Girardi promises to take “the 12 best arms”
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 22, 2010 
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Joe Girardi has this spring said that: 1. He envisions either Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain pitching out of the bullpen rather than the Triple-A rotation, and 2. He would prefer to carry a second left-handed reliever. Add Chan Ho Park to that mix and six of the seven bullpen spots are already filled (Rivera, Marte, Robertson, Park, the second lefty, and Hughes/Chamberlain). Even if the Yankees elect not to carry the second lefty, it seems impossible that the Yankees will have room for all three of Chad Gaudin, Sergio Mitre and Alfredo Aceves, to say nothing of someone like Mark Melancon.
“We’ll make sure that we take what we feel are the 12 best arms,” Girardi said. “Having quality arms in your camp, and more quality arms in spots, is a luxury. It’s just our job to try and make the right decisions.”
The Park signing seems to especially impact Gaudin, Mitre and Aceves because they all serve basically the same role when they’re pitching in relief. I didn’t get a chance to ask Gaudin, but both Mitre and Aceves said they are thinking more about a rotation spot than worrying about a potential bullpen role.
“If I get put in the pen, I guess I have to pitch out of the pen,” Mitre said. “But I’m not shooting for a bullpen role.”
Not that I’m endorsing this, but the Yankees could — in theory – option Aceves back to Triple-A to work out of the rotation, giving the Yankees a sixth starter who’s stretched out and ready to spot start if necessary. Gaudin and Mitre are out of options.
“I was very impressed with Ace’s work last year,” Girardi said. “He was one of the guys we counted on last year, and we expect that to be the same.”
After what seemed to be a strong endorsement, Girardi added: “The thing about it is, every year you have to earn it. Some guys come into camp, you know they’re going with us, but you have to earn it every year.”
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Here’s the Girardi audio. He starts by talking about Jesus Montero, but gets into the situations with the bullpen and with Burnett/Posada. The recording stops when he went looking for which day pitchers start throwing live batting practice. The answer is, Thursday.
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Gaudin or Mitre or both are gone.
FIRST?!?!
KhanArtist and the Lineup
If it means that much to you, delete my post.
Ace gives up too many jacks.
Girardi also amended the two lefties in the pen comment by talking about how good Robertson was against lefties last year.
Barring injury, if he taking 12, its an upset if its not: CC, AJ, Andy, Javy, Phil, Joba, Ace, Gaudin, Robertson, Park, Marte, and Mo.
Given what Chad just posted SJ and I are both going to wind up being right.
Aceves and Mitre may both be gone
Pen:
RHP: Joba, Rivera, Robertson, Gaudin, Park
LHP: Marte, Logan/Ring
Melancon should be part of the staff if his command improvese.
Ring stinks, Chip.
And Chad’s right –
The Yankees could decide that the best option is to send Aceves to AAA.
With all the off days early they aren’t going to need a fifth starter much less 3 long relievers.
I just think that they will never be able to get as much for Aceves as they can now.
I would rather have Aceves or even Gaudin than a crappy lefty. I know lefty’s have value, but I would rather have a good, flexible-known quality than a lefty for the sake of having a lefty.
Of course I’m not as tied to the matchups as much as Girardi is.
SJ4, I agree.
Joba/Chamberlain, Park and Ace, almost all definitely in the pen, can move into the rotation if needed; that makes Gaudin and Mitre the most likely to go.
It makes sense to trade one of Gaudin/Mitre. There is a market for Gaudin but it is preferable to keep him so if a deal can be done for Mitre, make it.
Best 12 arms come North, rotation depth kept and strong bullpen intact.
Sounds to me like Girardi solidified Ace’s spot on the roster.
I don’t see how its interpreted differently.
“Ace was the third most valuable reliever for the Yanks last year. Just saying..”
I don’t see that continuing, but I don’t want to give him away.
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Neither do I but I think Chip is unfairly discounting how valuable Aceves is to this team.
Are they like the Three Tenors?
I’m hearing the same thing SJ.
SJ44,
“I was very impressed with Ace’s work last year,” Girardi said. “He was one of the guys we counted on last year, and we expect that to be the same.”
I think that just about says it all.
At this point, Chip, I think you are grasping at straws.
“I just think that they will never be able to get as much for Aceves as they can now.”
Chip, if he’s good, young(ish), versatile, cheap, cost-controlled for some time, and has options, why would they necessarily want to?
What are you looking to get back BETTER than that for a player with his ceiling?
Selling high is good, when you WANT to sell. Selling high isn’t a virtue in of itself.
Patrick,
I know but, you are preaching to the choir.
Sometimes, chip gets fixated on an idea and no matter how illogical it is, he won’t budge.
The Yankees have a cost controlled, versatile guy, who played a key role for them in the pen last year.
Those guys don’t get traded to keep the likes of Sergio Mitre on your roster.
For Joba in the rotation:
His innings are built up
He has a year of starting under his belt
He was dropdead amazing as as starter in 2008
Hughes was a great reliever
For Hughes in the rotation:
Better starter potential?
Joba was dropdead amazing as a reliever in 2007
Hughes’ innings can be built up if he starts- he can progress
By the way, I’m not saying that moving Aceves would be the Yankees’ first choice.
The first thing they’ll try to do is deal Mitre. They won’t have any luck because who would want Mitre at 850k plus incentives? It was a stupid signing for the Yankees and now they have to live with it.
Choice two will be to look for takers for Gaudin, but again, there won’t be any. Gaudin is a nice player but the teams that need help in their rotation aren’t going to be able to afford to spend 3 mil.
So the Yankees will be left with three options, cut Mitre and eat the 850k (which I don’t think Cashman will do), send Aceves to AAA or deal Aceves while his value is high and hope that the trade nets them a decent prospect.
It’s a numbers’ game and Aceves is likely to be the guy without a chair when the music stops.
Three Sopranos?
I’m sure that Doreen and pat will pledge to stop our bullying.
The bullpen was in shambles at the beginning of 2009 until Ace emerged.
Ace was almost unhittable until some genius had the idea to make him an emergency starter against the Twins on July 9th. He lasted 3.1 innings and was then unavailable out of the bullpen for a big series against the Angels.
The bullpen floundered without him and Aceves was never the same the rest of the season
Aceves ERA thru July 9th 2.49
Aceves ERA at end of season 3.54
If Mitre isn’t one of the 12, and he refuses a minor league assignment, he’ll be traded or released. He’s not worth any of the others. Melancon has plenty of options so there’s no rush. They can get starts out of Gaudin, Park and Aceves, as well as long and short relief. There are too many bad stretches when having those types will pay off big time, such as last April. There are still unknown issues with Hughes/Chamberlain and to a smaller extent, Pettitte. He’s a horse, but, even Secretariat threw an occasional shoe.
m, you can contact me off the board if you’re not comfortable divulging the identities of the three bullies here.
sftweeindieguy@yahoo.com
If anyone is in the vicinity of Bologna, Italy, check out the Two Towers there, they’re pretty sweet. Great town, Bologna.
I am a bully.
Be scared
“So the Yankees will be left with three options, cut Mitre and eat the 850k (which I don’t think Cashman will do)”
Chip, Mitre’s contract is non-guaranteed. This means that if they cut him before the start of the season they only have to pay him 45 days worth of the 850k.
Great town, Bologna
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How can they name a town after such a mediocre sandwich meat?
Part of the problem chip is you make a declarative statement without foundation.
Mitre or Gaudin won’t have takers? Of course they will.
You ALWAYS have takers. Now, you won’t get much for Mitre, probably a lower level prospect. However, you will have takers because everybody needs pitching.
Plus, if he gets cut by a certain date, they only owe him the prorated portion of his deal.
His money is a non-issue. You just can’t grasp that simple fact.
As far as Gaudin is concerned, why deal him? He is probably their 6th starter. You usually need 7-8 over the course of a season.
Gaudin has value to the team. As does Aceves.
Barring injury, Mitre does not.
It ain’t that complicated.
Quote from Girardi before the 2008 season:
“I know he can be an outstanding pitcher. I know he has the ability to strike out people in tough situations. I expect big things from him.”
The player Girardi was talking about there was Kyle Farnsworth.
My point? What’s Girardi going to say? “The guy had a good year last year but come on, Edwar Ramirez had a good year in 2008 it doesn’t mean anything. Heck, Aaron Small once won 10 games.”
It’s idiocy to think that Girardi (or any manager not named Ozzie Guillen) is going to be anything but positive when talking about his players a week into spring training.
GreenBeret7
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:43 pm
Great town, Bologna
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How can they name a town after such a mediocre sandwich meat?
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Clearly you have never folded the bologna in half and made a bologna donut!! GB7, you must brush up on this stuff with young twin grandbabies
How can they name a town after such a mediocre sandwich meat?
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GB, at least it is not Blue Ball, Pennsylvania
Can someone PLEASE acknowledge my 5:38 post that was actually baseball related and contained fact and statistics and not Big Bird????
Melancon has to earn a spot on the team – he should not be given one. I am very skeptical of him after last year; when you have to pull a kid from pitching anymore because he keeps hitting people, that’s a problem
Erica – weren’t you the one who was threatened by the IT police at work? Are you still at the office?
m -
Oh,yeah. I’ll cut back my bullying for sure!
Erica – always OPPC
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:44 pm
GreenBeret7
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:43 pm
Great town, Bologna
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How can they name a town after such a mediocre sandwich meat?
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Clearly you have never folded the bologna in half and made a bologna donut!! GB7, you must brush up on this stuff with young twin grandbabies
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I’d rather eat Cheerios out of the box.
I think I got sick of that stuff when my sister would ketchup and sugar on her’s. Just looking at it would gag a maggot.
I don’t get the idea of trading the best guy just because he’d bring back the most. The idea is to have the best players possible on the roster; take what you can get for Mitre and move on.
Joe from Long Island
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Erica – weren’t you the one who was threatened by the IT police at work? Are you still at the office?
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Yeah… I may have fallen off the bandwagon today
How about some context to that quote.
One was trying to prop up a guy who was having big problems succeeding in NY.
The other was about who he correctly states was an important part of the team last year.
Can you not see the difference?
Only if you stop bullying Erica.
Nick,
They’re not really bullies, just have very strong opinions. NTTAWWT.
Wasn’t it Gene Michael who once said that anyone could be traded; the only question was what you got in return.
I think whomever – Mitre or Gaudin – gets the most innings early on is being showcased. Just my thought.
you would think the mets would be very interested in mitre gaudin or aceves. they have very shaky arms slotted at #’s 2,3 & 4, but they passed on garland, piniero and marquis, so they’ll probably pass on trading for any of those guys.
Tom in NJ
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:45 pm
How can they name a town after such a mediocre sandwich meat?
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GB, at least it is not Blue Ball, Pennsylvania
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Or, this Pennsylvanis town?
http://www.google.com/search?s.....urse%2c+Pa
Clearly, those two towns were not named by Quakers.
Tom, you forgot a comma between ‘bullying’ and ‘Erica’.
Be careful, Erica. The IT police can be very nasty.
I know Nick.
I am still trying to figure out this here phone thing.
Chip -
Kyle Farnsworth, before he was traded, was doing very well – one of the reasons they were able to trade him. In addition, he said one of the reasons for his turn-around was he felt he had the faith of his manager.
I think trading Kyle Farnsworth at that particular time was not a good thing. It messed with the bullpen mojo which had just come together.
m, I’m going to need the names, then you can get on with the backtracking. Or not, since those three bullies can’t read private emails (or at least two of them can’t).
erica you were right about ace but still a half season in the a.l. east with an era of 3.54 (including that start i presume?) is not too shaby.
What they’d get in return for either Aceves or Gaudin isn’t worth what they’d get back. Neither will provide the options that NYYs gets from them. Mitre is an entirely different story. He’s not worth that much and will bring back not that much.
Y – Oh, I agree, but that would require being logical and sensible, two qualities rarely used to describe Mets’ decision-making. Besides, who would the Mets consider trading that the Yankees would realistically want?
theres a very thin line that separtes the bullies from the really pushies….
Aceves ERA thru July 9th 2.49
Aceves ERA at end of season 3.54
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If those arent demotion numbers, i dont know what is. Ace is my foot in the free tickets door! Cant trade him!!
So i come in late to find out they resigned Igawa to a one year contract?
Have you tried cooking the bologna on the stove for a little bit and then eating it? Much better.
Neither ***trade*** will provide the options that NYYs gets from them (Gaudin and Aceves).
Mitre stands the best chance of getting dealt for a minor league position player that could be called up to help if necessary.
Erica,
You used ERA and thus are shunned. I think some of the issue was that there might have been this idea floating around that Aceves had a rubber arm. “Mexican league! He can do anything!” So that spot start did more harm than good.
Why is everyone talking about Ace or Gaudin being the 6th pitcher? Isnt that the consolation prize for Hughes or Joba?
i understand that they wont get much return for aceves or mitre, but they should still take something back instead of just designating them for assignment (cutting them). If they decide to move gaudin, they can opt to pick up half his salary and then they should get a decent minor league prospect in return. Gaudin might end up as the #2 if the mets picked him up.
S.o.S.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:56 pm
Aceves ERA thru July 9th 2.49
Aceves ERA at end of season 3.54
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If those arent demotion numbers, i dont know what is. Ace is my foot in the free tickets door! Cant trade him!!
So i come in late to find out they resigned Igawa to a one year contract?
Have you tried cooking the bologna on the stove for a little bit and then eating it? Much better.
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No, I am turning 30 this year and I still make bologna donuts when I (rarely) eat bologna. And I see nothing wrong with that
“The bullpen floundered without him and Aceves was never the same the rest of the season
Aceves ERA thru July 9th 2.49
Aceves ERA at end of season 3.54″
September ERA – 2.51.
He was the same part of the rest of the season.
Jerkface
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:58 pm
Erica,
You used ERA and thus are shunned. I think some of the issue was that there might have been this idea floating around that Aceves had a rubber arm. “Mexican league! He can do anything!” So that spot start did more harm than good.
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I am very old school when it comes to stats. Mostly because I don’t understand what all of the fuss about sabermetics is about (not that there’s anything wrong with that, is there????)
But yes, that is the argument I was trying to make. Aceves is wonderful out of the bullpen, starter not so much. And that change messed up the roles of the team for a little while. I think we got swept by Anaheim with Aceves unavailable out of the bullpen and the bullpen blew two leads
SJ –
You know what, you’re right – I mean the odds of the Yankees trading Aceves, it’s just looney.
And you’ve always been right about these things – just like you were right that Johnny Damon would obviously be brought back and that the Yankees would have absolutely NO interest in a player like Randy Winn…
I think they should trade Mitre and Igawa for catchers. Find others in the minors to trade for Catchers. Trade for SJ’s nephew and have the league by the hhhhrummm(cant spell in Kasakstan). All the catchers become extinct accept for in the Yankees orginization. Hell, even trade for Nieves. Then start unloading them for Lincecum, Felix and all the other Aces in the league.
how quickly guys forget that Mitre’s last appearence on the mound for us last year were 5 shutout 1 hit innings out of the bullpen with 6ks…..
they can SAY they are going to take the best 12 arms, but we all know that they arent’t going to release chan ho to keep melancon on the team whether he pitches batter in ST or not.
i like the park signing. he was a contributor for the phillies and might turn out the be a very nice addition. it also really heats up the competition for the bullpen. chosing who comes north is going to be very tough, in a good way.
Erica stop bullying the IT folks
Aceves can fetch us two catchers. Not till i get my signed Jeter anything and some Yankees/Anaheim tickets.
Chip if Aceves is traded before April 1 I will buy you a Mexican Sombrero
Patrick
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:07 pm
Erica stop bullying the IT folks
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Nah- I caught the head of IT looking down my sweater last time I saw him. We’re good
And even if that didn’t work, I offered to bribe him and his foot soldiers
Chip
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:03 pm
LOL! Chip, the Yankees tried very hard to bring Damon back, but he played them and lost out. Cash stated they wanted Damon but his demands were incredible.
I can’t speak for SJ, but I like the Winn deal. I would find it very hard to believe the Yanks would trade Ace, although I couldn’t believe they let Mendoza go years ago as well!!
m is for McCarthyism?
Nick,
Oh. I won’t be e-mailing you to talk about others on the board. But I’ll keep your addy in case I need some info for “entertainment purposes only”.
Sexual Harrassment is my favorite kind of Harrassment.
S.o.S.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:08 pm
Aceves can fetch us two catchers. Not till i get my signed Jeter anything and some Yankees/Anaheim tickets.
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You finally asked for some tickets???
Thank God, nobody remembers the July starts or the 9 earned runs in 4.1 innings or the 7 earned runs in 5 innings in the two September starts. Thank the Lord for short memories.
I think Mitre has a reality check coming his way. He’s worried about getting put in the bullpen instead of the rotation? Considering we have Park now, Mitre will be extremely lucky to make the team in any capacity. He is by far the worst pitcher out of the candidates to make the top 12. It’s not even close.
Patrick
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:08 pm
Chip if Aceves is traded before April 1 I will buy you a Mexican Sombrero
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Go with the Urban Sombrero. It combines the spirit of old Mexico with a little big city panache.
Nah- I caught the head of IT looking down my sweater last time I saw him. We’re good
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It wouldnt have been when you dropped the Damon bobble head doll and went down to pick it up, would it? One word. Turtle neck.
champ809
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:06 pm
how quickly guys forget that Mitre’s last appearence on the mound for us last year were 5 shutout 1 hit innings out of the bullpen with 6ks…..
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I wouldn’t be making remarks about short memories if I were you. I just gave you 5 other games by Mitre that are best forgotten.
Erin,
Im waiting for the season to get under way. Its a bit premature at this moment. The guy hasnt even broken a sweat yet. On second thought, maybe i should make that call. With the Lohud rumor mill swirling, he might be playing for the Braves or Pirates by April.
S.o.S.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:14 pm
Nah- I caught the head of IT looking down my sweater last time I saw him. We’re good
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It wouldnt have been when you dropped the Damon bobble head doll and went down to pick it up, would it? One word.
***Turtle neck****
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One word? I demand a recount.
SJ44 = Harlem Globetrotters.
Chip = Washington Generals.
S.o.S.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:17 pm
Erin,
Im waiting for the season to get under way. Its a bit premature at this moment. The guy hasnt even broken a sweat yet. On second thought, maybe i should make that call. With the Lohud rumor mill swirling, he might be playing for the Braves or Pirates by April.
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LOL True…you never know
“I won’t be e-mailing you to talk about others on the board”
Are you above such a thing???
I don’t see what the big deal is with carrying more than one long reliever type. I can having both Park and Ace and Guadin in AAA as a 6th starter. The loser of the Hughes/Joba battle would not be able to be stretched out fast enough to serve as a 6th starter.
Patrick –
I’m not really a hat person, but I’ll take it.
Ray -
I’m just mocking SJ for a couple of other things he chastised me for suggesting on this board. Ah those were the good old days, when SJ would tell everyone how crazy I was for even suggesting that Randy Winn might end up in pinstripes…he was almost as certain about that as he is now about Aceves. And, oh the humor, when I look back fondly to the days where SJ’s “sources” with Scott Boras told him that Damon’s signing with the Yankees was as good as done.
Nick in SF
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:21 pm
“I won’t be e-mailing you to talk about others on the board”
Are you above such a thing???
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I certainly would never do such a thing either
One word? I demand a recount.
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You only see what your mind wants you to see. Optical illusion. Turtleneck. A florida recount confirmed it.
Chip,
you really want to keep a running score?
You named 20 below average guys the Yankees should sign. Getting Winn right was after you whiffed on 19 other predictions.
Anybody can do that.
The discussion today was about why it’s flawed logic Aceves is trade material. You think otherwise? It’s not a big deal.
S.o.S.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:22 pm
One word? I demand a recount.
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You only see what your mind wants you to see. Optical illusion. Turtleneck. A florida recount confirmed it.
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For the record, I haven’t worn a turtleneck since the 8th grade
Erin, you just gave Joquin Andujar’s answer to baseball. When asked to describe what baseball to him: “I can describe baseball in one word, ‘You never know’”.
Erica,
I’m almost certain he’s being sarcastic.
I liked Mitre. The guy had incredibly bad luck and was also coming back from an injury/surgery. only going to improve, imo…
Erin, you
slight mistake…Erica
If Chip is right about Aceves, I’ll go out and get a big carne asada burrito.
Whats up with these behind the scenes lohud email secrecy thingies and how come i wasnt invited?
Nick,
Looking at a fox top ranked college players. COLT isnt even in the top 50. Who’s the idiot that comes up with this. Bradford and Cluasin is in the top 5.
I never said Damon’s signing with the Yankees was, “as good as done”.
I said, verified by Cashman, that the Yankees prioritized Damon and made him the largest offer in the marketplace.
I never guaranteed he would come back.
Try being accurate once in a while. People will actually take your opinions more seriously if you do.
The only bad luck that I saw with Mitre was that he had to pitch on the days the other team decided to hit.
It’s always amazing to me how there are people who can remember past conversations on this blog. I mostly can’t. I can remember generalities, but as far as who said what about this or that? Silly.
Besides, people’s opinions are allowed to change, based on circumstances, or maybe (as with me) sometimes you just think about things and change your mind. It’s really not a crime. I like to think it’s the sign of an intelligent person who’s open to new ideas.
GreenBeret7
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:26 pm
Erin, you just gave Joquin Andujar’s answer to baseball. When asked to describe what baseball to him: “I can describe baseball in one word, ‘You never know’”.
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LOL I had never heard that before! I like it.
S.o.S.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Whats up with these behind the scenes lohud email secrecy thingies and how come i wasnt invited?
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Don’t worry-I wasn’t invited either.
Chip
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:21 pm
I usually enjoy your posts & SJ & Patricks & Randy & Doreen & m & Waves & Erica & Erin & GB & …., but the combating leaves me wishing we were discussing ideas moreso than bickering. LOL!
I don’t live in a dream world, and a lot of my posts have been taken the wrong way as well. (I’m a STAT guy, who believes 50% or more is based on scouting with the eyes. LOL!)
In other words Chip you have a lot more to offer than bickering.
Erin, he was a funny guy. Always had something to say to everyone, but never mean…just funny. A lot like a Latin Nick Swisher. damned fine pitcher, though.
I hope it’s not Mitre they trade.
I’ve been waiting to see that ERA dip under 6.00 for a long time.
GreenBeret7
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:26 pm
Erin, you just gave Joquin Andujar’s answer to baseball. When asked to describe what baseball to him: “I can describe baseball in one word, ‘You never know’”.
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or “you can’t predict baseball”
Its a good thign Erin and I are the same person
Erin
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:31 pm
S.o.S.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Whats up with these behind the scenes lohud email secrecy thingies and how come i wasnt invited?
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Don’t worry-I wasn’t invited either.
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I don’t know your e-mail address silly girl
For the record, I haven’t worn a turtleneck since the 8th grade
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Now im embarrassed. Im wearing one as i speak. I never got the memo.
GreenBeret7
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:29 pm
Don’t you think Mitre had a catcher problem? Perhaps he would have done better with Molina full-time! LOL!
I’m surprised Girardi is planning on only thirteen position players. He has to carry a pinch runner for Johnson, a righty pinch hitter for Granderson and a pinch hitter who can hit breaking ball pitchers wouldn’t hurt for Swisher. You’ll probably need to pinch hit for Cervelli when he plays plus Gardner\Winn is also a pinch hitter waiting to happen.
S.o.S., Erin, you’re both free to write if you want to tell me who the Three Bullies are — I won’t hold it against you.
Erica – always OPPC
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:33 pm
GreenBeret7
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:26 pm
Erin, you just gave Joquin Andujar’s answer to baseball. When asked to describe what baseball to him: “I can describe baseball in one word, ‘You never know’”.
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or “you can’t predict baseball”
Its a good thign Erin and I are the same person
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i think the “eyes” confused me.
lol at the image of SoS wearing his Peyton Manning turtleneck in the California desert.
Ouch!
Crawford hopes to stay with the Rays, but also noted that “you go [to free agency] to be paid like the guys playing against you.”
via mlbtr
Erica – always OPPC
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:34 pm
Erin
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:31 pm
S.o.S.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Whats up with these behind the scenes lohud email secrecy thingies and how come i wasnt invited?
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Don’t worry-I wasn’t invited either.
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I don’t know your e-mail address silly girl
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LOL I didn’t know you wanted it!
RayVT
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:35 pm
GreenBeret7
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:29 pm
Don’t you think Mitre had a catcher problem? Perhaps he would have done better with Molina full-time! LOL!
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I’m not sure Molina would have helped. There were too many times when the only job Molina had was to ask the umpire for a new ball.
Rumor has it that Girardi went to the mound in the first inning and asked Molina what kind of stuff Mitre had. Molina supposedly said, “I don’t know. I haven’t caught one yet.”
Old joke but still funny.
Nick in SF
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:36 pm
S.o.S., Erin, you’re both free to write if you want to tell me who the Three Bullies are — I won’t hold it against you.
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I would Nick, but I have no idea who the Three Bullies are.
It’s always amazing to me how there are people who can remember past conversations on this blog. I mostly can’t. I can remember generalities, but as far as who said what about this or that? Silly.
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Doreen,
I concur. I cant remember my flip flopping discussions. But you cant deny not remembering the closet space conversations. Speaking of closet space. We are moving back to our home city. Smaller house, smaller closets. Im not sure where im going to find room for my turtlenecks after my wife invades my closet space.
GreenBeret7
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:41 pm
LOL!
S.o.S.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:34 pm
For the record, I haven’t worn a turtleneck since the 8th grade
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Now im embarrassed. Im wearing one as i speak. I never got the memo.
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Is it a Colts turtleneck???
SJ44 = Georgia Tech.
Chip = Cumberland University.
lol at the image of SoS wearing his Peyton Manning turtleneck in the California desert.
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Real funny mel. It was the Brady line that i was wearing. Peyton doesnt need turtlenecks in domes. Duhhh.. BTW, we are having a global warming year in SoCal. I am freezing my king kongs this winter. Or im just getting older and my bones are getting brittle.
Damon is being interviewed on MLB right now. Pretty good interview.
what i remember most about andujar was when he went ballistic and got thrown out of game 7 of the 85 world series. (after throwing 2 pitches)
Is it a Colts turtleneck???
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lol. Fellas… Im at work and take pride in being a professional at what i do. Cant be wearing pick up game gear while meeting customers. I do wear a colts tie though.
GB
I caught Ken Clay (ex-Yankee) in a HS preseason game once & Danny Murtaugh came up to talk with me after the game.
I had gone 5-5 with a HR & picked off 2 runners & threw a runner out at 2B. Well, when I was told Danny wanted to talk with me my head started to swell. LOL! When I talked with Danny, he asked me when Kenny threw his fastball did it move up or down. LOL! I said down. LOL! (But there was one game I caught him & he hit the backstop with several pitches about 10 feet up the screen (40 feet behind home plate!). LOL! He would try to put a little extra on the ball. BTW, Kenny never lost a game from Little League all the way thru his Sr yr in HS. Great arm!!
Nick,
THIS JUST IN!! The 3 bullies started out as generation trey.
More later on this late breaking story.
“I don’t know. I haven’t caught one yet.”
Old joke but still funny.
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I heard that one from Yogi on the radio once.
Another one from him and I can’t remember the specifics but it was something about a guy who was 3 for 3, all doubles.
A new pitcher comes in to face him and asks Yogi “What’s this guy like”
Of course Yogi answers ” He likes hittin doubles”
S.o.S.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:48 pm
Is it a Colts turtleneck???
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lol. Fellas… Im at work and take pride in being a professional at what i do. Cant be wearing pick up game gear while meeting customers. I do wear a colts tie though.
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You know I had to ask
If I had been a 20 game winner for the Cards in 1984 and Herzog had told me to mop up in the 7th game of an 11-0 blowout, I might be a little argumentative with everyone, too.
I had gone 5-5 with a HR & picked off 2 runners & threw a runner out at 2B.
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Ray,
Damn! I will put that with my Al Bundy moments list. That might top the 2 grand slams in one little league game i had(9 ribis out of 12 runs. Game winning bases loaded walk 12-11 win). Impressive my friend. The sad part about my Bundy moment is i didnt get the game ball. I got the ball the game prior and they made sure all kids got one. Its not enough that everyone gets trophies.
BTW, would that be 3 runners thrown out?
RayVT
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:49 pm
GB
I caught Ken Clay (ex-Yankee) in a HS preseason game once & Danny Murtaugh came up to talk with me after the game.
I had gone 5-5 with a HR & picked off 2 runners & threw a runner out at 2B. Well, when I was told Danny wanted to talk with me my head started to swell. LOL! When I talked with Danny, he asked me when Kenny threw his fastball did it move up or down. LOL! I said down. LOL! (But there was one game I caught him & he hit the backstop with several pitches about 10 feet up the screen (40 feet behind home plate!). LOL! He would try to put a little extra on the ball. BTW, Kenny never lost a game from Little League all the way thru his Sr yr in HS. Great arm!!
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That’s a great story, Ray. You’re the star and Murtaugh wants to talk about the pitcher. LMAO. Maybe Danny just wanted to make sure that Pittsburgh drafted you, so, kept things quiet.
I know. Clay had some great stuff, but, for the life of me, I have no idea what happened to him. He certainly came up big in the 1977 WS and the ’78 series with KC. Any idea why he just collapsed so quick? A lot of talent, though.
S.O.S. -
I most certainly do recall the closet chronicles!
Good luck with the move.
Just saw Cano at Miami’s airport. Talked to him on the train from customs, cool guy. I told him I’m going to miss the MelkMan and he said he will also, we’re both on a connecting flight to Tampa in an hour
tampayank
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:11 pm
Just saw Cano at Miami’s airport. Talked to him on the train from customs, cool guy. I told him I’m going to miss the MelkMan and he said he will also, we’re both on a connecting flight to Tampa in an hour
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That blur we all just saw was Erin running towards you
For those who never tire of Manny being Manny-
The Manny himself says he will not be returning to LA next year
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns
Aceves’ ERA tells me nothing about how well the guy pitched.
Yes, no doubt about the headlines on the national news tonight. “Terrorism has struck the Miami airport: An unidentified mad woman attacked and mauled an unsuspecting customer and stole his ticket to Tampa. She was last seen skipping and giggling her way to the plane.”
tampayank
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:11 pm
Just saw Cano at Miami’s airport. Talked to him on the train from customs, cool guy. I told him I’m going to miss the MelkMan and he said he will also, we’re both on a connecting flight to Tampa in an hour
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OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am so incredibly jealous! I want more details-what was he wearing??
Erica – always OPPC
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:13 pm
tampayank
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:11 pm
Just saw Cano at Miami’s airport. Talked to him on the train from customs, cool guy. I told him I’m going to miss the MelkMan and he said he will also, we’re both on a connecting flight to Tampa in an hour
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That blur we all just saw was Erin running towards you
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I’ve never wanted to be at the Miami airport more in my life!
GB-
“An unidentified mad woman attacked and mauled an unsuspecting customer and stole his ticket to Tampa. She was last seen skipping and giggling her way to the plane.”
It was further reported that ” identification was made impossible due to the black ski mask she was wearing.”
Some observers later reported ” She looked and acted like a Ninja”
MTU
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:25 pm
GB-
“An unidentified mad woman attacked and mauled an unsuspecting customer and stole his ticket to Tampa. She was last seen skipping and giggling her way to the plane.”
It was further reported that ” identification was made impossible due to the black ski mask she was wearing.”
Some observers later reported ” She looked and acted like a Ninja”
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The only identifying clue was the sound of a high-pitched squeal of, “Robbie…yohooo, Robbie”.
GB-
“The only identifying clue was the sound of a high-pitched squeal of, “Robbie…yohooo, Robbie”.
I forgot to mention that important clue.
Well, thanks to Tampayank, the board will have some fun tonight. Poor tampayank, though. All night long it will be, “Tampa…what did he say? Then what did you say? Then what did he say? Then what….oh Heck. who cares what you said. What did he say? Did he ask about me? Did he? Did he?”
For God’s sake and yours, Tampayank..you’d better lie and tell her that’s all Robbie talked about. Erin this and Erin that.
I’m only happy that Erin’s arms are too short to reach through my monitior and strangle me.
Chip,
I do give you credit for calling the Randy Winn thing even though most on here including myself completely dismissed it.
However, to be fair you did also throw out about 14,000 other guys the Yankees could sign or trade for. Chances were you were going to be right about one of them.
GreenBeret7
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:22 pm
Yes, no doubt about the headlines on the national news tonight. “Terrorism has struck the Miami airport: An unidentified mad woman attacked and mauled an unsuspecting customer and stole his ticket to Tampa. She was last seen skipping and giggling her way to the plane.”
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LOL
The sad part is, that sounds like something I would do! If only I was closer to Miami!
MTU
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:25 pm
GB-
“An unidentified mad woman attacked and mauled an unsuspecting customer and stole his ticket to Tampa. She was last seen skipping and giggling her way to the plane.”
It was further reported that ” identification was made impossible due to the black ski mask she was wearing.”
Some observers later reported ” She looked and acted like a Ninja”
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You guys know me too well.
GreenBeret7
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:35 pm
I’m only happy that Erin’s arms are too short to reach through my monitior and strangle me.
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No worries, GB. I was cracking up.
There are 3 major problems with the trading Ace thing.
1. Sergio Mitre is not too expensive to trade. The guy makes 850K and is capable of being a number 5 starter on a lot of teams. Anytime you can slot someone into your rotation that makes less than 1 million dollars at least one team will be interested. Sergio Mitre, LAST YEAR when he started only 9 games was worth $800,000 according to fangraphs. You will get basically nothing in return for him, but someone would take him off your hands at that price.
2. Aceves is no guarantee to be able to hold down a starting spot in anyone’s rotation. You can say that other teams may look at him as a 4 or 5 starter and pay (in prospects) according to what a 4 or 5 starter would cost, but he simply has not done that yet at the big league level. Even counting his career in Mexico his innings high for a season is 145. Who knows if he could handle a full season pitching against the big boys.
On the trade market Aceves is an above average middle reliever and maybe swingman.
3. Aceves will net you more than Gaudin or Mitre, but still it will not be anything. You are not going to get any decent prospect in return. If you think you are getting a low level guy with high upside like Arodys Vizcaino you are crazy. Guys like Aceves are not pitchers that teams trade prospects for. Your best case scenario would probably be the rights to Jamie Hoffman, and that simply is not a good trade at all.
Erin
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:41 pm
GreenBeret7
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:35 pm
I’m only happy that Erin’s arms are too short to reach through my monitior and strangle me.
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No worries, GB. I was cracking up.
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Nobody could be mean to you, erin. You’re one of the board sweethearts.
Boone Logan is not a bad pitcher. He just desperately needed to get away from the White Sox.
If people think the Yankees screwed Joba up you need to look up the career Logan has had.
Leaving work. Night for now!
m
Who did I bully? Truth be told, I’ve typed many a post and deleted it to keep the peace.
GreenBeret7
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:51 pm
Erin
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:41 pm
GreenBeret7
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:35 pm
I’m only happy that Erin’s arms are too short to reach through my monitior and strangle me.
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No worries, GB. I was cracking up.
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Nobody could be mean to you, erin. You’re one of the board sweethearts.
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Awww…thanks GB!
GB-
And let’s not forget our double E gals share the common bond of “unrequited” Love.
We must treat them w. extra TLC because of it.
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pat -
I think she was kidding. m? I thought you were kidding. ?
Except for one episode last summer, I have done what you do pat – type something and delete it. Gets it out of the system, but doesn’t hurt anyone.
Could be