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Park scratched and Mo scheduled

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Mar 08, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Remember a few years back when Carl Pavano was out with the infamous “bruised buttocks?” Well, Chan-Ho Park was supposed to throw live batting practice for the first time this spring today but was scratched with what Joe Girardi termed a “sore glute.”

Now, to be fair, Pavano’s injury was really more of a lower back injury but still – what are the odds? Park apparently irritated a muscle while running and despite saying he felt fine today the Yankees opted to be cautious. Brian Cashman spoke to Park and told him “don’t rush – you’ve made the team,” which is basically the same speech he gave to Nick Johnson when Johnson said he felt fine after tweaking his back.

Francisco Cervelli is a different story. He didn’t get that speech, Cashman said, and so there could be some concern that Cervelli would try to rush back from his concussion. When it comes to head injuries, though, the Yankees are cautious and Cashman said it’s “a medical decision” on when Cervelli could return. He’ll see a neurologist today.

As mentioned, Mariano Rivera and Damaso Marte threw live BP on a back field with no issues and will throw bullpens on Thursday. For those fans hoping to see Rivera in action this spring – his appearances are rare – he has now been scheduled to pitch on March 17, though that could change since it’s a road game. In fact, it almost surely will change.

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57 Responses to “Park scratched and Mo scheduled”

  1. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 8th, 2010 at 10:58 am

    2 injuries in the first week of camp, one quite serious? That’s not great…

  2. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 8th, 2010 at 10:59 am

    Still, glad to see Mo and Marte pitching and feeling fine. If Marte is healthy, he’ll be good to very good; man, if he can pitch like he did in the WS.

    I’m concerned about Cervelli. Aaron Hill was out most of the year after his concussion….

  3. m March 8th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    I would prefer not to see Cervelli for 2 full weeks. Seriously.

  4. Erin March 8th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Hopefully all goes well for Cervelli at the doctor today.

  5. upstate kate March 8th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    on the Pirates edition of 30/30, SJ’s nephew was highly rated as a prospect…good defensively…bat coming around…mentioned as a catcher of the future.

  6. uncle ellsworth March 8th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Last day at ST. Nephew scored autographed ball from mr Rivera. Little bit better than the Kay Singleton combo they got on Sat.

  7. upstate kate March 8th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    enjoy your last day Uncle E :)

  8. Matt March 8th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    DId you mean MO pitches the 16th vs Astros?? 17th is vs Phillies??

    Im going the 16th, please be the 16th!!

  9. Erica - always OPPC March 8th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    I am out of the loop-

    Who beaned Cervelli and how are we seeking revenge?? :evil:
    (Note: I am not serious. Well, not completely……)

  10. Erin March 8th, 2010 at 11:04 am

    uncle ellsworth
    March 8th, 2010 at 11:00 am
    Last day at ST. Nephew scored autographed ball from mr Rivera. Little bit better than the Kay Singleton combo they got on Sat.

    ******************
    Awesome! :)

  11. Erin March 8th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    Ledger_Yankees answer: the amateur cab driver was indeed @NickSwisher about 1 minute ago reply

    for those who missed it-this was the question:

    Ledger_Yankees I saw a handful of Yankees piled into the back of a speeding flatbed golf cart. You get one guess as to who was behind the wheel… 13 minutes ago

  12. blake March 8th, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Cervelli showed what he could do last year…I really don’t understand why they wouldn’t give him the security to recover from a concussion, something that could cause lasting problems if not dealt with properly.

  13. Erin March 8th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Ledger_Yankees “Is this big news? What’s going on?” Yeah, Chan Ho Park doesn’t sound too worried. Says he’ll face hitters tomorrow. about 1 minute ago

  14. randy l. March 8th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    “Randy, don’t you find it sad that Joba needs this kick in the butt? I know Phil doesn’t.”

    people tend to be who they have been in the past.

    joba has always had trouble with conditioning.

    he doesn’t look like he spent the winter trying to take it to another level.

    on the other hand the yankees could simply let him pitch himself into shape.

    or they quit swimming against the current and just put him in an important BP role where his temperament seems to fit better.

    time will tell with joba, but i’m not optimistic on his long term starting prospects.

  15. E-gawa March 8th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Or the could give him a severe reality check and start him in the minors.. :)

  16. Crawdaddy March 8th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Some of you need to stop being armchair doctors with your medical opinions as the Yankees will do whatever the doctors recommend for Cervelli.

  17. blake March 8th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    Randy,
    Agree with you on Joba.

  18. m March 8th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    Erin,

    My first thought was Nick. But the “you have one guess” pushed me to overthink it and take recent success into consideration. :P

  19. cano he didnt March 8th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    Agree with Crawdaddy. Sure concussions can really suck i.e. Aaron Hill. But they can also be very minor the way they are portraying Cervellis concussion. Ive had a couple with no lasting effect and was pretty much fine the next day. Gotta love snowboarding!

  20. Crawdaddy March 8th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    As far as Park, the Yankees conservative approach with injuries makes these players with minor injuries look like babies. At this time in early March, it’s probably best that way, especially with guys that have already made the team.

  21. Erin March 8th, 2010 at 11:34 am

    m
    March 8th, 2010 at 11:32 am
    Erin,

    My first thought was Nick. But the “you have one guess” pushed me to overthink it and take recent success into consideration.

    ************************
    LOL I honestly didn’t think of Nick (no idea why)-my guess was AJ.

  22. m March 8th, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Oh, yeah. One other Oscar thing. Steve Martin was horrible!

  23. CountryClub March 8th, 2010 at 11:35 am

    As far as injuries go, losing your backup catcher (yes, i know concussions are serious) and the 3rd or 4th pitcher out of the pen to a sore muscle, they could have done a whole lot worse.

    No broken thumbs or sore elbows so far (knock on wood). Keep the starters and the rotation healthy during the spring and it’s a huge win.

  24. m March 8th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    CountryClub has it right.

    Nathan pulled because he felt something in his surgically repaired elbow. But espn said it was nothing. Next thing you know he’s on his way back to Minny.

    And Alex Gordon out with a broken thumb.

    Knock on wood, we can stay relatively healthy again.

  25. Frank March 8th, 2010 at 11:48 am

    “Nathan pulled because he felt something in his surgically repaired elbow. But espn said it was nothing. Next thing you know he’s on his way back to Minny.

    And Alex Gordon out with a broken thumb.”

    Add Russell Martin, the Dodgers starting C, to that list. Out for at least a month and a half.

  26. m March 8th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Wow, Frank. What happened?

    How freaked out if people Mo, Posada, and Alex were injured? Look at the reaction to a glut and an ankle! ;)

  27. Erin March 8th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    RiverAveBlues Mariano feels “delicious” after throwing live BP. (Via @benshpigel) Who knows what that means? about 1 minute ago

  28. Frank March 8th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    “Wow, Frank. What happened?”

    Groin injury. Dodgers seem prepared to go with 28 year old rookie, AJ Ellis at catcher until Martin returns.

  29. pat March 8th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Does shape = conditioning? and has conditioning just become the excuse used for poor results when it comes to Joba?

    Maybe, just maybe, the muscle he needs to “condition” is the one between his ears more than the one in his mid-section?

    Trisha

    Glad you enjoyed the movie. I had a motley crew who saw it with me from 8 to 80 and everyone liked it.

  30. pat March 8th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    “Add Russell Martin, the Dodgers starting C, to that list. Out for at least a month and a half.”

    Everytime I hear about a groin injury now, can’t help but thinking “Who has Philippon’s phone number?”.

  31. SJ44 March 8th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    I think we need some injury boundries/definitions.

    A concussion is a serious injury. They will be conservative bring ‘cisco back. As they should be.

    Tweaking a back (NJ) or a glut (Park) is NOT an injury.

    Its nothing. If it was a regular season game, both guys would be playing.

    Its ST and the writers report everything because that’s their job. If it was the regular season, these “injuries” wouldn’t even be discussed.

    A little perspective on this stuff sometimes needs to be in order.

    As far as Joba, I don’t think he needs a “kick in the rear”. I really don’t.

    I saw him a month before ST and he looked great physically.

    He’s a big guy. However, he looked toned and in shape. Certainly better than he looked last year at the same time.

    Players play to their abilities. For Joba, he just may be a guy, regardless of all the handwringing that goes on with him, that’s best suited for the bullpen.

    That’s from a temperament, pitching IQ, stamina, and stuff standpoint.

    OR……

    He may get back to the guy he was in 2008 when he LOOKED (wasn’t yet but, LOOKED) like he could be a front of the rotation guy.

    Its best to see what happens over the entire spring before rushing to judgment on any player.

    As far as the 5th starter “competition” goes, if you really believe there is one outside of Joba and Phil, I have a bridge to sell you.

    You talk “competition” to keep guys engaged, focused and working hard.

    But, as Randy said, putting Joba AND Hughes in the bullpen or AAA for a journeyman guy defeats the purpose of Cashman rebuilding the farm system.

    In other words, barring injury or Phil and Joba contracting Steve Blass disease, one or the other is going to be the 5th starter.

  32. m March 8th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    Frank,

    Thanks. That’s too bad.

    pat,

    I’m not a big fan of having Dr. Andrews on speed dial, too. How many “Have 10 surgeries, get one free” cards have we used?

  33. m March 8th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    If Joba’s mechanics are out of whack, then it’s probably not a conditioning problem.

    Hopefully, Joba can get his work in this week and bounce back.

    Anyone know who’s taking Geno’s place?

  34. blake March 8th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Joba is in a shape..he’s kinda round or oval.

  35. SJ44 March 8th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Pitchers don’t have to look like Olympic marathoners to be effective.

    Good one’s come in all shapes and sizes.

    Its about repeating your mechanics, location, and consistency.

    If you can do that, you can look like a circus and you will be pitching in the major leagues since good pitching is very hard to find.

  36. pat March 8th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    “Anyone know who’s taking Geno’s place?”

    Steve Donahue is still there.

  37. Erica - always OPPC March 8th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    After the injury evaluation problems the team has had in the last year (specifically CMW)-

    I would bet the Yankees be extra cautious with anyone who says “Ouch”. Especially during ST when things really don’t matter all that much (at least at the start)

  38. Erica - always OPPC March 8th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Ugh- “Consult with Dr. James Andrews”

    Is there a more dreaded phrase in baseball?

  39. blake March 8th, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    I think Joba’s problems stem from an inability (thus far) to excute a game plan as a starter. He has two gears..overdrive (which he uses in relief) and cruise control which he has used as a Starter.

    To be a good starter in the big leagues you have to have several different gears and know when to shift into which one. Maybe its something he can learn or maybe he just needs to be placed in a position where he doesn’t have to think about it.

  40. blake March 8th, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    SJ,
    You are right. Joba actually has a similar body type to Clemens but because you don’t hear about the legendary workouts people assume (because of the seemingly lack of stamina )that he’s out of shape. I’ve never stood beside him as you have but I think that’s the observation people make. I tend to think his problems stem from not understanding how to pace himself correctly and boneheaded pitch selection and location which both could be explained as inexperience.

  41. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! March 8th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    pat I agree with the conditioning between the ears theory. Joba wouldn’t be the first and he certainly wouldn’t be the last.

    SJ, in terms of the 5th starter, I will tell you what I told blake when he said he didn’t believe that anyone believed that anyone was in serious contention for the 5th starter position other than Hughes and Joba.

    “blake, quite a few of us have said we believe it to be an open competition, even though it might be Joba’s or Phil’s to lose in terms of the long-term interest. Is it hard to wrap your mind around that? How about if both fall flat on their faces? Do you think one or the other would be chosen?

    Neither do I, lol.”

    SJ, since Cashmand and Girardi have both seen Hughes and Joba fail in the starter role, if you think that either could end up with an horrendous ST – not saying they will – and be put in the 5th starter spot, then you are the one buying the bridge. The Yankees are in the game to win, not to please people who want to see things happen a certain way. They’ve changed their own game plan many times when things didn’t sift out the way they thought they would.

    While it may be Joba’s and Phil’s to lose it, if they don’t produce this spring, they WILL lose it.

  42. CB March 8th, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    “Groin injury. Dodgers seem prepared to go with 28 year old rookie, AJ Ellis at catcher until Martin returns.”

    Carlos Santana is a 24 year old catcher with the Indians. Santana put up a .940 OPS last year in AA. He is widely considered to be one of the 10 best prospects in baseball. He can hit and there isn’t much question about his ability to stay behind the plate.

    Santana has a real chance to be the Indians starting catcher this year.

    The Indians didn’t draft Santana, however. They got him in a trade. From whom?

    The dodgers of course.

    Santana was the prospect that Colletti traded for the immortal, “veteran” Casey Blake.

  43. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! March 8th, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    “Its best to see what happens over the entire spring before rushing to judgment on any player.”

    A-FLIPPIN-MEN!

  44. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 8th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    SJ, fair enough about injuries. I have no idea what kind of shape Joba is in, so I will lay off of him for that. That said, it’s very annoying that he’s as stubborn as he is – shaking catchers off in ST? IMO, the attitude issue is worse than the physical issue.
    As you can see, I completely agree about the #5 spot – I’m surprised anyone believes this stuff from Joe and Cash.

  45. blake March 8th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Trisha,
    I think I said that I thought Hughes and Joba would both have to be awful or get injuried for one of the other 3 to get the job..meaning that it is possible but unlikely and not what the Yankees would like to happen. Cashman admitted that the team may be better in 2010 with both Hughes and Joba in the pen but then said that wouldn’t make sense for their longterm plans. Why would he say that if they didn’t want either Hughes or Joba to win the job? That doesn’t mean 100% they will but just the fact that they want one of them to makes them the leaders for the job.

  46. Frank March 8th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    “You are right. Joba actually has a similar body type to Clemens but because you don’t hear about the legendary workouts people assume (because of the seemingly lack of stamina )that he’s out of shape”

    Clemens did NOT have that body type at age 24.

  47. SJ44 March 8th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Trisha,

    Yes, even if both fall on their faces, one of them will be the 5th starter.

    Why? Because its THE best soft landing spot on the roster to develop a young starter and that’s what Cashman and Girardi are committed to doing.

    This is where your lack of understanding how teams operate hurts your analysis.

    Do they want to win? Of course they do. However, they ALSO want/need to develop one or possibly both of these guys as starters and the 5th spot in the rotation is the place to do it.

    Joba was the #4 starter in the rotation last year and finished the year as one of the worst starting pitchers in baseball. Yet, they still won the World Series.

    My point is, you can win with ONE young arm in the rotation scuffling. You CAN’T with two, which is why 2008 bombed and they went out and got Javy Vasquez this year.

    They didn’t get Vasquez, a guy who eats innings, so that Sergio Mitre or Chad Gaudin can be the 5th starter.

    They got him to ease in one of the young arms into the rotation. IMO, that young arm is probably Hughes.

  48. Frank March 8th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    “Carlos Santana is a 24 year old catcher with the Indians. Santana put up a .940 OPS last year in AA. He is widely considered to be one of the 10 best prospects in baseball. He can hit and there isn’t much question about his ability to stay behind the plate.

    Santana has a real chance to be the Indians starting catcher this year.”

    What a hosing that was.

    Santana’s coming off an injury to his wrist I believe. Really see no way the Tribe don’t have him in AAA til at least June, in the spirit of stalling the service time clock, but it appears he will be a player.

  49. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! March 8th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    I wasn’t around for the original “Joba to the Pen/Joba as Starter” discussion here but I was around for some of it since it never seemed to end. As with most things, I didn’t have a dog in the hunt, and I could actually see both sides of the argument. But what comes to mind now is Jorge saying that he belived Joba belonged in the pen. Maybe he was on to something.

    About Phil, I have been on record from the beginning as seeing Phil playing a major role in the Yankee franchise. Because I don’t post about it every other post and roll up in a ball if there seems to be a misstep doesn’t mean that I haven’t stood by my position. In fact Pat M and I had a discussion about it because I said I saw Phil as the future face of the franchise, and he thought it might be putting too much pressure on Phil to be thought of in that way.

    I still see Phil playing that role. However the only unknown in my mind is when it happens. If he loses out on the 5th spot or goes to AAA or anything else, I still believe that his time is going to come.

  50. Phil the Thrill March 8th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    24 year olds who can put up .940 OPS in AA, shouldn’t be in AA.

  51. blake March 8th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    Frank,
    Ok the 38 yro Clemens had that body type but still nobody questioned whether he was in shape because of how hard he worked.. I have no idea how in shape or out of shape Joba is.

  52. Frank March 8th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    “24 year olds who can put up .940 OPS in AA, shouldn’t be in AA.”

    He’s not 24 for another month, but you have a point. He looks to be the real deal. I love guys who walk more than the strike out, and Santana has done that and done it with 20+ homer pop. Tribe robbed the Dodgers blind on that one.

  53. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! March 8th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    blake, I think we might be saying the same thing.

    Because both Phil and Joba have failed as starters in the past, Cashman and Girardi are not going to guarantee either a spot in the rotation. Nor should they. While it may be either’s spot to lose, it is there to be lost.

    Only an IDIOT would think that one or the other could come out of spring training pitching poorly – and I mean poorly – and the Yankees would still keep them in there. Phil’s been in the 5 spot before, pitched poorly, and landed at AAA. At the age of 23, he is hardly over the hill.

    ************

    SJ, you also said last year that the team would NOT be bringing Damon back – and they did (or according to you this off season they at least tried.) So your analysis isn’t always spot on either.

  54. LGY March 8th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    JohnC
    March 8th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    Before anyone gets their hopes up about Logan, remember Billy Traber was lights out in ST a couple of years ago, and when the season started he was a disaster.

    ———————————-

    Boone Logan is a talented pitcher that was handled terribly by the White Sox in terms of his development and his employment from the pen.

    In 2005 he appeared in 25 games. 21 of those were in Rookie A ball and the other 4 in A+ ball. In 2006, the White Sox apparently desperate for a LH reliever put the kid on the big league roster after spring training. After struggling the White Sox decided to bounce him back and forth between the big leagues and the minor leagues for 4 years.

    In his career as a LH reliever he has faced actually 20 more RHB than LHB (good idea right…)

    RH have hit .337/.409/.528
    LH have hit .266/.333/.398

    Logan just needs some stability (instead of bouncing back and forth, rushing his development, etc) and/or to stay away from RH.

  55. CB March 8th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    “24 year olds who can put up .940 OPS in AA, shouldn’t be in AA.”

    It was his age 23 season last year, but your point is well taken. As Frank mentioned, they were being cautious with him last year because he was in A+ in 2008 and got hurt when he was promoted to AA. He only played 31 games in 2008 so there’s an argument for why he was kept in AA for the entire 2009 season.

    Either way, that looks like it will be a good trade for Cleveland.

  56. Bill March 8th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    I wonder where our offense went ?

  57. Bill March 8th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Find myself asking this about the NY Rangers too ! :)

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