The new guy in town
Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Feb 03, 2010 
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Some of you may remember Randy Winn from his time with the (then) Devil Rays, particularly Oct. 3, 1999 – when he hit an inside-the-park grand slam off Jeff Juden. You don’t see that everyday.
Eleven years later, Winn is now a member of the Yankees and he got on the phone with a west coast reporter from the AP yesterday to talk about joining his new team. It remains to be seen just how much playing time Winn will get – he’ll be competing with Brett Gardner during spring training – but he does provide the so-called “veteran presence” and it’ll be interesting to see if he can impart any wisdom about base-stealing (he averages 21 a year) or defense.
“They’re the World Series champions from last year and I have a chance to compete and get some playing time,” Winn said. “I thought it was a great fit, being a versatile guy who can play all three outfield positions and can hit anywhere in the lineup.”
At the very least, Winn has come up with an approach for how to handle himself in the clubhouse and with the media.
“I’ll be low-key,” he said. “I’ll let (Alex) Rodriguez, (Derek) Jeter and CC (Sabathia) do all the talking.”
Nooooooooo! No player should EVER let Alex do the talking!
can hit anywhere in the lineup
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Lets hope it doesnt come to that. #9 spot is perfect.
Stephen February 3rd, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Nooooooooo! No player should EVER let Alex do the talking!
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LMAO.
“Lets hope it doesnt come to that. #9 spot is perfect.”
Maybe he was talking about Spring Training. I could live with him hitting 3rd against the Braves in March.
“I’ll be low-key,” he said. “I’ll let (Alex) Rodriguez, (Derek) Jeter and CC (Sabathia) do all the talking.”
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LOL
vin,
Maybe in an intra squad game. But thats it.
Winn and Granderson will add more class to the clubhouse, if such a thing is possible.
The media lost their postgame go to quote this year. They may miss Johnny more than anyone.
Winn is garbage and washed up, we needed a cheap righty bat instead, anyhow it looks like it’s Brett’s job to lose…. He might just be keeping it warm for Carl Crawford though…. Although that might depend if Mauer goes into FA… Have to think the Yanks would break the bank for Joe M…. Posada could DH in 2011 when Mauer takes his place
“That quote from James is taken way out of context. James tried to find evidence of innate clutch hitting ability in the data, and he couldn’t find any. (Not surprising as no one has.) The quote is his conclusion, not his starting point.”
wave your hat-
read it again:
“We are supposed to believe that athletes are athletes not merely because they are fast, strong, quick,and well conditioned, but because there is something special inside them, this character comes to the fore in the crucible of athletic competition. they are athletes, in other words, because they are better people than the rest of us.
My attitude toward this can probably be inferred from my tone.i do not believe that athletes are better people than the rest of us,I do not believe there is any such thing as an ability to perform in clutch situations.”
he’s not saying from studying data that he sees no evidence of clutch play existing.
he’s giving a very strong deeply felt opinion that is full of emotion.
it sounds very much like he went into his clutch research with his opinion fully formed.
You would have thought that for under $1MM the Yanks would have gone for Reed Johnson too. Since they didn’t, I wonder if any righty hitter is in the cards.
He needs to learn that you do not list A-Rod before Jeter. Ever.
I’ve heard Winn is a good guy. I’m giving him a clean slate – if the Yankees think he’ll bounce back, then I think there is a very good chance he will.
Watch him get the first walk off hit of the year and a pie in the face – that would be a nice way to break in.
Shame, thanks for the update on Rue; I’m glad she’s doing better. Vinny-b, I don’t watch ANY shows on regular tv. I dumped Lost and the Office a few years ago (though I’m still following Lost a bit; if my favorite character gets treated well this year, I may buy the DVDs of the seasons I missed) and there’s nothing appealing on. Older shows are funny and they’re like old shoes – nice and comfortable. Let me amend my statement. I do watch South Park, but that’s cable, not network, tv.
randy-
If my memory serves me right, that quote (and I’m assuming you have it accurately) was from one of James’ Baseball Abstracts back in the ’80s.
He spent a lot of effort investigating clutch hitting. I believe he said that he had always assumed it existed, and wanted to measure it and identify the great clutch hitters.
He couldn’t find any statistical evidence that it existed as an inate ability. Of course, clutch hits DO exist, and in any year there are hitters that get a lot of them and in any year were good in the clutch.
But he couldn’t find any evidence that those hitters could continually replicate their success in the clutch beyond what random chance would dictate.
So he came to the CONCLUSION that inate clutch hitting ability did not exist. Obviously, it might exist, but no one have ever found statistical evidence that it does. James would admit the possibility that something which has never been found actually does exist, but after you look for something long enough and you don’t find it you are entitled to draw conclusions.
I believe his analogy was to elephants dancing in the snow in the dark. Even if the next morning the elephants are gone, you ought to know they were there by the footprints in the snow. He couldn’t find any footprints, so he concluded there were no elephants.
“It’s almost implied that there was some kind of conspiracy to keep non-caucasians out of baseball management positions. Sorry, if you want the job, get the skills the employers want you to have. Period.”
steveoh-
i don’t thing there was any conspiracy. i think it happened inadvertently. i don’t think the sabermetric movement is racist . i just think it’s almost all caucasian which is a fact.
since the MLB pool of players is very diverse there especially should be diverse front offices as well.
are you saying front offices shouldn’t be diverse? if you fill front offices with only sabermetric people they’d be almost all caucasian.
it’s not easy for individuals to rise above bias. it can be done, but it’s the right thing to do to right wrongs that have been committed institutionally in the past.
baseball needs to get more people of color in front offices.
” in other words, because they are better people than the rest of us.
My attitude toward this can probably be inferred from my tone.i do not believe that athletes are better people than the rest of us,”- bill james
wave your hat-
please explain if you can what he’s talking about there with the better people thing.
that doesn’t sound like a researcher talking. that sounds more like a bitter man who is still ticked off that he was picked last in his sandlot games as a kid.
i don’t know what bill james motivation was for venting about his personal attitude towards clutch play, but he’s venting there. that’s not an after the fact conclusion after studying data.
it looks like he went into things thinking that. he seems to be fighting for some kind of equality and self esteem by saying clutch players are not better people than he is.
i find the whole comment very bizarre.
but he said it.
Statisical analysis has been around a long time:
[Branch Rickey] pioneered the use of statistical analysis in baseball (what is now known as sabermetrics), when he hired statistician Allan Roth as a full-time analyst for the Dodgers in 1947. After viewing Roth’s evidence, Rickey promoted the idea that on-base percentage was a more important hitting statistic than batting average. While working under Rickey, Roth was also the first person to provide statistical evidence that platoon effects were real and quantifiable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_Rickey#Legacy
Jason February 3rd, 2010 at 5:07 pm
He needs to learn that you do not list A-Rod before Jeter. Ever.
O K
“I’ll be low-key,” he said. “I’ll let (Alex) Rodriguez, (Derek) Jeter and CC (Sabathia) do all the talking.”
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He should have let Johnny Damon do the talking as the starting left fielder. (And Erica ducks for cover now)
“Vinny-b, I don’t watch ANY shows on regular tv. I dumped Lost and the Office a few years ago (though I’m still following Lost a bit; if my favorite character gets treated well this year, I may buy the DVDs of the seasons I missed) and there’s nothing appealing on. Older shows are funny and they’re like old shoes – nice and comfortable”
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feel you. The Jeffersons, What’s Happening, Bob Newhart Show = perfection
it may be self-deception on my part.
however, the further info i read, the more i believe the Yankees may have made the best choice (Randy Winn over Reed Johnson)
Diversity for diversity’s sake isn’t necessarily the best or most needed direction. You don’t need a black GM to understand that black players are good.
“It’s almost implied that there was some kind of conspiracy to keep non-caucasians out of baseball management positions. Sorry, if you want the job, get the skills the employers want you to have. Period.”
steveoh-
i don’t thing there was any conspiracy. i think it happened inadvertently. i don’t think the sabermetric movement is racist . i just think it’s almost all caucasian which is a fact.
since the MLB pool of players is very diverse there especially should be diverse front offices as well.
are you saying front offices shouldn’t be diverse? if you fill front offices with only sabermetric people they’d be almost all caucasian.
it’s not easy for individuals to rise above bias. it can be done, but it’s the right thing to do to right wrongs that have been committed institutionally in the past.
baseball needs to get more people of color in front offices.
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Well, I’m glad you replied in a civil manner. I half thought someone might insinuate I might be somewhat racist (which would be ridiculous if you knew me).
I’m also glad you weren’t implying that there was racism involved in upper management decisions (not that there is never any racism).
I’m not saying that front offices should not be diverse. I am just saying that the most qualified should get the job. I don’t care if the front office ends up all black, all latino, all white, all women, or whatever, as long as there was no bias in the decision making based on race, gender, etc.
I don’t know why the sabermetic community is mostly caucasian, as you say. But if sabermetic knowledge is what the employers want, then I would suggest that any person that wants that job learn sabermetics.
randy-
The “better people” part is a different issue from the clutch hitting issue.
I doubt if BJ ever did a “better person” study, I don’t know how you would do one? My guess is the better person thing is his opinion, although I suspect it is an opinion shared by many.
I have to admit I kind of share his opinion on that, though. Playing sports does I think “build character”, in that you learn to face challenges yourself and with the help of teammates, you learn that you can succeed in the game even when you fail at times individually, you can (although certainly not all athletes seem to)) develop an accurate picture of yourself and your abilities vs. others, you learn that if you work hard you can get better, although sadly in many cases you also learn that no matter how hard you work you can’t be good enough. Although there are plenty of ways besides sports to build character as well.
However, IMO there’s nothing to show that the reverse is true – that having a better character makes you a better athlete. I think that’s what James is saying. And I don’t see myself as a bitter guy, I’m generally pretty content.
If anything, the Yankees have too many veteran presences.
You often hear the expresssion ” he has the ability to slow the game down” used by managers, coaches and analysts. For years, Alex Rodriguez could not bring himself to “slow the game down” in postseason situations where the team was counting on him. This year, his mental state changed and he was as focused in the moment as well as anyone we’ve ever seen.
How can you put a quantitative value on his thought process? You can’t. But just because you can’t measure it, that doesn’t mean there aren’t certain players that excel in clutch situations. The athletes that have the ability to “slow the game down” are the best in those situations. For sabermetricians to say inate clutch hitting ability does not exist flies in the face of actual results that we’ve all seen.
“Diversity for diversity’s sake isn’t necessarily the best or most needed direction. You don’t need a black GM to understand that black players are good.”
Black players are the best, the Yankees need more of them.
That’s why I was happy when Randy Winn signed
randy,
Sabermetrics has grown far beyond Bill James. Just because he was the first to do it (really just the first to coin the term), does not mean he speaks for the entire community. Most of the best work that has been done in recent years has not been from Bill James. I posted a link earlier today of the best SABR studies of 2009. Bill James did not appear on that list.
Beside, it is hard to take your stance serious when you continually point to one instance, or one person, or one quote and pass that off as evidence. You are making sweeping generalizations based on a few things you have read or discussed with other people. Those type of arguments are entirely unconvincing and really have no place in an objective discussion.
How does something that one person said 30 years ago have anything to do with the discussion of the validity of the work sabermetrics are doing today? The answer is that it does not.
Like stuckey has said, you seem to have some animosity towards certain people that do sabermetric research. That bias is entirely skewing your perception of the entire subject.
Also the point about lack of diversity in the SABR community is certainly not a good thing, but it has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion.
Additionally,
“MLB received an A for race hiring in this year’s report, which was released Wednesday. Last year, it got an A-minus. In addition, Lapchick cited the presence of 10 minority managers at the start of the 2009 season, which matched the previous high set in ’02.
Lapchick added that the percentage of minority employees in the Commissioner’s Office went up from 28 percent to 34 percent.”
-Professor Lapchick (who does a study on diversity in baseball every year)
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded
Cute video of Phil imitating Rivera, Andy, etc….
“Neyer On Sabermetrics and Race”
http://www.baseballmusings.com/archives/003774.php
“Well, I’m glad you replied in a civil manner.”
steveoh-
we’re all just trying to discuss baseball issues here.
the issues are complex and sometimes feathers are ruffled , but overall i think anyone who’s been here a while tries to keep things civil.
“While working under Rickey, Roth was also the first person to provide statistical evidence that platoon effects were real and quantifiable.”
tom in nj-
interesting link. thanks.
i have a book called The Numbers Game by alan schwartz that mentions him and another guy named george lindsey who did similar statistical research around the same time.
i’ll have to finish reading it.
Patrick February 3rd, 2010 at 5:49 pm
“Diversity for diversity’s sake isn’t necessarily the best or most needed direction. You don’t need a black GM to understand that black players are good.”
Black players are the best, the Yankees need more of them.
That’s why I was happy when Randy Winn signed
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How is that any less racist than if you were saying that the Yankees needed to have more white players?
I’m sorry, but this type of statement is just plain wrong.
I’m developing a new sabermetric called CORP – color over replacement player.
Randy winn raised the Yankees team CORP by quite a bit. Unfortunately Brett Gardner has a -20 CORP which hurts quite a bit.
Now sabermetrics has diversity
Wow I never realized this but I tend to say “quite a bit” quite a bit.
Greeber,
sigh you just dont get it
Betsy – Romine wasn’t built in a day
February 3rd, 2010 at 5:59 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..r_embedded
Cute video of Phil imitating Rivera, Andy, etc….
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Betsy, that is too cute! Love it
“How does something that one person said 30 years ago have anything to do with the discussion of the validity of the work sabermetrics are doing today? The answer is that it does not.”
let’s go yankees-
because the word sabermetrics was coined by person who said that something .
and why does baseball statistical analysis have to be called Sabermetrics?
how about simply calling it baseball statistical analysis ?
i would find that less objectionable.
Patrick, I think its YOU that just doesn’t get it.
“Black players are the best, the Yankees need more of them.”
How is that not like the talk that got Jimmy the Greek fired? The implication of that statement is horrendous.
I don’t care if a player is white, black, hispanic or purple. Their race doesn’t make them good or bad, their talent does, regardless of race.
Erin, isn’t it? I can’t wait to see how he looks and does in ST – he’s my guy, lol
Hey Sam,
Any word on the final ST invites? I suspect we could see Baldelli or Thames make that list
“the issues are complex and sometimes feathers are ruffled , but overall i think anyone who’s been here a while tries to keep things civil.”
If only that were true with a certain sabermetric proponent that’s posted a lot here lately.
Sabermetrics are interesting. Like anything else in life, they paint only part of the picture and shouldn’t be taken with the fervent some have given them.
i would find that less objectionable.
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You’re really that against Sabrmetrics? Especially when SABR is a very normal organization whose meaning is very related to baseball stat analysis.
Anyone else going south to see the Yanks in Tampa? I’ll be there the last three days of Feb.
hey patrick-
just saw on CNN that Rahm Emanuel got busted for using the “R” word
http://www.mercurynews.com/pol.....ck_check=1
http://bases.nbcsports.com/201.....n.html.php
Jim the VT Yankeefan
February 3rd, 2010 at 6:14 pm
Anyone else going south to see the Yanks in Tampa? I’ll be there the last three days of Feb.
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No-I’m extremely jealous!! I’m SO sick of winter, I could desperately use some sunshine and baseball
Greeber,
Relax, i’m just kidding about the racial stuff.
randy,
Link doesn’t work for me. I’ll try it when I get home.
Regardless, I don’t really care. It’s all just political correct BS to me.
If I call someone on the internet retarded it’s not really insulting to actually retarded people because they don’t even know how to use computers and will never read what I say.
•Tomko suffered a nerve injury on September 14th that caused his biceps to atrophy to the point of resembling lumpy gravy.
Randy Winn will be just fine.
One more move to make before ST.
bru,
Are you warming us up for next month’s Damonish topic… Phil vs Joba for the 5 slot? lol
“let’s go yankees-
because the word sabermetrics was coined by person who said that something.
Every group/organization/society has had their respective name coined by someone. That person who coined the term often does not tell you anything about the current constituency/theories/work members do today. What Bill James said 30 years ago has little relevance to a large group of people who do substantially different work than James and have diverse opinions on a number of different topics.
“and why does baseball statistical analysis have to be called Sabermetrics?
how about simply calling it baseball statistical analysis ?
i would find that less objectionable.”
I do not understand what the name of the thing has any relevance to do with its validity. If the term sabermetrics is coloring your view of the work these people do, then I do not know how to help. It could be called Pastrami on Rye and still would have no relevance to the conversation.
Additionally, calling it “baseball statistical analysis” would not accurately describe the work that is being done in the community. It is much more then just analyzing statistics. Where do you think these numbers come from? There is tons of research and systems being built to formulate and develop the statistics baseball teams analyze.
SABER comes from SABR which stands for the Society for American Baseball Research.
So Brett Tomko’s biceps resembled the kind of pitches he was throwing for most of his career (Lumpy gravy, that is)? Ironic
“You’re really that against Sabrmetrics? Especially when SABR is a very normal organization whose meaning is very related to baseball stat analysis.”
jerkface-
yeah, i don’t like the term” sabermetrics”.
neither bill james or SABR are responsible for statistical analysis or for baseball.
nor were they remotely the first to do statistical research in baseball.
what’s wrong with simply calling it baseball statistical analysis?
Because sabermetrics sounds way cooler
By the way, the “r-word” comment was just a joke, nobody take it personally please.
Randy Winn is a quiet, consistent professional that works hard and goes about his business and there’s nothing wrong with that kind of player. He’ll be well accepted by his teammates.
let’s go yankees-
so only one group i allowed to do baseball statistical analysis?
elias sports bureau doesn’t get along with the bill james company STATS do they?
why should their work be called sabermetrics?
why should anyone independent of james have their work fall under a term he coined when that person has nothing to do with bill james or SABR.
are you telling me bill james is taking credit for all baseball stat analysis that comes after him?
if so that sounds more like a stat religion to me.
no stats that don’t honor Saint Bill.
randy,
I feel like you are too hung up on Bill James.
Granted, James was one of the first innovators in the world of advanced baseball statistical analysis but he hasn’t contributed all that much in recent years. Right now there is a vast community of people developing new ideas and they have absolutely nothing to do with Bill James. And to be quite honest, most of these people have a great love for the game of baseball, not just mathematics.
If Sabermetrics is some kind of false religion like you are making it out to be then why does 28/30 major league baseball teams have a statistics department?
Get real man, advanced stats are just a tool for fans to increase their enjoyment of the game and for teams to better analyze players.
It’s not just political correct BS. It’s also called civility. There is a way of disagreeing with people without name calling, whether you use the “R” word, the “A” word, or any other derogatory adjective.
Patrick is right. Bill James’s work has been suppplanted in large part.
This is getting a little bizarre.
Thank you, Patrick.
I love it when common sense prevails.
“I feel like you are too hung up on Bill James.”
patrick-
fine, let’s all forget him and his term sabermetrics.
i won’t mention him or sabermetrics again if no one else here does.
it’s not me who’s obsessed with james and sabermetrics.
i’d be perfectly happen to never hear of him and or his coined term again.
That is laughably crazy.
randy,
If you have gotten to the point where your argument is based on the word “sabermetrics,” then I think this discussion has run its course.
stuckey was correct all along, in that you have an issue with the people who do this work. Really you have some serious misplaced animosity towards ONE person and your argument pretty much rests solely on that.
And finally, if you think it is just pure statistics these people are developing you honestly have no clue what it is sabermetrics really do. ELIAS could in no well handle or format keeping records/logs of much of this work. Once you realized you hated Bill James for some reason I imagine you never actually took the time or effort to truly understand any of it.
I just typed a response to let’s go yankees and it got eaten up. I really, really don’t know why.
lgy -
A problem that I have with sabermetrics is precisely the fact that people sit around forumating statistics. The more complex, the more difficult to explain, I feel the farther away from the actual game the statistic gets. Those types of statistics, the ones that take pages to explain, are more for the business of baseball, for intricate comparisons of players in order to set a value on that player for market purposes. Not to add to the enjoyment of the game.
For the enjoyment of the game, most fans are satisfied with the basics, which have stood the test of time, and a handful of the newer, less complex stats, like WHIP, OBP, OPS. The rest just sounds like alphabet soup. And I’m not a stupid person. I just don’t like having to do 20 minutes of research to understand a box score.
The more complex stats also tend to lend themselves to skepticism in a sense. It does seem to look like people are working too hard to make a formula to get to a pre-determined result. I realize this may not be the case; I’m saying it lends itself to that type of skepticism.
For a bunch of folks sitting and watching a game, and talking about the players of the day, unless you’ve got a like-minded group of stats-happy people, the basics will do. And it sure seems that at the end of the day, the newer stats have mostly proved that the older stats were sufficient. Mostly. There are always exceptions.
You might want to bring up HOF voting and how some players who have languished are getting a fresh look due to sabermetrics. That would be fair to say. And that would be a valuable use of more esoteric statistics, or, rather, more refined statistics that look at a more holistic picture.
Randy, here’s a book for you. It’s called “Scout’s Honor”:
Michael Lewis’s Moneyball was a huge success arguing the case for the new brand of baseball General Managers and operations people who were changing the game with their Harvard degrees and outside-the-box, number-centric take on what it took to build a winning team, using the Oakland A’s as the focal point of his argument. Atlanta Braves television host Bill Shanks looks at what that approach has really meant to baseball and why the instincts of the old-school scouts and baseball veterans are the only true way to build a winning and successful baseball team in this ‘new’ generation. Using the Atlanta Braves as a focal point, Scout’s Honor is an in-depth look at what instinct and gut-reaction means to baseball and how the numbers-don’t-lie style of the new breed is not only misleading, but mistaken.
http://search.barnesandnoble.c.....0976637219
For anyone that thinks sabermetrics is just about cranking out fancy acronyms, I suggest you read this article. It is a tool Josh Kalk developed that attempts to identify a pitcher injury several pitches before it happens. Less then a month after developing this tool he was hired by the Rays FO.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/m.....jury-zone/
let’s go yankees-
last night you said:
“I gave up baseball before HS as it was my worst sport in comparison to soccer and basketball and because I simply did not have enough time to play all 3. I can tell you right now that there are tons of people who have never stepped on a soccer field or basketball court that know way more about evaluating the soccer and basketball players then me.
If anything playing those sports so much resulted in me knowing less about the game overall, because I spent all my time on the field or court and not observing, studying, watching the game and other players.”
so your point is that the more someone plays a sport the less they know about it?
are you sticking to that story?
the more derek jeter plays the less he knows about it?
the more girardi played the less he knows about it?
the more mariano rivera pitches the less he knows about it
you really think that makes sense.
lets go yankees -
That is indeed valuable information. But not necessary for the enjoyment of the game. Unless you’re laying bets on which pitchers are likely to get injured when (j/k).
Seriously, though, that really points out what my feelings on most of the statistic accomplish, which is to help the business end of baseball. It is quite valuable for a team to have as much information on their pitchers as possible to guard against injury or to plan for it monetarily. It is not something I need to know to enjoy the game. And you keep saying it is a tool for enjoyment of the game. I think that is most likely true for a small percentage of fans.
I might read an article like that and find it interesting, enlightening and even entertaining in and of itself because I like finding out new things. But, again, if I never saw that information it would not hurt my enjoyment of the game. I would not miss it.
(Frankly, to be perfectly honest, I could enjoy a game without knowing RBI, BA and ERA, either!)
“Randy, here’s a book for you. It’s called “Scout’s Honor”:”
tom in nj-
thanks, i’ll bookmark it and get it.
randy l -
It’s generalities that get people in trouble. SOME people who play the game just play. They couldn’t care less about observing anything. SOME people love to observe everything, study everything, use the information to refine their performances or help a teammate. (I would suspect that those types go on to be managers and coaches). And then there are those that fall somewhere in between.
” SOME people love to observe everything, study everything, use the information to refine their performances or help a teammate.”
doreen-
that would be me.i’ve always been the type to really get into things and study everything about the sport i’m in.
when someone says they believe that the more they or anyone else plays a sport the less they know , you see where the problem is.
there is an incredible amount of disrespect for playing experience in the stat community.
that’s really the essence of my argument with the stat community that has gone on for years.
You have the problem that many people have with players thinking they know everything or that only experiences within the game matter. You can’t step back and see the other players or people in the game who don’t watch everything.
For every ‘student of the game’ there are going to be players who don’t care.
And its why being a former or current player means very little without more information on the individual.
Doreen,
I think you are misunderstanding my argument.
I could care less how people get enjoyment out of the game. The argument is about its value in evaluating baseball players and teams.
randy -
I would guess most catchers would fall into that category.
And I said last night most of this stuff is not even made for fans. The most advanced systems are developed and sold to MLB teams. I referenced Bloomberg’s new tool last night for example. There is a lot more out there then you realize. There is tons of information out there being sold to teams and developed in baseball FO’s that I have no freaking clue about.
In fact, I specifically mentioned on several occasions last night that this discussion is not about fan enjoyment.
“And its why being a former or current player means very little without more information on the individual.”
jerkface-
i’d agree with that.
players come with a lot of different IQ levels.
obviously they see different things in the game.
that said , i have a tremendous amount of anyone who has played the game at a high level.
let’s go yankees -
You are correct. It was an other poster who said they are for fan enjoyment as well. I got off course in the reading/scrolling earlier. I apologize for mis-stating your stance.
No problem!
Good stuff randy, keep up the good fight.
I think that cash has a plan for next off season andy for cliff lee montero for johnson take the money from winn and johnson and sign crawford.