line drive hitter than Yankee Stadium is. There is no big outfield gap in Yankee Stadium and 330 foot line drives are outs instead of doubles off the wall.

  5. john January 27th, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    He hit .292 as a lefty, but put up a .158/.184/.200 line as a right-handed batter. Cody Ransom hit better against lefties than Winn did.

    How is this possible?

  6. crawdaddy January 27th, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    I wonder which YES executive is Sherman talking about in this article? It’s not surprising though, it’s how the Yankees and YES have operated over the years which is why Yankee fans are stuck with lesser announcers on TV and radio than lesser teams.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....ICicflEu4K

  7. Paco Dooley January 27th, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    I don’t like this move since I see it as money wasted. If you want a mediocre outfielder you can stick with Gardner and hope for the best and then try a midseason trade. You can add up all of the smaller, but bad contracts and get yourself one decent player. But I like that it is a 1 year contract and the team retains flexibility…

  8. Howard Cosell January 27th, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    Winn’s new nickname will be “passing winn” -this guy was subpar even when he was in his prime.

    “passing winn” = eeeewwww stinky

    HC

  9. austinmac January 27th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    Drive 4-5–Those are interesting numbers and fit with watching so many expected doubles to right become singles.

    In my continuing effort to find joy in the Winn signing somewhere, I will say his fly ball % was also up last year. Of course, they may well have been pop ups to second.

  10. stuckey January 27th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    The Yankees signed a non-All Star.

    The wolves are out…

  11. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 27th, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    I believe the Yankees offer of 2 years for $14 million to Damon was a very good offer. I think he was foolish to pass on it; I thought the deal the Abreu signed with the Angels would have clued Johnny in. Sadly, no. I wish Johnny well, and I will miss having him on the team.

    austinmac -

    We posted a bit before about having to have all-stars (or not) at every position. Now, let’s talk “gradations” of all-star, with all-star simply meaning whatever the fan base thinks is the best available (or possibly available in the case of trade). I don’t know Randy Winn. Never heard of him before. I wonder how many hear have actually heard of him? And how many have seen him play more than a game here or there? And yet, the general feeling I’m getting here is that he’s not good enough. I find it slightly amusing.

    Anyway, it looks like he could be a decent player for the Yankees. And sometimes decent is good enough.

    Cashman was actually pretty straightforward this off-season, wasn’t he? He said they were not impressed with the free agent market this year, that it was a “thin” market. That next year’s is much better. Well, it is quite apparent that they are putting aside for next season. So, they keep the budget down this season in order to make a splurge next season. This is smart. You don’t settle and you don’t get involved in megacontracts with not-quite-elite players (Holliday) so that you can go out next season and get what you really want. And Winn has a one-year deal. You can get through a one-year deal. No huge commitment there.

    The season has to play out, but the most significant thing that Cashman did was to bolster the rotation with Vazquez. Four top starters, and possibly 5. A better defense. Overall, younger. And defintely more roster flexibility, with the sights set ahead.

    Every team has to hope that they stay healthy and every team has to hope that most of the breaks fall their way. But the Yankees are starting from a good place.

    Now, I can’t wait for spring training to begin.

    And let’s see where Damon ends up and for how much.

    If Boras was still asking for $10 million from the Yankees, then, I don’t see what else could have transpired here.

  12. RayVT January 27th, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    Who were the Yanks going to sign for LF? Damon was offered 2 yrs & $14M and turned it down. Holiday asked for the moon & got it. Bay perhaps could have been had, but a long term contract seems like a bad idea given the Yankees needs.

    I’m not trying to justify Winn or even Gardner, but I believe there are 5 to 10 guys that will be an upgrade if needed by AS break. Maybe one we all like!! LOL! Maybe even Damon!

  13. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    I hate the filter. Suffice to say that I was not one of those who this took by surprise

  14. Drive 4- 5 January 27th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    austinmac,

    Could you do me a favor? When you find the joy in the Winn signing could you please let me know what your secret was? I’m in need of it myself. lol

  15. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    Cash was very emphatic in talking about the budget this year – last year had nothing to do with now. Last year, the Yanks were coming off of a terrible 2008 and needed to make a huge splash in FA

  16. ANSKY January 27th, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    It seems like Cash is putting down some spare change and rolling the dice for a rebound season. For the price it’s not a heap of money to lose, and you’re right … he could be dealt if the ’07-’08 Winn doesn’t show up.

    I’d have hoped for better but we’ll have to see.

    What are the chances there was some injury holding him back from the right side last year? Some mechanical kink that can be worked out? That is a pretty big dip from a fairly regular level of performance. It had to be something besides pitchers suddenly figuring him out this late in his career.

  17. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    Craw –

    I think the difference between Winn and Johnson is that the Yankees feel Winn can compete with Brett Gardner for the everyday job whereas Reed Johnson would strictly be a backup.

    From my point of view this was the right move to make. I was very much against just handing Brett Gardner the starting LF spot and with only Hoffmann, Winfree, and Golson to compete against him, that’s exactly what was going to happen. With an established veteran who is absolutely capable of playing everyday Brett is going to have to earn his spot and I think that’s a good thing. Remember how Melky responded when he had to compete against Gardner for playing time last year vs how he performed when the job was just handed to him in 2008? Hopefully the same sort of thing can happen here.

    I for one believe that Winn is going to rebound nicely from last season and being in a more hitter friendly park and in this dynamic lineup will help. He’s also a great option to bat 2nd on the days when Nick Johnson doesn’t play.

  18. Bob(the original) January 27th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Why is this a big deal either way?

    For what he has been signed to do, Winn is a good choice. He’s a fourth outfielder. If the season is resting on what Randy Winn does, than we have a whole lot more to be worried about. Those of you who loved Melky, should love Winn just as much. They are the same player except for Melky’s arm.

    Why some of you get so upset about trivial moves, I’ll never understand.

  19. RayVT January 27th, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    Chip
    January 27th, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    I think Hoffman will start in LF. He has the tools, speed & defense including a very good arm. I believe he is a better hitter than Gardner too. I also think Winn will be the 4th OF, making Gardner the PR defensive replacement type guy off the bench or trade bait.

  20. Bob(the original) January 27th, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    Hoffman will not be playing over Gardner.

  21. joeysdadjoe January 27th, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    Winn will start in left unless he shows nothing in ST.

  22. Ythan January 27th, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    Unless there’s an injury no one knows about to justify his 2009 numbers, this move seems penny-wise and pound foolish. He’ll last on the roster about as long as Morgan Ensberg did a couple years back. Jamie Hoffman’s spot with the Yanks appears safe.

  23. vin January 27th, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    Spot on post, Chad.

    Randy had pretty good road numbers last year, and splitting time with Gardner/Hoffman may help mitigate some of his age-related problems.

    He’s a good defensive outfielder, with a good arm, and is a good base stealer. He can play all 3 OF positions. He’s a vet who has never played in the postseason.

    I like the move (of course I wanted JD to return, though). Cashman will not be pushed around by anyone… Boras included (eventhough they’re great for each other).

  24. whatever January 27th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    CHAD, What I dont understand is why the Yankees couldn’t give Damon 2 or 3 million more to assure that he’d be back… thats what I dont understand.. you know they have that money.. why couldn’t they go above and beyond for the fans?

    or at the very least, why couldn’t they trade gaudin, mitre.. WHY couldn’t they FIND A WAY!!!

    They could have done something… so we fans don’t want to hear about budget.

    it’s hard to believe the new york yankees couldn’t make this happen.

  25. Pat M. January 27th, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    Chad, that was very well done……Now let’s see if the students digest and understand the lesson….I think he’ll be fine and very well likely get the starting assignmnet….This way Brett Gardner can pinch run for Nick Johnson late in the game when the tying run is on 2nd….

  26. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    You don’t need an injury to justify a bad season. Sometimes they just happen.

  27. saucY January 27th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    stuckey
    January 27th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
    The Yankees signed a non-All Star.

    The wolves are out…
    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
    except he is a former all star ;)

    i like the signing. cheap and allows flexibility. not a guy that Joe will feel obligated to start due to salary.

    a 35 year old Melky, maybe?

  28. Bob(the original) January 27th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    You guys ever stop to think that the Yanks just didn’t want Damon around?

    The guy almost quit on the team at least once. You think Cashman doesn’t think about that?

    We don’t know everything that goes on.

    Give Cashman a little bit of credit here for having a clue what he’s doing.

    My God, 4 years ago everyone hates the signing of Damomn, now you’re crying that he’s gone.

  29. ANSKY January 27th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Hey, Chad Curtis in LF for most of the year worked in ’98.

    If there were a few 4th OFs playing for only 1 OF spot, that’d be better.

    Right now it seems like Gardner, Swisher, Golson, Hoffman and Winn are all 4th OFs playing for 2 OF spots. At one time or another (even now) that’s what many have considered Swisher and Gardner to be.

    I’m sure someone will put in a surprise season in ’10. Still … eeehhhhhh …

    I’m also sure someone will get traded too.

  30. Drive 4- 5 January 27th, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    I’m not sure, but replacing the guy who led the team in runs scored and was in the top 5 in just about every offensive category with a soon to ne 36 year old Randy Winn is a little more than a trivial move. It’s a giant leap of faith, actually.

  31. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    Here’s what I don’t get:

    Ken Rosenthal just went on MLB Network and said; “the yankees should have broken their so called ‘budget’ to bring back a guy who helped them win the world series last year.”

    When the Yankees spend money the media slams them for buying titles; when the Yankees try to hold to a budget the media slams them for not spending money.

  32. saucY January 27th, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    i’m a little late, but i see some have already beat me to the Melky comparison…

  33. xxx January 27th, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    Winn’s splits last year were intriguing:

    home: .225 AVG .289 OBP .585 OPS

    away: .295 AVG .345 OBP .749 OPS

    hopefully the Yanks get the “away” Winn.

  34. stuckey January 27th, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    “CHAD, What I dont understand is why the Yankees couldn’t give Damon 2 or 3 million more to assure that he’d be back… thats what I dont understand..”

    Maybe they don’t like Damon as much as you do?

    “Maybe they you know they have that money.. why couldn’t they go above and beyond for the fans?”

    Above and beyond what? Is $200m the figure the Yankees OWE fans?

  35. Drive 4- 5 January 27th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    “This way Brett Gardner can pinch run for Nick Johnson late in the game when the tying run is on 2nd….”

    Bingo. Gardner’s best role on the team.

    We shouldn’t lose sight that the team that opens in Boston won’t be the same that closes in Boston. By July the Yanks outfield could look much different.

  36. Doreen January 27th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    I don’t think the Yankees didn’t want Damon around. But I do think they only wanted him for a different role. I believe he was not viewed as the everyday LF going forward. They would have signed him as a DH and part-time LF, and the offered him a generous contract commensurate with such a role. Trouble is, Damon doesn’t see this as his role, or at the very least, still thinks he should be paid as if primetime CF was his role.

  37. [citation needed] January 27th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    who here can honestly say they were looking forward to another year of Damon in left field?

    every ball hit out there gave me butterflies. in case people have forgotten, defense is a key part of the game.

  38. saucY January 27th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    the only thing i don’t like about this signing is that i can’t ‘become a fan of’ Randy Winn on facebook……

    yet

  39. JCPD..... Long time reader, few times poster January 27th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    OMG. Opposing fans whine about the Yankees payroll all the time and Yankee fans complain about them. You’ve turned into the type of fans you hate and complain about, the whiney type. This isn’t a transaction that is going to make or break the season.

  40. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    Folks,

    If Randy Winn is the number 9 hitter in the lineup I’m fine with it.

  41. stuckey January 27th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    “I’m not sure, but replacing the guy who led the team in runs scored and was in the top 5 in just about every offensive category with a soon to ne 36 year old Randy Winn is a little more than a trivial move. It’s a giant leap of faith, actually.”

    But they didn’t.

    Granderson replaced Damon.

    Gardner/Winn is replacing Cabrera.

    At worst is a wash offensively and defensively a significant improvement.

    What part of this is hard to understand?

  42. Drive 4- 5 January 27th, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    “Above and beyond what? Is $200m the figure the Yankees OWE fans?”

    No more than the mlb leading average $75/ ticket is the figure the fans owe the Yankees.

  43. Nick in SF January 27th, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    “Who were the Yanks going to sign for LF? Damon was offered 2 yrs & $14M and turned it down.”

    Whoa, Ray! It’s my belief that the 2/$14M offer to Damon was made with the intent to have him mostly DH but with the ability to play some OF (which is why it seems Cashman valued Damon a bit more than Mastsui).

    Once Damon rejcted the offer and they signed NJ to DH, Damon’s value to the team went way down.

    @Doreen: I’m surprised you’re so unfamiliar with Randy Winn. He was a Mariner for years before going to the SF Giants. He’s been a solid player for most of his career. I’m guessing that most of those who are so unhappy with him have heard of him.

  44. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    All Winn does is replace Cabrera in the Gardner/Cabrera tandem. He’s not replacing Damon. Granderson did that.

  45. biz January 27th, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    i dont think this is a bad signing at all. like the post says, hes cheap, and has been pretty consistent throughout his career. i also kind of like that hes a veteran with experience starting incase of any type of injury.

  46. gfd January 27th, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    Yada yada yada, Boras on 97.1 the ticket saying,He’s done talking to the YANKEES ABOUT A DEAL FOR Damon, and is now on to Tigers and Reds. Tigers are eying Jim Edmonds 39, Damon has competition!

    Winn is coming to the reigning WS Champions NY Yankees. This could be a “win win” for both parties. If He comes motivated and contributes to the team. After next season his offers go up.

    Winn has never played on a team that made it to postseason.He has to be stoked.

  47. whatever January 27th, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    why couldn’t arod go to the yanks and give back some money and say GIVE IT TO MY GOOD FRIEND JOHNNY? I WOULD HAVE DONE IT if I was in that same situation…. because Damon helps players around him get better…

  48. Bronx Jeers January 27th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    Craw-

    Wow. I was out of the country in early Jan and had no idea Cone was leaving YES. I’m sure its an exec we’ve never heard of.

    Cone was great for pitching insight and for honest critique. Like Jim Kaat.

    I just can’t believe YES let it happen again.

    Just another case of YES being totally out of touch with its audience.

  49. Doreen January 27th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    @Nick in SF -

    I tend to not pay a lot of attention to other teams. :oops:

  50. Drive 4- 5 January 27th, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    “What part of this is hard to understand?”

    That would be the part that you conveniently forgot. In your scenario no one replaces Matsui’s 90 rbi.

    In reality, Granderson’s power replaces Matsui and Nick Johnson attempts to replace Damon in the 2 spot in the lineup.

    Winn is insurance in case Gardner cant cut it and replaces Melky.

  51. whatever January 27th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    Ken Rosenthal is such an idiot! He just heavily criticized the Yankees for having a weak bench on MLBTV.. when have the Yankees ever gone into a season over the past 5 years with a strong bench? LAST YEAR the bench was weak going into the season also..

    Anyone who follows the Yanks knows Cashman molds and changes the bench over a long season.. DOESNT ROSENTHAL know anything?

  52. ArtieA January 27th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    Chad-

    A very good post..thanks. I agree after digesting all these comments, Winn should provide good D in left which immediately will payoff. I like the concept put forth here that Winn could also bat second on certain days. He’s good DH insurance if Nick goes down on the DL which history suggests he likely will. Overall I’m okay , the lineup is strong, pitching is better. I’m glad this saga is over with.

  53. haiku-man January 27th, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    One sentence could have ended things before it got to this messy ending.

    “Boras I’ll try it your way, but no matter what I stay with the Yankee.”

  54. Warren January 27th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    New Baseball season, a new 162 game schedule, changed rosters to deal with and who knows how the weather will be.

    Yup, if we only had Damon the 2010 season is guaranteed.

  55. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Chip, it’s what I’ve been saying all along. Yankee fans (and the media) praise the Sox to high heaven for placing a value on a player and sticking to it (though maybe there would have been room for negotiating had Boras and Damon shown ANY inclination to do so), but those same fans and media kill the Yankees when they do the same. Oh well – Rosenthal is just a mediot.

  56. whatever January 27th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Heyman calls teh Yankees signing of Winn “unacceptab;e”

  57. S.o.S. January 27th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    If winn cant cut it he will be cut. If he reverts back to the decent numbers he put up prior to last year. We got another Swish 09 for 10. That i believe is called a WINN WINN situation.

    Keep in mind he played in a pitcher friendly ball park and in a sorry lineup. With Jeter batting after him, im sure he’ll get better pitches to hit than a lets say Rich Arillia.

  58. Drive 4- 5 January 27th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    I can’t stand Rosenthal, but as of today, this is a thin bench. Much weaker than the one we had in November. But in this economy there will be bargains to be had as the season progresses. As I said before, the team that opens in Boston won’t be the one we close with in Boston. Changes will occur.

  59. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman

    Quote:
    Winn- Lose for Yankees. New budgetary constraints cost Bronx Bombers Damon.

  60. whatever January 27th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    i am so embarassed of being a yankees fan today

    i was so proud last year, but i see cashman and hal steinbrenner have reverted right back to the 02-08 yankee days.

  61. m1kew January 27th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    It’s time to move on. This is the team we start with. I think the 40 man roster is complete at the moment but it would not surprise me to see changes. As you look at the roster which 25 guys do you see going north? I think Pena sticks. Does Russo make the team? What about Hoffmann? Logan or Melancon? Do we really need both Mitre and Gaudin? Could Sanchez surprise and stick?

    One thing is certain though, Crawford must be wearing a big smile after this.

  62. Ham Fighters January 27th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    i was against bringing him back on baseball and money grounds, but as a person, damon couldnt have been a better yankee. great guy always gave his all, he earned every cent he got from the yankees and then some. johnny’s presence on this team is going to be missed, and i wish him well against everyone but the yankees.

    and i also wanted to say im sorry to erica and the other who were hoping against hope that thier boy would be coming back. your loyalty to such a great ballplayer was very nice to see. in the past few years i’ve had to say goodbye to my personal favorites, first bernie then matsui, so i know its hard but thats baseball…

  63. Terry January 27th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    The loss of Johnny Damon is huge! Johnny’s numbers aren’t going to fall off a cliff in 2010!!! He’s going to have similar numbers because he works hard in the winter to maintain his majestic production. Oh this is not good. Damon will always Winn.

  64. Doreen January 27th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    No. Boras’ strategy, and Damon’s desire to get the biggest buck, cost Damon the Yankees.

  65. GrouchoNYY January 27th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    It appears that Washington is looking to move Josh Willingham and are considering a few offers. I wonder if the Yankees are one of the interested teams.

  66. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    Unacceptable? To who? LOL Heyman’s a loser

  67. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    Drive 4- 5
    January 27th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
    “What part of this is hard to understand?”

    That would be the part that you conveniently forgot. In your scenario no one replaces Matsui’s 90 rbi.

    In reality, Granderson’s power replaces Matsui and Nick Johnson attempts to replace Damon in the 2 spot in the lineup.

    Winn is insurance in case Gardner cant cut it and replaces Melky.

    ————————————————————

    When adding in another 5-8 weeks of Alex Rodriguez (his 5 weeks on the DL plus the extra 3 weeks it took him to get in shape) and the extra nearly 4 weeks of Posada will more than cover any offensive difference there might be…even given a slight down-turn by Swisher and Jeter. The added defense and rotation help will more than cover anything that Boston and other teams have done.

  68. S.o.S. January 27th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    One more thing.
    Why does everyone keep saying he’s a 4th outfielder but Gardner isnt? The man has hit over .300 3 of the past 5 seasons. Gardner only hit .300 once in the minors. Gardner better make himself real confortable on the bench. While putting some foot warmers on ready for the pinch run call.

  69. NYY626 January 27th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....more-23035

    Erica, not sure if this will make you even sadder, but RAB has a whole bunch of Johnny pics up :(

  70. m1kew January 27th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    “Budgetary restraints” didn’t cost the Yankees Damon, Boras misjudged the market. Or maybe one of the mystery teams will sign Damon for the kind of contract Boras told him ot expect.

  71. vey January 27th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Whatever

    Why would Alex need to offer anything, when Damon turned down a fair market offer of 2/14? This is on the Damon/Boras greed and stupidity!! Last year Damon didn’t cough up a pnny to keep Abreu.

  72. mick January 27th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    One sentence could have ended things before it got to this messy ending.

    “Boras I’ll try it your way, but no matter what I stay with the Yankee.”
    ——————————————————-
    No player thinks that way. If they did payrolls would be 1/2 of what they are. They misjudged the market if they turned down 2/14m and will now settle for less.

    Betsy, Heyman is a Borat mouthpiece.

  73. Josh January 27th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    I’m always happy when Cashman makes Boras look like an idiot. Damon made it very clear that he wanted to return to NY, and the Yanks offered what is now seen as a fairly generous offer in this years market, but Boras thought he could strongarm Cashman into spending unnecessarily on an aging (yet still relatively effective) outfielder. Now Damon’s going to end up with a club he’d rather not be with, making what could be considerably less than what the Yanks offered. Nice, Boras. Way to represent your clients.

  74. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    Mick, of course; I’m sure he’s wearing black today and sitting shivah tomorrow.

  75. Ham Fighters January 27th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    this whatever guy never ceases to make himself look foolish. signing an aging, downsliding damon to a huge money contract that he would never live up to and that would clog a roster spot is what the yankees did from 02-08. what they did today is exactly the opposite.

  76. Terry January 27th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    The loss of Damon:

    1. A loose, fun loving veteran that relaxed the clubhouse members to have fun.

    2. A leader at the plate. He was fun loving, but worked hard, and provided leadership at the plate.

    3. Clutch performer. Able to steal when needed. Able to get that big hit when the chips were down.

    4. Handled the pressure of NY and the media as a superstar. This intangible can’t be underrated.

    I fear that NJ, CG, RW, JV will not be able to help in this department as they try to prove themselves in the cauldron of NYC. Damon earned his pedigree in hades aka Boston.

  77. sean January 27th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    Jeter
    Johnson
    Tex
    A Rod
    Posada
    Grandy
    Cano
    Swish
    Gardener/Winn

    Sounds like a sick lineup to me with DOPE OF defense and beautiful versatility to give guys a rest, or god forbid, injury.

    This lineup is still capable of producing 900+ runs, adding Damon gives us maybe 50+ (if you consider the runs he will cost on defense)

    I loved Johnny but, Boras screwed him out of a job with the Champs

  78. JCPD..... Long time reader, few times poster January 27th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    So Heyman and Rosenthal are criticizing the Yankees because of their “budget” Hmmm, hasn’t the media all along criticized them for the ungodly amount of money they spend. Make up your minds, you can’t play both sides of the coin.

  79. ---.---.--- January 27th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    Whatever = Erica agai,n one player doesn’t make a team!

  80. Ham Fighters January 27th, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    terry is right, thats what damon DID. but moving forward, he was not going to continue doing those things as his legs are shot, he no longer has any speed and is a defensive liability

  81. mick January 27th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    How do we know Borat/Damon weren’t asking 2/20m?
    If this were the case would you bring him back?
    People assume too much.

  82. DaSaint007 January 27th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    There is still one more move to make before ST.

    C

  83. Drive 4- 5 January 27th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    You have to wonder how ticket sales are impacting the Yankees decision making these days. Gone are the days of regular crowds of 52,000 – 54,000. The new Stadium hold about 10% less. The debacle that is the moat has come back to bite them too. And it’s not just the Premium seats that they are discounting this year.

    According to an e-mail the Yankees sent ticketholders:” At a new lower price, a limited number of Field level seats between the bases and Yankees Premium Offerings are still available for Upgrade.”

  84. DaSaint007 January 27th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    There is still one more move to make before ST.

    Cashman isn’t done yet.

  85. Pat M. January 27th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    GB, Do remember that the club has lost it’s # 2, # 5 and their # 8 hitter….That’s a 33 % turn over to the lineup….I thought going into the Hot Stove season that the club would have 4 maybe 5 new players on the 25, but not the lineup…….I’m trying to think of when there was such a turn over by a World Series ballclub….I remember when George went crazy after the loss to the Dodgers in 81 and fipped half the roster…..They’re still the team to beat, but they are still a team that will need tinkering as the season goes along…..

  86. mick January 27th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Betsy, Why? Does he get a percentage of Borat’s deals? He gets his salary from him either way. J/K, glad to see you’re back.

  87. DaSaint007 January 27th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    Let Damon sign with the Rays. Maybe he’ll get some playing time in LF starting around the trade deadline.
    ;-)

  88. S.o.S. January 27th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    I wonder if Damon didnt have that grinding at bat and the double steal in the W.S., if people would be this upset? He was signed as a center fielder and got beat out by an average player from the minor leagues. How many singles turned into doubles when he was out there? How many lef injuries did he have the past 2 years? We milked him to the last drop. Time to bring in more cows.

  89. whatever January 27th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    “You have to wonder how ticket sales are impacting the Yankees decision making these days. Gone are the days of regular crowds of 52,000 – 54,000. The new Stadium hold about 10% less. The debacle that is the moat has come back to bite them too. And it’s not just the Premium seats that they are discounting this year. ”

    WHAT.. 12 dollars for a 4 inch hot dog and 8 dollars for a coke didn’t make up for that?

  90. ko January 27th, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    Its too bad the Yankees have to resort to bottom feeding. But that’s what happens when management has to shoot their whole wad (420 million) just to get competitive. Now there’s no money to keep the team afloat. I see a steady descent until the next spending spree. Too bad the Yankees can’t find a competent GM to keep them on top without breaking the bank every couple of years. Damon will be missed. Wang should have gotten a contract offer. I’m annoyed that the same GM who keeps pleading poverty is the one who got us impoverished in the first place.

  91. whatever January 27th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    im not buying tickets next year to see randy winn, ill tell you that right now

    i did however buy tickets to see my fav player, johnny damon

    you blew it, hal

  92. mick January 27th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Borat was prob. pitching that Johnny won the series for us.
    Pitching is the key. Without it Johnny gets no ring here, not the other way around.

  93. S.o.S. January 27th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    So Heyman and Rosenthal are criticizing the Yankees because of their “budget”

    =======

    Its funny how they never bang on the cheapskates that continue to let their best players walk i.e. Twins, Pirates, Marlins. Hell even Boston is cheap when it comes to resigning their own. Double standard i tell ya.

  94. Frank January 27th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    “Its too bad the Yankees have to resort to bottom feeding. But that’s what happens when management has to shoot their whole wad (420 million) just to get competitive”

    Get competitive??? Seriously?

  95. mick January 27th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    Its funny how they never bang on the cheapskates that continue to let their best players walk i.e. Twins, Pirates, Marlins. Hell even Boston is cheap when it comes to resigning their own. Double standard i tell ya.
    ——————
    That’s entertainment. To most we are The Evil Empire.

  96. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    NYY626
    January 27th, 2010 at 7:23 pm
    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/…..more-23035

    Erica, not sure if this will make you even sadder, but RAB has a whole bunch of Johnny pics up
    *****************

    Thank you for sharing that :cry:

    Good-bye Johnny. I’ll miss you so

  97. Terry January 27th, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    Wait till Johnny hits the game winning homer off of Javy Vasquez in the top of the ninth at the stadium. Hmm, I wonder if Randy Winn will counter? lol.

  98. DaSaint007 January 27th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    Chad,

    You should still repost your analysis of Damon’s potential landing spots.

  99. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    Pat M.
    January 27th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
    GB, Do remember that the club has lost it’s # 2, # 5 and their # 8 hitter….That’s a 33 % turn over to the lineup….I thought going into the Hot Stove season that the club would have 4 maybe 5 new players on the 25, but not the lineup…….I’m trying to think of when there was such a turn over by a World Series ballclub….I remember when George went crazy after the loss to the Dodgers in 81 and fipped half the roster…..They’re still the team to beat, but they are still a team that will need tinkering as the season goes along…..

    ————————————————————

    I know that they lost a lot, but, they gained quite a bit back. I think you’ll see some players reshifted in the line-up. They might not always be able to alternate right and left handed hitters with switch hitters added in.

    Perhaps the clubhouse dynamic may change but, by how much, I can’t say. They added at least two classy guys and Johnson isn’t a problem child. As much as I like Cabrera, breaking him and Cano up might be the best thing to bring out the real Cano. not blaming it all on Cabrera, but, together, they may have not been the best of influences. Much like Mantle, Ford and Martin.

  100. Drive 4- 5 January 27th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    A pitching staff that includes CC, Burnett, Pettitte, Vasquez, Mo, Joba, Hughes and a lineup that still includes Jeter, Tex, A Rod, Posada and Granderson is pretty darn good. It’s safe to say we’ll be a little more than just competitive lol.

  101. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    —.—.—
    January 27th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
    Whatever = Erica agai,n one player doesn’t make a team!

    **************

    Dude, that is not me. I sign my name to my posts.

    And I would really appreciate if you would PLEASE leave me alone

  102. whatever January 27th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    this is the most embarassing signing since tony womack

  103. Terry January 27th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    When Damon, and Matsui produce as usual and the “budget minded” cry havoc, then we shall know the true meaning of penny pinching.

  104. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    There was a huge club turnover in the 2003-2004 teams.

  105. Terry January 27th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    A budget in NYC? That is laughable. Spend spend spend, aren’t NYer’s all Keynsians? Where’s the beer?

  106. whatever January 27th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    what is winn’s ethnicity?

  107. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) January 27th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Hell Hath No Fury…

  108. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
    January 27th, 2010 at 7:44 pm
    Hell Hath No Fury…

    ************

    Like a pretend woman scorned?????????

  109. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) January 27th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    Ha!
    pretend scorn!

  110. DT - OPPC member January 27th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    First off – my condolences to Erica. The pain you must feel isn’t pretend.

    Second – best of luck where ever you go Johnny Damon. You won a championship with the Yankees and no one can ever take that away.

    I’ll miss Johnny Damon the hitter, the fun loving guy in the clubhouse and dugout, the guy who always had a quote for the reporters – but I won’t miss him defensively in left field.

    Seriously, it was like watching your kid in a little league game when he was out there. Please catch it, catch it little Johnny, oh no he’s gonna drop it – I don’t want to look – HURRAH, he caught it! ;-)

  111. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! January 27th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    DT – OPPC member
    January 27th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
    First off – my condolences to Erica. The pain you must feel isn’t pretend.

    *************

    I need to let it all sink in. I haven’t been able to fully process all of my emotions today.

    I am not having a very good week. My pretend relationship with Johnny Damon is really just the tip of the iceberg.

    When I am able to finally relax and gather my thoughts, I will come up with a lovely and touching tribute to the end of the Johnny Damon era

  112. guga January 27th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    Great job by Boras … pricing out another one of his clients. Good bye Johnny we’ll miss you.
    Have fun in Oaktown.

  113. Bob Michaels January 27th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    The current Yankee outfield as assembled by Cashman is strikeout prone. It`s offensive, with limited offense.

  114. S.o.S. January 27th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Seriously, it was like watching your kid in a little league game when he was out there. Please catch it, catch it little Johnny, oh no he’s gonna drop it – I don’t want to look – HURRAH, he caught it!

    =========

    DT,
    The only difference was in little league little Johnny played right field for the team(the least hit area). And you did the Bad News Bears and had the center fielder cover for him.

  115. DaSaint007 January 27th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    My condolences to you Erica. It’s a sad day in your heart, of that I’m sure.

    But the team lives on. Keep the faith!

  116. DT - OPPC member January 27th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    lol S.o.S. – yeah there was a Bad News Bears quality out there….I knew I should have used up all my ice skate jokes in 2009.

    between fly balls to Damon, and pop-ups to A-Rod nothing felt safe. It was like the feeling you get when Rivera comes into a game – except the opposite direction – more like dire panic.

  117. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 27th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    “Heyman calls teh Yankees signing of Winn “unacceptable”
    ———————————————————

    maybe i will warm up to the Winn signing then.

    to me, i find looking at Jon Heyman’s mug on the MLB network everyday, UNACCEPTABLE

  118. DaSaint007 January 27th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Holliday stayed where he was expected to.
    Bay went where he really didn’t seem to want to go. Should have stayed in boston.
    Damon and his agent misread Cashman.

    Frankly, if I were Johnny, I’d try to return to boston. Maybe then Theo could package Elisbury and others for Cabrera or Gonzalez.

  119. Managing the Yankees January 27th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Winn is a good pick-up for 2010. This is an indication that the Yankees are serious in spending on the 2010 free agent class where the Yanks can get guys like Crawford, Werth and Cliff Lee.

  120. vinny-b (NJ and Granderson - thank you Cashman!) January 27th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    “what is winn’s ethnicity?”
    ——————————–

    don’t know. But i once knew a mormon girl, with the last name Winn

  121. NYY626 January 27th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    Anyone else think Boras is insane?? Via twitter:

    TylerKepner

    Scott Boras: “The Yankees never even made an offer to me regarding Johnny Damon during the entire process

    TylerKepner

    Damon said last month in a text that NYY offered 2 yrs/$14M. Today Boras said it was actually conditional on whether Nick Johnson would sign

  122. Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you) January 27th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    They may start the season with that outfield but they aren’t gonna finish it with that outfield

  123. Nick in SF in Larkspur January 27th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    “Like a pretend woman scorned?????????”

    You were just pretending to be a woman?

    Suddenly those big feet make sense.

    LoHud Crying Game???

  124. bru January 27th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    i think losing matsui will hurt us

    he extended the lineup too make it long
    i like granderson over damon against righties wich is about 70 percent of his ab but i don’t like johnson over matsui

    granderson over damon because of his defense & he is younger only

    i am also not big on revisiting the vazquez era

  125. Laura - I've got my fingers crossed! January 27th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    I find it very disappointing that the Yankees have decided not to defend their title. How else do you explain these God awful signings (save for Granderson)? I’ve been a Yankee fan for more decades than I care to say, but I can tell you this – when Matsui and Damon return to the stadium and put on an offensive show, I will be cheering.

  126. Pat M. January 27th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    bru, I’m with you on Matsui…Granderson is going to be ligts out and the lefthaded issue will be resolved to a significant degree…..However Mats is going to be hard to replace in the 5 hole, unless Cano grows into his potential…..MLB Network just loves the BoSox farm…..

  127. Nick in SF in Larkspur January 27th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    “I find it very disappointing that the Yankees have decided not to defend their title.”

    Good grief! :roll:

  128. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    “According to Newsday’s Ken Davidoff, the Oakland A’s have offered former Athletic, Johnny Damon, a one-year contract for “about” $7 million.”

    http://www.i-yankees.com/?p=16107

  129. Warren January 27th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late.
    – Branch Rickey

    [Cashman was working off the idea from Mr. Rickey]

  130. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    Mick, thanks! I just needed a break – and to catch up on some sleep. Well, I haven’t caught up on my sleep, but I’ve had enough of a break, esp. since ST starts in a month or so.

  131. Steve January 27th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    I do not understand the Winn signing. This is Tony Womack all over again. When the season ended, I like most people thought that Yanks would choose between Damon and Matsui and not let both go. Boy were we wrong. Other than Granderson we have the worse outfield in the AL East.

    Winn does not really fit this team. He has a low on base percentage. Last season he did not hit lefties. He is suppose to be here because Yanks may want to platoon him and Gardner. H has zero pop in a stadium that is built for the long ball. At best he is a #9 hitter. We lack a legitimate #2 and #5 hitter if Johnson bats in #2 hole.

    I think Yanks played Damon market correctly but I do not understand why they had to rush to get Winn. I bet that they could have gotten Damon for the $7 M in salary that is rumored to be offered to JD from the Rays with some of this deferred. I bet Damon would have signed with Yanks for something like that.

    If we were so intent on not signing Damon then I would have gone after Reed Johnson, Nady, Baldelli before Winn. I just do not get what the Yanks are doing. Our bench looks weak right now and I think our ofense is compromised without MAtsui and Damon. Granderson needs to show us he can get on base, strike out less, and I would prefer to see more doubles and triples from him than hope he can hit 30 + homers. Nick Johnson is a fine hitter but he cannot run and he will clog bases in #2 hole. He is also injury prone.
    I hope we sign Baldelli to a minor league contract. If he can stay healthy, he can help.

    Damon was a solid player and a great clubhouse guy. He was also a guy who performed on the big stage. He will be missed. I could overlook his defensive weaknesses since he compensated for that with clutch hitting. When we let Matsui go I thought we would have signed Damon to be the primary DH and part time OF. The Nick Johnson signing came out of nowhere. Perhaps Cash could have held out to see how market was shaping up before he blocked a Damon return.

    Cash made great moves last season. I like the Granderson move (assuming we can reduce his K’s and he can hit lefties). Vazquez move is fine although I am concerned about him thinking retirement after next season. Johnson is a nice hitter but he needs to stay healthy. I did not like trading both Coke and Bruney. Would have held onto Coke.

    I hope Cash proves me wrong but I think he has weakened offense some.

  132. Tom in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    Winn played college ball with Steve Nash…

  133. whatever January 27th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    the yankees lineup is no longer circular

  134. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    vinny-b (NJ and Granderson – thank you Cashman!)
    January 27th, 2010 at 8:01 pm
    “Heyman calls teh Yankees signing of Winn “unacceptable”
    ———————————————————

    maybe i will warm up to the Winn signing then.

    to me, i find looking at Jon Heyman’s mug on the MLB network everyday, UNACCEPTABLE

    ————————————————————

    ATTROCIOUS??

  135. pat January 27th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    “Matsui and Damon return to the stadium and put on an offensive show, I will be cheering.”

    I appreciate everything both did for the Yankees and will cheer loudly for them when they play anyone except the Yankees.

  136. S.o.S. January 27th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    LoHud Crying Game???

    =======

    LMAO so hard im crying!

    DT,
    All we needed on the team last year was the actor from watchman(center fielder from the original bad news bears) to grab his bike and smokes again and shag all the balls hit in the air to left or third. We would for warn him to expect the silent treatment from those two.

  137. Eric January 27th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    1) i can’t believe the ‘sky is falling’ people here. people are mourning the departure of an aging, slowing, terrible-armed outfielder who overpriced himself? winn is a major upgrade defensively, not to mention faster. for the money, and the hope he improves on his 2009 offensively, winn is a good signing.

    2) like someone said, heyman is a boras mouthpiece, as are others. don’t listen to those clowns. people complaining about the bench have no idea how to build a team. pena, cervelli, miranda, gardner are young players good teams need. that’s how you build future winners, not by rent-a-players year-by-year.

  138. S.o.S. January 27th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    I dont know what Winn ethneticity is, but i did stay at a holliday inn and caught scabies once.

  139. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    The Yankees gave Johnny Damon every chance to re-sign with them. They let Matsui walk away because Damon was their primary target. They were not going to give him 2 years and $26 mil and Damon wasn’t going to take less than that so they moved on.

    The guys in the media who are critical of this move (namely Heyman and Rosenthal) are branding it this way:

    Randy Winn is not an upgrade over Johnny Damon.

    Offensively that’s true, defensively it isn’t. And the Yankees don’t need Winn to take Damon’s spot in the lineup, he’s going to take Melky Cabrera’s spot in the lineup.

    The Sox downgrade offensively from Jason Bay and Mike Lowell to Mike Cameron and Adrian Beltre and all we hear about is how they’re being revolutionary in the fact that they’re focusing on run prevention – Yankees manage to upgrade both their lineup and their defense and they’re being cheap for not signing Damon? I don’t get it.

    For the same 7 mil that the Yankees were originally willing to commit to Damon the Yankees instead added Nick Johnson and Randy Winn.

    This is probably the last move the Yankees make before spring training and if so let’s look at what they’ve gained and lost:

    Players subtracted:
    Melky, Damon, Matsui, Coke, Hinske, Hairston, Molina

    Players added:
    Johnson, Winn, Vazquez, Granderson, Logan

    That’s a win to me folks.

    This spring there will be the following competitions:

    Winn vs. Gardner for LF
    Hughes vs. Joba for the 5th starter spot.
    Hoffmann vs. Winfree vs. Golson for bench spot
    Pena vs. Russo vs. Corona for bench spot
    Logan vs. Melancon vs. Edwar vs. Albaladejo vs. Mitre vs. Romulo Sanchez for the last spot in the pen.
    Probable 25 man roster:

    Jeter – SS
    Johnson – DH
    Tex – 1b
    Alex – 3b
    Granderson – CF
    Posada – C
    Cano – 2b
    Swisher – RF
    Winn – LF

    Bench – Gardner, Hoffmann, Pena, Cervelli

    Rotation
    CC
    AJ
    Andy
    Javy
    Hughes

    Pen
    RHP: Mo, Joba, Gaudin, Aceves, Robertson
    LHP: Marte, Logan

  140. Tom in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    The 40 man roster is now set, right? I think that there were 2 spots open before the Golson trade and Winn signing.
    This is the team the Yankees are going into spring with..

  141. Noreaster January 27th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    “the yankees lineup is no longer circular”

    The Yankees have the top offense in baseball, period. This team will win over 105 games this season.

    Relax everybody and get something to occupy yourselves until spring training, this team will cruise to the ALEast crown again.

    Cashman will add a bench bat after the allstar break. Why pay a full season for something that won’t be needed until the post season?

  142. gayle January 27th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    Now this is getting ugly which is a shame. Tyler Kepner twittered within the past hour that Boras texted him that the Yankees never made an offer and Bob Klapish just twittered

    BobKlap

    Cashman responds to Boras: “On Dec 17, we were told not to make an offer for a penny less than $13 million a year for two years.” 1 minute ago from TweetDeck Retweeted by you and 1 other

  143. cliff January 27th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    last year the yankees went into the season with brett gardner as a starting outfielder and they will again this year, quit crying everyone

  144. Noreaster January 27th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    Nice summary Chip!

  145. Frank January 27th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    “Yankees manage to upgrade both their lineup and their defense and they’re being cheap for not signing Damon? I don’t get it.”

    They haven’t upgraded their offense, but I otherwise agree.

  146. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    Cheering for opposing players to hurt the Yankees? Interesting

  147. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    Laura –

    Did you really say that the Yankees have chosen not to defend their title?

    The 2010 Yankees will be a better defensive team and just as good offensively as the 2009 version. Plus they have a better rotation. That sure sounds like title defense to me.

  148. S.o.S. January 27th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    Damn!! I just realized something. Now that this signing was made, we no longer have Damon to talk about every freakin day. What now?

    Out went Melky vs. Gardner debates. Hmmm?
    In comes Winn vs. Gardner? How much life can this debate have?

  149. Bob Michaels January 27th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Montero has to learn to play the outfield, so does Juan Miranda

  150. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Gayle, I don’t think this has anything to do with Damon, whom I’m sure the Yankees love. It sounds like Cash and Boras are going toe to toe (yay, Cash), but it’s nothing personal and they will do business together again in the not too distant future

  151. whatever January 27th, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    so what if the yankees were told not to offer last than 13.. does that mean you stop offering? OFFER ANYWAY CASHMAN!! you blew it.

  152. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    Noreaster – Thanks

    Frank – maybe not upgraded, but at least held it where it was.

    Johnson will be very good in the 2 spot replacing Damon
    Granderson could possibly hit 35 HR playing his homegames in NY vs. Detroit
    Winn is at least as good as Melky in the 9 spot.

  153. S.o.S. January 27th, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    Theres only one way Boras can get black balled in baseball. Have the Yankees come out in public and state that they will not deal with any free agent player thats using Boras as the agent. GAME OVER.. Players need the Yanks to be involved in the bidding or at least look like they are. No Yankees. Not as much money. He screwed up the Alex negotiations and now this.

  154. george January 27th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    “It’s hard to tell how much of the negative reaction to today’s signing is a legitimate dislike of Randy Winn, and how much is legitimate disappointment at not bringing back Johnny Damon.”

    it’s easy. if the goal is to win – as it used to be under George Steinbrenner – signing Randy Winn when Johnny Damon is available is stupid.

    Especially when the amounts involved are marginal, and when the Yankees charge so much for tickets.

    anyone who’s not mad is nuts.

  155. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    More from Klapisch:

    More Cashman: “Boras told me I wouldn’t find a No. 2 hitter for less than $13 million. I found one for half that (Nick Johnson).”

  156. pat January 27th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    To add to what gayle posted

    More Cashman: “Boras told me I wouldn’t find a No. 2 hitter for less than $13 million. I found one for half that (Nick Johnson).” 5 minutes ago from TweetDeck

  157. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    S.o.S.

    Don’t forget – who should go to the pen Joba or Hughes?

    Whatever –

    Cashman blew nothing, relax.

  158. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    SOS, that would be dumb on the Yankees part as Boras represents many players and some of the best. Cash and Boras will get over this the way they got over the Alex opt out (and for Cash, that was much, much, much worse).

  159. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 27th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    LOL Cash….zing

  160. Frank January 27th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    “Frank – maybe not upgraded, but at least held it where it was.”

    Yeah Chip, I think that’s about right. Lot less pop in the 2 and 9 spots IMO, but this remains a formidable lineup.

  161. george January 27th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    “Boras told me I wouldn’t find a No. 2 hitter for less than $13 million. I found one for half that (Nick Johnson).”

    And Nick Johnson will play for about half a season before the poor guy breaks something.

  162. Noreaster January 27th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    Frank and Chip. This much we know about the offense, it will be improved from slugging and on base percentage. Those two stats are the most important stats for making the post season. Last year, the top 6 teams in OBP made the playoffs with St.Louis and Philadelphia (great slugging team) also joining the party.

    I’m not sure what the postseason will bring, Johnny and Matsui we obviously great this year, but it should be a party for the Yankees the entire regular season.

  163. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    pat
    January 27th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
    To add to what gayle posted

    More Cashman: “Boras told me I wouldn’t find a No. 2 hitter for less than $13 million. I found one for half that (Nick Johnson).” 5 minutes ago from TweetDeck

    ————————————————————

    Boras got caught with his pants down and now he’s looking for a fig leaf. He’d better be careful, because he may end up alienating another big market franchise.

  164. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    Especially when the amounts involved are marginal, and when the Yankees charge so much for tickets.

    Really, are you suggesting that the New York Yankees are cheap? Really?

    Again, the Yankees are an improved defensive team with Winn in LF instead of Damon and their offense is right where it was last year.

  165. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    (from previous thread – I didn’t see that another had been started and I just got in)

    Wow, go the mall and see what happens! 500 is far too many posts to wade through. My guess is there are some saying this stinks and some saying it’s fine – and some in the middle.

    For those of you who think Randy Winn is a bum and this is a lousy signing – well then you can see what the Yankees thought of Johnny Damon and the need to keep him on the team.

    Me, I’m happy as a clam because I seriously didn’t believe the Yankees needed Damon back and I wanted him far away from the Bronx.

    From my perspective – YOU ROCK YANKEES!!!

    Now somebody else can deal with the noodle arm, the slowed-down steps in the outfield, and the player who needs to be rested in order to be played. That would be Johnny Damon.

    Yeah, Boras did him in. But he didn’t necessarily fight it, so it seems. Good bye and good luck Johnny. Take your mercenary grittiness somewhere else. After all, I’m sure that Boras has you convinced that at least ten other teams are salivating to get your broken down 37 year old body.

    The Yankees won in this lottery. You had the chance to be back with the best team in baseball and to prove your worth if it is still there – despite the fact that you had to be sat during the season in order to keep what is left of your legs fresh.

    Too bad you have to leave a bad taste in the mouths of at least some of the fans. I guess you’re a good teammate when you’re getting your way.

  166. Rick January 27th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    Is Damon a difference maker ? Absolutely not and neither is Randy Winn. Winn can run and play all 3 OF position if called upon to do so. Damon can’t do any of them.
    Winn is not expected to carry the team, just share some LF time with Brett Gardner and likely hit 9th in the order or wherever Girardi sees him to be the best fit. Clearly better and more experienced than the likes of Winfree, Golston, Weber, or Gorecki.
    If Damon insisted on listening to the advice of Boras, then who’s the fool ?

  167. Terry January 27th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    This offseason has provided the birth of future unclutch offensive performances: game ending strike outs (Winn) game ending strikeouts (Granderson). The end of clutch.

  168. whatever January 27th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Nick Johnson is half the player Johnny Damon is, CASHMAN.

  169. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    “More Cashman: ‘Boras told me I wouldn’t find a No. 2 hitter for less than $13 million. I found one for half that (Nick Johnson).’”

    :D :D :D

    Boras is a total tool. I am so loving this, from every possible angle.

  170. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    “Especially when the amounts involved are marginal, and when the Yankees charge so much for tickets.”

    ————————–

    I do not know how many times it has to be said, but payroll has absolutely no impact on ticket prices.

    The Yankees could reduce their payroll by 100 million and they would still charge the same for tickets because people in the NY area are willing to pay that much to watch them play.

  171. Frank January 27th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Little surprised to see Cashman respond to Boras.

  172. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Betsy – Romine wasn’t built in a day
    January 27th, 2010 at 8:37 pm
    SOS, that would be dumb on the Yankees part as Boras represents many players and some of the best. Cash and Boras will get over this the way they got over the Alex opt out (and for Cash, that was much, much, much worse).

    ————————————————————

    The major difference was that Rodriguez went through a mutal friend in Warren Buffett to get to the steinbrenners and pretty much bypassed Cashman.

  173. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Gardner will start anyway, play everyday, and put up a .770 OPS while playing great defense, thereby mooting this signing.

  174. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    ***mutual*** friend in Warren

  175. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    “The major difference was that Rodriguez went through a mutal friend in Warren Buffett to get to the steinbrenners and pretty much bypassed Cashman.”

    Actually, the conduit was the ubiquitous Goldman Sachs.

  176. whatever January 27th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Cashman didn’t seem all that upset last year when he was shelling out 185 million for Mark Teixieria and Scott Boras was his agent then…

  177. Bronx Jeers January 27th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    The Bad: Again, last season was awful. He hit .292 as a lefty, but put up a .158/.184/.200 line as a right-handed batter. Cody Ransom hit better against lefties than Winn did.

    ————————————————————————

    Oh that’s interesting.

    Didn’t Cash say he was looking for a righty bat hence the possible interest in Nady, Reed Johnson, Thames etc.

    .158/.184/.200 ?

    Let’s Roll!

  178. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Rich in NJ
    January 27th, 2010 at 8:46 pm
    “The major difference was that Rodriguez went through a mutal friend in Warren Buffett to get to the steinbrenners and pretty much bypassed Cashman.”

    Actually, the conduit was the ubiquitous Goldman Sachs.

    ————————————————————

    Actually, he started with Buffett.

  179. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    “Cashman didn’t seem all that upset last year when he was shelling out 185 million for Mark Teixieria and Scott Boras was his agent then…”

    It’s all business. It’s not personal.

  180. RS January 27th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    Does anyone know if Montero was mentioned yet on MLB network?

  181. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    “Actually, he started with Buffett.”

    He consulted with Buffett, but Goldman Sachs was the mutual conduit.

  182. whatever January 27th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    http://www.myyesnetwork.com/go....._the_least

  183. Abe Peterham January 27th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Gettin Winn for 2m
    is like throwing your last 2 casino chips in your pocket on roulette table trying to hit a # as you stumble to your room… A waste of time…

  184. Bronx Born January 27th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    What it comes down to is that Boras/Damon refused the Yankee offer. In this market it was a good offer. End of story. You cannot be upset with Cash, he made the offer they refused it. Twas time to move on. How is that a bad move by our GM?

  185. vinny-b January 27th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    “Cashman responds to Boras: “On Dec 17, we were told not to make an offer for a penny less than $13 million a year for two years.” 1 minute ago from Tweeter”
    —————————————————–

    for the record, i believe Cashman

  186. SJ44 January 27th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Waiting to see which crybaby calls the season over today. That will break their old record of declaring the season over on Opening Day.

    Whatever, you may be the dumbest person on this blog and that’s saying something.

    It’s amazing how one person can post so many dumb things.

    Third grade isn’t what it used be.

  187. RalphieD (OPPC) January 27th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    “Does anyone know if Montero was mentioned yet on MLB network?”

    apparently this list is a joke because he was at 19 and they didnt even say anything about him other than his name

  188. David in Cal January 27th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    Winn is a lot like Hoffman. Good speed, good fielder, little power, probably can’t hit major league pitching. The Yanks don’t need both of these guys. In fact, they will only need one of them if there’s an injury to an outfielder, to Nick Johnson, or to Teix (Heaven Forbid!) In short, it looks like a waste of $2 million and a roster spot.

  189. Terry January 27th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    This is a good description of Johnny. He was worth every last drop and is worth resting because he is a clutch baseball god. Penny pinching is the devil when a true winner is not brought back on board. Oh the pain:

    A .285-.363-.458 hitter with the Yanks, Damon hit more homers in pinstripes than with any other team he’s played for, and of course he was an important part of last year’s World Championship. His nine pitch at-bat against Brad Lidge in the 9th inning of Game 4 of the World Series was one of the greatest at-bats in recent Yankee history, and his double steal one pitch after that was perhaps the biggest moment of the postseason. Damon was tremendously productive with the Yanks, and he was integral in changing the culture from uptight and corporate to fun-loving.

    http://www.riveravenueblues.com/

  190. gayle January 27th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    RS-

    I don’t think they have mentioned Montero yet. FWIW Jackson (Austin)was #38

  191. Cliff January 27th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    It’s a 4th outfielder, calm down people.

  192. Tarheelyank January 27th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    Good luck Johnny. Thanks.

    Stay out of the AL East please!

  193. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    So, now, it’s ok to judge a player on one freak set of numbers? He’s a career .280 hitter against lefties. Which presents a better idea of what to expect? I seriously doubt that he remains 120 points under his career mark.

  194. RalphieD (OPPC) January 27th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    “I don’t think they have mentioned Montero yet. FWIW Jackson (Austin)was #38″

    montero was number 19

  195. Pat M. January 27th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Tricia is back and speaking her mind without any reservations….It was time to move on without Johnny Damon, although one year was fine in my opinion…Now Matsui is another issue though……Rich in NJ, just loves Brett Gardner….I hope he’s right, although I think Winn is here to start in left….If not Winn covers the entire outfield…..

  196. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    “So, now, it’s ok to judge a player on one freak set of numbers?”

    The most recent stats by a marginal 35 year old are not necessarily a “freak set.”

  197. Mike S. January 27th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    I’d have loved to see JD back. But…

    Hal is not his father.

    Maybe people will believe that there actually IS a budget.

    Or that what Cashman was saying for the last couple of weeks WAS the truth.

  198. Alan January 27th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    For obvious reasons, Damon will get rousing cheers from the fickle fans at the Green Sardine Can.
    How nice !

  199. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    Pat M

    “……Rich in NJ, just loves Brett Gardner….”

    Yet I still preferred Damon, so I am only sipping the Gardner Kook-Aid rather than chugging it. ;)

  200. Joe from Long Island January 27th, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    Got home late from work. Usually, I’m disappointed that I can no longer get the blog at work.

    Not today. Just reading the comments from this post by Chad – it’s been vicious here today. Lot’s of emotion.

    I think it’s important to remember that Cash does not make these decisions in isolation. I think that Cash has leaned heavily on Billy Eppler and the pro scouting dept. in deciding on Granderson, Johnson, Vazquez, which of his own players to deal, and now signing Winn over the alternatives.

    As far as Johnny Damon goes – the Yankees have proven, over the years, that money is no object for a player they want. To me, this shows that Cash did not feel that Damon, based on the input from their own scouts and coaches, was worth the added money it would take.

    And, down the road, when the Yanks acquire Carl Crawford, Jayson Werth, or whomever it is, made possible by the flexibility afforded by this one-year deal for Randy Winn, all this agita will be forgotten.

  201. pat January 27th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    GB

    The only difference between yesterday and today is the rest of the world knows what Brian, Scott and Johnny have already known for weeks.

    Cashman seems to turn the page pretty well. If they have interest in a future Boras client, Cash will pick up the phone.

  202. ortforshort January 27th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Jeter, Johnson (not nearly as good as Damon, can’t run), Teixiera, A-Rod, Granderson (can’t hit lefities, a liability who offers no protection to A-Rod or Teixiera late in close games), Posada, Cano, Swisher (can’t hit breaking pitches), Winn or Gardner. I’m sorry this lineup is significantly weaker than last year’s. We’re going to lose a lot of close games with Granderson, Swisher and Winn/Gardner as automatic outs late in the game. Plus Cano has a problem hitting in the clutch (you could look it up). I’d be much happier with a baseball man than an accountant running the show.

  203. whatever January 27th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Cashman never should have made the Granderson trade.

    If I WAS GM… Damon would have been re-signed 2 years, 14 million to DH… Austin Jackson would be the starting leftfielder next year..We would still have our dominant lefty COKE.. we should have signed Ben Sheets, not traded Melky for Vazquez..and Melky and Gardner could platoon in center or whatever.

    I really hate what Cashman has done, and all the pride I had in this team last season has now turned into an embarrassment.

  204. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    I do not understand while people think Boras screwed up the A-rod thing. Lets take this step by step…

    1. Boras advises Alex to opt-out, because he predicts Alex will get a more lucrative contract for at least 10 years.

    2. Alex is now “supposedly” mad at Boras and “crawls back” to the Yankees w/o Boras in tow

    3. Alex proceeds to sign a 10 year, $300 million contract (sounds familiar to Boras prediction…)

    4. Alex writes Scotty a nice fat check and says thank you for your services

    5. “Suddenly” Alex and Scott are all buddy-buddy again, even though “supposedly” Boras screwed up.

  205. bg90027 January 27th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    I’m a little suprised that anyone who cared enough about baseball to be a regular poster on a NYY blog wouldn’t know who Randy Winn is. He’s not a star but he’s a veteran player who has been a regular for most of his career and has played a lot of games against NY for TB and Seattle. He’s also been someone who both the Yankees and Mets have been interested in to varying degrees in the past.

    Chad’s right. If he bounces back, this is a good pickup. If not, he didn’t cost much. At a minimum, he’s a very good defensive OF’er. They’ve essentially filled the role Melky would have played for less than Melky will make this year.

    The only reason to be disappointed is if you really thought there was a possibility that Damon would be coming back. I still thought he might — not because I didn’t believe the budget but because I didn’t see a lot of options for him. When Ankiel and Nady signed $3MM+ deals, I thought Cashman/H. Steinbrenner might decide Damon at $5MM was a significantly better signing than someone like Reed Johnson for $3-4MM. To me, the Winn signing says they really just weren’t interested in Damon as an OFer at any price and that’s why talks ended after Nick Johnson signed.

    Will still be interesting to see where Damon ends up. It would not surprise me at all if he ended up retiring if his best option is less than $5MM/year for a non contender.

  206. Tom in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    Johnson, Granderson, Winn and Vazquez have replaced Damon, Matsui, and Melky.

  207. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    pat
    January 27th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
    GB

    The only difference between yesterday and today is the rest of the world knows what Brian, Scott and Johnny have already known for weeks.

    Cashman seems to turn the page pretty well. If they have interest in a future Boras client, Cash will pick up the phone.

    ————————————————————

    Oh, yeah….I understand that Cashman’s not the type to let personal differences get in the way of doing what’s best for the team, but, he’ll make sure he doesn’t budge from what he thinks is a fair number. What he may do is cut off any bit of info going to his media mouth, though.

  208. TierBoxMVP January 27th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    Yanks weren’t bluffing and did what they had to do. If Damon signs with any team, he’s a new player on a new deal for that team. If he resigned with Yanks, he’d be an employee going back to same team at an 80% paycut. Plus, he also likely wanted 2 years. A 1-year deal with Winn keeps leaves them flexibility not just for next year’s free agent class, but also midseason moves.

    Winn”s not the greatest, but Yanks are giving up a lil’ offense get a lil’ better defensively in the outfield.

  209. Noreaster January 27th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    dominant lefty, COKE???

  210. Terry January 27th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    “Jeter, Johnson (not nearly as good as Damon, can’t run), Teixiera, A-Rod, Granderson (can’t hit lefities, a liability who offers no protection to A-Rod or Teixiera late in close games), Posada, Cano, Swisher (can’t hit breaking pitches), Winn or Gardner. I’m sorry this lineup is significantly weaker than last year’s. We’re going to lose a lot of close games with Granderson, Swisher and Winn/Gardner as automatic outs late in the game. Plus Cano has a problem hitting in the clutch (you could look it up). I’d be much happier with a baseball man than an accountant running the show.”

    You have hit the nail on the head. Give me Matsui and Damon any day over the “athletic” unclutch assortment of duds Cashman is collecting.

  211. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    “Cashman never should have made the Granderson trade.”

    It was the best move of the offseason.

  212. Erica - always OPPC - Bring Johnny Back!!! January 27th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Nick in SF in Larkspur
    January 27th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
    “Like a pretend woman scorned?????????”

    You were just pretending to be a woman?

    Suddenly those big feet make sense.

    LoHud Crying Game???
    ********************

    Sorry for my silence…. I was driving home from work.

    And just to clear up any confusion. I am in fact a girl

  213. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    let’s go yankees is spot on about Boras/A-Rod.

  214. RS January 27th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    I think people are overrating Damon and Matsui. Just because they had great seasons last year doesn’t mean their 2010 production will be the same. Look at Jason Giambi…he hit 32 HRs in 2008 and then fell off the map last year.

    If Matsui and Damon weren’t two steps away from completely breaking down physically, I think the Yankees would have shown more interest.

  215. vey January 27th, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    So now Damon goes to some team, for a few million, plays, retires to no fan fair, and nobody will care. How does 7 M a year sound now Johnny?

    He will forever be tormented for not stepping in sooner and usurping Boras’s railroading of his career. Olny Boras can take a player from 13m in value to 2m or less in an offseason.

  216. Nick in SF in Larkspur January 27th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    “Johnson, Granderson, Winn and Vazquez have replaced Damon, Matsui, and Melky.”

    And Chien-ming Wang. :(

  217. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Bring Johnny Back!!!
    January 27th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
    Nick in SF in Larkspur
    January 27th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
    “Like a pretend woman scorned?????????”

    You were just pretending to be a woman?

    Suddenly those big feet make sense.

    LoHud Crying Game???
    ********************

    Sorry for my silence…. I was driving home from work.

    And just to clear up any confusion. I am in fact a girl

    ————————————————————

    A woman with big feet? You know what they say about women with big feet… (Long, low wolf whistles).

  218. Terry January 27th, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    What is really disappointing is bringing Javy Vasquez back. He was in his “prime” in 2004 and we saw the result of his abilities. Will Girardi dare pitch him against Boston? What is Cashman thinking?

  219. stuckey January 27th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    “No more than the mlb leading average $75/ ticket is the figure the fans owe the Yankees.”

    Here’s the thing 4-5, you’re 100% correct. The fans don’t owe the Yankees one red cent of their lowest or highest ticket price and anything in-between.

    No fan is obliged to buy tickets. They CHOOSE to.

    That’s called a MARKET. If the Yankees guess wrong and their attendance suffers because they choose not to sign Johnny Damon, then they’ll have made a bad decision.

    But do you honestly think that will happen?

    The Yankees owe fans nothing and fans owe the Yankees nothing.

    $75 bucks too much. Don’t go. Want to go anyway? Be a grown-up and take responsibility for your actions.

    Its that simple.

  220. Tom in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    I’m still holding out hope for Chien-ming Wang, Nick.

    Keep hope alive!

  221. Tarheelyank January 27th, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    “Will still be interesting to see where Damon ends up. It would not surprise me at all if he ended up retiring if his best option is less than $5MM/year for a non contender.”

    Worst case scenario is he signs with an AL East team.
    70 at bats to prove Cashman wrong. OUCH

  222. David (In Seattle) January 27th, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    What worries me most is, if one or more of Gardner, Golson, Hoffman, Winfree, or Gorecki outplays Winn in ST, does Winn get the nod just because he’s a name and a bigger contract.

    also, if Gardner, Granderson, Golson and Goreki made the team, we could say the Yankees outfield had the Fastest 4G network in Baseball

  223. Erica - always OPPC - Is Done with Brian Cashman!!!! January 27th, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    GreenBeret7
    January 27th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    A woman with big feet? You know what they say about women with big feet… (Long, low wolf whistles).
    ************

    Hahaha- I use that joke all of the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I’ll be talking about my ginormous feet with some poor person and say “Well, you know what they say about a girl with big feet”. 100% of the time they say, “No, what?”.

    Then I say “Damn, I was hoping you’d tell me.” And run away!

  224. Erica - always OPPC - Is Done with Brian Cashman!!!! January 27th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Tom in NJ
    January 27th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
    I’m still holding out hope for Chien-ming Wang, Nick.

    Keep hope alive!
    *************

    No. I blatently refuse to lose two bets to Nick

  225. Pat M. January 27th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Rich in NJ…..You may have to share that cool-aid come spring …And Granderson was a great trade and could define Cashman’s reign as Yankee GM, beyond the checkbook…Although he’s done a good job re-organizing the farm system…..Lots of quality arms and catchers…..At least the State of the Yanks is better than the state of the Union

  226. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    Actually Pat M I was on this afternoon speaking my mind without reservation so tonight’s post is just a kind of “yahoo!” wrap up of what I posted this afternoon.

    Damon is gone and I couldn’t be happier about it. But then again, I put a high premium on defense.

    “As far as Johnny Damon goes – the Yankees have proven, over the years, that money is no object for a player they want. To me, this shows that Cash did not feel that Damon, based on the input from their own scouts and coaches, was worth the added money it would take.”

    And this basically says it all. It kind of reminds me of when Jeff Nelson was offered 3 mil, take it or leave it. It was the Yankees way of saying see ya Jeff. Whether they ever wanted Damon was anyone’s guess. But what is screamingly apparent is that they didn’t want him enough. Or as we all know, or those who have followed Yankee baseball for any amount of time know – money is no object when the Yankees really want a player.

    I don’t feel a whit bad that Damon is gone. The only place he would have helped was from the bench. But it wouldn’t have made enough difference, one way or the other.

    JMO.

  227. Erica - always OPPC - Is Done with Brian Cashman!!!! January 27th, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    Tarheelyank
    January 27th, 2010 at 9:14 pm
    “Will still be interesting to see where Damon ends up. It would not surprise me at all if he ended up retiring if his best option is less than $5MM/year for a non contender.”

    Worst case scenario is he signs with an AL East team.
    70 at bats to prove Cashman wrong. OUCH
    ******************

    I really and truly feel that this will be disasterous for the 2010 Yankees. I hope with all of my heart I am proven wrong. But I have a terrible feeling

  228. Tom in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    Heck Erica, if it makes you feel beter I’ll send you 50 bucks if Wang re-signs.

  229. Terry January 27th, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    The argument that Damon will break down is pretty comical considering he played 143 games last year. He is a warrior and will put up great, timely stats again. Does anybody honestly think Posada or Cano, will make up the difference Johnny made? There will be new meaning to gnashing of teeth this season. Bookmark this post!!!!

  230. cano he didnt January 27th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    geeze either way our new CF will outperform the crap out of last years, and LF offensive numbers may drop a little. Either way the offensive gain of granderson beats out the loss of production in LF while proving FAR better defense… I dont see the issue. Also Damon did slump at times last year and if I remember correctly Damons numbers last year werent that incredible or out of reach for Winn/Gardner.

  231. Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    I would have MUCH rather had Damon, but I actually like Randy Winn.

    I’ve followed him and always thought he was a little underrated.

    I think some people will be surprised by him, if his 2009 season was in fact, not the sign of a quick decline.

    Winn is a solid role player – something the Yankees need and needed in their championship run.

    Don’t forget Winn has spent the past few seasons on a somewhat weak SF offense, also.

  232. Tom in NJ January 27th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Would Johnny have been able to play in a game 7 if there was one?

  233. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Is Done with Brian Cashman!!!!
    January 27th, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    Hahaha- I use that joke all of the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I’ll be talking about my ginormous feet with some poor person and say “Well, you know what they say about a girl with big feet”. 100% of the time they say, “No, what?”.

    Then I say “Damn, I was hoping you’d tell me.” And run away!

    ————————————————————

    Well as a big foot here, I’m in great demand to help put out forest fires.

  234. josh January 27th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Steve – I was going to write a more lengthy response to your post, but once you mentioned Johnson, Nady, Baldelli as better options I decided it wasn’t worth the argument. Really – those three guys, who played less games combined than Winn would be better? Baldelli was not that good for the Sox, otherwise they would have resigned him. As far as the Yanks having the worst outfield in the AL East, last I checked they won the World Series last year with an outfield of Damon, Melky and Swisher. You’re telling me an outfield of Granderson, Swisher and Gardner/Winn isn’t as good or better?

  235. Glass is WAY more than Half Full, Yankees Fans !!! January 27th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....etter#poll

  236. Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    “Cashman never should have made the Granderson trade.

    If I WAS GM… Damon would have been re-signed 2 years, 14 million to DH… ”

    ————–

    you mean you’d have offered Damon the exact same trade Cashman did (and was shot down) ?

    Genius!!

  237. Erica - always OPPC - Is Done with Brian Cashman!!!! January 27th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    Tom in NJ
    January 27th, 2010 at 9:17 pm
    Heck Erica, if it makes you feel beter I’ll send you 50 bucks if Wang re-signs.
    **********************

    Well, that would help a little ;-)

  238. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    Damon played 143 games, not 162. He played 143 because Girardi made it a point to sit him to keep him rested for the postseason. And even with that, Damon underran several balls in the world series. His value in the outfield is not there. He can’t throw for dirt. We have a DH already.

    So Damon should have been re-signed to do what? Warm the bench?

  239. Pat M. January 27th, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Tom in NJ…When the Wang-Man resigns with the Yanks, that is the exact amount ( $ 50.00 ) that Erica will need to cover her expenses in this regard…..

  240. stuckey January 27th, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    “I really and truly feel that this will be disasterous for the 2010 Yankees. I hope with all of my heart I am proven wrong. But I have a terrible feeling”

    Erica, would it be a bad thing to run your “feelings” through some analytical scrutiny?

    What about this “feeling” seems more reliable to you than the numbers, which suggest the Yankees defense is significantly improved and their pitching and offensive is at best significantly improved, likely marginally improved and at worst the same?

  241. vinny-b January 27th, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    “So, now, it’s ok to judge a player on one freak set of numbers? He’s a career .280 hitter against lefties. Which presents a better idea of what to expect? I seriously doubt that he remains 120 points under his career mark”
    —————————————————–

    GB: I don’t know. He is 36 (or 35). Based on age, am not expecting a rebound year.

    either way. Who cares. He is the 4th OF’er. Brett Gardner: take this chance an run

  242. Terry January 27th, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    “I don’t feel a whit bad that Damon is gone. The only place he would have helped was from the bench. But it wouldn’t have made enough difference, one way or the other.”

    Yeah Damon was horrible last year; he should have been cut in spring training. His at bat against Lidge was screamingly inconsequential and really embarrassed him. Ok coffee time.

  243. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes January 27th, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Terry
    January 27th, 2010 at 9:18 pm
    The argument that Damon will break down is pretty comical considering he played 143 games last year. He is a warrior and will put up great, timely stats again. Does anybody honestly think Posada or Cano, will make up the difference Johnny made? There will be new meaning to gnashing of teeth this season. Bookmark this post!!!!
    ======

    So…you think Damon is more important to the Yankees than Posada and Cano…

    Allow me to take this moment to express my sympathy on the demise of your team, the Boston Red Sox, and that your rooting has been reduced to passive aggressive posting in a Yankee forum…Sons of Sam Horn beckons…

  244. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Boston Dave XXVII
    January 27th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
    I would have MUCH rather had Damon, but I actually like Randy Winn.

    I’ve followed him and always thought he was a little underrated.

    I think some people will be surprised by him, if his 2009 season was in fact, not the sign of a quick decline.

    Winn is a solid role player – something the Yankees need and needed in their championship run.

    Don’t forget Winn has spent the past few seasons on a somewhat weak SF offense, also.

    ————————————————————

    I don’t expect him to make up Damon’s numbers, but, by all accounts, he’s a very good clubhouse/team leader. He still has a good amount of talent for what his role is. He’s always done something else that I like and don’t see enough of from a lot more talented players…100% effort in every game.

  245. Joe from Long Island January 27th, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    RS – I think you hit the nail on the head.

    If you look at it, the Yanks got, in 2009, very good years from older players. There is no guarantee that Damon and Matsui are going to repeat that. Time marches on.

    Sadly, Damon’s last play in pinstripes was his coming up lame in Game 6 with another pulled calf muscle, and having to be pulled from the game.

  246. Vince January 27th, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    In 12 major league seasons, Randy Winn hasn’t gathered 1,710 hits by bunting or favorable decisions by official scorers. Take one year away and he can be labeled as consistent with little time on the DL.

  247. Erica - always OPPC - Is Done with Brian Cashman!!!! January 27th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    stuckey
    January 27th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
    “I really and truly feel that this will be disasterous for the 2010 Yankees. I hope with all of my heart I am proven wrong. But I have a terrible feeling”

    Erica, would it be a bad thing to run your “feelings” through some analytical scrutiny?

    What about this “feeling” seems more reliable to you than the numbers, which suggest the Yankees defense is significantly improved and their pitching and offensive is at best significantly improved, likely marginally improved and at worst the same?
    **********************

    I am sorry, I am exhausted and incapable of the intense debate you are asking of me right now. Can we just call it a gut feeling for now???

  248. Ham Fighters January 27th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    damon will not finish 2011 on an mlb roster. his legs are shot and he cant play the OF at all. his speed is totally gone. signing him to a 2 year contract would be a BIG mistake.

    its much better to let a guy go one year early than one year late. i say they let johnny go just in time.

  249. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    I don’t think Posada and Cano need to make up the difference Damon made. It’s called Granderson and Johnson and they will MORE than make up the difference.

    Bookmark this post!

    Actually I’m thrilled with the offseason moves and am not at all unhappy with Winn coming to the Yankees. Once again I think Cashman has given the Yankees what they need.

    I’ll leave the complaining to anyone who actually believes he or she knows more about baseball than the Yankee organization.

    Or let me put it another way. Instead of going totally negative about this, try to have faith that the Yankees know what they’re doing. You just may be pleasantly surprised.

  250. Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    “A Braves team source tells Craig Calcaterra of NBCSports.com that the Braves don’t plan to pursue free agent outfielder Johnny Damon.

    The Braves certainly gave the idea some thought, but they aren’t thrilled by his shoddy defense or the salary he would command. According to source, the team thinks Damon will ultimately sign with the Athletics in the $4-5 million range.”

  251. jtc January 27th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Let’s face it. No matter what Cash says, the Yankees are pleased that Damon priced himself out, just like they were relieved that Matsui signed with the Angels. If they wanted one or both or those guys, they would have made it work. They had great seasons last year but are living on borrowed time. Cash always talks about having a younger, more athletic team, and that is what he got. The Yankees want to give Gardner a shot. He will start unless he completely flames out in Spring Training. Winn will be a fourth outfielder and will come in for Swish in the late innings and give all of the outfield starters a day off from time to time. I would have preferred to see what one of the young guys could do as a fourth outfielder, but this move is pretty good.

  252. vinny-b January 27th, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    “Cashman never should have made the Granderson trade.
    If I WAS GM… Damon would have been re-signed 2 years, 14 million to DH… Austin Jackson would be the starting leftfielder next year..We would still have our dominant lefty COKE.. we should have signed Ben Sheets, not traded Melky for Vazquez..and Melky and Gardner could platoon in center or whatever.
    I really hate what Cashman has done, and all the pride I had in this team last season has now turned into an embarrassment”
    ——————————————————-

    whatever: am trying to check the comments on this site, but your posts keep getting in the way. Please STFU

  253. jack -lv nv January 27th, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    The Yanks have enough and I think the big picture looks great! With the expiring contracts and the good looking 2011 F/A class, we will be sitting pretty. Damon was a great teammate but sometime you have to give up something to enhance the overall big picture.

  254. whatever January 27th, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    “Cash always talks about having a younger, more athletic team, and that is what he got. ”

    what are you talking about? they signed a 36 year old declining outfielder.

  255. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    Boddy!!!!!

    :)

    Terry, that was then and this is now. Damon had to be treated like a geriatric player so he would be “fresh” for the postseason. Even at that, he misplayed balls because he couldn’t get to them fasgt enough. He’s not an every-day player anymore. I wouldn’t pay for part-time services when they already have a DH.

    It’s ovah. Move on.

  256. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    winny-b -

    :lol:

  257. ray (sox fan) January 27th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    Just wondering here. Do any of you think that Scott Boras is losing a little bit of his reputation as super agent?

    I think most people would say he mishandled the Arod negotiations a couple years ago.

    He certainly led Jason Varitek down the wrong path last year.

    It appears he urged Damon to hold out for more money that is not materializing.

    Certainly Boras is still the most prominent agent, but he is developing a track record of not delivering on his promises in my opinion.

  258. braeden January 27th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    Damon hit 24 HR, and just 7 of those were away from Yankee stadium.
    According to John Dewan’s plus-minus systems, Damon made 5 fewer plays than the avg LF in 2009, he’s a liability.

    We have all witnessed Damons’s huge ego about his value to a team, and maybe he’d rather retire than work for less, than what his highness thinks he deserves.

  259. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    I’ll be curious to see if Damon doesn’t go back to Cashman on his own and try to cut a deal. Right now, he has two teams and both teams have serious money constraints….Oakland and Detroit.

  260. nature boy January 27th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    don’t know if this has been posted but this video really makes me wonder how granderson really feels about the trade (SPOILER: he breaks down crying)

    http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dp.....nal-return

  261. Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    aside from last year, has Mike Cameron been considerably better than Randy Winn (over the past 4-5 years)??

    Cameron is more than a year older. Both play good D and have averaged similar OPS.

    Cameron just got $15.5M, Winn got $2M.

  262. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    whatever
    January 27th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
    “Cash always talks about having a younger, more athletic team, and that is what he got. ”

    what are you talking about? they signed a 36 year old declining outfielder.
    ——————————-

    Randy Winn is a year younger than Damon and a better defensive OF

    Nick Johnson is 5 years younger than Matsui

    Cervelli and Pena replace Hairston and Hinske

    The only spots where the Yankees got older were CF where I will accept the change in age to go from Melky to Granderson and in the rotation where Vazquez will go in for either Hughes or Joba.

  263. Terry January 27th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    “So…you think Damon is more important to the Yankees than Posada and Cano…

    Allow me to take this moment to express my sympathy on the demise of your team, the Boston Red Sox, and that your rooting has been reduced to passive aggressive posting in a Yankee forum…Sons of Sam Horn beckons…”

    Posada, with his expected decline in 2010, will redefine the art of hitting into the rally killing double play. The upside in 2010 will be when he is put in for late game defense at first base.

    Cano will have his usual showy, unclutch hits/homers.

    My point is that there will be a huge “clutch hitting deficit” without HM, MC and JD. Arod will be pitched around. Texeira will press, Granderson will press, Swisher will revert to his .222 form. The gnashing of teeth will be very real.

    Why bring back Javy when he thinks he will be done in 3 years. Cash really has blown this one.

    IMO.

  264. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes January 27th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    trisha – OPPC forever – (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS!
    January 27th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
    Boddy!!!!!
    ====

    Well, hello there young lady!

    How’s your post-Xmas winter going?

  265. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    ray – I absolutely believe you’re right about Boras. Look at what some of his players did after he pulled the Arod boner! They left his services. He doesn’t have the cachet he used to and more and more GMs are willing to call his bluff.

    “Let’s face it. No matter what Cash says, the Yankees are pleased that Damon priced himself out, just like they were relieved that Matsui signed with the Angels. If they wanted one or both or those guys, they would have made it work.”

    You hit the nail on the head. We know the Yankees well enough to know that they get what they want and leave behind what they don’t want. End of story.

  266. Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    “Just wondering here. Do any of you think that Scott Boras is losing a little bit of his reputation as super agent?”

    ——————

    ray, to a degree, yes.

    he won with Matt Holliday.

    he lost with Damon and your new 3B Adrian Beltre (he originally wanted a huge deal for him)

    The blueprint for “beating Boras” on non-superstars seems to have been set.

  267. Ham Fighters January 27th, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    get over the vazquez quote about retiring. mo said the same thing when he signed his first big contract, that he was going to retire at the end of it and go back to help poor people back home. people say stupid stuff like that all the time, it means nothing

  268. Chip January 27th, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    I’ll be curious to see if Damon doesn’t go back to Cashman on his own and try to cut a deal. Right now, he has two teams and both teams have serious money constraints….Oakland and Detroit.

    At this point I don’t think that the Yankees have the room for him on the roster at any price.

  269. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    Bod – decided to set up practice in my house so have been working on that (phone, PO Box, business cards, etc.). That’s the latest stuff keeping me busy.

  270. jtc January 27th, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    Gardner, Grand and Swisher is a much younger, more athletic outfield than Melky, Damon and Swish. Winn is old, but still can run and field, especially if he is not playing every day. A solid overhaul of last year’s overall weak outfield.

  271. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    ray (sox fan)
    January 27th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
    Just wondering here. Do any of you think that Scott Boras is losing a little bit of his reputation as super agent?

    I think most people would say he mishandled the Arod negotiations a couple years ago.

    He certainly led Jason Varitek down the wrong path last year.

    It appears he urged Damon to hold out for more money that is not materializing.

    Certainly Boras is still the most prominent agent, but he is developing a track record of not delivering on his promises in my opinion.

    ————————————————————

    Evening, Ray. How’s the (sox fan) family doing?

    Not sure if he’s losing it, but, GMs might be getting wiser to his charts and mystery teams. I also think that it was easier for him to play more teams off of each other to get his price when MLB money was flowing. Now that the tap has turned to a trickle, that doesn’t work any more.

  272. Stan January 27th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    If I had the confidence in the 2010 Yankees that Terry has, I’d go hide back in the ground on February 2nd with Punxsutawney Phil at my side until next December.

  273. Pat M. January 27th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    I can see Billy Beane signing Damon, just like he signed Sheets, for the sole reason to trade them come July if the A’s are out of the running…He’ll restock his farm and move forward…..

  274. Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    p.s. Boras did do well for Derek Lowe last year – but the market had been set with AJ Burnett I suppose

    he also got Pudge Rodriguez a good deal this offseason but for some reason teams were throwing money at catchers in the early going

  275. randy l. January 27th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    “I would have MUCH rather had Damon, but I actually like Randy Winn”

    he doesn’t bother me either.

    the yankees are so loaded elsewhere else offensively that a one year deal takes care of what the yankees needed this year while not making commitments in future years.

    winn has an incredible amount of experience. he’s not likely to be a deer in headlights in new york.

    gardner will still have his chances too.

    balls in left field will be caught and there’ll be some hits out of the ninth spot.

    i don’t see the problem.

  276. ray (sox fan) January 27th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Hey Boston Dave,
    I actually agree with you that Cameron and Winn aren’t there far apart in ability, etc.

    Just a small clarification…..the 15 million for Cameron is for two years.

  277. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    Ditto Randy’s post.

  278. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    Ray, let’s just say that Boras hasn’t adjusted to the breaking pitches as he’s gotten older. He’ll still cheat on the fastball from time to time, though.

  279. Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    Pat M,

    FWIW, a Braves team official said they believe Damon will sign with the A’s for $4-5M

    Right now, who else wants him? I don’t believe the Rays rumor, personally, unless they are going to trade Crawford.

  280. Bronx Jeers January 27th, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    don’t know if this has been posted but this video really makes me wonder how granderson really feels about the trade (SPOILER: he breaks down crying)

    http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dp…..nal-return

    —————————————————————

    After watching this video, I am wholeheartedly endorsing Curtis Granderson to be Erica’s potential new PBF. What a sweetheart.

    I know it’s way too early E. but you gotta get back out there.

    This one is single by the way.

  281. Rose January 27th, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Yankees had no intention of bringing Matsui back.
    Damon refused 2 yr 14 million. If he had accepted, he would have been primarily the DH replacing Matsui.
    Cashman moved on.
    I wish Matsui, Damon and Melky the best. They were a big part of the World Series team.

  282. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    Stan – I’ve already predicted the Yankees as the 2010 WS champs. That was without Damon’s services.

    Yankee baseball is not for the timid or weakminded!

  283. Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    ray,

    yes, 2 years. I was a little surprised he got two in this market but he’s been fairly consistent even in his older age.

    I do like Cameron, but Winn for $2M is hardly a bad signing.

    On a team like the Yankees, the standard for fans is apparently much higher…

  284. Pb of Downunder January 27th, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Nick in SF in Larkspur January 27th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
    “Johnson, Granderson, Winn and Vazquez have replaced Damon, Matsui, and Melky.”
    And Chien-ming Wang. :(

    ———

    I thought the same thing at first, but when you match it up.. its not too bad (Ignore their actual positions)
    Matsui = Johnson (push)
    Damon = Granderson (push)
    Melky = Winn (potential push)
    Vasquez = Wang (so far its a Plus because Wang is injured)

    And in the end, next year’s free agency is bigger/more important than this one.

  285. jtc January 27th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    Anyone have any stats on the productivity of the Yankees outfield last year. I bet it was below average.

  286. vinny-b January 27th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    Cashman via twitter “Boras told me I wouldn’t find a No. 2 hitter for less than $13 million. I found one for half that (Nick Johnson)”
    —————————————————–

    i love Cashmoney

  287. ray (sox fan) January 27th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    Hey GB. I haven’t been on the blog much lately so this may be old news but I was wondering how your recovery is doing from your hospital stay a few weeks ago.

    Just think, it actually won’t be that long now before pitchers and catchers report!!!

  288. Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    “gardner will still have his chances too.

    balls in left field will be caught and there’ll be some hits out of the ninth spot.

    i don’t see the problem.”

    —————

    I agree.

    as soon as we can concede that Boras/Damon made a return to NY nearly impossible, I think it’s easier to see that Randy Winn is an acceptable signing.

    If we’re to believe that Cashman screwed up the Damon negotiations (which seems ridiculous), then sure, it’s ok to complain.

    Otherwise, what was the alternative? Are some people really upset that we didn’t get Reed Johnson (who I also like but he’s not a clear upgrade over some of the remaining FA or Winn).

    If the other guys do their thing, this team will be a powerhouse.

  289. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    Bronx Jeers, maybe Erica would prefer to go a season without a PBF. When one has been separated from a very intense relationship, sometimes it’s best to give oneself time to breathe!

    I see Erica as a lot more devoted than being able to summarily pick up a PFB just for the sake of it! (I’m sure raymagnetic would approve of her having a season without a PBF, ha ha!)

    :D

  290. Bronx Born January 27th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    I think we will all be most pleasantly surprised by Mr. Winn. He will be made to feel part of a great team and like Swish last year respond positively. Just a gut feeling on my part, but I think Cashman might have made another good find.

  291. Frank from Chatham NJ January 27th, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    I say we entice our Erica to run a new contest:

    Guess my new Pretend Boyfriend

    GMNPB

  292. Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    “Cashman via twitter “Boras told me I wouldn’t find a No. 2 hitter for less than $13 million. I found one for half that (Nick Johnson)””

    ————-

    not saying it’s impossible, but I doubt Cashman is tweeting about his negotiations.

    can his account be verified that it’s really Cash?

  293. blake January 27th, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    “Boras told me I wouldn’t find a No. 2 hitter for less than $13 million. I found one for half that (Nick Johnson)”

    You get what you pay for.

  294. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    The one thing about Hal Steinbrenner. He learned one very important thing from his father. How to market the Yankee name. Back in the early to early-to-mid-90s, George M. started cutting his own deals for mechandising and concessions, to say nothing of separate broadcasting rights. He offered to help MLB in negociating the radio/television rights and was turned down. Money making is Hal’s greatest asset. Hank’s biggest asset is keeping Phillip Morris in business.

  295. Ham Fighters January 27th, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    i have to say im a huge baseball fan and i cant wait till there is actual baseball, but i think pitchers and catchers reporting day is way overrated. nothing happens except you get pictures of the guys doing excersizes and talking about what a great year its going to be. then its like 2 weeks of workouts and scrimmages before you get to exhibition games.

    i tend to look forward more to the first exhibition game where there is game action to talk about and the team starts to take shape.

  296. vinny-b January 27th, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    “can his account be verified that it’s really Cash?”
    —————————————————

    I took it he was tweeting to reporters? Certainly, they would know if it is him or not

  297. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    ***negotiating***

  298. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes January 27th, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    Terry,

    I did not like the trade with the Braves.

    I would have preferred to have

    A). Kept Arodys Vizcaino in the system
    B). Kept Cabrera
    C). Allowed Hughes and Chamberlain to assume the No. 4 and 5 spots, respectively.

    I would have also liked to have seen Damon come back for a year, and was particularly dismayed that Matsui was not re-signed.

    In other words, to my thinking, the Yankees gave up a brilliant youg arm and a 25-year old switch hitter who is only going to get better….for a year of Javy Vazquez.

    Now, Vazquez will be fine as a No. 4 guy – he’ll go something like 14-9.

    Would I have given up the versatile Cabrera and one of the top three arms in the system for him?

    No – to me, Vazquez, at best, is a redundancy, because we have backup in the event Hughes or Joba can’t cut it (which, BTW, I consider unlikely – thus my comfort with letting them fill out the back-end of the rotation).

    So for me the trade was superfluous – we didn’t need the “veteran” security that Vazquez will no doubt provide – at least, not that that cost.

    As for Damon vs. Cano and Posada….Cano is a stud lefty who hits lefties and has power as a 2B, and is sublime defensively and is going into his prime years….Posada is a switch-hitting catcher who walks, hits for average and power, and is one of the best at his position.

    Damon, a put-out-to-pasture former CF who barely survived the LC field gap last year, still has a very nice stick and can still run when he needs to.

    But the comparison with Cano and Posada is…misguided, to say the least.

  299. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    “ray – I absolutely believe you’re right about Boras. Look at what some of his players did after he pulled the Arod boner! They left his services. He doesn’t have the cachet he used to and more and more GMs are willing to call his bluff.”

    —————

    What players left Boras? If his actions with A-rod caused players to leave, why did the guy who got “screwed” stick with him?

    Boras is just as good if not better then ever. He predicted the 10 year 300 million dollar A-rod contract when everyone thought he was insane. He got Holliday 120 million with only one team bidding for his services. He got the team Tex wanted to play for to bid the highest. He got Nady potentially 5 million and he barely played last season. I could go on and on for all the things he has done the past few years. But to cap it off, he got Rick freaking Ankiel close to $4 million.

    He screwed up with Varitek and Damon (which I suspect we are downplaying Damon’s role in all of this considering the financial hit he took last year). Dude cannot be 100%. No one is that good.

  300. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    Hamfighters I agree about pitchers and catchers reporting. I always take it as fans’ way of saying they’re happy that baseball is back. Something like that.

  301. blake January 27th, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    Winn was a good player a couple years ago. If last year was just a bad year and he can regain some of his form then it could be a descent pickup

    The problem is that guys usually don’t move from the NL West to the AL East and improve.

  302. Ham Fighters January 27th, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    who is this ‘hank’ you speak of?

  303. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    “Anyone have any stats on the productivity of the Yankees outfield last year. I bet it was below average.”

    ———————-

    Melky, Swish, and Damon had a combined OPS+ of 118. They were absolutely not below average.

  304. love alex better deffensive short stop than jeter January 27th, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    winn suck cash is to into his honor boras sucks damon should be a yankee anyone know how much errors he had

  305. Erica - always OPPC - Is Done with Brian Cashman!!!! January 27th, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    Trisha is correct here, Bronx Jeers.

    I felt a very special bond with Johnny even back when he was with Boston. The more I watched him play, the more I liked him. I felt truly lucky when the Yankees signed him because I woudl finally get to be “open” about a player I liked so much.

    Its been a great 4 years with Johnny on my team. I am not ready to replace him that easily.

  306. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    ray (sox fan)
    January 27th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
    Hey GB. I haven’t been on the blog much lately so this may be old news but I was wondering how your recovery is doing from your hospital stay a few weeks ago.

    Just think, it actually won’t be that long now before pitchers and catchers report!!!

    ————————————————————

    Hey, Ray. Yeah, doing pretty well. I go to Tampa in a couple of weeks for a check-up, and I’m scared to death. Nurse Karloff will be stalking the halls.

    Yeah, can’t wait for the ST games to start.

    Will the Boston Red Sox still be playing Major League baseball, this year? Sure missed you guys last year.

  307. Terry January 27th, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    I think Cashman made a mistake bringing Javy back. Every game at YS is a big game. Ozzy Guillen told it like it is: “You have to be mean. Go out there and show them we show up to play, show up to kick your guys’ [butts]. And believe me, that will take care of itself.”

    Javy is thought of as being soft. So does Girardi tell Javy that he doesn’t have to worry about anything and that he won’t be required to pitch in a big spot? That doesn’t seem like a good match for NY.

    http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2008/0.....o-step-up/

  308. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    let’s go yankees, you obviously talk to hear yourself talking. If you want to believe that Boras is better than ever, have at. I’ll go with the more rational posters here who have continued to outline why Boras has lost some of his power.

    And oh yeah, the reason Arod stayed with him is because he had been Arod’s agent since Arod was 18. It’s called the loyalty factor. It’s certainly not because Boras was the reason he ended up a Yankee.

  309. paul c January 27th, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    Boras is going to be Mad, not angry but Mad at Cashman.
    Wherever Damon lands will be an embarrassment, because Boras steered his client away from 14M, to sign for less.

    DAMON and BORAS ALLOWED THEIR GREED TO BLIND THEM, from a fair market offer.

  310. Erica - always OPPC - Is Done with Brian Cashman!!!! January 27th, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    Frank from Chatham NJ
    January 27th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
    I say we entice our Erica to run a new contest:

    Guess my new Pretend Boyfriend

    GMNPB
    ***************

    Sorry, I am not ready. But you folks will be the first to know when I am.

    Although, perhaps I am most sad that LoHud is losing a wondeful blog joke.

  311. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes January 27th, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    trisha – OPPC forever – (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS!
    January 27th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
    Bod – decided to set up practice in my house so have been working on that (phone, PO Box, business cards, etc.). That’s the latest stuff keeping me busy.
    ====

    For my part, working from home can’t be beat.

    Doing business in your pajamas can’t be beat. After we “shake hands” and hang up, I can go back to watching the blue jays fight for space on my garden fence, drop into Lohud, read a sonnet if I want to, etc…I will never work in an office again!

  312. Boston Dave XXVII January 27th, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    Bod,

    I get your point, but Vazquez was #4 in Cy Young voting last season.

    I know he’ll be coming back to the AL East, which means something.

    but isn’t it at least possible that he has fixed some mechanics between NY stints and will perform at a much higher level than some of us expect?

    (I do understand your side of this)

  313. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    Erica, I knew you were more solid than that. It doesn’t mean you can’t find some player whose skills you appreciate. But that’s on a whole other level.

  314. love alex better deffensive short stop than jeter January 27th, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    who cares arod could win a world series by himself with tex and jeter done deal

  315. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes January 27th, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    Erica,

    Allow me to say I would be deeply disappointed if you capriciously replace your PBF with another…

  316. lets go yankees January 27th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    “So for me the trade was superfluous – we didn’t need the “veteran” security that Vazquez will no doubt provide – at least, not that that cost.”

    —————————–

    Vazquez was just as much about Hughes/Joba as it was about ZZ/AJ/Andy. All three of those guys are coming off huge workloads that kept them pitching into November. Add to that AJ is always an injury risk and Andy is 37 and has not exactly been the beacon of health in recent years.

    One of those guys going down is a distinct possibility. And then you are looking at a rotation filled out by Joba/Hughes/Gaudin which is well, YIKES!

    Finally, it would not surprise me one bit if Javy is starting the 2nd game of the division series in 2010.

  317. Chad Jennings January 27th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    Tyler Kepner talked to Scott Boras, which I’m sure led to getting Brian Cashman to comment. Interesting words from both sides in a new post.

  318. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    blake
    January 27th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
    Winn was a good player a couple years ago. If last year was just a bad year and he can regain some of his form then it could be a descent pickup

    The problem is that guys usually don’t move from the NL West to the AL East and improve.

    ————————————————————

    The pitching isn’t that much different and then, there are smaller parks and less foul territory.

  319. Bronx Jeers January 27th, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    Trisha,

    Hey I’m just making a suggestion. Erica’s free to choose anybody she wishes or to not choose at all.

    I just think C-grand is a nice change of pace from that “bad boy” Damon.

    He’s a handsome fellow as well. Nice features. And despite the claims about his DNA being superior, Johnny had a bit of a Neanderthal look to him.

  320. pistol pete January 27th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    Winn stinks. Can’t hit leftys. Thought Cashman wanted a right handed bat in left field. His 158/184/200 line against leftys was the worst in mlb history in 54 yrs, nice job Cash, got your righty bat, please, this signing is absurd.

  321. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes January 27th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    Boston Dave XXVII
    January 27th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
    Bod,
    I get your point, but Vazquez was #4 in Cy Young voting last season.
    I know he’ll be coming back to the AL East, which means something.
    but isn’t it at least possible that he has fixed some mechanics between NY stints and will perform at a much higher level than some of us expect?
    (I do understand your side of this)
    =====

    Boston Dave,

    I am not an anti-Javy person, and I have little patience with people who blame him for 2004.

    However, Yankee Stadium is not the best ballpark for him. Still, I don’t doubt that he will be more than serviceable.

    That doesn’t mean I think this trade was necessary. I don’t think it was. And I don’t like that we lost ARod and Cabrera. To me, that was careless.

  322. stuckey January 27th, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    “Anyone have any stats on the productivity of the Yankees outfield last year. I bet it was below average.”

    Probably was.

    And they won the WS going away.

    There is something to be learned there.

  323. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    With more strikeouts, I’d expect Vazquez to put up Andy Pettitte numbers as the #4 pitcher and that’s more than acceptable.

  324. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes January 27th, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    She’s free to choose, but I will not take her seriously if she pulls a “Rosaline to Juliet” with the ink barely dry on JD’s new contract.

  325. stuckey January 27th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    “In other words, to my thinking, the Yankees gave up a brilliant youg arm and a 25-year old switch hitter who is only going to get better….for a year of Javy Vazquez.”

    Here’s the thing though, they award world championships one year at a time.

  326. stuckey January 27th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    “You get what you pay for.”

    Yes Blake you do. And the Yankees have a $200m payroll.

    We should all be very happy if the Yankees get what they pay for.

  327. gfd January 27th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    jtc
    Stats on fielders http://www.fieldingbible.com

    Dewans plus-minus- system. Damon doesn’t rate well.

  328. PittsburghYankeeFan January 27th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    Bottom line: Damon is a dumba-s. He’s a ballplayer, not Einstein–that’s much is obvious.

    Take $4-5 million from A’s, as a basis for declining salary from now on, when the Yankees would have paid you the same with an opportunity for the big stage in a park you love to showcase yourself like Bobby A for 2011-2012? What a complete tool. Just like when his wife said he had “2-3 teams ready to give him a multiyear deal.

    Really nice guy. But between the Stanford mess and this, it sounds like he needs some adult supervision. Maybe Zim?

    Yankees are OK taking a flyer on Randy Winn. $2 million is chump change, and they now have the flexibility to deal around the trade deadline depending on where the team is. The R/L falloff is likely a one year fluke.

    Nick J, just so you know, the fastest way to the Hospital for Special Surgery from new YS is over the 161st street bridge and down the FDR. About 15 minutes with no traffic. Oy.

  329. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 27th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    Bronx Jeers, did you ever think that now that Da Melk is gone I might be looking for a new favorite player and maybe I’ve been eyeing Granderson? Anyway though I’m more than happy to share!

    **********************

    let’s go yankees, here’s a short list of players that dumped Boras:

    Gary Sheffield
    Barry Bonds
    John Danks
    Jordan Danks
    Mark Guthrie
    Kenny Rogers
    Carlos Lee
    Jay Bruce
    Luke Hochevar
    Rick Porcello

  330. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes January 27th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    lets go yankees
    January 27th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
    “So for me the trade was superfluous – we didn’t need the “veteran” security that Vazquez will no doubt provide – at least, not that that cost.”
    —————————–
    Vazquez was just as much about Hughes/Joba as it was about ZZ/AJ/Andy. All three of those guys are coming off huge workloads that kept them pitching into November. Add to that AJ is always an injury risk and Andy is 37 and has not exactly been the beacon of health in recent years.
    One of those guys going down is a distinct possibility. And then you are looking at a rotation filled out by Joba/Hughes/Gaudin which is well, YIKES!
    Finally, it would not surprise me one bit if Javy is starting the 2nd game of the division series in 2010.
    ===

    Vazquez is certainly useful, which I think I acknowledged. But at what cost?

    I would have preferred they look at 2010 as a great opportunity to get the two kids into the rotation and set out to win the thing for the next five years.

    I also don’t think Gaudin is the lone support guy if one of the kids hiccupped. Aceves converts nicely to a starter as a No. 5.

    My point: there were ways to cope that didn’t involve sacrificing the easy dealing 19-year old Vizcaino and the versatile, switch-hitting 25-year old OF Cabrera.

  331. PittsburghYankeeFan January 27th, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Some more comments.

    It’s $2 million. Randy Winn is a one year guy. Give him a couple weeks with K Long (who must have been consulted) and let’s see where we’re at, OK?

    Melky. Guess what? He’s a FA in 2011. If they have the need and he’s really a star, they’ll resign him. I’ll take a year of the #4 pitcher in the NL as my #4 any day of the week. Yankees now have a bunch of innings eaters 1-4.

    Whatever. Are you a Sawx troll?

  332. pistol pete January 27th, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    Winn was the worst of the leftovers. Reed Johnson was better and kills leftys, Melvin Mora is clearly a better right handed option as is J Dye. For God’s sake I’d rather have Sheffield.

  333. MR YANKEES January 27th, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    this is like a f u damon u made us lose on nady move

  334. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes January 27th, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    pistol pete,

    Let’s not get crazy. LOL.

  335. Bo Knows January 27th, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    Oh, the waah! The Yankees were a prorated 102 win team before this signing. Now Winn is going to break down and Johny who’s a year older won’t. Amazing that Winn went from a 10 mil salary to 2 without a whimper. Now this guy is chopped liver. “Waah, I want the sure thing”. You’ve got the sure thing. “Waah, I want the surer thing”. So, if Damon is exposed will there be snivelling in July? Winn away from San Fran had a very good line as in 295, 350 etc. Aah, why bother?

  336. pistol pete January 27th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    He still can’t hit right handed and that is what Cashman was looking for. We’re very suspect late in games vs tough leftys because Granderson can’t hit leftys either.

  337. Bo Knows January 28th, 2010 at 12:13 am

    The Yankees retooled and won the Series. Boston went defense this year. Winn is an excellent fielder with a strong arm. His so called, can’t hit Lefties is one year, all of 125 at bats. The rest of his career he hit lefties just fine. He’s insurance for Gardner if the latter struggles and a late inning defensive replacement for Swisher and all for 2 mil. This is a steal even if he doesn’t hit. An astute baseball signing and the fandom is gnashing teeth and smearing ashes all over their bodies.

  338. pistol pete January 28th, 2010 at 12:25 am

    Winn stinks, he’s finished, his numbers last yr were horrible. I guess he finds the fountain of youth at 36. It’s more than likely he’s declining rather than bouncing back. There were far better choices.

  339. greg January 28th, 2010 at 12:40 am

    People obviously didn’t watch many SF games last year on the MLB Extra Innings package. Randy Winn is pathetic from the right side. 2 Million may be cheap, but when you just throw it away on a dog of a ballplayer, it just makes no sense. I guess Cashman is just throwing in the towel for this season and saving his ammo for next year’s FA class.

  340. Bo Knows January 28th, 2010 at 1:09 am

    The Yankees were projected as a 102 win team yesterday. This is before the Winn signing.

    Now would you like to hear what the difference is between Stupid and Ignorant?

    The other question is “Does it hurt?

  341. Buck Nasty January 28th, 2010 at 1:11 am

    OMG SOME OF YOU MAKE ME SO FRIGGEN FRUSTRATED! If randy winn or johnny damon are making or breaking our season we are in alot of trouble we still have one of if not the best lineup in baseball without Johnny.

  342. Jeff Littrell January 28th, 2010 at 6:22 am

    Don’t forget that Nick Swisher was coming off a bad year when we picked him up from Chicago and he turned out pretty well. Winn had an off year. He’s a good guy, a hard worker, and I think he’ll do what we need. Give him a chance !

  343. Captain Chaos January 28th, 2010 at 7:46 am

    I really don’t like this addition for a number of reasons:

    1. Not that he is just coming off a bad year in San Francisco but it was the National League and the National League West to boot.

    2. This guy is 36 years old and is on the down side of his career, he had no power before and unless he does a Barry Bonds he’s not going to have anymore when he gets here.

    3. There were better “Cheep options” out there, can anyone say Reed Johnson!

    I really like everything else Cash did but, this…..I think he will regret this decision!

  344. The Dude January 28th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    A full season of a healthy Arod will help the lineup.

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    It’s so hard to repeat as Champion in this day and age. And unfortunately the Yankees will fall to that fact in 2010. I guess it’s safe to say: Wait “til next year (2011)”

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