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State of the Yankees: Rotation

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 15, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It’s a lot easier to write this sort of thing about position players,* but I think we can tweak the format a little bit to make it work for pitchers. The Yankees rotation is obviously built around CC Sabathia, while Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain provide some youth and significant upside, but perhaps the most overlooked move of the winter was the addition of Javier Vazquez. He provides durability to the middle of the rotation and extends the Yankees depth at the back.

Top four: CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett, Andy Pettitte, Javier Vazquez
Competition: Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain
Veteran insurance: Chad Gaudin, Sergio Mitre, Alfredo Aceves
Almost ready: Zach McAllister, Ivan Nova, Romulo Sanchez
Low rising: Jeremy Bleich, Manny Banuelos, Adam Warren, Jose Ramirez

Basically, the Yankees are going into spring training with either Gaudin or Aceves as their No. 7 starter, and that’s a pretty solid situation in terms of depth and insurance. They have a legitimate ace at the top, young talent at the bottom, and two proven veterans in the middle. Burnett is Burnett: Ace stuff without ace consistency. In the past few years, the Yankees have traded away a lot of upper-level pitching talent, but they still have a good group of young arms ready to open the season in Triple-A. Clearly the organizational depth chart goes well beyond the names listed here, and three additional names to keep in mind are Chris Garcia, Alan Horne and George Kontos, right-handers coming back from injuries with the potential to reach the big leagues before the end of the season.

Worst-case scenario: The ghosts of 2004 haunt Vazquez, Pettitte shows his age, Chamberlain and Hughes can’t bring their bullpen results into the rotation, and Burnett is more Mr. Hyde than Dr. Jekyll. At this point, I don’t think it makes much sense to worry about Sabathia, but it’s not especially hard to imagine the things that could go wrong with the rest of the rotation. That said, I’m pretty sure that’s the case with every rotation. Pitchers are volatile, and going beyond an ace is naturally going to raise some red flags.

Best-case scenario: Vazquez repeats 2009, Pettitte continues to pitch as if he’s five years younger, Chamberlain and/or Hughes live up to their potential as front-line starters and Burnett pitches like he did in Game 2, not like Game 5. Oh, and Sabathia wins the Cy Young. There is significant upside to this rotation, so the best-case scenario is a very, very good one. Of all the good that could come in the minor leagues – Banuelos pitching his way to Double-A, Bleich learning to harness his stuff, Jairo Heredia and Dellin Betances getting healthy — the best might be Andrew Brackman throwing strikes and having a breakout season.

The future:  Burnett is signed through 2013 and Sabathia through 2015, but both Pettitte and Vazquez are free agents after this season, so there is the potential for significant change in the near future. Ideally, both Chamberlain and Hughes would pitch well enough and get enough innings to factor into the long-term future of the rotation. McAllister and Nova — and maybe Bleich and a few others – could put themselves into the 2011 mix, but it’s worth noting that the upcoming free agent class includes Josh Beckett, Cliff Lee and Brandon Webb.

An attempt at a (somewhat) complete depth chart
An educated guess, but only a guess
Scranton: Zach McAllister, Ivan Nova, Romulo Sanchez, Kei Igawa, Jason Hirsh
Trenton: Jeremy Bleich, Hector Noesi, Wilkin de la Rosa, Chris Garcia, (maybe Alan Horne, maybe Ryan Pope, maybe D.J. Mitchell, maybe Lance Pendleton)
Tampa: Manny Banuelos, Jairo Heredia, David Phelps, Andrew Brackman (maybe D.J. Mitchell, maybe Lance Pendleton, maybe Ryan Zink)
Charleston: Adam Warren, Bryan Mitchell, Caleb Cotham, Sean Black, (maybe Jose Ramirez)
Extended: Dellin Betances, Brett Marshall, George Kontos (all because of injuries)
I’m hardly an expert on the lower levels of the system, but these guesses are probably fairly close. Quite a bit can change with some pitchers skipping a level, some being crowded out by bigger names and others being bumped to the bullpen. The Yankees have quite a few college arms in the lower levels, so those could move quickly.

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*I realize I didn’t do one of these for designated hitter. I tried and it doesn’t really work. The depth chart is endless — any viable hitter can play the role — which means the state of the Yankees DH is basically the state of Nick Johnson. Can he stay healthy? Can his power numbers increase in Yankee Stadium? Can he do enough for the Yankees to pick up that 2011 option? There’s a lot to be said for Jesus Montero, but let’s wait to see if he can stick at catcher before declaring him the future designated hitter. 

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242 Responses to “State of the Yankees: Rotation”

  1. Phil the Thrill February 15th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Stoneburner could be the fastest mover in the system this year and he’ll most likely start in the Charleston rotation.

  2. YankeeRay February 15th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    Question: If we didn’t sign Winn and just signed Thames to compete with Hoffman for the RH bat/OF, would we be all that upset?

    Related questions: Had we gone that route would we still be in a position to sign Damon? Would others have stayed away fearing that we would swoop in and sign him?
    Would he now sign with us for the 6mm with 3mm deferred?
    Did we want to sign him at all?

    Input please

  3. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    The names look to be in the right spot, guys. I’d prefer to see the Yanks leave Banuelos in Tampa all season, though. I’m hoping that they give DeLaRosa a shot at the AAA rotation ahead of R. Sanchez. Watch out for Phelps and DJ Mitchell. they could come on fast.

  4. S.o.S. February 15th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    Is Chris Garcia the same guy as Christian Garcia? The pitcher that a couple years back a lot of experts in here said he had the best stuff in all of our minor league?

  5. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 15th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Kennedy is not an upper-level talent; at best, in the AL, he would have been a 4 or 5 starter. What other “upper level” pitching talent have the Yankees traded away? Sorry, I can’t think of any.

    I know I’m in the minority, but I’ve never minded that – AJ is a good pitcher and I expect him to have a very good year. Most think he was mediocre last year based on one awful month; people forget that he stopped several losing streaks early in the season (when we were reeling) and gave us innings. This was when Wang was awful and CC very bad. I think it’s unfortunate that most people remember his game 5 WS performance instead of game 2, but what can you do? I can’t wait to see him pitch this year.

  6. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 15th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    I’m not holding my breath on any of the 3 pitchers Chad mentioned (Kontos, Horne and especially Garcia).

  7. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    I was sort of hoping that NYY would take a crack at signing Felipe Lopez as the utility infielder and let him play some corner outfield. Love the bat and speed. He’s paid the four corners as well as short and 2nd base.

  8. JeterJobaCanoFan2010 February 15th, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    Joba, w/o any restrictions will be #5. And a strong one.

  9. Chad Jennings February 15th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Isn’t Stoneburner supposed to work as a reliever? Maybe I’m wrong about that.

    Yes, Chris Garcia is the same as Christian Garcia.

    By “upper-level” pitchers I mean pitchers in the upper-levels of the system, not always high-ceiling starters. I’m thinking of Kennedy, Ohlendorf, McCutchen, Marquez, Clippard, etc.

  10. Phil the Thrill February 15th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    They’re gonna start Stoneburner out as a starter.

  11. champ809 February 15th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Phil

    I agree totally about Stoneburner although I’m very much looking forward to Cotham and Adam Warren at the Charleston and Tampa levels.

    I think DJ Mitchell is a lock for Trenton with Horne maybe starting in Tampa if only because of the warmer weather.

    Betsy

    Believe me when I tell you the absloute best prospect we have in the system as far as pitching is Garcia. If h can finally breakthrough as far as staying healthy for the entire season he is the guy with the HOF type talent in his arm and his athleticism on the mound.

    GB7 and Phil and Bodi

    if you guys are on right now how impressive is the pitching talent in the organization top to bottom right now!? Particularly the low-A Charleston,high A Tampa and AA-Trenton staffs. If these guys pitch to their ability the Yanks may win titles at all levels of the organization including #28 for the big club!

    Worse case scenario no team will be better postioned come the trade deadline as far as sought after prospects should they need/want to tweak either the ML club or the upper level AAA Scranton roster.

    Agree?

  12. champ809 February 15th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Stoneburner will start but the idea is that he couls become ’07 Joba should the need arise and fly through the system if converted to RP.

    Keep an eye out for Caleb Cotham people…..

  13. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Stoneburner has one game pitched in the pros…in relief. Of his 36 college games with 21 starts with an ERA over 4.70. Right….this 14th round pick is truly a fast mover.

  14. Phil the Thrill February 15th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Do you understand the draft pick signability concept GB7 or is that another issue you are arrogantly ignorant of?

    Anyway, Stoneburner throws 96 with a good slider and a decent change and that was before the 30 period ended and they started working on his mechanics. He blew them away at instructs and they are currently very high on him.

  15. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 15th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Thanks for clarifying Chad, but none of those arms were going to make it with the Yankees. They were expendable and the Yanks won’t miss them; they kept the arms they liked.

  16. champ809 February 15th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Felipe Lopez’s rep is what’s keeping him from getting paid the way he wants. He has all the tools but the feeling seems to be that he coasts or doesn’t play 100% all the time. The sad thing is that the NY Nyets(Mets) don’t have any $ after Bernie Madeoff with all their loot and they have that albatross of Castillo’s contract hanging around their necks because Lopez would be perfect for the Mets hitting behind Reyes and in front of Beltran.
    Reyes- SS
    Lopez- 2B
    Beltran- CF
    Wright- 3B
    Bay- LF
    Murphy- 1B
    Francouer- RF
    Santos/Thole- C
    Pitcher

    Bench- Pagan,Cora,Tatis,Matthews

    that’s a winnable lineup in the NL East

  17. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 15th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Champ, sorry – let Garcia stay healthy and show something first. HOF talent? I’m not buying it either. Not only that, but from what I’ve read, he’s not exactly the hardest worker.

  18. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Of the list of names above that actually make something of themselves as Yankees total 6 and the rest fade or become trade bait, I’d consider that a great 3 year draft selection.

  19. champ809 February 15th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    GB7

    Phils right here. Stoneburner is a stud waiting to happen and this year he will make noise. I’ve read that he was topping out at 98 at the instructs and sits 94-96 with the fastball and that was before they could “clean him up” a lil bit.

    Anyway if McCallister and Nova can get it done in Scranton this year then the key guys will be the Trenton staff along with Banuelos and Brackman. If those guys are doing well then it becomes alot easier to package guys like McCallister and Nova as being ML ready guys in deals at the deadline.

  20. champ809 February 15th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Garcia’s talent is unquestioned. His only obstacle is the health. Whenever he takes the mound he’s lights out!!!! he’s lso the most athletic pitcher in the entire organization next to Mariano. In fact if he can’t seem to stay healthy as a starter I can guarantee you the next thing would be to make him a closer and the talk will be he’ll be the heir apparent to Mo.

    In a 1 or 2 inning role he’d be sitting 95-98 with 3 other plus-plus plus piches and he’s only what 24yrs old.

  21. jake February 15th, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    Good outlook on the pitching depth.
    McAllister is getting the most press, but the Yanks have got a bunch of guys now in the upper levels of their system who are awfully close. None of them may project as top-of-the-rotation guys, but every team needs #4 and #5 guys, too. McAllister IS close, and will likely get at least a cup of coffee sometime in 2010. Nova projects a little better as a reliever. Jeremy Bleich is a guy to keep an eye on. Sure, his AA numbers from 2009 look ugly, but they don’t tell the whole picture. He added 2-3mph to his fastball last year and is a smart kid and a hard worker. 2009 was his first year of full-season ball. Plenty of pitchers who make it in the big leagues needed more than 1 season of full-season ball to get it together. Manny Banuelos will make it to AAA by the end of 2010, and will be banging on the major league door sometime in 2011. He’s extraordinarily polished. Both he and Bleich project as Ted Lilly-types. Not bad at all. I wouldn’t expect much out of Sanchez or Hirsh. Hirsh could surprise, though. However, if he is healthy, none other than Christian Garcia is the Yanks’ best minor league pitcher. The guy has shown fantastic stuff, I mean, really fantastic stuff. And he knows how to pitch. He just hasn’t known how to stay healthy. If he makes it through to July, or so, in the minors, and stays healthy, you could see him in the big leagues before the end of 2010.

  22. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 15th, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    We’ll just have to agree to disagree on Garcia, Champ.

  23. MTU February 15th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    IMO the Yankees should try to hold onto Z-Mac.

    He’s not flashy but he seems to get the job done. Also durable.

    His sinker might play well in YS.

  24. Phil the Thrill February 15th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    I think Manny Banuelos has a chance to be very much better than Ted Lilly.

  25. champ809 February 15th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    Cool Bets but there is no disagreement on his talent. He has been a disappoinment so far with all the injuries granted. But if healthy, talent wise, I think a case can be made that only CC is a better pitcher than Garcia in the whole organization.

  26. MTU February 15th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    I also think Adam Warren might be a guy to keep an eye on.

  27. champ809 February 15th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    I agree Banuelos has a much higher ceiling than a Ted Lilly type mler…The only negative about Manny is he’s “undersized” @ 5’11″ and 170. Funny this is that Pedro Martinez is the same size and dealt with the same negative perception about him and how’d he turn out?

  28. MTU February 15th, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Guidry wasn’t exactly huge. ;)

  29. lets go yankees February 15th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    Phil the Thrill
    February 15th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Do you understand the draft pick signability concept GB7 or is that another issue you are arrogantly ignorant of?

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    Phil, unfortunately GB7 is unable to comprehend anything that has developed in baseball post 1950 so you are out of luck.

  30. champ809 February 15th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    Gator was the same 5’11″ and 175 lbs soaking wet.

  31. Phil the Thrill February 15th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Nardi and Torre Tyson as sky high on Banuelos. Tyson saw all his starts, too. We’ll see how he goes on, but the kid knows how to pitch and they think he’s gonna add some more velo.

  32. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Phil the Thrill
    February 15th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
    Do you understand the draft pick signability concept GB7 or is that another issue you are arrogantly ignorant of?

    Anyway, Stoneburner throws 96 with a good slider and a decent change and that was before the 30 period ended and they started working on his mechanics. He blew them away at instructs and they are currently very high on him.

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    I don’t care what he throws. Signability issues don’t normally fall to the 14th round. I’m not ignorant of drafting problems…arrogantly or otherwise.

    You fit in with those other two jerks on here. You now make the Three Stooges…just not as bright.

  33. stuckey February 15th, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    No one is suggesting YOU can’t be successful as an undersized pitcher. But the fact is it’s VERY UNUSUAL to be successful at that size.

    But there are always exceptions to any rule.

    Nothing more, nothing less.

  34. SJ44 February 15th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    FWIW, my nephew faced Banuelos last year. Said he had the best changeup of any pitcher he faced last year. His velocity was down a bit later in the year so, he fastball flattened out a bit.

    Overall though, he felt Manny was one of the best lefties he faced and he hits lefties very, very well.

    As far as Garcia is concerned, he isn’t worth talking about until he can show he can stay healthy. Until that point, he’s more like Alan Horne than anybody else.

    Lots of talent but, if you can’t take the ball, you are of little value to anybody.

  35. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    lets go yankees
    February 15th, 2010 at 6:10 pm
    Phil the Thrill
    February 15th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Do you understand the draft pick signability concept GB7 or is that another issue you are arrogantly ignorant of?

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    Phil, unfortunately GB7 is unable to comprehend anything that has developed in baseball post 1950 so you are out of luck.

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    And now, we await to hear from the third Stooge.

  36. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    SJ44
    February 15th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
    FWIW, my nephew faced Banuelos last year. Said he had the best changeup of any pitcher he faced last year. His velocity was down a bit later in the year so, he fastball flattened out a bit.

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    He’s quite accomplished as a pitcher. Somehow he skipped “the thower” stage. The last teenagers that I can remember with that much understanding of the art of pitching were Godden and Valenzuela. Not in anyway comparing them in anything besides “understanding”. How was the nephew’s winter conditioning? I didn’t see much of him in the Sally League. I think I saw two of the games. Like that bat.

  37. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    pitching were ***Gooden***

  38. S.o.S. February 15th, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    Whats up with all these attacks on GB? Seriously, if you dont like what he has to say, skip his posts. Or hit the reply button from yesterdays threads, no one will care. Didnt your parents ever teach you how to respect your elders?

    Iv got your back GB.

  39. S.o.S. February 15th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Speaking of injury prone pitchers. Who do you guys foresee finally being able to help the big team? Horne or Garcia? Horne not long ago was next in line to be called up and then it all went down hill from there. Garcia has the electric stuff.
    Or do they both have Pavanoitus?

  40. Phil the Thrill February 15th, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    An explanation of overslot bonuses for people who want to know and morons who resist understanding it.

    Because kids in the baseball draft can be drafted while they still have school eligibility left they end up having “leverage” going into the draft. That is to say, that if they don’t get what they want financially, they have the option of just going back to school.

    Comrade Bud, acting in the interests of the Breweres, I mean MLB, uses his bully pulpit to try to enforce specific payments for each slot in the 50 rounds of the draft. He has absolutely no negotiated right to do this, but he does it, and when teams give kids “overslot” payments, he lets the deals sit on his desk till around the deadline before approving them. Meanwhile, he also often calls teams execs in to explain their overslot payments, etc. In other words it’s a dicey, though toothless business.

    For some reason, the Commish is a little less vigilant about overslots starting around round 6. That’s where the Yanks have started taking many of their overslots over the past few years. Of course you remember that Austin Jackson and Dellin Betances were taken around the 8th and given 800K or so, and so on. And there is no number limit on when the overslots will stop if they think they can get the player, for example Stoneburner was a 14th round pick but they gave him 500K or so to sign. Even later in the draft they took Evan Deluca in the 44th round and gave him 850K to sign.

    So, hopefully, those who didn’t now ave a sense of how signability and overslot payments work throughout the draft. And similarly if you couldn’t you can now see that the 14 round is well within the area where the Yanks are sometimes looking to see if they can’t get something done with someone they have a very high grade on. Like Stoneburner.

  41. Bo knows February 15th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    Iv got your back GB.

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    With GB lashing and bashing, his back might not be the best position to be in. You might just get a sore ear from an elbow.

  42. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    S.o.S.
    February 15th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
    Whats up with all these attacks on GB? Seriously, if you dont like what he has to say, skip his posts. Or hit the reply button from yesterdays threads, no one will care. Didnt your parents ever teach you how to respect your elders?

    Iv got your back GB.

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    Careful, S.o.S. They get a little uppity when you don’t agree with them. How’s your weather? It’s been a long, tiring winter at this end. Can’t wait until the ST games start so there will be new players to trash or explain why they’ll be the greatest Yankees since Mantle, Ford, Jeter and Guidry….combined.

  43. Innocent Bystander February 15th, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    Phil the Thrill -

    I would have appreciated your tutorial a whole lot more if you left out the word “moron.”

  44. Phil the Thrill February 15th, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    IB, sorry, I wish I could edit it, but I was annoyed.

  45. Bo knows February 15th, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    I would have appreciated your tutorial a whole lot more if you left out the word “moron.”

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    That’s called lively discussion. Just a throwaway. It only hurts if it applies.

    On another note.
    In my experience moronic individuals always look around to see who the epithet is directed at.

  46. S.o.S. February 15th, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    GB7,
    Its been a bone chillin 60 degrees with clouds and some the last couple weeks. Today its back to a duable 74 and sunny. Whats your end look like?

  47. Rick February 15th, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    I wouldn’t consider McAllister or Nova for 2010 unless an emergency occured.
    Their careers are better served with a full season at AAA to keep their development on target.

  48. Pat M. February 15th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    GB, I see you made new friends today !!!! I got fleeced back in 71, I recieved $ 7,500 for signing…Went out and bought a new Cougar XR7 Convertible for 3900.00 bucks and I thought I had it made…..

  49. jake February 15th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Horne is 27. Garcia is 24. You are correct, SoS, in noting Garcia’s stuff. He’s been rehabbing for most of the past year, so there’s no telling what you’re going to be getting. But Garcia has shown the following: a moving and legit 93+heater and the best curveball and best changeup in the system. He certainly looked like the real deal when i saw him two years ago. A healthy Garcia is a legit top-of-the-line starter prospect. If he doesnt’ show good health in 2010, his stock will fall dramatically. But if he’s healthy throughout 2010 and regains all his heat, you will see him in the major leagues before too long. No one should be ready to give up on him at this point. Plenty of good ML starters don’t make it to the big leagues until they’re 25, even 26. A really good sign with Garcia is this: he’s pretty much always pitched really well. He’s had several injuries, but in between those injuries, and even when he’s been hurting a little, his numbers look pretty darned good. That tells you something. As for Horne, he was, first of all, never seen as a guy with the potential of Garcia. He was merely viewed as a solid ML pitching prospect. That said, he, too, would probably have been in the big leagues already if not for injuries. However, unlike Garcia, Horne hasn’t looked good on the mound for a while. Given that, and his age, his window may be rapidly closing.

  50. randy l. February 15th, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    “Phil, unfortunately GB7 is unable to comprehend anything that has developed in baseball post 1950 so you are out of luck.”

    let’s go yankees-

    aren’t you the guy who thought that the more jeter and rivera and other yankees play the less they know about baseball?

    yes, that was you.

    if inexperience with the game were the criteria for knowing, you’d be a flipping expert.

  51. Pat M. February 15th, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    Randy I ( The Original Tin Cup )…That be him….He’s a confusing guy, he knows baseball, then he pops out some off the wall doosey’s

  52. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    S.o.S.
    February 15th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
    GB7,
    Its been a bone chillin 60 degrees with clouds and some the last couple weeks. Today its back to a duable 74 and sunny. Whats your end look like?

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    Yeah…it sounds like you’re ready for snow chains and snowsuits. It’s been ok today. Got down to the upper 20s last night (same for tonight and got into the mid 50s here today. Right now, it’s abot 45 degrees. That’s about normal for here. It’s short sleeve weather in about a month and St. Patrick’s Day should be great…if it doesn’t rain. River Street is insane here in Savannah on that day.

  53. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Pat M.
    February 15th, 2010 at 7:00 pm
    GB, I see you made new friends today !!!! I got fleeced back in 71, I recieved $ 7,500 for signing…Went out and bought a new Cougar XR7 Convertible for 3900.00 bucks and I thought I had it made…..

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    Imagine what a 1971 Cougar would be worth now?

    Speaking of cougars born in 1971….I need to see who’s available.

    To paraphrase Bob Uecker: “My dad had to work hard to get that much money together to pay the team to sign me.”

  54. Phil the Thrill February 15th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    Yanks also gave 16th round pick Bryan Mitchell 800K this past year. DeLuca may have only gotten 500K, btw, I’ve seen both prices on him.

  55. S.o.S. February 15th, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    Jake,
    Good stuff. I hope that some of these guys that are coming off injuries can regain what they once had. Brackman is the other one was highly regarded. I never really saw it from the numbers he had in college. But most say he was already pitching hurt. Cant wait till it goes from Joba vs. Hughes to the next (im trying not to throw up)generation trey.

  56. Phil the Thrill February 15th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    This past draft could turn out to look very good in the coming years.

  57. Pat M. February 15th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    GB7, The lovely Jennifer Aniston, although I think he’s a miles over 40 now…..I saw her one time at a Cadillac Service Dept in Costa Mesa….She was beautiful, not much make-up, standing off to the side smoking a butt….If that’s the type of Cougar you’re thinking of ??? 71 Rag-top Cougar is worth about 22 K in good shape

  58. S.o.S. February 15th, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    Imagine what a 1971 Cougar would be worth now?

    =======

    Some cougars keep themselves in great shape. Such as Demi Moore and to a step further, one of my favorites. Raquel Welch. Some Cougars can darn right be priceless.

  59. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    A pitcher with back issues (fractured vertebra) like Stoneburner has a better chance of staying healthy as a reliever than as a starter. I’d have more concerns about his back than his arm. As a tired starter, he’d be more susceptable to reinjury as a reliever

  60. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 15th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Champ, I’m sorry, I won’t even concede the point on talent. Behind only CC? I don’t even know what to say.

  61. S.o.S. February 15th, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    Michelle Pfieffer is another one. I heard she wasnt really that hot in a high school nearby. I cant believe the guys couldnt see through the 4 eyes, braces, pimples and nerdy clothes at the time. Im telling you now, i would have seen right through all of that.

  62. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Pat M.
    February 15th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
    GB7, The lovely Jennifer Aniston, although I think he’s a miles over 40 now…..I saw her one time at a Cadillac Service Dept in Costa Mesa….She was beautiful, not much make-up, standing off to the side smoking a butt….If that’s the type of Cougar you’re thinking of ??? 71 Rag-top Cougar is worth about 22 K in good shape

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    No doubt about her being a real beauty. Prefer a woman with a body style like that over the rail thins of today.

    It kills me to know that like my baseball cards, my mom sold my first car, a ’57 droptop Chevy…black, red interior and white top. I cry myself to sleep every night.

    S.o.S also scored with Rachel Welch…Linda Evans, Lynda Carter….all before vintage ’71 models…but, vintage is vintage.

  63. S.o.S. February 15th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    With a name like STONE-BURNER, you cant be throwing knuckle balls. Has to be one of the best baseball names iv heard since Boof Bonsor and Rocco.

  64. MTU February 15th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    S.o.S-

    How about “Slade the Blade” Heathcott ?

    Will he slice em’ and dice em’.

  65. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    As a tired starter, he’d be more susceptable to reinjury as a reliever

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  66. S.o.S. February 15th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    S.o.S also scored with Rachel Welch…Linda Evans, Lynda Carter….all before vintage ‘71 models…but, vintage is vintage.

    ======

    Not sure if you know what the word scored means these days. Im going out on a limb and saying you didnt score with all those hotties unless you are really one of the old 007 charactors.

    Is it bad that i say Linda Carter play wonderwomen when i was a kid and cant remember one episode? All i can remember is men getting her in a bear hug and getting a weird feeling watching it. I know TMI.

  67. Pat M. February 15th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    GB, Saw Kim Novak a few months ago as we both go to the same Knee doc….She still has it !!

  68. MTU February 15th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Pat-

    Let me know if you see Lollabrigida. Wow.

  69. S.o.S. February 15th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    S.o.S-

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    Will he slice em’ and dice em’.

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    hmmm… I wreckin. I wonder if he eats tators before game time? Dont know why but Sling Blade just sounds right.

  70. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    No other name is more like a perfect baseball name than “Mickey Mantle”. He’s the model for all of the Norman Rockwell covers.

  71. stuckey February 15th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Sophia Loren reference coming in 3 … 2 … 1 ….

  72. MTU February 15th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    S.o.S-

    I hope not. ;)

  73. champ809 February 15th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    Betsy – Romine wasn’t built in a day
    February 15th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
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    I understand. But it’s just because you don’t know much about Chris Garcia besides his injury history. I’ll put it to you like this, if you ask anyone in the player development department of the Yanks and most of the scouts that assuming each would be healthy over the next 5-10yrs and who’d be the best of the young starters in the Yank system Joba and Hughes included I’d bet the overwhelming pick would be Garcia.

    First things first, he has to stay healthy but as far as his “stuff” grades out he’s got the org’s best rated curve,best rated change and a big explosive FB that sits 94-96 easy with a very fluid motion.He’s also the best athlete amongst the pitchers. He also has plus command and control.

  74. S.o.S. February 15th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    Never heard of Novak. But i just saw what you said and have to put her on that list. Bassinger goes in as well.

  75. Nick in SF February 15th, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    There was a time when Phil Hughes was the only Yankee prospect I had heard of.

    Now I know a lot more.

    Thanks, LoHudders.

    What’s going on right now, a geriatric hottie contest? How about Barbara Eden? Barbara Feldon? Peggy Lipton?

    Thank god for syndication or I never would have known any of them.

  76. Nick in SF February 15th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    Never heard of Kim Novak??@@??@!!!??

    Dude, you need to rent “Vertigo” tonight.

  77. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    Pat M.
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    GB, Saw Kim Novak a few months ago as we both go to the same Knee doc….She still has it !!

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    Haven’t seen pix of her in years. I did see her movie “Bell. Book And Candle” recently with Jimmy stewart. A real beauty. Her only trouble was fitting with the Monroes, Mansfield and Van Dorens. They weren’t aging well. Bo Derek has aged perfectly, though.

  78. MTU February 15th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    The “original” blonde bombshell- Jean Harlow.

  79. S.o.S. February 15th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Sophia is a lock, also something about Dianne Lane and Ashley Judd.

  80. stuckey February 15th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    Can anyone tell me where the Bingo game is tonight? Can I finish watching my Wheel of Fortune before it starts?

    And does anyone have a piece of hard candy? I ate dinner at 4 and I’m feeling a little peckish. I don’t want to go to bed at 9pm feeling hungry.

  81. MTU February 15th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Claudia Cardinale in “The Professionals”.

  82. Nick in SF February 15th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Pipe down, Matlock is on.

  83. S.o.S. February 15th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    There was a time when Phil Hughes was the only Yankee prospect I had heard of.

    =======

    There was a time where there was only Eric Duncan in the minors that i knew. Thanks Cash for restocking.

  84. Phil the Thrill February 15th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Claudia Cardinale in Once Upon a Time in the West.

  85. S.o.S. February 15th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Pipe down, Matlock is on.

    ===

    Followed by Columbo.

  86. m February 15th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    PUT IN YOUR HEARING AID, NICK.

  87. Pat M. February 15th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    S.O.S…..Kim Bassinger is a local here…I see her often in her Aqua Retro Thunderbird ( Kim’s TB ) …She shops at an antique store near my wife’s Vet Hospital…..Vicky Vale is still a dish

  88. Chad Jennings February 15th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    New post

  89. Nick in SF February 15th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    This whole line of discussion should be nested.

    :arrow:

  90. jake February 15th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    S.o.S.
    February 15th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
    There was a time when Phil Hughes was the only Yankee prospect I had heard of.
    =======
    There was a time where there was only Eric Duncan in the minors that i knew. Thanks Cash for restocking.

    LOL. Eric Duncan. He’s been playing golf lately with David Parrish, Bronson Sardinha, and Brien Taylor.

  91. MTU February 15th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    New thread >>>>>>>

  92. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    Prime 9 tonight is DHs.

    #9 is Brian Downing. Outstanding bat.

  93. S.o.S. February 15th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

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    ====

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  94. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    #8 is Chili Davis.

  95. S.o.S. February 15th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    S.O.S…..Kim Bassinger is a local here…I see her often in her Aqua Retro Thunderbird ( Kim’s TB ) …She shops at an antique store near my wife’s Vet Hospital…..Vicky Vale is still a dish

    =====

    Sorry Pat. Everytime i read something like this coming from you, it craps me out. The only celebrities that come from this crap hole i live in is people getting arrested in COPS. True story, the head cheer leader i dated for a bit in high school was on COPS for demestic violence. There you have it. Im moving back to TEMECULA next month. Nothing like Newport. But better than this desert crap.

  96. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    #7 is Don Baylor. He could do it all, except field.

  97. Pat M. February 15th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    S.O.S..My son just bought a house in Lake Elsinore, just up th 15 from Temecula…Nice area, too hot for me though….

  98. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    #6 is Hal McCrae. What a hitter, and great base runner. Only players that I saw that slid into 2nd harder was Mantle and Frank Robinson.

  99. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    #5 is Harold Baines. As soon as a DH gets into the HOF, Martinez and Baines will go in. Al Oliver should have been in years ago.

  100. S.o.S. February 15th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    S.O.S..My son just bought a house in Lake Elsinore, just up th 15 from Temecula…Nice area, too hot for me though….

    ======

    Unbelievable. If you thought Lake Elsinore was hot, you would pass out in Hemet. My boy had a football game this year and it was 114 degrees. We fried. And they say So.cal people are weak.

  101. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    #4 is Paul Molitor. Beautiful swing and an outstanding base runner.

  102. Matt February 15th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

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  103. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    #3 is David Ortiz..

  104. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

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  105. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    #2 is Frank Thomas

  106. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

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