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My first Yankee Stadium memory

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 30, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

As most of you already know, I didn’t grow up with the Yankees. I was born and raised in Missouri and my first trip to Yankee Stadium didn’t come until it’s final days, when I was still covering the Triple-A team.

Most of my memories from that day are behind-the-scenes. I wasn’t sure what to expect walking into an unfamiliar clubhouse, but the first person I saw was Dave Robertson. Then Phil Hughes.

I remember the dining room with blank spaces on the walls where pictures used to hang, and I remember writers telling me exactly which pictures hung in which spots. I remember the dark runway leading to the dugout and into the light of the field. I remember walking the ramps out of the stadium with Tyler Kepner, who said he didn’t like using the elevator to leave.

The place was old and authentic, and I felt lucky to be there; a minor league guy up for the day to do a job.

As for the game itself, I remember absolutely nothing, except this one thing: Mariano Rivera pitched that day. When the eighth inning ended, a writer actually said to me, “Wait til you see this.”

Metallica. Screaming crowd. Jog to the mound. Game over.

Like Rebecca so poetically put it this morning, Rivera was part of the experience. Authentic as the building itself.

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146 Responses to “My first Yankee Stadium memory”

  1. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 30th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    My first Yankee Stadium memory for real? Okay, my grandpa and godfather are drinking beer, the smell of cigar smoke permeates my entire being, very small men are out on a field far in the distance, running around. I think I was seven years old the first time I was taken to the Stadium.

  2. KhanArtist January 30th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    Rivera was also at my first game. I thought Mussina had the game in hand, but when he faltered late, I turned to my cousin and said ‘Mariano time?’ as Mo came in and slammed the door.

  3. KhanArtist January 30th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    I still believe that my absolute favorite part of ballgames is when Rivera enters.

  4. RonH January 30th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Chad, I have to agree. For all the times I’ve been to Yankee Stadium since 1996, the one hope is for a close game with a NYY lead to witness the pre-top of the ninth grand entrance. Always one of the greatest memories!

  5. Erin January 30th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Great post Chad. The first time I saw Mo pitch was in Chicago, and all of the Yankee fans there stood up and gave him an ovation when he came jogging out. My friend (CWS fan) turned to me and said “this game is over”. I’ll never forget watching him come out of the bullpen-I got chills!

  6. CraftyLefty January 30th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    My first memory is from when I was 5 years old, in 1980. It was an afternoon game against Texas or Toronto; and I remember thinking it was funny because the pitcher’s name (Underwood) was so similar to the word ‘underwear’. Not quite Mariano Rivera.

    Second game I went to was May 18, 1981. Easy to look up that date, because it was Reggie’s birthday. I had a “Happy Birthday, Reggie” sign, but we were on the LF side.

  7. Aybe January 30th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    My first time at the old Yankee Stadium was the last game of the regular season of the 2003 season. I didn’t know anything about baseball… it was David Wells’ 200th win and Roger Clemens was the manager that day. Mariano pitched the 9th inning and that was it… Yankees fan.

  8. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 30th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Hey I thought this was about our first memory, not about Mo! But as long as we’re talking about Mo, here’s my favorite memory. Last game at the old Stadium, I’m sitting in the first row of the bleachers, directly behind the Yankee bullpen. Since it’s the last game the ushers are really good about letting us hang over the rail and watch pitchers warm up. Sometime toward the end of the game, Mo gets up and starts to warm up. I’m standing their in rapt awe, almost not being able to breathe. (To that point every darned thing about being there for the last game has left me breathless.) Then, at the top of the 9th, Mariano is introduced and he runs in to the sounds of Metallica, flashbulbs turning the Stadium into the 4th of July. I have tears streaming down my face, a thousand emotions running through me.

    Amazing.

  9. mick January 30th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    How about this memory: My Dad took me to
    A July 4th doubleheader,1961,Maris and Mantle chasing Ruth.
    1st place on the line, Yanks-Tigers 1/2 game out.
    Over 70,000 fanatical fans, yes cigar smoke, it was allowed back then.
    Amazing. No wonder I am the fan I am.

  10. Joe from Long Island January 30th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    My first game at the original Stadium was 1967, when my father took my brother and me to a Bat Day DH, against the KC A’s, I think. I remember the crowd, the bright sun, and my dad smoking cigars to keep the gnats away (they had invaded that weekend). I think they won both games, but I clearly remember having the time of my life, with my brother and dad.

    That’s what it’s all about.

    As a side note, my wife and I went to the All Star Game at the Stadium, in 2008. We were in the LF bleachers, at the end of a row, and had a great view of the temporary box where ESPN had set up. Gammons, Phillips, Kruk, Berman, they were all there.

    When Mo came in, to relieve Papelbon, the place went wild. And when Enter Sandman started to play, and the crowd starting singing along, as Mo jogged in, everybody in the ESPN booth – and I mean EVERYBODY, people who had seen countless ballgames, EVERYBODY – stopped whatever they were doing and just watched – Mo, the crowd, the singing and display of respect and love and joy at seeing Mariano jog in to pitch.

    We take every opportunity to watch Mo pitch while we can. We will not see his like again.

  11. Yankee Trader January 30th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

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  12. lets go yankees January 30th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    Tom in NJ
    January 30th, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Writers, creative writers, often find insipration from the same sources-be it Bob Dylan ‘reinventing’lines from Keats, Shakespeare, or Woody Guthrie; The Romantic Poets usage of Homer’s Greek epics; Or even, Shakespeare himself.

    Rebecca did nothing wrong.

    ——————————-

    To be fair (and play devil’s advocate to a certain extent), this is not really the case here. You can certainly find inspiration from the same sources, but you cannot use that same inspiration to write something about the exact same thing. There is a no added value here as compared to Posnanski’s article.

    I am sure Rebecca’s intent was genuine, but that does not change the end result, which is really all that matters.

    And Chad, I am sure your intent was genuine as well and I doubt Posnanski ever sees this or ever even cares, but it was probably not in your best interest to use that as a guest post.

  13. stuckey January 30th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    “Aside from run production, there is no denying Matsui, Damon and Melky were a big part of the team chemistry, although some will deny that is a factor.”

    Not sure how would deny it, but where some people might disagree with you is whether the Yankees can build a new chemistry with new players.

    I don’t think there is anyone in baseball who question the character of Granderson, Johnson and Winn. They might be DIFFERENT chemistry, but that doesn’t mean it’s worse.

    Repeating his HARD, most agree harder than the first time, and I think many would agree a team trying to repeat needs new blood, NEW chemistry, to push them.

    Few are denying the contributions of those players, both tangibly or intangibly, but them leaving isn’t NECESSARILY a net loss. The new players MIGHT bring their own positives we just don’t know about yet, because we haven’t seen them every day.

  14. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 30th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    I’m a huge fan of the chemistry the 2009 team had, but most of the team is still together and they are all good guys. None of the new players being brought in have ever had anything bad said about them and I am sure they will be welcomed with open arms. I expect this team will continue to care about each other and be the brothers in arms that Cash has repeatedly said they are.

  15. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 30th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    Excuse me, I mean band of brothers

  16. mick January 30th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Not to change the topic but back to the end of the last thread:

    Who would be the 5th greatest Yankee legend assuming Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio and Mantle are the top 4.

    Berra comes to mind but wouldn’t Mariano and Jeter be knocking at the door?

  17. gator January 30th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Anywhere else that would be plagiarism. Barnacle got canned for that. Post was a rip-off. No value added is right.

  18. Yankee Trader January 30th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    My first experience in Yankee Stadium was 1990, I believe. I went to the broadcast booth, where Phil Rizutto and Tom Seaver were announcing the game. I had a mutual friend of Rizzuto’s, and he left the booth to talk to me for a good 10 minutes. Very interesting and kind person.

  19. stuckey January 30th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    “I am sure Rebecca’s intent was genuine, but that does not change the end result, which is really all that matters.”

    See, I’d say the exact opposite. I think the intent IS what matters, not the end result.

    Why strikes me as more important than what.

  20. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 30th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Chad, don’t take offense at the topic switching. We do it all the time. Someone leaves one thread to come to the next, and the old topic comes with her/him.

    I like the topic of your thread. I’m sure you’ll see people switch back.

    :)

  21. mick January 30th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    trish..it’s called stream of consciousness, short attention spans or A.D.D, take your pick :)

  22. Erin January 30th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Betsy – Romine wasn’t built in a day
    January 30th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
    I expect this team will continue to care about each other and be the brothers in arms

    Excuse me, I mean band of brothers

    **************************
    Betsy, “brothers in arms” is a good way to describe the camaraderie among the pitchers! :)

  23. mick January 30th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Replacing 50 HR’s and 200 RBI might be a bigger issue than team chemistry. Winning = Chemistry not Chemistry = Winning anyway.

    Of course Pitching = Winning trumps all.

  24. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 30th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    mick, I guess we could also call it intense focus! We’re so focused on the topic that we hold onto it.

    :)

  25. Vince January 30th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    My first Yankee Stadium memory? Seeing the field for the first time at the age of seven and being overwhelmed by how much bigger it was.

    Then the Yankees shut out Cal Ripken and the Orioles, 3-0.

    My fondest Mo moment? I’ve seen him strike out the Sox’ side in 11 pitches, I’ve seen him record countless saves, I’ve even seen him give up back to back home runs and lose….Twice.

    But my favorite memory was this past October when the music started blasting at the new stadium, and I knew with 100% certainty when Rivera was done pitching, the Angels would finally be defeated and I was going to witness the Yankees clinch the pennant.

  26. mick January 30th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    good one Erin!

  27. mick January 30th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    trish, that’s true and one could say intense focus, i.e. concentration would be the opposite of a short attention span…funny how that works.

  28. Erin January 30th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    mick
    January 30th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
    good one Erin!

    **********************
    thanks, mick!

  29. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 30th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    mick – :lol:

    Life is good when you’re a Yankee fan!

  30. lets go yankees January 30th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    “See, I’d say the exact opposite. I think the intent IS what matters, not the end result.

    Why strikes me as more important than what.”

    —————————-

    While, we would all love to judge people on their intent, that is simply not how the world works. It is much too hard if not impossible in most cases to prove intent.

    Those in the journalism community who follow set standards and ethics would highly disagree with your premise. As would the court, if Posnanski would be so inclined to launch a civil suit for plagiarism.

    When putting something in the public sphere you have to do your HW. While this would be copyright infringement instead of plagiarism, I cannot just write a book about a teenager’s adventures in NYC after getting kicked out of school, that ends up being basically the exact same book as Catcher in the Rye and say well my intent was genuine. (Just an example because Salinger was on my mind, given his recent passing.)

  31. lets go yankees January 30th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    …and also because Salinger loved to sue people for copyright infringement even as recently as 2009.

  32. mick January 30th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    trish, i don’t know where i’d be without them. in fact i don’t know how i get thru the winter without games. i know why i go to fla every feb. though, it shortens it for sure.

  33. Kerouac January 30th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    mick, i still go with yogi as No. 5 on the all-time legends list. and i saw him play in 1955. but we’re old geezers.

    post 1968 list isn’t too shabby: 1. Mo or Jeter; 3. Munson; 4. Mattingly; 5. Reggie.

  34. mick January 30th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    it is so cold here you can’t go outside…one week to fla where i can breathe baseball…

  35. mick January 30th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    kerouac, i love jeter and having seen yogi from 60 on only, i have seen more of jeter and would place him 5th anticipating more to come from him…prove me wrong if you can.

  36. mick January 30th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    you can’t leave whitey off your list kerouac.

  37. Rick January 30th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    After Mariano retires and he returns to the Stadium for Old Timers Day, the crowd will still be as electrified when No. 42 comes out of the bullpen with Metallica playing in the background.

  38. murphydog January 30th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    Pop music writers respond to similar stimuli, employ very simple and familiar chord changes, go for similar hooks and melodies, but try to put a personal spin on the tune. Did George Harrison really steal My Sweet Lord from freakin’ Neil Sedaka? Really?

    Baseball writers are mostly Americans, educated here, familiar with the American Canon of great writers since they strive to be great writers themselves. Mariano is the son of a fisherman. He is an old man by baseball standards. Old Man and the Sea pops into mind almost reflexively; you’d have to fight yourself pretty hard not to go for the analogy. Joe Pos did it first, that’s all. Joe’s piece was not the same as Rebecca’s. But it’s a lesson in how competitive the business is and how hard it is somedays to write something different and original. IMO, it happens to the best of them.

    De minimus non curat lex. Case dismissed.

  39. Tarheelyank January 30th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Joe from Long Island

    I have a very similar first memory. I do not remember much about the game, or even the who the opponent was, But I do remember the bat. Clete Boyer model. If I close my eyes, I can feel, smell and see that bat. I have been hooked ever since.

  40. tim January 30th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    I’m sure she will learn from it, and make adjustments in the future to prevent another mishap like this one. Give her a break already, it’s not like she got paid for this guest post.and btw i highly doubt Posnanski will take legal action against her lol

  41. yankee21 January 30th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    joe from LI, what a great post.

    Having growing up on LI,I’ve been to a few Yankee games but the one that stands out is last year’s.I live in SC now, and we drove up to YS to catch a game that I had tickets for from my birthday. The date was June 30, against the Mariners.

    First it was an absolute deluge of rain that delayed the start for almost 1.5 hours, then Joba started and was garbage that day. But everything else was great, one of my favorite Yankees Matsui, had his dad in the crowd and he was introduced. We were in the RF bleachers and got to see the obligatory fielder introductions, definitely Damon’s was the best.

    Ichiro was unstoppable that day, stealing everything but he actually made an error on a line drive. Matsui doubled off the fence, the crowd went wild, Arod creamed one etc…

    But the best moment was the 9th. Mo time. There are things you just can’t capture on TV, and definitely one of them is Mo coming into pitch. Just like you described the crowd went wild, Mo came in and proceeded to do his thing. Including getting another certain Hall of famer out in the 9th, what a picture that was!

    Awesome, awesome experience. To cap it all off, this was also the night that the Orioles came back from like 9 or 10 runs and beat the Sox!!

  42. Doreen January 30th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    murphydog -

    Whew. Thanks for saying that. The same thing came to my mind when this brouhaha started. (My Sweet Lord, indeed!) But I’m not nearly so eloquent and certainly don’t have the legal background, so I stayed out of the fray.

  43. Doreen January 30th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    (But murphydog, George Harrison did lose his case, no?)

  44. mick January 30th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Didn’t Chuck Berry sue the Beach Boys over Surfin USA or some other song? Didn’t JZ coin Empire State of Mind from NY State of Mind?

  45. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    As great as Rivera has been for 15 years, you can in no way rank him above Whitey Ford as the best pitcher in Yankee history.

  46. Tom in NJ January 30th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Here’s George having some fun with that!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSIjlUMV6Is

  47. Doreen January 30th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    mick -

    I believe Empire State of Mind actually combines the ideas of 2 other songs: New York State of Mind and New York, New York.

  48. mick January 30th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    the question is not who is greater, it is who is more legendary.

  49. mick January 30th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    doreen

    true, a double rip off.

  50. Doreen January 30th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    I’ll never forget my husband’s utter horror when he found out that CSNY’s song “Love the One You’re With” was not an original idea. There was a song in an old musical (I think it was “Finian’s Rainbow”) called “If You Can’t be with the one you love, then love the one you’re with.” Absolutely horror-struck, he was! :lol:

  51. Frank January 30th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    “Did George Harrison really steal My Sweet Lord from freakin’ Neil Sedaka? Really?”

    Thought he stole it from the Chiffons.

  52. Tarheelyank January 30th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    GB

    Just curious where do you rank Andy?

  53. Phil the Thrill January 30th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    My first time at the stadium, Mickey Mantle hit a homerun, then Dad wouldn’t let me go on the field at the end of the game, as the crowd used to do, cause he thought I’d get trampled.

  54. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    There are also problems with someone like Reggie Jackson being on any list of great Yankees after just 5 years. I’d put Posada, Tino Martinez, Paul O’Neill or Nettles over him and certainly Alex Rodriguez.

  55. mick January 30th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    is there any such thing as an original idea anymore?
    witness today’s music.
    if anything i wish there were more ripoffs of the Beatles, Zeppelin, Stones, etc..
    todays music is vapid, must reflect the times we live in.

  56. mick January 30th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    reggie was great before he became a yankee. he indeed was legendary as a yankee. not top 5 though. i would say the top 5 inc Yogi plus jeter mo whitey mattingly would put reggie about 10th.

  57. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Tarheelyank
    January 30th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
    GB

    Just curious where do you rank Andy?

    ————————————————————

    Tar, as a Yankee pitcher, probably about #4 with Stottlemyre and Guidry. Player-wise, overall, about #10-12.

  58. mick January 30th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    forgot guidry, make reggie 11.

  59. mick January 30th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    andy would also be a legendary Yankee, right up there, if not ahead of guidry…could be ahead of reggie.

  60. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    People use the phrases “great” and “legendary” too freely. He had 2 seasons of 30+ homers and just 2 100 RBI seasons. Maris did better than that. Jackson was nothing more than a home run hitter and not even as good as Harmon Killabrew was for the Twins/Senators.

  61. braeden January 30th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Mo will get a relievers award named after him. The BBWAA will do right by MO.
    This postseason was another phenomenal example of greatness, from a farm raised true blue Yankee !1

  62. Doreen January 30th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Reggie just had awesome timing and a lightning rod personality. I would say his feats would and should rank high, but if you’re talking about players, Reggie can’t be in with the “lifers.”

  63. lets go yankees January 30th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    “Baseball writers are mostly Americans, educated here, familiar with the American Canon of great writers since they strive to be great writers themselves. Mariano is the son of a fisherman. He is an old man by baseball standards. Old Man and the Sea pops into mind almost reflexively; you’d have to fight yourself pretty hard not to go for the analogy. Joe Pos did it first, that’s all. Joe’s piece was not the same as Rebecca’s. But it’s a lesson in how competitive the business is and how hard it is somedays to write something different and original. IMO, it happens to the best of them.”

    ——————————–

    You are almost implying that when writing an article about Mariano you almost have to fight not using the analogy. That is borderline ridiculous. There is a reason in Mariano’s 15 year career, it has only been done one time (well 2 if you now, with Rebecca’s post).

    There is no added value here as compared to Posnanski’s article. We did not gain anything more from Rebecca’s post, and if we did it is extremely minimum. All it is, is a shorter version of Posnanski’s article with 2 caveats. Rebecca is a Yankee fan so she briefly spoke about him being her favorite player and it is more recent so she was able to add Mariano’s 2009 playoff performance.

    Finally, a lot of people are implying that the “idea” here is using the Hemingway reference. I do not see it as that. The idea here is “Mariano’s stoic/heroic greatness.” Anyone can write an article about Mariano’s greatness and there would be no copyright/plagiarism/etc. The Hemingway thing is just an analogy that adds to this idea, an analogy that was in essence stolen directly from Posnanski’s article.

    Obviously nothing is going to come of this but if Posnanski were to bring a civil suit, there is no way he is losing that case.

  64. Neil January 30th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    GreenBeret7
    January 30th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
    There are also problems with someone like Reggie Jackson being on any list of great Yankees after just 5 years. I’d put Posada, Tino Martinez, Paul O’Neill or Nettles over him and certainly Alex Rodriguez.

    …………………..

    I don’t believe any Yankee has got so much mileage out of a 5-year career as Reggie Jackson has. It still amazes me that No. 44 is retired.

  65. lets go yankees January 30th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    “Following the song’s release, musical similarities between “My Sweet Lord” and The Chiffons’ hit “He’s So Fine” led to a lengthy legal battle over the rights to the composition. Billboard magazine, in an article dated 6 March 1971, stated that Harrison’s royalty payments from the recording had been halted worldwide. Harrison stated that he was inspired to write “My Sweet Lord” after hearing the Edwin Hawkins Singers’ “Oh Happy Day”.

    In the U.S. federal court decision in the case, known as Bright Tunes Music v. Harrisongs Music,[2] Harrison was found to have unintentionally copied the earlier song.

    He was ordered to surrender the majority of royalties from “My Sweet Lord” and partial royalties from All Things Must Pass”

  66. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    As far as I’m concerned, Reggie Jackson will always be known as the jerk that brought showboating into pro sports. That has made sports all the poorer for it.

  67. Erin January 30th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    Tom in NJ
    January 30th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
    Here’s George having some fun with that!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSIjlUMV6Is

    **********************
    That’s one of my favorite George Harrison songs ever! LOL I crack up every time I see that. Have you seen the video for “This Song”, which he wrote after he was sued for “My Sweet Lord”? That’s a good one too.

  68. Tarheelyank January 30th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    Thanks GB

  69. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    Neil
    January 30th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
    GreenBeret7
    January 30th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
    There are also problems with someone like Reggie Jackson being on any list of great Yankees after just 5 years. I’d put Posada, Tino Martinez, Paul O’Neill or Nettles over him and certainly Alex Rodriguez.

    …………………..

    I don’t believe any Yankee has got so much mileage out of a 5-year career as Reggie Jackson has. It still amazes me that No. 44 is retired.

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    He bought a YS plaque and retired number from George Steinbrenner for a HOF plaque with a Yankee hat and a lifetime job.

  70. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Tarheelyank
    January 30th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
    Thanks GB

    ————————————————————

    Any time, Tar. That’s just my personal list, though.

  71. murphydog January 30th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    let’s go yankees:

    “You are almost implying that when writing an article about Mariano you almost have to fight not using the analogy.”

    No, not at all. What I meant is what I said. I said that the Old Man and the Sea analogy is fairly obvious when it comes to Mo for the reasons I stated. (Mo is old by baseball standards and his father was a fisherman). I further stated that it is hard to always be original, and I’ll add that it is extra hard when writing about a common theme, like baseball. The “hard to be original” idea has to do with writing, not writing about Mo. You conflated the two ideas, not I.

    You’re really overreacting, by the way. Any particular reason?

  72. m1kew January 30th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    I was a Brooklyn Dodger fan and my first game at Yankee Stadium was a World Series game. I think it was the 5th game of that series and we sat on the first level behind a steel column supporting the second level. It didn’t matter to me because the pitchers were weak and I could see the rest of the field perfectly. I was there to see the Bums hit! An old Dodger enemy was pitching for the Dodgers that day but I loved him now. And he pitched really well that day … but … you guessed it … the opposing pitcher was Don Larsen and it was (so far) the only perfect game ever pitched in a WS. And I could barely see the pitcher all day.

  73. Doreen January 30th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Ah, but I love Reggie. Wouldn’t put him on the greats list, but there’s something about the guy.

  74. gfd January 30th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Jeter will be the first Yankee to break 3000 hits. This will be fun to witness..
    I see Damon is spouting off his mouth. He hopes the Yankees don’t ask Jeter to take a 45% pay cut, or a rough time. That’s not a way to be invited back Johnny boy!!
    http://www.zellspinsreipeblog.com

    Damon, “I hope Jeter doesn’t get a paycut.”
    Why do these Yankee imports come here thinking they will be treated like Jeter. Damon sounds like Sheffield now!

  75. Tarheelyank January 30th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    “Any time, Tar. That’s just my personal list, though.”

    I rank your ranks way up there. Some of those other ranks are “rank” if you know what I mean.

  76. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    In this day and age, there is nothing that hasn’t been written about athletes like Jeter, Rivera, Mantle…

    You’ll never see anything that’s truly original, anymore, unless it’s a one of a kind, face-to-face interview with Rivera or someone else. Unless it’s a story about what his kids eat for breakfast, almost all stories Rivera are repeats of some sort.

  77. pat January 30th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    I see GB shares my love for Reggie. :wink:

    I could appreciate his game but he always annoyed me and still does.

  78. Tom in NJ January 30th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    GB, I think that Murphydog may have a plagerism case against you. His 2:53pm post sounds a lot like yours…

  79. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    Tarheelyank
    January 30th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
    “Any time, Tar. That’s just my personal list, though.”

    I rank your ranks way up there. Some of those other ranks are “rank” if you know what I mean.

    ————————————————————

    Thanks, Tar. I enjoy “the greatest” lists, too, but, I’d prefer them with some thought and reason behind them. That wouldn’t include one game or one series as a reason for greatness. Like Maris, he had the one great feat, but, he wasn’t a great player. Injuries and an early retirement ended that…much like Mattingly, Munson or from another team, Puckett. All three were outstanding, though. They just never got the chance to be great in the context of all-time greats.

  80. murphydog January 30th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    “GB, I think that Murphydog may have a plagerism case against you. His 2:53pm post sounds a lot like yours…”

    Great [old] Minds think alike. That’s how we know we’re right and everybody else is wrong.

  81. lets go yankees January 30th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    “You’re really overreacting, by the way. Any particular reason?”

    —————————–

    I am not really trying to overreact, if that how it sounds. Some people in the last thread raised concerns about the post and many people quickly dismissed them. I thought it was an interesting discussion, so I just added to my opinion to it.

    I understand it is tough to be original, but it is not really a valid excuse at least in my mind. That is why there are so few successful writers and journalists.

    Also, I enjoy reading this blog more then ever since Chad took over and IMO it does not reflect really well on him to have used that as a guest post given the Posnanski article, so I wanted to let him know that. It would have been interesting as well if Chad posted in response to all this from his perspective as a writer and if he knew about the Posnanski article.

  82. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Tom in NJ
    January 30th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
    GB, I think that Murphydog may have a plagerism case against you. His 2:53pm post sounds a lot like yours…

    ————————————————————

    I had my idea first. Murph just has typing skills on his side.

  83. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    pat
    January 30th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
    I see GB shares my love for Reggie.

    I could appreciate his game but he always annoyed me and still does.

    ————————————————————

    He was a thrilling home run hitter, with, as you said, timing. As an overall great, he was lacking. His defense after his first 5 years in the majors, stunk, mainly because he seemed to not care about it for some reason. He stole a lot of bases, but, he got thrown out a lot, too.

  84. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    murphydog
    January 30th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
    “GB, I think that Murphydog may have a plagerism case against you. His 2:53pm post sounds a lot like yours…”

    Great [old] Minds think alike. That’s how we know we’re right and everybody else is wrong.

    ————————————————————

    I’m still trying to decide which one of us should be more insulted by that comparison of minds.

  85. Doreen January 30th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    GB7 -

    I was the one who said he had awesome timing. :)

  86. Tom in NJ January 30th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    HA!

  87. murphydog January 30th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    lets go yankees:

    I’m sure Chad and everybody else appreciate your vigilance. But opining that it does not reflect really well on him to have used that as a guest post given the Posnanski article is kind of a tough stance to take without some serious journo or legal cred to back it up, no? IMO, it’s kind of a shot at Chad that I’m not sure was merited, rather than an opinion on who is better suited to the pen.

  88. Chad Jennings January 30th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    Just to chime in on the Posnanski article and it’s connection to Rebecca’s post…

    Both use Hemingway as a lead into the story, but these are ultimately two very different things. Posnanski wrote about Rivera himself, Rebecca wrote about her own connection to Rivera. I don’t, in any way, think Rebecca tried to rip off the Posnanski article. The two writings start at the same place but go very different directions.

  89. murphydog January 30th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    “I had my idea first. Murph just has typing skills on his side.”

    I consider speling my strenght.

  90. Pat M. January 30th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    1960….Yankee Staduim in color….Yanks vs. Tigers, sat a few rows back in rightfield, right behind Maris & Kaline…Little did I know that in 10 years I’d be playing a Legion All-Star game on the very same field…By then they painted the Stadium white with blue seats……George Harrison after the trial went on to buy Bright Music and fired Allen Klien……Rebecca, you hit a homerun today, and dismiss all the chumps who envy your talents

  91. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Doreen
    January 30th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
    GB7 -

    I was the one who said he had awesome timing.

    ————————————————————

    Sorry, Doreen. You’ll look alike to me.

  92. Bronx Born January 30th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    The only common denominator between Joe and Rebecca is the use of Hemingway. Other than that they are two very different articles. Rebecca’s was very poetic and about her “personal” relationship with Mo. Joe’s was an article about Mo. Don’t see how she took anything from him.

  93. Bronx Jeers January 30th, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    Jeopardy Question:

    The human bridge that connects Metallica to Frank Sinatra.

    Who is Mariano Rivera?

  94. Doreen January 30th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    GB7 =

    That we do.

    :)

    But I thought it was important to point out because I don’t dislike Reggie. Something about him is fascinating to me. I know he’s an attention vacuum type, but I liked him before he was a Yankee.

  95. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    Pat M.
    January 30th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
    1960….Yankee Staduim in color….Yanks vs. Tigers, sat a few rows back in rightfield, right behind Maris & Kaline…Little did I know that in 10 years I’d be playing a Legion All-Star game on the very same field…By then they painted the Stadium white with blue seats……George Harrison after the trial went on to buy Bright Music and fired Allen Klien……Rebecca, you hit a homerun today, and dismiss all the chumps who envy your talents

    ————————————————————

    Lucky you, Pat. You got an up close and personal with 2 of the 3 best right fielders of that era. I went to a game in Detroit in September of 1960 (Sep 10th to be exact). sat behind the Yankee dugout along first base. Got to see Mantle, Maris, Colavito and Kaline chatting in front of me, just before game time. Big thrill for an 11 year old from Michigan. I remember the game date well because of what happened. Great game….Bob Turley vs Paul Foytack…5-1 score NYY. Gil McDougal hit two homers. The star attraction was a 3 run bomb by Mantle in the 7th inning. it left the park over the right center roof, about 75 feet left of where Jackson hit the transformer in the All-Star Game. It cleared the street on the fly with 3 guys watching it land.

  96. GrouchoNYY January 30th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Pat M beat me to it, but I grew up before color television. My first game was in 1953. I’ll never forget seeing the field for the first-all that green color, the great expanse. It’s why I still love entering with a new fan into the upper deck. It’s truly breathtaking. One of my sons is mentally handicapped but a great Yankees fan. I remember worrying about taking him to his first game. When we got there, his reaction was the same as mine, and countless others, sheer joy. He’s better behaved there than almost any other place. Just keep the hot dogs rolling.

    His first game, the Yankees were being beaten badly by the Twins, 7-0 at the the end of six innings. I decided to leave, figuring that his behavior could go at any time, so we left. Driving home to LI, I had the game on. By the time we got home the Yankees were winning 12-7 courtesy of Juan Berenguer and other Twin relievers who kept throwing gasoline on the fire. My son has never allowed me to leave early ever again.

  97. lets go yankees January 30th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    “But opining that it does not reflect really well on him to have used that as a guest post given the Posnanski article is kind of a tough stance to take without some serious journo or legal cred to back it up, no? IMO, it’s kind of a shot at Chad that I’m not sure was merited, rather than an opinion on who is better suited to the pen”

    ——————————-

    I did not mean to insult Chad, and if that is the case I apologize. I in no way think Rebecca had the wrong intentions or if even the Posnanski article crossed her mind when writing hers.

    To me, after reading her article and the Posnanski article, I did not see the differences some here do or if I do, I do not think it is different enough. And it was not as if I was standing alone on an island here. Several people posted their concerns before I even commented on the subject.

    FWIW, I did substantial research on copyright infringement (not the case here, but plagiarism is often handled in the same light/to the same standards) in relation to the JD Salinger suit from last year I referenced above.

  98. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    Doreen
    January 30th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
    GB7 =

    That we do.

    But I thought it was important to point out because I don’t dislike Reggie. Something about him is fascinating to me. I know he’s an attention vacuum type, but I liked him before he was a Yankee

    ————————————————————

    I didn’t dislike Jackson…just didn’t care one way or another, except how he did in the games.

  99. austinmac January 30th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    My first game(s) at the stadium was a doubleheader against the Kansas City A’s in 1961. Whitey Ford pitched one game and Maris hit home run number 47 or 48. I was hooked for a lifetime.

  100. austinmac January 30th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    It looks like Gomes is signing a minor league deal with the Reds. That seemingly leaves Baldelli of the cheap right handed hitting OFs. I think Baldelli is worth a risk.

  101. Doreen January 30th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    GB7

    Okay. :)

  102. lets go yankees January 30th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    CAIRO projections. I think Yankee fans will be quite happy… And from a quick look, they seem pretty damn good all around

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  103. SJ44 January 30th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    For those who suggest Rebecca ripped off Posnanski, might I suggest you attempt to write something on your own.

    She didn’t rip off Pos. She talked about HER personal connection to Rivera.

    There are days the habitual contrarians on this blog turn this place into a sewer.

    Rebecca is one of the original members of this blog.

    The last thing she is about is ripping people off.

    Have a little respect. It’s ok, it won’t hurt anybody.

  104. mike eff January 30th, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    “I am not really trying to overreact, if that how it sounds.”

    i’d use the word obsession….

  105. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    I’m absolutely shocked to see someone quote Hemingway in an article about a Yankee player. It’s probably only happened 40-50 times about players.

    It gets used on this board more often than I can count. In fact, it was used twice is one form or another about 2 nights ago.

    Perhaps the whiners can write their own articles and submit them. I’ll be happy to accuse you all of plagerism and rip it to shreds.

  106. Bronx Born January 30th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Aside from all the B.S., Rebecca wrote a beautiful heart-felt piece and I loved it.

  107. mike eff ( lurkers for Rebecca) January 30th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    thank you SJ!

  108. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 30th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    test

  109. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 30th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Chad – can you PLEASE check to see why my darned post keeps getting caught in the censor. It is REALLY ticking me off!

    (By the way, the most recent is a very abridged version of the original, trying to ask people if they can figure out the offending elision!!!)

  110. SJ44 January 30th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    The difference between plagerism in the literary world and sports world is vast. The two aren’t analagous.

    Might I suggest you research sports plagerism cases because they are more germiane to the topic.

    Courts have held over the years that not all writings are created equal.

    You won’t find many cases because of the interpretive nature of sportswriting.

    It’s why a projected civil case on this issue would never get off the ground.

  111. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 30th, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Thanks Chad.

    :)

    I meant to add that to my post.

  112. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    trisha – OPPC forever – (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS!
    January 30th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
    Chad – can you PLEASE check to see why my darned post keeps getting caught in the censor. It is REALLY ticking me off!

    (By the way, the most recent is a very abridged version of the original, trying to ask people if they can figure out the offending elision!!!)

    ————————————————————

    Perhaps it’s your lack of typos that cause the problems, Trisha. I’ll be happy to teach you my secrets.

  113. Bronx Jeers January 30th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    “…and also because Salinger loved to sue people for copyright infringement even as recently as 2009.”

    Funny just a few days ago a stole a Salinger title and put it in comment.

    Turns out he stole it from Sappho.

  114. DT - OPPC member January 30th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    I’m really nervous about posting now.

    I’m so afraid I’ll make a typo and GreenBeet7 will nail me for copyright infringement.

  115. DT - OPPC member January 30th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    oops. that should be GreenBeret7.

    now I’ve done it.
    maybe we can settle out of court. I wonder how many candy cigs this will cost me.

  116. Chad Jennings January 30th, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    New post.

  117. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 30th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Holy crap, I even tried to reverse the order and it would not let me! Okay, I am going to type four words, in four separate posts. It is the third word in front of the fourth word that seems to be the offender. See if you can figure out some filthy elision in the combination.

  118. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 30th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    is

  119. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 30th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    a

  120. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 30th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo....._zone.html

    So fans have every right to wonder if the chemistry will be the same. You can go all the way back to the 1986 Mets, who never had quite the same bulletproof bravado after management dumped heart-and-soul guys Ray Knight and Kevin Mitchell, deciding that Kevin McReynolds – talk about joyless – was a better fit.

    Only it’s hard to imagine that will be the case here. By all accounts, GM Brian Cashman has added high-character, high-intensity guys in players such as Curtis Granderson, Nick Johnson and Randy Winn to a clubhouse that is now full of players who share Derek Jeter and Jorge Posada’s commitment to winning.

    With that in mind, you can argue with Cashman’s reasoning for moving on without Damon – or Matsui, for that matter – but you can’t argue that his moves this winter have helped put his ballclub in position to build on last season’s success.

    Who’s kidding whom? The Yankees are loaded.

    On pitching alone it’s impossible to imagine them not making the playoffs. The Big Three carried the Bombers through the playoffs, and now nobody in baseball will have a better No. 4 starter than Javier Vazquez, while Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes each figure to take another step forward, Joba free at last of innings restrictions, Hughes finally a proven commodity.

    Such pitching depth, delivered via the trade with the Braves for Vazquez, is a small price to pay for Cabrera, even if he did add to the 2009 karma that helped make it a special season for the Yankees.

    Of course, there could very well be big moments in October when you’d kill to have Damon or Matsui at the plate instead of Granderson or Johnson. We’ll see about that clutch gene with the new guys.

    But the postseason is the postseason. And until then the issue isn’t whether the jettisoning of World Series heroes, particularly Damon, will dramatically affect this ballclub in 2010.

    Indeed, if there is an issue, it’s simply age and the potential for injuries.

  121. lets go yankees January 30th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    SJ and GB,

    Someone accused me of overreacting, but you two are taking it to a whole new level. I for one never accused Rebecca of “ripping off” Posnanski. In fact I stated several times that I am sure Rebecca’s intentions were genuine.

    It is funny though, because several of the guest posters here have been heavily criticized, much more then Rebecca has, and there was not a peep from anyone about criticizing people. Chad and Sam are criticized on a daily basis, and I do not think we even have to get into how much Pete was when he was around. Rebecca should not be held any different. Just because we all may like her, the work she does on her blog, and her writing does not mean she is immune from criticism. It comes with the territory. If all this blog was nice post Chad! Great work Sam! it would be pretty boring around here. And, finally no one has personally attacked Rebecca. Others, like myself have simply raised their concerns about her article, which is perfectly fair.

    SJ,

    the reason you will not find many cases is because no one like Posnanski would ever file a suit over a 3 page article her wrote, not because journalists often do not have merit to do so. There is simply too little to gain and too much to lose from doing so.

    And GB7,

    The whole tough guy, I am always right thing is getting a little old. Many days around here you are the first to personally attack someone. Everyone here has different opinions and that is why this blog is interesting to read.

  122. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 30th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    the third word will not even post!

    Okay the fourth word is rabbit.

    The word in front of it is the “b” word. It rhymes with funny.

    Okay try this:

    Is a funny rabbit. Now substitute the b word. That caused the post to get caught in the censor.

    Anyone?

  123. Vince -Yankeefan in Chicago January 30th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Late 70′s maybe 77 or 78 with my cousins from Jersey.

    One was a Met fan and one was a Yankee fan, but both were huge baseball fans.
    As was I, even at the young age of 9 or 10.

    My cousins, who were twins, to me were larger than life.
    And when they took me to Yankee Stadium,for the first time I realized it (The Stadium),
    and the N.Y. Yankees were larger than life too.

    We entered behind home plate sat in the
    upper deck and when we walked through the little entrance I was in complete awe of Yankee
    stadium in all its glory.
    Old Comiskey didn’t have nothing on this place.
    And since that day I
    have been a Yankee fan, and everyday since I have lived,loved,laughed,and bled Yankee baseball.

    Family friends and co-workers my entire life have never really understood it. They never will. And I think deep down I don’t want them too.

    Living in Chicago my whole life, born on the south side, living walking distance from old comiskey, I have seen my share of white sox baseball.
    I have followed the Cubs as well. Although I have never been to Wrigley field.

  124. DT - OPPC member January 30th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    “What’s up Doc?” *

    * ripped off from Bugs Funny.

    hmmmm… works fine here.

  125. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    lets go yankees
    January 30th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
    SJ and GB,

    Someone accused me of overreacting, but you two are taking it to a whole new level. I for one never accused Rebecca of “ripping off” Posnanski. In fact I stated several times that I am sure Rebecca’s intentions were genuine.

    ————————————————————

    Look, you little twit. I didn’t accuse you of anything. I will accuse you of a guilty conscience, though.

  126. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 30th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    This is crazy!!

    I can type funny rabbit

    I cannot type b*nny rabbit without using the asterisk!

  127. lets go yankees January 30th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    “Look, you little twit. I didn’t accuse you of anything. I will accuse you of a guilty conscience, though.”

    ————————

    Like I said the tough guy act is getting old. Name calling over an anonymous internet blog is ridiculous and I am not going to sink to that level of maturity.

    What do I have a guilty conscience about?

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