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Notes from Sunday

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc, Podcast on Feb 21, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Cervelli

You might have expected Johnny Damon to be a hot topic of discussion at Steinbrenner Field today, but his name wasn’t brought up very often. By the time he signed with the Tigers on Saturday, it seems the Yankees had resigned themselves to the fact he wasn’t coming back.

“Once spring training starts, I think it’s real,” Jorge Posada said. “Your team is set and you pretty much know he’s not coming back. We’re going to miss the guy in the clubhouse and on the field. Professional guy, and a guy that really was key for us throughout the years, especially last year.”

Those who did talk about Damon, wished him well. With very few exceptions — many of them in the Yankees clubhouse — players come and go. That’s the reality of the game, something Joe Girardi called “the hard part of the game.”

“I am happy for him that he has found out where he’s going to go,” Girardi said. “I think for players, that’s an anxious time trying to figure out where you’re going to be. Usually it doesn’t go on this long, so I’m sure he was curious. I wish Johnny luck. Johnny was good for us here, and we all miss Johnny. This is the hard part of the game, when those relationships change a little bit. I’ll root for Johnny, except when he’s playing against us.”

Here’s the Girardi audio.

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• At this point, almost every pitcher in camp has thrown two bullpens. With few exceptions, bullpen sessions today and Saturday included breaking balls. Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes threw 35 pitches this morning, but pretty much everyone else is up to 40 pitches.

• Heard a lot of good things about Andrew Brackman today. Pitching coordinator Nardi Contreras said Brackman has been throwing his fastball and curveball for strikes, and now he’s trying to refine his changeup. “Brackman’s fastball is great,” Contreras said. “Command. He’s downhill. Throwing the ball really well.” Even Girardi watched Brackman a little bit today. “He looked good,” Girardi said. “He was down in the zone all day today, which is encouraging. I think his mechanics are cleaner.”

• I believe I mentioned it this morning, but just in case: Wilkin De La Rosa sat out today’s bullpen sessions. Right now, he’s limited to two bullpens a week because he’s coming back from an elbow injury. He’ll throw on Tuesdays and Fridays.

• Brett Gardner was in the clubhouse for a little while this afternoon. He sat talking to Kevin Whelan for a long time. I have absolutely no idea what they were talking about, but if I had to guess, I’d say it had something to do with hunting.

• Good stuff from Anthony McCarron at the Daily News, writing about Derek Jeter’s improvement at shortstop. 

• Pitchers who threw today:
First group: Chamberlain, Hughes, Ramirez, Vazquez
Second group: Garcia, Melancon, Logan, Moseley
Third group: Igawa, McAllister, Nova, Whelan
Fourth group: Bleich, Brackman, Mitchell, Noesi

• First group matchups: Cervelli caught Chamberlain, Rivera caught Hughes, Montero caught Ramirez, Posada caught Vazquez.

Here’s a shot of Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes after their morning bullpen session.

Joba and Phil

 
 

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130 Responses to “Notes from Sunday”

  1. baseballfab February 21st, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    HUGE mistake losing Damon. Cashman needed to put his ego aside, we needed Damon.

  2. m February 21st, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Um. Ego had NOTHING to do with it.

  3. Joe from Long Island February 21st, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    1. What makes anyone who knows how to read that Brian Cashman’s ego was at play here?

    2. I find it interesting that anyone can imagine what somebody’s thought processes are without actually knowing them, or speaking with them.

  4. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    Yeah, just who does Cashman think he is to offer more money and more years to Johnny Damon, anyway. What an egotistical bum.

  5. m February 21st, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    I take that back. Someone overvalued their services. Ego? Perhaps. Would Damon have played for the Yankees for 1 yr/$8m? Perhaps. He said he loved playing in New York. Would the Tigers have topped the Yankees 2yr/$14M? I think we know the answer to that question.

  6. m February 21st, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    And not to say that Damon’s not worth $8m. But the reason why he’s not a Yankee is because he turned down their 2/14 offer.

    And if Cash is to be believed, the demands were too high to consider so he moved on.

  7. JRod February 21st, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    baseballfab is Scott Boras

  8. stuckey February 21st, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    “What changed my mind was talking to scouts and then going back and seeing some games based on what I was told. After review, while better than 2007, it didn’t seem to me that his play concurred with his rating.”

    Interesting. And big of you to acknowledge.

    I think this entire forum should consider and learn from the example of how SJ44, someone regarded in these parts with baseball knowledge, was at one time completely misled by his own eyes and experience into concluding Jeter was having a good defensive year in 2008 and which I imagine likely influenced the discourse on this forum at that time.

    I’d imagine that humbling experience has correctly informed how stringently he criticizes systems or people whose conclusions he doesn’t share.

  9. Bo Knows February 21st, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    I’d imagine that humbling experience has correctly informed how stringently he criticizes systems or people whose conclusions he doesn’t share.

    ———————————————
    Give it a rest with this patronizing hot air. Sounds like a little oxygen deprivation living in those rarified heights is turning you delusional. Keyboard warrior.

  10. randy l. February 21st, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    “I’d imagine that humbling experience has correctly informed how stringently he criticizes systems or people whose conclusions he doesn’t share.”

    sj44 can take care of himself.

    but you can spell ” pompous jackass” can’t you?

  11. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    stuckey
    February 21st, 2010 at 6:30 pm
    “What changed my mind was talking to scouts and then going back and seeing some games based on what I was told. After review, while better than 2007, it didn’t seem to me that his play concurred with his rating.”

    Interesting. And big of you to acknowledge.

    I think this entire forum should consider and learn from the example of how SJ44, someone regarded in these parts with baseball knowledge, was at one time completely misled by his own eyes and experience into concluding Jeter was having a good defensive year in 2008 and which I imagine likely influenced the discourse on this forum at that time.

    I’d imagine that humbling experience has correctly informed how stringently he criticizes systems or people whose conclusions he doesn’t share.

    ————————————————————

    No doubt about it. You and the others could learn from SJ benefit quite well by being more humble and admitting that you’re wrong a major portion of the time.

  12. stuckey February 21st, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    “but you can spell ” pompous jackass” can’t you?”

    Yup. Can even write like one on purpose too..

    You guys really miss the theater in that?

  13. randy l. February 21st, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    stuckey-

    i’d be more interested in what you have to say about what girardi had to say about vazquez on the audio posted above because i am starting to get very excited about having vazquez on the yankees.

    he’d be a number one on the majority of teams in baseball.

    this may be a case of right time , right place for a pitcher.

    i really don’t see anyone on the yankees being better than him except for sabathia.

  14. stuckey February 21st, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    Haven’t listened to the audio yet, but I’m expecting good things from Vasquez as well. I believe his second half in ’04 might have simply been a random bad second half rather than some failure to deal with the pressure of NY.

    He’s an above average pitcher prone to some peaks and valleys but in a good situation at the right time in his career.

  15. Bo Knows February 21st, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    Yup. Can even write like one on purpose too..

    You guys really miss the theater in that?

    ———————————————-
    The difference between wit and twit is one letter. I’ll let you decide where you rate on the scale.

  16. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    A case of bad shoulder/arm had more to do with Vazquez’ bad 2nd half than forgetting how to pitch. He was one of 2 starters that NYY had that year that weren’t somebody’s elses throwaway. Even Mussina and Leiber missed 7 starts.

  17. stuckey February 21st, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    “The difference between wit and twit is one letter. I’ll let you decide where you rate on the scale.”

    Dorothy Parker, right?

  18. Bo Knows February 21st, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    A case of bad shoulder/arm had more to do with Vazquez’ bad 2nd half than forgetting how to pitch. He was one of 2 starters that NYY had that year that weren’t somebody’s elses throwaway. Even Mussina and Leiber missed 7 starts

    ——————————————
    And that’s why I hated Big George. Vazquez and Beltran instead of Johnson. Argh.

  19. Tarheelyank February 21st, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    “I believe his second half in ‘04 might have simply been a random bad second half rather than some failure to deal with the pressure of NY.”

    Behold a “critical thinker” has spoken!

  20. bru February 21st, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    i hope everybody is right about vazquez’s injury when he was with us the last time because if he pitches like he did in the 1st half of that season we are going to have a very nice staff or could.

    in addition him evolving as a pitcher i think he can be every bit as good as lackey or better

  21. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    Johnson wasn’t up for sale in 2004 and neither was Beltran. 2004 had nothing to do with 2005.

  22. Rick February 21st, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    Tarheelyank
    February 21st, 2010 at 7:01 pm
    “I believe his second half in ‘04 might have simply been a random bad second half rather than some failure to deal with the pressure of NY.”

    Behold a “critical thinker” has spoken!

    …………………..

    Keep in mind that Javy Vasquez pitched through pain in late 2004 in no small part to the way Torre used a pitching staff consisting of Kevin Brown among others.

  23. Tarheelyank February 21st, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Rick

    I agree, I was just being a smart a##.

    In a theatrical type of way, of course.

  24. stuckey February 21st, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Tarheel, a popular theory is Vasquez couldn’t handle the pressure of NY. Problem is he was mostly good to very good until one awful start on July 16th against Detroit, when the Yankees started the day enjoying a 7 game lead over the Sox.

    He wasn’t even that bad the rest of July, until really struggling in August, when the Yankees lead approached 10 games.

    Yet there are still people – including here – who think he couldn’t handle the pressure of being a Yankee.

    What would you call THAT sort of thinking?

  25. murphydog February 21st, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    Javy Vazquez is back. He is Puerto Rican, my wife is Puerto Rican. There is much joy in my house. My mother-in-law is also beside herself with pride. She says to me today very earnestly, “Javy is very good, no?” and I said “Javy is very good, yes.” We clink our Malta bottles together and smile, thinking about being ten games up in July, with Javy pitching in the All Star Game again. Then I realize I don’t even mind the taste of Malta anymore.

    My wife’s uncle also happened to check in from Puerto Rico by phone, asking my wife to ask me what I thought about the return of Javy. “It’s all good,” I told her to tell him. He agreed.

    It’s always good to be Puerto Rican in the Bronx, but for my extended family it’s especially good to have Javy Vazquez back in the Boogie Down. It’s all good.

  26. blake February 21st, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Vazquez was an all star in 04. He wasn’t right in that second half for whatever reason..but he proved in the first half that he could do it in NY.

  27. Tarheelyank February 21st, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    What would you call THAT sort of thinking?

    Inaccurate. just busting some chops Stuckey.

  28. Bo Knows February 21st, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    “The difference between wit and twit is one letter. I’ll let you decide where you rate on the scale.”

    Dorothy Parker, right?

    —————————
    No, it isn’t. But you get brownie points for attributing it to my favorite author, a Rothschield no less.

    Now good manners won’t let me call you an “ankle biter” and other derogatories.

    This is Dorothy Parker

    “You can lead a horticulture, but you can’t make her think.”

  29. stuckey February 21st, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    Bo, did you and I just become the founding LoHud Algonquinites?

  30. Chad Jennings February 21st, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Austin Jackson’s Scranton/Wilkes-Barre jersey is about to sell for almost 550 bucks.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA.....0445613885

  31. Rob NY February 21st, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    le sigh. Austin we hardly knew ye.

  32. Erica - always OPPC February 21st, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    Okay, this is not relevant to anything, but the guy who played Boner on Growing Pains is missing!!!! I hope he is found safe

    http://news-briefs.ew.com/2010.....d-missing/

  33. Nick in SF February 21st, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    “I don’t even know what ace is? I mean, is that an acronym for something?” Beckett said. “I’ve always kind of tried to figure that out.”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/bost.....id=4933628

  34. Nick in SF February 21st, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Another Catastophic Ending?

  35. pete February 21st, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Randy: I have no doubt posada knows things about pitching and catching that I do not. But a manager’s biggest role is decision-making, not coaching. He has coaches to do that. A manager’s purpose is to make the correct situational calls, which calls for a different set of critical thinking skills.

    And of course I know what adding and subtracting is with a curveball. When I played, I was a pitcher, and this was one of the things that allowed me to excel was the ability to turn “one” pitch – the curveball – into several. And you’re right it’s not just about velocity. In fact, your arm speed and angle can’t change or you’d defeat the purpose of doing it. What you do is apply different amounts of pressure with your fingers and on different parts of the seams. Which of course sounds a lot easier than it is, but remember the body is much stupider than the brain – it takes tons of repetition on each different variation before you’ve got anything effective. But when you get it right, you can vastly alter the sharpness of break, velocity, and horizontal vs. vertical movement of the ball.

    Just so you know i’m not talking out of my ass, I’ll mention a few examples. One is the knuckle curve, where the middle finger tightly grips the seam where the seams are closest together, the ball is held in the back of the hand, and the index finger presses directly into the ball, rather than laying out across it. This slows the ball down without you having to slow down your arm speed, and gives it a big, loopy break. A good show-me curve. Another is using your index finger on the seam and your middle finger as support where the ring finger usually goes. This, if thrown down and in on a lefty (from a RHP) can have devastating slider-like action, and can be thrown to the lower outside corner as a backdoor breaking ball b/c its movement is limited the further arm-side it is thrown. This pitch is useful because you can get much more horizontal action than you can on a knuckle curve. Still another is the “manual” curve, as I like to call it, where the index and middle fingers grip both sides of the seam, and it is literally spun out of the hand. It can be dangerous to throw because it can be easy to spot for a hitter unless the arm motion and speed mimic that of a fastball perfectly, which is tough to do without compromising the break. It’s useful, though, because it’s the least likely to fly out/sail/break way too early, and it’s the easiest to control. It’s best used when it combines a solid amount of horizontal and vertical break (easy to control because, as i said, it’s a very “manual” feeling pitch), and is thrown so that it looks like it’s going toward the hitter, which automatically compromises the hitters swinging ability because of the initial instinctive coiling reaction that occurs when seeing a pitch come at you. Its main flaw, though, apart from being easy to spot, is that the break is the least sharp on this out of all the pitches, and very few big leaguers succeed throwing a lot of these. David Wells is the only one I can think of who relied on a curve like that. Nevertheless, it’s worth knowing how to do.

    There are similar ways of varying the speed and break on sliders (the slider-cutter range, really) and changeups (straight change-screwball, etc). I could go into them, but I don’t want to bore people any more than I already have :) . The thing to remember is that each and every possible pitch for each pitcher has really one or two ideal locations (except for the 4-seam fastball, which in some cases can be thrown effectively in four or five different spots), and when it comes to developing them, each particular type of pitch combined with a particular location is essentially 1 pitch, so a pitcher’s repertoire is really more often closer to 10-12 true “pitches” than it is 3-4, which is why young starters often take a long time to develop, especially as starting pitchers. A pitch thrown effectively at the MLB level has to be so precise that it takes thousands of repetitions before a pitcher can truly throw it effectively time after time. That’s why young guys with “stuff” that looks so good don’t always turn into K artists right away. They may have honed in the basic techniques for throwing a particular pitch, but have not yet honed the ability to throw it to a location that maximizes its effectiveness, and also have not yet honed the ability to vary its break and velocity.

  36. Bo Knows February 21st, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    More Dorothy Parker

    Excuse my dust.
    (Her proposed epitaph)

    And more

    The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity.

  37. Doreen February 21st, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    A little late to all conversations today. Just finished watching Frost/Nixon. Wow.

    Anyway – Posada – managing.

    He was on Centerstage with Michael Kay last season and Kay asked him about managing. He was somewhat coy, but his wife was positive that after his playing career was done he should manage. That’s a good thing. when the wife i behind it, it makes the decision, when it’s made, much easier.

    That said, I don’t believe he’ll finish playing and start managing or even coaching right away. But I do think it will happen. And I don’t understand how people who have watched the Yankees for these many years can pinhole Posada into a particular personality type. I have seen many Posadas. this is a good thing.

    And as far as managing a team other than the Yankees, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, but I hope he ENDS UP managing the Yankees one day.

    Re: Javy – I like him the first go-round and thought he got a raw deal from fans/media. the year ended badly, no doubt, but you knew something had to have been wrong. He was doing well. But expectations at the time were over the top, because Pettitte and Clemens were gone and it was almost as if he was supposed to replace both of them.

    I’m getting very excited that the season’s gonna be starting soon.

    Unlike most of you, I have to wait to tomorrow to listen to the audio. When I have the house to myself. :lol:

  38. Nick in SF February 21st, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    dave? is it you?

  39. Doreen February 21st, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    @nick in sf -

    LOL!

    No, there’s a couple of paragraphs up there.

  40. pete February 21st, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    GB7: I think Bo Knows was talking about the ’04-’05 offseason, when Javy went of to AZ for Randy Johnson, and because of this, the yanks’ couldn’t afford Beltran, who would have been a perfect replacement for Bernie. Instead, they’ve been trying to find a replacement CF since. Granted, Damon put up good offensive #s 3 out of 4 years, and was a solid defender in center his first year and solid in left his third, but he wasn’t exactly the stud CF they needed.

    Actually that’s not fair. They really didn’t NEED and all-star caliber CF. I just wanted one haha. Having a quality defender out there would have been a big boost, though. But overall, I think if i had to change one move of this decade (obv there are several i would change in hindsight, but if i had to choose one) it would be shipping Javy off. Had the yankees held on to Vazquez, they would have been a much, MUCH better team in the 2nd half of this decade (pre-09). Wang, Moose, Vazquez and Andy was a much better top 4 than the yankees had in any year from ’05-08.

  41. randy l. February 21st, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    nick in sf-

    pete is making progress.

    that was his first post where he just talked about baseball on the field.

    he’s from RAB and i don’t think they do that too often.

    i’m a little puzzled why it took vazquez so long to master adding and subtracting on his curve ball and change up when pete says he had it down in high school, but maybe vazquez qas a slow learner.

    burnett must be a really slow learner because i don’t think he can add and subtract yet, but that’s another story.

    i’ll have to think up some more questions for pete.

    he does have some dave in him.

  42. lets go yankees February 21st, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    If I had to choose one move to change:

    Signing Jason Giambi

  43. Tom in NJ February 21st, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Letting Pettitte go the first time would be mine.

  44. Tom in NJ February 21st, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    But they did get Hughes because of it.

  45. Bo Knows February 21st, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    If I had to choose one move to change:

    Signing Jason Giambi

    ———————————–
    Amen

    followed closely by Sheffield instead of Vladdy

    and the classic
    Arod for ten years.

    Hankensteiner and his daddy.

    It’s been tough to be a Yankee fan. Too much hammer, not enough scalpel.

  46. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    I would think that a little bit of the reason for passing on Pettitte in the winter of ’03 was concerns about the elbow. Although the ’04 injury was because of a check swing in batting practice, I think it might have gone anyway. No way of telling.

    What hurt was not having a replacement for him, Clemens and Wells. All they got was Leiber returning from surgery and Vazquez. That still left them a starter short. The real mistake made was not offering Clemens arbitration, although he was “retiring”.

  47. pat February 21st, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    “It’s been tough to be a Yankee fan.”

    Really?

  48. Tarheelyank February 21st, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    pete is making progress.

    I agree. Nice post pete. And funny nick I did think the same thing.

    I was lucky enough to go to a Carolina baseball game today with my son. One of the relievers for GW was throwing a screwball. It was a nasty pitch, and a good teaching moment.

  49. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    Yeah, just think. Instead of a bum like Rodriguez at third, Yankee fans could be treated to Cody Ransom’s long ball cannonading. Gee…I really miss him.

  50. lets go yankees February 21st, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    Although I said Giambi thinking about it now, letting Pettitte walk may have had the greatest implications. The Yankees problem was not offense, but pitching (The Yankees could have used the money for Giambi towards pitching but I am not sure they would have and I cannot think of a pitcher they could have signed around that time.)

    Like GB said Pettitte got hurt in batting practice in 2004, so maybe he never gets hurt if he stays with the Yankees. And 2005-2006 would have been incredibly helpful come playoff time.

  51. Tarheelyank February 21st, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    I thought the Yankees offered Petite more than he signed for with the Astros. I thought it was more about being “wanted” and going home, than the yankees passing on him. I could be wrong though.

  52. granderson central station February 21st, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    so what are our thoughts about boras possibly screwing over damon for holiday?

    i love this kind of speculation.

    i’m really upset the yanks didn’t sign damon. boras obviously does have conflicts of interest any time he’s trying to sell 2 similar products. but it still doesn’t really explain why the yankees didn’t sign damon at all.

    cash doesn’t make sense. damon’s contract was a good value so why not give him a little extra anyways just as a bonus? for helping them win the ws, etc?

  53. stuckey February 21st, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    “If all the young ladies who attended the Yale prom were laid end to end, no one would be the least surprised.”

  54. Bo Knows February 21st, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    “It’s been tough to be a Yankee fan.”

    Really?

    ————————————–

    I’ve maintained for a long time, “The handicap of being a Yankee fan was George”. Instead of buying good management, they bought “Flash and … (Insert expletive here).

  55. pete February 21st, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    randy: I didn’t say i “had it down in high school”. I said that i understood the processes. I think a lot of pitchers do. The thing is, like i said, the body is much, much, much stupider than the brain. For example, you can know how to play something like Charlie Parker’s “Donna Lee” on guitar in terms of where to put your fingers and where/when to pick each string. Does that mean you can do it? Of course not. I knew what i needed to do, but i didn’t have nearly the time to get to that point. I really wish I had, because it was very frustrating knowing exactly how to improve myself as a pitcher and not having the time (having a fastball that barely touches 86 pretty much excludes you from getting looked at by scouts) to apply that knowledge.

  56. pete February 21st, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    re: the “pete is making progress” posts. So i guess I should just stay off of the sabr side of things over here, huh? That’s certainly doable. It’d make the discourse more pleasant/less frustrating for sure.

  57. jennifer February 21st, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    Granderson. are you serious? They paid him 13 million to help them win the ws. they offered him a fair contract and he turned it down. It is NOT THE YANKEES FAULT THAT HE ISN’T HERE. It is Damon’s fault. I hope he is happy in Detroit. I hope his wife can find somewhere to shop.

  58. Rob NY February 21st, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    GB — Maybe you didn’t you know Cody Ransom can vertically leap 60 inches with only one step. That has to be good for like 145 RBIs right?

    http://ballhype.com/video/cody....._jump_www/

  59. lets go yankees February 21st, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Tarheel,

    The Yankees did offer him more. 7 million more. But IIRC the only reason Pettitte started negotiating with the Astros and considering going there was the Yankees passive approach to resigning him. If the Yankees had taken care of business so to say from the get go I do not think Pettitte even talks to the Astros.

  60. Bo Knows February 21st, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Yeah, just think. Instead of a bum like Rodriguez at third, Yankee fans could be treated to Cody Ransom’s long ball cannonading. Gee…I really miss him.

    ———————————–
    I knew an renowned athlete like you would appreciate Ransom.

    Just think. Last year Jeter wanted to play for ten more years and A Rod with his contract.

    “This could be the start of something….

  61. lets go yankees February 21st, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Also, for anyone that has ever booed Pettitte or has considered booing him this is for you:

    “Boston made an early $52 million, four-year bid, one of the sources said, but Pettitte decided he couldn’t pitch for the Yankees’ rival.”

  62. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    Imagine that? An owner has a team that only wins 6 WS titles in 38 years and 19 PS appearances. He certainly let fans down. Name any other owner that’s pulled that off.

  63. pat February 21st, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    The only handicap I’ve ever felt as a Yankee fan is being lumped in with stereotypical Yankee fans.

  64. Bronx Jeers February 21st, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    This USA-Canada hockey game is incredible.

  65. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Rob NY
    February 21st, 2010 at 9:00 pm
    GB — Maybe you didn’t you know Cody Ransom can vertically leap 60 inches with only one step. That has to be good for like 145 RBIs right?

    http://ballhype.com/video/cody….._jump_www/

    ———————————————————–

    any advanced metrics to back that up?

    j/k. Too hard to resist.

  66. Tarheelyank February 21st, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    LGY
    Finally, we are in total agreement re: Petite. :D

    Were you around last winter? There was some disturbing posts about Andy. I will never understand that.

  67. Bo Knows February 21st, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    Imagine that – the owner gets banned and the flunkies put together a super team. And if he had let them carry on, imagine that.

    The best scouting system in the Majors – if only he hadn’t fired them for being too expensive – just imagine.

  68. Jerkface February 21st, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    So i guess I should just stay off of the sabr side of things over here, huh?

    Don’t let em keep ya down. No need to dumb down the discourse here, just don’t get into 3 day/20 thread long pissing contests with guys who aren’t going to change.

  69. stuckey February 21st, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    “just don’t get into 3 day/20 thread long pissing contests with guys who aren’t going to change.”

    But therein lies the entertainment value…

  70. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    The only one that would missed was Showalter, and he’d still be with NYY if he didn’t think he was so important that he could tell the owner what to do or think that he was more important than everyone else. Showalter’s ego got him fired.

  71. Bo Knows February 21st, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    “If all the young ladies who attended the Yale prom were laid end to end, no one would be the least surprised.”

    ———————————————-
    Damn, you’re starting to become likable. And here I was rummaging in the closet for the jetsam and flotsam of one line snappers.

    There hasn’t been a likely victim for months.

  72. stuckey February 21st, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    That and not believing what he was seeing in Mariano Rivera against Seattle.

  73. Tarheelyank February 21st, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    “I don’t care what is written about me so long as it isn’t true.”

  74. Tom in NJ February 21st, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    This Parker quote sums up the past week here:

    “You can’t teach an old dogma new tricks.”

  75. Bo Knows February 21st, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    “This is not a novel to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force.”

  76. Nick in SF February 21st, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Go Norwegian curling:

    http://vancouver2010.blogs.nyt.....of-argyle/

  77. Tarheelyank February 21st, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    For Pat M

    “”Los Angeles: Seventy-two suburbs in search of a city.”

  78. Bo Knows February 21st, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    This Parker quote sums up the past week here:

    “You can’t teach an old dogma new tricks.”

    —————————————————-

    Damn, I was saving that one for Randy I in a likely moment.

    As part of a two step that he likes to use.

    Sort of hoist him on his own petard.

    Oh well – As George said on being offered a groupie, “No thanks, I like to roll my own”

  79. Nick in SF February 21st, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    Wow, that was some exciting hockey.

  80. Tom in NJ February 21st, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    U-S-A!

    U-S-A!

    U-S-A!

  81. Bronx Jeers February 21st, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    For those who don’t follow the Rangers:

    US Hockey player and NY Ranger captain Chris Drury wears #23 because of Don Mattingly.

    He also pitched his team to victory in the 1989 Little League World Series against Taiwan.

  82. GreenBeret7 February 21st, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    From an article on CBS Sportsline on Robinson Cano:

    He will never be that patient hitter that many Yankee fans clamor for, and will always be the free swinger. Yankee hitting coach Kevin Long has no plans to take away Cano’s aggressiveness.

    “Cano’s approach is what makes him such a dangerous hitter,” Long told me back in early January. “We will not try to change his approach, but will attempt to get him to swing at better pitches that he can drive.”

    Cano is a dangerous hitter, and despite his anemic batting average with runners in scoring position last season (.207), he is a career .256 hitter in that same situation. Cano hit .290 with RISP in 2007 and .306 with RISP in 2006.

  83. Nick in SF February 21st, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    23 is also one of ‘the numbers’ on L :shock: ST and has apparently been assigned to the character Jack.

    Don’t ask.

  84. Tom in NJ February 21st, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    What if Lost is ultimately making a point about human beings’ need for certainty, and their need to invent conspiracy theories to fill the vacuum in places where there is no certainty.

  85. Nick in SF February 21st, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    If that’s the case, they’re going about it very oddly.

    Mostly it’s a show about people.

  86. Bronx Jeers February 21st, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    “What if Lost is ultimately making a point about human beings’ need for certainty, and their need to invent conspiracy theories to fill the vacuum in places where there is no certainty.”

    So you’re saying “Lost” is actually an allegory for sabremetrics?

  87. stuckey February 21st, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    “So you’re saying “Lost” is actually an allegory for sabremetrics?”

    The simple elegance of this is it can be interpreted either way…

  88. Nick in SF February 21st, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Very well played, Bronx Jeers.

  89. Tom in NJ February 21st, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    “Mostly it’s a show about people”

    This is true, Nick.

    My professor friends think that it is some sort of parody of post-modernism.
    We do tend to get, well, lost in the aethstetics of it and sometimes the human element is disregarded.

    I still have a lot of catching up to do-I’m only on season 2 right now.

  90. Nick in SF February 21st, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    Season 2??!!? Wow.

    I have to warn you, you’re going to see something very, very disturbing early in season 3.

    I’ll try to avoid posting spoilers.

  91. Tom in NJ February 21st, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    “I’ll try to avoid posting spoilers”

    you don’t have to do that.

    I fear that it’ll be impossible to avoid any once it’s over.

  92. stuckey February 21st, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    Is it me or when some of us free-thinking progressives aren’t running circles around the geriatric head-in-the-sand, anti-anything-that-isn’t-in-the-boxscore types, does this place grind to a halt???

  93. braeden February 21st, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    baseballfab

    Cashman offered Johnny the best and the highest offer he had this offseason. The ego was Damon/Boras holding out for Abreu money. Damon could’ve told Boras at the start, no matter what He wants to stay with the Yankees, get it done.
    Instead he, his wife dropped ego speak to the press, about all the teams interested in him. n/t
    Cashman didn’t wait for the three stooges Damon,Wife and Boras to come back to earth. He had a team to field, why they were dreaming !!

    The fact that Damon put his family through this nonsense, to settle for less money, proves as Cashman said, he should’ve been a Yankee!!

  94. Nick in SF February 21st, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Tom, I don’t know what you’re doing wasting time here when you should be catching up on Lost.

    Or you could check out the hipster puppies:

    http://hipsterpuppies.tumblr.com/

  95. Rich in NJ February 22nd, 2010 at 1:01 am

    “So you’re saying “Lost” is actually an allegory for sabremetrics?”

    I have never watched an episode, but based on the post you are responding to, I think you have it backwards. In any pursuit of knowledge, the more you know, the more you realize how little you know. That mindset is why we know that the Earth isn’t flat.

  96. BJK February 22nd, 2010 at 1:08 am

    Nick in SF
    February 21st, 2010 at 10:13 pm
    23 is also one of ‘the numbers’ on L ST and has apparently been assigned to the character Jack.

    Don’t ask.

    ————————————————-

    What about Kate…?

  97. Planet Telex February 22nd, 2010 at 1:17 am

    Hey guys

    the news just got spread all over Korea. Chan Ho Park just signed with Yankees for 1.5 million

  98. Nick in SF February 22nd, 2010 at 1:18 am

    I don’t think Kate had a number but she looks good in her L’Oreal commercials:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  99. Nick in SF February 22nd, 2010 at 1:21 am

    how about a link, Planet Telex?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  100. Rich in NJ February 22nd, 2010 at 1:22 am

    Does Korea have links?

  101. Rich in NJ February 22nd, 2010 at 1:22 am

    Nick’s quicker than I am.

  102. Planet Telex February 22nd, 2010 at 1:33 am

    i hope you guys can to read this

    http://news.naver.com/sports/i.....0002083894

  103. Planet Telex February 22nd, 2010 at 1:34 am

    can to read -> can read

    dang it

  104. BJK February 22nd, 2010 at 1:35 am

    Nick in SF
    February 22nd, 2010 at 1:18 am
    I don’t think Kate had a number but she looks good in her L’Oreal commercials:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related

    ——————————————————

    Funny stuff.

    But seriously, why no # for Kate?

  105. Rich in NJ February 22nd, 2010 at 1:39 am

    According to the Google translation, it could be true.

  106. Nick in SF February 22nd, 2010 at 1:43 am

    BJK, the only honest answer I can give is, I don’t know. Maybe she’s just too flaky to be a candidate?

    I found a whole different article which said this:

    ‘Korean Express’ Park (37) New York Yankees baseball team to wear striped uniforms.

    Free Agent (FA) in the Park September 22, Yeoksam-running ‘Park 61 fitness club to open in the press conference “this morning, the Yankees decided to deal with. Terms and conditions 1.2 million U.S. dollars for a 1-year base salary under 300,000 months Federer receives a bonus based on performance, “he said.

  107. BJK February 22nd, 2010 at 1:47 am

    Nick in SF
    February 22nd, 2010 at 1:43 am

    I found a whole different article which said this:

    ‘Korean Express’ Park (37) New York Yankees baseball team to wear striped uniforms.

    Free Agent (FA) in the Park September 22, Yeoksam-running ‘Park 61 fitness club to open in the press conference “this morning, the Yankees decided to deal with. Terms and conditions 1.2 million U.S. dollars for a 1-year base salary under 300,000 months Federer receives a bonus based on performance, “he said.

    —————————————————-

    Wow, sounds like Sarah Palin wrote that article.

  108. BJK February 22nd, 2010 at 1:49 am

    Nick in SF
    February 22nd, 2010 at 1:43 am
    BJK, the only honest answer I can give is, I don’t know. Maybe she’s just too flaky to be a candidate?

    —————————————————-

    I have my theories : )

  109. Nick in SF February 22nd, 2010 at 1:55 am

    Shouldn’t people be tweeting about this Park thing or something? Is Planet Telex breaking this story for the Yankiverse???

    I just went over to RAB to see if anything is up there. Nothing I can see. But I clicked on the comment section since ‘pete’ advertised it as being devoted to highly-advanced discussions.

    The first comment in the open thread was from our own Optimist Rebecca, talking about hockey.

    Further down: “I finally saw The Hurt Locker last night. Holy crap that movie was awesome.”

    Pretty advanced stuff. ;)

  110. BJK February 22nd, 2010 at 1:58 am

    Nick in SF
    February 22nd, 2010 at 1:55 am
    Shouldn’t people be tweeting about this Park thing or something? Is Planet Telex breaking this story for the Yankiverse???

    ——————————————————–

    Personally, I hope it’s not true. I’d find it hard to believe with the Yankees on their budget and all. Why drop that type of cash on a mediocre guy like Park? Spending money on middle relief didn’t sound like something on Cashman’s agenda.

  111. Rich in NJ February 22nd, 2010 at 1:59 am

    There’s a thread at NYYFans.

  112. Nick in SF February 22nd, 2010 at 2:06 am

    Maybe they had $1.5MM in reserve in case Johnny Damon’s price REALLY fell. ;)

    Planet Telex, did you post that to NYYFans too? I notice that the same link is given there that was given here.

  113. Carl February 22nd, 2010 at 3:14 am

    mlb.com is reporting it. nice pick up for the yanks.

  114. Carl February 22nd, 2010 at 3:17 am

    http://www.reuters.com/article.....sportsNews

  115. Carl February 22nd, 2010 at 3:18 am

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....um=twitter

  116. GreenBeret7 February 22nd, 2010 at 3:31 am

    Park a Yankee for 1.2-1.5 mil, 1 year.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

  117. Phillies nation . February 22nd, 2010 at 3:34 am

    Chan Ho Park will be 37 in June, with a career ERA of 4.35.
    Youtube has video of him spitting on the ball, and rubbing it in the ball,gross!

  118. GreenBeret7 February 22nd, 2010 at 3:36 am

    There’s a trade on the horizon….that’s almost a certainty. I’d bet on Mitre and other minor leaguers for a couple of younger prospect.

  119. vey February 22nd, 2010 at 3:36 am

    Chan Ho Park…what happened to the budget?

  120. Carl February 22nd, 2010 at 3:39 am

    Hal said that if they feel they can use a player, he will not mind going over the budget. I posted that many times.

  121. Phillies nation . February 22nd, 2010 at 4:00 am

    Chan ,has had 10 complete games so for, Should more than cover the Bruney trade.

  122. salty buggar February 22nd, 2010 at 4:39 am

    Finally people are accusing Boras of sacrificing Damon for Holliday. Baseball executives are suggesting he held off early negotiations with the Yankees, allowing for the possibility for the Yankees to pursue Holliday. Boras has denied this of course.

    I believe it, and here’s why. Right after Holliday filed for FA. He went on Sirus/XM radio and in his interview said, his 1st choice was the Yankees, and 2nd choice was the Mets. Matt never mentioned the Cardinals, and they bid against themself convinced the Yankees were a mystery team.

    What’s really sad , is Damon thought Boras did a great job, he was sacrificed and didn’t see it!!

  123. m February 22nd, 2010 at 5:36 am

    Chan Ho Park? Do we really need another OF?

  124. Jerkface February 22nd, 2010 at 6:06 am

    Park was a very good reliever, much better than as a starter. This provides us excellent bullpen coverage and might actually let the team send one of hughes/joba to the minors to keep them stretched as a starter which would be great.

    CC
    AJ
    AP
    JV
    Hughes/Joba

    Mo
    Marte
    Robertson
    Park
    Melancon/Albaladejo/SOmeone I might be forgetting
    Logan/Mystery Lefty
    Gaudin/Mitre

  125. Roger February 22nd, 2010 at 6:08 am

    Jerkface

    You’re forgetting Aceves

  126. Jerkface February 22nd, 2010 at 6:13 am

    Yes how could I forget Ace.

    CL Mo
    LSU Marte
    RSU Robertson
    RSU Park
    RSU Aceves
    RMR Melancon/Albaladejo/Someone I’m forgetting
    LMR Logan
    LR Gaudin/Mitre

    Thats an 8 man bullpen without Hughes or Joba, so either they put Aceves back in AAA and lose Logan and the other righty or don’t carry a long reliever,

    or I’d say theres a good chance the loser of the 5th starter spot ends up in scranton. Especially if its Joba. He could probably use some time in the minors anyways he got rushed up so fast.

    This is barring a surprise trade, which i agree is likely.

  127. joeman February 22nd, 2010 at 6:17 am

    thought Joba might drop some weight in the off season ….way it looks he seems to be heavier

  128. Chad Jennings February 22nd, 2010 at 7:44 am

    New post.

  129. Manunited2512 February 22nd, 2010 at 9:46 am

    post

  130. Manunited2512 February 22nd, 2010 at 9:49 am

    I personally believe the Chan Ho Park deal was a great move. Let’s face it, the bullpen last season was very scary at times. If the budget becomes a factor, Hal just needs to send guys like Phil Coke back to the minors. Last season Joba Chamberlain went from a starter back to the bullpen. Even then, Joba was inconsistent and we either on or completely off. Phil Hughes made a name for himself as he began getting guys out towards the end of the season. I personally think that given Parks past, he will provide the Yankees a go to guy that will set up Mariano Rivera this season.


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