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Three things about Robinson Cano

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc, Podcast on Feb 23, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

1. His manager likes his Gold Glove chances.
“You talk about plays to the right, I don’t know if I’ve ever seen anyone make them better than him,” Joe Girardi said. “His ability to throw the ball on the money when he’s not looking and how he gets the ball, we were very pleased with his defense.”

Girardi said he finds it “hard to believe” anyone played a better second base last season, but he said Jim Leyland probably feels the same way about Placido Polanco.

2. He misses his friend Melky Cabrera.
“I was sad, I’m not going to lie, because he’s my buddy,” Cano said “Hanging out all the time and we go to dinner together, we are always around and it’s a good time. (I told him to) go there, keep your head up and keep playing the game hard. You never know what’s going to happen. He might be back, who knows?”

As for Cabrera’s reaction to the trade: “I spoke to him right after,” Cano said. “I can’t say he was good. He was OK. He didn’t want to be traded, but he said there’s nothing he could do.”

3. He wants to be better with runners in scoring position.
“That’s one of the things I’m going to work on with men on base, be patient and swing at a ball that I can drive,” Cano said.

Cano hit just .207 with runners in scoring position last year, but Girardi wasn’t upset with his approach in those situations. “There was a streak when he had made about 10 or 11 outs in a row with runners in scoring position, and he hit nine bullets,” Girardi said. “Over the long term that usually irons itself out, but when you don’t have 600,000 at-bats, it doesn’t iron out. His at-bats, a lot of times were very good with runners in scoring position. I didn’t think he had a lot of luck last year”

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275 Responses to “Three things about Robinson Cano”

  1. Rich in NJ February 23rd, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Cano is another player that advanced fielding metrics tend to undervalue, but he wasn’t the best defensive 2B last season, not that I fault Girardi for talking up his own player.

  2. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 23rd, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    I like Cano, but I have questions about him. He needs to be able to hit higher than 6th – it’s a shame that such a good hitter has to be restricted to the bottom of the order. I hope he’ll be ok without Melky, but I admit that I don’t know that for sure.

  3. rodg12 February 23rd, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Really hope he takes the next step offensively this year like he did defensively last year. If he does, our line-up just becomes even better and deeper!!

  4. Doreen February 23rd, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Oh, man. Now I’m even more sad about Melky leaving…

    :(

    I am a Robby Cano fan. He’s had his struggles, but it seems to me, he is more than willing to put in the work to fix things.

  5. Erin February 23rd, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    Best Post Ever!! Great stuff Chad. This makes up for Daylife not getting any pictures of him today!

  6. Jose February 23rd, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    I agree with the others. Although I am 2 hours from Tampa, I still would like updates throughout the day. Chad’s doing great, but Pete spoiled us.

    I guess you could compare it to your ex giving up the goods 4 times a day and only getting it twice with your new girlfriend. :(

  7. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 23rd, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Erin, when did you become so into Cano?

  8. Frank February 23rd, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Cano really is good to his right. Like Girardi, I don’t pretend to see other guys enough to say “my guy’s a Gold Glover”. It’s a stupid award with minimal validity anyway so I don’t care if Cano ever gets one. Hes been very good though.

    Sad to read that Christian Garcia is again suffering from elbow woes.

  9. SJ44 February 23rd, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Mark me down as someone who thinks Cano puts it all together this year and has a huge season.

    I know we can cherrypick stats to death.

    However, he was horrible with RISP last year and he knows it.

    Instead of making excuses and rationalizing it, he has worked his butt off this off-season. That’s a sign of maturity.

    I think he will eventually be the #5 hitter in the lineup this year.

    He improved by leaps and bounds in the focus area last year.

    I expect the same level of improvement this year.

  10. pat February 23rd, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    “Oh, man. Now I’m even more sad about Melky leaving…”

    Me too. Robbie lost Wang too this year who was his bud.

  11. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 23rd, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    You can get your fill of Pete at his blog on the Boston Globe if you like. Chad/Sam and Josh are doing a great job.

  12. Jerkface February 23rd, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    When LOHUD instituted its ‘Every female poster has to gush over a specific player’ policy.

  13. S.o.S. February 23rd, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    I would have asked Cano “when are going to go to the next level and get your uniform dirty?” Kibler does.

  14. Erin February 23rd, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Betsy – Romine wasn’t built in a day
    February 23rd, 2010 at 3:55 pm
    Erin, when did you become so into Cano?

    *****************
    Pretty much from the day he made his debut with the Yankees. I tried to hide my obsession when I first started posting, but it was impossible. :)

  15. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 23rd, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Cano definitely worked hard – I can not take that away from him. He’s a good kid and so talented; there’s just no reason for him to struggle the way he did with RISP OR in the #5 spot. He still has to earn a jump in the lineup, but I sure hope he gets it because he’d be perfect there. Also, I think he has a wonderful smile and I’m glad he enjoys playing the game.

    Garcia is hurt again? I’m sorry for him, but I can’t say as it comes as a surprise. He’s not ever going to be anyone you can count on and I have to think the Yankees feel that way as well.

  16. SJ44 February 23rd, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    One thing that doesn’t get talked about re: this team.

    There isn’t the pressure on it that they had last year.

    Last year exorcised a lot of demons.

    Arod’s “clutchness”, can Posada come back, can CC pitch in the post-season, can they win another WS, can Girardi make the necessary changes to be the right guy for this job, etc.

    All that is gone.

    Its a whole lot easier to play in NY without all that to deal with.

    I suspect this team is very comfortable in its own shoes.

    That, coupled with the talent additions, makes them a very dangerous club if good health remains in place.

  17. Jose February 23rd, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Betsy, just in case you didn’t know…Pete actually writes about the Red Sox. As a Yankee fan, why would I ever go to the Globe to get my fix?

    You can’t possibly tell me that the blog is updated as frequently as Pete did. I dare anyone to challenge that.

    And that doesn’t mean Chad, Sam and Josh aren’t doing a great job. They are. But face the facts.

  18. Erica - always OPPC February 23rd, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Chad-

    Quit sucking up to Erin with Robbie Cano posts!

  19. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 23rd, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Erin, good job – I had no idea, lol. I don’t bother trying to hide my feelings because I can’t do it – I’m a type A, wear-my-heart-out-on-my-sleeve type of girl………

  20. GreenBeret7 February 23rd, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Betsy – Romine wasn’t built in a day
    February 23rd, 2010 at 3:46 pm
    Alex-haters haven’t stoppped hating, they are just now too intimidated to hate on him publicly because they know they’d look like stooges. Anyone who determines that a player is worthy to be liked or disliked based on the obtainment of a ring betrays his or lack of knowledge of sports. Should Alex be grateful to fans who no longer boo him? I hardly think so – I suppose they think they’re doing him a favor.

    ————————————————————

    Betsy, Rodriguez will get no pardon from the governors….only a stay of execution.

  21. S.o.S. February 23rd, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Sad to read that Christian Garcia is again suffering from elbow woes.

    ======

    That really sucks. I was looking forward to checking his stats this year and seeing what everyone raved about him right from very start. Hows Brackman health wise these days? Is this the make or break year for him?

  22. upstate kate February 23rd, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Jerkface
    do we get to pick who to gush over, or is it assigned?

  23. Jerkface February 23rd, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    You can’t possibly tell me that the blog is updated as frequently as Pete did. I dare anyone to challenge that.

    Oh no, now we won’t know when the next springsteen concert is :(

    Its you! You are the worst poster!

  24. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 23rd, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Jose, my point is that I think it’s tiresome for people to complain about the pictures, or the # of times Sam and co. post per day. There are other options out there for people who aren’t happy here. Face the facts? I don’t need to. I don’t care that Pete may have updated his blog 25 times a day – I don’t care how many times a day the blog gets updated, to be honest.

  25. Jerkface February 23rd, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    do we get to pick who to gush over, or is it assigned?

    You’re allowed to pick, but too many gushers on 1 player could lead to an overgushening, and its recommended to spread the love.

    The only rule is that 75% of your comments must mention the player. Though some people side step this rule by including them in their name.

  26. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 23rd, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    GB, that’s very true………but as long as he doesn’t care, then it doesn’t matter.

  27. Erin February 23rd, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Erica – always OPPC
    February 23rd, 2010 at 4:01 pm
    Chad-

    Quit sucking up to Erin with Robbie Cano posts!

    **********************
    LOL

    You’re just jealous that there won’t be any more Johnny Damon posts. ;)

  28. Rich in NJ February 23rd, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    I stopped checking this blog out before Chad and Sam took over. The A-Rod obsession made it unreadable.

  29. kd February 23rd, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    I agree with SJ re. the team demons.

    I also think CC will be a better pitcher this year. he’s used to ny and comfortable in pinstripes.

    also, tex in year 2 can be more of a leader.

    all good things going forward.

  30. Erica - always OPPC February 23rd, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    Erin-

    Pretty much :-)

  31. Rich in NJ February 23rd, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    Can someone link the Garcia thing?

  32. Zach February 23rd, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    Melky ! Did it HAVE to be MELKY to Atlanta!!??? Poor Cano

  33. SJ44 February 23rd, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    Betsy,

    Garcia is the cautionary tale of why its very tough to get too giddy about prospects, regardless of talent, at the lower levels.

    So much can happen between A Ball and the majors to guys.

    Health and stalled performance make it one, big crapshoot.

    When healthy, Garcia has one of the best arms in the organization. The problem is, he’s never healthy.

    At some point, teams can only wait so long before moving on.

    Its why GM’s will trade knowns for unknowns at the lower levels every time.

    That’s why Vizcaino is sacrificed for Vasquez.

    Its too tough to project guys 4 years away from the majors with any real certainty. Too much happens on the road to the majors.

  34. Carl February 23rd, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    wow Rizzuto could really turn a nice double play

  35. Jose February 23rd, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    There are other options out there for people who aren’t happy here.

    ——-

    Betsy, you’re exactly right! There are other options. When Pete was at the helm, this blog was the best option and I didn’t have to go elsewhere. See my point? You of all people (judging by the countless posts and hours you spend on here) should understand this.

  36. saucY February 23rd, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    i honestly thought Pete and Chad/Sam update at about the same rate…

  37. upstate kate February 23rd, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Jerkface
    that made me truly LOL, my co-workers are looking at me wondering what is so funny.

  38. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 23rd, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    SJ, I think that’s true. Granted, much of the time the pitching was lousy, but there seemed to have been a black cloud over the Yankees in recent post-season appearances. Normally hugely clutch players like Jeter struggled and it just seemed the Yankees weren’t a very happy bunch. This whole group is like a breath of fresh air. I remember AJ saying last March that, as soon as he signed, the Yankees history became HIS history (so that the fact that he may have helped them out of the playoff race in 2008 by pitching so well against them sort of bothered him). I get the idea that all the newcomers felt something similar. We aren’t two weeks into ST and there have already been at least 5 articles written about “camp quiet”, lol.

  39. GreenBeret7 February 23rd, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    I guess that I’m one of the few that have little to no concerns about Cano’s hitting with RISP. He hit about 5 points beneath his season average in 2008 and .306 and .290 the two seasons prior. Was it too because Lohudders and the media didn’t have enough to whine about, forget how to hit or just too many liners at the fielders?

  40. Jerkface February 23rd, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Chad and Sam spend less time with pointless updates and generally update a post when a lot of information has come in, rather than just slapping 4 line blog posts up.

  41. saucY February 23rd, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    and Jerkface is my new favorite poster! :lol: :)

  42. SJ44 February 23rd, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    I don’t understand the complaints about the blog.

    Sam and Chad are doing a great job.

    Aside from Sam and Chad not injecting as many personal observations as Pete, they are doing a great job.

    There aren’t a lot of stories yet in camp. They haven’t even had their first, full team workout yet.

    There is no reason to update it 10 times a day.

    They had a tough act to follow and they have done a very solid job keeping the blog rolling.

    Is it perfect? No blog is perfect.

    This one especially get overrun by trolls, impersonators and morons from time to time and I would like to see them do something about that because it takes away from the quality of the blog.

    Aside from that, its as good a Yankee blog as there is in the marketplace.

  43. Wave Your Hat February 23rd, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    I don’t know where Sam/Chad rank on the Updates Over Replacement Blogger stat, but I’m pretty sure their UORB is higher than Pete Abe’s UORB.

  44. Pat M. February 23rd, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    Cono will have his break out season in 2010, and finally put to rest all the nitpicking bs….He’ll also move into the 5 hole, with CF Granderson hitting 2nd…..

  45. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 23rd, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Jerkface, that’s hilarious. Also, you can gush over two players – but anything more than that is just plain obsession.

    Jose, I’m just saying that these guys are doing us a favor and it’s hard to complain when someone’s doing you a favor.

    SJ, that’s true….I guess that’s why many fans don’t get attached to prospects. I have to be careful of doing that myself, but it’s not easy. Aside from Wang, the Yankees hadn’t developed a SP since Andy. A few years ago, we were all picturing Joba and Phil anchoring the rotation. Now? They’re still young, but nothing has gone as planned. It’s frustrating, I admit it. I feel badly for any athlete whose career is body betrays them……

  46. Tom in NJ February 23rd, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Rich-

    Here’s the only thing I could find:

    C. Garcia has a tender elbow: The Newark Star-Ledger reports that Yankees SP Christian Garcia did not throw Tuesday because of a tender elbow.
    (Updated 02/23/2010).

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/p.....654383/rss

  47. Erica - always OPPC February 23rd, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    Jerkface
    February 23rd, 2010 at 4:04 pm
    do we get to pick who to gush over, or is it assigned?

    You’re allowed to pick, but too many gushers on 1 player could lead to an overgushening, and its recommended to spread the love.

    The only rule is that 75% of your comments must mention the player. Though some people side step this rule by including them in their name.

    *****************

    Just out of curiousity am I still considered a part of this rule??

  48. Phil the Thrill February 23rd, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    I think Cano is gonna have a huge age 27 season, where his OBP is over .360 and he slugs over 30 bombs.

  49. Rich in NJ February 23rd, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    Thanks, Tom.

  50. S.o.S. February 23rd, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    UORB.

    ========

    Hmmm and here i thought it was all about the wins and loss record.

  51. Chip February 23rd, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    My concern about Cano is the mental lapses he seems to go through.

    When things are going well for him it looks as if he’s effortless – the easy swing, the casual way he glides to the ball things like that. But at the same time when things aren’t going well those same effortless movements make him look lazy.

    SJ It’s New York, it’s the Yankees – there’s always pressure on this team. They may have exorcised some personal demons but that doesn’t put the team at ease.

    If the team struggles questions will be asked about whether they made too many changes (Matsui and Damon for Johnson and Granderson). About whether or not Girardi is managing for his job, about whether or not the “core four” have reached the end of the line…

  52. Erica - always OPPC February 23rd, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    Wave Your Hat
    February 23rd, 2010 at 4:15 pm
    I don’t know where Sam/Chad rank on the Updates Over Replacement Blogger stat, but I’m pretty sure their UORB is higher than Pete Abe’s UORB.

    ****************

    I hope this isn’t viewed as a knock against Pete, but I always thought it was quality over quanity. Anyone can make 50 blog entries a day- but you may lose some relevency/importance

    I think Sam, Chad and Josh (when he appears) have been doing a great job with the blog

  53. Bronx Jeers February 23rd, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    I never bought into that UORB malarkey.

    Just gibe me good old PPD (posts per day) and I’ ll be the judge if all the nouns and verbs make any sense.

  54. SJ44 February 23rd, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    I’m a big believer in adding some new parts to a championship team.

    In particular, guys who haven’t won yet. It keeps people hungry.

    When you see guys who haven’t won busting it, it serves as additional motivation to get those guys rings.

    Especially guys who have good reps in the game as Granderson, Johnson and Vasquez have among their peers.

  55. Jose February 23rd, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    Betsy, I’m pretty sure they aren’t doing this as a “favor” and that part of their compensation package is their contribution to the blog. Let’s face it, given the bleak outlook of smaller newspapers, I can’t even imagine this paper would even have a beat writer if it wasn’t for the blog. Props to them for adapting to the times.

    It’s not a favor if you’re getting paid for it. Sorry.

  56. GreenBeret7 February 23rd, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    Jose/Joe/Pete jr.: Over the last two years or so, more than half of The Bearded Wonder’s subjects were either about Springteen, the Pat-Riots, digs and slams at Rodriguez or the Steinbrenners, stupid remarks about Berroa’s age. Of course there were those trumpeting how much better off the Yankees were going to be with Cody Ransom playing third base. Is this the quality and number of posts that you miss?

  57. YankeeRay February 23rd, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    SJ, why do you think Cano hits 5th this season? I think we need a little power there and I don’t like Posada there because when he sits we have to slide someone to protect Arod.
    I personally think that the top 5 should be locked in except for an occasional day off.
    I also think Granderson should be in the 2 hole with his speed and if NJ makes contact he would be a good 5 hitter. He may not possess the power but he would be batting a lot with runners on base where a single or double would provide plenty of RBI’s.
    Jeter
    Granderson
    Tex
    Arod
    Johnson
    Posada
    Cano
    Swisher
    Gardner

    Mixes up L/R bats which we like to do and maximizes speed up top. Thoughts?

  58. Rich in NJ February 23rd, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    “I’m a big believer in adding some new parts to a championship team.

    In particular, guys who haven’t won yet. It keeps people hungry.”

    In particular, I prefer to see at least one rookie integrated into a ML roster every year for those reasons.

  59. Tom in NJ February 23rd, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    Yup, this place was so much better when Pete would say things like ‘The Yankees are better off with Ransom at 3rd over Alex.’

    I miss those astute, unbiased truths.

  60. NYY626 February 23rd, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    You’re allowed to pick, but too many gushers on 1 player could lead to an overgushening, and its recommended to spread the love.
    ____________________________________________________________
    So then I was smart to pick Andy as my “gushee”, since during the season I really only focus on him every 5th day (unless he does something totally adorable on a non-pitching day like cracking up in the duggout after Joba’s belly flop)

  61. tampayank February 23rd, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    I already covered Cano’s thoughts on Melky via mobile last night ;)

  62. Pat M. February 23rd, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    SJ, When I came over here from Replacememnt Level Yankees ( too much Algebra over there ), The LoHud was and still is the best Yankee Blog there is…..The new Trio has done a great job in transitioning from Pete to their style without much of a noticable change…I remember back in Septemeber several of us were exchanging e-mail addresses because there was concern that a sweeping radical change was instore for us…Gladly that didn’t occur….I do know some real good bloggers are gone, and I hope it’s only a result of the calendar and not all the bs that has infultrated the site at times…….I welecome the new wave approach to the game within reason and sound logic…..Lately it gets carried away as the ”it’s all or nothing approach ” is contfrataional to say the least……CB brings balalnce on both fronts…..

  63. Chip February 23rd, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    As awful as Cano was with runners on last year I don’t think there’s anyway he breaks camp in the 5th spot.

    My pick for that spot would be Granderson but I think Joe is more likely to go with Posada…at least to start the season.

    I don’t think it will be set in stone though and Joe will be willing to move parts around as the season progresses.

  64. SJ44 February 23rd, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Fans get more caught up in that than the team does these days.

    That’s one big change from last year.

    These guys don’t have the same pressure as last year.

    Look at Arod. At this time last year, people HATED him.

    Now, a completely different deal.

    There will always be scrutiny on the Yankees. However, there isn’t anything close to the pressure on this team that there was last year.

    That’s the beauty of winning.

    It changes the atmosphere where everything is not so larger than life. As it was last year.

  65. Erin February 23rd, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    tampayank
    February 23rd, 2010 at 4:26 pm
    I already covered Cano’s thoughts on Melky via mobile last night

    ****************************
    there you are!!

    OK, flight details-were you anywhere near him on the plane??

  66. GreenBeret7 February 23rd, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    Chip
    February 23rd, 2010 at 4:20 pm
    My concern about Cano is the mental lapses he seems to go through.

    When things are going well for him it looks as if he’s effortless – the easy swing, the casual way he glides to the ball things like that. But at the same time when things aren’t going well those same effortless movements make him look lazy.

    ————————————————————

    How many players do you know that look smooth an effortless when things are going badly? If the were smooth and effortless, they wouldn’t be having trouble.

  67. Chip February 23rd, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Rich –

    I think that the best evidence for why championship teams need to change players year after year is the early 2000′s Yankees. If you don’t bring in young players then your team is going to get old all at once.

  68. Fritz Farckle February 23rd, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    The ’52 World Series in on MLB – TV.
    Yanks getting ready for a 4-peat. 20 year old Mickey Mantle’s HR and RBI single are featured.

  69. GreenBeret7 February 23rd, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Rich in NJ
    February 23rd, 2010 at 4:25 pm
    “I’m a big believer in adding some new parts to a championship team.

    In particular, guys who haven’t won yet. It keeps people hungry.”

    In particular, I prefer to see at least one rookie integrated into a ML roster every year for those reasons.

    ————————————————————

    which top of the line talent should NYY unload first? Rodriguez, Jeter, Posada, Cano, Rivera? Where are these “better” rookie replacements coming for? Wal-Marts having a sale on them this week?

  70. Sam Borden February 23rd, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    Hey all, a few things:

    1. Glad to see some talk about Cano. I, too, just have a feeling about him this season. Is there value in having a good buddy like Melky on the team? For sure. But I think there may be some extra motivation for Cano without Cabrera around – almost a “more time to work hard” sort of thing. The RISP thing, too, is such a small sample size that I’m not ready to label him forever awful in those situations.

    2. Everyone has their own style with covering a team and/or handling a blog. Chad and I are (obviously) different people than Pete and bring our own approach, and that includes how often we update. Even between the two of us there will be differences – I’m headed to Florida in not too long and I’m sure my style will be slightly different than Chad’s. It’s just who we are. The bottom line is that we’re going to bring you the news and insights and scenes as quickly as possible, and do what we can to facilitate good dialog on the team. Whatever the approach, that’s always the goal.

  71. SJ44 February 23rd, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    Ray,

    Cano is a 25+ HR, 100+ RBI, 40+ doubles, .300+ hitter when he is right. He would be a MONSTER in the #5 spot if he can get over his RISP issues.

    He also doesn’t strike out a lot and doesn’t hit into a lot of DP’s. All positives from that spot in the order.

    When he’s right, he hits the ball to all fields and is very difficult to pitch to.

    If you have him batting 5th (which I believe will happen at some point into the season) and he produces, the lineup is beastly.

    Posada won’t play everyday since he is catching. I would prefer he hit 6th, between Cano and Grandeson.

    To start, I’d go: Jeter, Johnson, Tex, Arod, Cano, Posada, Granderson, Swisher and Gardner.

    It will be interesting to see Girardi mix and match this spring as he tries to find the best lineup.

  72. Jerkface February 23rd, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Just out of curiousity am I still considered a part of this rule??

    Please report to the detention center for re-gushening

  73. Erica - always OPPC February 23rd, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    Jerkface
    February 23rd, 2010 at 4:36 pm
    Just out of curiousity am I still considered a part of this rule??

    Please report to the detention center for re-gushening

    *****************

    No. My gushing days are over for now. Until I find a player that I feel that same pretend spark with, I remain gushless

  74. SJ44 February 23rd, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    Pat M,

    Speaking of good poster, where has Rebecca been? Do you know?

    I think I still have her email address. I know she has mine. I hope she is doing well.

    We have to exchange email addresses this year.

    If Tony is in the Futures Game in Anaheim, I’ll be on the West Coast in July. We need to hook up.

    I’m off to Vegas and Tampa for the next 10 days.

    Let exchange addresses when I get back.

  75. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 23rd, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    The suffocating pressure from not having won in “so long” must have affected the clubhouse in some way (though, to be fair, most teams would have killed to have “failed” the way the Yankees failed as most teams do not make the playoffs).

    I like bringing new faces in and I do like working in a rookie or two. The vets truly accepted the Penas and Cervellis of the world, right away – and that was really nice to see. When these kids become veterans, they are going to treat youngsters the way they were treated and that can only be a good thing.

  76. S.o.S. February 23rd, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    Heres what my lineup would look like.

    Jeter
    Johnson
    Granderson
    Alex
    Tex
    Posada
    Cano
    Swish
    Winn

  77. GreenBeret7 February 23rd, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Sam/Chad/Josh: No mention has been made by the media about whether Cabrera might have been moved in the trade in order to break him and Cano up, has there. There have repeated references about their social lives and I was wondering if that might have been part of the issue?

  78. J9D February 23rd, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    This blog improved significantly after the transition. Best to Pete but it’s hard to understand how folks can argue a decrease in quality.

  79. lets go yankees February 23rd, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    Curtis Granderson had a .327 OBP last year. Most including me expect a bounce back especially leaving Comerica so lets say he bounces back to the .355-.360 level.

    NJ had a .426 OBP last year. Hitting in what is one the best if not the best spots to hit in baseball I actually expect him to best that .426 number. But to be fair lets go with .420 (his average OBP from 2009, 2006, and 2005–3 most recent years he played roughly a full season).

    Whatever speed Granderson contributes by being in the 2 hole is not going to overcome a 60 point difference in OBP.

  80. Pat M. February 23rd, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    SJ, I’ve told that I’m too obsessed about Nick’s speed in the 2 hole…That being said, I’m still hign on Curtis hitting behind Jeter….No dp’s, line drive in the air type stick……The other issue with Johgnson, is that if he is indeed hitting 2nd, he’s not going to be pitched with such elevated concerns as he was in his previous stps…..Pitchers are going to go right at him, can he handle this with his K ratio ??? Curis racked up whiffs last season, however I think he’ll have a different approach when he digs in in 2010….Speed in invaluable, especially when the heart of the order is right behind you….

  81. tampayank February 23rd, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    “Erin February 23rd, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    tampayank
    February 23rd, 2010 at 4:26 pm
    I already covered Cano’s thoughts on Melky via mobile last night

    ****************************
    there you are!!

    OK, flight details-were you anywhere near him on the plane??”

    not much else, I was sitting in the back of the plane but one thing that sort of surprised me considering all the Yanks fans that are everywhere is that after we were on the same train from customs to the gate waiting area for the Tampa flight that no one really noticed or said anything to him but me ha…other than the short conversation on the way to the gate I left him alone…he was just playing on his Iphone till boarding time.

  82. GreenBeret7 February 23rd, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    SJ, i like your line-up, though I’m not so sure that having Granderson hitting behind the plowhorse known as Posada is good. It gives a more speed near the bottom, but, seems like it might choke off Granderson’s base running and affect his doubles and triples.

  83. Jerkface February 23rd, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    I like Curtis 6th because having a lineup of

    Jeter , Johnson , Tex , A-rod , Cano , Granderson , Posada , Swisher, Gardner

    Means the Gardner->Granderson section of the lineup has only slow spot and Johnson is faster than posada and a better base runner anyways. Not to mention he will be on base a bunch.

    Its also a potential 4 .400 OBP type players infront of Cano, et al.

  84. Melkman is in Hotlanta February 23rd, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    “Arod’s “clutchness”, can Posada come back, can CC pitch in the post-season, can they win another WS, can Girardi make the necessary changes to be the right guy for this job, etc”

    You don’t think any of these issues will be under closer scrutiny since they bought a championship last year? Next year will be a beauty when Mariano asks for 18 million a year and Jeter innocently requests 25 mill/year. It just keeps getting better.

  85. Pat M. February 23rd, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    SJ We’ll get together in Anaheim, you can book on that ….Nick in SF, I think can be in town as well…..

  86. SJ44 February 23rd, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    I don’t like Cano and Granderson back to back because it makes them susceptible to lefty specialists late in games.

    Pat M,

    You may see Joe G go with Granderson in the 2 hole against righties and Nick in the 2 hole against lefties.

    The beauty is, he has options.

  87. Erin February 23rd, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    tampayank
    February 23rd, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    not much else, I was sitting in the back of the plane but one thing that sort of surprised me considering all the Yanks fans that are everywhere is that after we were on the same train from customs to the gate waiting area for the Tampa flight that no one really noticed or said anything to him but me ha…other than the short conversation on the way to the gate I left him alone…he was just playing on his Iphone till boarding time.

    *****************
    Thanks Tampayank! I’m still jealous you were on the same flight! That is strange that no one else said anything to him-maybe no one besides you recognized him?

  88. tampayank February 23rd, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    I’m worried about Posada dropping off at the plate….there were stretches last season where I thought he was toast

  89. SJ44 February 23rd, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    You are going to have to troll better than that to get a rise out of anybody here. That’s third grade trolling. Try harder.

    Pat M,

    That would make for some outing! Let Nick know about it and hopefully Tony does his part and he is in Anaheim for the game.

  90. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 23rd, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Isn’t it a waste putting Granderson in the 2 hole against righties? He’s got good power…….why not use it in the middle of the lineup?

  91. GreenBeret7 February 23rd, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    I might put granderson in the #2 spot and give him untill the middle of May and then reevaluate. If it’s not working, flip Granderson and Johnson.

  92. Doreen February 23rd, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    SJ44 -

    Rebecca still updates her own blog, and she “hangs out” over at RAB.

  93. Melkman is in Hotlanta February 23rd, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Here’s the correct batting order:

    Jeter
    Johnson
    Tex
    Aroid
    Cano
    Swish (New batting stance improves hitting)
    Granderson
    Posada (decline inevitable)
    Gardy

  94. Wave Your Hat February 23rd, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Sorry I just can’t see not using NJ in the 2 hole. CG’s power is more important than his speed, you have to use him where he can drive in the most runs.

    NJ is an on-base god, you just have to get him up before the boppers to come close to maximizing his usefulness, down in the lineup he’s just a move the order along guy.

    Bat CG 5th against righties, drop him down against the weaker lefties and don’t play him against the tough lefties until he starts to hit some lefties, is my thinking.

  95. Jerkface February 23rd, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Pitchers are going to go right at him, can he handle this with his K ratio ??? Curis racked up whiffs last season, however I think he’ll have a different approach when he digs in in 2010

    Johnson is a much better fastball hitter than Damon, and the 2 spot for the yankees saw the 4th most fastballs in the league. I think he’ll be fine with pitchers attacking him. Not to mention just saying that a pitcher is going to attack him doesn’t mean they will be successful. Putting such a hard AB right before Tex and A-rod could thoroughly tire a pitcher and force him to use more of his pitches.

    Granderson is good against fastballs too, and with his speed I am sure Girardi will tinker with him in the 2 spot vs righties, but Johnson seems tailored for the position.

    ALso keep in mind Johnson has a higher contact rate for his career than Granderson, 5% higher overall. And he swings less outside of the zone. (7% less)

  96. Pat M. February 23rd, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    SJ, Options are good, and now the club is deep with options……I leave messages for Rebecca at the Yankees Purist site….She was unfairly hasseled earlier this month…..She is an big attribute to this blog

  97. Chip February 23rd, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    GreenBeret7
    February 23rd, 2010 at 4:29 pm
    Chip
    February 23rd, 2010 at 4:20 pm
    My concern about Cano is the mental lapses he seems to go through.

    When things are going well for him it looks as if he’s effortless – the easy swing, the casual way he glides to the ball things like that. But at the same time when things aren’t going well those same effortless movements make him look lazy.

    ————————————————————

    How many players do you know that look smooth an effortless when things are going badly? If the were smooth and effortless, they wouldn’t be having trouble.
    —————————–

    GB – my point is that it’s a double-edged sword. When he’s going well it looks as if the game comes to him effortlessly, when he’s struggling the same easy motions make it look as if he’s not busting it. Met fans have the same complaint with Jose Reyes.

  98. Benny Blanco February 23rd, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    SJ, quick question.

    Do you think Arod has a monster season this year?

    Do you think Joba or phil has to potential to be just as good as greinke? Thanks in advance.

  99. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 23rd, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    As a continuing plug to myself and a direct hit on one of the former NT Times Yankee fan big mouths who would declare black whenever I said white, I called Robby a future GG as soon as I saw him play. The know-it-all, on the other hand, said that Robby’s defensive skills were average at best and he would never be a great 2B.

    I think Robby is one of the best 2B in the majors today, if not the best. I don’t need a season in particular, nor a compilation of stats to tell me that. A pair of working eyes is a really good way to figure this stuff out. I have always tended to look at the big picture and don’t get mired down in things like a bad AB or several less-than-stellar games in the field when making a determination of a player’s skills. Robby, both at bat and in the field, has the makings of a star. We certainly haven’t seen the best of him yet, and we’ve seen some incredible stuff.

    *****************

    SJ, last season when you said that neither Damon nor Matsui would be re-signed, were you coming from your own perspective on how the Yankees valued the players or was it on “inside information”? I’m curious because you ended up being right, albeit by default on Damon.

  100. Chip February 23rd, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Chip
    February 23rd, 2010 at 4:54 pm
    GreenBeret7
    February 23rd, 2010 at 4:29 pm
    Chip
    February 23rd, 2010 at 4:20 pm
    My concern about Cano is the mental lapses he seems to go through.

    When things are going well for him it looks as if he’s effortless – the easy swing, the casual way he glides to the ball things like that. But at the same time when things aren’t going well those same effortless movements make him look lazy.

    ————————————————————

    How many players do you know that look smooth an effortless when things are going badly? If the were smooth and effortless, they wouldn’t be having trouble.
    —————————–

    GB – my point is that it’s a double-edged sword. When he’s going well it looks as if the game comes to him effortlessly, when he’s struggling the same easy motions make it look as if he’s not busting it. Met fans have the same complaint with Jose Reyes.
    ————

    The mental lapses comment was not related to the comment about his ease of motion. One was a concern, the other was an observation.

  101. Benny Blanco February 23rd, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    * has the potential to be (sorry for the typo).

  102. Jerkface February 23rd, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Neither Hughes nor Chamberlain has the kind of arsenal and mastery over it that Greinke does. The only thing that holds Greinke back is his mental disorder.

  103. Ipucoe February 23rd, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    With all the times the Braves play the Mets, they’ll have plenty of time to see each other.

  104. Benny Blanco February 23rd, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    They have some nice pics of yankees on daylife.com fyi

  105. tk February 23rd, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    “He hit about 5 points beneath his season average in 2008″

    The difference is a lot more pronounced though if you compare his #’s with the bases empty vs. RISP: AVG-.291 vs. .263 OPS-.799 vs. .653. The difference was even greater in 2009: AVG-.376 vs. .209 OBP-.407 vs. .242 OPS-1.017 vs. .574 With RISP Cano had 38 hits and 22 SO. So while I agree that luck plays an important factor when you start splitting single season data and that Cano has all of the tools necessary to perform at an elite level in 2010, I must say that this 2-year trend does give me some cause for concern.

    OTOH, his 2009 triple slash with the bases empty shows just how massive his potential is .376/.407/.609 and that if all else fails he could be moved to the top of the order.

  106. blake February 23rd, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    I’m really excited about cano in 2010. He’s at the age when many big leaguers start putting it together and he has top 10 talent. I would love it if he could step up into the #5 hitter role. He took a big step defensively last last, all that’s left between him and MVP candidancy is a little better pitch selection and a little better approach with RISP. You know you’ve got a good team when a talent like that is often an afterthought when you think about the Yankees.

  107. Benny Blanco February 23rd, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Jerkface
    February 23rd, 2010 at 4:56 pm
    Neither Hughes nor Chamberlain has the kind of arsenal and mastery over it that Greinke does. The only thing that holds Greinke back is his mental disorder.
    ===============================================

    I agree, i’m just speculating on their potential.

  108. Wave Your Hat February 23rd, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    “OTOH, his 2009 triple slash with the bases empty shows just how massive his potential is .376/.407/.609 and that if all else fails he could be moved to the top of the order.”

    I actually proposed this last summer – bat Cano leadoff on the “if you can’t beat them join them theory”!

  109. Melkman is in Hotlanta February 23rd, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    “The know-it-all, on the other hand, said that Robby’s defensive skills were average at best and he would never be a great 2B.”

    It sounds like Broadway Danny Rose got a ding in his little ego.

  110. Pat M. February 23rd, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    I’m not going to argue vs. some very valid points about Nick in the 2 hole…All I’m saying is that he & Texeria are going to be 2 hits from scoring, they are very slow…Late in the game, Johnson on base is going to be an issue at times…I can see stop signs at 3rd in crutial times….Or he gets lifted for a pitch runner……However, as SJ pointed out, Giradi has great flexibilty this season…..Winn, Gardner, Thames

  111. SJ44 February 23rd, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    My nephew worked out with Arod for several days this off-season at the University of Miami. He said he looked great.

    He is moving well and was really crushing the ball.

    If he stays healthy, I think he is going to have a huge season. His mind is clear and he feels better physically than he has in a long time.

    The post-season was just the appetizer.

    I don’t get in the game of comparing young pitchers to other young pitchers. Too much can happen along the way.

    Look at what Zach Greinke had to go through to get to where he is today. I wouldn’t wish that on anybody. Talk about a tough road!

    I hope Phil and Joba reach their full potential, whatever that may end up being.

    I’m not as fixated as others on permanent roles for either guy right now. I just want to see them healthy, performing to their expected levels of performance, and helping the team win.

    If they do that, Yankee fans should be very happy.

  112. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 23rd, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    Sam – you guys rock. Seriously, this forum has been a much kinder and gentler place since you all took over. There’s still the baseball excitement/discussion/disgreement, but for the most part it’s on a much less contentious basis.

    We get all the updates we need, and more.

    Anyway who has difficulty with the way this blog is run under your tutelage is welcome to meet me under the Paul O’Neill banner!

    :)

  113. Jerkface February 23rd, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    I agree, i’m just speculating on their potential.

    I think it is highly unlikely that Hughes or Chamberlain puts up a season like Greinke did last year. Chamberlain will never have the command, and Hughes won’t have the pitches.

    I see Hughes and Joba best case as being guys who will throw down a few high 2 ERA seasons and spend their time between 3 and 4 ERAs.

    Greinke has a more varied set of pitches than Joba, with Hughes impeccable command of all of them. 9.50 K/9 , 2 BB/9 last season, .43 HR/9. Guy owns.

  114. Don'cha Know? February 23rd, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Cano’s seen the power spike that is expected of good young hitters when they reach age 26 – 27. He jumped from a career high of 19 to 25 last year. He’s going into his sixth season at age 27…I think this is the year he takes over as the best hitting 2b in the AL – if not all of MLB. He’s capable of an .320 / 35 / 110 MVP kind of campaign.

    Consider this: Cano hit 7th most of the year last year – and hit HORRIBLY with RISP – and STILL had 85 RBI.

    I think SJ has it right when he says Cano will wind up the #5 hitter and this lineup will be amazing. If we stay healthy, this is a lineup that can threaten 1000 runs.

  115. blake February 23rd, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Pat M,
    I think Granderson in the 2 hole also against righties also. I like his ability to do damage and make things happen on the bases more than I like Johnson’s OBP there. Jeter and Granderson would create havok in front of tex and Arod. Any way Girardi fills it out should be plenty good though.

  116. Brian M February 23rd, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    Am I right in thinking that Polanco is moving to 3rd this year?

  117. Jerkface February 23rd, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    Polanco is the Phillies third baseman.

  118. Pat M. February 23rd, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    Jerkface, That last post is worth clipping and saving….We’ll revisit that in a few years when your time to eat crow rolls around…..2012 would be about right

  119. Melkman is in Hotlanta February 23rd, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Winning doesn’t change the fact that ARoid retains an on the field advantage due to the lingering effects of PEDS in his body in concert with his consistant baseball specific workouts. It’s conceivable that he has maintained 10% of the effect the PED’s provided him. A great role model indeed!!!!!!!!!!!

  120. SJ44 February 23rd, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Trisha,

    I knew the Yankees were too concerned about Matsui’s knees to bring him back. It was very sensitive thing because they really, really like him and didn’t want to tick off an entire country, Japan, where Matsui is Michael Jordan.

    However, the belief inside the organization was they were fearful his knees wouldn’t hold up much longer.

    He is still bothered by the knees when he reported to ST with the Angels. Its a chronic thing and I wish him the best. He’s a great guy.

    Damon? I posted that the Yankees wanted him back but, at THEIR price, not his and that wasn’t going to be up for negotiation.

    Honestly, they did want him back.

    They still have a hard time understanding what he and Boras were thinking.

    Klapisch wrote today that through backchannels the Yankees have heard that Damon has told people he should have taken the Yankees 2/14 offer.

    That’s true. He has told mutual friends, and some former teammates with the Yankees, he messed up.

    Its one of those headscratching negotiations that a lot of people have a hard time understanding.

  121. Jerkface February 23rd, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Jerkface, That last post is worth clipping and saving….We’ll revisit that in a few years when your time to eat crow rolls around…..2012 would be about right

    Let me get this straight, you’re saying that Hughes or Chamberlain is going to throw a SUB 2.50 ERA season in 2012?
    Do you mean for the AL central Indians when we trade Joba for Shin Soo Choo?

    I don’t know how much crow I’d have to eat when I said they are capable of high 2 ERA seasons, thats probably more than optimistic.

  122. Bronx Jeers February 23rd, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    Cano made some sick throws from the middle of the diamond last season.

    And sometimes his elbow barely leaves his side. The guy must have wrists like an Oklahoma farm boy.

    He should try hockey. I bet you he’s got a wicked wrist shot.

  123. tk February 23rd, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    “I actually proposed this last summer – bat Cano leadoff on the “if you can’t beat them join them theory”!”

    This should be an important year for Cano, if he overcomes this issue he’ll probably become a mainstay at #5. However, if he repeats 2009 (definitely a successful year overall) that will make 3 consecutive years that he has struggled greatly with men on base and should necessitate something like this to avoid squandering his value.

  124. Melkman is in Hotlanta February 23rd, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    How much were NY market endorsement contracts worth for Damon? He won’t be able to replicate that value in Detroit. Maybe he should have a new agent. sK you know anybody that will take him as a client?

  125. Pat M. February 23rd, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Jerjface, Phillip Hughes will be entrenched as the Yanks # 2 starter by the 2112 season and will have established himself as one of the premier pitchers in baseball…..Now it’s very easy and safe to dispute my bold comment, however I’m on record, and I’ve been on record about him for quite some time now……

  126. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 23rd, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Pat M, I think 2012 is too early for Phil, but (forget Greinke for a moment) I would be very disappointed if Jerkface turns out to be right with those #s. That said, the time really is now. He’s not a baby, so if he doesn’t get cracking in the rotation in the next couple of years, I’m not sure he’ll ever get the chance to live up to his potential.

  127. Jerkface February 23rd, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Greinke was unstoppable in 2009

    2.16 ERA 33 GS 6 CG 3 SHO 229.1 IP 242 K
    9.50 K/9 2.00 BB/9 0.43 HR/9 1.07 WHIP

    .313 BABIP (not lucky)
    2.33 FIP
    Nearly a 25% whiff rate
    62% first pitch strikes

    Greinke is a beast.

    If Hughes or Chamberlain does that I’ll eat all the crow anyone can bring.

  128. Wave Your Hat February 23rd, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Let’s all cry for Damon and his $8MM. What a fate. Life sure can be cruel. Can we all move on now?

  129. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 23rd, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Hi Pat M! I’ve really been enjoying the Olympics and letting baseball life unfold on the side. I’ll be back to enjoy it when it’s in full swing. In the meantime, I trust the Yankees to do the right thing. :)

    When you’re talking to SJ, you might ask him what caused him to decide that neither Matsui nor Damon would be back this year. I notice that when I call him on something he got wrong (or right for the wrong reason), he seems not to see my post! Another question to ask him is whether he believed the offer to Torre was sincere on the part of the Yankees. I don’t know whether or not he did, but you can tell him the reason I’m curious about that is because he seems to be taking the Yankees at their word about wanting Damon back (he points to it continually). I would think then he would have felt the offer to Torre was totally sincere since the Yankees went on record saying it was!

    :)

    Thanks!

    By the way, the Yankees are on their way to Number 28. I hope that fans can enjoy it as it happens. That could mean, however, that they won’t go 162-0 in the process, and it could also mean that they might lose several games in a row and it could mean that various players are going to have bad games. All of that is normal in the course of a season and never reason to abandon hope or want to send players to Siberia!

    Just a definitely useless pre-emptive strike on my part. But I like saying it anyway, just because I like speaking the truth!

    :)

  130. Jerkface February 23rd, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    would be very disappointed if Jerkface turns out to be right with those #s.

    You’d be disappointed with numbers that would make Phil one of the top 15 pitchers in the league?

  131. Melkman is in Hotlanta February 23rd, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    “Phillip Hughes will be entrenched as the Yanks # 2 starter by the 2112 season and will have established himself as one of the premier pitchers in baseball”

    Does he have the toughness to become the #2 starter?

  132. Pat M. February 23rd, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    Betsy, He’s a star just waiting to shine…..There’s a large segement of baseball scouts and players who fell the same way, he’s the real deal…..

  133. GreenBeret7 February 23rd, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    GB – my point is that it’s a double-edged sword. When he’s going well it looks as if the game comes to him effortlessly, when he’s struggling the same easy motions make it look as if he’s not busting it. Met fans have the same complaint with Jose Reyes

    ————————————————————

    It’s rather stupid to worry about how a player looks as long as he does his job, don’t you think? If it’s appearences is all that concerns you, it probably carries over to other aspects of your life. Makes you a rather shallow human being in my opinion.

  134. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 23rd, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    Jerkface, I said nothing about comparing Phil to Greinke.

  135. GreenBeret7 February 23rd, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    Don’cha Know?
    February 23rd, 2010 at 5:03 pm
    Cano’s seen the power spike that is expected of good young hitters when they reach age 26 – 27. He jumped from a career high of 19 to 25 last year. He’s going into his sixth season at age 27…I think this is the year he takes over as the best hitting 2b in the AL – if not all of MLB. He’s capable of an .320 / 35 / 110 MVP kind of campaign.

    ————————————————————

    A jump of 19 to 25 homers is hardly considered a “spike”.

  136. Wave Your Hat February 23rd, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    Pat M-

    If Hughes or Chamberlain do that in 2012 I’m going to be pretty ticked off because they’ll be free agents in 2013. And I won’t be able to suppress the thought that with perhaps a different approach they could have gotten to that level sooner.

    How’s that for seeing the glass half-empty?

  137. Jerkface February 23rd, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    It’s rather stupid to worry about how a player looks as long as he does his job, don’t you think?

    This could apply to a lot of things, like Brett Gardner. Who cares how overmatched he looks or how he looks on defense as long as he gets on base and gets to balls :)

  138. Pat M. February 23rd, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Tricia, Always good when you come by to visit, even though it’s been a hostile hood here as of late……I’m off for a lower back epidural, I’ll catch you later….D

  139. SJ44 February 23rd, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    Trisha,

    I answered your questions in my 5:09pm post.

  140. Rishi February 23rd, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    this had me laughing out loud:

    Buster_ESPN Best line of the spring so far: Andrew Jones showed up in great shape, about 25 pounds lighter than last year. And he proclaimed to (cont).
    others, “I am the best CFer you guys have in camp.” To which Joey Cora replied, “You should be. Only pitchers and catchers have reported.”

  141. Melkman is in Hotlanta February 23rd, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    “When you’re talking to SJ, you might ask him what caused him to decide that neither Matsui nor Damon would be back this year.”

    Don’t be dissing my boy like that since he did respond to you above.

  142. Pat M. February 23rd, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Losing the 2008 season was a killer for Young Master Hughes, even more so than 07…..Tricia, don’t be a stranger here…….

  143. blake February 23rd, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    What Pat M is saying is why they need to pencil Hughes in the #5 slot and let him go. Joba might be a starter, everyone knows and has known for a long time that Hughes is a starter…its time to get him on that path and see what he becomes. I’m fine with whatever they decide is best with Joba/Hughes but I would certainly like to see what Phil could make of a full season starting.

  144. Jerkface February 23rd, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    Jerkface, I said nothing about comparing Phil to Greinke.

    I didnt say you did, but you seem to be disappointed with my assertion that I think Hughes is a kind of pitcher will have some high 2 ERA seasons and spend most of his time between 3 and 4.

    AL pitchers in 2009 with an ERA under 3.37 (CC Sabathia)

    Zack Greinke AL Central 2.16
    Felix Hernandez AL West 2.49
    Roy Halladay AL east 2.79

    Expecting hughes to put up ERAs like that every season is unrealistic in such a tough division. Most of the low ERA pitchers hang out in the NL west and Central where they can beat up on bad teams or sit in pitcher’s parks.

  145. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 23rd, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    SJ – sorry I didn’t see your response. Mea culpa. I take back my snark!

    No, what I was referring to was that last season when I was convinced that both Matsui and Damon would be back, you were definitive in saying that neither would be back. As it turns out, you were right. What I am asking is this – did you think that the organization was going to decide that neither player was worth bringing back when you said that and that they were going to go in a different direction, or was it something you were hearing in other circles that made you say that?

    **************

    About Damon, I am now willing to concede that MAYBE they had interest in bringing him back initially, but nothing will ever convince me that their offers beyond that were sincere.

    Right Wave?

    Wave, if you want a good chuckle, read this: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo....._away.html

    I swear Damon should open his own toy store and name it Dumb R Us.

  146. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 23rd, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    Jerkface, 99% of the pitchers in the AL (maybe even closer to 100%) are going to pitch to ERAs between 3 and 4. Since you didn’t specify, I assumed you were implying they’d be in the high 3′s. Joba confuses me, so I will withhold judgment on him. However, I think Phil is going to be a terrific pitcher. Where does being a top 15 pitcher get you? A #3 starter? I think Phil can be a stud.

    Pat M, I’m sure that’s true, but I’m just saying that he needs to start and relatively soon. If it’s not this year, it’s got to be next…..

  147. GreenBeret7 February 23rd, 2010 at 5:25 pm

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    And sometimes his elbow barely leaves his side. The guy must have wrists like an Oklahoma farm boy.

    He should try hockey. I bet you he’s got a wicked wrist shot.

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    For those that remember the 70s-80s, he has the same type of quick, accurate snap throws as Manny Trillo, who was one of the best second basemen of that time….virtually every throw chest high over the center on the bag.

  148. lets go yankees February 23rd, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    Other than Halladay and Pedro what other SP has pitched to a sub-3 ERA in the AL East in the past decade?

    Those are some lofty expectations for Phil and Joba

  149. Melkman is in Hotlanta February 23rd, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    “Losing the 2008 season was a killer for Young Master Hughes, even more so than 07….”

    He needs to talk to Mo on how to overcome failure and follow the Mo Rules on staying young (No alcohol, go to sleep 2 hours after the game, no fried food…) I think Joba will outlast him in NY.

  150. Mike_Boston February 23rd, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    “I think it is highly unlikely that Hughes or Chamberlain puts up a season like Greinke did last year. Chamberlain will never have the command”

    The one thing I will add here is that in 07 when Joba first came up he had pinpoint control of all his pitches. I’m pretty sure his first HB and walk in the same game came in the horrific midges game. Besides intentional walks I bet he didn’t have more than 4 walks by the end of September 07. I’ll admit his control has not been the same since (you would assume starting is at least a factor here), so you would think this is correctable, right?

  151. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 23rd, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    Jerkface, lol – no, I don’t “expect” Phil to put up those types of #s in the AL East, esp so quickly. I think pitchers in the East may need to be judged by things other than ERA, frankly. I think maybe I read something into your comment that wasn’t there……..as I said, there’s a huge gap between a 3 and 4 ERA and I thought you were implying that Phil/Joba would be closer to the 4 spectrum. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Really, all I want is for these kids to live up to their potential (and I agree with Blake).

  152. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 23rd, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    I love them both, but I really think that Phil Hughes is the more durable in terms of starting over the course of the season. JMO.

    I love Joba out of the pen. He brings a different dynamic from Phil. I think his stuff is electric and well suited for coming in in relief, when opponents are getting tired out and not necessarily ready to have stuff blown right by them.

  153. GreenBeret7 February 23rd, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Jerkface
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    It’s rather stupid to worry about how a player looks as long as he does his job, don’t you think?

    This could apply to a lot of things, like Brett Gardner. Who cares how overmatched he looks or how he looks on defense as long as he gets on base and gets to balls

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    If he’d use what skills he has (speed) to it’s fullest, I don’t care how he looks. The problem is, he doesn’t. With that speed, during a ha;f a season. he should have had at least 10 bunt hits (he had 2) and 25-30 infield hits (he had 16). More steals, more runs scored. Outfield, other than throwing, he does pretty well except catch flies hit over his head. If he can’t go back, he needs to play deeper.

  154. trisha - OPPC forever - (new lucky picture from last day at the old Stadium) BRING ON THE GHOSTS! February 23rd, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    I am going to predict that Phil is somewhere between 3.2 and 3.4 if he starts. Not necessarily chopped liver!

  155. SJ44 February 23rd, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Trisha,

    I knew from people in the organization they weren’t going to re-sign Matsui and they wanted Damon back at their price.

    Brian Cashman doesn’t make insincere offers to players. That’s not his reputation in the game.

    He had a month of being told from Boras, “don’t make any offers under 2/26″. So, he didn’t.

    When he made the 2/14 offer, it was not only sincere, he really felt they were going to get a deal done.

    Why? Because he felt that after scouring the marketplace and not having an offer anything close to that, Boras and Damon would get real and they would get a deal done.

    It didn’t work out that way.

    He did give it one more try on a one year deal in January.

    As Buster Olney pointed out today (correctly so), Johnny’s version of that phone call to Hal isn’t, shall we say, “accurate”! lol

    In the end, Scott got Mike Illich to ante up some money and bail him out with Johnny for a year.

    Good deal? Until somebody can explain to me how 1/8 in a bad ballpark for Johnny’s skills is better than 2/14 on a World Championship team in a ballpark made for Johnny’s skills, is a better deal, I don’t buy it.

    It just didn’t work out that way.

  156. Jerkface February 23rd, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Jerkface, 99% of the pitchers in the AL (maybe even closer to 100%) are going to pitch to ERAs between 3 and 4. Since you didn’t specify, I assumed you were implying they’d be in the high 3’s. Joba confuses me, so I will withhold judgment on him. However, I think Phil is going to be a terrific pitcher. Where does being a top 15 pitcher get you? A #3 starter? I think Phil can be a stud.

    You have a very incorrect impression of the pitching landscape. Only 18 pitchers in the AL had an ERA under 4 last season. There are 70 starters in the AL. Not to mention its one thing to pitch a single season with a good ERA, its another to do it year in and year out.

    the 18 pitchers:

    Greinke, Hernandez, Halladay, Sabathia, Lester, Verlander, Jackson, Millwood, Weaver, Danks, Washburn, Feldman, Lackey, Buehrle, Niemann, Beckett, Garza, Porcello

    How many of those guys are going to repeat that success?

    Greinke, Hernandez, Sabathia, Lester, Verlander, Danks, Buehrle, Beckett, Lackey, Garza (he seems on the decline though)

    Have track records.

    Niemann, Porcello are new comers.

    Millwood, Feldman, Washburn, Weaver might not repeat.

  157. Jerkface February 23rd, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    If you are one of the top 10-20 pitchers that consistently puts up an ERA under 4 you are probably an Ace. I think Hughes can be an Ace, but I just don’t think he’ll be livin sub 3.

    If the Yankees let him flourish as a starter I’ll say he ends his career with an ERA around 3.4

  158. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 23rd, 2010 at 5:35 pm

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  160. Melkman is in Hotlanta February 23rd, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Cashame should have offered 2/16 to match Detroit. Once the tight hammy keeps NJ out of a game we shall miss the good old days of the tight calf muscle. What has Granderson done during the winter months to improve his ability to hit lefties? Damon was an offensive master and NJ/CG won’t make up the difference. Watch the Granderson K express come to a ballpark near you.

  161. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 23rd, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    SJ, I understand that you may have been hearing that during the off season, but in the season you stated unequivocally that neither would be back. Unless the organization felt that during the season and changed their mind, you obviously were coming from your own perspective. That is all I was asking.

  162. Jerkface February 23rd, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    I wager that Damon+Matsui will accumulate more DL time than Johnson+Granderson and get edged in production.

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  164. lets go yankees February 23rd, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    I think we need a little perspective here just on how hard it is to even pitch to a sub 3.5 ERA in the AL. These are the top 10 ERAs from 2009:

    1. Greinke: 2.16
    2. Felix: 2.49
    3. Halladay: 2.79
    4. CC: 3.37
    5. Lester: 3.41
    6. Verlander: 3.45
    7. Jackson: 3.62
    8. Millwood: 3.67
    9. Weaver: 3.75
    10. Danks: 3.77

    It is great to love home grown guys but expecting Joba or Phil to pitch to even sub 3.5 ERA’s would make them elite pitchers in the American League.

    You guys really think Phil is going to be in CC, Lester, and Verlander’s class in a couple years?

    If you do then I have a feeling a lot of you are going to be sorely disappointed.

    If even one of Joba or Phil settle into the 3.6-3.8 range I would be estatic as they would be excellent number 2′s behind CC.

    If they consistently pitch to sub 4 ERAs over the next few years I would be very happy and you guys should as well.

  165. blake February 23rd, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    I think when you have two young guys, one of which you aren’t sure if he’s a starter or a reliever and one that you are sure is a starter then you go with the one who you know is a starter. I’m not suggesting that’s how the Yankees feel about joba and Hughes but that’s about how I feel.

  166. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 23rd, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Melkman, I greatly mourned your loss, but moving on becomes a necessity and so I did. That said, I would take one Granderson over a million Damons and I will tell you why. (My baseball prejudice definitely comes into play here – and also the reality of the Yankee situation.) The Yankees can much better afford a string of Ks from Granderson, should it happen, because what he will do in the field will more than make up for it. There is more than enough offense to go around on the Yankees. Defense, on the other hand, turned into Damon’s weak suit.

    Damon did what every other player in a contract year does – gave one hell of a year. I am a believer in declining skills especially when a player hits 36 and seems to be physically breaking down.

    I admit I wanted Damon back, but for a year with the Yanks having the option for a second year, and definitely only as a DH. I am thrilled with Nick Johnson as DH. Nick Johnson has been injury prone, but only as a 1B. As soon as we got NJ, I saw Damon as totally expendable. He would have been sweet as a bench player, but that is something that he would not have liked, IMO.

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