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To Be Decided

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 31, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Four spots in the rotation are set, so are eight places in the lineup. The bench and bullpen roles are largely locked up or have heavy favorites. It more or less goes without saying that the final bench spot and the final bullpen role will be decided in camp, but these seem to be the four biggest battles as the Yankees move closer to spring training.

Third outfielder
Favorite:
Brett Gardner
Competition: Randy Winn
Wild card: Non-roster invites
Whether it’s left field or center field, the Yankees seem ready to give Gardner an everyday job, or at least a regular role at the bottom of the lineup. Winn is positioned as the fourth outfielder who could fight for regular playing time, and the Yankees could bring in an extra right-handed hitter — someone like Marcus Thames or Rocco Baldelli – to compete on a minor league deal.  

Fifth starter
Favorite: Joba Chamberlain
Competition: Phil Hughes
Wild card: Chad Gaudin, Sergio Mitre, Alfredo Aceves
Chamberlain opened last season in the rotation, so he earns the “favorite” label. In reality, it seems likely that this is an open competition between Chamberlain and Hughes. A group of long relievers/spot starters could compete for a starting spot, but they seem more likely to open in the bullpen. 

Utility infielder
Favorite: Ramiro Pena
Competition: Kevin Russo
Wild card: Reegie Corona, Eduardo Nunez
Pena had the job last season, and he’s the only utility candidate with any big league experience. Russo is coming off a terrific Triple-A season and Corona has speed and versatility. There still seems to be a chance that the Yankees could go after a veteran utility candidate.

Second lefty
Favorite: Boone Logan
Competition: Royce Ring
Wild card: Wilkin De La Rosa, Kei Igawa
The Yankees lost Phil Coke and Mike Dunn this winter. Assuming they carry a second lefty beyond Damaso Marte, their best bet is probably recent addition Logan. Ring is coming to camp on a minor league deal. De La Rosa and Igawa are most likely heading back to the minors.

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241 Responses to “To Be Decided”

  1. stan January 31st, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    As far as the second lefty goes I think the Yanks should take a flier on Will Ohman or Joe Beimel on a minor league deal

  2. Gleb January 31st, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Sabathia
    Burnett
    Vasquez
    Pettitte
    Hughes

    Looks like a solid 1-5 IMO.

  3. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 31st, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Assuming Phil does not win the 5th spot, which I do not think he will do, I want him to be the long man (unless he goes to AAA, which I’d prefer).

  4. jvcelt January 31st, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    why mr stan? dont u like boone logan? who is boone logan?

  5. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 31st, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Pena’s ML #s indicate he can’t hit a lick – last year was just a very small sample size. I would have preferred another utility infielder, so I’m hoping Russo wins the job.

  6. m January 31st, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Rich,

    What exactly are you trying to prove? That steroids don’t matter? That Alex only used for the time period he admitted?

    Two points, they very likely do matter. The vast majority of mvp’s of both leagues for the last 10-15 years (too lazy to look it up, sorry) have been linked to PED’s. These guys wouldn’t be risking their health, careers, and reputations if they didn’t do something.

    Secondly, we’ll never know if Alex is telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth. He hid his use for years, was trying to protect his current contract and Yankee legacy (whatever that is). Alex has not been the bastion of truth on the matter. Grain of salt rule applies.

    The only reason why I said anything is because if someone says something about Alex’s career being in question because of PED use they have more of a leg to stand on than the person who is suggesting that PEDs hasn’t affected their career.

  7. SJ44 January 31st, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Betsy,

    You don’t use a guy like Hughes as a long man.

    It’s the most insignificant role on the staff. Especially for a team that has 4 guys with the ability to pitch 200+ innings.

    He wouldn’t pitch more as a long man. He would pitch less.

    His AAA days are also over.

    He’s one of the best 6-8 pitchers on the staff.

    He’s not going to waste time in AAA.

  8. DT - OPPC member January 31st, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    On a slow sports day I decided to follow the exciting Ebay race of the Scranton jerseys.
    http://shop.ebay.com/aaayankee.....38;_ipg=25

    Cody Ransom leads the pack, with Cervelli and Aceves battling it out for 2nd.

    Poor Amaury Sanit is fighting for the low spot with Coach Ledesma.

    I never heard of Sanit so I looked him up. He’s a 30 year old Cuban defector. Anyone know anything about this guy or seen him pitch?

  9. Carl January 31st, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    # Betsy – Romine wasn’t built in a day January 31st, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Pena’s ML #s indicate he can’t hit a lick – last year was just a very small sample size. I would have preferred another utility infielder, so I’m hoping Russo wins the job.

    lol what?

  10. Johnny D. January 31st, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Does anyone have the ESPN article about Damon thats up right now?

  11. m January 31st, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Johnny D,

    Last thread or the one before. The Olney one?

  12. Carl January 31st, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Johnny D. January 31st, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Does anyone have the ESPN article about Damon thats up right now?

    Rishi posted it like 2 threads back

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201.....nt-1225231

  13. DT - OPPC member January 31st, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    “Does anyone have the ESPN article about Damon thats up right now?”

    It’s the Buster Olney article. Check in the post from earlier today.

  14. Johnny D. January 31st, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Thanks Carl!

  15. Octavious January 31st, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    Kei Igawa needs his chance this time. A lefty with limited time remaining on his contract will produce better now that he has played in MLB for a while.

  16. Carl January 31st, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Johnny D. January 31st, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Thanks Carl!

    np

  17. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes January 31st, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Why not suggest to your friend Theo to try and acquire him?

  18. Kevin January 31st, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Sj,

    I agree with you about Hughes. However if say it’s May 5th and Burnett goes down with an injury that will have him out for a month. Hughes has been setting up Mo since the season started. Would the yankees keep him in the bullpen or start him?

  19. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 31st, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    SJ, I really understand what you’re saying, but IMO Phil being a short man does not make any sense, for so many reasons.

  20. lets go yankees January 31st, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    If Logan does not make the big league club, I hope they keep him in AAA for a while, so the guy can finally learn how to pitch without the pressure of doing it on the big stage.

    The guy has a lot of talent but was handled terribly by the White Sox.

    In 2005 he spent most of the season in Rookie ball, before making a grand total of 4 appearances in A ball to close the year out. Just months later in 2006, he started the season in the White Sox bullpen as their main lefty. He basically went from Rookie ball straight to the big leagues. That’s crazy.

  21. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 31st, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Is AJ the only pitcher capable of being injured? He’s been healthy for 2 straight years; when will people stop assuming he’s a DL stint waiting to happen?

  22. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 31st, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Carl, just exactly what are you LOLing about?

  23. Kevin January 31st, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Betsy,
    I’m not assuming he’s going to get injured but he is the most likely of the big 4.

  24. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 31st, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Kevin, if ANY Of the pitchers get hurt and Phil is the set up man, he can not step in……

  25. wallypip January 31st, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    I think the Yankees are going to have to try to get a better bat on the non-roster invitee list for the infield.

    I have no problem with Pena as the utility, I just think we’re a little thin, particularly if A-Rod gets hurt.

  26. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 31st, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    Kevin, AJ has been perfectly healthy for 2 years; he works out completely differently than he used to and doesn’t throw max effort. He’s really no different than any other pitcher at this point.

  27. Kevin January 31st, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    Betsy – Romine wasn’t built in a day
    January 31st, 2010 at 4:07 pm
    Kevin, if ANY Of the pitchers get hurt and Phil is the set up man, he can not step in……
    ———————————————————-
    Masterson did it for the red sox last year

  28. m January 31st, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    It could be argued that Andy would be the most likely. But of course, the proper amount of time has not passed yet for A.J. to shed his reputation.

  29. lets go yankees January 31st, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    “Two points, they very likely do matter. The vast majority of mvp’s of both leagues for the last 10-15 years (too lazy to look it up, sorry) have been linked to PED’s. These guys wouldn’t be risking their health, careers, and reputations if they didn’t do something.”

    ——————–

    This right here sums up my answer to this

    Dan DaMan (Minneesota)

    Hi Keith, I’m curious as to your position on steroids and their perceived affects on hitting performance. How significant a relationship do you suspect there is, if any?

    Klaw (1:22 PM)

    I think we simply don’t know what effect they have, and pretending that we do is foolish. Their effects haven’t been studied, and we can’t just extrapolate from a few outliers on the positive end of the spectrum, especially since we know a lot of sucky players took steroids and still sucked.

  30. GeorgeInJax January 31st, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    I’m hoping all the starters stay healthy, but besides A.J., Joba has had his share of injuries coming up, & Andy has battled back issues for a long time. I am very glad there is a lot of depth and talent able to step up as starters. That gives me even more confidence in Girardi & Cashman. I’m glad they have that kind of foresight.

    Nick Johnson has had his issues, but if he goes down Miranda can come up too. We’re pretty well covered.

  31. crawdaddy January 31st, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    This Damon stuff is really getting silly. I’m listening to XM Radio and they’re speculating that Cashman used the Damon situation to get back at Boras for the Arod situation two years ago.

    Somebody tell the clueless at XM Radio that Teixiera’s agent is Boras, yet the Yankees signed him to the biggest contract last offseason.

  32. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes January 31st, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Betsy,

    I happen to think AJ is going to have a terrific year. He’s found a home where he became a WS champion, he learned to harness his emotions a little bit better, and maybe he will even treat us to that excellent changeup of his more often, making him an even deadlier pitcher.

    I expect great things from AJ. Better than last season.

  33. Gleb January 31st, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    “Is AJ the only pitcher capable of being injured? He’s been healthy for 2 straight years; when will people stop assuming he’s a DL stint waiting to happen?”

    He’s clearly the biggest injury risk in the rotation and it’s not even close.

  34. lets go yankees January 31st, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    This answer to a question from Keith also sums up my opinion on Maris being the “true” record holder, which I always thought was a funny assertion.

    Klaw (1:14 PM)

    Oh, you mean like Roger Maris hitting 61 home runs? You want to explain that career path to me?

  35. KennyH123 January 31st, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    “IMO Phil being a short man does not make any sense, for so many reasons.”

    Is one of those reasons the fact that he was virtually unhittable in that role for the entire second half of last season? Or that his fastball was about 3-4 MPH faster as a short man? Or that the Yankees would never have won without him setting up Mariano last year?

  36. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 31st, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Kevin, unless the pitcher Hughes is to replace is going to be out for months at a time, it makes no sense as it would take weeks for Phil to get stretched out.

  37. m January 31st, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Well, just like it can’t be proven that steroids help, it can’t be proven that they don’t help.

    Lots of sucky players still sucked.
    Lots of good players were still good.

    But if they didn’t do anything, then there are a lot of dumb players. Ruin their bodies, their reputations, and in more than a few cases, their Hall of Fame chances.

  38. KhanArtist January 31st, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    2010 Yankees:
    Derek Jeter SS
    Nick Johnson DH
    Mark Teixeira 1B
    Alex Rodriguez 3B
    Jorge Posada C
    Curtis Granderson LF
    Robinson Cano 2B
    Nick Swisher RF
    Brett Gardner CF

    CC Sabathia
    AJ Burnett
    Javier Vazquez
    Andy Pettitte
    Joba Chamberlain

    David Robertson
    Mariano Rivera

    2011 Yankees:
    Derek Jeter SS
    Carl Crawford LF
    Mark Teixeira 1B
    Alex Rodriguez 3B
    Jorge Posada DH
    Curtis Granderson CF
    Jesus Montero C
    Robinson Cano 2B
    Nick Swisher RF

    CC Sabathia
    Cliff Lee
    AJ Burnett
    Joba Chamberlain
    Phil Hughes

    David Robertson
    Mariano Rivera

  39. Octavious January 31st, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    Johnny Damon should have been resigned. It’s just like when the NYY didn’t resign Andy P because they thought his elbow was done. Now we don’t have the clutch hitter. No replacement for clutch this time.

  40. Kevin January 31st, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    Phil being a short man isn’t a bad thing. Yes he has more value as a starter but a set up man is much more valuable than a long man or triple a starter

  41. CD January 31st, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    Kei Igawa :lol:

    ahahahahhahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahaahhahahahhahahahhahahahahahhaahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahaahhaahahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahhahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahah

  42. GeorgeInJax January 31st, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    We lost a couple of popular players, but indeed we have more flexibility as a team. If a major injury occurs we have depth and have trade chips. Some people wonder why we signed Gaudin & Mitre, but they will either contribute or be part of some mid-season deal. It is inevitable that some MLB starters will be injured & need replacement.

  43. m January 31st, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Yes, Damon should have resigned.

  44. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 31st, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Bodh, I think so too. I thought AJ was good last year, but I know he was disappointed. Still, he won a WS and he’s got game two of the WS to look back on as a personal triumph. I can’t wait for ST to start….

  45. Octavious January 31st, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    “he learned to harness his emotions a little bit better”

    ————————————————————

    could have fooled me in his second WS start.

  46. GeorgeInJax January 31st, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    You laugh about Igawa, & yes we got burned on the deal. Since he hasn’t worked out as a starter we might as well get some value & use him as a situational lefty.

  47. Frank January 31st, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    “Is one of those reasons the fact that he was virtually unhittable in that role for the entire second half of last season? Or that his fastball was about 3-4 MPH faster as a short man?”

    Couldn’t much of this argument be applied to Chamberlain too? His fastball as a starter last year was off 4-5 MPH from where it was when he was dominating as an 8th inning guy in prior seasons?

  48. lets go yankees January 31st, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    “Or that the Yankees would never have won without him setting up Mariano last year?”

    —————————–

    Because Hughes really made that big of difference in the regular season when the Yankees won the division by 8 games.

    Or even better Hughes really helped in the playoffs when he blew 1 game and got bailed out by Tex in another game he blew.

    If Phil Hughes is never born the Yankees still win the WS no problem.

  49. Laura - Are you ready for some baseball? January 31st, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    “But if they didn’t do anything, then there are a lot of dumb players. Ruin their bodies, their reputations, and in more than a few cases, their Hall of Fame chances.”

    I think the effects they have probably are different depending on the player. Maybe for McGwire, they helped him hit more HRs. Maybe for Alex, they prevented him from getting injured. We’ll never know. I just wish we could move on from the ‘roid discussion. As long as people want to talk about it, it will continue to stain the game.

  50. Kevin January 31st, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    Betsy – Romine wasn’t built in a day
    January 31st, 2010 at 4:19 pm
    Bodh, I think so too. I thought AJ was good last year, but I know he was disappointed. Still, he won a WS and he’s got game two of the WS to look back on as a personal triumph. I can’t wait for ST to start….
    ———————————————————-
    Even if A.J. was average throughout the rest of his contract, I would look at it as a success. That game 2 start won us the W.S. Going to Philly down 0-2 would have been impossible

  51. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 31st, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    LOL His 1st WS start was just a tad more important than his second, but for some reason people forget that

  52. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day January 31st, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    Kenny, some of us actually think Phil should be a starter and not relegated to bullpen work.

  53. Bronx Jeers January 31st, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    “That game 2 start won us the W.S. Going to Philly down 0-2 would have been impossible”

    Like in 96′?

  54. lets go yankees January 31st, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    “Well, just like it can’t be proven that steroids help, it can’t be proven that they don’t help.”

    That is the exact point I am making. You do not have any proof either way so it is no fair/valid to say steroids make you a better hitter.

    “But if they didn’t do anything, then there are a lot of dumb players. Ruin their bodies, their reputations, and in more than a few cases, their Hall of Fame chances.”

    Since when did we think baseball players were smart?

  55. Kevin January 31st, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Bronx Jeers
    January 31st, 2010 at 4:25 pm
    “That game 2 start won us the W.S. Going to Philly down 0-2 would have been impossible”

    Like in 96??
    —————————————————–
    Anything could happen obviously but it would not have been easy

  56. Octavious January 31st, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    Igawa will want to regain his honor that he crushed with his ineffectiveness. Plus he is near the end of his contract and doesn’t want to leave MLB. It’s very low risk to use him for mop up duty instead of wasting a good arm. He might surprise us.

  57. Gleb January 31st, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Can people please stop putting Posada behind A-rod in their projected batting orders..please?
    He’s a 38 year old catcher.
    If A-rod was hot I’d walk him more often than not to get to a slow catcher behind him.

    (r)Jeter
    (l)Johnson
    (s)Teix
    (r)Rodriguez
    (l)Cano
    (l)Granderson
    (s)Posada
    (s)Swisher
    (l)Gardner

    Is much more capable IMO.

  58. Wait till we do it all Over Again January 31st, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    A.J. was great at home and awfu on the road in the playoffs. It’s as simple as that.

  59. Wait till we do it all Over Again January 31st, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    awfu should of course be awful.

  60. GeorgeInJax January 31st, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    There is no doubt that Phil Hughes should be a starter end eventually that is what he is being groomed for. He is a year Younger than Joba, still a kid. He and Joba are still the #1 & #2 development projects in the Yankee organization. Unless you haven’t paid attention to the trade offers that have been declined, it is obvious the Yankees highly value these kids.
    Deservedly so!

  61. SJ44 January 31st, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Do you know how dumb you have to be to be a Red Sox fan trolling a Yankee blog this off-season?

    Clearly, the one in here now can’t figure it out.

    I’ll make sure you get a ticket to the ring ceremony.

  62. Frank January 31st, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    “If A-rod was hot I’d walk him more often than not to get to a slow catcher behind him.”

    You think he’s going to be walked less with Cano behind him?

  63. Wait till we do it all Over Again January 31st, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    I’d put Posada behind A-Rod UNLESS (and this is very possible, perhaps even portable) he starts showing major signs of decline.

    If he hits similar to how he did last year I’d still pencil him in at the fifth spot.

    That being said 5-8 in the lineup is pretty interchangeable IMO.

  64. lets go yankees January 31st, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    Kevin
    January 31st, 2010 at 4:09 pm
    Betsy – Romine wasn’t built in a day
    January 31st, 2010 at 4:07 pm
    Kevin, if ANY Of the pitchers get hurt and Phil is the set up man, he can not step in……
    ———————————————————-
    Masterson did it for the red sox last year

    ————————–

    Masterson stepped into the rotation 2 weeks into the season. His arm was still strong from spring training so it only took him one start to get his pitch count up to “starter level”

  65. Wait till we do it all Over Again January 31st, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    There is no HARD evidence that steroids help, but there is a an incredible amount of circumstantial evidence that you can’t disregard.

  66. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes January 31st, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Octavious
    January 31st, 2010 at 4:20 pm
    “he learned to harness his emotions a little bit better”
    ————————————————————
    could have fooled me in his second WS start.
    =====

    I realize it’s easier on you to remember Yankee failure, few and far between though it was last season, than Yankee successes, which you attempt, in vain, to block out of consciousness.

    But in fact, AJ won Game 2 – as decisive a game as any for the Yankees – and spoke at some length about how he was feeding off the crowd to hum the ball over the plate, and then stopped himself, regained his composure, and did not let the big moment overwhelm him, but pitched more selectively, rather than playing to the adrenaline of the crowd and its emotional desires for Ks.

    It was significant for him. We won the game – a much bigger game than Game 5.

  67. DT - OPPC member January 31st, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    If Igawa somehow enters the “circle of trust” it must be one giant size ring.

  68. Wait till we do it all Over Again January 31st, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Agh, I have to write so many posts. Portable should be probable.

  69. Octavious January 31st, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    I wonder if the all-knowing arrogant, oz is still pretending to be an over-the-hill agent with the sensitivity of a 7th grade spelling bee champion? Hey, where’s your commission?

  70. Matt January 31st, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Competition in spring training is always healthy. Chad has it pinned down well.
    Normally, teams will look at or consider players that shake out as the 2nd roster cuts are made in late March and Brian Cashman will look but only an injury will cause him to be involved.

  71. GeorgeInJax January 31st, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Phil will be working as a starter in ST. If a starter went down mid-season, he could go to AAA for a short stint to be stretched out. We have guys that can be spot starters during that time (Gaudin, Mitre, & Aceves).

  72. lets go yankees January 31st, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    “There is no HARD evidence that steroids help, but there is a an incredible amount of circumstantial evidence that you can’t disregard.”

    ——————-

    Where is this incredible amount of circumstantial evidence?

  73. Wait till we do it all Over Again January 31st, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    All right, you asked:

    There was a period in history in which not one, but several players all broke the HR record in very close proximity to each other. And not just broke it, SMASHED it. Bonds, McGwire,and Sosa were all players that did this. All of them were later accused of taking steroids. Two of them admitted it (if I’m correct and Sosa did). Everybody knows Bonds did too. Bonds in particular had incredible, awe-inspiring seasons very late in his career, and not just good seasons, but historic.

    And then, all of a sudden, it stopped when testing began. Players started hitting balls out at if not normal, then at least close to normal rates again.

    So you expect me to believe that the period between, say (and this is arbitrary) 1994 and 2004 just happened to produce, for no apparent reason, not one but several of the greatest HR hitters in the history of baseball? And that there is evidence pointing to the fact that if not all then most of these players did steroids? And yet I am supposed to believe that this was just an extraordinary alignment of the planets that allowed players like Bonds to have OBP’s over 600 in his late 30′s?

    It’s possible, but it seems skeptical to me.

  74. Frank January 31st, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    “A.J. was great at home and awfu on the road in the playoffs. It’s as simple as that.”

    AJ’s pretty simple. He always varies somewhere between great and awful. Sometimes he’s both in the same game. Inconsistency has been a constant over his career.

  75. m January 31st, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Again, the players do it for fits and giggles. Because they’re not very smart.

  76. vinny-b January 31st, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    dodgers getting ready to sign Reed Johnson

    and Melvin Mora to the Rockies (not a bad player for 1 million)

  77. Gleb January 31st, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    “You think he’s going to be walked less with Cano behind him?”

    Cano is a career .306 hitter and significantly faster than posada. So yes, yes I do.

  78. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes January 31st, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    Frank,

    AJ’s reluctance to throw his change surely contributes to his little girl with the curl issue.

    He actually throws 2 changups – both very effective when used judiciously. If he could get more comfortable with it, it would help him enormously, since his stuff is so live.

    Time to eat the Southern Indian dosa. :)

  79. Noreaster January 31st, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    circumstantial evidence: Big Papi hits more home runs in fenway than anybody else. circumstantial evidence: Big Mac hitting 70, circumstantial evidence: Sosa hitting 66, circumstantial evidence: Bonds hitting 72, circumstantial evidence: Brady Anderson hitting 48 … and the list goes on…

  80. Wait till we do it all Over Again January 31st, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Again, what I gave is by no means PROOF, however it does seem to me highly suggestive that SOMETHING was having some sort of effect on certain players.

  81. lets go yankees January 31st, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    m
    January 31st, 2010 at 4:44 pm
    Again, the players do it for fits and giggles. Because they’re not very smart.

    ———————

    Just because they think it helps them that does not mean it does.

  82. SJ44 January 31st, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    What a comeback! LOL. That’s the best you can do?

    Your trolling needs lots of work.

    Have fun twerp.

  83. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    m

    “What exactly are you trying to prove? That steroids don’t matter? That Alex only used for the time period he admitted?”

    Again, where is the statistical evidence that they improved Alex’s performance?

    I’m agnostic on the second question because there are only facts that he did them from 2001-03.

    “The only reason why I said anything is because if someone says something about Alex’s career being in question because of PED use they have more of a leg to stand on than the person who is suggesting that PEDs hasn’t affected their career.”

    As a result of the era they played in, people can question the performance of every player in the game whether or not they are admitted users. But unlike Bonds, McGwire and others, I don’t see the spike in Alex’s stats.

  84. Frank January 31st, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Bodhi:

    Probably some truth there. In the end though I think once you hit AJ’s age, you are what you are. As the good outweighs the bad, I think we can all live with that.

    Enjoy the grub.

  85. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    SJ

    “He’s not going to waste time in AAA.”

    If Hughes is used as a setup reliever, when he is ever going to be sufficiently stretched out to become a starter?

  86. Octavious January 31st, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Maybe AJ won’t cry too loud when Molina isn’t there to burp him? It might soil his Depends.

  87. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    From the last thread:

    Joe Vogel

    “One big problem arises however. We don’t know exactly when he started his usage”

    Exactly, so why do we necessarily have to view the facts in the light most unfavorable to A-Rod?

    ” Did not being traded to the most historically relevant franchise in North American team sports history also invoke a bit of pressure? ”

    Alex’s 2004 stats:
    .286 .375 .512 .887

    Where are the facts that demonstrate that his stats were artificially boosted?

  88. Carl January 31st, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Octavious January 31st, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Maybe AJ won’t cry too loud when Molina isn’t there to burp him? It might soil his Depends.

    woooo

  89. Joe Vogel January 31st, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    Wait till we do it all Over Again,

    Don’t waste your breathe (or finger strokes). Some people will deny the obvious just to be obstinate. Others, like MLB owners, agents, other players, and managers because by acknowledging the problem it runs contrary to their short-term financial interests. In the case of some fans, they can’t bear the thought that the accomplishments of their favorite players may be less than authenticate or without integrity.

  90. Wait till we do it all Over Again January 31st, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Rich-I am not accusing A-Rod either way, but it is possible that he figured he didn’t need them in 04′, then realized after the disastrous ending to the season that they could be quite-er-useful. Thus his 05′ MVP season.

    This is not necessarily true. In fact there’s no evidence for it. It’s just one possible hypothesis. I’m not going to accuse A-Rod w/no proof.

  91. Wait till we do it all Over Again January 31st, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    Oh, I think lets go yankees is making some valid points, as well as Rich in NJ. This is certainly a debatable topic. I just happen to be on the other side.

  92. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    Wait till we do it all Over Again

    Of course, it’s possible, but I don’t see the spike in performance even when we know he did them from 2001-2003.

    So yes, maybe A-Rod did them in 2005. Maybe Jon Lester and Felix Herndez did them at one time. Who knows?

  93. bronxbrain January 31st, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    I have to believe that the Yankees intend Hughes to become a starter. If he serves as Mo’s setup guy this season, it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. But it would leave Hughes stuck in the same situation in which he now finds himself: never having pitched enough innings in any season to serve as a reliable starter. Much as the team needs him, I think they ought to consider letting him rack up sixty or so innings as a starter at SWB and then call him up to serve as the eighth-inning man. I fear that, if they don’t do that, then Hughes will never be ready to serve as the (great) starting pitcher that he is capable of being.

  94. Wait till we do it all Over Again January 31st, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    Rich-Well I’m only mentioning A-Rod because right now he’s our topic of discussion. Also we know he took steroids from 01′-03′.

  95. Joe Vogel January 31st, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    Rich,

    Are you conveniently ignoring 2005-2008? In regards to 2004, Rodriguez’s performance could have been impaired by other factors (ie–transition to a new team, nagging injuries, bad domestic relationship, etc.). PED users can have off-years too. That is not the issue. The issue is whether or not PED usage substantially boosts performance ( and to a lesser extent whether Rodriguez’s usage was limited to Texas). I’m really surprised that you’re denying its benefit.
    Anyway, it’s been a hoot. Gotta go meet with collegues. Enjoy the remainder of your weekend.

  96. lets go yankees January 31st, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Wait,

    There is definitely circumstantial evidence. I guess I took more issue with the “incredible” amount, which in hindsight is a stupid argument to have so I should not have raised the point.

    However, it remains that my point is, it is not fair to say steroids make you a better baseball player without any real evidence. Steroids are a drug and I think it is dangerous to make determinations about a drug with a few observations and without any scientific evidence.

    And finally, like Keith Law said there were plenty of sucky baseball players who still sucked after taking steroids so I guess that would qualify as circumstantial evidence for the opposite side.

  97. Carl January 31st, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    What if he didn’t

  98. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    Joe

    “Are you conveniently ignoring 2005-2008? ”

    Not at all, but his OPS was about as high in 1996, so was he doing them then too? Did he stop in 1997 when his OPS significantly declined? It’s all speculation.

    Wait till we do it all Over Again

    Right, and his stats didn’t spike in those years, and he did much better at home as I posted on the previous thread.

    I have to go out. I’ll check in later.

  99. lets go yankees January 31st, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    January 31st, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    Oh, I think lets go yankees is making some valid points, as well as Rich in NJ. This is certainly a debatable topic. I just happen to be on the other side.

    ————————

    Yeah, there is no way there is a right answer here. The time period you presented is definitely very questionable, and I have a feeling that if they were able to do a study on steroids it would support your theory. Just not on that side yet until/if that study is done

  100. Joe Vogel January 31st, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    One last point: For anyone who doesn’t believe that PED’s do not aid in athletic performance.

    Why would countless athletes, across dozens of sports, ranging from numerous countries across the globe continue to employ their usage decade upon decade?
    At the very least, this demonstrates that their is a perception in the international athletic community that PED’s do improve athletic performance.

  101. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 31st, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    In so it was in 2004 AD, in the year of our lord, that Mannius decided that is was time for him to be with child and so visited the royal pharmacy wherein the king’s pharmacist mixed up a special formula and told Mannius to take it so he might be big and strong – and fertile. Mannius used that formula and though he was still not with child he was able to lead the forces in battle. Behind Mannius was his loyal friend Fattius Ortizius. Fattius was concerned for Mannius and wanted his good friend to give conserve his energy so that he might conceive and so he, Fattius, sent his forces far and wide and to pharmacies in nearby Dominicus so that they might make him a magic potion to keep him strong so that Mannius could keep his strength and try to conceive. Fattius drank many of those shakes and they made him big(ger) and strong and soon Fattius was standing at the front of the forces with Mannius.

    And so it was in 2004 AD, in the year of our lord, that Fattius and Mannius grew big and strong. Mannius did not conceive but continued to take the royal potion.

    Octavious rejoiced and gave ducats to the royal pharmacist and spent many hours in prayer, hoping that Mannius would conceive. Octavious sadly recounted to the royal pharmacist tales that happened when his cousin Augustius did not have royal potions for the troops, and thus was named The Augustius Massacre, when troops from the south came in and obliterated the troops. It took them 5 days, but afte those 5 days, the troops led by Mannius and Fattius were soundly defeated. Octavious mourned and promised that he would not see that happen again.

    And to make sure he remembered, Octavious had the the following burnished into his gluteus maximus: XXVIII. When the head of court asked Octavious if he preferred VII, he sold him into slavery to a distant army.

    So it was written on the 31st day of Januarious, 2010 AD, in the year of our lord.

  102. steveoh January 31st, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    I think Hughes is the favorite to be 5th starter. Joba could still make it, but after watching him start last season, I’m thinking more and more that he is better suited to be a top reliever.

    I also favor Winn over Gardner. Take out his aberrant numbers vs lefties last season, and his production otherwise the past 3 seasons is the best you could possibly hope for from Gardner.

    2007: .300/.353/.445 (15 sb/3 cs)
    2008: .306/.363/.426 (25 sb/2 cs)
    2009 vs. righties: .292/.354/.397 (16 sb/2 cs)

    I don’t think Gardner is capable of more production than that, and from what I’ve seen, probably less. However, I wouldn’t be unhappy if he proves me wrong.

  103. Octavious January 31st, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Good one Trishalicious lol.

  104. Wait till we come to the Sardine Can January 31st, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    I don’t think sucky baseball players are evidence for the opposit side though. There were sucky players in every era of baseball; the people I’m pointing out are players who had IMMORTAL seasons and (for some) careers, and they all happened in the same era, sometimes in the same season. You’ll find 50 or 100 or more sucky players in every era, but in no other era will you find such a large number of players who weren’t just good, but better than every player who ever played. And remember, it was more than 1 player who had these numbers.

    But, until and if we get proof, it’s still just conjecture and surmise.

  105. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 31st, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    :D

    Thank you Octavious!

  106. Wait till we do it all Over Again January 31st, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    Ooops, I just switched to a different computer and still had my old screenname in.

  107. Carl January 31st, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    wow that was good trisha

  108. optimist January 31st, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    damon will sign

  109. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 31st, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Thanks Carl! It came to me in a flash, but having Octavious and Augustus really set it up for me!

    :)

  110. Pat M. January 31st, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Chad, when do you head down to Tamps for Spring Training ????? Tricia, Roman History 101…

  111. GreenBeret7 January 31st, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Pat M.
    January 31st, 2010 at 5:43 pm
    Chad, when do you head down to Tamps for Spring Training ????? Tricia, Roman History 101…

    ____________________________________________________________

    Wouldn’t that be Roman History CI?

  112. GreenBeret7 January 31st, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    I’ll be curious to see/find out what sort of contract negotiations/scouting mission that Levine and Cashman are on while squiring the WS Trophy around the Far East.

  113. Pat M. January 31st, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    Kobe Bryant just broke many a Boston / New England heart about 5 minutes ago……

  114. Billy Z January 31st, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Winn will end up playing more than Gardner.

  115. CD January 31st, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    celtics got old really fast.

  116. T15D23 January 31st, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    CHAMBERLAIN IS NOT A STARTER. When will this stop already. He is a thrower. He needs to find whatever he had in 2007 and pitch in the late innings. Anything else is a joke.

    Rotation:

    CC
    AJ
    Pettitte
    Vazquez
    Hughes

    Move Granderson to LF, Gardner to CF and keep Pena as the utility infielder.

    Kei Igawa? How about just buying him a one way ticket back to Japan and clear a space for someone who can pitch at the AAA level already.

  117. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 31st, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    Pat M if you are suggesting that there was a need for historical accuracy a la Roman history as opposed to the hilarity involved in the basta*dization of names and words, I would recommend to you that you write your own saga!

    :)

  118. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 31st, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    “Wouldn’t that be Roman History CI?”

    :lol:

    I think you’ve thinking of Steroidius Investigationius CSI!

  119. Pat M. January 31st, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    Tricia, I enjoyed it completely…..

  120. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! January 31st, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    Pat M, thank you. I had a blast writing it. Makes me think all my time in church listening to readings from the old testament haven’t been wasted!

    :)

  121. David in Cal January 31st, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    I’d like to see Hughes win the 5th starter job., Joba had a chance last year and was a disappointment. Let’s see what Phil can do.

  122. pete January 31st, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    The innings issues with Joba vs. Phil make it obvious to me that Joba is a clear-cut favorite for the starting job, and I agree with Betsy – Phil should go to AAA to start the year. Hughes needs to use this year to build up innings and stamina, period. If he pitches to a 1.05 ERA in the IL, fine, but honestly the guy has less than half a season at the AAA level. Giving him a season in AAA (assuming that nobody in the rotation gets injured, a very unlikely scenario) would allow him to A) pitch 180 innings for us next year, and B) further hone his pitches so that by the time he is starting up here, he is a little bit more ready. Delaying Phil’s development another year by throwing him in the bullpen again wouldn’t be the end of the world, but Robertson showed he is plenty capable of handling the “setup” role next year, and aceves, marte, gaudin, and mitre should be more then enough to complement that back end. With our rotation, the bullpen’s not going to be an issue next year, with or without hughes. But we need him to be ready for a full season in 2011, since we’ll likely not have Pettitte back.

  123. pete January 31st, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    T15D23: sorry dude, but that’s ridiculous. For all intents and purposes, chamberlain’s real career will begin in 2011, when he is fully ready and able to handle a 200 inning workload. Until the end of the 2011 season, saying anything about whether or not he’s a starter is just baseless speculation. Joba has showed us in each of the last two years that he has a TON of promise as a starter. In 2008, he was utterly dominant as a starter, with a K/9 of almost 9, and an ERA of like 2.62. In ’09, he was essentially an up-and-down but overall good young starter (3.70 ERA) until he hit his previous innings high, and started to fall off a cliff. And honestly, what could there possibly be that tells you Hughes, who has never had anywhere near the success Joba has had as a starter, and has two quality pitches and a developing third pitch, would be better than Joba, who has a more diverse repertoire and better stuff when he’s on? I’m not doubting hughes, but at this point, Joba’s much more of a starter than hughes is. You just need to stop being so impatient with these pitchers. Typically pitchers aren’t expected to begin their MLB careers until they’ve got about 600 minor league innings under their belts. Joba has what, 100? Give the kid some friggen time, for christ’s sake.

  124. ortforshort January 31st, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    The team is half baked. Its unfinished because the Yankees are gambling that they’ll get lucky and several things will break their way so they don’t have to spend any more money (go over budget). It’s a crappy way to operate. It never works (they’ve been doing this every year lately). Then you end up in a hole and having to make moves out of weakness / desperation in the spring and summer instead of out of strength in the winter. Its General Managing on Lay Away. I would have invested in Bedard and Chang as potential fifth starters – there’s nothing in Chamberlain’s or Hughes’ body of work indicating that they’re going to succeed any time soon as a big league starter. I would have made an effort to sign Damon for a year or, if need be, two. Gardner \ Winn simply doesn’t cut it. We still don’t have a #5 hitter. Granderson is not the player because he’s so vulnerable against lefthanders.If Granderson was the best we were going to do, re-signing Matsui for a year or two would have been the way to go. I’d have protected Kroenke and not traded Dunn. They’re both much better potential options as a lefty to step in if Marte takes another nose dive. I also would have tried to get a better option than Logan to throw in the mix. I like Pena, but wonder if he will hit enough. I’d have kept Hairston, he did a nice job last year. I’d have also kept Hinske, he added a nice bat on the bench. In other words, if we weren’t spending on young guys who could improve the team, I would have made an effort to keep what we had. Instead, we’ve downgraded significantly.

  125. Mike Mineo February 1st, 2010 at 1:22 am

    hughes is on another level… joba really isn’t even competition

    the stuff and endurance of hughes towers over joba in oblivious form

  126. JeterJobaCanoFan2010 February 1st, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Mike M.

    When Phil had to pitch behind Joba in the rotation last year he didn’t do as well as when he pitched before Joba. And in the WS – Phil choked and Girardi chose Joba over Phil. Don’t you think this two have always known that there is this competition between them? Joba will win this competition also. He will be #5.

    Joba is the better pitcher, more experienced in both the rotation and bp. Oblivious form???

  127. JeterJobaCanoFan2010 February 1st, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Pete: I like your Joba style. He is clearly the superior pitcher and ST will prove that fact.

  128. spk February 1st, 2010 at 11:59 am

    Sign Hudson for cheap money and move Cano to left.

  129. pistol pete February 2nd, 2010 at 12:58 am

    Starting pitching is clearly improved but I still don’t like the offensive lineup as well. Losing Matsui and Damon is going to be difficult especially late in games and against tough lefthanders. Bench should have a right handed bat and doesn’t yet. I’m sure Cashman knows this and will be active at the trade deadline if the left field experiment fails which is a real possibility. It’s too bad Sheffield is such a bad clubhouse guy, he’d be a good veteran off the bench but his personality is toxic. I’m sure Cashman will find right handed help later in the season.

  130. Zell February 8th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Chamberlain opened last season in the rotation..okay…but why does that make him the favorite?

    Joba Chamberlain has shown us nothing as a starter. The guy can barely get past the 6th inning. The 5th slot is up in the air..

    Zell

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