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See you in a week

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 31, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

We’re a little more than two weeks from spring training, and before that chaos begins, I’m taking a week off, beginning Monday. I’ll be back to cover the week leading to spring training, and I’ll fly to Tampa two weeks from Tuesday.

You’ll still see my name on the morning guest posts, but only because those are set ahead of time. Otherwise, I’m taking a few days away from the blog. Frankly, the place will be in even better hands with Sam running the show.

See you all in a week. Until then, hold tight. Pitchers and catchers are probably packing their bags as we speak.

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127 Responses to “See you in a week”

  1. Rishi January 31st, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    Enjoy your time off, Chad. We’re expecting great things from you when you have the opportunity to take us through the whole season!!! :)

  2. m January 31st, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    As long as Sam bans the guy pawning his knock off shoes and handbags, I’ll be happy!

    Just kidding, Chad (but not about the guy pawning his wares).

  3. pat January 31st, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    Enjoy the R &R. We’ll be here when you get back!

  4. pat January 31st, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    The Grammy Awards Show is like other peoples kids to me now.

    It reminds me how old I am when I see them. :sad:

  5. pat January 31st, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    Joba on Mike’d Up

  6. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    With goat…

  7. EricNS January 31st, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    Enjoy – don’t be surprised in Damon signs while you are gone but you need and deserve this vacation to get ready for the season!

  8. vin February 1st, 2010 at 12:13 am

    Enjoy the time off, Chad. I hope your time off was elective, and not a mandatory furlough. I know Pete did one last year, and I’ll be beginning mine from my job next week (90 days!).

  9. Andy Stankiewicz February 1st, 2010 at 1:19 am

    EricNS
    January 31st, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    Enjoy – don’t be surprised in Damon signs while you are gone but you need and deserve this vacation to get ready for the season!
    ———-

    No joke, I think it’ll happen in ST when they finally trade Mitre after he manages to keep his ERA under 3 pitching in split squad games

  10. Dr Mustard February 1st, 2010 at 1:50 am

    Damon is close to signing with the Rays

  11. Andy Stankiewicz February 1st, 2010 at 2:13 am

    Dr Mustard
    February 1st, 2010 at 1:50 am

    Damon is close to signing with the Rays
    ——–

    Where you seein’ this?

  12. m February 1st, 2010 at 2:33 am

    Wondering the same.

  13. Paco Dooley February 1st, 2010 at 4:34 am

    Damon to the Rays, if true, is bad news for Johnny. The carpet and difficult dimensions in Tampa are going to make him look like a bad investment and he’ll be even worse off next year when he returns to freeagency. Turning down the Yankees reasonable (actually generous in retrospect) offer was very stupid///

  14. RonH February 1st, 2010 at 5:28 am

    Enjoy the well deserved time off, Chad!

  15. Doreen February 1st, 2010 at 6:36 am

    Enjoy the break, Chad.

    Both Tampa and Toronto have carpet. Neither one would be good for Damon from that standpoint. But, then again, at this point, I’m not sure I care.

    No, you know what? I don’t so much care as I’m mildly interested.

  16. Doreen February 1st, 2010 at 6:40 am

    I just realized – last night I had a dream that I had a rooster and a duck on my property. Thanks, a lot, Rooster Shamblin! LOL Your blog was the last thing I read before going to sleep. Gotta find some better dream material. :lol:

  17. Fran (the original) and OPPC member February 1st, 2010 at 7:18 am

    Enjoy your vacation Chad.

  18. blake February 1st, 2010 at 7:30 am

    If the Rays sign Damon and then did what they should do, (sit Burrell on the bench and let Johnny DH) then it would make them a better team and make them more of a threat in the AL East.

    Not critizing the stance they took with Damon but if the Rays signed him and then went on to finish higher than the Yankees then Cash and Hal might have some splainin to do (not particuarly by me but Yankee fans in general).

  19. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2010 at 7:37 am

    “Not critizing the stance they took with Damon but if the Rays signed him and then went on to finish higher than the Yankees then Cash and Hal might have some splainin to do (not particuarly by me but Yankee fans in general).”

    What if he signs (it’s all hypothetical at this point) for less than the Yankees offered?

  20. upstate kate February 1st, 2010 at 7:43 am

    If Damon does sign w/ the Rays, given their budget, wouldn’t it be for less? At some point in time JD has to realize there isn’t a market for him, and at least he would be near home.

  21. Frank February 1st, 2010 at 7:50 am

    “Damon to the Rays, if true, is bad news for Johnny. The carpet and difficult dimensions in Tampa are going to make him look like a bad investment and he’ll be even worse off next year when he returns to freeagency.”

    He’d be a DH for the most part if he goes there. As for his free agency, he had an excellent year in ’09 and it did nothing for him as a free agent. No matter what he does in 2010, there’s no reason to think his free agency is going to go any better next offseason.

  22. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2010 at 7:50 am

    Les than the 2 years at $7m per season, but probably more, at least in terms of real dollars, than the $6m with $3m deferred (supposedly without interest). They do get revenue sharing money, so they should have some funds available.

    But if that’s what happens, it would be on Damon. So I don’t think that Hal/Cash would have to explain anything.

    The one thing you can criticize the Yankees for is that they didn’t keep that final offer on the table rather than sign Winn, who was not a must sign.

  23. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2010 at 7:53 am

    ” No matter what he does in 2010, there’s no reason to think his free agency is going to go any better next offseason.”

    That’s probably true, but the overall economy could improve (I’m skeptical for reasons I won’t get into here), and/or MLB GMs could come to the conclusion that older players are an undervalued asset, and as a result offer more money. Alternatively, Damon could demonstrate that his defensive decline in 2009 wasn’t reflective of his true talent.

  24. Frank February 1st, 2010 at 7:54 am

    “The one thing you can criticize the Yankees for is that they didn’t keep that final offer on the table rather than sign Winn, who was not a must sign”

    How long were they supposed to wait? They offered $6M, albeit a bogus $6M given half of it was deferred. Damon and Co didn’t even deem the offer response-worthy. At that point, you say “screw him” and move on.

  25. upstate kate February 1st, 2010 at 7:58 am

    Winn wasn’t a “must sign”, but didn’t he have another offer on the table?

  26. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2010 at 8:00 am

    Right, but they could have passed on Winn and not been hurt.

  27. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2010 at 8:04 am

    “How long were they supposed to wait? They offered $6M, albeit a bogus $6M given half of it was deferred. Damon and Co didn’t even deem the offer response-worthy. At that point, you say “screw him” and move on.”

    I actually think it was a bona fide offer, but I also think signing Winn was a negative. I don’t take negotiations personally. Even though I believe 90% of the blame is on Damon. I see no reason why they couldn’t have left the offer open.

  28. Frank February 1st, 2010 at 8:05 am

    You could be right about the economy, Rich, though I’m with you in not believing it bounces all the way back by next offseason. As for the value of older players in the game, I really don’t see their perceived value bouncing back. In the testing era, I see the game being more about the younger players. Seems to me the trend of late is more money allotted to scouting/the draft and long term contracts to established younger players (it’s a long list, but Felix Hernandez and Josh Johnson are two more recent notables).

    Not saying there is no room for the mid-late thirty-somethings out there, but I think that those guys are going to be looking at 1 year deals, two if they’re lucky, at $6M-$9M per season at best going forward.

  29. Frank February 1st, 2010 at 8:06 am

    “I actually think it was a bona fide offer”

    Me too, I just meant it wasn’t a real $6M when half is deferred without interest.

  30. Andy Stankiewicz February 1st, 2010 at 8:06 am

    I just don’t see how a team with the budget concerns that Tampa has would just eat Burrell’s contract and bring Damon on. If they find a taker for him, that’s one thing. Otherwise? There’s just no way. To put it into perspective, look at what we think of Kei Igawa making $4 million in AAA, then imagine a team like the Rays paying a guy double that amount to just sit around in the dugout.

    Hate to say it ’cause I wanted him back, but Damon is going to spend the rest of his playing days/retirement lamenting how his/Boras’ idiotic decisions this offseason derailed the rest of his career.

  31. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 1st, 2010 at 8:10 am

    Hmmm. Was it another “b” word, this time the word that describes a hobo? Was the censor worried I was going to use that rabbit word again??? What’s frustrating is that you can’t go back a screen anymore to retrieve what you posted!

    Well okay! blake, I basically said that the Yankees have NO splainin to do ever because only the most dull-witted fan would be unable to understand that what Damon does with another team has NOTHING to do with what Damon would have done in the Bronx. It’s like saying that the Yankees have to explain if LAA ends up with a better record than the Yankees (Matsui) or if the Tigers beat the Yankees in the postseason (Coke) and on and on. Why is this any different? The answer is, it isn’t. The Yankees aren’t responsible for what happens when a player leaves the Bronx and especially in this case, when they refused to OVERPAY for the services of a pretty broken-down 37-year-old who can no longer play every day!

    That said, if what you said were to happen, would that make a field day for the press and whip some Damon supporters into an “I told you so” frenzy? Probably.

    I also said that unlike Doreen on this one, I’m not even mildly interested in what happens to Damon. If some team pays him three times what he was asking for the next hundred years and he helps them win a world series ring for the next hundred years, I swear my response would be the same each year. YAWN!!!

    One thing I do really well is move on. In this case I have gone into the negative numbers in interest, probably because broken-down players attempting to hold the Yankees hostage make me cringe as opposed to sit up and pay attention.

    Just sayin’

  32. Andy Stankiewicz February 1st, 2010 at 8:12 am

    Rich, good points about the economy. I actually see it getting worse, which could also explain Damon’s “greed” this offseason. He may have seen the handwriting on the wall and realized this was his last shot at a big payday. He went for it and obviously it didn’t work out. Maybe he milks more out of someone else, but I just don’t see it.

  33. upstate kate February 1st, 2010 at 8:13 am

    Does anyone know if MLB revenues were actually down last year? Or is the economy a convenient excuse?

  34. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 1st, 2010 at 8:14 am

    The Yankees have zero explaining to do even if Damon signs with the Sox and they win the WS. Too bad if the fans are upset at the Yankees stance – the Yankees did nothing wrong.

  35. randy l. February 1st, 2010 at 8:15 am

    “older players are an undervalued asset”

    rich in nj-

    what’s the obsession with undervalued assets?

    i’ve found in my small business that being generous with the right employees makes the overall business more successful.

    isn’t the obsession with finding undervalued assets really an obsession with paying players less than they are worth?

    how about simply looking for good players and paying them what they are worth and making everyone happy.

    i think a team that has a successful business model will win more by sharing the profits the team makes and not trying to nickel and dime players.

    for example, even though the red sox lean towards towards a high payroll, they tend towards trying to pay less than a player is worth and i think over time this is counterproductive. players will say they are fine with things in the short run, but over time there is a lot of bad feelings below the surface with the resulting dissension that affects the win/loss record.

    i say pay players what they are worth. share the wealth and win as a team.

    isn’t this trend of looking for undervalued assets really just a way for ownership and management to devalue their employees and keep more money for themselves?

  36. upstate kate February 1st, 2010 at 8:16 am

    Betsy
    on another topic, did you see the most recent Yankees Magazine? They featured Phil Hughes as one of the defining moments of the 2009 season.

  37. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 1st, 2010 at 8:18 am

    When I say I’m not interested I mean I am not interested in what happens to Damon. I am interested in what people here have to say about it though since I am interested in this forum!

    :)

    Rich in NJ

    Why did they sign Winn? I am guessing they value what he has to offer. The Yankees don’t typically go out and spend money for someone they think will be a noncontributor. Of course I would think it was even funnier if they did it purely as a way to get Damon off their backs, ha ha.

    I am thinking that the Yankees feel comfortable with the offense they have at this point in time and wanted to bring in a veteran outfielder who could help with defense. A one-year deal makes the most sense to them if they are thinking about a long-term deal for someone who will be available next year.

  38. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 1st, 2010 at 8:18 am

    Why should the Yankees have kept that offer on the table? They waited plenty long enough. Fans may not like Winn, but the Yankees did and that’s the only thing that counts. To say he wasn’t a must-sign is missing the point – Damon didn’t even respond to Cash’s $6 million offer. What does that tell you? I honestly don’t understand why the Yankees are being criticized at all

  39. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 1st, 2010 at 8:20 am

    Frank, sorry, but $6 million is still $6 million – just because 3 of it is deferred. How exactly is this $$ bogus?

  40. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 1st, 2010 at 8:22 am

    Upstate Kate, I’ve been missing YM lately as it’s on at weird times. I think I saw it, but I’m not going to go out of my way to see it if I didn’t. I really don’t want Phil in the pen again and the idea of him being a set up man for 2010 annoys me. I hope he shows up to camp early like he usually does……

  41. upstate kate February 1st, 2010 at 8:23 am

    One thing I will give Cash and Girardi for. Despite letting players go, they have never said anything bad about those players. In contrast to a certain other organization, the Yankees have spoken highly of the former players they have chosen not to re-sign.

  42. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 1st, 2010 at 8:24 am

    “Why should the Yankees have kept that offer on the table? They waited plenty long enough. Fans may not like Winn, but the Yankees did and that’s the only thing that counts”

    Wow Betsy you are rocking! You said it all right here.

  43. upstate kate February 1st, 2010 at 8:25 am

    Betsy
    YM wasn’t suggesting Phil should be in the pen this year, just highlighting how valuable he was in that role last year.

  44. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 1st, 2010 at 8:28 am

    Kate, I know…..I just don’t want to see any more stuff about Phil to the pen. Also, the year ended badly for him and I can’t help thinking about that.

  45. Frank February 1st, 2010 at 8:28 am

    “Frank, sorry, but $6 million is still $6 million – just because 3 of it is deferred. How exactly is this $$ bogus?”

    Becuase it’s not worth $6 million. $6 million right now is worth $6 million. $6 million with half of it deferred at no interest is worth less than $6M.

  46. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 1st, 2010 at 8:28 am

    I mean, personal stats-wise; he blew up in the playoffs, on and off the field.

  47. 86w183 February 1st, 2010 at 8:28 am

    I don’t think Damon was greedy; he (and Boras) just really misread the market.

    Tampa Bay would be surprising since they are set in LF and are spending $ 8 Million on Pat Burrell as a DH. The only place either of them could play would be 1B, and they are in pretty good shape there, too.

    It would be a bad baseball signing to ink Damon, but would be an effective let’s tick off the Yankees move.

    Winn, by all accounts had a similar offer from Washington so the Yanks had to move on him. If they get the Randy Winn of pre-2009 he’ll be a great addition. If they get the Randy Winn of last year he’ll be late inning defense and pinch running.

    Enjoy the week off Chad.

  48. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 1st, 2010 at 8:30 am

    Betsy and Kate, I think it’s kind of interesting that so many people took a hit when they insisted that Joba would be better out of the pen. Obviously I don’t know that it will happen, but it is a possibility. I never took sides on that one because I understood both sides of it.

    From what I’ve seen from both, I would trust Phil more as a starter, at least at this point in time. Joba has dynamite stuff but I could easily see that harnassed to blow hitters away toward the end of the game. I just think Phil has the temperament and maturity, not to mention the pitching, to be a starter. Joba to me could certainly be a starter if he could work things out but I do love the way his stuff translates in the bullpen.

  49. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 1st, 2010 at 8:31 am

    The other $3 million would still be paid to Damon, so it’s still $3 million, so I don’t agree.

  50. blake February 1st, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Trisha,
    I’m not even saying that they made the wrong move with Damon. I would have liked to have him back but only at a fair price (not a premium one in relation to other teams..

    My point was that if he signs with the Rays and does well there and the Rays do well then the media will have a field day, especially if he signs for less than the Yankees offered.

    Rich, I also agree that perhaps they could have left the 1/6 offer on the table a little longer although I do think its possible that Winn could bounce back next year and make Cashman look like a genious.

  51. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 1st, 2010 at 8:32 am

    I doubt the Yankees would get ticked off; why would they? They did the best they could and it’s time to move.

  52. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2010 at 8:34 am

    randy l.

    “isn’t the obsession with finding undervalued assets really an obsession with paying players less than they are worth?”

    That’s the point. If you find an undervalued asset then in your opinion that asset is being paid less than they are worth (as defined by supply and demand), and as a result, you are likely to pay them more than they currently earn.

    “isn’t this trend of looking for undervalued assets really just a way for ownership and management to devalue their employees and keep more money for themselves?”

    It’s not like players have to sign for x dollars if they are offered x+1 somewhere else.

  53. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 1st, 2010 at 8:34 am

    Trish, temperment means nothing to me on the mound. IMO, there is no such thing as a “starter” or “reliever” temperment (I’ll leave it there as I don’t want to offend anyone with what I really think of it, lol). Joba did not impress me out of the pen last year – I really don’t know why everyone thought he was so great in the playoffs. He wasn’t – he was better than Phil, who was terrible.

  54. Frank February 1st, 2010 at 8:36 am

    “I don’t think Damon was greedy; he (and Boras) just really misread the market.”

    Little bit of the former, about 90% of the latter.

    If his conversation with Francessa was any indication, Damon still isn’t reading the market right. He still seemed thoroughly convinced that “a player of my caliber” should not be asked to take a 45%-%50% cut in pay.

  55. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 1st, 2010 at 8:36 am

    Boras seems to be pretty good at misreading the market. If he were my agent I think I would be a little more vigilant about taking control since he has led several players down the primrose path of late, starting with Arod in 2007!

  56. Erin February 1st, 2010 at 8:37 am

    A reminder to everyone that Nick Swisher will be on tonight’s episode fo How I Met Your Mother!! :D

  57. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 1st, 2010 at 8:38 am

    If Damon signs for less than the Yankees offered, that’s not the Yankees fault and if the usual loser mediots want to get on Cash’s case, let them. If he signs for less than the Yankees offered, it’s because he had no choice – no one is paying him that much $$$. Anyone that kills the Yankees for moving on at this point (after getting rebuffed continuously by Damon) is silly (and that’s being kind). Damon sure talks a lot – he talked (or his wife did) about having 3 offers on the table (sure he did) and he still talks about possibly returning mid-season. That’s a laugh.

  58. upstate kate February 1st, 2010 at 8:39 am

    Trish
    I would like to see both of them given the opportunity to start. Joba did seem to be more of the old Joba when he was in the pen at the end of the season.

  59. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2010 at 8:40 am

    trisha

    “Why did they sign Winn? I am guessing they value what he has to offer. The Yankees don’t typically go out and spend money for someone they think will be a noncontributor. Of course I would think it was even funnier if they did it purely as a way to get Dam
    on off their backs, ha ha.”

    You’re right. They probably think that his terrible 2009 season was not reflective of his true talent, probably because his LD% was higher than it has ever been in his career, and because they value his defense.

    My point is simply that he wasn’t a must have, so I would have been willing to lose him and wait out Damon.

  60. upstate kate February 1st, 2010 at 8:42 am

    thanks Erin
    I haven’t seen HIMYM yet, I guess this would be a good night to watch.

  61. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 1st, 2010 at 8:42 am

    I think that what Joba has, his explosive stuff, works well out of the pen, where he can really tank up and blow it by hitters for a shorter period of time. I think Phil’s stuff is more solid in a controlled fashion (I see him as a finesse pitcher) and that coupled with his maturity leads me to believe his stuff translates better over more innings than Joba’s does. I still see Joba as an excited kid.

    JMO

  62. pat February 1st, 2010 at 8:44 am

    Rays giving Johnny anywhere from $4-$7M would make him the 5th highest paid player on the team behind only Pena($10M), Crawford($10M), Burrell($9M) and Soriano ($7M).

    Johnny could spin less than $7M as not as much a pay cut because he could commute it from his home in Orlando and cut out secondary housing expense and being able to see his kids.

    With Burrell still there though, that would be like 15-20% of total payroll tied up in a DH and bench player.

  63. Frank February 1st, 2010 at 8:46 am

    “Boras seems to be pretty good at misreading the market. If he were my agent I think I would be a little more vigilant about taking control since he has led several players down the primrose path of late, starting with Arod in 2007!”

    Arod is a bad example. Boras/Arod made out like a bandit on that one despite the Yankees being the only team in on the bidding.

    That said, he’s done some clients wrong in the past. Damon is certainly one of them. Having Varitek pass on arbitration last year was another. Few years back when I Rodriguez was still a good catcher, Boras’ tactics boxed him in to the point where he had to take a one year deal.

  64. Erin February 1st, 2010 at 8:47 am

    upstate kate
    February 1st, 2010 at 8:42 am
    thanks Erin
    I haven’t seen HIMYM yet, I guess this would be a good night to watch.

    ***************************
    kate, I’ve never seen it either, but I’m really looking forward to it tonight!

  65. randy l. February 1st, 2010 at 8:49 am

    damon would have been a valuable 120+/- game player during the regular season and a full time player during the playoffs if he was kept healthy during the regular season by playing only 120 games.

    how much would that have been worth? it’s a relative question because if the yankees wouldn’t have been so loaded offensively as it is he would have been worth more to them.

    personally, i think damon should have stuck with the yankees taking less in the short run to make more in the long run.

    he had the potential to make more in the long run by making a run for 3000 hits in the best media market in the country, by being on more championship teams, and basically being in the limelight which would enhance his chances for the hall of fame.

    damon will probably find himself hitting a wall around 2900 hits and might not make 3000 hits, but even coming that close with the yankees, being known as a clutch world series player by doing things like his double steal in the 2009 series would enhance his chances of getting his plaque in Cooperstown.

    there has to be a monetary value in being in the hall of fame especially going in as a yankee.

    i think damon should have taken a step back and thought of his long term financial gain and worked out a deal with the yankees to have a slowly declining role each year yet be a key player during the postseason right to the very end.

    but it didn’t happen. both the yankees and damon will be playing baseball this year so its not the end of the world for either.

  66. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? February 1st, 2010 at 8:50 am

    I think the Yankees went above and beyond in trying to work something out with Damon. At every turn, Damon was apparently not willing to truly negotiate. Who’s to say that the 2/$14 million would not have turned into 2/$15 or 16 or 17 million? The Yankees were looking at Abreu’s 2/$19 million as the benchmark. Damon didn’t budge. This is on Damon/Boras, not on the Yankees.

    I don’t believe the Yankees are incapable of making mistakes. But I also don’t think they make capricious decisions. Many of us may not see why Winn, but I highly doubt the Yankees took a dart and threw it at a white board with names to select the person. If it works out, that’s great, but you’re always ALWAYS taking a chance that what you do won’t work out (see any number of trades/signings gone wrong). I do think the Yankees have more information at their fingertips than any of us has.

    Randy l -

    I get what you’re saying, but if the market for player type A is $5 million, you shouldn’t have to pay them twice that much to prove how much you value them. Paying them more than what anyone else is willing to pay them is really the benchmark, no? So far, no one is willing to give Damon 2 years, much less the original 3 to 4 he was looking for. And so far, teams are claiming that $7 million for one year is too rich for their budgets. In that scenario, the 2 years/$14 million is looking like a very generous deal, even though it is asking the player in question to take a cut in pay.

    A prudent businessman does not pay a secretary, no matter how good she is or how integral she is to the operations of his office, as much as he pays her boss. However, he can pay her more than she could get elsewhere.

    I don’t think the Yankees are undervaluing Damon, based on the market and based on what function they had in mind for him – which is quite different than the original function they signed him to perform way back in 2005. He’s not the same commodity.

  67. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 1st, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Erin – thanks! I just might go and TIVO that right now.

    Betsy I also agree with your take on Damon signing with the Rays, if it were to happen, if the Rays were to outlast the Yankees. The Yankees have moved on so they won’t be anything. The media would want to spin it, but the Yankees won’t be crying in their beer since they would have signed him if they felt he was necessary to the team’s winning.

    Rich – except I truly don’t think the Yankees were hot enough on having Damon back that it mattered. The proof of the pudding, as they say. Looking at it pragmatically, they had already signed their DH. Damon’s skills in the field are suspect at best, and even if they were outstanding, he’s not an every-day player. So LF was not a question. They didn’t get Nick J to platoon DH. If they still wanted a platoon they would have signed Matsui again. So at this point in time, where is Damon’s value to the Yankees? As a bench player? Late inning pinch hitter? Why wait around for that and lose someone who can actually add value to your defense in the OF?

    And for the sake of argument, what if they waited around and someone offered Damon more money than the Yankees were willing to pay? Wouldn’t they have lost out altogether?

    I seriously believe that their interest in Damon became lukewarm at best and it waned the longer he and Boras played chicken with them.

    JMO

  68. lets go yankees February 1st, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Betsy – Romine wasn’t built in a day
    February 1st, 2010 at 8:31 am

    The other $3 million would still be paid to Damon, so it’s still $3 million, so I don’t agree.

    ——————————

    It does not make that much of a difference because I think the money was only deferred for one year, but the point remains:

    6 million today>3 million today + 3 million next year

  69. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? February 1st, 2010 at 8:52 am

    Erin -

    Thank you for that reminder! I was thinking about that last night, and I knew it was February, but I didn’t remember when in February. I’ll be watching. :)

  70. GreenBeret7 February 1st, 2010 at 8:52 am

    I liked having Damon in the Yankee line-up as much as most others did, but, at no time in his 4 seasons with the NYYs was he a $13 mil a year player. In 2009, he only tied on career high while setting a career high in one category….strikeouts. Even at $7 mil a year, given his defense, he was pushing the limits of his value to the Yankees.

  71. salty Buggar February 1st, 2010 at 8:53 am

    Damon is going to regret the way he allowed his exit from the Yankees. He and Wifey had great brags at the start of his FA about all the teams’ interest. I wish he stop interviewing, he sounds desperate! I read that 2 reasons GM’s aren’t lining up, is because only 7 of his 24 HR’s were away from Yankees stadium, and he might be headed for decline. Cashman has left Boras with egg on his face!

  72. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 1st, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Erin, do you know what network has the show? Obviously I haven’t seen it either.

    :)

  73. Frank February 1st, 2010 at 8:55 am

    “he had the potential to make more in the long run by making a run for 3000 hits in the best media market in the country, by being on more championship teams, and basically being in the limelight which would enhance his chances for the hall of fame.”

    Kind of a big leap to assume that taking the Yankees money this year would lead to the Yankees keeping beyond the expiration of either the 2 year/$14M deal or the 1/$6M. He’s going to need three seasons and part of a fourth to get 3000 hits. No way that would have happened with the Yankees under any circumstances.

    And he’s not near a HOF’er.

  74. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? February 1st, 2010 at 8:55 am

    Misread the market? I think they weren’t even reading the same book!

  75. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 1st, 2010 at 8:56 am

    And another generic thing here. Does anyone believe Boras anymore when he says there are X offers on the table for a particular player? You sure might be more apt to believe him if it’s a CC or Tex, but when you’re talking about end-of-career players, or nearing that, come on. He’s been known to talk out of his sleeve on more than one occassion!

  76. Erin February 1st, 2010 at 8:56 am

    trisha – OPPC forever – (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS!
    February 1st, 2010 at 8:54 am
    Erin, do you know what network has the show? Obviously I haven’t seen it either.
    ************************
    trisha, it’s on CBS, 8:00

  77. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 1st, 2010 at 8:57 am

    “Misread the market? I think they weren’t even reading the same book!”

    :lol:

    Boras doesn’t ever attempt to read the market, he attempts to set it.

  78. Joe from Long Island February 1st, 2010 at 8:58 am

    randy I – spot on. “Undervalued” is another way of saying “underpaid”.

    As for Damon – I guess one can hold out for the price one wants, even to the point of unemployment, when you have a large bank account to tide you over. Regular working people don’t have that luxury.

  79. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 1st, 2010 at 8:59 am

    Erin, thanks! Now I will TIVO it (or DVR it). I don’t know it there is a word of art to these things!

  80. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? February 1st, 2010 at 9:01 am

    Trisha -

    I think “record” covers all technology! :lol: (I usually say “VCR” or “tape” both of which are passe!)

  81. randy l. February 1st, 2010 at 9:01 am

    “It’s not like players have to sign for x dollars if they are offered x+1 somewhere else.”

    rich in nj-

    that’s right out of the red sox playbook.

    with that attititude that’s how they lost teixeira. it’s how they lost jason bay who was a major part of their offense an possible their main offensive player.

    you’re right that players are free( after 6 years) to walk away from the gms who are always looking for undervalued players as their major plan for building the team.

    they do walk away.

    that’s why i think the obsession to always be trying to get undervalued players is counterproductive to winning in the long run.

  82. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2010 at 9:02 am

    “randy I – spot on. “Undervalued” is another way of saying “underpaid”.”

    But the issue is why and for how long.

    There wasn’t a conspiracy to “underpay” Damon or Abreu or some other aging player.

    It was the result of an existing valuation model which reflected supply and demand.

    Over time valuation models can change. But until they do, any GM with a brain should look for underpaid or undervalued players and sign them, at least until such time as they are no longer undervalued.

  83. Erin February 1st, 2010 at 9:03 am

    trisha – OPPC forever – (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS!
    February 1st, 2010 at 8:59 am
    Erin, thanks! Now I will TIVO it (or DVR it). I don’t know it there is a word of art to these things!

    ********************
    LOL A lot of times I’ll just say “I’m recording it” Sometimes that’s just easier. :)

  84. Frank February 1st, 2010 at 9:03 am

    “I read that 2 reasons GM’s aren’t lining up, is because only 7 of his 24 HR’s were away from Yankees stadium, and he might be headed for decline”

    I’d assume it a lot more the latter than it is the former. Damon’s homerun totals obviously were boosted by playing half his games in NYS, but he was not a stiff on the road by any means. Actually had more hits and a better BA on the road and his .795 OPS on the road was considerably above the AL average overal OPS of .756.

  85. GreenBeret7 February 1st, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Joe from Long Island
    February 1st, 2010 at 8:58 am
    randy I – spot on. “Undervalued” is another way of saying “underpaid”.

    As for Damon – I guess one can hold out for the price one wants, even to the point of unemployment, when you have a large bank account to tide you over. Regular working people don’t have that luxury.

    ————————————————————

    That’s the difference between human dollars and baseball dollars.

  86. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 1st, 2010 at 9:05 am

    I too don’t see him as being anywhere near an HOFer.

  87. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2010 at 9:08 am

    randy

    “that’s right out of the red sox playbook.”

    It’s out of every team’s playbook. Which teams says: “We think you’re worth $1m, but we’ll pay you $2m?”

    Only teams that bid against themselves, which, for example, the Yankees did with A-Rod.

    “with that attititude that’s how they lost teixeira. it’s how they lost jason bay who was a major part of their offense an possible their main offensive player.”

    No, with Teix, they decided that he wasn’t worth x+1, even though they should have known that another team (the Yankees) thought he was worth that.

    The RS were certainly willing to give Lackey x+1, if not more.

    The RS reportedly thought that Bay wasn’t worth the money because of his knees. I think they’re right.

    “that’s why i think the obsession to always be trying to get undervalued players is counterproductive to winning in the long run.”

    Why? The Yankees signed Winn, at least in part, because they thought he was undervalued.

  88. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 1st, 2010 at 9:09 am

    As another aside there is something about players in their last year of a contract that seems to cause them to play harder and better and to have stats that are their best to date. I’m not making that up because we see it happen all the time. I wouldn’t use what Damon did last year as a reason to sign him this year and pay him according to those stats alone.

  89. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 1st, 2010 at 9:11 am

    “The RS reportedly thought that Bay wasn’t worth the money because of his knees. I think they’re right.”

    It appears the Yankees thought the same thing about Damon.

  90. Frank February 1st, 2010 at 9:11 am

    “I too don’t see him as being anywhere near an HOFer.”

    That’s not to diminish what’s been a really good career for Damon. It’s just not HOF-level. If Tim Raines isn’t in, I can’t find the argument for Damon.

    That said, if you told me my 1st round pick was going to have Johnny Damon’s career (Damon was a 1st rounder in 1992), I’d take that everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

  91. MTU February 1st, 2010 at 9:13 am

    2 cents:

    While JD was a Yankee he was an important part of the offense. He earned his money. I wish they could have struck a deal but it wasn’t meant to be.

    JD has always been about the money. He left Boston to come to NY over it. He left the Yanks to go ? over it.

    “Damon” spelled backwards is “Nomad”. Born to wander.

    Is Winn this year’s Swisher ? I hope so.

    Does Joba surprise with his new deication to conditioning ?

    Again, I hope so.

    Looking forward to ST to resolve:

    1) The #5 starter question

    2) The starting LF’er question

    3) The BP and Bench questions

    May the best ST training players win (no pun intended).

  92. jennifer February 1st, 2010 at 9:13 am

    Is there any truth to that rumor posted earlier? Damon to the Rays? Even if he dh’ed all the time that is a bad move. Damon’s legs can’t hold up on the carpet.

  93. Paco Dooley February 1st, 2010 at 9:13 am

    By the way, it’s nice to see Andy Stankiewicz hanging out here – I wondered what happened to him after his brief time in NY. But seeing that name brings back bad memories of the dog days (years) as a Yankees fan (though he was very popular with my Jewish family!).

  94. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2010 at 9:14 am

    “It appears the Yankees thought the same thing about Damon.”

    What injury does Damon have?

  95. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 1st, 2010 at 9:15 am

    Here’s a question. Are there players outfielders in the HOF you can think of offhand who had great offensive skills but mediocre defensive skills? I am putting Damon in the mediocre category especially because of his noodle arm. The answer may be a resounding yes but nobody screams out at me.

  96. Joe from Long Island February 1st, 2010 at 9:16 am

    One last comment before I leave for work (hold down the applause) –

    Rich – Everyone wants something at a discount. Your point sounds similar to a mutual fund manager who’s specialty is described as a “value fund” – buy a company on the cheap, in the hope/expectation that it will appreciate in value, thus making you a profit when you sell.

    The catch is when you are trying to build a winning baseball team, that’s where the analogy breaks down. Because you do need good, winning players in order to win, and not all of them are found on the discount heap.

    So, randy’s point here is valid, I think. Again, look at the Red Sox as an example. Did they make a mistake letting Damon go four years ago, in favor of a discounted/undervalued player in Coco Crisp? And now, in letting Bay go?

    Off to work. I still need a paycheck.

  97. Matt February 1st, 2010 at 9:16 am

    Let Damon serve as a lesson for fans not to get too enanmored with a player because of a certain degree of fan popularity.
    There’s only so many “core four” players in the game and the Yankees are fortune to have them.
    Andy Pettitte would have been a career Yankee if not for being spurned by George Steinbrenner in 2003 and was only too happy to return to the organization he grew into.
    Damon has proven in 3 separate occasions that money counts above all. He left K.C to go to Oakland. He left Oakland to go to Boston. He left Boston to go to the Yankees. It’s a familiar pattern.

  98. salty Buggar February 1st, 2010 at 9:17 am

    As long and drawn out as the Damon negotiations were, no way Cashman is going to go through that again with Boras. Damon loves money. The Yankees OVER PAID HIM the last 4 yrs, Cashman
    won’t go back after this season to a year older Damon, no matter how the Yankees do. Damon is the Yankees past, he has to focus on Mariano and Jeter who are still performing at the top of their game.

    Sheffield, Giambi, Damon, and Abreu all gone thank you!

  99. Evan February 1st, 2010 at 9:17 am

    here’s a clip of Swisher on tonight’s HIMYM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atgdppplpWM

  100. Evan February 1st, 2010 at 9:18 am

    # Rich in NJ February 1st, 2010 at 9:14 am

    “It appears the Yankees thought the same thing about Damon.”

    What injury does Damon have?
    =========================================
    Well, he has a chronic calf injury

  101. jennifer February 1st, 2010 at 9:18 am

    Matt- except this time he won’t be getting more money, he’ll be getting less. You would have thought he would have realized at the end of January, that he should take the Yankees offer.

  102. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 1st, 2010 at 9:20 am

    “What injury does Damon have?”

    That was more of a generic statement on the fact that it apparently isn’t lost on the Yankees that Damon is not an ever-day-player mainly due to his ever-ailing legs.

  103. randy l. February 1st, 2010 at 9:21 am

    “No way that would have happened with the Yankees under any circumstances.
    And he’s not near a HOF’er.”

    frank-

    have you looked at damon’s numbers?

    he’s at 2425 hits right now. he’s averaged 155 hits the past three years.

    he’s shown no sign of offensive decline yet.

    he’ll have age 36, age 37, age 38 to play at a relatively high level and above the average mlb level offensively.

    say he declines and averages only 135 hits a year, he’ll have 405 more hits or 2870 hits.

    that’s 130 hits away from 3000 and he’ll have age 39 and age 40 to do that.

    kenny lofton had 286 hits at age 39 and age 40.

    as i said, damon will be coming up against a wall after 2900 hits.

    but even if he doesn’t get over it,how many players who have 2900 hits aren’t in the hall of fame ?

    damon is a very good player and if he’s lucky and healthy, i think it’s obvious he’ll be knocking on the hall of fame door.

  104. Rick February 1st, 2010 at 9:22 am

    Trisha -

    Just one correction. Damon did once have a noodle arm but it downgraded itself to an angel hair arm.
    Derek Jeter and A-Rod were having to go halfway into left field in get his cutoff throws.

  105. randy l. February 1st, 2010 at 9:24 am

    “Are there players outfielders in the HOF you can think of offhand who had great offensive skills but mediocre defensive skills?”

    reggie jackson, jim rice, ted williams for a start.

  106. Frank February 1st, 2010 at 9:24 am

    “What injury does Damon have?”

    Bruised ego? Broken heart?

    Damon has been playing with and through various maladies over his time with the Yankees. He frequently played banged up in Boston too. It’s a commendable trait, and one that many, if not most, don’t possess. Problem is, the older you get the harder it gets to keep playing thru the dings and dents and the less effective you are, especially defensively. Damon hasn’t missed significant over the past few seasons, but he hasn’t been Lou Gehrig either. There is evidence his ability/willingness to play hurt is serving to diminish parts of his game and I’m sure that was a factor in the Yankees thinking and will be a factor in the thinking of other teams that consider him.

  107. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 1st, 2010 at 9:25 am

    “Just one correction. Damon did once have a noodle arm but it downgraded itself to an angel hair arm.
    Derek Jeter and A-Rod were having to go halfway into left field in get his cutoff throws.”

    First :lol:

    Then :(

    Yowza.

  108. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2010 at 9:26 am

    Evan

    “Well, he has a chronic calf injury”

    trisha

    “That was more of a generic statement on the fact that it apparently isn’t lost on the Yankees that Damon is not an ever-day-player mainly due to his ever-ailing legs.”

    But the Yankees said the only reason they withdrew their offer of $14m for two years was because they had reached their budget ceiling after Nick signed. There have been no reports about their concern about his legs.

  109. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 1st, 2010 at 9:26 am

    Evan, thanks!

    To be fair, the clip kept cutting out; but from what I saw, Nick may want to keep his day job.

    :)

  110. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2010 at 9:28 am

    joe

    “The catch is when you are trying to build a winning baseball team, that’s where the analogy breaks down. Because you do need good, winning players in order to win, and not all of them are found on the discount heap.”

    Who said every player has to be paid at a discount? That doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t look for value when deciding between two players with comparable skillsets.

  111. vey February 1st, 2010 at 9:29 am

    Frank

    Damon has bad calves too!!

  112. GreenBeret7 February 1st, 2010 at 9:30 am

    Rich in NJ
    February 1st, 2010 at 9:14 am
    “It appears the Yankees thought the same thing about Damon.”

    What injury does Damon have?

    ————————————————————

    Bad shoulders, bad legs, bad back.

  113. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 1st, 2010 at 9:30 am

    “But the Yankees said the only reason they withdrew their offer of $14m for two years was because they had reached their budget ceiling after Nick signed. There have been no reports about their concern about his legs.”

    Rich, I think their actions were evidence of their thinking. They don’t have to come right out and tell the world they have fears about an aspect of a player’s game. Nick Johnson signed on as their DH. Damon’s value took perhaps a fatal hit at that point. That tells me everything I need to know.

    Listen to Cashman’s comments. He tied his “The book closed on Damon a long time ago” comment to the signing of Nick Johnson, if I remember correctly. Johnny’s bat lost its value once the DH was signed.

  114. Erin February 1st, 2010 at 9:31 am

    New post- Pinch hitting: Jason Whitman

  115. Doreen - Ain't it Just "Grand"? February 1st, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Well, but the Yankees were most interested in Damon as mainly a DH with decreased time in the outfield. So there must be some concern about keeping him at his best for the length of the season. However, the fact that they were still willing to enter negotiations with Damon after signing Johnson does speak to the fact that they may not be as concerned as some others are.

    You know, this is kind of lousy, in a way. I love Johnny Damon as a player. He did play through the dings and dents and I suspect through most of the calf-cramping until the point where it’s unbearable. He is an exciting player and always an offensive threat. He has declined defensively, but it’s his arm that’s the biggest liability (notwithstanding the not a few times where he seemed a little lost in left last season).

    I am glad the Yankees can upgrade defensively and I think it would have been great if they had been able to sign Damon as the main DH.

    It does feel a little like piling on Johnny here, and really pushing his down side in order to make sense of everything that’s transpired. I don’t think he was overpaid in his initial contract. I think, even though he could not play CF, he more than earned his salary for these last 4 years.

    It’s going forward that it gets dicey.

  116. braeden February 1st, 2010 at 9:35 am

    I heard Joba was on NBC last night, and that he looked good.
    Did he have anything good to say and did he look in shape? I read from the web that he’s reporting 2wks early.

  117. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 1st, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Doreen, as someone who didn’t really want Damon back once Matsui was gone, I can tell you that mine is genuine and has nothing to do with the way the negotiations went. Throughout the negotiations I was clear that I hoped Damon wasn’t brought back. For me, it was all about defense.

    Just stating that for the record. I know you weren’t singling anyone out.

  118. Go Johnny ! February 1st, 2010 at 9:52 am

    Damon gets no pity from me when he goes on radio and accuses the Yankees of wrongfully offering him too little.
    He waited too long to come to Cashman, and even then couldn’t face reality. Fans appreciate what he did with the Yankees, but understand Cashman wasn’t going to allow the team to be held captive by one player.

    If Cashman had waited all this time for DAMON to come around, Granderson (his replacement) would’ve been picked up. Nick Johnson was deep in negotiations with another team, so Cashman had to act fast. Javier added depth to the back of the starting rotation. Damon just missed the boat, and even the row boat passed him by, before he went to Cashman.

  119. Neil February 1st, 2010 at 9:58 am

    Later for Damon. He’s a Red Sox. Never accepted guys who played for Boston, then Yankees, except Ruth of course. His agent blew it. And he’s Broke beause his former Biz Manager stole his $$$, bad investment. So he just needs a $$$ contract. Good luck to him but bye b ye Jonny

  120. Bronx Born February 1st, 2010 at 10:10 am

    I don’t get why so down on Damon the ballplayer. He contributed greatly to the Yanks and I will never forget him stealing 2nd and 3rd. It uplifted the entire team. Granted, he did not handle the negotiations well at all. But that is no reason to dismiss his contributions to the team.

  121. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 1st, 2010 at 10:16 am

    Bronx Born, no question that Damon gave it his all as a Yankee. I will never forget his contributions to the team. But that was then and this is now.

  122. Bronx Born February 1st, 2010 at 10:18 am

    I agree Tricia, but why speak so negatory bout him. It’s over, move on.. Just don’t get all the criticism.

  123. Orbital Sander February 1st, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Expect Damon to have a big regression this year playing in a different park and having another year on his legs. Girardi was good about getting damon rest but the team he signs with will not have that luxury I don’t think..

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