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Whoa the trolls were out in force last night. WOW.
In response to Betsy regarding Phillip Humber. As far as I can tell he is still with the Twins. This is the transaction for Johan.
Deolis Guerra (minors), Carlos Gomez, Philip Humber and Kevin Mulvey.
NYPost_Kernan no johnny damon in #Tigers lineup vs #Yankees,austin jackson is leading off 50 seconds ago
SJ44 March 10th, 2010 at 8:43 am
Betsy,
NYYFans.com is a place you should avoid.
All you need to know about the uselessness of the place is they have a thread comparing ST stats between the 2 players.
When you see something like that, you know its a place to avoid.
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SJ –
Similar to this place – or any online forum – there’s going to be some form of idiocy presented regardless of the website. There definitely is some valid discussion going on there at times but like here, you just have to dig through some BS at times to find it.
It’s not a knock on either website, it’s just the way it’s going to be due to the availability of the format. Unless there’s some sort of competency check before connecting to the internet, it will always be this way.
Generalizing the site due to one discussion on ST stats (I’m not sure which thread you’re directly referring to) would be like me drawing a conclusion on lohud from the posts by ‘Melkman hotlanta (sp?)’ last night.
I’m excited about Granderson, but I’m also interested to see how he handles the April adjustment period, Vazquez as well. In 2004, Vazquez was one of the few Yankees in recent memory to be excellent in his first month in pinstripes. Of course, if the Yankees get off to a fast start, it will be a lot easier for them.
SAM YOU ARE THE MAN….GET RID OF CHAD!
the yankees have a very tough schedule to start the year
boston
tampa
angels i believe are the first 3 series
humber is not with the twins, hes with the royals
There appears to be no radio or TV feed for today’s game.
Is that right ?
I’m interested as to why the Yanks are giving Vazquez so much 3B time, lately? Is this an attempt to make him more appealing to other teams, or just making him a more versatile player for the Yanks? Will make watching Scranton even more interesting this season.
MTU
March 10th, 2010 at 9:05 am
There appears to be no radio or TV feed for today’s game.
Is that right ?
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MLB.com has it available on MLBTV. The audio icon should be up later. If it is and anybody needs updates, I’ll stick ‘em up on the board.
So Humber was traded? His bb reference page wasn’t updated.
IMO, one of Mitre or Gaudin, or both will be gone by the end of ST.
there is simply no room for both of them if you accept what’s below :
CC
AJ
AP
JV
PH/JC
Mo
Marte
PH/JC
Robertson
Aceves
Park
Gaudin/Mitre/Logan
Gaudin and Mitre both are out of options.
If however either JC or PH is sent to AAA then this might work:
Mo
Marte
Robertson
Park
Aceves
Gaudin
Mitre/Logan
If Robertson can share 8th inning duties with Marte perhaps the Yankees could send PH or JC to AAA ?
Just a thought.
And if Logan continues to do well I favor him over Mitre but Logan can go to AAA I believe ?
GB-
Muchas gracias Senor.
What do you think of the pitching ideas I posted above ?
Girardi (substitute) teaching the young catchers the fine points of the position:
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....di_13.html
But after a few pitches, Girardi hastily raised his left hand, a signal to Merrill to hold his fire. Girardi, a veteran of 1,247 big league games behind the plate, saw a problem. Slight variations in Montero’s set-up offered too many hints about whether a fastball or breaking ball was coming next.
“It’s got to look the same,” Girardi said, now huddled over Montero, sweating the 20-year-old about how he held up his glove. “It’s got to look identical.”
“MLB.com has it available on MLBTV. The audio icon should be up later. If it is and anybody needs updates, I’ll stick ‘em up on the board.”
GB7,
Unfortunately, it looks like the game won’t be on MLBTV today. The stations are listed for a few different games today, but unless I’m overlooking something, there is nothing for the Yankees. Hopefully gameday will be functioning.
Hobs,
Fair enough. I just know the times I’ve visited that site they spent more time ripping the team than they did anything else.
GreenBeret7
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MLB.com has it available on MLBTV. The audio icon should be up later. If it is and anybody needs updates, I’ll stick ‘em up on the board.
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That would be for subscribers only, right? and subject to blackout? I’m in Southwest CT. Would love some kind of live feed of the game, somehow.
IMO, Russo needs to stay with the MLB club.
RIP Corey Haim
MTU:
I think Mitre’s spring training is a month long audition for a job in another organization. He’s not going to be a starter here and hasn’t fared well out of the bullpen in limited opportunities (30 games, 6.44 ERA) over his career.
I think he’s either traded for some minor league roster filler or released.
Frank-
Are you as impressed with Russo’s bat as I am ?
If Mitre can consistently induce groundballs, I may prefer keeping him instead of Gaudin.
Rich-
I would have to disagree with you because I think gaudin is more versatile.
But I can understand your POV.
MTU,
The chances of Russo sticking is slim. He can’t play SS.
Can’t be a utility INF on this team and not be able to play SS.
Jweav
March 10th, 2010 at 9:24 am
RIP Corey Haim
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Corey Haim died? That’s too bad
sj44-
have you been over to the rays new facility at port charlotte?
mlb network is doing their 30 teams/30 days and i noticed the pirates in the background so i thought you might have checked it out.
i understand they did a major make over from when texas was there.
it looks like a much improved complex on tv.
MTU
March 10th, 2010 at 9:17 am
GB-
Muchas gracias Senor.
What do you think of the pitching ideas I posted above ?
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As far as trading Mitre or Gaudin, I guess it depends on what the other teams offer for each of them, but, I’d rather keep Gaudin unless a deal is too good to pass up. I wouldn’t send either one to keep Hoffmann so NYY could send him to Scranton, though.
The only way Chamberlain or Hughes goes to AAA would be for injury rehab or total collapse. Logan’s future will depend on injuries/trades and whether he has options.
MTU
GB%
Player A: 59.7 %
Player B: 60.1 %
A is Mitre, B is Wang
Erin
March 10th, 2010 at 9:35 am
Corey Haim died? That’s too bad
************
Drug overdose at 38. Another sad story
SJ-
I understand that.
It speaks to the construction of the bench.
There would appear to be 4 places.
Cervelli
Winn/GGBG
Pena
?
Does it have to be Thames/Hoffman for the 4th spot ?
Could they consider Russo instead since he can play some OF ?
Or does Russo stink as an OF’er and they want more pop, as in
Thames or hoffman.
Just toyin’ with some possibilities.
That’s all.
RUSSO – yeah, it may be time to give him a shot. Who’s in consideration for infield utility–Russo,Pena, Corona? Too early for Laird, young and hasn’t been through AA or AAA. Pena has the experience in the Bigs but was rushed and could use more AAA at bats. How does Russo’s defense rate? looks like he doesn’t have much time at short….
Nunez, same, too young
Corona definitely not ready either.
I like that Russo has had a solid year in AAA.
Rich-
That’s impressive.
But does that apply equally well when he throws out of the pen ?
playballnyy
March 10th, 2010 at 9:21 am
GreenBeret7
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MLB.com has it available on MLBTV. The audio icon should be up later. If it is and anybody needs updates, I’ll stick ‘em up on the board.
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That would be for subscribers only, right? and subject to blackout? I’m in Southwest CT. Would love some kind of live feed of the game, somehow.
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Yeah, it’s on MLB-TV.com
“Are you as impressed with Russo’s bat as I am ?”
I like him MTU. Like the way he’s moved up the organizational ladder and improved on his control of the strike zone along the way.
Thing with keeping with the big club, IMO, is that you’re basically condemning him to a career as a utility guy. He turns 26 this July and there is virtually zero chance of him having an everyday job on this team before he’s 30. Barring severe injury, I don’t see the Yankees as a team that’ll have a Willie Aybar/Macier Izturis type utility guy who will get 300-350 or so PA’s in a season.
I like Pena as the utility guy because I think that’s exactly what he is. Russo may serve the Yankees best as a trade chip. There are infields in MLB he can play in, IMO. Heck, there’s one in New York. It’s just not the Yankees. I think Russo is still better off getting everyday AB’s in SWB.
SJ44,
No, don’t back down your original assertion was correct – NYYFans is a terrible messageboard with (mostly) terrible posters.
MTU
It should. The key for Mitre is to bring his BB totals down.
Frank-
Interesting take.
But that’s a lot of bat to give away IMO.
I prefer to keep him unless we could get equal value.
What do you think the Mets, or other would give for a guy like Russo who seems to have a good ML bat and decent glove ?????
Bill Conlin over at the Philly Daily News is calling the Phillies infield the best of the modern era. While they’re very good, they arent better than what the Yankees have. Arod crushes polanco. Jeter beats Rollins. Utley beats Cano handily (although Cano’s career is just starting). And Tex and Howard are probably a wash (when you include defense, as Conlin is).
He didnt include the catcher in his analysis, if he did that would be another yankees win.
http://www.philly.com/philly/s.....n_era.html
SJ, I do avoid certain threads on NYYFans.com. I generally do not post in the Joba thread because the board overall is generally pro-Joba (which I don’t have a problem with) and they absolutely tear into the Yankees any time he doesn’t pitch well. They hate Eiland and blame him for Phil and Joba’s struggles; they blame him for tweaking their mechanics…blame, blame, blame. I’m not sure why some of them are Yankee fans, to be honest, as they seem to really hate the team (I don’t mean disagreeing with them on some points; I mean they seem to hate the team and how it’s run).
I also think some folks are hypocritical.I get called out for being biased towards Phil, but the Melancon love there is through the roof – and he’s not done one single thing in the majors to earn it. They want Melancon to be given a spot and, in fact, were upset that Boone Logan was pitching well (until yesterday) because it meant that maybe he would win a roster spot over Melancon. Some folks actually are rooting for Jeter to have a bad year so he can’t “screw” the Yankees.
I’ve posted there for a long time and have learned to live with their quirks. That said, if I have a baseball question that I want answered, I come here first because I think there are some incredibly knowledgable posters here ( I don’t want to list anyone because I don’t want to leave anyone out – there are too many to name anyway).
Ledger_Yankees ARod says his attorneys are working on scheduling a meeting with authorities. Makes it sound lime they’re talking soon. 9 seconds ago
Rich-
there is a permutation where both Mitre and gaudin could stick.
It is unlikely though.
Glad Joe G is making the call.
I don’t think it’s an obvious one.
Corona’s not that special and Russo’s best positions are 2nd and outfield (though with limited experience). He’s not very good at third base and his range at shortstop isn’t that great.
Randy,
I have been there. They did a nice job with remodeling.
I’ll tell you, Pirates City in Bradenton is impressive. They really did a nice job there with their remodeling a few years ago.
That’s the thing about Pittsburgh. Between their ST site and PNC Field, they have 2 of the nicest facilities in baseball.
If they could ever put together a team that matches the quality of their facilities, they would really have something.
MTU,
The last spot in the bench will be another OF. They aren’t going to go into the season with just 4 OF’s.
Barring injury, either Thames or Hoffman will grab the last spot on the bench.
Rich, that’s a fantastic piece. I think the fact that Joe is not all THAT far removed from his playing days really helps – plus, he’s just a very smart guy. The Yankees are lucky to (a) have an abundance of promising catching prospects and (b) to have men like Pena and Girardi working with them.
GB-
Can’t russo play some OF as well ?
SJ-
I understand but personally I have not been very impressed with either Hoffman or Thames.
But hey, I’m not Joe G.
I like what I have seen from Russo. The kid is a hittah !
GreenBeret7
March 10th, 2010 at 9:07 am
I’m interested as to why the Yanks are giving Vazquez so much 3B time, lately? Is this an attempt to make him more appealing to other teams, or just making him a more versatile player for the Yanks? Will make watching Scranton even more interesting this season.
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Hey GB, It is surprising they are giving Chato this much time at third. From what I heard before, they are hoping he gets hot and wins that 25th spot. He hasnt had much luck in camp. He has a lot of hard hit outs. He could easily be 4 for 8. But thats the way the ball bounces. He has to hit a bomb today. They were working with him on catcher in Instructs also, thats where he started when he signed in the AAA Mexican lg when he was 16. He is not great, but playable at 1b,3b and corner OF. They know he is the real deal with the bat. The other option which might be better for him would be a trade. Either way, I want to see El Destructor heat up!! Peace V
MTU
I don’t think so, barring injuries. Plus, if Melancon shows improved command, I think he should make the team.
Betsy
I think Carig does a good job.
Patrick, I’d better tell you my nickname there; I hope I’m not one of those terrible posters, lol.
I don’t think you ever trade the better player, so IMO, Gaudin stays and Mitre goes.
I would hate to lose Russo; can’t he be taught how to play a servicable SS?
Rich in NJ,
Thanks for the link. As amateur coaches, we all seem to think Jesus is doing fine behind the plate. But that article shows how little we know. It’s the small things that matter; the things we generally have no idea about. With his work ethic, I’m sure he’ll improve in this area.
Hey, y’all!
Did they announce the pitchers for today? Do Joba and Phil aim for 3 innings each?
“Can’t russo play some OF as well ?”
Sounds like he probably can, but he hasn’t done it much. Less than 10 OF appearances in the minors.
MTU
March 10th, 2010 at 9:48 am
GB-
Can’t russo play some OF as well ?
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About 10 games or so. Not many.
Conlin doesn’t sound like someone who knows his baseball if he thinks an INF with Polanco is better than one with Alex. The gap between Polanco and Alex is light years bigger than the one between Utley and Cano.
New Post- A-Rod: Lawyers working to schedule meeting
Montero is doing well behind the plate.
The point is, he’s not ready yet. That, more than anything else, is what you glean from that story.
Some posters want to put him in the majors right now and believe he is “ready”. He’s not.
In fact, I would keep him in AAA all year. Give him another 100 games behind the plate to refine his skills.
He’s only 20 years old. There is no rush.
Frank/Gb-
“About 10 games or so. Not many.”
Maybe he could be developed further.
Unless they get a decent return I don’t think they should trade him.
JMO.
I’ll say something in defense of NYYFans (sort of):
It’s entertaining. It has so many posters that there is going to be wide range of comments.
One problem is that a lot of smart people were RO’d because the powers that be didn’t like people who either set stupid people straight, or didn’t take junk from RS fans.
If virtually everyone that I used to post with hadn’t be banned, I would still post there.
The oddest thing about the forum, however, is that some people go to a baseball site solely to talk politics even though they never post about baseball.
I never understood that.
IMO, there’s no way we see Montero in a ML game this year, UNLESS its the end of september, we’ve clinched the division, have home field advantage, its the 9th inning yanks are winning the game by 10 runs. The kid’s nowhere near ready.
sj44-
just curious, how do they go back and forth between Pirate City and McKechnie Field ?
any practices at McKechnie Field or just games?
CountryClub
March 10th, 2010 at 9:52 am
Rich in NJ,
Thanks for the link. As amateur coaches, we all seem to think Jesus is doing fine behind the plate. But that article shows how little we know. It’s the small things that matter; the things we generally have no idea about. With his work ethic, I’m sure he’ll improve in this area.
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Girardi had three catchers in there, including a 28 year old minor league catcher and they all were being corrected on the same thing. This is the 2nd ST for Romine and Montero. They haven’t had a minor league catcvhing instructor for two years, other than the roving instructor. Montero will for the first time will have an instructor for the full season. Butch Wynegar was one of the better defensive catchers of the 70s and 80s.
betsy-
you asked the other day about someone having a rotational delivery.
leiter on mlb network breaking down strasburg was just talking about strasburg having a bit too much of rotational mechanics in his delivery and he thought they would work on it to get him more over the top as his career progresses.
maybe pure stuff goes with a rotational delivery, but command suffers though strasburg looked very good in his appearance.
“Conlin doesn’t sound like someone who knows his baseball if he thinks an INF with Polanco is better than one with Alex. The gap between Polanco and Alex is light years bigger than the one between Utley and Cano.”
That was a horribly misinformed article. The Phillies infield, even if you exclude C, is easily outpaced by the Yankees. If the author wanted to make an argument for all-time greatness he would have been better off focusing on the right side of the Phillies infield. In 2009, Utley, Howard, Rollins, & Polanco combined for about 60 batting runs above replacement. By comparison the Yankee infield was worth 140 runs above replacement. Factoring in defensive becomes more subjective, but using UZR as an approximation, the Yankee infield was still worth about 3.5 wins more than their counterparts in Philadelphia.
“They haven’t had a minor league catcvhing instructor for two years, other than the roving instructor. Montero will for the first time will have an instructor for the full season.”
gb7-
i didn’t know that.
that just seems wrong.
didn’t gary tuck used to be a roving catching instructor ?
i would have thought they would have continued the practice.
i think most fans would be surprised by how much the coaching drops down at the minor league level.
odd when that’s where they are supposed to learn to play the game right.
i mean how does gardner make it the majors and be a lousy bunter.
in the years before montero got a real catcher coach , he could have been developing some really bad habits that will take time to change.
why pay players hundreds of millions of dollars and then skimp on coaches at the minor league level?
Go Joba!
Go Hughes!
Today what is most important is that each pitcher gets their work in.
Don’t worry about the stats so much fanatics!!!