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Notes from Friday

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Podcast on Feb 26, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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Fair warning, there’s absolutely no news value in the first part of this post. I just want to pass along a pretty fun exchange with Joe Girardi during his daily meeting with the writers. He was talking about just how little can be gathered from some batting practice sessions when he said, “At times, I think I could still hit BP. Not live BP, but regular BP.”

Girardi later amended that to say he might not be able to hit Kevin Long during BP. “He actually throws pretty hard,” he said.

This bit of information got us started asking Girardi just how much he could still do on a baseball diamond. For example, could he catch a rookie ball game?

“No way!” he said, with the exclamation point absolutely necessary. “It would be easier catching up here because you know where the ball’s going. At the rookie level it would be kind of tough. It would be in the dirt a lot… I think I could make nine innings, it would be the next day that would be a problem.”

Technically, Girardi went off the record with us for a while — though it was only to talk about something he had already discussed publicly — so I don’t want to post his audio. Instead, here’s a little bit of Jorge Posada talking about the rotation competition.

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• The Yankees have decided who will start the spring opener on Wednesday, but they aren’t going to announce it until tomorrow. “I have not had a chance to talk to the human that is,” Girardi said. So we’ve narrowed it down to a human. Good to know.

• Mariano Rivera and Damaso Marte will throw their first bullpen sessions on Monday.

• CC Sabathia throws live batting practice tomorrow. A.J. Burnett will throw BP on Monday, Andy Pettitte on Tuesday and Javier Vazquez on Wednesday. They’re skipping Sunday because of that off day at the beginning of the regular season.

• Girardi on how the Yankees will use Brett Gardner and Curtis Granderson in the exhibition games: “We’ll put them in both spots. We’ll put them in center and left. Get them where we can evaluate whether they’re comfortable in left. We know that they’re comfortable in center.”

• Girardi would not say what the Yankees will do as a team outing on Tuesday, or even publicly admit that Tuesday will be a day off — remember that off the record part of today’s session? — but he did say: “There won’t be many stories to write Tuesday.”

 
 

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181 Responses to “Notes from Friday”

  1. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    It sounds like Girardi has an open mind about the best way to deploy Granderson/Gardner, which is cool.

  2. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    Rich, yes, that despite Cashman saying that Granderson would be in center (which he still might be). I think it’s Cashman’s job to shut the press up with all of their speculation and Girardi’s job to figure out the rest.

  3. NYY626 February 26th, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    Chad – the stories with little or no value are sometimes the best :) Thanks for posting that bit about Girardi

  4. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    Bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
    February 26th, 2010 at 6:36 pm
    Hey GB7,

    Just saw your post on Team Canada women.

    From the looks of them, I’ll bet some of those Canadian prairie girls could whup the butts of the commentators who would probably slap backs if the men’s team was knocking back the Molson on ice.

    ————————————————————

    Yeah, that does put a new meaning on “cowgirls” doesn’t it? I did notice that they had more teeth than the though. That’s a plus.

    Seriously, though you got the point. If it were the men’s team, everyone would get a big chuckle and talk endlessly about how they earned it.

  5. Pat M. February 26th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    The one thing I do know, is that every 6 times Curtis Granderson digs in, he’s going to score ( based on 600 plate appeareneces )….He scores 100 runs a season, that has to place him in the top 10 % od postition players in the game……The one thing I do like about Nick is that he sees alot of pitches…..But he’s a .275 hitter, and he’s not going to pad his stats with walks this season….Pitchers are going to go right at him and his 100 k’s a season…..

  6. pat February 26th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    The teaser about Tuesday only intrigues me more. :wink:

  7. Alan February 26th, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    It appears that some of Cashman’s stealthmanship has rubbed off on his manager and that’s a good trait to have.

  8. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    Let’s Go – Exhibit A

    “Yesterday, though, an in appearance on Sirius XM’s MLB Home Plate Jody McDonald and Jim Bowden spoke to Brian Cashman about the Granderson position debate, and the Yanks’ GM virtually ended the discussion before it could drag on throughout March. ‘He’s our center fielder,’ he said. ‘We traded for him to be our center fielder.’”

    • Girardi on how the Yankees will use Brett Gardner and Curtis Granderson in the exhibition games: “We’ll put them in both spots. We’ll put them in center and left. Get them where we can evaluate whether they’re comfortable in left. We know that they’re comfortable in center.”

  9. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    GB7,

    Have to say, love the cowgirls’ pony-tails. Seriously, though, those girls can play.

    I’m no fan of Team Canada though. Hoping it’s the Slovaks knocking back brewskies in victory tonight in Men’s Game (though not counting on it).

    Now, of course, I want a beer. Time to hunt down some OMMEGANG :) .

  10. lets go yankees February 26th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    “But he’s a .275 hitter, and he’s not going to pad his stats with walks this season”

    —————————-

    This is my one real issue with your argument. You see Granderson in this “Grand” light (get it) and NJ in an awful light. And with NJ you see him in this light when nothing really backs that up.

    Why would he hit .275 when he hit 289 in 05, 290 in 06, and 291 last year (his “full seasons”)? He hit .291 last year and now he is coming to an even better place and situation to hit.

    Why would he not walk? Don’t you think pitchers had concerns about Zimmerman and Hanley Ramirez behind him?

  11. S.o.S. February 26th, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    GB,
    If your out there. ONE MORE WIN FOR GOLD!! I want them to beat the Canadians and make it the MIRACLE ON ICE part deax.

  12. MTU February 26th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    Tues. outing:

    Mini-race cars. :)

  13. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    Let’s Go – Exhibit B

    “Meanwhile, during the same interview, Cashman cleared up another Spring Training mystery of sorts. He also told Bowden that Nick Johnson would bat second for the Yanks.”

    “Girardi named Johnson and Granderson as the primary candidates to replace Damon in that coveted No. 2 hole between high MVP finishers Jeter and Teixeira”

  14. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    Bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
    February 26th, 2010 at 7:00 pm
    GB7,

    Have to say, love the cowgirls’ pony-tails. Seriously, though, those girls can play.

    I’m no fan of Team Canada though. Hoping it’s the Slovaks knocking back brewskies in victory tonight in Men’s Game (though not counting on it).

    Now, of course, I want a beer. Time to hunt down some OMMEGANG .

    ————————————————————

    I wonder if the Rangers or Islanders are scouting them for the draft? I was really shocked with the USA women’s hockey team. They were outstanding and played an aggressive style.

  15. lets go yankees February 26th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    trisha,

    Where did he say that second quote?

  16. Pat M. February 26th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    Lets go Yankees, he’s a lifetime .273 hitter…The whole issue I’m debating with you is run production…..Curtis Granderson is a run scoring machine….And runs win games….

  17. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    S.o.S.
    February 26th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
    GB,
    If your out there. ONE MORE WIN FOR GOLD!! I want them to beat the Canadians and make it the MIRACLE ON ICE part deax.

    ————————————————————

    I’m hoping so, too. Not so sure that it will be that much of an upset as ’60 and ’80, though. It would be great to see, though. I still prefer to see the Olympics as all amateur, though. That’s when it was great. US amateurs against the Russian “pros”, East German “pros” and the rest of them.

  18. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    GB7,

    The amateur hockey culture for women has really evolved. Money being thrown into programs. I remember when the game was painful to watch – they’ve really turned a corner.

    The US Team will likely get Stephanie Lemieux in four years. She’s the daughter of, in my estimation, the most talented player who ever laced them up, and one of the two greatest players ever. Having watched some footage of this kid, she plays a lot like the old man. A LOT.

    The US Team, oddly, has some of the same issues the US men’s soccer team has had in the past – good work ethic and skills but no real snipers.

    This young lady will change that, and she has already expressed her preference to play for the US over Canada.

  19. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    I’ll link you to it Let’s Go. Give me a minute.

  20. lets go yankees February 26th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    Pat,

    If we are going to talk about lifetime stats I could make look Granderson a lot worse. He has a lifetime .344 OBP.

    However, what NJ did in his rookie year 7 years ago (hit .243) is not a good indication at all of what he will do next year. What he did in 38 games in 2008 (hit .220) is not a good indication of what he will do next year. Add in the fact that he has had a couple serious injuries in those seasons and they do not really tell you who NJ is in 2010.

    When he stays healthy he has been a .290 hitter and .420 OBP guy. Last year, our most recent sample of his ability shows that.

  21. lets go yankees February 26th, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    Granderson played in in 159 games in 2006 and only scored 90 runs.

    Last year he played in 160 games and only scored 91 runs.

  22. lets go yankees February 26th, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    Nick Johnson in 2006 played 12 less games than Granderson and scored 10 more runs.

    Granderson can score a lot of runs, but he has not always. Nick Johnson has showed he can score a lot of runs as well.

  23. randy l. February 26th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    stuckey
    February 26th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    “Exactly what sort of blunt head trauma produces hypocrisy, particularly the kind you don’t even comprehend you’re committing.
    War injury?”

    stuckey-

    are you seriously asking if GB7 has a war injury?

    if you don’t think that’s crossing a line, there’s something wrong with you.

  24. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    http://m.si.com/news/wr/wr/det.....74.cnnsi1b

  25. S.o.S. February 26th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    GB7,
    I didnt enjoy watching other countries beat us with a professional squad, while we had kids that havnt even started shaving. If theyre going to bring out their best, might as well give them ours.

    Bod,
    Thats excellent news. I too think Lemeix was the best to ever play. Hopefully his daughter gets us over the hump. The Americans (not sure what they call them)amatuers beat Canada in the finals recently. Lets make it a mens sweep.

  26. Pat M. February 26th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    You’re cherry picking again Lets go Yankees….4 years as a starter, 435 runs scored….I think we’re going to see a re-invented Curtis Granderson in 2010…..He’ll be stealing bases, hitting to contact more especillay on lefties…In essenece a new and improved ( more complete ) ballplayer….I think he’ll still go yard 35 times because of the ballpark, but I’m hoping the 399 foot sign gets much action from Curtis as the legs out 3 baggers

  27. lets go yankees February 26th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    thanks trisha,

    I do wonder why Heyman quoted everything else Girardi said except that one line.

    I would want to hear it from Girardi to be sure because, Heyman has been ridiculous this winter with his reporting and shilling for Boras.

  28. lets go yankees February 26th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Pat,

    I am cherry picking to just show you that Granderson year to year has been a very different ball player.

    If you looked at his lines in isolation for the past 4 years you would have no clue it is the same guy.

  29. jennifer February 26th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    I think Joe doesn’t want people staking out every pool hall in Tampa. LOL

  30. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    Let’s Go – when you say they scored runs, are you saying they crossed the plate rather than batted in the runs?

  31. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    If Granderson hits 35 HR puts up a > .500 SLG (it was .552 in 2007 when he hit 23 HR), do we really want him in the two hole? It seems like that could waste the collateral effects of his power.

  32. anon February 26th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    Nice audio from Jorge. Thanks

  33. S.o.S. February 26th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    So Sam Bradford showed up to the combines weighing in at 235 solid muscle. Are we going to have 300 pound linebackers very soon? Or just have the quarterback play both ways. Un real. How do i tell my son to not inject all the illigal stuff when his competition is only getting bigger, faster and stronger?

  34. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    Bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
    February 26th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
    GB7,

    The amateur hockey culture for women has really evolved. Money being thrown into programs. I remember when the game was painful to watch – they’ve really turned a corner.

    The US Team will likely get Stephanie Lemieux in four years. She’s the daughter of, in my estimation, the most talented player who ever laced them up, and one of the two greatest players ever. Having watched some footage of this kid, she plays a lot like the old man. A LOT.

    The US Team, oddly, has some of the same issues the US men’s soccer team has had in the past – good work ethic and skills but no real snipers.

    This young lady will change that, and she has already expressed her preference to play for the US over Canada.

    ————————————————————

    I always enjoyed watching Lemieux, too. Great stuff watching him. My preferences though were the Hull Brothers, Stan Mikita and Gordie Howe. Loved watching Bossy and Trottier. Never before or since did a player open a career with 9 straight years of 50 or more goals. Imagine what Bossy could have done if he had stayed healthy?

    I’m curious to see how the women’s team grows after this winter.

  35. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    If we’re talking runs scored, isn’t it really important to see who hit behind the person? If we’re talking RBI, isn’t it important to see who hit in front of the person? There are a lot of variables to be considered. You can end up with fruit salad if you just go with the bottom line stats.

    That said, I love Granderson for his speed. That’s what would cause me to give him the nod over NJ in the two hole. I definitely want the slower players further down in
    the lineup.

    JMO

  36. lets go yankees February 26th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    randy,

    stuckey was responding to a comment by GB7 about my parents dropping me on my head as a child.

    When you say something like that, you should expect a response and not a kind one.

  37. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 26th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Chad, I love even the smallest of tidbits, so keep it up!

    It sounds like Joe is feeling good and is nice and relaxed. A manager sets the tone for his team, so that’s a good sign.

    I remember the shock last year when Pete posted that the Yankees were taking the day off to go play pool – I was so happy and the blog was very busy that day. We all wanted to get the story and see pictures………We won’t have that shock this time, but I know on Tuesday that I will very excited to hear about the outing.

  38. lets go yankees February 26th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    trisha,

    You are going to get some people very riled up with your runs scored comment. I am definitely on your side on that one.

  39. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    S.o.S.
    February 26th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
    GB7,
    I didnt enjoy watching other countries beat us with a professional squad, while we had kids that havnt even started shaving. If theyre going to bring out their best, might as well give them ours.

    ————————————————————

    That’s what made the winning so great for the USA. though.

  40. MTU February 26th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    S.o.S-

    Because you love him, and you don’t want him destroying his body.

    That would work wouldn’t it ?

  41. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 26th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    Miniature golf seems a good bet…….how can you get hurt doing that?

  42. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    “So Sam Bradford showed up to the combines weighing in at 235 solid muscle. Are we going to have 300 pound linebackers very soon? Or just have the quarterback play both ways. Un real. How do i tell my son to not inject all the illigal stuff when his competition is only getting bigger, faster and stronger?”

    Culpepper and JaMarcus Russell are 260.

    And yes, it’s wrong that MLB gets most of the scrutiny.

  43. Nick in SF February 26th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Is anyone willing to make a wager that Curtis Granderson will be the opening day #2 hitter?

    I’m thinking it will more likely be Nick Johnson.

    Spring Training injury voids the bet.

  44. Doreen February 26th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Betsy -

    Ooh, miniature golf! That could work. And they don’t have pocket books/tote bags to worry about. :lol: (The reason I no l longer like mini golf is I usually have a shoulder bag dangling.)

  45. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    Let’s Go – all I’m saying is that I saw you mention NJ scoring more runs but being in fewer games (?) in 2006 no less. Even if that were the case, I always have to have a lot more information on stuff like that.

    Anyway, going for now but still lobbying for Granderson in the two hole – I LOVE THE SPEED FACTOR! Now that means a lot to me in terms of having the best hitters bring in the best runners – those are at the top of the lineup typically!

    Later y’all.

    :)

  46. S.o.S. February 26th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    Because you love him, and you don’t want him destroying his body.

    That would work wouldn’t it ?

    ========

    As a parent, of course.

    I heard a question asked on the radio a few months ago. Would you give up 5 to 10 years of your life to be a millionaire playing professional sports? Most callers said hell yea.

  47. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 26th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    LOL Doreen – I don’t have that problem because I have to wear messenger bags that go across me. I have small shoulders and if I wear a bag on a shoulder, it always falls off. I think it would be funny to see a Yankee lose his cool as he takes 10 puts to get the ball through the windmill, lol

  48. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 26th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    Not a chance, SoS

  49. S.o.S. February 26th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Nick,
    Saw highlights of the Bears basketball team yesterday. Whats up with the silver and white uni’s? What happened to the bright colors? They looked more like the Raiders than Bears.

  50. MTU February 26th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    s.o.s-

    That is a young person’s POV IMO

    Money being more valuable than time.

  51. Doreen February 26th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Betsy -

    That would be so funny! I used to be a lot better at mg than I am now. It’s a very frustrating game, at times. Especially, these guys all golf for real at least a little.

  52. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    S.o.S.
    February 26th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
    Because you love him, and you don’t want him destroying his body.

    That would work wouldn’t it ?

    ========

    As a parent, of course.

    I heard a question asked on the radio a few months ago. Would you give up 5 to 10 years of your life to be a millionaire playing professional sports? Most callers said hell yea.

    ————————————————————

    Only if it meant that my birth was delayed 10 years. That would make me younger. Otherwise, no chance. I regret nothing in my life except a divorce.

  53. Nick in SF February 26th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    Right now I’m under the influence of two different medications and my brain is pretty scrambled… clearly I am not thinking straight.

    But… it’s the New York Yankees who will decide how the lineup will go… yet people here are giving their own opinions, playing ‘armchair GM’ and ‘armchair manager’ if you will… I thought the Yankees do fine without our input… what an odd thing to see on a discussion board devoted to New York Yankee topics….

  54. MTU February 26th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    Nick-

    It’s fun to speculate but it’s just like pissing into the wind. :)

  55. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 26th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    Doreen, I haven’t played mini golf in a dogs age, either. Speaking of golf, a few years ago I went to a driving range near my house and started to hit a few balls. I noticed that I was hitting a lot of ground balls and didn’t understand why until I looked at the club. I’m a right-handed person and had picked a left-handed club. In other words, I was hitting the golf balls with the back of the club, lol

  56. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    Cash recently gave interviews to the blog whose name is filtered here and RAB. I think he has > 0 interest in what fans think.

  57. Nick in SF February 26th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    S.o.S.: I was at the game last night, and what a great game it was. The silver uni’s were stupid. It was explained to me that it was some sort of commemoration of the 25th annivarsary of the Air Jordan basketball show and that 2 (2!) other schools were doing it too.

    I asked what the h*** Air Jordans had to do with the Cal basketball program and got no response… somehow I suspect $$$$ is involved.

    I really hope they wear their gold uni’s tomorrow as they can clinch their first conference title in 50 years.

  58. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    S.o.S.
    February 26th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
    GB7,
    I didnt enjoy watching other countries beat us with a professional squad, while we had kids that havnt even started shaving. If theyre going to bring out their best, might as well give them ours.
    Bod,
    Thats excellent news. I too think Lemeix was the best to ever play. Hopefully his daughter gets us over the hump. The Americans (not sure what they call them)amatuers beat Canada in the finals recently. Lets make it a mens sweep.
    ======

    S.O.S,

    I feel blessed I got to cover Gretzky during the Oilers’ mid-late 80s run (greatest team ever) and the Penguins’ back-to-back championships.

    Gretzky and Lemieux – Bach and Mozart – flip a coin. But for talent – no one touches Lemieux. And if he hadn’t had the congenital spinal/back thing, =Gretzky’s records would not have stood. I remember asking Jacques Lemaire if he felt Lemieux was still the game’s best player (he had come back from Hodgkins Disease). He got a gleam in his eye and said: “With one hand tied behind his back!”

    The kid, just 15, has an eerily similar seeming outward coasting or even sleep-walking and then, inexplicably, there she is with the puck and the goalie at her mercy. Don’t know if she’s got his peripheral-passing genius, however.

    I have to say, I dislike Team Canada more than I’m yelling for the US. I find it frankly unappetizing that the NHL players comprise the Canadian and US Teams. I found the women’s games more interesting in this respect – I would so prefer to see Division I college players on that US Olympic roster. It’s a real turnoff for me, so I can’t get excited about it. I do find the Canadian media insufferable, however. Having spent a lot of time in pressboxes with these people, I’ve witnessed their chauvinism against Europeans and Americans alike at tournaments like the World Juniors, Canada Cups, etc. Seeing them go down would give me great pleasure. I’m hoping Hossa and Gaborik will let a couple rip tonight to knock them out!

  59. randy l. February 26th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    “stuckey was responding to a comment by GB7 about my parents dropping me on my head as a child.”

    let’s go yankees-

    I don’t think anyone on the blog, including you, thought gb7 really thought your parents dropped you on your head .

    Asking a Viet Nam war veteran if they have a war injury?

    are you and stuckey going to be asking that of Iraqi or Afghanistan veterans too if they say something you don’t like.

    we’ve all agreed using the “R” word, anything that’s sexist, racist, or any other” ism” that is offensive isn’t going to be tolerated on the blog.

    but you and stuckey think it’s ok to insult someone who’s served his country by asking if he’s had a war injury ?

    interesting.

  60. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Watching Paul O’Neill play miniature golf would be the best. Just have to remove the women and kids from there, though. It wouldn’t be pretty…just funny.

  61. S.o.S. February 26th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Nick,
    I havnt seen the pac 10 this weak for quite awhile. How do you think Cal will do in the touni when they have havnt had the usual strong competition in the inter league games?

    It seems like this year more than any, it could be a cinderella taking it all. I dont see the few power house teams. The big east is beating each other up and Duke is in the same situation(Tarheels having a down year).

  62. S.o.S. February 26th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    America’s Most On-Time Airlines
    1.Southwest
    2.SkyWest
    3.United
    4.US Airways
    5.Northwest

    ====
    Nick and Co.
    Who do you fly with? I cant believe Southwest is #1. The first and last time i took Southwest was to Vegas. I thought the plane was going to fall apart midway. I felt like i was in the movie LOST before the series even came out.

  63. hardwired February 26th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    experience 13 different Inuit words for snow?

    check.

    that’s one more off the big “to do” list of life.

  64. S.o.S. February 26th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Watching Paul O’Neill play miniature golf would be the best. Just have to remove the women and kids from there, though. It wouldn’t be pretty…just funny.

    =======

    Cant forget the to bring the

    Water cooler
    Oneil banner

  65. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 26th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    GB, do they have water coolers at miniature golf courses? If not, I think we’re all safe. Just keep Lou Piniella away from them – he’d be kicking up the turf something fierce, lol

  66. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    ————————————————————
    I always enjoyed watching Lemieux, too. Great stuff watching him. My preferences though were the Hull Brothers, Stan Mikita and Gordie Howe. Loved watching Bossy and Trottier. Never before or since did a player open a career with 9 straight years of 50 or more goals. Imagine what Bossy could have done if he had stayed healthy?
    I’m curious to see how the women’s team grows after this winter.
    ======

    Michael Bossy was just unusual as a scorer. He used to flatten out so much – horizontal to the ice, like those Madeleine animations – and shoot the puck from the most bizarre angle. What a shot he had. Bossy got a lot of crosschecks to his back – that’s for sure.

    I love Gordie and the Hull boys and Stan the Man – also, Lafleur was ridiculous, even though he smoked about tw packs a day. But Lemieux and Gretzky bordered on the preternatural. I think those guys would agree with that.

    If Lemieux had been healthy – well, it boggles the mind. Greatest goalscorer ever, greatest stickhandler ever. And it ain’t even close. And to think he had someone tie his skates many nights, because he literally could not bend over. He he’d go out and get four points. Unreal.

    I am adamantly w/you on amateurs being in Olys. From a national perspective, it’s not like we don’t have a high pedigree in the college ranks. I have to say, many NCAA Frozen Fours have eclipsed the NHL playoffs for entertainment and sheer dynamic play. It’s evened out somewhat with the elimination of the two-line pass – BTW imagine Gretzky and Lemieux playing without the two-line pass, now that’s just frightening – but I’d still rather a BC-North Dakota, or BU-Minnesota final over many an NHL playoff game.

    We have the horses. We don’t need to send NHL players to the Olys.

  67. S.o.S. February 26th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    I feel blessed I got to cover Gretzky during the Oilers’ mid-late 80s run (greatest team ever) and the Penguins’ back-to-back championships.

    =======
    Bod,
    Were you media? Which one was more approachable? I here Gretsky isnt that great to be around attitude and all.

  68. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Did you guys watch MLB’s Prime 9, Best Bloopers the other night? It showed O’Neill in Cincinnati, bobbling the ball in right and getting so mad that he made a perfect kick (from about 150 feet) to first base to keep a runner from scoring? Funniest thing I’ve seen on a ball field.

  69. S.o.S. February 26th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    Betsy,
    Read my 801 post. Whats a game without drama?

  70. Doreen February 26th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    I wanna know why curling is an olympic sport? It’s like pitching horseshoes – that kind of thing.

  71. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    but you and stuckey think it’s ok to insult someone who’s served his country by asking if he’s had a war injury ?
    interesting.
    ===

    In fairness, LGY did not make the comment.

    As comments go though, it was a lousy one, IMO.

  72. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day February 26th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    LOL I just saw that, SoS…I have to think what kind of things they have in and around the Tampa area (if it’s not mini-golf)

  73. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Doreen
    February 26th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
    I wanna know why curling is an olympic sport? It’s like pitching horseshoes – that kind of thing.
    ====

    It’s funny, Doreen. It seems to appeal to people who aren’t traditionally into team sports. My sister-in-law, for example, really digs it. Our family discussions about baseball, football, hockey, etc. send her wandering out of the room after the first 15 minutes or so.

    But my brother says she’s glued to the set for curling.

  74. Nick in SF February 26th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    MTU: I agree it’s fun to speculate and these discussions can actually be informative and, dare I say, eductional. Discussing lineup possibilities; what could be more appropriate for a Yankee DISCUSSION board?

    so I was gently, playfully, and effectionately tweaking an uber-loyal commenter who said she “really never feels the need to armchair manage! You know I enjoy letting the Yankees do their thing without my help.” Said commenter has subsequently lept into discussion about the #2 hole in the lineup and with no apparent shyness.

    To which I say: welcome back to the discussion and vive la Difference!

  75. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    S.o.S.
    February 26th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
    I feel blessed I got to cover Gretzky during the Oilers’ mid-late 80s run (greatest team ever) and the Penguins’ back-to-back championships.
    =======
    Bod,
    Were you media? Which one was more approachable? I here Gretsky isnt that great to be around attitude and all.
    ====

    They were actually both approachable. Lemieux is rather shy, but if you start talking “seems there’s too much of a gap out there and the D isn’t joining the play enough and is peeling off” he can be quite expansive.

    I did a big feature on him for a wire story – Athlete of the Year thing – and he was really funny, but he mostly wanted to talk about golf!

    Gretzky never refused an interview, in fact, when I was frustrated because I couldn’t get to him in a throng, he came over afterwards and said “I could tell you wanted to ask me something..”

    Lemieux did not like talking about himself. He actually loathed it He could go on and on about Jagr or Barrasso, however.

  76. Doreen February 26th, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    bodhi -

    I’ve tried, really tried, to watch it. It’s just – no.

  77. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Bodh, there were so many of them. Bobby orr, Alex Devecchio? Marcel Dionne, Frank and Pete Mahavolich, Maurice and Henri Richard, Bernie (Boom Boom) Beck, Jari Kurri, Mark Messier, Paul Coffey and Glenn Anderson. All of them had that ice awareness. They just seemed to know where everyone was on the ice and where they should be going. It was almost as though they had seen that game on replay…before the game.

    It was the same with John Havlicek, Johnson, Bird, Jordan or Cousy.

  78. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    Doreen,

    LOL. That’s how I feel about it.

  79. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    Randy/Bodh…don’t get wrapped up in that crap. Remarks like that, I just ignore. I don’t even respond to it. I much appreciate ya’ll saying something, but, it’s just not worth the annoyance.

    My “war/service time” has nothing to do with this board, unless of course we’re talking about the shaft that Orville Moody gave me. I figure that it was fear and he was afraid that watching me play golf would affect his game. They won’t respond anyway. Thanks, anyway.

  80. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    GB7,

    I loved Havlicek. Those are great parallels.

    This is Lemieux’s top 10 – although I think the one where he puts the puck through Bourque’s skates is the greatest goal I’ve ever seen, and should have been No. 1.

    SOS, you’ll enjoy this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHJs3VqUpuU

  81. Nick in SF February 26th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    S.o.S., regarding Cal, I wrote this last night:

    “Where Cal is seeded and how far they can go in the tourney will be a very interesting question to me… they can shoot their way into the second weekend or they could get boat-raced out by an athletic team.”

    Pretty deep, huh? I just left out “only time will tell.”

    Honestly, I don’t know… they played some very strong non-coference teams early (Syracuse, Ohio State) without the full squad healthy, and Cal got worked. Even at full strength the result probably would’ve been the same. Cal also lost a close game to UNM in the Pit, always a tough away game, and Cal was still not at full strength.

    The main thing now is, they have three seniors (Jerome Randle, Theo Robertson, Patrick Christopher) was are all 1,000+ point players, can all hit the 3 and can all handle the ball. They don’t really have a dependable big body up front, however.

    If Cal wins the conference (likely) and also wins the Pac-10 tourney (crap shoot) they will probably get a #4 seed in the big tourney… even maybe a #3 if they win out the season and the Pac-10 tourney. My personal benchmark is, I just want to see them make it to the sweet 16… that would mean they beat at least one and probably two decent teams and we Cal fans had a lot of fun in the process. And it would be good for the Pac-10 not to have its representative flop.

  82. Nick in SF February 26th, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Regarding airlines, I probably fly United the most, USAir a bunch because they own Charlotte and I fly there at least once a year… I also fly American and Delta/NW from time to time… I will be flying Mexicana in a couple days… one guess where I’m going…

  83. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Understood, GB7. I winced and moved on first time around. But since RL called it out, wanted to discreetly second it, because it was pretty out there in terms of offense.

  84. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Poor Nick – falls flat on his face – once again! You definitely have the Olympic gold medal for not being able to control your need to take trite shots at me.

    Well I’ll let you get away with this one based on your overmedication or whatever else you said it was!

    I guess you missed the post where I said that I was voting for Granderson but that if NJ were the choice I would immediately acede to the Yankees since they have so much more baseball savvy than I do.

    My interplay had much more to do with hanging out with my friends here than my need to configure the Yankee lineup – that would be the definition of a true amrchair GM – which I am not nor do I aspire to be.

    Checkmate my dear friend.

    Adios muchacho.

    :)

    *******************

    For those of you who are new here, watch for the continuing interplay between what I post and Nick’s continuing need to discredit it. You will notice that I find little need to comment on anything he posts – unless of course it concerns me!

  85. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Trisha,

    Does it help that I LOVE you? :D

  86. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    By the way Nick, my post was meant to be equally gentle, playful and affectionte.

    Viva la difference!

  87. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Boddy – BIG time!

    :)

  88. champ809 February 26th, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    the Johnson/granderson battle for the #2 spot in the order was and is not as much up for grabs as you guys think.

    follow the history…..

    Yanks trade for Granderson with no intentions of bringing Matsui back and with the plan A of bringing back Damon on a 1-2yr deal to DH and hit 2nd in the order.
    That means that from day 1 the plan was to have Grandy replace Matsui’s power bat in the #5-6 hole in the order and replace Damon’s glove in the outfield right?

    When it becomes obvious to Cash that Damon’s ship has sailed he moves on to plan b to replace Damon’s bat in the #2 hole with an UPGRADE as NJ will give about a 15-20% increase in .obp from that spot resulting in even more rbi opportunities for the #3-6 hitters in the lineup, but he’s a better pure hitter than Johnny and a better situational hitter than damon as his career #’s with r.i.s.p and r.o.b. show and his power is more legit than Damon’s.

    the NJ move was always designed with him as the #2 hitter and Grandy’s 30-40 homer potential as the replacement for Matsui’s power bat lower in the order.

  89. Bronx Jeers February 26th, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    Put Gretsky in the modern game?

    No one’s touching him.

    They barely touched him back then…and they really tried hard.

    Lemieux was much more a physical presence. He could play with a guy on his back. It’s hard to compare them in my opinion.

  90. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    If Johnson is in the two hole, I will thrive and survive!

    GO YANKEES!!!

  91. lets go yankees February 26th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    randy,

    I did not say that to GB and I did not say I supported it stuckey’s comment.

    All I was saying was if you are going to say things like that and create a hostile situation people are going to respond, and it is probably going to be harsh. Both were way over the line, so it is not fair to just call stuckey out on it.

    “I don’t think anyone on the blog, including you, thought gb7 really thought your parents dropped you on your head .”

    This though I disagree with. If stuckey comes back and says later I did not really think gb had a war injury is it ok then?

    Whether you think it or not this is a public forum and those type of remarks cross the line and that should apply to everyone.

  92. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    Bronx,

    They have no peer – except eachother.

    No one was as prescient as they were, no one understood how to conserve energy like they could, and Dryden’s whole “threshhold of panic” discourse really speaks directly to them and only them, because no one else could do it consistently like they could.

    In short, they ruled the neutral zone. They played with the tempo of a game like a kid in a sandbox, Everyone else had to try and keep up.

    Nothing like either of them – except the other.

  93. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Eric Lindros would have been awesome but for the concussions.

  94. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    Another coup for Agent Orange:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....boras.html

    Shin-Soo Choo Hires Scott Boras

  95. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    Bodh, thanks for the Lemieux videos. he hasd a lot in common with Bobby Hull. speed, power and grace on the ice. The difference was Lemieux quick wrist shot vs Hull’s blistering slap shots. An old white sox catcher, JC Martin compared a goaly’s attempts to catch Hull’s slap shots. Hot from 15-20 feet out they’d come in at nearly 100 MPH and drop almost a foot. Even Lemieux couldn’t top Hull’s speed, though.

    Here’s about 3 mintues of Hull’s game when he scored goals 599 and 600.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  96. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Bronx,

    Just one more thought: Lemieux actually played like a 5-foot-eight finesse guy.

    He could carry people on his back, but he wasn’t a power forward in any sense or a physical presence in that way.

    He was remarkable in many ways – one of which was deking, feinting, stickhandling around – through?? – people as if he were a wisp of smoke.

    Both guys would wait out the breaking point – Dryden’s memorable phrase ‘threshhold of panic comes to mind again – and then play with the “handful of milliseconds” they had and that no one else had – and calmly put the scrambling chaos around them out of its misery.

    Talking about slowing a game down, stretching and shrinking time. That was them.

  97. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Correction:

    An old white sox catcher, JC Martin compared a goaly’s attempts to catch Hull’s slap shots ****to his attempts at catching Hoyt Wilhelm’s knuckler, with a 50 MPH difference.***

  98. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    Bodh, Lemieux was just too big to be as fast as he was. That had to be unfair. They couldn’t knock him off of the puck. Like i said, him and Hull….power, speed and strength.

  99. Nick in SF February 26th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Trisha: judge, jury, and lexecutioner!

    Your replies beg to be Fisked but I don’t think I have the energy to do it right now… but it’s good to see you in mid-season form so early in Spring Training.

    All I did before was juxtapose two of your comments: 1) that you don’t ‘feel the need’ to be armchair gm and the Yankees sure as heck don’t need your input’ and 2) you have some strong and interesting opinions on who should bat 2nd for the Yankees.

    If you don’t see the humor in the incongruity in those two ideas, I don’t think you’re trying.

    Now if you WANT me to Fisk your post, I’ll try to shake off the codeine and give it a whirl. Otherwise, I just made fun of something funny you said, and you profess not to care a whit what I saw anyway, so what’s the problem?

  100. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    Nick, I certainly hope you are feeling okay from whatever you needed your codeine for.

    If you didn’t have a history of needing to make some kind of depracatory comment on mostly everything I post, I probably would have ignored your comments.

    There is a difference in giving an opinion and playing armchair GM. So as I’m sure everyone here except perhaps you realizes, I really am not the armchair GM type. I typically go with what the Yankees like. My time here was more to interact with people I really like being with. Sorry if you couldn’t see the difference between that and your latest “tweak.”

    Anyway, feel better.

  101. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    GreenBeret7
    February 26th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
    Bodh, thanks for the Lemieux videos. he hasd a lot in common with Bobby Hull. speed, power and grace on the ice. The difference was Lemieux quick wrist shot vs Hull’s blistering slap shots. An old white sox catcher, JC Martin compared a goaly’s attempts to catch Hull’s slap shots. Hot from 15-20 feet out they’d come in at nearly 100 MPH and drop almost a foot. Even Lemieux couldn’t top Hull’s speed, though.
    Here’s about 3 mintues of Hull’s game when he scored goals 599 and 600.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
    ====

    Nobody could shoot like Hull back then. He used to circle his own D to pick speed.
    Hull was a one-man gang and who combined power with speed and finesse probably unlike any other forward in NHL history. Messier is the closest thing, but he didn’t have the shot.

    I think a major difference was that Lemieux controlled the game more, could play it at any tempo, and couldn’t be stopped.

    In Hull’s case, guys like Bryan Watson, Ron Stewart, and Claude Provost could shut Hull down in a series. They won a Cup when he was young, but the Leafs and Habs were able to put a net over him effectively enough to win series. I don’t anyone has ever had a shot like that – tremendous. Didn’t matter that he telegraphed it.

  102. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    GreenBeret7
    February 26th, 2010 at 9:05 pm
    Bodh, Lemieux was just too big to be as fast as he was. That had to be unfair. They couldn’t knock him off of the puck. Like i said, him and Hull….power, speed and strength.
    ====

    Yeah, you can really see the deceptive speed when he’s passing guys more than when he’s just skating solo. He glides by with long strides, didn’t need to carve the ice up.

    Hull was faster, of course. Just tremendous thighs.

  103. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    For most hockey players, trying to stop Lemieux was like watching a Volkswagen trying to stop a freight train.

    You can bet that Randy wouldn’t have forgotten his cup if he went in between the pipes against those two.

    Loved watching Hull blow up the wing and past two defenders that started with 5 steps on him. The game has changed a lot. I just pulled up a 10 minute clip of Hull and Howe among others playing in the old “Summit Series” between Canada and the Russians from 1974. His speed was in full force.

  104. David in Cal February 26th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    The reason NJ will bat 2nd isn’t that he’ll necessarily score more runs than Granderson would. It’s that by not making out as often as Grandy, he’ll give the batters after him more chances to score runs.

  105. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Possibly Orr, Lemieux and LeFleur (The Flower) was close, but by the length of the ice, Hull is past them.

  106. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Those were some days, GB7.

    Kharlomov was a great, great player. Those Russian teams were machines, and I mean it in the most flattering sense.

    Petrov and Mihailkhov were also elegant players. Didn’t Howe say something like, “We’re the real winners -we get to leave this country”?

    I think even Johnny Pie MacKenzie played in that series.

  107. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Orr or Hull, that’s a tough one.

    Orr was smoother on his skates, and he probably was just as fast at warp speed.

    Orr is my choice for third greatest player ever.

  108. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    GreenBeret7
    February 26th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
    Correction:
    An old white sox catcher, JC Martin compared a goaly’s attempts to catch Hull’s slap shots ****to his attempts at catching Hoyt Wilhelm’s knuckler, with a 50 MPH difference.***
    ===

    LOL. I remember Hull practically taking Caesar Maniago’s head off on a Wednesday night at the Garden. Hull was going for No. 50, but he wouldn’t get it that night. Maniago shut out the Hawks, 1-0. A few days later, in old Chicago Stadium, Hull was shut down for a couple of periods and then I think early in the third he scored a pair and the floodgates opened.

  109. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    GO SLOVAKS!!!

  110. Nick in SF February 26th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    But Trisha, many (most? all?) of everyone’s debates here are about interacting with fellow Yankee fans and discussing matters that pertain to decisions that the Yankees will make. Gravy and TV shows are fun to talk about here in the LoHud community, but lineups and rotation spots are what makes the blog go ’round.

    This difference between “giving an opinion” and “playing armchair GM” is a highly subjective one. I am not saying this is the case, but a neutral reader could argue that doing the former while mocking those who do the latter is de facto hyprocrisy.

    So for you to say that everyone here (but me) can see that you are not the ‘armchair GM type’ is odd unless you’re contriving some unique definition that excludes only you.

    And I sort of sympathize with your apparent perception that I make fun of almost everything you post, but the reality is, I probably miss a lot of what you post and leave most of what I do see pass without comment. Sometimes I agree with you too.

    I just happen to have an unusual memory for who said what about what subject when, so it’s not that tough too see Comment B and laugh at how much it seemingly contradicts Comment A.

    How about saving your mockery for clowns like this:

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201.....nt-1243175

  111. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    Bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
    February 26th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
    Those were some days, GB7.

    Kharlomov was a great, great player. Those Russian teams were machines, and I mean it in the most flattering sense.

    Petrov and Mihailkhov were also elegant players. Didn’t Howe say something like, “We’re the real winners -we get to leave this country”?

    I think even Johnny Pie MacKenzie played in that series.

    ————————————————————

    Mantle, Orr, Namath. How great could they have been with even decent knees?

    I hated the Russians back then, but, those guys could have been NHL HOFers.

    As a Blackhawk fan, I hated Gordie Howe (out loud), but, loved to watch him. I’d compare him to Larry Bird, Havalicek and Pete Rose. He made himself great, dispite having less talent.

    I didn’t get to see it, but, in Houston, when Howe was playing with Mark and Marty, one of the other players had boarded Mark hard. Gordie skated over before the ref (who was telling the story) could get there, Gordie had skated over, stuck two fingers in the guy’s nose and lifted him off of the ice, “Don’t ever screw with my kids again.” He was funny, but, he was mean when it called for it. He was also strong as a bull.

  112. YankeeRay February 26th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Nick in SF
    February 26th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
    Is anyone willing to make a wager that Curtis Granderson will be the opening day #2 hitter?

    I’m thinking it will more likely be Nick Johnson.

    Spring Training injury voids the bet.
    ——–

    If he hits lefties in the spring he will be in the 2 hole. NJ will drive in more runs from the 5 hole with his OBP.
    Opening day lineup against Beckett:
    Jeter
    Granderson
    Tex
    Arod
    NJ
    Posada
    Cano
    Swisher
    Gardner
    L/R all the way through with 3 SH’s

  113. stuckey February 26th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    “are you seriously asking if GB7 has a war injury?”

    No, I’m not SERIOUSLY asking if he has a way injury, any more thsn he was seriously asking if people were so stupid because their parent’s purposely dropped on on their head.

    “if you don’t think that’s crossing a line, there’s something wrong with you.”

    We KNOW is something wrong with you :-) . If you don’t understand the context in which my remarks were made and are seriously responding to ME and ignoring what prompted the remark, then that just reconfirms the fact…

  114. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    Nick, as I said, I hope you feel better. I just watched the US men take it to the Dutch in team skating, and now I’m getting ready to watch Apollo Ono skate in the men’s 500M.

    Have a good night. I’ve no need to debate. So I’ll leave it at that.

    GO US! GO APOLLO ONO!!!

  115. Nick in SF February 26th, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    YankeeRay, I’m totally open to Granderson in the #2 hole and I find a lot of the arguments for that pretty convincing. But when I wager I try to focus only on what I think the result will be.

    Like, when I bet Erica that Damon wouldn’t come back, I still would have been happy if he had come back, but there was more than enough writing on the wall for me to have decided that the odds were in my favor.

    So, I’m just taking what Yankee officials have said publically abouit it PLUS what some people are arguing here to decide that NJ as the #2 hitter would be a good bet.

    A more interesting bet would be, who will the primary #2 hitter be by June 30?

  116. stuckey February 26th, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    “As comments go though, it was a lousy one, IMO.”

    It WAS a lousy, stupid, insensitive comment. By design.

    It was also a sarcastic one, intended to make a point – draw attention to what goes by many times daily and is seemingly accepted by the other regulars here.

    But leave it certain others to start playing the relative degree game of lousy, stupid comments. GB’s comments go without comment, mine create outrage (well, not real outrage, faux outrage by someone trying very, very hard to win some sort of sick battle, and getting nowhere).

  117. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    OH MY GOD!!!!! Soukh (sp?) fell and Apollo came in first in his heat!!! I think Soukh was the favorite to win this entire race. Apollo will now go for the gold.

    Oh my God. This is what it’s all about sportsfans!!!

  118. Nick in SF February 26th, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    Trisha, you have a good night too. Go team USA!

    (but I think this means there was no checkmate after all :) )

  119. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    trisha – OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!!
    February 26th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
    OH MY GOD!!!!! Soukh (sp?) fell and Apollo came in first in his heat!!! I think Soukh was the favorite to win this entire race. Apollo will now go for the gold.

    Oh my God. This is what it’s all about sportsfans!!!

    ————————————————————

    Run for Gold in less than 15 minutes.

  120. Nick in SF February 26th, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    I don’t think the Slovaks are going to help us out too much.

    Setting up the epic re-match on Sunday. :evil:

  121. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    I don’t think hitting LHP in ST means a whole lot given the entirety of Granderson’s career.

  122. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    Mantle, Orr, Namath. How great could they have been with even decent knees?
    =====

    What’s sad is the further one moves away from their eras, the less and less people are around who actually saw these guys. You can’t find anyone, for instance, on the hockey boards these days who have seen the old-timers.

    I know that Howe story. LOL. Mark Howe was pretty talented. Didn’t have the old man’s mean streak. Messier was nasty like Howe. He broke Alexander Kovin’s jaw with a wicked elbow during the Canada Cup tournament. Very Gordie like.

  123. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    Nick in SF
    February 26th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
    I don’t think the Slovaks are going to help us out too much.
    Setting up the epic re-match on Sunday.
    ====

    I was hoping Hossa and Gaborik would snipe the Slovaks’ way to victory.

    Not to be.

  124. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    GB – this is going to be one tough race. The Canadian skater is so fast. I know this isn’t supposed to be Apollo’s race, but geeze Louise imagine if he takes the gold! I’m on the edge of my seat when they race because it amazes me that they stay up to begin with and don’t all skate into each other!

  125. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Sorry – Apolo, not Apollo.

  126. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
    February 26th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
    Mantle, Orr, Namath. How great could they have been with even decent knees?
    =====

    What’s sad is the further one moves away from their eras, the less and less people are around who actually saw these guys. You can’t find anyone, for instance, on the hockey boards these days who have seen the old-timers.

    I know that Howe story. LOL. Mark Howe was pretty talented. Didn’t have the old man’s mean streak. Messier was nasty like Howe. He broke Alexander Kovin’s jaw with a wicked elbow during the Canada Cup tournament. Very Gordie like.

    ————————————————————

    LMAO. The Old Man taught his kids well. I was always surprised that Marty failed in the game, though injuries didn’t help. For a defenseman, he lacked that sort of aggressive play that Gordie and Mark had. G. Howe was amazing, though. 51 years old and scores 15 goals in the NHL playing in 80 games? Unbelievable.

  127. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    apolo should get a DQ on this one

  128. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    :(

    I figured that was going to be a DQ.

  129. blake February 26th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    That’s BS. The same thing happened to Apollo the other night and there was no DQ.

  130. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    No question that he deserved the DQ.

  131. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    mmmmmmmmm….DQ. Hot butterscotch topping over a gallon of strawberry ice cream.

  132. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    As mean as Howe was on the ice, he’s the nicest guy in the world off it. Very affable, pleasant guy. Of course, eviscerating people with the butt-end of your stick no doubt has a calming effect on the nervous system :D .

    AAAAND… Slovaks do jack on their power play.

  133. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    The best I can do is coconut rolled dates with bananas and nutmeg. Exciting, I know.

  134. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    Why, THERE’S Gaborik. Glad he thought it meet to suit up tonight.

  135. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    Yeah, Howe was a lot like Bob feller is. I got a chance to meet them at different times while growing up, at speaking engagements. Funny and just regular guys.

  136. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    blake, the guy went down. There was no question that was going to happen. The problem was that Apolo didn’t get a good start and it took him to the final lap to make his move. So that was a potential formula for disaster.

    Short skate is a scary thing. If you remember he ended up with the bronze in one of the first races only because two of the skaters went down. It works both ways.

  137. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    Horsebleep call.

    They completely miss the charge.

  138. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    Bodh, how are you watching the Canadian/Slovak game?

  139. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    OK clearly the Slovaks are not interested.

  140. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    It’s on CNBC. Don’t waste your time.

  141. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    GB, gotta be CNBC or MSNBC.

  142. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    Ok, got it. Thanks, bodh

  143. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Looks like Paul Stastny could have been used.

  144. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    Wow Lindsey Vonn really ended up falling apart after she won those two medals. Surprises in other venues however, like the Nordic Combined and the Bobsleds. (I think the USA team was ahead in the first run of the 4-man Bobsled tonight.)

    blake, don’t know if you just caught the interview with Apolo but he didn’t feel he should have been DQd and thought it was maybe because the head judge was Canadian… But he did end up saying he should have skated faster and that he now wants to do whatever he can to help them win the next medal.

  145. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    That’s it.

    Where’s Vladimir Ruzicka when you need him?

  146. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    He would have been better off without the “Because the judge is Canadian” excuse. Whether it was or not, he touched the skater.

  147. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    Scratch that. Ruzicka was a Czech.

    Where’s Anton and Marian Stastny when you need them?

  148. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    GB7,

    They can’t even get their fourth man into the zone.

    They are just not showing up, here.

    It’s one and out, no rebound, no second wave.

    The US will just have to kick their a**.

  149. Nick in SF February 26th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    The Slovaks were always better Warsaw Pact brothers. It was the Czechs who were the weak links.

  150. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    LOL. Thought you were talking about Zednik holding the stick.

    Any way, it’s curtains for the Slovaks.

  151. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    GB I agree, and he is not typically an excuse maker. The fact of the matter is that he did not have a good skate and for whatever reason had to wait until just about the end of the race to make his move. He said he was just trying to balance himself. It looked to me like he gave the guy a little push. Whatever the case, even giving voice to the thought that it was prejudice on the part of another country’s judge is never a good thing and ends up sounding like sour grapes. Wish he hadn’t said it. I’m wondering if he’s wishing the same thing now.

  152. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    Some commentator picked “Czechoslovakia” to win the gold in hockey in this Olympics.

    I thought, I assure you, that will not happen.

  153. blake February 26th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    Trisha,

    I saw the replay several times and he did put his hand on the guy but it didn’t look like to me that he pushed. The same thing happened to him in the race he won bronze, he just didn’t fall. I’ll admit I don’t know all the rules to short track skating but every race I’ve seen some of that goes on, I thought it was commonplace. Anyway, he had a horrible start to the race so can’t complain too much.

  154. randy l. February 26th, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    “As mean as Howe was on the ice, he’s the nicest guy in the world off it. Very affable, pleasant guy.”

    one day in the mid nineties in my business in sarasota, a very polite middle aged husband and wife purchased four bracelets for their daughters and daughters in law.

    when the man signed the charge slip ,i noticed that his forearms were about twice the size of mine ( i was about 210 then and in shape). i thought he must be a farmer or do something really physical.

    then i looked at the signature. it was gordie howe. i didn’t follow pro hockey so i didn’t recognize him before. we chatted a bit and his wife continued shopping in other shops. we sat on the hood of my car parked out front and talked sports for about 45 minutes ( i think he was relieved to not be shopping).

    what we talked about was baseball and golf. it turns out that he used to shag balls and hit with the tigers a lot, he was close with kaline and really loved the game. i get the feeling he could really play. not that he was bragging, but he just had that kind of presence about him.

    he flat out asked me my handicap when golf came up. he lightly chastised me when i proudly said i’d been playing about two years and had a 5 handicap. he said i needed to get rid of those 5 strokes and get down to scratch because anyone should be able to do that in golf. he said to practice more because i must be doing something wrong .

    anyway, the next day he came in with an autographed book of his and dropped it off for me. i really would have liked to play golf with him as i have no doubt he was a scratch player. i’ve met a lot of athletes, but i would say gordie howe had that special something that you didn’t even need to see him play to know he had it.

  155. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    blake, I don’t know a lot about the rules either but I do remember that in a few of the races where they were in heats, if someone fell down because of another skater and that person was in qualifying position, the skater who fell would be automatically qualified to go onto the next heat. And if a skater fell because of someone else, the person who caused the fall would be DQd if the skater was in qualifying position. Something like that. Maybe because they were so close to the finish line and the skater was definitely in qualifying position to win the race? But true that he didn’t skate a great race. If you remember they announced that the last three people to win that race were all in the first lane position and that the third lane wasn’t a really good skating position.

  156. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    That’s a great story, Randy. Sounds like Gordie Howe.

    Just don’t get stuck in the corners with him. ;)

  157. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    Randy, his kid, Mark had a choice between baseball and hockey and chose hockey. Most picked him as a power hitting outfielder. Big and fast…Kirk Gibson type.

    Howe was also big friends with Mantle (through Al Kaline). He’s always been a big baseball fan. He’s more American than Canadian and still a god in Michigan as well as Canada. He was big for the time that he played…about 6 foot and over 200 pounds. Son Mark was a big guy, too.

  158. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    Bodh, he’s not the guy that you want to ask if he’d like to go boarding with…snow, ice or water.

  159. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Okay, now I am officially tired of Canada…

  160. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    GreenBeret7
    February 26th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
    Bodh, he’s not the guy that you want to ask if he’d like to go boarding with…snow, ice or water.
    ====

    Most famous elbows in sports.

  161. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    trisha,

    What’s taken yo so long?

  162. randy l. February 26th, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    “No, I’m not SERIOUSLY asking if he has a way injury, any more thsn he was seriously asking if people were so stupid because their parent’s purposely dropped on on their head.”

    stuckey-

    to me it was a pretty classless remark since it’s unlikely gb7 made it through the vietnam war without getting war injuries( not that he’ll ever mention it). you obviously weren’t around in those days when friends often came back from there pretty messed up or not at all.

    i was on the other side of that war at the time , but i have never in my life insulted a vietnam veteran by being sarcastic about something that’s not funny. i look at what you said as something that you don’t joke about, not back then , not now , not ever.

  163. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    He could play clean, but, in those days, if you didn’t play like the others, you didn’t survive.

    Here’s a shocker in the world of hockey. The only award that Gordie Howe never won was The Lady Byng Trophy (for gentlemanly conduct).

  164. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    Boddy – the fact that until recently we were ahead in the overall medal race but also ahead in the gold medals. Now those bahstids are ahead of us in gold!

    :D

  165. randy l. February 26th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    “He was big for the time that he played…about 6 foot and over 200 pounds.”

    he must have had 50 of those pounds in his forearms.

    he did mention the yankees, but i couldn’t remember what he said .

    i never met mantle , but howe had a presence that i imagine was similar.

  166. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    randy, did you ever see Maris’ arms. Hard to believe when looking at them, but Maris was bigger than Mantle. Mantle’s size was in his arms and upper body. Maris was just big. He was also only about a half a step slower.

  167. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    WOO HOO! Steve Holcomb and Team USA just finished in first in the second heat of the 4-man and set a track record!!! And who is in second? Yes you guessed it. Canada.

    Grrr.

    But tomorrow I expect Holcomb to take it all tomorrow!!!

  168. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    Canadians had better be careful. 3-2 Cananada with 4:53 to go.

  169. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    i got so excited, even my typing stuttered.

  170. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    Stick with this until they get to the elbow stuff. Hilarious. Now I know where the term “elbow room” originated.

    http://vodpod.com/watch/143426.....ordie-howe

  171. randy l. February 26th, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    mira mareckova is on the edge of her seat somewhere in slovakia right now-
    probably bratislava .

    it was through her that i learned a decade ago that hockey is a very big deal in slovakia.

  172. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    Hate is a strong word. However, Canada is going further down on my list with every event…

  173. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 26th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    Had the Slovaks bothered to show up earlier, might have been a different result.

  174. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! February 26th, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    Well the ultimate humiliation is coming up on Sunday. I can only hope that we are the humiliators and not the humiliatees.

    Night all.

    God bless the US of A.

  175. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    bodh, that video on G. Howe was great stuff. Thanks.

  176. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 27th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    Welcome, GB.

    Just emailed it to a chum of mine I played river hockey with for years. He pretended to be Beliveau, and I was Jean Ratelle.

    Not enough natural ice for us where we grew up, though, and not a lot of rinks in those days.

    Any way, he was a big Gordie guy. I guess we all were at one time.

  177. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes February 27th, 2010 at 12:01 am

    ‘Night, Trisha, sweet dreams!

  178. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    Bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
    February 27th, 2010 at 12:00 am
    Welcome, GB.

    Just emailed it to a chum of mine I played river hockey with for years. He pretended to be Beliveau, and I was Jean Ratelle.

    Not enough natural ice for us where we grew up, though, and not a lot of rinks in those days.

    Any way, he was a big Gordie guy. I guess we all were at one time.

    ————————————————————

    Man, does that bring back memories….playing hockey on river ice. The goals were about 200 yards apart. Can’t remember if anybody ever scored or not. He spent so much time chasing pucks towards the non-existant boards. Ywo ruches up the ice called for a 20 minute time out. Of course we used to play bumper tag on the ice with old cars too. Take the tires off and run on the rims. You know?…one of those things that intelligent kids do.

  179. GreenBeret7 February 27th, 2010 at 12:29 am

    ***non-existent boards. Two rushes up the ice called for a 20 minute time out

  180. stuckey February 27th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Randy, you continue to misunderstand. It WAS classless, purposely so. And it wasn’t a joke. I wasn’t trying to be funny. I was making a point.

    And you’re apparently the ONLY person who fails to understood. The outrage you were hoping for is only coming from you and you alone.

    GB made a classless, inappropriate, unnecessary comment (which as we both know, is his norm). That you reserve all your indignation for me yet often comment about GB’s consistent behavior as it’s somehow charming is indicative of their fact his isn’t about objective moral outrage, but instead a personal vendetta.

    Move on…

  181. stuckey February 27th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    “you seriously want to start it up again this morning and keep the unbelievably disrespectful comment alive that you made to gb7 when you asked him:”

    you’re trying waaaay too hard…


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