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Lots of lists

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 28, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

We interrupt this 24-hour outfield news cycle because we also happen to be in the thick of the prospect ranking season.

Back when I began covering the Yankees Triple-A team, I posted my own prospect rankings, but I hated the process and the result. The process is all about opinion, and often about personal preference. I generally prefer a minor leaguer who’s almost ready for the big leagues, even if his ceiling is slightly lower than a guy who’s still in A ball. The result is nothing but frustration because everyone thinks differently about these things, and it seems to be taken personally when we disagree.

For example…

MLB.com’s  Top 50 prospects
Jesus Montero ranked 19th
This list has Montero out of the top 10 and ranked behind two other catchers, Buster Posey (4) and Carlos Santana (11). MLB.com wrote that Posey has the “best, and most advanced, hitting approach” in the minors. He also throws out a lot of runners and got to Triple-A last season. Santana led the Double-A Eastern League in slugging and was second in on-base percentage. Montero is younger than both, but MLB.com noted the usual concerns about his ability to stay behind the plate. To me, it’s personal preference which of these you’d want. I’d put Montero ahead of Santana, but I have no real problem with Posey being ranked higher.

ESPN.com’s Top 100 prospects
Jesus Montero ranked 10th
Manny Banuelos ranked 96th

On this list, Montero is in the Top 10, but he’s still ranked behind both Santana (3) and Posey (4). Like MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo, Keith Law notes concerns about Montero’s ability to stay behind the plate. For lists like this, those defensive concerns are a slight downside.  It’s not often that a player hits well enough to be ranked this high on his bat alone. As for Banuelos, Law conceded that he could easily have gone with Zach McAllister instead, but he’d rather have the Banuelos upside. Again, personal preference.

AOL Fanhouse Top 100 prospects
Jesus Montero ranked 5th
Manny Banuelos ranked 41st
Austin Romine ranked 45th
Zach McAllister ranked 76th

This list puts Montero ahead of everyone except Stephen Strasburg, Jason Heyward, Michael Stanton and Desmond Jennings. Posey ranked seventh and Santana ranked 16th. I’ll say it again, personal preference and opinion. That’s what these lists are providing. This time, Romine makes the list ahead of what I generally consider to be bigger names like Aaron Crow, Mike Moustakas and Tim Beckham.

Baseball America’s Top 10 (Jim Callis version)
Jesus Montero ranked 4th
Scroll down to 2:45 in the linked chat and you’ll see that Callis announced his personal top 10 prospects. He has Montero ranked fourth behind Strasburg, Heyward and Stanton (I actually thought those might be almost universal as the game’s top three prospects). More Baseball America writers will announce a full top 50 ranking in the prospect handbook.

Bottom line, opinions vary. I think it’s good to read and see various sources, if only to get a feel for the other players who are out there. None of this — whether Montero is ranked fourth or 19th — changes the fact that the Yankees have one of the top hitters in minor league baseball. Whether the Yankees system as a whole is ranked directly in the middle of the pack or among the bottom third doesn’t change the status of the organization as system with a lot of high-ceiling, high-risk talent. Take the lists for what they are, a series of opinions.

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281 Responses to “Lots of lists”

  1. vinny-b January 28th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    “Kay should have been canned the second he came up with generation trey and took it with him on the air. That as everyone knows jinxed LOS 3 AMIGOS”
    —————————————————-

    SoS: I should be banned from this site as well. I was pimpin “The Bronx Triangle”

  2. Chip January 28th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    I think Montero takes a hit on these lists because no one (outside of the Yankee fans and Yankee front office) believe he’s going to stay at catcher long term and they question where the heck he’s going to play in the majors.

  3. vinny-b January 28th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    thank you, Chad

  4. vinny-b January 28th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    “I turned him on a few minutes ago and they were talking about Andre Dawson going into the HOF as an Expo”
    ———————————————————

    don’t know if this is a terrible thing. Despite his 1987 MVP season, when i think of Andre Dawson i think of the Expos. The same with Raines

  5. GI Joe January 28th, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    MLB.com just crucified Jesus ;)

    The most impressive thing about Jesus is he’s only 2o.

  6. CountryClub January 28th, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    While I agree with the general theme of this post, I still have to point out that Keith Law has 7 Red Sox in his top 100. Take his rankings, in particular, with a giant grain of salt.

  7. CountryClub January 28th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Chip,

    That’s not entirely accurate. The guy from Fanhouse had good things to say about his defensive improvement. And even MLB.com (who has him all the way down at 19) had this to say:

    He’s big for a catcher and isn’t all that agile. That being said, he’s worked very hard on his craft behind the plate and showed improvement, particularly in throwing out runners, over the course of last season.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.....id=7962336

  8. JGL January 28th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    Do the people making these lists actually go and watch all 100 of their top prospects play? Or are they just going by what their buzz is? I wouldn’t read too much into the individual rankings.

  9. G. Love January 28th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    From the last thread (didn’t see new one):

    I doubt Kay will ever lose his job.

    When you go on the stadium tour and they take you into the Yankee museum they have a massive collection of autographs and autographed baseballs.

    I was stunned to see a Kay autograph amongst them.

    To me, that says how “in” he is with the Yankees.

  10. lets go yankees January 28th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    “An offer for more than one year must be in writing to be enforceable. That said, I am sure a verbal offer would not be withdrawn until rejected or not accepted in a reasonble time. The Yankees wouldn’t hurt their reputation with agents.”

    ———————-
    Austinmac,

    Technically doesn’t only “contracts” apply to the statute of frauds and not “offers?” And if they did have an oral agreement that was not put in writing, wouldn’t it be enforceable if both parties admit to the existence of that oral agreement? Am I wrong here?

  11. CountryClub January 28th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    For those who care, here’s MLB.com’s full write up on Jesus:

    Statistically speaking: When challenged with a bump up to Double-A at age 19, Montero didn’t really skip a beat. After hitting .356/.406/.583 in the Class A Advanced Florida State League, he kept raking at a .317/.370/.539 rate over 44 Double-A games. His ISO (extra bases per plate appearance) stayed almost identical, .228 to .222, and his line drive percentage actually increased (19.7 up from 17.9).

    Scouting report: It would be difficult to find someone with anything critical to say about Montero’s bat. He’s going to hit for plenty of average and he’s got perhaps as much raw power as anyone in the Minors; he’s just starting to tap into it. He’s got great pitch recognition and bat control. The question with Montero has always been about his defense. He’s big for a catcher and isn’t all that agile. That being said, he’s worked very hard on his craft behind the plate and showed improvement, particularly in throwing out runners, over the course of last season.

    Upside potential: No matter what position he plays, his bat will be special and has All-Star potential. Obviously, if he can catch, his value goes up exponentially, but the Yankees will find a spot for the bat one way or the other, soon.

    They said it: “He’s a very advanced bat with power. He has improved greatly as a defender. He’s got above-average arm strength and threw out a higher percentage of basestealers at Double-A than he did in A-ball.” — Mark Newman, Yankees senior vice president of baseball operations

    He said it: “I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it’s my position. I want to play my position.”

    http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.....id=7962336

  12. S.o.S. January 28th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    vinny,
    Come on now. No one wants to retire as an expo. Thats like an nba player retiring as a Clipper. People want to retire with a professional cap on not the minors. Reminds me when they were talking about Boggs going in as a d-ray.

    Erin,
    The funny part about the whole thing was she has been friends with her for years and just now she decides to give me the “O by the way” knowing im a sick Yankyholic. She said that the guy wears #90 and i went blank. I was running through all the players numbers hoping she messed up and it was a smaller one. The first player to come to mind was Hughes who comes from so cal. She had to make a call to find out as i was out of players. I guess its better that it was him than lets say Hinske(someone whos here one day gone the next).

  13. Rick January 28th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    And then there’s the Peter Gammons types that overhype every Boston prospect in sight.
    The Socks had better hope for good health in 2010 because they’ll get no help from the AAA or AA levels.

  14. Chip January 28th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    Back to whether the Yankees should trade Gaudin, Mitre or Aceves for a second:

    If a team was willing/able to take on Gaudin’s 3 mil to fill the role of 5th starter (or as a key member of their pen)then why wouldn’t they just go out and sign a free agent? The answer is that the teams who would look at a guy like Gaudin as being a key player can’t afford to spend 3 mil.

    We’re talking about teams like San Diego, Pittsburgh, Florida, Washington, etc…

    As for Sergio Mitre – This is one situation where I just don’t get what the Yankees are thinking. Girardi likes this guy from his time in Florida, and maybe another year removed from surgery he’ll show more, but giving him a major league contract was silly.

    In the end, I just think that the Yankees are a little hamstrung by those two contracts and have a ton of right handed pitching options, so why not capitalize on the value that Aceves has to add a prospect that might replace the ones that the Yankees moved this winter?

  15. S.o.S. January 28th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    “The Bronx Triangle”

    ========

    I like it!!
    Time to make up a name for the remaining 2.
    All i can think of is
    Dynamic Duo
    Laurell and Hardy
    Thunder and lightning

  16. GI Joe January 28th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    CountryClub January 28th, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    While I agree with the general theme of this post, I still have to point out that Keith Law has 7 Red Sox in his top 100. Take his rankings, in particular, with a giant grain of salt.
    ==============================================
    Why?

    Maybe the Sox prospects are that good.

    I mean, is there any evidence that Law is a Sox fan?

  17. GreenBeret7 January 28th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Montero has quicker feet and hands behind the plate than Romine. He seems to have softer hands. He still jabs his glove at the ball on occassion, though. He’s 20 times better than he was in 2008.

  18. m January 28th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    I don’t think they’ll let Kay go. He’s their entry in the Macy’s Thanksgiving Parade. :P

    Lists, smists. ;)

  19. G. Love January 28th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    If Montero hits as advertised and has the catching ability of Piazza (at worst), he’ll be welcome behind the plate for a long time.

    Part of the reason our offense has been so potent for years is that we have positional advantages over other teams. Having a power hitting catcher is rare and his offense will make up for a downgrade in defense.

    Now if he’s Matt Nokes behind the plate, that’s another story. Then he has to DH or learn the OF.

  20. Frankie Piliere January 28th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    I can’t speak for the other guys by but my count when I made my list, I’ve scouted and written up about 70 of my top 100. The rest I filled in the gaps with info from other scouts. I doubt many have seen the amount i have, but there’s nothing wrong with that either. They do theirs by more of a consensus and buzz. I do mine for off my person reports and supplemented by other opinions from guys I worked with.

    All these lists though, never put too much stock in them. There’s a lot of good players who could be on them. It’s not a scientific way to evaluate prospects.

    FP

  21. Noreaster January 28th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    If Montero was a RedSox prospect, he’d be being billed nationally as the heir apparent to Ortiz…

  22. Erin January 28th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    S.o.S.
    January 28th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    Erin,
    The funny part about the whole thing was she has been friends with her for years and just now she decides to give me the “O by the way” knowing im a sick Yankyholic. She said that the guy wears #90 and i went blank. I was running through all the players numbers hoping she messed up and it was a smaller one. The first player to come to mind was Hughes who comes from so cal. She had to make a call to find out as i was out of players. I guess its better that it was him than lets say Hinske(someone whos here one day gone the next).

    ************************

    I can’t believe she neglected to tell you this information! lol I would demand tickets and an intro asap. :)

  23. Erin January 28th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    m
    January 28th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
    I don’t think they’ll let Kay go. He’s their entry in the Macy’s Thanksgiving Parade.

    *********************
    Nice :D

  24. Chip January 28th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    In the end, these lists are, as Chad said, just people’s opinions. Lots of top rated prospects never make the majors and many of the guys who do make the majors seem to come out of nowhere (Mariano).

  25. Noreaster January 28th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    GB7, have you seen Montero play?

  26. m January 28th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Chip,

    Going into the season, every team has their starting 5 set. The #5 might be the winner of a ST competition with AAA guys. It could be a top prospect (Porcello). It could be an innings eater (Livan).

    But inevitably guys get injured or flame out. So there are instances where teams would rather trade for a #5 than pick up a Ponson off the scrap pile.

  27. CountryClub January 28th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    GI Joe,

    The Yankees system and the Sox system are very similar. They both are light on MLB ready players (because both teams have graduated players recently and the Yanks have made a couple of trades), but they also are heavy on high upside guys in the lower levels.

    Yet, he ranked the Sox system #2 and the Yanks #25. That’s laughable. Both should be in the 10 – 20 range (with the Sox probably a few spots ahead). And if you look at the other ranking out there you’ll find that’s where they fall in most instances.

  28. GreenBeret7 January 28th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    At worst, Montero should be somewhere between Posada and Piazza as a defensive catcher.

  29. S.o.S. January 28th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Erin,
    Would it be bad if i asked her to ask him for a Jeter anything? Thats after i get tickets of course. Wouldnt want to ruin those chances.
    Tickets to a Yankee game in Anaheim by third or first base line is like $350 for 2. Im not sure how that compared to other ball parks. Tried getting them the first day possible but they are already sold out.

  30. GreenBeret7 January 28th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Noreaster
    January 28th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
    GB7, have you seen Montero play?

    ————————————————————

    Most of his 2008 home games and all of his games in savannah and a few in Columbus and Rome. Only about 20 of his games in Tampa in 2009, though.

  31. Noreaster January 28th, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    GB7: Thanks for the scouting report. I’m looking forward to seeing him.

  32. Bronx Jeers January 28th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Thanks Chad, your input is both respected and appreciated.

    I was watching the MLB network prospect show last night. I don’t suggest it.

  33. Wave Your Hat January 28th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Chip-

    Gaudin has a career ERA of 4.50, he’s young, a fairly successful starting pitcher, finished hot last year. I can see how he is tradeable.

    I thought the Yanks could have moved him before to open up room for Damon, but at this point I don’t see why they should. He’s more important on the team right now than what we could get for him in return.

    During the season, when the Yanks realize they need a good right-hand hitting outfielder and find they have to trade prospects they’d rather not have to trade to get him, Gaudin may be a useful piece of the deal.

  34. Erin January 28th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    S.o.S.
    January 28th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
    Erin,
    Would it be bad if i asked her to ask him for a Jeter anything? Thats after i get tickets of course. Wouldnt want to ruin those chances.
    Tickets to a Yankee game in Anaheim by third or first base line is like $350 for 2. Im not sure how that compared to other ball parks. Tried getting them the first day possible but they are already sold out.

    *********************
    Heck no, might as well give it a shot!

  35. chris January 28th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Thanks a lot, Chad. Brilliant as always.

  36. DaSaint007 January 28th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    It’s been interesting to watch the transition from Girardi to Girardi/Posada, to Posada/Molina, to Posada/Cervelli in 2010.

    Maybe 2011 will be Posada/Cervelli/Montero then Montero/Cervelli in 2012. Can’t see Romine being a backup on this team.

  37. mick January 28th, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    I was stunned to see a Kay autograph amongst them.

    —————————————————
    I am stunned nobody here knows his autograph is placed right next to the great Mickey Mantle. I’m sure he suggested it. Everything is planned out to the tee with the guy.

  38. Phil the Thrill January 28th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Law lives in Boston.

  39. pat January 28th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Reader’s Digest version…..

    Sherman says, Cash said he had a mystery player willing to take less. Boras thinks he’s bluffing and Cash signs Johnson. Scott whines he’s been had.

    So all that’s missing is a Twitter response and Gammons telling us about someones shopping preference and the season can start?

  40. CountryClub January 28th, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    If Romine and Montero both fulfill their promise, it’ll be Cervelli that’s the odd man out.

  41. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day January 28th, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Keith Law is …..well, I despise him. Jim Callis runs a close 2nd.

    How did Montero end up the 19th best prospect on MLB’s list? Ridiculous.

  42. GreenBeret7 January 28th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Simon, I still think that Romine will be at another position, as well as catch. He’s got way too much footspeed to waste behind the plate, full time. He could steal 15-20 bases a year

  43. m January 28th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    pat,

    Can we add a happy ending?

  44. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day January 28th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    If Romine has a good year, he’s going to end up on some of these lists next year. If Montero sticks at C, then as GB says, try him out in the OF.

  45. DaSaint007 January 28th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    GB didn’t know that. Thx.
    Could you see Montero as full-time C, with Cervelli as backup? Would Romine be at another position on this team, or traded?

  46. Bret the Hitman January 28th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    I think Gaudin and Gardner will both be useful trade chips at this year’s deadline. Not saying they’ll be traded but I think both will have increased value. Girardi will put them in situations where they will succeed IMHO.

  47. tk January 28th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    WYH,

    I saw you mention the projections at Baseball Prospectus. Is it just me or are they…really out there? They seem overly optimistic on the Ray’s run prevention and just the opposite with the Yankees. After adding Vasquez and improving their OF defense, I don’t see the Yankees giving up 46 more runs than last year. I think we all expect a big drop from the Angels due to both regression and the talent loss, but last place? With the A’s winning the division? How about that Mariners offense, from 640 RS in ’09 to 794 in’10? Just really surprising all the way around.

  48. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day January 28th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    Law put the Mets 15th and the Yanks 25th….that says it all.

  49. CountryClub January 28th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Romine already is on some of these lists…including AOL’s.

  50. Bret the Hitman January 28th, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    I just found out Huston Street signed an extension with the Rox.

    What is the Yankees plan with Rivera?

    Pitch him until he’s 50?

  51. DaSaint007 January 28th, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Possible late-season, bench-augmentation additions, provided they sign only 1-year contracts this FA season: Delgado, Dye, Anderson, Damon.

  52. DaSaint007 January 28th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    Bret, Mo will pitch until he can’t get the cutter to reliably cut. If he gets 40 saves at 50, I’ll take it.

  53. GreenBeret7 January 28th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    Betsy, Romine has the skills and speed to play quite a few positions, but, having three players that can catch and play in other spots is a lot of versatility and gives the managers a lot of options. I know last year that Cervelli was taking a lot of grounders at third base with Rodriguez instructing. He’s another that could play multiple positions like the corner infield and outfield spots.

  54. vinny-b January 28th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    off topic:

    this will be the best videogame, of all-time

    http://www.joystiq.com/2010/01.....-detailed/

  55. Bret the Hitman January 28th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    I’d take Dye as a RH pinch hitter on the bench.

  56. Wave Your Hat January 28th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    tk-

    Your reaction was my initial reaction. The Yank projection shook me up, and while I had just assumed with the improvement in the Mariners and Athletics and the Angel’s loss of Lackey and Figgins the AL West would be tight, but the Angels projection floored me. I haven’t had time to chew on the PECOTA numbers, and thought CB might have since he is always on these things early.

    However, my worry meter has gone way up.

  57. Carl January 28th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    Bret the Hitman January 28th, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    I just found out Huston Street signed an extension with the Rox.

    What is the Yankees plan with Rivera?

    Pitch him until he’s 50?

    Yeah, now that we can’t sign Street.

  58. GreenBeret7 January 28th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    DaSaint007
    January 28th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
    GB didn’t know that. Thx.
    Could you see Montero as full-time C, with Cervelli as backup? Would Romine be at another position on this team, or traded?

    ————————————————————

    NYY could easily carry 3 catchers by teaching them other spots. Montero is probably the only one limited to catcher, DH, 1st and in an emergency a small outfield like left in Fenway or Baltimore or right in YS on occassion.

  59. GreenBeret7 January 28th, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    Simon, unless somebody insisted on Romine in a big ticket trade, I wouldn’t trade him until I saw how he hits in Trenton and Scranton. He’s got a sweet swing.

  60. teddy January 28th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    keith law not a redsox homer

  61. Rich in NJ January 28th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    I have knocked Callis, but his rankings are pretty spot on. MLB’s are embarrassing.

  62. tk January 28th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    “I haven’t had time to chew on the PECOTA numbers, and thought CB might have since he is always on these things early.”

    I’d be really interested to hear his thoughts too. I wouldn’t have been surprised if the offense was projected to regress…with the age of some of our key veterans that would be expected. However, I’m thoroughly confounded by the projected runs allowed. Would you care to post some highlights of the Yankees pitching depth chart when you get a chance?

  63. CountryClub January 28th, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    Teddy,

    It’s hard to say that when he consistently ranks their system and players higher than the other “experts” out there.

  64. CountryClub January 28th, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Callis is pretty fair all the way around.

  65. Rich in NJ January 28th, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    I think Keith Law can be prone to biases, like most people, but I don’t think he is a RS shill either.

  66. S.o.S. January 28th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    vinny,
    Just got the kids a PS3(thanks to everyone who gave the suggestions on 360 vs.), im not into video games. I wanted your suggestion or anyone elses on what are the good games out there? He has something Creed, Maddon 10, ncaa college football. War games? Monsters? etc.

  67. GreenBeret7 January 28th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    I have a difficult time accepting the “experts” opinions on rating farm players/teams without ever seeing them. Callis sees the Red Sox teams and never leaves his area and Law is just an idiot. I laugh at fans who have never seen them and then talk about trading them for junk. Seems to be a few on here that do the same thing.

  68. Carl January 28th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    S.o.S.

    Mlb the show!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Dh5tNAY08g

    Mlb the show 10 comes out in March I think.

  69. pat January 28th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Kim Jones interview with Alex for Hot Stove tonight looks interesting.

    Hearing her talk about Alex now makes me think she’d like to ask him, “who are you and where did the guy who’s been here for the last 5 years go”

    m

    If you get to play baseball for a living, there really isn’t such a thing as an unhappy ending.

  70. saucY January 28th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    well my opinion is that Jim Callis and AOL Fanhouse are more respectable sources than MLB.com or ESPN.com ;)

  71. DaSaint007 January 28th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Free Agents still out there that catch my eye:

    Catchers:
    Rod Barajas
    Jose Molina

    1B/DH:
    Hank Blalock
    Russell Branyan
    Carlos Delgado

    Infield:
    Alfredo Amezaga
    Nomar Garciaparra
    Adam Kennedy
    Melvin Mora

    Outfield/DH:
    Garret Anderson
    Marcus Thames
    Rocco Baldelli
    Reed Johnson
    Jermaine Dye
    Jonny Gomes

    Starters:
    Erik Bedard
    Chien-Ming Wang
    Jarrod Washburn

    Relievers:
    Kiko Calero
    Will Ohman

  72. vinny-b January 28th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    SoS:

    let me know if the vidgames will be for you. Or for your children (and their age). Or all of the above, and will make a short list.

  73. DaSaint007 January 28th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    Many of the names listed could be in play later in the year, should the need arise.

  74. rover January 28th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    The proverbial: I prefer to shoot my crap this ways as opposed to that way. Baseball is just ifs.

  75. Wave Your Hat January 28th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    tk-

    PECOTA seems to be projecting a fairly big decline from Pettitte and from Posada. I guess that’s not unreasonable, but I think the comps for Posada are few so I think it’s basically a guess as far as he’s concerned.

    On a quick glance the projections for the other Yanks seems about what you’d think.

  76. S.o.S. January 28th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    vinny,
    They play anything and everything. Im not strict. Blood, violence, sports. Whatever is good. I guess anything an adult would like. I lock my bedroom door at night just in case they turn on me.

  77. GreenBeret7 January 28th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    Simon, the only player on that list that might be the best value and fulfill the best needs of the team is Mora. Right handed bat, plats 3rd and the outfield, has some speed, some power. he could even fill in at 1st, 2nd and short in an emergency.

  78. Rich in NJ January 28th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    Speaking of shills:

    The Red Sox lowered their offer to Jason Bay from four years to two years because they were “scared to death” of his knees, according to Peter Gammons. Here’s the audio from WEEI and here’s the transcript. The Mets were the only team to seriously pursue the left fielder, according to Gammons.

  79. tbone1570 January 28th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    I don’t get overly concerned with where these “scouts” rank the prospects, it’s only their opinion and I worry more about facts. One fact the we know is true is that Montero is a Yankee, and that makes me very, very happy! I also like the fact that the Yanks are accumulating a good number of quality catching prospects that can be used either in the field or as trading chips for future deals.

  80. Pat M. January 28th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Melvin Mora is going to help some club this season….

  81. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? January 28th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    pat -

    About that Reader’s Digest version: I guess turn about is fair play. :)

    Hot Stove sounds interesting.

  82. vinny-b January 28th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    lol. Below is a short list. I don’t think you can go wrong with these:

    MLB The Show (wait for the next one in March)
    Assassin’s Creed I (historical game in middle east)
    Assassin’s Creed II (historical game in Italy)
    Uncharted I (adventure game. You can find it cheap)
    Uncharted II (many consider to be the finest game on the PS3)
    Call Duty Series (popular war, although i prefer Medal Of Honor)
    MotorStorm (off road racing)
    Elder Scrolls Oblivion (if you like RPG games)
    Medal Gear Solid (beautiful graphics but strange bat crazy plot)
    Grand Theft Auto IV (only for you. Not for children)

  83. vinny-b January 28th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    forgot:

    Fight Night Round 4 (greatest boxing game to date)

  84. GreenBeret7 January 28th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Pat M.
    January 28th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
    Melvin Mora is going to help some club this season….

    ————————————————————

    Agreed, Pat. Mora may have been a better selection than Winn. I have no issues with Winn, though. I think he’ll be just fine.

  85. DaSaint007 January 28th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Hey Vinny. Have you played HALO 3?

  86. vinny-b January 28th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    SoS: all of the above are PS3 titles. If you have the PS3 connected to internet, you can purchase/download different PS1 titles which will also play on your system. If you never tried them, i have to recommend the Crash Bandicoot 1, 2, 3, games. Only $4.99 each. Excellent/fun gameplay, even 12 years later

  87. vinny-b January 28th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    DaSaint: only have PS3. Did have Halo on Xbox 1

  88. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day January 28th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    GB, I think teaching versatility is a great idea, but at this point, I don’t think it would be a good idea for Cervelli to be playing any position other than C (unless it’s an extreme emergency) as if he gets hurt, our backup C is this Rivera dude from AAA.

    ST will be very interesting if for no other reason than we’ll get a few glimpses of Montero and Romine.

  89. DaSaint007 January 28th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Pat/GB, I agree.

    Since it appears that Pena and Russo are the only internal candidates to spell A-Rod at 3rd, Mora could have been a good option.

    I still think there is 1 more move to make before ST.

  90. S.o.S. January 28th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Thanks vinny and Carl. Will look for those youv pointed out.

    BTW, assassins creed 1 is the name i was trying to remember. They have that one.

  91. DaSaint007 January 28th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Speaking of depth, what’s the projected starting rotation at Scranton? Other than Igawa of course…

  92. S.o.S. January 28th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Just wondering how assassins get through the filters. Double negative. Like that horse with a plural rear GB mentioned earlier.

  93. tk January 28th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    Thanks for the info Wave…those declines do sound reasonable, but I’m still pretty confident that this team can overcome isolated declines like that. As long as we don’t start seeing injuries en masse we shouldn’t have too much to worry about. Either way, I can’t wait to start watching the season unfold.

  94. m January 28th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    SoS,

    I saw that the first 3 letters made it through the filter yesterday. Hurry & try it before Chad changes it.

  95. GreenBeret7 January 28th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    S.o.S.
    January 28th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
    Just wondering how assassins get through the filters. Double negative. Like that horse with a plural rear GB mentioned earlier.

    ————————————————————

    You’re just trying to get me in trouble with the teacher. Forget it. I’m the new teacher’s pet.

  96. S.o.S. January 28th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    “Ass the Yankee World Turns”

    GB and myself would be dismissed of any wrong doing due to our consistantly screwing up the English language. See, sometimes its good to be that bad.

  97. Frank Da Tank January 28th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    TOP TEN Yankee PROSPECTS TOP TEN PROSPECTS Per BaseballAmerica.com

    1. Jesus Montero, c
    2. Austin Romine, c
    3. Arodys Vizcaino, rhp
    4. Slade Heathcott, of
    5. Zach McAllister, rhp
    6. Manny Banuelos, lhp
    7. Gary Sanchez, c
    8. J.R. Murphy, c
    9. Jeremy Bleich, lhp
    10. Andrew Brackman, rhp

    1. Jesus Montero, c
    2. Austin Romine, c
    3. Arodys Vizcaino, rhp
    4. Slade Heathcott, of
    5. Zach McAllister, rhp
    6. Manny Banuelos, lhp
    7. Gary Sanchez, c
    8. J.R. Murphy, c
    9. Jeremy Bleich, lhp
    10. Andrew Brackman, rhp

  98. Bret the Hitman January 28th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Apparently the Yankees never made an official offer to Johnny Damon throughout this whole process:

    “Johnny knew what their budget was, so there was never any expectancy. The Yankees could never make an offer because they knew Johnny’s performance value far exceeded what their budget was.” – Scott Boras

  99. S.o.S. January 28th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Frank,
    Quick!! Get rid of #3 and move everyone up a notch. People are still awefully sensative of this subject.

  100. RayVT January 28th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    GreenBeret7
    January 28th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    I like Mora too! He is a very good hitter.

  101. Brian Cashman $$$$$$$ January 28th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    The New York Yankees and Johnny Damon are PARTING WAYS

  102. Frank Da Tank January 28th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    S.o.S

    It was the list that was on the website that is why I put it twice. It goes to show that people just put stuff together without paying attention.

    I know number 3 was traded away. It was just funny to me

  103. lets go yankees January 28th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Bret,

    Are you honestly quoting Boras as a reliable source here who is trying to cover his tracks. All Boras is doing there is saying that Damon is worth more then the Yankees offered, because he is still trying to get him a good contract and make it seem like teams are competing for his services.

    For the millionth freaking time, Johnny Damon confirmed the offer.

  104. lets go yankees January 28th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    Also that is like the 4th story on what went down that Scott has floated to the media. His original story yesterday, was there was an offer but it was conditional on NJ. Now today, there was no offer?

  105. S.o.S. January 28th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Brian Cashman $$$$$$$
    January 28th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
    The New York Yankees and Johnny Damon are PARTING WAYS

    ========

    lol. And here i thought you were out of a job as of yesterday.

  106. DT - OPPC member January 28th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    “You’re just trying to get me in trouble with the teacher. Forget it. I’m the new teacher’s pet.”

    LOL. Hopefully last year’s teacher didn’t leave behind your fat detention folder for the new teacher….

  107. Wave Your Hat January 28th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    Per Joel Sherman, Boras said there was never an offer.

    Sherman then implied that Boras was technically correct because Cashman said he “wanted” Damon but that an offer would have been futile because Damon wouldn’t take less than $13MM, Cashman’s point being I guess that he would have offered if Damon would take less. But Cashman’s response does imply there was never an offer.

    Sherman seems to wonder, as I do, how serious either side was, and seems to think both sides made a mistake.

  108. S.o.S. January 28th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    DT,
    lol. That reminds me way back when i was in school how everytime the new year came and the teacher was taking role for the first time. For some reason she always paused and stared at me for a second. No one else got that stare. From that point on i was convinced that they have a teachers pj party every summer and share that folder your talking about.
    Im sure GB’s new teacher got the memo.

  109. RayVT January 28th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Damon 2 Yr $14M Offer!

    Damon said in a text message Friday that the Yankees had offered two years and $14 million, while he had offered to return for two years and $20 million. That was true, a Yankees official confirmed, but by then, the Yankees and Johnson had nearly finished their deal and it was too late to turn back.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12......html?_r=1

  110. lets go yankees January 28th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    “Damon said last month in a text that NYY offered 2 yrs/$14M. Today Boras said it was actually conditional on whether Nick Johnson would sign”

    http://twitter.com/tylerKepner

  111. Bret the Hitman January 28th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 28th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    Per Joel Sherman, Boras said there was never an offer.

    Sherman then implied that Boras was technically correct because Cashman said he “wanted” Damon but that an offer would have been futile because Damon wouldn’t take less than $13MM, Cashman’s point being I guess that he would have offered if Damon would take less. But Cashman’s response does imply there was never an offer.

    Sherman seems to wonder, as I do, how serious either side was, and seems to think both sides made a mistake.

    It’s a money quote that proves Boras was behind the rumored 2 year offers from the Yankees.

    Damon will get 1 year 5 mil rather than 2 years 20.

    The Yankees never put a 15 million dollar mistake on paper. They discussed parameters, sure, but a discussion (confirmed or not) does not constitute an official written offer.

  112. RayVT January 28th, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    The official, who was granted anonymity because the Johnson deal has not been announced, said that Damon’s agent, Scott Boras, wanted a two-year, $26 million deal when he spoke with General Manager Brian Cashman on Wednesday.

    In a telephone interview, though, Boras said the Yankees did not begin negotiations with him until Thursday at 4 p.m., when they proposed the two-year, $14 million offer. Boras said he soon countered at two years and $20 million, and Cashman rejected it.

  113. Bret the Hitman January 28th, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    All Damon did by ‘confirming’ those offers was confirm rumors started by Boras.

    No Yankee confirmation linked – no proof of offer.

    Client bias.

  114. Wave Your Hat January 28th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    I’m just posting what Sherman said Cashman said, guys. Here it is, you can make up your own minds:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....Zn0as0AHCK

  115. RayVT January 28th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    But now Boras says there never was an offer!

  116. Bret the Hitman January 28th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    No way Damon was offered 2 years with the designs on Crawford in 1.

  117. lets go yankees January 28th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    What does Damon have to gain by confirming the offer?

    Absolutely nothing. If anything it makes him look worse. It shows the Yankees were the good guys in this process by making him what was a generous offer. Damon comes off as the villain for confirming that, and I am sure Boras is none to happy he did confirm it.

    There is a reason that Boras is back-tracking and saying there was no offer, because both him and Damon know that $14 million was the best they were going to get and they both know how stupid they look for not accepting the offer.

  118. Bret the Hitman January 28th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    It’s hard to believe that people don’t believe Boras told 2 big fat lies about Damon to start the free agent season.

  119. RayVT January 28th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Bret the Hitman
    January 28th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    Yeah I know!!

  120. Bret the Hitman January 28th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    ets go yankees January 28th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    What does Damon have to gain by confirming the offer?

    Let’s see…

    What would a free agent have to gain by implying that he has a 2 year offer on the table for 14 or 20 million dollars when he doesn’t really have jack squat on paper and zero official written offers from other teams?

    Are you serious?

  121. Boston Dave - XXVII January 28th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    let’s go Yanks sounds about right on this one

  122. Wave Your Hat January 28th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    let’s go yankees-

    If I understand Sherman’s article right, Cashman never confirmed any 2/14 offer. In fact, Sherman has Cashman saying he didn’t make any offer because Damon said he wouldn’t take less than $13MM a year and it would have been pointless to make the offer.

  123. Bret the Hitman January 28th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    I also find it hard to believe that fans are convinced this current front office will make put a 15 million dollar mistake on paper misreading a market for outfielders they nailed down the prior year with pinpoint accuracy.

  124. Bret the Hitman January 28th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    No Yankee confirmation – no proof.

    You’re basically speculating based on statements from Boras his client, and media.

  125. Bret the Hitman January 28th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Joba to the pen

  126. Wave Your Hat January 28th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Reading between the lines, Sherman seems to be saying Cashman didn’t want Damon at Damon’s price, and didn’t want Damon enough to negotiate with him at the risk of not signing NJ.

    Cashman must have known it would take a while to get Damon down to where Cashman wanted to sign him, and didn’t want to run the risk that at the end of the day they couldn’t agree on a price. So he turned immediately to NJ, which implies IMO that Cashman never wanted Damon that much – or at least he didn’t want him at the risk of losing NJ.

  127. GreenBeret7 January 28th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Betsy -Romine wasn’t built in a day
    January 28th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
    GB, I think teaching versatility is a great idea, but at this point, I don’t think it would be a good idea for Cervelli to be playing any position other than C (unless it’s an extreme emergency) as if he gets hurt, our backup C is this Rivera dude from AAA.

    ST will be very interesting if for no other reason than we’ll get a few glimpses of Montero and Romine.

    ————————————————————

    Emergency is what I intended, Betsy. Versatility is one thing that I’d like to see the Yankees promote throughout the system.

  128. Bret the Hitman January 28th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 28th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Reading between the lines, Sherman seems to be saying Cashman didn’t want Damon at Damon’s price, and didn’t want Damon enough to negotiate with him at the risk of not signing NJ.

    Cashman must have known it would take a while to get Damon down to where Cashman wanted to sign him, and didn’t want to run the risk that at the end of the day they couldn’t agree on a price. So he turned immediately to NJ, which implies IMO that Cashman never wanted Damon that much – or at least he didn’t want him at the risk of losing NJ.

    Sounds about right.

    You’ve had a darn good off-season.

  129. Wave Your Hat January 28th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    Bret-

    I’m ready for spring training – the next two weeks are going to be slow.

  130. bottom line January 28th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Here’s why Law is way off the mark. Yanks had inordinate number of pitching casualties over last two years. You know the mames: Garcia, Horne, Betances, Marshall, Brackman, Kontos etc. None of these guys seem to have been considered. And yet nearly every one at one point or an other flashed brilliance and/or were highly ranked prospects. Player development does not often follow a straight course. Look for some impressive rebounds this year from young Yankee pitching talent. Meanwhile, 25-30% of the pitchers on Law’s list are likely to come down with serious arm injuries of their own.

  131. GreenBeret7 January 28th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    RayVT
    January 28th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
    GreenBeret7
    January 28th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    I like Mora too! He is a very good hitter.

    ————————————————————

    he also played a solid defense at 3rd base and other positions as well. I’d still like to see him with the NYYs. He makes for a lot of options.

  132. lets go yankees January 28th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    “What would a free agent have to gain by implying that he has a 2 year offer on the table for 14 or 20 million dollars when he doesn’t really have jack squat on paper and zero official written offers from other teams?”

    ————————-

    Because the offer was not on the table… He confirmed the offer after the NJ signing and after the Yankees had rescinded their offer, thereby making him look stupid for not accepting it.

  133. SJ44 January 28th, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Hasn’t this been already discussed?

    Cashman didn’t want to risk losing Johnson by letting Boras drag it out.

    They made an offer. It was rejected and they moved to NJ.

    Some of you are playing the semantics game.

    Boras has told 3 different stories in the last 24 hours.

    Tells me it’s spin.

    There gave been numerous reports, some confirmed by Yankee officials, of a December offer.

    At this point, folks are going to believe what they want to believe.

  134. Chad Jennings January 28th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Jerseys for sale, in a new post.

  135. lets go yankees January 28th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    SJ explained all this all very succinctly earlier today. They wanted Damon back but were not going to let Scott drag out the negotiations like he always does and lose out on their back-up plans. Because if NJ signed with the Giants, basically Boras had the Yankees over a barrel then.

    Bret, you can continue to live in la la land and say that the Yankees never made the offer, but almost everyone here and everyone in baseball knows it was a real offer. “Official written” offer or however you want to characterize it, does not mean anything except to people who have no understanding of how these negotiations go down or how contract law works.

    If you need a confirmation from Brian Cashman for every offer he puts out there, then you are going to be waiting a while to believe anything that happens during the offseason.

    No GM in his right mind confirms offers that are not accepted.

  136. Drive 4- 5 January 28th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Tonight’s Hot Stove show on YES should be interesting, or at least I hope it is. The story about YES execs trying to muzzle some of David Cone’s comments doesn’t bode well honest analysis. I loved Cone’s comments, just as I Jim Kaat’s work. I was at the Stadium the day in ’06 when they honored him and he threw out the first pitch. I only hope I look that good at age 68.Jim’s honest analysis is missed.

  137. SJ44 January 28th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    You don’t make formal, written offers in these type of negotiations.

    You talk parameters.

    When we were negotiating my nephew’s deal with the Pirates, offers, verbal one’s with parameters, went back and forth.

    That’s how it’s done.

    When you reach agreement, you do a deal memo and then put the entire deal to paper.

    The same thing happens in FA negotiations.

  138. Larz January 28th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    Anyone who doesn’t think Keith Law is a Red Sox fan, look at this interaction on ESPN conversations from yesterday after he released his list:

    morejohn (1/27/2010 at 11:21 AM)
    Keith, you’re Red Sox bias is showing. No way they have the #2 farm system.

    K_Law (1/27/2010 at 11:41 AM)
    morejohn: Your argument is almost as compelling as your grammar.

    Why would he bother responding to this comment? And why would he respond like a comedian stomping on a heckler unless the comment hit too close to home.

    He’s a hack!

  139. Rich in NJ January 28th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    “Why would he bother responding to this comment?”

    What could he have said that would have put the issue to rest?

  140. Wave Your Hat January 28th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Is there anything to contradict the assertion that Cashman knew or suspected all along that Damon was not prepared to go to the price range Cashman was prepared to offer in, which to me is the same thing as saying Cashman wasn’t serious about Damon.

    I mean, I could say I’m serious about buying a brand new Lexus for $20,000, and be serious about buying that Lexus at that price if someone would sell it to me, but I think we’d all agree I wasn’t serious.

  141. SJ44 January 28th, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    Sure there is Wave.

    If Damon says “yes@, he’s a Yankee.

    Cashman didn’t make a lowball offer. He made an offer that is more than any other offer the guy got.

    When you make the highest offer, and get turned down, it’s hard to sell Cashman’s offer wasn’t serious.

  142. champ809 January 28th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    DaSaint007
    January 28th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
    Speaking of depth, what’s the projected starting rotation at Scranton? Other than Igawa of course…
    *********************************************************
    as of right now if the season started I think the ro is

    Romulo Sanchez
    Sergio Mitre
    Zach McCallister
    Ivan Nova
    Igawa

    with Jason Hirsch somewhere in there…I don’t think Mitre makes the major league roster as I think that Joba is the 5th starter Hughes goes to the pen with Ace,Gaudin,DRob,Marte,Melancon and Mo….so Mitre starts in SWB in case of an Injury.
    I guess that there is an outside chance that if Joba “wins” the 5th spot that Hughes could be sent to SWB to work as a starter and build up his innings and work on his secondary pitches with an eye on the 5th spot in 2011 when Pettite goes home. But I feel that he’ll end up in the pen for another year barring injury from any of the top 5.
    If I were Hughes I wouldn’t worry he should just keep working because I think that the odds of AJ seeing the DL the season are pretty high after back to back seasons of 34 starts and 200+ innings pitched.

  143. champ809 January 28th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    Cash was serious about Damon the problem is that Damon and Boras refuse to accept that Damon has been repositioned in this FA market.
    They want him paid and recognized as a slugging OF’er when the market and the guys who write the checks more accurately view him as an athletic(can run a little)DH and as such the offers will come as such.
    He’s a terrible defender who doesn’t run much anymore(12 sbs) and his legs and back are breaking down which indicate that he is speeding toward decline phase. Who is paying 13mil per on a multiyear deal for that?
    at best he’s worth on a 1yr deal somewhere between what NJ and Matsui signed for 5-6mil and what Abreau(who’s a better player/hitter than Johnny) got @ 9 mil hence the Yanks fair offer @ 7 mil.

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