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Jeter’s Top Three

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Feb 02, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

When I read this morning’s guest post, my reaction sequence went something like this:

Jeter the best Yankee ever? No way!

(Pause)

Well, maybe ….

(Pause)

Naaaaaahhhhh.

That said, I think the Brothers Kaftan (no relation to the Brothers Molina) make some interesting points, particularly with regard to the depth of the talent in baseball these days and the off-field challenges that players like Jeter have to face. The truth is, though, that in much the same way it’s difficult (if not impossible) to compare Hall of Famers across different generations, it’s also difficult to figure out which Yankee had it tougher/overcame more/got the most out of their talent as you try to determine who was the best. That’s usually why I don’t bother trying; it’s just a futile pursuit.

Ultimately, I’ll say this: Derek Jeter may not be the “best” Yankee ever but he’s certainly one of the most important, and he’s also provided some incredible highlights over the years. Since we can’t seem to agree on where, exactly, he fits in the Yankee pantheon, I thought it’d be nice if we could also disagree on what his most memorable plays are. Here, in reverse order, are one man’s thoughts on the Captain’s most memorable on-field moments:

3. The Face Plant: I vividly remember walking into the cramped and dingy visitors clubhouse at Shea Stadium the day after this play and seeing Jeter gingerly getting dressed with a face the color of a mailbox. He took seven stitches in his chin and had bruises that A-Rod described as “like he got knocked out by Mike Tyson.”

One of the more telling quotes about Jeter’s play came from teammate Gary Sheffield, who was asked if he thought other players would have put their bodies at risk the way Jeter did. “Guys at the end of the roster, maybe,” Sheffield said. “Guys who are trying to stay on the team.”

How about legends?

“Not many I know,” Sheffield said.

2. Mr. November: Jeter’s reputation as one of the most “clutch” players ever is one of those things that can be almost impossible to live up to all the time. Does Jeter hit well in every postseason series? Certainly not. But he does have a .321 average in the World Series and he has delivered some of the biggest hits in Yankees playoff history.

This one, in particular, sometimes get lost (if that’s possible) in the Tino/Brosius magic, as well as the fact that the Yankees went on to lose the 2001 World Series. If you were to ask Jeter, he’d absolutely say it meant nothing since they didn’t win in the end. But either way, it was one of those moments. And the camera shot of Curt Schilling as Jeter rounds the bases is absolutely priceless.

1. The Flip Play: A few things I like about this play:

• It’s a fielding play, which is rare in baseball’s catalog of “greatest plays ever.”

• It happened on the road, which means that instead of a huge Stadium ovation, it was met by the sounds of a) half the crowd going absolutely silent; and b) the other half saying to each other, “Did that really just happen?”

• It involved so many “ifs.” Think about it: Jeter being in that spot only means something IF Shane Spencer overthrows every cutoff man in the area code and IF Jeremy Giambi isn’t exactly speeding and IF he’s able to make an on-target flip and IF Jorge Posada makes a perfect swipe tag (an often overlooked element of the play) and IF Giambi doesn’t slide (something most of us still can’t believe) and IF plate umpire Kerwin Danley sees the bang-bang play correctly.

In other words, there were at least six contingencies – if not several more – that needed to go a certain way for Jeter’s positioning to be valuable. A guy could go his whole career and never be needed there, but Jeter was there anyway. And on that one day, in that one game, at that one time and for that one moment, it all broke just the way it needed to break.

And Jeter made the most memorable play of his career.

(So far.)

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139 Responses to “Jeter’s Top Three”

  1. RayVT February 2nd, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    raymagnetic
    February 2nd, 2010 at 11:54 am

    While many MLB players played in a mostly white era in the US, most of these players competed worldwide during the winter months on teams mixed racially. My uncle who pitched for the Cardinals in the 50’s played in Brazil, Venezuela, Cuba, Mexico and other countries. Quite a few of these guys played there and were paid better to do so. (Remember pay wasn’t so great back then so most players had other jobs.) These guys competed against the worlds best. The results were still terrific. IMO, todays leagues are watered down by a glut of teams and pitching shortages.

    In the international winter leagues, blacks, whites, hispanics, all played together. Also today, football and basketball, & non-sporting jobs grab a lot of talented atheletes that could have been great MLB players as well.

  2. RayVT February 2nd, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Jeter is not, nor will ever be in the Top 5 Yankee greats! Sorry!! I like Jeter!!

  3. Matty Viernes February 2nd, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    I’d just prefer the entire autumn of 2001 not to happen. There’s too much sadness that entire time. That world series was just multiple levels of heartbreak on top of what had alread happened the preceeding months.

  4. Erin February 2nd, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    Great post Sam! :)

    I’ve always loved Alex’s quote that Jeter looked like he got knocked out by Mike Tyson after the crash into the stands.

  5. Matty Viernes February 2nd, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    I know I’m probably in the minority here, but I consider the 2001 WS loss worse than the 2004 Choke. I hate that World Series. I hate it with a passion because how much I bought into the 2001 team and then they crushed me. At a time that I didn’t need to be crushed.

  6. Bob in NH February 2nd, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    I love Mariano Rivera, but during his era, closers most often come in to start an inning, and often with a 2 or 3 run lead. I would not call that “one chance to get a save”. When Sparky Lyle was at his peak with Ralph Houk as manager, he often came into the game in the 7th or 8th inning with runners in scoring position…now that is “one chance to get a save”….and more often than not, Lyle retired the side without giving up a run!

  7. m February 2nd, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    You’re right, Sam.

    We all (with the exception of the Kaftan Bros.) underestimate the scrutiny these players live under.

    Dr. & Mrs. Jeter did a great job raising and molding their son.

    But Jeter gets a huge break from papers & what not. Like Tiger used to. Jeter better be a good boy after he gets married. Maybe that’s why he said before that he was going to get married after baseball. ;)

    But you’re right, there are eyes and cell-phone cameras everywhere now. And gossip columnists that aren’t as willing to cooperate.

    But did you notice that, by and large, ball players now are pretty clean? I mean Miguel Cabrera’s in rehab, but other than that there aren’t too many raging alcoholics.

  8. Nick in SF in NC February 2nd, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    The Flip Play is of course my favorite because… I was there!

    And not just there but sitting behind home plate shaded just a bit up the first place line. My brother and I were stunned and overjoyed while most of the crowd around us was dazed and confused.

    Let us not forget, please, that the lone run scored in that came came from a Jorge Posada solo homer.

    El Duque was the pitcher the next day, also an elimination game for the Yanks. That was the game in which Jermaine Dye fouled a pitch off his ankle and broke it.

    But I digress.

    The Flip Play was quintessential Jeter!

    Sports Geek: sometimes the march of time and progress demands taking it to the new thread. Adapt or be left behind!

  9. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! February 2nd, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Nick in SF in NC-

    Are you loving the snow???

  10. m February 2nd, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Isn’t it anti-OPPC to be done with Cashman?

  11. DaSaint007 February 2nd, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    I love Jeter. Not like I love Willie Randolph, but that’s just me. That said, this discussion can continue for weeks, and I’m not about to get caught up in it. I just want the pre-ST moves to be complete, and Spring Training to start so that the competitions to fill out the roster can begin.

  12. Bronx Jeers February 2nd, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    I’m considering starting a grass-roots campaign asking that “The Flip” be re-named “The Shovel”

    It was too long a throw to be just a “Flip” At least 30 feet.

  13. Frank February 2nd, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    “At a time that I didn’t need to be crushed.”

    But also at a time where results weren’t necessarily the most important thing. Baseball in late 2001, and sports in general for that matter, were in my mind were more about being a diversion when one was needed most and a small part of the healing process. Not sure I can really put this into words why (Check out 9 Innngs From Ground Zero – I think it captures the essence of what baseball meant at that time), but that postseason always felt special to me despite how it ended.

  14. Nick in SF in NC February 2nd, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    The snow was great on Saturday and Sunday. School was cancelled Monday due to black ice. It seemed kind of bogus but the kids were happy. Now it’s pretty much rain/slush/ice, not so thrilling.

  15. Pat M. February 2nd, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Derel Jeter is the perfect baseball player…..

  16. SJ44 February 2nd, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Mariano has had more 6+ out saves in the post-season than anybody in history.

    He also rarely pitches with a 3 run lead unless he needs the work.

    He has also had more sustained greatness at his position than anybody who has ever played the post-season.

    Since 1996, he has not had a bad year. No other closer in the history of baseball has had 14 straight years of dominance at the position.

    Mariano was a much better closer than Sparky Lyle, its not even close, and I was a big Lyle fan.

  17. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! February 2nd, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    m
    February 2nd, 2010 at 12:35 pm
    Isn’t it anti-OPPC to be done with Cashman?

    ***************

    No.

    And for the record, I reserve the right to be as hypocritcal as I would like to be during my period of mourning

  18. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! February 2nd, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    Nick in SF in NC
    February 2nd, 2010 at 12:39 pm
    The snow was great on Saturday and Sunday. School was cancelled Monday due to black ice. It seemed kind of bogus but the kids were happy. Now it’s pretty much rain/slush/ice, not so thrilling.

    ***********

    Out of curiousity, when was the last time you saw snow?

  19. S.o.S. February 2nd, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    I cant believe his signature over the shoulder catches arent one of them.

    How about that homerun he hit against the O’s where he had the homefield advantage work for him?

  20. Coach6423 February 2nd, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Mariano is the greatest relief pitcher of all time, and it is not particularly close.

  21. S.o.S. February 2nd, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Lohud should start another thread of the top 3 hottest women Jeters been with.

  22. stanzy February 2nd, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Flip play link is wrong right now. Here it is: http://video.aol.ca/video-deta.....3043227141

  23. Nick in SF in NC February 2nd, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    The last time I saw snow…was in November or December, up in Lake Tahoe. It’s not such a novelty. It’s been much longer since I’ve seen snow in Charlotte, however.

  24. blake February 2nd, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Nick,
    Did you take advantage of restaurant week in Charlotte?

  25. GreenBeret7 February 2nd, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    SJ44
    February 2nd, 2010 at 12:40 pm
    Mariano has had more 6+ out saves in the post-season than anybody in history.

    He also rarely pitches with a 3 run lead unless he needs the work.

    He has also had more sustained greatness at his position than anybody who has ever played the post-season.

    Since 1996, he has not had a bad year. No other closer in the history of baseball has had 14 straight years of dominance at the position.

    Mariano was a much better closer than Sparky Lyle, its not even close, and I was a big Lyle fan.

    ————————————————————

    I have faith in Rivera at the end of a game, regardless of his previous outcome. Not saying that he’s one of the greatest pitchers of all time or even greatest Yankee pitcher, but, it amazies me that his worst season as a reliever was a year where his ERA was a brutal 3.15. 8 years of an ERA under 2?

    The other surprising stat who few errors are made behind him…22 unearned runs in over 1000 innings.One day, just for kicks, I’m going to figure out just how few there have been. That says much about how relaxed but confident his defense is behind him.

  26. Nick in SF in NC February 2nd, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Not so much. My brother-in-law likes to cook. And the weather has not been condusive to night driving.

    Erica, since Brian Cashman made multiple offers to Johnny Damon, including the most generous offer (and only two-year offer) to date (as far as we know), isn’t your anger misplaced?

  27. rover February 2nd, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Wow! what an honor for any player to even be in this best ever discussion.

    The problem is we only had 80-90% of the Mick for what, maybe 2/3s of his career. Going from a strictly tools perspective not results, Mick maybe is the best ever yankee.

  28. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day February 2nd, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    I love the flip play – I could watch that over and over again.

  29. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 2nd, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    SportsGeek, I too have an aversion to the “new post” and jumping like salmon upstream. It drives me crazy.

    I am going to double post because I’m late to this dance but want to say something else that drives me crazy. People are not “stupid”, “dumb”, “morons”, or any other depracating word when they happen to disagree with a premise or come up with one that someone else may not accept as valid. If you’re someone who uses these words on others because you don’t agree with their premise or they don’t agree with yours, please stop. It takes down the level of civility on the forum, a level that has gotten quite high since Sam, Chad, and Josh have taken over.

    Thank you.

  30. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day February 2nd, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    I don’t even know what there is to say about Mo anymore. Goose Gossage does, though. Everytime he opens his mouth about Mo, he sounds like Jim Rice, bitter as heck.

  31. Bob in NH February 2nd, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    I never said Lyle was better than Mariano. But at his peak (I repeat, at his peak, for a 4 or 5 year stretch, I’m not talking about career), I had more confidence in Lyle getting out of a jam than Rivera. Lyle would come in with no outs, runners on 2nd and 3rd, and get out of it with no runs — then go on to pitch the 8th and 9th! Six years of 100+ innings. But I agree, Mariano is the best closer, career-wise (and especially post-season-wise) of all-time — sorry for all the hyphens!

  32. Number23 February 2nd, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    “I know I’m probably in the minority here, but I consider the 2001 WS loss worse than the 2004 Choke. I hate that World Series. I hate it with a passion because how much I bought into the 2001 team and then they crushed me.”

    I feel the complete reverse. In 2004, the Yankees killed the Red Sox up until the ninth inning of game four. They were the dominant team and deserved to win.

    I really didn’t feel that badly about the results of 2001. The Yankees were completely outplayed, out scored and out pitched. If there’s justice in sports, the D-Backs deserved that comeback. I guess another way of looking at it would be that had the Yanks won in 2001 it would have been payback for losing against the Pirates in 1960, a series in which they dominated the other side and still lost.

  33. Shame Spencer February 2nd, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    While the jump post thing can be annoying I wonder what other type of solution people on the board can come up with. The problem is rooted in the fact that regardless of the newest post on the site, the comments sections are more of a free flowing conversation that just continues regardless of the post topic. Didn’t Pete Abe poll us a while back about changing the format of the comments but in the end it was decided to keep it as is? I’m sure the guys would be open to suggestions to change things.. its just a matter of coming up with a solution that fits.

  34. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day February 2nd, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Wow, I never thought I’d hear anyone say they had more confidence in anyone else getting out of a jam than Mo.

  35. Coach6423 February 2nd, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Bob in NH,

    Not best closer, best relief pitcher….

  36. Wait till we do it all over Again February 2nd, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    The only pitcher you MIGHT have a case for being better than Mariano is Rollie Fingers. That dude was an awesome, and nowadays underrated, closer. I’d definitely put him two to Mo, but there’s a debate to be made. Hoffman is three.

    The top three are all pretty close, but Mo is on top.

  37. Number23 February 2nd, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    “But Jeter gets a huge break from papers & what not. Like Tiger used to. Jeter better be a good boy after he gets married. Maybe that’s why he said before that he was going to get married after baseball. ;)

    But you’re right, there are eyes and cell-phone cameras everywhere now. And gossip columnists that aren’t as willing to cooperate.”

    You really think that Jeter gets special treatment from the NYC media? I just don’t see it. I think the Daily News would salivate over the chance to put Jeter on the cover with his pants down. These rags exist for bringing people down and Jeter doesn’t get a pass. Nobody gets a pass.

  38. SJ44 February 2nd, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    Mariano’s success rate was higher than Lyle’s.

    Aside from personal comfort, the numbers re: Rivera’s success rate vs. Lyle’s aren’t even close. Mariano has been more successful. Even when compared to Sparky’s best years as a Yankee.

  39. Roberto for Paul February 2nd, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    How about the Timo Perez throw? Clutch World Series play right there-

  40. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 2nd, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Shame, I don’t think I have as much an aversion to the announcement of the new post (though frankly I could live without it, people do seem to like it) as much as I have an aversion to people summarily abandoning a thread to jump to a new one instead of continuing the relevant discussion on the old thread. I will say that it doesn’t happen all the time, especially during an extremely “hot” discussion; but generally it does, and people then bring the old conversation to the new thread and discuss it rather than the topic of the new thread. I don’t have an answer beyond encouraging people not to thread hop like crickets just because something new is posted. But I end up doing it with everyone else because it is the only way to continue discussion by and large.

    No good answer, just an honest comment.

  41. Danny Tartabull February 2nd, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    The throw misses the cutoff man, SHOVELED TO THE PLATE, OUT AT THE PLATE!!!!!!!!

    DEREK JETER WITH ONE OF THE MOST UNBELIEVABLE PLAYS YOU WILL EVER SEE BY A SHORTSTOP!

    Love the crowd in that clip lol. Sounds like 50,000 people were all saying “Ouch” at the same time when Giambi was tagged out.

  42. ariel February 2nd, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Jeter is, and will retire as, the #5 greatest Yankee of all-time. IMO, it’s Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, DiMaggio, Jeter, Mariano, Yogi, Whitey.

    One wonders who the #1 would be if the question was..”Who is/was the Most VALUABLE to the team over a stipulated period such as 10 years? My vote goes to Mariano under that criterion. Where would the Yankees have finished during any 10 year period of Mo’s career? then ask the same question regarding any other Yankee.

  43. Wait till we do it all over Again February 2nd, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    2004 was a very unusual year in many respects. The teams’ records and performances up until game 4 would lead you to believe the Yankees were the better team, yet the Red Sox as a team had a much better ERA, more innings pitched by starters and (though the Yankees’ offense was excellent that year as well) a lineup that put 50 more runs on the board than the Yankees.

    In fact, it’s pretty amazing that the Yankees won more games than the Red Sox that year, or took a three games to none lead. That was certainly a statistical outlier. Most of the time when you hit and pitch worse than another team, you win less games. In a way, up until game 4 it was the Yankees who were exceeding expectations and the Red Sox who were choking. It’s all about perception though, and the Yankees LOOKED like the better team.

    That doesn’t excuse the collapse of course, only offers a new perspective to look at it with.

  44. DaSaint007 February 2nd, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    My bet is Damon lands in Detroit alongside AJax. Probably won’t play much LF, but still can lead off or bat second. Say hello to Phil for me Johnny.

  45. Wait till we do it all over Again February 2nd, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    ariel-It’s still Ruth. W/o Mariano the Yanks would probably still have at least two, maybe three, World Series, and would probably make the playoffs most of the time. Ruth turned the Yankees’ from perennial contenders into pennant-winning champions.

  46. Coach6423 February 2nd, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    How is Hoffman even close. He has saved a lot of games, sure, the Padres played alot of close games. However, he is the epitome of fail in tough situations…

  47. m February 2nd, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    I think someone asked if another if they would put the topic on their “new post” post. And that person has kindly obliged. Chad and Sam have also done it, and it’s very considerate imo.

    As for moving on to the next thread and co-mingling topics? This blog is one collective stream of consciousness. An ever-flowing thread of thought and dialogue.

    People are more than welcome to hang out on old threads, and very often do.

    I’ve also seen people suggest they take the conversation back to old threads for whatever reason. Nothing has stopped people from posting on old threads.

  48. SteveB February 2nd, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    I also compare 2001 to 1960, except the 2001 Yankees team was lucky to make it to game 7, and the Pirates were the ones lucky to make it to their game 7. And both games 7 were back & forth right to the end. To this day I can’t watch those incredible Yankee Stadium wins, because that series bothers me so much, and I have DVDs of those games too. I thought we were on our way to winning the Series in 2003 until Boomer walked off the mound in game 5 after 1 inning, which to this day I don’t understand… I mean, don’t take the mound in a 2-2 WS & tell Stottlemyre if your back won’t allow you to pitch, dummy! In 2004, it’s amazing how the Yankees dominated the Sox, then the Sox dominated the Yankees. The Sox won 2004 fair & square and they beat Mo to get there. I hate to say this but you gotta give them credit.

  49. ariel February 2nd, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    The next to last sentence should read..”Where would the Yankees have finished during each year of any ten year period of Mo’s career without Mariano (as compared to “with”).

    It’s all speculation of course, but that’s what we do any way…simply a matter of degree. I do remember that Torre, when asked, answered without any hesitation, that Mo was the most valuable..FWIW

  50. lets go yankees February 2nd, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    I think the Babe is in a league of his own. Everyone else, I agree with Sam that it is a futile effort to compare players across generations.

    Babe Ruth is the only iconic and legendary Yankee. He is the only Yankee that is not just a part of baseball history but American culture. Every kid in the United States knows who the Great Bambino is growing up.

    Except for that nerd from the Sandlot of course…

  51. Frank February 2nd, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    “However, he is the epitome of fail in tough situations”

    Not as long as Tom Gordon continues to draw breath.

  52. Wait till we do it all over Again February 2nd, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Trevor Hoffman doesn’t have the playoff credentials, but you can’t just ignore the regular season dominance.

    Mind you, he’s not as dominant as Mo in the regular season either.

  53. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! February 2nd, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    Nick in SF in NC
    February 2nd, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Erica, since Brian Cashman made multiple offers to Johnny Damon, including the most generous offer (and only two-year offer) to date (as far as we know), isn’t your anger misplaced?

    **************

    No

  54. The Dude February 2nd, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Here are the 10 best Yankees ever:

    1) Babe Ruth 9) Don Mattingly
    2) Lou Gehrig 10) Thurman Munson
    3) Mickey Mantle
    4) Joe Dimaggio
    5) Mariano Rivera
    6) Whitey Ford
    7) Yogi Berra
    8) Derek Jeter

  55. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 2nd, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    “I know I’m probably in the minority here, but I consider the 2001 WS loss worse than the 2004 Choke. I hate that World Series. I hate it with a passion because how much I bought into the 2001 team and then they crushed me. At a time that I didn’t need to be crushed.”

    Interesting Matty because I was more bothered by 2001 and then the one that got me the most – 2006. Murderer’s Row plus Cano.

    When I can explain things to myself in a way that can bring about equilibrium, I can deal with them well enough. While the Yankees were on the brink of success in 2004, they had dealt with an injured rotation throughout the course of the season. Yankee pitchers were DLd more than they were healthy. 2004 was year that only one team had a starting rotation that never saw the DL – and that was the Red Sox. We all know the value of a healthy starting rotation and how it pays dividends to the bullpen. So while 2004 was a big dose of cold water, I can understand it happening. At what point does the bullpen lose its effectiveness if it has to be overused.

    2006 though. That felt like a dagger to me. Murderer’s Row and Cano, the New York Yankees the team that the media just could not stop writing about. And then Joe Torre sits the guys who got him there and caves to Gary Sheffield. And bats Arod 8th. That was one of the worst managed playoffs that I’ve ever witnessed.

    2001 and 2006 took a lot more out of my sails than 2004 every could have. I will say that later on, I made peace with 2001 when Mariano said he believed the reason for the loss was so that Enrique Wilson could live. (Wilson would have been on the flight that crashed on the way to the DR had the Yankees won.) I can actually feel better about those explanations than I do about what happened in 2006.

  56. Frank February 2nd, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    If only Cashman could have paid him a pretend $13M per year.

  57. Jim the VT Yankeefan February 2nd, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Leaving aside all of the intangibles that Jeter has brought to the Yankees, his numbers alone make him worthy of at least being in the discussion for Greatest All-Time Yankee.

    Here is where Jeter projects to finish on the Yankee lists.

    Games – 1st (Currently 3rd)
    At bats – 1st (Currently 1st)
    Hits – 1st (Currently 1st)
    Doubles – 1st (Currently 4th)
    Triples – 8th (Currently 19th)
    Homers – 8th (Currently 10th)
    RBIs – 6th (Currently 10th)
    Walks – 5th (Currently 7rd)
    SB – 1st (Currently 2nd)
    Batting – 5th

  58. Wait till we do it all over Again February 2nd, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    The Dude-That’s a good list. You could quibble with some of the middle spots though. I think I’d put Berra 5, Jeter 7, and Mo 8.

  59. Wait till we do it all over Again February 2nd, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Jeter does belong in the discussion, but any serious thought should be enough to rank him below “The Big Four”.

  60. RSM February 2nd, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Jeter is up there with the all time great Yankees, however, Ruth is not only the greatest Yankee ever, but the greatest baseball player ever. I really see no room to debate this.

  61. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 2nd, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    “Nothing has stopped people from posting on old threads.”

    Except that for the most part they don’t.

    mel, let’s call it what it is. We don’t need extra language to justify it. If people are cool with it then so be it. But when a new thread is announced, people generally jump there like crickets on tin roofs. It’s likely a throwback to when Pete was here and the announcement of “new thread” was typically the end of the discussion on the “old” thread.

    Everybody knows they have the right and ability to go back to and old thread. Nobody needs permission. It just basically isn’t the way it happens here.

    It’s not my favorite thing. It doesn’t seem to bother other people. So be it.

  62. Tom in NJ February 2nd, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    For anybody who cares about this sort of thing:

    THUNDER ANNOUNCE 2010 BOBBLEHEAD SCHEDULE
    6 CHAMPIONS AND THE NUMBER ONE PROSPECT

    April 23 Joba Chamberlain

    May 14 Phil Hughes

    June 11 Brett Gardner

    July 2 Francisco Cervelli

    July 16 Robinson Cano

    August 6 David Robertson

    September 2 Jesus Montero

    http://www.trentonthunder.com/.....2#20100202

  63. Brian Cashman $$$$$$$ February 2nd, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    The New York Yankees and Johnny Damon are PARTING WAYS

  64. The Dude February 2nd, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    Trisha,

    Nothing is worse than losing to the Sox. I still want revenge for 2004. With that said, 2001 was a real heartbreaker, because of 9-11. But the reality is that if Arizona had even a marginally good closer that year, we would have never travelled back to Arizona that year. 2007 bothers me more than 2006, because we had a dominant pen down the stretch, and we had Moose, Andy, & even Roger to go into the playoffs. It was those damn bugs, Torre should have pulled the team off of the field, period.

    But 2004 is inexcusable. I know our pitching stunk, but there is no way to justify losing a three game lead to your hated rival. Torre should have been fired on the spot.

  65. William Buckner February 2nd, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    “Here are the 10 best Yankees ever:

    1) Babe Ruth 9) Don Mattingly
    2) Lou Gehrig 10) Thurman Munson”
    3) Mickey Mantle
    4) Joe Dimaggio
    5) Mariano Rivera
    6) Whitey Ford
    7) Yogi Berra
    Derek Jeter

    Fair, but I’d have Berra and Jeter ahead of Ford. When Jeter is done, he probably going to be over 3500 hits. That trumps a lot.

    And Arod ahead of others there too. 6 years, 2 MVP, one championship and counting.

  66. The Dude February 2nd, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    RSM- Amen.

  67. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 2nd, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    “In a way, up until game 4 it was the Yankees who were exceeding expectations and the Red Sox who were choking. It’s all about perception though, and the Yankees LOOKED like the better team.”

    Wait, absolutely correct.

  68. Bronx Jeers February 2nd, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    “The throw misses the cutoff man, SHOVELED TO THE PLATE, OUT AT THE PLATE!!!!!!!!”

    Is this the actual transcript?

    If so, I may use this in my possible campaign to re-name “The Flip” :wink:

  69. Erin February 2nd, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    Tom in NJ
    February 2nd, 2010 at 1:36 pm
    For anybody who cares about this sort of thing:

    THUNDER ANNOUNCE 2010 BOBBLEHEAD SCHEDULE
    6 CHAMPIONS AND THE NUMBER ONE PROSPECT

    July 2 Francisco Cervelli

    July 16 Robinson Cano

    ***********************
    Ooooh….would I be a happy girl with these two bobbleheads! :D

  70. Wait till we do it all over Again February 2nd, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Ooooh, totally forgot about A-Rod. Stick him at five and push everybody back one.

  71. m February 2nd, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    Crickets? Is that another euphamism for sheep?

    Crickets is what you hear when people move on to the next night club and didn’t tell you they left. (metaphorically speaking ;) )

  72. Tom in NJ February 2nd, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Oh, and it seems BP has updated (again) the PECOTA system thing. It’s much, much, better if you’re a Yankee fan:

    http://baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/

  73. Carl February 2nd, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Igawa Ruth

  74. The Dude February 2nd, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    William Buckner,

    I agree on bumping Jeter ahead, when his career is done. I’m not so sure on Arod. The steroids will hurt him from cracking the top ten. And even though he will have better stats than Munson or Donnie, he will never be as beloved as those players. I put him top 15 right now though.

  75. m February 2nd, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    And I can’t believe people think people are moving on just because Erin or Chad or Sam say there’s a new post.

    Pete never put up a new thread post, but people always jumped to the new thread.

    Seriously, we’re not sheep. That’s just how it is. Like salmon or monarch butterflies or penguins.

  76. Wait till we do it all over Again February 2nd, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    The fact that the 3 AL East teams are so close is basically PECOTA admitting that they have no idea who will win the AL East.

    Ladies and gents, we’re an enigma. Congratulations.

  77. Frank February 2nd, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    “2006 though. That felt like a dagger to me. Murderer’s Row and Cano, the New York Yankees the team that the media just could not stop writing about.”

    Always thought that series turned on Game 2. Verlander had nothing and the Yankees struggled to capitalize (1 for 8 with RISP in the 1st 4 innings)with only Damon coming up big. Then Mussina couldn’t hold a 3-1 lead. Yanks go up 2-0, that series is probably over. At 1-1, it was a different article all together. Not much the Yankees could do about Game 3. Rogers had it going on. Game 4 was a mess with that crazy batting order not starting Wang. Life on the line, Jaret Wright, C. Lidle, Bruney, Proctor and Farnsworth wouldn’t be group of pitchers I’d ask for.

  78. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! February 2nd, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    Brian Cashman $$$$$$$
    February 2nd, 2010 at 1:37 pm
    The New York Yankees and Johnny Damon are PARTING WAYS

    ****************

    If there was a battle between me and this dude under the O’Neill banner, who would the good people of LoHud place their money on????

  79. Wait till we do it all over Again February 2nd, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    It’s so nice to talk about past failures right after a recent, glorious sucess. :-)

  80. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! February 2nd, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Trisha-

    Can I get in on the predictions???

    97 wins

  81. JohnC February 2nd, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    The loss in AZ in 2001 also bothers me more than the 2004 collapse cause of how magical those 2 wins in NY were, and also what winning that series would have meant for the city of NY after the devastation of 9/11

  82. Wait till we do it all over Again February 2nd, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Cashman, I’d take you Erica.

    Now, if it were Steinbrenner in his prime you were fighting, I might change my mind.

  83. vin February 2nd, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    My list of Yankee disappointments / heartache (starting with most painful):

    ’04 – I hate when simple narratives have to get re-written.

    ’95 – finally made it back to the playoffs – up 2-0. Not sure why they had a goofy schedule that year – 2 games in NY, followed by 3 in Seattle.

    ’01 – they needed so much magic just to get to a game 7 (and the WS as well)… I’ve learned to deal with it.

    ’97 – good team with a good offense, and 3 horses in the rotation… just not enough to get past the deadly Indians.

    ’06 – the Yanks were a good team that year, but everyone knew the pitching was wafer-thin. Especially considering the Tigers had some very talented arms.

    ’02 – the Yanks just got outplayed by an Angels team that was on fire with the bat.

    ’07 – another flawed Yankee team. They fixed the bullpen, but the starters just couldn’t get the job done. It hurts that the Sox would go on to win the WS. Cleveland was just better.

    ’03 – the Yanks won the *real* world series that year vs. Boston.

    ’05 – the Yanks were a horribly flawed team that year. Needed smoke and mirrors to just make it the playoffs.

  84. Wait till we do it all over Again February 2nd, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    We’re doing predicitons?

    99 wins and the division.

  85. rover February 2nd, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    The Flip Play. I wonder if every shortstop who ever plays MLB were to be at some point subjected to the exact same play would actually even put themselves in a position to make the play. Would they see it coming and react? Jeter seems to have some instincts that surpass those of mortal men on occasion. Every time I watch that play, watching him break on the ball, I am amazed. Won’t ever know the answer to my question, but I’d guess few others if any others at all.

  86. Tom in NJ February 2nd, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Well, it would have to be Erica. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, right?

  87. Steinbrenner in his prime February 2nd, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    The New York Yankees and Johnny Damon are PARTING WAYS Erica

  88. vin February 2nd, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    “It’s so nice to talk about past failures right after a recent, glorious sucess. ”

    We definitely didn’t have this conversation last year. :)

  89. Wait till we do it all over Again February 2nd, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    01′ is more painful for no other reason except that an 01′ game 7 win meant we would actually WIN the WS, while eating the Red Sox only gurantees getting there.

  90. Shame Spencer February 2nd, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Trisha, I hear what you’re saying. I was genuinely asking for opinions because while I myself am not an intelligent being I figured maybe someone here can actually come up with a viable solution.

    Also, as far as special treatment from the media goes, it certainly does exist. I know for a fact that Brian Leetch injured his ankle one year playing for the Rangers when he was drunk and getting out of a car with a mistress. The media guys knew it, but they would never report it because Brian was such a great guy. I’m not saying they should have reported it, mind you. I’m just pointing out that special players MOST DEFINITELY get special treatment, and that includes Jeter who is the NY media’s darling through and through.

  91. GreenBeret7 February 2nd, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Is done with Brian Cashman!
    February 2nd, 2010 at 1:48 pm
    Brian Cashman $$$$$$$
    February 2nd, 2010 at 1:37 pm
    The New York Yankees and Johnny Damon are PARTING WAYS

    ****************

    If there was a battle between me and this dude under the O’Neill banner, who would the good people of LoHud place their money on????

    ————————————————————

    Erica, you’d have to wait in line for your chance to knock the annoyance out of that poster.

  92. Tom in NJ February 2nd, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    however, if frailty, thy name is woman is correct, I may change my mind…

  93. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! February 2nd, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    GreenBeret7
    February 2nd, 2010 at 1:54 pm
    ————————————————————

    Erica, you’d have to wait in line for your chance to knock the annoyance out of that poster.

    *****************

    You are a Southern Gentleman right, GB7? Ladies first :-)

  94. steveoh February 2nd, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    There’s the big 4 – Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, DiMaggio – then it’s a debate.

  95. Bronx Jeers February 2nd, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    “If there was a battle between me and this dude under the O’Neill banner, who would the good people of LoHud place their money on????”

    Pftt, Like a momma bear defending her cubs.

    That’s what I’m picturing.

  96. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 2nd, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    The Dude – maybe if he got fired in 2004 I wouldn’t have had to live through the indigation of 2006 or see Joba covered with midges!!!

    :)

    mel, I didn’t say Pete made the announcement. I think our dear friend Rishi lived for new threads!!!

    ******************

    NOW HEAR THIS!!!

    rules on 2010 predictions

    please put my name somewhere in the post because I don’t generally read every post on every thread. But I can always take the time to search by my name to make sure I don’t miss any predictions.

    Right now all I am taking is 2010 season predictions, meaning Yankee wins. At some point before the season begins and if people want to do it, I will be happy to take division predictions. But for now, let’s just go with Yankee season. I will be taking them up to the start of the regular season. Then I have to shut them down. Or at least that’s what I say right now!

    :)

  97. vin February 2nd, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    If we’re doing predictions, then put me down for 98.

    I had 99 last year and, fortunately, was short… hope it happens again.

  98. Rich in NJ February 2nd, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    I think Jeter is done a disservice by fans that overrate him, similar to the way that highlighting his intangibles obscures how good his tangibles really are.

  99. GreenBeret7 February 2nd, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Is done with Brian Cashman!
    February 2nd, 2010 at 1:56 pm
    GreenBeret7
    February 2nd, 2010 at 1:54 pm
    ————————————————————

    Erica, you’d have to wait in line for your chance to knock the annoyance out of that poster.

    *****************

    You are a Southern Gentleman right, GB7? Ladies first

    ————————————————————

    Southern gentleman? sure, as long as you don’t ask my ex. You can go first, only if you promise to leave some for others.

  100. Noreaster February 2nd, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Predictions? Well, the Yankees had a 3.9 ERA in the second half of last season and they will only be better this year. 105 wins.

  101. Wait till we do it all over Again February 2nd, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    If we’re ranking mostbeloved Yankees, A-Rod’s not in the top 10.

    If we’re ranking BEST Yankees, he’s number five. Maybe, dare I say it, even higher (though I rank him five).

  102. Erica - always OPPC - Is done with Brian Cashman! February 2nd, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Trisha-

    You got mine right? I put your name in :-)

  103. Wait till we do it all over Again February 2nd, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    I’ll write it again, just in case you didn’t see it Trisha:

    99 wins and the division.

  104. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 2nd, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Erica and Wait – got ya.

    vin, yeah the Tigers had some good pitching in 2006 and even better pine tar.

  105. GreenBeret7 February 2nd, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    At least give Rodriguez 10 seasons before ranking him in Yankee history.

  106. pat February 2nd, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Why do new posts show up on twitter before here?

    :arrow: New Post

    Sorry Geek :sad:

  107. Wait till we do it all over Again February 2nd, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    GB7-I was looking more at his career as a whole than his career with the Yankees only. Since he’s going into the HOF as a Yankee (presumably) I figured it was fair to look at his whole body of work.

  108. ML February 2nd, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    My favorite part of the Flip Play (sorry to those who want to rename it; Shovel Play just isn’t as mellifluous plus who cares if it technically wasn’t a flip?) is how Jeter handled it afterwards.

    He acted like it was no big deal. Like every other player would have made the same play if they had been in his position. “We work on that play in spring training,…” etc. I don’t remember, but he probably went on to talk about Moose’s pitching and Jorge’s home run and how they were the real stars of that game. Classy til the end.

  109. m February 2nd, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    trisha,

    Rishi is indeed our friend. She has graciously shared paid content with us and is kind enough to let us know when a new thread goes up when she’s around (not often enough).

    I only mention Pete because people don’t need a new announcement to move on. For as long as I’ve been posting, he didn’t do it, and people still moved on. Just because.

    Anyway, I respect your longing for the way you think it should be.

    Just disagreed that people are doing things because it’s being “suggested”.

  110. Tom in NJ February 2nd, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Arod’s place in Yankeedom is intresting.

    He certainly is one of the most talented player to ever play for the Yankees. But so was Rickey Henderson.

    It’s hard to judge where he stands right now.

    It’s strange to say, but I feel his story is just begining…

  111. Tripps78 February 2nd, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    A-Rod is top 3 on any all-time Yankee list. He might not be a fan favorite. Actually he is but many fans do not want to admit it. When he hits home runs and drives in runs all Yankee fans cheer.

  112. Wait till we do it all over Again February 2nd, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Wait till you guys see next post, it’ll be a doozy!

  113. Wait till we do it all over Again February 2nd, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Rickey Henderson will not be in the HOF as a Yankee. A-Rod will.

  114. rover February 2nd, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Don’t they consider Ruths body of work,not just ny stats? Or have i missed something?

  115. Rich in NJ February 2nd, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    One of the reasons I strongly support A-Rod (apart from his sick ability) is that so many “fans” don’t.

  116. Wait till we do it all over Again February 2nd, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Replace will be with was.

  117. GreenBeret7 February 2nd, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Wait till we do it all over Again
    February 2nd, 2010 at 2:05 pm
    GB7-I was looking more at his career as a whole than his career with the Yankees only. Since he’s going into the HOF as a Yankee (presumably) I figured it was fair to look at his whole body of work.

    ————————————————————

    His career and his Yankee career are two separate entities.

  118. Wait till we do it all over Again February 2nd, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    He is an all time great, and he is a Yankee. Therefore, the way I look at it anyway, he is an all time Yankee great and you could look at his whole career when comparing him with other Yankees.

  119. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 2nd, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    mel, I will respectfully disagree and as much as I love the posters here, I think of it as mindless frenetic jumping.

    JMO

  120. Doreen February 2nd, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Sometimes it is a welcome break to a tiresome discussion when I see the new thread arrow (thanks, Rishi, and others more recently). More times than not I’m the last poster on a thread (or so it seems) and it’s so annoying that people have moved on, but ya go with the flow. If my post was in response to a particular person, I prefer to direct that person back a thread; if I see that the discussion has moved on, I reluctantly repost; if I don’t feel my reposting would benefit anyone but me, I leave it die in the old post.

    I would have no objection to people redirecting conversation back a thread to a keep a fresh post fresh, but it is tedious going back and forth between threads. No easy answer, but I think Chad & Sam do a good job here.

    I haven’t really weighed in on the guest post of the day. No one can argue that Jeter doesn’t belong among the best Yankees ever. But what is occurring to me as I read is that it appears that no player is ever going to be able to replace the top 4 or 5 (Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Berra), and I’m wondering if that is fair? Perhaps we can’t answer that. Perhaps that is for the next generation to say. When Jeter finally retires and enters the realm of legend. But man, that he’s in the discussion at all is quite something isn’t it?

    As far as Mariano goes – well, it seems fairly traditional that pitchers are not included in the list of greatest Yankees. Maybe that needs to change. Or maybe we just keep separate lists. It is interesting though that there really haven’t been as many hands-down “best” pitchers who were Yankees, have there?

  121. Tom in NJ February 2nd, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    I understand what you are saying wait…, and I agree with you on Arod. When it’s all said and done he will be remembered as a Yankee. But there have been some ‘all time greats’ who were Yankees-Randy Johnson, Johnny Mize, Ricky Henderson, ect.-who do not belong on a list of ‘all time Yankees”. They may have spent part of their careers here, but it wasn’t where they ‘made’ their legacy.

  122. Doreen February 2nd, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Amend that to read “no current player” seems to stand a chance to replace the long-standing “greatest ever” players.

  123. Wait till we do it all over Again February 2nd, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Tom in NJ-Oh, of course. But A-Rod will go into the HOF as a Yankee, and that is where he is making his legacy.

  124. Wait till we do it all over Again February 2nd, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Tom in NJ-Oh, of course. But A-Rod will go into the HOF as a Yankee, and that is where he is making his legacy.

  125. Wait till we do it all over Again February 2nd, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    Sorry for the double post.

  126. Rich in NJ February 2nd, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Alex will have likely played 14 seasons in NY by the time he retires, won multiple MVPs, multiple WS, and smashed multiple records.

  127. Sports Geek February 2nd, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Seems there are more than a few who don’t like the “=> New Post” comments. And a few who think they are good, and many who have made no comment on the subject.

    Shame Spencer said that “… regardless of the newest post on the site, the comments sections are more of a free flowing conversation that just continues regardless of the post topic.”
    … I partly agree with that, and partly not. I do think that many comments can be classified as free flowing conversation, but I do think that a larger portion are directly related to the subject of the initial post- I guess it depends on how much is going on, and on how “hot” the topic of the original post.

    trisha – OPPC forever said “… I will say that it doesn’t happen all the time, especially during an extremely “hot” discussion; but generally it does, and people then bring the old conversation to the new thread…”.

    It’s interesting to see all the different metaphors that have been used for “new post jumpers”- the elephants, salmon, sheep, monarch butterflies, penguins, or crickets on tin roofs. Which one are you?… LOL.. just kidding.

    I do admit it one thing- I do feel left out a lot of the time when I am only able to post in a thread “long after the audience has moved on”. It’s my ego, my need for validation, which gets hurt. But also, it is my desire to have the interesting point-counterpoint continue.. especially when it’s an issue that is important enough to me that I decide to write my own comment in the thread.

    Maybe Sam & Chad can come up with some technology or process of keeping us all happy- comments staying in the threads where they are relevant, and “continuous flow of conversation” staying active, and readers being notified of new comments being posted to an earlier thread. [current feeling-"Hopeful"]

  128. Mehdi also in SF February 2nd, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Ha! I was there too Nick. I was a bundle of nerves sitting in the right field “bleachers”. Couldn’t see what happened with Spencer cause my view was obstructed. Just saw the ball get overthrown and that was all I remember. It was so bang bang. When the ump called Fat Giambi out me and my friend jumped out of our seats. Cue, peanuts and stuff getting thrown at us. I didn’t care. All I wanted was us not to get swept. Wasn’t till I got home and saw the play over and over again till I realized how great it was.

  129. Wait till we do it all over Again February 2nd, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Sports Geek-I think you’ll enjoy the next thread.

  130. dave l February 2nd, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    if your lifetime batting average is .317, how is hitting .321 in the world series considered clutch?

  131. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes February 2nd, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Priceless.

  132. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes February 2nd, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    I celebrate the entire Derek Jeter catalog.

  133. daverave February 2nd, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    I was also at the Coliseum for the Flip Play but I was sitting way out above the outfield in the so-called luxury boxes with about 30 strangers, all of them rooting for the A’s. The game was viewed through a window (yuck) but the only advantage was that there were TVs in the box so we could instantly affirm that yes, Giambi is an idjit and DJ is a god. Wish I had been close to the field though. BTW, along with The Flip, I also witnessed first-hand The Catch and The Play.

  134. JeterJobaCanoFan2010 February 2nd, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    Jeter is indeed, a marvelous player and we all have our favorite plays. Mine is the flip. Then, last year I read somewhere that Jeter said that on that type of play that is where the ss should be.

    Kind of took the starch out of a wondrous play for me to find out it was “mechanics” rather than an inspiritional play.

    But it was still marvelous and I doubt that many MLB shortstops could have made that play with the quickness and grace of Derek Jeter.

  135. eric February 2nd, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    I was at 2 of those 3, very very cool.

  136. Daniel Love Glazer February 3rd, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    The flip play is the greatest in postseason history–probably in baseball history. Willie Mays’ back-to-the-field catch off Vic Wertz in the ’54 Series was spectacular, but from the crack of the bat, it was clear what Willie had to (try to) do. How Jeter divined that he should race from shortstop to the first-base line to backup the cutoff men is a mystery. The combination of his other-worldly alertness with his execution–the no-time-to-do-anything but-flip in one motion–was the ultimate fusion of mental and physical perfection.

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    TRISHA: while I rarely post here,I try and read this blog everyday..I see the Yanks winning 101 games in 2010.

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