Video: Jeter’s interview with MLB Network (UPDATES with Hank Steinbrenner comment on Jeter’s future contract)
Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Feb 04, 2010 
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We made fun of talked yesterday about the random comments from Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti on the Yankees spending habits (and the expectations that come with the dough), so I thought it might be interesting to hear Derek Jeter talk a little about that concept from a player’s perspective. Turns out, that was the first question Harold Reynolds asked Jeter during a recent sit-down.
UPDATE, 5:20 p.m.: Hank Steinbrenner resurfaced today and made some comments to the AP in Tampa about the Yankees offseason moves (he likes them) and their chances next season (he likes them). Steinbrenner also talked about Jeter, who already working out at the team’s complex, and had this quote about potential negotiations with the Captain once his deal expires next year.
“We’ll get into all of that eventually,” Steinbrenner said. “Jeter’s place in Yankee history is obvious, so I think you can pretty much assume from there.”
I posted dis yesterday
great interview.
usually he’s terrible, but this one is really good.
Am I flying back to a city of rubble?
Will my bobbleheads still be bobbling?
If this is it for me, I love you all* and it’s been fun. Go Yankees!
(*all = some)
That was a treat.
CD
“The press loves Boras because he’s a quote machine and he constantly feeds reporters with leaks.
When the press loves you, you can do no wrong. Conversely, when the press hates you, you can do no right (See ARod/PeteAbe).”
I ain’t got nuthin’ against the press, they wouldn’t print it if it wasn’t true.
Sorry, Carl — it’s hard to see everything in the comments!
Then again, someone (was it you?) posted a link to the Scully call of Koufax’s ninth inning in the comments earlier today — on the same post where I’d posted that link already!!
We’re all in this together …
Nick in SF in NC,
I’m sorry to say, things don’t look so good in California, here’s a clip from CNN.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZxBYItj2sM
Reynolds is the MC at Mr. Jeter’s Event?
They must be sorta close.
I have no sound on this PC. Can someone summarize Jete’s answer about the Ravens owner?
Nick-
It was a magnitude 6 way north of you. I doubt the bobble heads even noticed.
Patrick: The question wasn’t about the Ravens owner – the interview was taped before that comment came out. He was talking about the Yankees spending and the expectations that come with it …
# Sam Borden February 4th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Sorry, Carl — it’s hard to see everything in the comments!
Then again, someone (was it you?) posted a link to the Scully call of Koufax’s ninth inning in the comments earlier today — on the same post where I’d posted that link already!!
We’re all in this together …
Yeah that was me haha.
<—Owned
Sam,
Ah okay, thanks. I’ll give it a listen when I get home.
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.....id=7142817
Should have posted this earlier. Prime 9 with Vinny. His top 9 calls.
Have a great flight Mr Nick!!
thanks for the “heads-up”. very enjoyable interview.
I listened to it yesterday and thought it was fantastic. I love Jeter’s comment about how if he and the core four (when they were young) didn’t perform, they would have been out on their fanny (if I recall, didn’t Jeter bring up the fact that Bernie was almost traded?)……… He looked nice and relaxed and ready for a go at a repeat.
From previous post
GreenBeret7 February 4th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
Except for a few occassional leaders in triples like Williams and Jeter along with a one time good total by Cabrera, the yanks haven’t had many triples shooters since they lost their 457 foot gap and 461 foot center field. At the old Stadium (pre-1974), they had some good triples hitters and the defense couldn’t play hitters against the fences. hard to believe that Williams and jeter, with all of their speed, never reached a single season double figure and neither reached 60 career total in 15 years. gardner may become the first double figure triples hitter for the yanks since the 60s, including Mickey Rivers.
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DYD INDA WUL February 4th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
GB, I was just thinking about Mickey Rivers. Granderson kind of walks like him (no offense intended). You also reminded me of the drives out to the monuments. If memory serves me, I believe I saw a young Murcer chase a few out there.
I can see Gardner slapping his triples down the line. But I see Granderson, (if he figures it out) going to the gap with power.
Granderson’s stretching a gapper from a double to a triple also depends for that matter on how he’s played and who’s manning left and center for the unfortunate opponents.
It could be a great year for Yankee triples between GGBG & Granderson.
That interview is what class looks and sounds like.
Thanks for linking that, Sam.
One of the best interviews I’ve ever seen Jeter give. He actually said something!!!
Loved the bit about feeling awkward seeing Mattingly in a Dodger uni, even more so than “Mr. T.”
Check out update to the post on Hank Steinbrenner comments re: Jeter contract. Not exactly breaking news (the Yankees like him!) but thought it was worth posting all the same. ..
I assume they will resign Jeter.
Damon is still an idiot. No story to report.
Great interview. Thanks for posting the link.
Ugh, Hank? I preferred it when he was in hiding
The moron who had them overpay Alex now wants them to overpay Jeter. Just shut up and spend your dad’s money.
I don’t care what it costs to re-sign Jeter. At all.
# Rich in NJ February 4th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
The moron who had them overpay Alex now wants them to overpay Jeter. Just shut up and spend your dad’s money.
Yanks. Overpaying. Can’t comprehend.
“We’ll get into all of that eventually,” Steinbrenner said. “Jeter’s place in Yankee history is obvious, so I think you can pretty much assume from there.”
Glad he’s not negotiating for my side.
Now that the future is sown up, I guess Jetes and Minka can start planning that wedding. In Hawaii or Tahiti or some private Caribbean island. Not Long Island. In the late Fall-early Winter. No way.
Jeter is the face of the franchise and should be paid accordingly.
“I don’t care what it costs to re-sign Jeter. At all.”
Good. Then give him $50m a year and loss out of some FAs that can improve the team.
It’s a business!
Edit: lose out
re-post from previous thread :
February 4th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
If somebody had told me one year ago that Damon would not be a Yankee in 2010, I would have been a believer but not signed by (any) team on February 4th ?
Scott Boras must be content and satisfied with the commissions he made from other clients or else Damon really is THAT greedy.
or maybe Damon still thinks he will be signed by the Yankees
As has been pointed out, Abreu didn’t sign until mid-February. So that Damon hasn’t signed shouldn’t be that surprising.
# Rich in NJ February 4th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
“I don’t care what it costs to re-sign Jeter. At all.”
Good. Then give him $50m a year and loss out of some FAs that can improve the team.
It’s a business!
So underpay Jeter to overpay some FAs. Got cha.
“So underpay Jeter to overpay some FAs. Got cha.”
What’s wrong with paying him market value?
The Jeter contract, regardless of size, will have zero impact on signing FA’s.
Just like signing Rivera, Arod and Posada had mo impact on them signing CC, AJ, and Tex.
From the Trenton Thunder Newsletter that I get via e-mail:
The 2009 WS Trophy will be at Waterfront Stadium:
“The 2009 New York Yankees World Series Trophy will be on display at Waterfront Park as Trenton hosts the Erie SeaWolves (Double-A affiliate of the Detroit Tigers) on Opening Night, Thursday April 8th at 7:05 p.m. The World Series Trophy, officially known as the Commissioner’s Trophy, will be on display on the stadium concourse throughout the evening.”
Jeter is my favorite player and he’s virtually assured another contract but mark my words, it’s going to hurt. He is going to get vastly overpaid.
“The Jeter contract, regardless of size, will have zero impact on signing FA’s.”
How can you say that without knowing their budget or how much they will pay him?
They have already signed CC, AJ, and Teix, which, if they want to keep the payroll at or near $200m, has reduced their degrees of freedom. (not to mention that they owe Swisher $9m in 2011).
No impact. Sorry for the typo.
Derek Jeter is the face of the franchise and is still playing at a high level.
His market value is pretty darn close to what he’s making now.
My guess? He will sign a 4 yr, 80 million dollar contract in the off-season of 2010.
# Rich in NJ February 4th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
“So underpay Jeter to overpay some FAs. Got cha.”
What’s wrong with paying him market value?
SJ44 just said it perfectly.
Rich in NJ -
I am sure the Yankees and Jeter will come to a reasonable agreement.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Yankees have a little side account that they’ve been socking money into, a little “Jeter Fund,” so to speak.
C’mon man! It’s Derek Jeter. He’s not going anywhere.
LOL
Rich in NJ -
They wanted to keep their budget where it is for this season. I trust that the Yankees are aware of all their contracts coming up for renewal, as well as those coming off the books, as well as whatever secret santa funds they have just for this occasion.
“SJ44 just said it perfectly.”
What did he say?
At least Damon has Jeter’s back.
“C’mon man! It’s Derek Jeter. He’s not going anywhere.”
Exactly, so why pay him more than market value?
Does anyone really care what Jeter gets?
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Come on, Damon’s statement meant nothing.
I don’t think you can overpay the face of your franchise. Jeter’s value is more than what he does on the field. You pay for that.
as to the business side of things…how many extra seats were sold when Jeter was about to break the hits record, or in ’08 when he was breaking the all time hits record at the old YS? it will be the same as he approaches the 3000 milestone.
How can I say it? Simple. When the Yankees take care of their own, it never impacts their pursuit of other FA’s.
Also, just because the payroll will be under 200 million in 2010, doesn’t mean it will be in 2011.
They have FA’s aside from their own they are very interested in next year.
They have already sketched out budgets for the next few years (all teams do this) and I’m guessing Jeter is in those projected budgets.
Doreen,
I’m telling ya. It would’ve just been easier for Jeter to marry Jennifer whatever her name is now!
# Rich in NJ February 4th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
“SJ44 just said it perfectly.”
What did he say?
SJ44 February 4th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
The Jeter contract, regardless of size, will have zero impact on signing FA’s.
Just like signing Rivera, Arod and Posada had no impact on them signing CC, AJ, and Tex.
“Exactly, so why pay him more than market value?”
Because Jeter could decide to go elsewhere and if he does the Yankees would get killed for it.
If he wants Derek could hold Cashman over the fire on his next contract. He basically has a blank check.
Next offseason is going to be pretty insane. Rivera, Girardi, Jeter are all done with contracts after this season and all 3 are basically must-signs. Then you’ve got Vazquez and Johnson off the books and depending on how well they do might also be good signings. Finally there are several upper tier free agents available.
People would love for this to be a big controversy – don’t hold your breath.
Whatever Jeter gets it is going to help the Yanks not hurt them.
“Also, just because the payroll will be under 200 million in 2010, doesn’t mean it will be in 2011.”
Small correction – payroll is already at ~201 million for 2010.
Hal Steinbrenner said at the Curtis Granderson press conference that he would allow general manager Brian Cashman to spend over budget only if he felt the Yankees really needed a player.
“How can I say it? Simple. When the Yankees take care of their own, it never impacts their pursuit of other FA’s.”
You can say it, but that doesn’t meant that it continues to be true.
They have never had so many pre-existing contractual commitments before. They have never paid so much of their revenue to other teams, and it is early in Hal’s tenure, so we don’t have a true read on his continued willingness to make large outlays.
We have seen that they didn’t sign as many IFAs, and that they didn’t sign as many draftees with signabiliy issues.
I also believe that they don’t want to give ammunition to the anti-Capitalist forces in MLB that want to enact an even more onerous Yankee tax.
So really, you are just speculating.
Jeter makes 20 million a year, so that is basically the baseline he is going to get paid.
I do not see Derek holding Cash over a barrel, so he probably gets something like SJ said 4/80, but I would not be surprised at all if he gets a raise.
I cannot see any circumstance where he takes pay-cut.
“Because Jeter could decide to go elsewhere and if he does the Yankees would get killed for it.”
Oh please, where is he going to go?
Negotiations are a two-way street. The idea that he should get whatever he wants is silly.
4 years 20 Million seems like the high value for Jeter’s next contract. I’d peg 3 years 15 as a possible low value. It will probably be somewhere closer to the high value, but as SJ says…it won’t affect how the team will go about it’s business. Just something to talk about on a winter’s night.
I will guess that Jeter will get 4 years at $25m a year.
Rich-
What would you say DJ’s “market value” is ?
22, 20, 18, 16.
do they know how much snow nyc is going to get????
MTU
I don’t know. It depends on whether his 2010 season is like his 2009 season, or like his 2008 season.
Rich,
You are just speculating as well. The difference is, we have examples where the Yanks spent big money to keep players (Rivera, Posada, Rodriguez) then went out and spent even more big money to get new players (Sabathia, Teixeira, Burnett).
I don’t really see evidence that signing Jeter will effect future FA pursuits.
who is the highest paid SS behind Jeter?
Drive 4- 5 February 4th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
That interview is what class looks and sounds like.
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The absolute head of the class.
Jeter is THE ambassador of mlb, representing the greatness of the game.
In the interview, he chose his words carefully, alluding to how a Yankee should carry himself on the field.
But his actions (as far as fans could know) exude class off the field as well.
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
February 4th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
22, 20, 18, 16.
do they know how much snow nyc is going to get????
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4-9 Inches.
I am praying for lots of snow so I can work from home on Saturday guilt-free and not worry about showing my smiling face for political purposes
Rich-
For the sake of argument let’s just specify that it’s just like last year.
What would you then say his “market value” is ?
“Oh please, where is he going to go?
Negotiations are a two-way street. The idea that he should get whatever he wants is silly.”
And yet you say Jeter is going to get 4 yrs 100 million which is much more than he’s worth. Not really sure where your logic adds up…
“who is the highest paid SS behind Jeter?”
Hanley Ramirez has the next biggest contract I believe.
To finish the thought….and so Jeter is and will be worth the multiple year, 18-20 million per-year K he’ll be offered to play out his career in pinstripes.
They are not going to nickle and dime the all-time Yankees hits leader who is looking to be the first and only Yankee to get 3,000 gets in his career as a Yankee.
Can you imagine the fall-out?
And as to where would Jeter go? Just for his leadership qualities, I’m sure there are a few teams that would take him. It may not be the same situation as with the Yankees, but he wouldn’t be homeless.
IFA signings are from a different budget than 25 man roster signings.
One has nothing to do with the other.
I’m not speculating. Just look at past Yankee history.
They had the same issue 2 years ago and they handled it. They will handle it again.
They aren’t lowballing or hardlining Derek Jeter.
Nor will it affect their pursuit of other FA’s.
Certain guys don’t factor into a budget. The face of the franchise is one of those guys.
MTU
Then I think he has an argument to get $20m for a year, maybe two, and some reduced amount for the remaining years. That’s the problem. Because of his age, it’s tough to predict what he should get beyond the first year or two.
Patrick
Right. I think he’s going to get more than he is worth.
My problem is with the length of contract, not AAV.
Yeah Jeter could pretty much go wherever he wants. I don’t think he will but his agent can put it out there that he’s willing. The tactic worked for Jorge Posada why wouldn’t it work for Jeter?
“IFA signings are from a different budget than 25 man roster signings.
One has nothing to do with the other.”
But it could provide a window into Hal’s thinking. Actually, you probably get far more bang for your buck with IFAs, if you spend $2m there instead of giving it to Winn or $2.9 to Gaudin.
“I’m not speculating. Just look at past Yankee history.”
I have already pointed out why things COULD be different.
Plus, Jeter going for 3,000 hits will pack the ‘house’ not to mention the Yes ratings…
For the sake of argument, let’s say Jeter turned down $90m for four years and signed elsewhere.
The fallout should then be directed at Jeter, not the Yankees.
Lets also not forget some of the only sell-outs this season were when Jeter was approaching Gerhig. Can you imagine the craziness at the gates as he gets close to 3,000?
Noreaster
February 4th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Plus, Jeter going for 3,000 hits will pack the ‘house’ not to mention the Yes ratings…
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Stop stealing my thoughts. I posted that 2 seconds behind you!!!! LOL
“I am praying for lots of snow so I can work from home on Saturday guilt-free and not worry about showing my smiling face for political purposes”
for some reason I want lots of snow too – although it is a royal PITA
Rich-
If I understand you correctly you would object to a 4 year contract but not a 2 or 3 year contract at 20 Mill/per ?
And would be OK with a 4 year contract that diminished in years 3 and 4 ?
Is that your basic postion ?
MTU
I would gladly give him a two year contract at $20m per even if he regressed to his 2008 stats in 2010.
I really don’t want to give him four years.
I wonder if the Club could include in his new contract a money clause that locks him in past his playing days, like a PR / Front Office position…..Are those deals still allowed by the Players union ??? Almost like deferred money…..
I was planning to drive out to LI because my daughter is in need of a big dose of TLC, so I do NOT want any snow!
I’m not worried about Jeter/Yankee negotiations. They have a very good relationship and both parties will want to get something done. I don’t believe the Yanks will try to play hardball with Jeter nor do I think Jeter will try to squeeze every last $$ out of them (in other words, I do not think he will threaten, like Jorge did, to go elsewhere).
Rich in NJ,
I think both parties would get their share of anger from the fans. But that’s not the only thing at stake. If Jeter goes elsewhere who plays SS? Ramiro “Below Replacement Level” Pena? The Yanks can’t let Jeter leave for baseball and PR reasons.
Again, if Jeter wants he can make Cashman really hurt next offseason. Hopefully they can come to an agreement that’s good for both sides.
Ramirez contract:
09:$5.5M, 10:$7M, 11:$11M, 12:$15M, 13:$15.5M, 14:$16M
Rich-
Thanks for clarifying though I can’t say I agree with your POV.
I cringed when I thought of the all the possible things Hank might say about Jeter’s contract but that was nothing.
And what will Cashman say when asked about Jeter’s upcoming contract?
“It’s a process.”
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
February 4th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
“I am praying for lots of snow so I can work from home on Saturday guilt-free and not worry about showing my smiling face for political purposes”
for some reason I want lots of snow too – although it is a royal PITA
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I agree. But I can really use a solid weekend at home in my pjs after two 60 hour weeks of work. Even if I have to bring it home, I still get to keep my pjs on.
And I have an indoor parking spot in a building with a super. I don’t shovel anything
Absolutely agree that Damon’s statement about Jeter was nothing but self-serving hot air. Idiot again. I mean did Johnny REALLY think the Yankees would dis Jeter ever? Not in this lifetime.
For me, this article says it all. I know Betsy has pointed this out, but Damon is as much to fault as Boras. If this was already posted, I apologize.
http://www.sportingnews.com/ml.....takes-cake
Patrick
The NYY would need a contingency plan. At Jeter’s age, they should have one anyway, and it shouldn’t be Pena.
I don’t think Cash will make the ultimate call.
sj, I just noticed you’re here, does what I proposed in regards to Derek make sense, and are those type of contracts still allowed ????
How do you get a bang for your buck with IFA’?
You sign 12 of them and hope 6 years later, 1 or 2 make it.
Derek Jeter sells luxury suites at the Stadium at 300k per year for 5 years at a pop.
The two situations aren’t analagous at all.
Hal’s thinking is simple. You pay superstars superstar money.
Derek Jeter pays for about 60% of his own contract for the Yankees when you factor everything in.
When you add in he’s the face of the franchise, they aren’t going to embarrass him or themselves in the negotiations.
Nor will they turn into the Marlins after they sign him.
He will get signed and they will go about their normal course of business.
Rich in NJ -
I don’t think in Jeter’s case it’s about on-field performance alone. You’re talking about him like he’s a run of the mill, toward the end of his career short-stop.
He’s Derek-freakin’-Jeter. You people spent posts and posts about how he should be considered a top-5 Yankee.
And you want him to get a 2-year contract? Really?
Stop stealing my thoughts. I posted that 2 seconds behind you!!!! LOL
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Erica, There is a first time for everything…
“I agree. But I can really use a solid weekend at home in my pjs after two 60 hour weeks of work. Even if I have to bring it home, I still get to keep my pjs on.
And I have an indoor parking spot in a building with a super. I don’t shovel anything ”
great vacuuming weather
“He’s Derek-freakin’-Jeter”
Yep, the Yankees will not mess this one up…
Dat’s all folks! Just jumping in to post that article about Damon. I can’t be worried about Jeter’s contract. I don’t worry well.
Noreaster
February 4th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
Stop stealing my thoughts. I posted that 2 seconds behind you!!!! LOL
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Erica, There is a first time for everything…
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Are you implying you have never agreed with my wisdom before??
Pat M,
you can still do it, but it has to be structured in a way that it isn’t factored into the AAV for luxury tax reasons.
These days, team and player agree to a title/role for the future with a salary to be determined.
Uncle Ellsworth (Expert textpert choking smokers, don’t you think the joker laughs at you)
great vacuuming weather
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My apartment is such a mess you would think I was there.
And I def will need to clean Saturday cause I might be hosting people on Sunday
“The NYY would need a contingency plan. At Jeter’s age, they should have one anyway, and it shouldn’t be Pena.”
There is no replacement for Derek Jeter. On the field and off, he can’t be replaced.
I do agree that the Yanks should have some better SS prospects but it’s kind of tough for a few reasons. First of all, Jeter is still going strong at SS, he’s still an above average fielder and great hitter for his position. Second, good SS prospects are pretty rare. I can’t really kill the Yanks for not having stud shortstops in the farm system.
trisha – OPPC forever – (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS!
February 4th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
Absolutely agree that Damon’s statement about Jeter was nothing but self-serving hot air. Idiot again. I mean did Johnny REALLY think the Yankees would dis Jeter ever? Not in this lifetime.
For me, this article says it all. I know Betsy has pointed this out, but Damon is as much to fault as Boras. If this was already posted, I apologize.
http://www.sportingnews.com/ml…..takes-cake
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Why do you get such pleasure out of these digs at Johnny Damon?????????????
Noreaster-
” There is a first time for everything”
And ONLY a first time for some things.
Thanks SJ, Had a feeling you’d know…..Countdown for Tony, you have to share his first day’s impressions
“How do you get a bang for your buck with IFA’?
You sign 12 of them and hope 6 years later, 1 or 2 make it.”
By signing the Sanchez, Sano, and Inoa type of talents.
“The two situations aren’t analagous at all.”
A willingness to spend money may be a tell. We don’t know yet if it is.
“Hal’s thinking is simple. You pay superstars superstar money.”
A-Rod got far more than superstar money. That’s was a stupid contract.
Here’s what’s smart. Getting as many high ceiling youngsters in the farm system as possible and sparing no cost in the hope that you will control them through their late 20s and get great production for your dollar.
“Derek Jeter pays for about 60% of his own contract for the Yankees when you factor everything in.”
Derek Jeter’s current contract took him through his peak years. At his age, they may be ending.
“When you add in he’s the face of the franchise, they aren’t going to embarrass him or themselves in the negotiations.”
Embarrassment is a two way street.
“Why do you get such pleasure out of these digs at Johnny Damon?”
trisha loves all Yankees and hates all non-Yankees.
“There is no replacement for Derek Jeter. On the field and off, he can’t be replaced.”
But you can mitigate the risk of loss. They haven’t to date.
Rich I’m not even sure what you’re arguing about anymore. It seems like you are just being a contrarian for the sake of it.
On that note, I’m going home. Have a good night
“I don’t think in Jeter’s case it’s about on-field performance alone. You’re talking about him like he’s a run of the mill, toward the end of his career short-stop.”
No, I’m talking about him like he will be 37 in the first year of a new deal.
Damon just signed a one year deal. With the Long Island Ducks. 25k
Whatever, Patrick.
Rich, really, get a grip. He’s Derek Freaking Jeter.
Inoa has already had elbow surgery. He’s years away from knowing what he can be.
Derek Jeter is still winning rings and having people pay big money to see him play.
Since Hal has run the team, he has spent over 800 million dollars on FA contracts and gave Gary Sanchez one of the largest IFA contracts ever given.
They aren’t on an austerity program and there is no proof they are on one now just because they didn’t want to overpay for Johnny Damon.
Just my personality Erica. I’m a big loyalty person. When I see a player making himself bigger than the team, then I have no use for him. I don’t like merceneries. I guess being a total nonmaterialist would do that to you. As much as you love Damon, I can’t stand him. He’s a mess in the field and asked for king’s wages, IMO. So that’s the way it is.
He’s not a Yankee anymore. I don’t feel I owe any fan loyalty to him or feel I need to keep from taking shots at him. Everything about him now makes me feel like taking shots. To me the guy is a total phony. If he ever comes back to the Yankees, then it all changes.
Rich in NJ….You’re a smart baseball guy, but you do view the glass half empty more than half full….Not sure if you’re pragmatic by nature or just play devil advocate…..Or you an Attorney by chance ????
trisha – OPPC forever – (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS!
February 4th, 2010 at 6:34 pm
Just my personality Erica. I’m a big loyalty person. When I see a player making himself bigger than the team, then I have no use for him. I don’t like merceneries. I guess being a total nonmaterialist would do that to you. As much as you love Damon, I can’t stand him. He’s a mess in the field and asked for king’s wages, IMO. So that’s the way it is.
He’s not a Yankee anymore. I don’t feel I owe any fan loyalty to him or feel I need to keep from taking shots at him. Everything about him now makes me feel like taking shots. To me the guy is a total phony. If he ever comes back to the Yankees, then it all changes.
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I appreciate your opinion, I just feel like after the last 4 years maybe you can at least make an attempt to remember the good times.
And I just don’t see much of a reason to drag up an article flaming him when everyone else on the board is discussing Derek Jeter. It just seems like an unnecessary and pointed attack.
Anyway, I am beyond exhausted and attempting to leave work soon. I probably won’t respond to anything else for a very, very long time tonight
“trisha loves all Yankees and hates all non-Yankees.”
Patrick, not necessarily true. The first part is accurate. But there are former Yankees who will forever have my heart. Bobby Abreu is one, Hideki Matsui is another. I love Melky Cabrera. In fact, I can’t think of many former Yankees for whom I feel such disdain, except for Roger Clemens. But that’s because of the steroid issues. And there are players on other teams for whom I have enormous respect.
Tricia, You have zero problems when it comes to swallowing a bitter pill…..No sugar coating for you….
“Rich I’m not even sure what you’re arguing about anymore”
lol, true
On that note, I’m going home.”
LMFAO
Actually Erica, I did a search to see whether Damon was discussed here and he was. I am not a 24-7 lohudder, and I don’t read every post on every forum. If nobody had mentioned Damon, I wouldn’t have posted the article. I had just read it and thought it was a very good artile. So I wanted to post it.
It’s fair to say remember the good times, and I do. But this whole story has gotten a ton of press time and several people took the Yankees to task when he wasn’t signed. I just can’t believe how he continues to press the Yankee thing now that he isn’t going to be signed. I find it bizarre to say the least/.
Pat M.
My point of departure is simply that I think the Yankees are vulnerable over the next few years because they over rely on aging players who are susceptible to decline or injury, and the farm system lacks the ML ready depth to replace them. So until those lower level prospects develop, I would like to see the ML team have as much payroll flexibility as possible in case they need to go out and trade for replacements.
Yes to the last question.
Pat M, you are right. I think I can take a hit with the best of them. I don’t have difficulty adjusting to any Yankee situations once they have become a fait d’accompli. It’s all part of the game.
And yeah, I don’t sugarcoat the way I am feeling.
SJ
“Rich, really, get a grip. He’s Derek Freaking Jeter.”
He’s not immune from the effects of aging, is he?
“They aren’t on an austerity program and there is no proof they are on one now just because they didn’t want to overpay for Johnny Damon.”
They didn’t want to pay Holliday either.
Hey, SJ, you stole my line: “He’s Derek Freakin’ Jeter.”
But, frankly, I really don’t know what your gripe is Rich in NJ. There are some situations that don’t fit neatly into a plan or into life for that matter. Do you really think the Yankees haven’t been planning for this? Do you think they aren’t prepared? Do you think Jeter hasn’t? Do you think either one of them would part ways over money?
This will be one of the easiest contracts ever done. If not, well, I’ll have egg on my face, I guess.
Anyway, sorry if I interrupted the party. I truly didn’t post the article just to flame Damon. And I did search to see if he was mentioned here. Maybe those posts where he was mentioned were out of context. But again, when I am hitting and running, I never have the time to cull all of the posts.
Sorry Erica and anyone else who was offended by it.
I’ll now leave y’all to discuss the real king of the mountain, DJ.
Jeter will be a Yankee as long as he wants to be.
End of story!!
“End of story!!”
Well, that settles it. Heh.
Rich,
they don’t believe Matt Holliday is a 100 million dollar player.
You want to compare that to Derek Jeter?
What kind of payroll flexibilty would you have if you tied up Holliday for 6-8 years? Less than re-signing Jeter.
This is just arguing for the sake of arguing.
They aren’t going to lowball or not re-sign Derek Jeter.
new thread.
Plainly said and in simple English, Damon was not a fit for 2010. Cashman’s mind was pretty much made up before the postseason of ’09 ever started but what was he supposed to do, telegraph it ? He said he wanted a more flexible roster in 2010 which left Damon’s limitations out to glare.
For the sake of public relations, Damon was made at least one offer and declined for more years and money. He either couldn’t or wouldn’t see the handwriting on the wall after the Curtis Granderson and Nick Johnson moves.
SJ
“they don’t believe Matt Holliday is a 100 million dollar player.”
Let’s discuss that if and when they sign Carl Crawford.
“You want to compare that to Derek Jeter?”
No, my point is that the more money you save, the more you have to sign other players to improve the team.
Doreen, I’ve traveled to see the Bombers whenever they are west of the Mississippi ( including Yankee Stadium & Fenway ), and over the years and currently, by far Derek Jeter is a drawing card and the most popular Yankee player…Hell they don’t even boo him…..He’ll sign after pre-game warmups, and is worth his weight in gold….As for the Yanks preparing for this day, yes and no….Of course they will not insult him in anyway, in fact I think they just extend his current deal ( 20 million ) for 4 years….SJ answered by question if they could do a 10 year 100 million dollar deal and spread it out as a player and as a suit…However it appears that it’s complicated situation due to the lux taxes and suck
My point is whatever they pay Jeter has no impact on other business. Just go back 2 years ago.
They also aren’t going to try and save money on Jeter’s contract.
It’s a non-issue.
SJ
If they would have paid Alex $5m less a year, that’s $5m they could spend elsewhere. I don’t understand why that doesn’t apply to every player, including Derek “Freakin’” Jeter.
I think hal is telling us what we know. Jeter will be and should be back. They won’t low ball him they will make it a fair offer for 4 or 5 years. He will be first yankee to 3000 hits.
Does anyone think harold reynolds was correct saying jeter will retire rather then play another position?
Pat M -
Your scenario, of course, would be the perfect one. But these days, not the easiest one to accomplish.
I agree with SJ44 on all accounts with this.
My original statement was , “I don’t care that it costs to re-sign Derek Jeter. At all.”
And that’s how I feel. Because this is a franchise player, the very definition of a franchise player. And because he is a man of impeccable character, I expect the negotiations to be clean. I joked about having a secret santa fund for this occasion. What I meant was, this is not taking the Yankees by surprise.
You can tell by the way Cashman answers the question, they know it is going to be a job at the end of 2010 to re-sign Jeter, Mo, and probably Girardi, at least. But given the character of all of them, I seriously don’t anticipate a problem.
Why anyone would approach this singular and once-in-a-lifetime situation regarding signing Derek to probably his last Yankees contract with the same attitude as if they were going to be re-signing, well, Johnny Damon, is beyond me. It’s apples and oranges.
Cashman also made no bones about the fact that he was unimpressed with this season’s class of free agents and preferred to hold out for next season. So, for me, it was no surprise that Halladay didn’t get a sniff out of the Yankees, nor did anyone else, really. And Damon was only attractive on Yankees’ terms, as was Matsui.
The Yankees are not going to be mortgaging their future if (when) they re-sign Derek Jeter.
Rich in NJ is right about the contact that Yanks threw at Alex, it’s a killer for the organization and will become even more so as the years tick on….Of course he’ll be a draw as milestones approach, and he’ll be a top 10 guy into his later 30′s, however it was an over inflated deal by at least 5 mil……
Jeter and the Yanks will come together on a contract, so the following question is hypothetical:
If Jeter doesn’t sign with the Yanks, how much would he get from another team starting in 2011?
My guess is, nothing like his current contract. By 2011, he may not be regarded as a shortstop, or at least not a good-fielding one. I think an outfielder/DH with limited power might get 1 year at $8 – $12 or 2 years at $15 – $20 million. What does anyone else think?
How has Alex’s contract hurt Yankee business? It hasn’t.
Rich,
if you want to be the guy to try and play hardball with Derek Jeter, have at it.
It’s a losing strategy at every level.
Rich,
You are living proof that not all opinions are created equal.
SJ, Derek Jeter is the most signifcant Yankee since, well Mickey Mantle….It was interesting when he mentioned Donnie Mattingly in a uni other than Pinstripes……Derek’s deal will be done in Hal’s office and with no bs…..Rivera gets a 2 year deal even if he falls of by 15 % this season……
They’ll take care of Jeter and Rivera and if they have to pay over the market for aging great Yankees, so be it. I believe when Jeter and Rivera retire they will both go down as the greatest players ever at their positions. Not bad for home grown talent.
Talk about the consummate athlete and the consummate professional. This guy is really a tremendous competitor. You can see it in his eyes when he talks. Who cares if he’s the greatest Yankee of all time or not. We should all be thankful and proud that he’s a Yankee.
derek jeter will retire this year if he gets married in november mark my words