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Wrapping it up from Lakeland

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc, Podcast on Mar 10, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Say what you want about Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes, but the most interesting thing I saw all afternoon was the catch that Curtis Granderson made on Miguel Cabrera in the fourth inning.

I know that the defensive value of Granderson vs. Brett Gardner is a hot debate, but when Granderson went back – all the way back – to the wall to catch Cabrera’s 410-foot laser, it was something to see. I’ve always been fascinated by the over-the-shoulder catch, mostly because I think it’s amazing that outfielders are able to see the ball, then look away to run, then turn around and find the ball again. Granderson said the keys to the play are getting a good jump and, even more, listening the other outfielders.

On that play, Gardner and Marcus Thames both began by screaming at Granderson to go back – since they’re on an angle, they can see just how deep the ball is hit – and then, as he approached the wall, they both shouted to let him know that he had just enough room to make the catch without worrying about hitting the wall. As it turned out, he finished about one stride away from the fence. Perfect.

“That’s one of those things where everything has to go right,” Granderson said. “It’s a play that’s hard to practice.”

Take a listen to the audio. It’s pretty interesting to hear just what goes into making a grab like that.

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That’s it from here. I’m headed back through the traffic to Tampa. Thanks to everyone for reading today.

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162 Responses to “Wrapping it up from Lakeland”

  1. MTU March 10th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Repost

    Blake-

    “I didn’t get to see the game again today…I saw joba’s line but how did he look for those who saw it? How was his velocity, secondary pitches etc..?”

    Nobody saw it. There was no TV or radio.

    From what i could gather reading the blog he was OK for the first 2 innings but he imploded by the 3rd.

    No idea on velocity or secondary offerings.

    I has been suggested that fatigue was the cause.

    there is audio from chamberlain above so maybe give it a listen.

    I really don’t want to accept it but I am becoming increasingly persuaded by the ideas of some that joba will wind up in the pen.

    I am sure you know from my posts what i think of that.

  2. MTU March 10th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Sam-

    Sounds like a great catch.

    Would have loved to be able to view it. :(

  3. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 10th, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    Maybe MLB Tonight will have highlights? Sheesh, that’s frustrating. Thanks, Sam….and yay for Curtis for making such a fine grab!

  4. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 10th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....termobile/

    LOL I would love to see a clip of this – and Jeter with the great line

  5. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 10th, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    Sam,

    That’s one excellent post.

    Outfield defense is under appreciated I think. Catches don’t make themselves. Props to you for the detail on the catch and the other OFers communicating with Grandy.

  6. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! March 10th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Sam, maybe it’s because I’ve taken full advantage of my ExaInnings subscription and done a lot of extracurricular watching, but I’ve always thought Granderson’s defense was terrific. I have seen him make all kinds of great catches. That’s why any concern about his defense always has me scratching my head.

  7. Carl March 10th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Funny how Austin Jackson is getting all this love after he leaves the Yanks.

  8. Awais March 10th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    JOba = Pen.

    Phil = Starter.

    lets move on.

  9. Awais March 10th, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    Joba is such a !!!!! he always makes excuses for everything…he can give up 6 runs..and say some bs like” i was hitting my spots..they were hittin the ball.”

  10. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    Confidence is really important in anything you do in life. I think Granderson’s may have waned a bit last season. I think it’s back.

  11. Joba in the pen March 10th, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    Does anyone know among Winn, Swisher and Granderson who has the strongest arm? Didn’t list Gardner, his arm is weak.

  12. blake March 10th, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    MTU,
    I didn’t know it wasn’t on anywhere. I just saw the highlights on MLB network and they were grainy and taken from behind homeplate so you really couldn’t tell much.

    How can the Yankees expect people on blogs to make accurate evaluations with this kind of coverage ;)

  13. jbanks March 10th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    any video of the catch available?

  14. JohnM March 10th, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    Joba wasn’t sharp from the start. He often touched 92mph on the scoreboard radar and hit 93mph at least once. In typical fashion his control was all over over the place and just can’t put batters away when he is ahead on the count.

  15. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! March 10th, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    I know it isn’t Winn.

  16. Rose March 10th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Joba to the pen.
    Hughes 5th starter. The only thing I am concerned about is what is his innings limit.

  17. blake March 10th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Thanks JohnM, I guess you were at the game. I asked about his velocity because its much more important to his success than it is for Hughes IMO.

  18. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    I don’t worry about ST velo.

  19. blake March 10th, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    Rich,

    I don’t worry about ST velocity either, especially the first couple of outings but Joba started out 90-92 last spring and stayed there all season. He doesn’t have the command to be successful there.

  20. blake March 10th, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    Rich,

    I don’t worry about ST velocity either, especially the first couple of outings but Joba started out 90-92 last spring and stayed there all season. He doesn’t have the command to be successful there whether it be starting or coming out of the pen.

  21. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 10th, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    Joba referred to his hitch a couple of times in that interview with the media.

    I guess it’s creeping back in there again.

    If Joba’s delivery can’t get straightened out, the dumbest thing in the world would be to put him in the BP. If he continues to have that irksome pause, and other mechanical issues, send him to AAA and let him work, with guidance, in peace there.

    Putting the guy in the bullpen is the dumbest solution in the history of the planet earth.

    It only makes sense if he’s damaged and can’t endure starting.

  22. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    blake

    We’re hoping that was the result of the arm strength deficit from the shoulder injury, and that by May, he will average something close to 95 mph as a starter, just like he did in 2008 prior to the injury.

  23. blake March 10th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    Rich,

    That would be nice. We’ll see I guess.

  24. Doreen - 2010 GTLU March 10th, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    Sam -

    Great post.

    I guess I never realized, even after all these years of following baseball, that there would be communication among the outfielders to assist each other in catching a fly ball, other than “I got it, I got it.”

    I was out all day today, and will be out most of the day tomorrow. I tried to catch up on what I missed today. I’m dizzy!

    Pat M – I’m glad you appreciate the ladies, and really always knew that you did. I am the one that gave you some guff for the “locker room talk.” But I always know that you are very fair-minded. Your posts – you have to teach me how to say so much in so few words!

    SJ44 – As far as ST goes, I am in your camp 100%. I simply don’t understand the hysteria and worry that goes on. Some things just seem intuitive to me, common sense, and it surprises me that others don’t see it the same way. However, people do see things differently and process things differently and that’s what makes the world go ’round. I envy you that you are able to back up your statements with actual experience and “inside” information. It validates my intuition. Selfish, no? (For me, that is.) :)

    We have some strong personalities here, with strong feelings who definitely see things their own way. I don’t always agree. But it is immaterial whether I agree. This is a forum where people are allowed (and encouraged, even) to let it all out there. I learned the hard way that sometimes you really do need to scroll past the emotional hot buttons.

    Oh, also, Sam, thank you so much for addressing the issue of what Phil and Joba were told to do during their time on the mound today. It is unbelievably important to realize that they have a job to do, and that job does not necessarily have anything to do with what we as fans expect or want to see. Perspective. Perspective is so important.

    In about 2 weeks, things will start gearing up for the start of the season. Things will begin to fall into place; the regulars will begin playing together and establishing a rhythm. And they will be ready. This is a good team. Don’t let ST “results” get you off that most important thought. This is a good team.

  25. randy l. March 10th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    “This is a good team.”

    doreen-

    if the team stays relatively healthy, this may be a great team.

  26. Rick March 10th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    Props to Nick Swisher for going to Dave Eiland last summer in search of learning a better grip to get more on his outfield throws and it showed beginning last August.
    He still doesn’t have a cannon for an arm but a year ago he was slightly above Damon’s noodle arm.
    Now he has something close to major league average.
    Granderson has the stongest throws and Winn is behind him.

  27. Doreen - 2010 GTLU March 10th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    Bodhi -

    I am with you. If Joba’s problem is something that can be coached, then the best thing for the Yankees to do is to send him to their instructional league to get the coaching he needs.

    They really don’t need a less-than-good Joba out of the pen. He will get exposed there as he got exposed as a starter. Fix it and you either have a great starter or a great reliever; don’t fix it and you have a guy who can’t start but who is mediocre out of the pen. Joba’s better than that, I think.

  28. Doreen - 2010 GTLU March 10th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    randy l -

    trying to stay away from superlatives just yet! :lol:

  29. pistol pete March 10th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Mitre for 5th starter, Phil to the pen, Gaudin the long man. Joba still has options, he goes down until mid April until someone goes bad or gets hurt which is inevitable. That’s the way it should go down, let’s see if the Yankees have the guts to do it.

  30. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 10th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    John, how’d Phil look? Thanks!

  31. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 10th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    I don’t understand how tendonitis could lead to a reduction in velocity; I thought tendonitis is supposed to be no big deal. Joba seems like a mess. I can’t imagine he’s stupid, but he’s stubborn (which is annoying as heck) and his mechanics /command seem always out of whack. I agree with those who say that putting him in the pen isn’t the solution to his issues. First, send him to AAA – it’s not the end of the world (Doc Halladay went to A ball and revamped his whole pitching style). Second, that’s what the minors are for; it’s not fair to the team and not fair to Joba to expect him to fix his problems up here, where the pressure to win is all encompassing. That said, Joba has to get his head on straight or nothing the Yankees do will work. I don’t know if he thinks he knows more than the Yankees, but whatever it is, his attitude needs some adjusting.

  32. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    “Mitre for 5th starter, Phil to the pen, Gaudin the long man”

    If a non-Phi/Joba candidate is going to win the 5th starter spot (which would be really, really dumb, imo), Aceves is in the lead.

    btw, Phil has options too.

  33. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 10th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    As Abigail Adams wrote to her husband: ” I beg you to remember the ladies”.

  34. blake March 10th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Actually the gutsy thing to do is to let a young pitcher pitch out of the 5th spot, allow them to struggle and learn and then reap the benefits in the future.

  35. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Betsy

    Tendinitis is a catch-all diagnosis. It can be anything from inflammation to a tear.

  36. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 10th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Rich, thanks. Boy, that’s depressing that a relatively minor injury could do such lasting damage. Blake, I agree…

  37. Azaz March 10th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    anyone know when single game tickets go on sale?

  38. SJ44 March 10th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    There isn’t any lasting damage.

    There was nothing wrong with his velocity today.

    It’s his second spring start, first that he wasn’t coming off the flu, and he’s hitting 82.

    Actually, that’s good considering he’s still working on his mechanics.

    There is nothing wrong with his arm.

    It’s March 10. Let the breathe and build up his velocity, pitch count and stamina.

    That’s what ST is for.

  39. SJ44 March 10th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    Meant 92, not 82.

    Way too much analysis for a March 10 game.

  40. JohnM March 10th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Granderson has made a couple of nice throws from CF this Spring. Clearly he has our strongest arm in CF by far. As far as Hughes vs. Joba after Hughes left the mound today I said if this is Boxing it’s Hughes over Joba by a TKO. Phil he simply more polished and confident in the starters role than Joba. Hughes gave up an HR and two other hits while striking-out two today but overall for his second outing of the spring I view it a positive. OTH Joba just hasn’t shown much of anything so far. He looks like he has no confidence on the mound.

  41. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    “There isn’t any lasting damage.”

    There is no way that we know this, and we won’t know it until he is the starter he was in 2008.

  42. Erica - always OPPC March 10th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    SJ44-

    WE MUST WIN THE GRAPEFRUIT LEAGUE PENNANT!!!!!

  43. Joe from Long Island March 10th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Hi all –

    We went to Lakeland last year ST, it’s a beautiful ST, minor league ballpark. They served strawberry shortcake in the stands, and had kiosks that made grilled chicken sandwiches just like we got in the old time drive-ins.

    Sam – two very interesting posts, about Joba and Phil working as they were told, Girardi’s take, and the Granderson catch. These are the sort of things that I come to this blog to read. Keep it up. And safe driving.

  44. SJ44 March 10th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    That’s not true.

    There is a lot that goes into being a starting pitcher and generating velocity.

    It’s mostly mechanical.

    He had no problems throwing 94-96 out of the bullpen in the post-season.

    If his arm was a problem, he wouldn’t have hit those numbers.

    Today, he was given specific instructions to work the inner half of the plate. It wasn’t about pitching as he would have in a regular season game.

    It’s a drill specifically designed to tighten his mechanics and have better fastball command on the inner half.

    Even with that, he’s hitting 92 in only his second outing.

    If there was something wrong with his arm, he wouldn’t be out there.

  45. blake March 10th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    SJ,
    Agree with everything you just said and no there is no reason to worry about Joba’s velocity right now. However, the point I was arguing earlier was that Velocity is essential to Joba’s effectiveness. If he doesn’t get back to the mid 90′s with his fastball then I don’t see him being very successful in any role. He just doesn’t have the command or pitching know how to get by without the heat at this point in his career IMO. Velocity isn’t an issue right now but it will be soon if it doesn’t return just as it was last year.

  46. mick March 10th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    WHY WOULD nOMAR RETIRE AS A rs, WHEN HE DOGGED THAT TEAM.

  47. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 10th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Joba’s velocity does not matter if his fastball is straight as an arrow like it was in the playoffs last year.

    If he has life on it and explodes on hitters like it used to IMO that is much more important.

  48. SJ44 March 10th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Erica,

    so true. LOL

    Every game counts and every stat counts.

    I keep forgetting that. Thanks for reminding me.

  49. mick March 10th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Joba can only be used as a Robo-reliever. Don’t know if he can handle the mental rigors of closing.

  50. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    “That’s not true.

    There is a lot that goes into being a starting pitcher and generating velocity.

    It’s mostly mechanical.”

    Of course, it’s true. I have had shoulder problems. MRI technology has not reached the point where they can distinguish between a small tear and inflammation. Doctors make their best guess based on clinical experience and what radiologists tell them, but there is a degree of uncertainty. To say otherwise is false.

  51. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    “He had no problems throwing 94-96 out of the bullpen in the post-season.”

    He used to throw 99-100 out of the pen, and his slider has nowhere near the tilt it had a couple of years ago.

    Are mechanics an issue? Almost certainly, but to say that anyone knows with 100% certainty whether there is lasting damage is not factual.

  52. mick March 10th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    How do you baby a Joba who just blew people away in 08? No wonder the guy is a basket case. Get him back where he came from, an animal out of the pen!

  53. blake March 10th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    LGY,
    That late explosion or pop on a fastball comes with arm speed…so does velocity.

  54. mick March 10th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    I pray he will revert to his old self when he comes from the pen, as he did in last years post- season.

  55. SJ44 March 10th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Blake,

    If he is throwing 92 on March 10, his velocity isn’t going to be an issue.

    Right now, he has to clean up the hitch in his mechanics. That’s the pressing issue at this time.

  56. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 10th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    SJ, I was really taking generally about Joba; he hasn’t thrown as hard since the game in Texas. That darn stadium in Texas has been the scene of the best and worst for our kids..

    John, thanks!

  57. mick March 10th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    No think, no fuss, that’s the Joba I know.

  58. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 10th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    I think most of us know that ST means very little. If it did, why aren’t those stats on the back of baseball cards?

  59. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    ST is just that, training in the spring (really winter, but whatever).

  60. Doreen - 2010 GTLU March 10th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    What was Joba’s injury history in college?

  61. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 10th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Phil, I believe, has always been a pretty mature kid; I look forward to his development as a starter whenever that happens because he has the stuff to succeed for a long time. All I do is pray for good health – for Phil and the rest of the team (and for all teams).

  62. SJ44 March 10th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    Rich,

    Slider tilt has nothing to do with an arm injury.

    That’s all mechanics.

    A 1-3 MPH difference is not arm injury related.

    That’s the mechanical difference of having no hitch and having a hitch.

  63. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 10th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    blake,

    Yeah there is definitely some overlap. But a lot of it is also mutually exclusive. Joba was throwing 96-97 in the playoffs but his fastball was flat and straight as an arrow. You can also throw 90-92 and have movement and life. The best Joba obviously combines both, but personally I am more concerned with movement than his velocity going into the season.

  64. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 10th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    I also found Girardi’s comments that Phil trusts what he and Eiland are saying very telling. I think that implies that Joba does not…

  65. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 10th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    I just got through listening to Sinatra’s New York, New York. Seriously, if that doesn’t put you in the mood for Yankee baseball, I don’t know what will. Now that I’ve just listened to My Way, I feel like I can take on the world, lol

  66. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 10th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    mick
    March 10th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
    I pray he will revert to his old self when he comes from the pen, as he did in last years post- season.

    ————————

    He was not his old self in last years post-season.

    If he is in the BP next year and pitches like he did then he won’t even be the 7th inning guy, let alone the 8th inning guy.

  67. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 10th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Joba was not that good in the playoffs, even out of the pen, so I think it’s a mistake to assume he will be great if he is put back there. He’s got some things to deal with as a pitcher that have nothing to do with his role.

  68. blake March 10th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    SJ,
    I agree that his delivery is the focus with Joba because IMO that is where the loss of Velocity and inability to repeat his motion have come from. I’m not as confident that the mid 90′s Joba will reappear though as ST moves along. He was throwing 90-92 last spring also and stayed there all season. Let’s hope you’re right and I’m wrong..

  69. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    SJ44

    When a pitcher, prior to an injury, was averaging 95 mph and topping out at 99 mph as a starter, and subsequent to the injury the velocity didn’t return, I believe in the most obvious explanation: that the injury is at least partially responsible.

    David Cone said the same thing, although he thinks his arm strength will return this season.

  70. mick March 10th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    If he is in the BP next year and pitches like he did then he won’t even be the 7th inning guy, let alone the 8th inning guy.
    =============================================================
    I’m sure we can fetch a few good prospects or even Crawford in a deal for him if that happens.

  71. mick March 10th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    David Cone said the same thing, although he thinks his arm strength will return this season.
    —————————-
    Is Cone coming back?!?

  72. SJ44 March 10th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    I think it’s a mistake to look at last season’s limited bullpen work and make any predictions on Joba.

    If you do that, than what about Hughes? He was worse than Joba in the post-season. Why not draw the same conclusion based on him.

    New year, new possibilities for everybody.

  73. champ809 March 10th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    I guess many of you guys didn’t bother to read the previous post as Sam explained very simply what the directives that both Joba and Hughes were given by Girardi and Eiland and how that played into their outings today.
    For instance in Joba’s case the Yanks wanted Joba to work on his fastball command on the inside part of plate. The runs he gave up were due to him forcing that pitch in those situations. Maybe in a real game where he’s not working on a particular pitch he elects to throw a different pitch and the results are different.
    Same thing with the homer Hughes allowed. As he said himself in a 1-1 count Gen.Joe and Eiland wanted him to throw a changeup and he got taken deep whereas he said in that situation in a real game he would have thrown a cutter….

    which brings us back to the larger point that this is the first week of ST and it’s not about results yet…..It’s about getting loose,getting the muscle memory back and getting into game shape…and in the case of some like Phil,Joba,Grandy,Swish it’s about working on specific weaknesses in your game to become better.

  74. mick March 10th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    Clemens, Cone, Wells,Mussina and El Duque…that would be a good 5.

  75. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 10th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Yes, it’s a new year..but is it a new Joba? Shaking off catchers in ST?

  76. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 10th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    Ok Champ, then how do you determine the #5 starter? Phil has the more difficult job as he has to work in his change while competing to win. How does he do that? He’s going to throw some good changes and some bad ones – and his bad ones will be hit.

  77. mick March 10th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    Joba was not awful in the post-season. He was good enough. Not the old Joba but somewhat effective.

  78. Erica - always OPPC March 10th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    leaving work now-

    Good night everyone :-)

  79. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    Betsy

    They know who the want to be the 5th starter.

  80. mick March 10th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Phil is the 5th starter Betsy.

  81. upstate kate March 10th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    so I had espn on while I was cooking dinner (can’t get mlb on the kitchen tv) and they once again brought up the idea of realigning the divisions, due to the unfair advantages of competing w/ the big market teams. My question is, who benefits? I would think the prime beneficiaries would be the Yankees and the Red Sox, b/c if they were in different divisions, they wouldn’t be competing w/ each other, but the weaker teams. Which defeats the purpose. Am I missing something?

  82. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    I don’t know why they bothered to expend so much effort on stretching Joba out last season if they didn’t envision him as a starter.

  83. champ809 March 10th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Joba also last season had many starts where he dialed his 4 seamer up 95-97….

    he sat 90-94 but he threw way more 2 seamers last year as a starter as per Girardi and Eiland and went away from his 4 seamer. That I feel is the mistake that they are making with Joba…He’s more in the Verlander mold of 4 seamer,slider,curve as opposed to the 2 seamer…I’d love to see them allow him to go back to featuring the 4 seamer,curve,change and slider and de emphasize some the 2 seamer until he really needs a double play to get out of an inning. If they do that then I think we’ll see the old Joba back.
    As per his own words that’s what he got back to right after the break last year in those 3 starts where he just flat out dominated.

  84. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 10th, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    Night, Erica!

    Rich, I know what SJ said and I generally believe him (actually, I believe him all the time). I just don’t know why the Yankees feel that way. I mean, I know why they feel Phil is a starter, but to want him to win the job? I don’t really get that. If they honestly think Joba is suited for the pen, then just put him there and let Phil have the #5 spot. He pitched poorly in 2008 because he was injured, not because he lacked motivation. I don’t think the Yankees need to worry about Phil slacking off if they were to give him the #5 spot. Do other teams make their stud prospects audition ? I’m under the impression that they give their kids the #5 spot and go from there.

  85. mick March 10th, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    rich

    There was no guarantee Joba would work out as a starter.

  86. joeman March 10th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    come-on all you Joba lovers…tell me how good this guy is…
    should have traded him….OVERRATED!!!!!!!!!!!!

  87. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 10th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    Are there 2 people posting as mick on this board?

  88. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    joeman

    Why do you believe in trading low?

  89. mick March 10th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    The Yanks are doing the right thing giving Joba a shot at the 5th spot. It’s Phil’s to lose but they have 4 front line starters and Joba does have a shot albeit a slim one.

  90. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 10th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    We’ll see, Mick. I’m not counting my chickens before they hatch…

  91. mick March 10th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    no LGY, just my split personality.

  92. mick March 10th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    not a gambler betsy?

  93. blake March 10th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    champ, I don’t think we are basing our discussion on the ST results from today or any other day thus far, at least I’m not.

  94. joeman March 10th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    trading low……just about says it all

  95. Howie Spira March 10th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    Am I the only one who thinks that Joba is an in-bred?

  96. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 10th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    Only when I go to the track, but even then I only bet a couple of $. I’m definitely not a gambler – too conservative with my $$

  97. mick March 10th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    howie spira a funny guy

  98. mick March 10th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    good way to hold onto it betsy

  99. jennifer March 10th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Kate very true. We’d be able to feast on the likes of KC, White soxs, A’s. etc.

  100. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 10th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Mick, I believe in not risking more than you can afford to lose. LOL Of course I can afford to lose more than $2 at the track, but still – I go there to have fun, not because I need to gamble.

  101. SJ44 March 10th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Rich,

    you can always change your mind. Or, circumstances or health issues occur.

    Or, they may (not saying they do) believe he can’t be a consistent and effective starting pitcher.

    Just because they made a decision to try him as a starter, it doesn’t mean they are bound for life by the decision.

  102. champ809 March 10th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Betsy

    If I were making the decisions Joba would be the 5th starter this season for 4 main reasons.

    1- Joba’s optimum value to the team is as a frontline starter for many years to come. Of all the young pitchers we have in the system that are legitimately within 2 yrs of being members of the ‘ro he’s the only one with true #1/ace stuff and ceiling.(I believe Garcia if he can stay HEALTHY for a full year is the only other guy. Phil to me looks more like a 2/2a type guy)
    2- The Yanks,Joba and us fans suffered through the Joba Rules last season to finally get to the point of being able to turn him loose and to turn back now just makes it all a waste last year and imo looks bad as far as our ability to properly develop young pitching.
    3-no matter whom you prefer Joba or Phil the FACT is that Joba has been far more successful as a starter so far than Phil and has earned his oppurtunity this season to take the ball every 5th day for us until he absolutely tanks.
    4-I think the Yanks should also do right by Phil and allow him to develop his change and slider in the proper setting and build up his arm strength as well and be truly ready to take the 5th spot in the ‘ro next season-assuming everyone stays healthy this year- with his full arsenal if you will.

  103. mick March 10th, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    I’m sure you can afford to put $50 on a horse and lose it but the question then isn’t risk, it’s fear of losing (money).

  104. Pat M. March 10th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Bottom half of the 6th, I suspect this will be the last inning for the starters…I want to see this Sanchez kid ???? He’s suppose to be a real good looking prospect…..

  105. mick March 10th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    I hope Sanchez hits one out just so he could crow to his uncle.

  106. SJ44 March 10th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    Champ,

    If Joba keeps throwing like this, he’s not the 5th starter, regardless of what he did last year.

    Hughes is already throwing his changeup well now. You don’t need a year to master the pitch.

  107. Abe Peterham March 10th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Thankyou to MLB.com,
    MLB.tv,
    extrainnings. YeS. My9,
    Sirius , iPhone MLB, for no audio or video of game today…

  108. blake March 10th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    “If Joba keeps throwing like this, he’s not the 5th starter, regardless of what he did last year.”

    Actually, the only reason they are having this competition is because of what Joba did last year…

  109. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    SJ44

    I agree with that. But I think they went into ST with the idea that Joba would be the 5th starter. Top of the rotation starters are so expensive. If Joba and Hughes can be that, it would obviate the need to keep paying starters over 30 $16-$23m a year. Cash’s plan was to grow his own.

    But yes, they could change their mind.

  110. champ809 March 10th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    another misconception is that the Yanks are “trying” Joba out as a starter.

    Joba IS a STARTER, ALWAYS WAS A STARTER,WAS DRAFTED TO BE A STARTER and was developed in the minors TO BE A STARTER.

    The Yanks “tried” him out as a reliever because he was nearing his innings limit for the season and they were going to shut him down but had a need at the ML level for an arm in the pen that season. He was so dominant and his stuff so good they thought it may work and he killed when he got here and that started this whole stupid debate.

    If the ML club’s pen was better that year and they just shut him down we would never have begun and had to endure this tired debate and Joba would prob be a more polished starter than he is now as he would have had at least another 100+ innings in the minors as a starter under his belt and maybe worked out some of the kinks he’s still working on now.

  111. Pat M. March 10th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    Kratz is catching

  112. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 10th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    Champ, then you and I have fundamental disagreements (which is perfectly ok, lol). I have no thoughts on Garcia – the kid can’t stay healthy and even if he can, he has a ton to prove. I think Phil has tremendous upside.

    Yes, Joba has had better sustained success as a starter, but Phil has only started in stops and starts thanks to injuries. He’s had a few phenomenal games of his own, which I think fans forget. They are so enamored of Joba and his power they overlook Phil (who is capable of striking out hitters – take a look at his #s last year). I guess that’s the lot in life of a kid who doesn’t throw 95. He also has fantastic command – really brilliant command.

    I do not buy the argument that because Joba was in the rotation last year he gets the first crack. I just find it weak – Phil has been groomed as a starter his whole life. Ideally he would have been in AAA last year to build up is innings. If Joba had pitched well last year, then we wouldn’t have this issue – Phil would be the #5 starter. Then again, we also wouldn’t have Javy.

    Yes, Mick – I do fear losing $$$.

  113. SJ44 March 10th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    He’s not playing tonight Pat M.

    Kratz, who will be the AAA catcher, is finishing the game.

  114. champ809 March 10th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    SJ

    alot of starters go their entire careers without mastering the changeup.

    you don’t need a change to be a successful starter either but the point is that Phil still has work to do as does Joba.

    and what exactly do you mean by “if he keeps pitching like this….”? Like he did today in a meaningless ST game?

  115. blake March 10th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    “Joba IS a STARTER, ALWAYS WAS A STARTER,WAS DRAFTED TO BE A STARTER and was developed in the minors TO BE A STARTER.”

    Most pitchers are drafted as starters. They become relievers when either they can’t cut it as a starter or it becomes apparent that they are better utilized in that role.

  116. SJ44 March 10th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Rich,

    I disagree. They went into camp this year hoping Hughes would be the 5th starter and there are a lot of voices in the organization that want Joba in the bullpen.

    The shift in the thinking came over the winter.

    Obviously, they know something we don’t because their mind change re: his role is a big reversal from their position a year ago.

  117. mick March 10th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    blake is correct…see Mo Rivera and Goose Gossage.

  118. Pat M. March 10th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Kratz is just an insurance policy catcher until Tony matures in his 1st season as a Pro ballplayer….

  119. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 10th, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    SJ, if that’s the case, why the ploy ? Why not just put Joba in the pen now and give Phil the #5 spot? Are they afraid of what the mediots will say? You know Francesca and his ilk will bash the Yankees for even giving Joba a chance to be a starter (while displaying incredible ignorance in forgetting he WAS a natural starter – they do the same thing with Phil as well).

  120. blake March 10th, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    “I disagree. They went into camp this year hoping Hughes would be the 5th starter and there are a lot of voices in the organization that want Joba in the bullpen.”

    I don’t know, but I tend to think this is the case as well.

  121. SJ44 March 10th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    Champ,

    you are blinded by Joba love.

    Phil’s changeup is already good enough to use 8-10 times in a start. That’s all it has to be for right now.

    It’s not “meaningless” when you have a hitch in your delivery and you are out of gas, 30 pitches into your outing. Both occurred with Joba today.

  122. champ809 March 10th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    Joba too has been a starter his whole life Betsy.

    and I like Phil too I think that Phil will be great.

    I think the Yanks should be developing both to be in the ‘ro for many years to come.

    It’s not that Joba should have the job JUST because he was in the rotation last year. Joba has over twice as many starts under his belt than Phil and has been better than Phil to date. It should be his job to lose but he shouldn’t lose it in spring training.
    John Lester had a 5.50 era last year in the middle of May…should he have lost his job to Bucholtz just because Bucholtz was mowing ‘em down in AAA and was ready?

  123. SJ44 March 10th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Betsy,

    it’s not a ruse. A lot can happen in the Spring.

    What if one of them gets hurt? The other is stretched out.

    There is no reason to change anything until the 24th, when Girardi will name the 5th starter.

  124. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 10th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    So Phil has a FB, cutter, curve (glad to hear he used it today – he’s got a very good one) and developing change; I love it.

    I am rooting for Joba (even if it doesn’t sound like it at times) because I know he’s basically a good kid with a good heart. Whether he’s in the pen or rotation, he’s got too much talent for him not to be very successful in the majors. It’s a success story for the Yankees if he (and Phil) turn out to be high quality major leaguers

  125. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 10th, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    That’s true, SJ….For a real competitor, they thrive on competition, so while I am making something of a stink over it, I doubt Phil (or Joba) care one way or the other, lol.

  126. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 10th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    It’s nice to hear that Phil’s change is coming along so nicely. He threw some nasty ones to Tex in Texas a couple of years ago…I hate that game; it makes me want to cry, lol.

  127. JohnM March 10th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    I didn’t get a photo of Granderson’s catch today but it was a beauty. It’s 420 in dead CF in Lakeland. Granderson on the dead-run caught it over his shoulder about 410 feet from the plate.

    You can see some photos of todays game at: http://btbfansite.proboards.co.....read=16367

  128. champ809 March 10th, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    SJ

    I’m not blinded by Joba love.

    Your opinion about Phil’s change being good enough to do anything means little…he threw one today that went 430ft.

    What I do love is how for 2 days straight you’ve been of the opinion that ST is about getting loose, getting into game shape and working out the kinks….but all of a sudden Joba gets gassed after 35 pitches and he’s got a hitch and now it matters.

    Joba had a stomach virus a week ago and he’s just getting his feet under him.

    CC got gassed yesterday too if you watched him when he got lit up.

    Joba needs to iron out his hitch just as CC needs to stop colapsing over his backleg and drive through his pitches. But hey that’s what spring training is for.

    Again I am a big fan of both Phil and Joba and want both to be tremendous pitchers for us. Betsy asked my opinion regarding how I’d make the decision and I gave it.

  129. champ809 March 10th, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    Phil also has a slider that was his put away pitch all through high school. After the Yanks drafted him they had him put it in his back pocket and develop his curve and changed his arm slot and made him “taller”.

    I’ve been saying for 2 years now that he needs to incorporate his slider more into his game as I think it was a very “natural” pitch for him to throw. We’ll see.

  130. Giuseppe Franco March 10th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Hey guys, it’s been awhile.

    I’m home today for the first time in three months and I missed my computer dearly.

    It’s nice to be back among the living once again.

  131. Patrick March 10th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    I don’t think it’s a huge issue that Joba was gassed early in his outing. He’s still building stamina, it’s very early in the spring.

    I think long-term Joba is a starter but only if he fixes his mechanics. If he doesn’t do that he won’t be effective as a pitcher, reliever or starter.

  132. pat March 10th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Giuseppe

    Wondering how you’ve been doing. Hope the rehab has been productive and you are feeling good.

  133. upstate kate March 10th, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    GF
    it is nice to see you back, we have been worried about you

  134. Y's Guy March 10th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    like sj and the yankees brass and many others, i was in favor of keeping joba in the rotation to see if he could be a starter. but like sj and apparently at least a few in the yankees hierarchy, although joba didnt pitch badly last season all things considered, i have come to change my opinion on him. he just doesnt look right starting. he doesnt seem like the same guy starting as he did in relief. meanwhile, i think phil learned alot about how to put major league hitters away especially in tough spots last year and im eager to see him work that experience into his work as a starter.

    its a bounty of riches that we are even in this position, how many teams have a guy with chamberlain’s potential who’s not thier #2 or #3 starter already. (he would be the #2 on the mets) but with the yankees, its a legitimate question whether the best place for them to use joba is as a set-up man.

    I have come to think that joba’s makeup just isnt suited to starting but is tailor made for relief pitching.

    still if he winds up in the rotation, i dont expect horrible things, i just think its time to make the switch and see if these guys do belong in the opposite roles than what they had last year.

  135. Doreen - 2010 GTLU March 10th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    Welcome back Giuseppe Franco. You’ve been missed. Glad to see you here. Really glad. :)

  136. Pat M. March 10th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    I try to stay as impartial as possible when the Hughes / Joba comparisons are in vouge, as they have been for the past 3 seasons….Repetition is the mother for success, Joba has so many moving parts that if one is off it simply compiunds the problems….I watched him from the 3 rd row behind the plate in Anahiem last July…..Several observations from that night…..He gets himself in jams and cannot seemingly cannot figure a way out because he will not trust his catcher…..Second, when he gets into the 25 pitch inning mode he’s gassed, I mean he’s sucking for air……I still believe part of his concerns are to be found in his lack of core strength…..Just last week I mentioned that an old time talent scout evaluator said that it’s his belief that Joba is better suited for the bullpen, where he will be called upon to throw 20 pitch inning and get into a routine that is easy to dupilcate……By the way, in the summer of 2003, this very same scout told me that Phillip Hughes was one of the best 5 right hand prospects he’s ever seen ( Southern California )….I was an infield , 3rd base coach for the Connie Mack Elite team that Hughes pitched for…..I’ve seen this kid since he was a PONY League 13 year old…I’m saying he looks pretty the same now as he did then with his mechanics…..MLB scouts were on his trail since his Frosh year at Foothill HS….He’s going to be a Star …..

  137. Tarheelyank March 10th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    GF
    You have been missed, it’s nice to have you back.

  138. Pat M. March 10th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    Mr. Franco welcome back !!! You and Wave return from the winter slumber on the same day, how outstanding…You doing well ????

  139. John in Ohio March 10th, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    Didn’t see the game, of course, but I’d guess that Joba was walking around the mound, grabbing the rosin bag, shaking off signs, nibbling at the corners.

    Joba is a beast when he gets the ball, gets the sign, throws the pitch.

  140. John in Ohio March 10th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Joba will be the set up man, and when Mo retires he’ll be the closer.

    That’s the way I see it.

  141. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than the ARod HGH mob) March 10th, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Here’s my take on Joba starting or relieving, coming off a championship season, where he wasn’t pitching exceptionally well from the BP, the Yankees have an option, and I think the smartest thing they can do, is have him work off the glitches and hitch at AAA, a mth. into the season have him work there, b/c the BP w/ or w/o him can survive, Hughes in on an innings cap, he can’t start this season out of the rotation, last season off a a torn rotator, the most important thing about controlling Joba’s innings was for him to stay healthy, and they did that w/ both Hughes and him.

    So yes that’s my thoughts on this, if the glitch is a problem send him to Scranton till he gets fixed, b/c right now starter or reliever he won’t be the same if he has a lingering hitch.

  142. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 10th, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Giuseppe Franco
    March 10th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
    Hey guys, it’s been awhile.
    I’m home today for the first time in three months and I missed my computer dearly.
    It’s nice to be back among the living once again.
    ====

    Best wishes, Giuseppe.

    Glad you turned up and are doing well.

  143. Patrick March 10th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    Pat M,

    Awesome analysis, as always. I’m still a big proponent of Joba as a starter and thats where I think he’ll be in 2011 but so many people are opposed to that view, they could all be right.

    Guiseppe,

    I don’t recall reading on the blog what you are going through but I hope you’re feeling well! Nice to see you back around here.

  144. Patrick March 10th, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    Brandon,

    I kind of agree with you actually. His mechanics have basically been a mess since the injury in Texas in 08. If he can’t fix them before spring is over, it might do him go to spend a month in Scranton. It might also be a wake up call for him because I’m starting to question his make-up a bit.

    By the way, he did not tear his rotator cuff in 2008, just tendinitis.

  145. MTU March 10th, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    G. franco-

    I have asked about you numerous times.

    Missed your posts.

    Hope you are well.

    Welcome back.

  146. Pat M. March 10th, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    Patrick, My take is that the Yanks are a little concerned about Rivera, and it’s easier to fix Joba for a one inning stint than a reliever right now…I would hope they would revist Joba in 2011 as a starter….Then again it’s still March 10th, but I do think Hughes has always been the blueprint starter in the Cashman ( in charge ) era…..Twins really wanted Hughes more than anyone else including Wang and Joba

  147. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than the ARod HGH mob) March 10th, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    And for the ppl that say he is a closer, the Yankees are going to have enough options for the 8th inning, if Joba is a CL and only that, I don’t see him sticking, he will likely get traded for Josh Johnson if this keeps up.

  148. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 10th, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    Joba has fantastic arm speed. They’ve been trying to have him better support it with more of a foundation, but that hitch just slowed down his arm and hasn’t really produced better location.

    They can’t tweak him but take away what’s special about him. There’s got to be a solution that doesn’t involve giving up on him as a starter. Making him a short reliever at this point is basically irrevocable. He’ll have to work twice as hard, and backwards to ever get back up to starting.

    Let’s see how Joba does in his next couple of outings. Maybe there have been further adjustments (this kid has been tweaked a lot).

    If Joba’s issues are strictly mechanical, ship him back to Nardi with a “fix me” sign on him.

    Nardi and Joba have done it together before. It makes a helluva lot more sense than banishing what could be a future of frontline pitching in that arm to a flash of lightning in the bullpen.

  149. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    They would trade Joba for Josh Johnson yesterday.

  150. Y's Guy March 10th, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    one last thing about my opinion on the joba situation is this, the decision is only being forced by the fact that the yankees have 2 guys who should really both be the 5th starter. if not for phil, id be 100% behind continuing to see if joba can be a starter and keeping him in the rotation. so if an injury comes up in ST and one of the starting 4 can’t go, then by all means, put both phil and joba into the rotation until the decision has to be made.

  151. Y's Guy March 10th, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    totally agree with rich, if they could get johnson for joba, why isnt josh in pinstripes today?

  152. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than the ARod HGH mob) March 10th, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    Patrick thanks for the correction on the cuff. And the Yankees have good options in that BP w/ or w/o him, they have good # 5 SP potential w/ or w/o him, if he has a glitch, fix it in AAA and if his ceiling in NYC is SU man, he’s getting traded, his biggest value to Brian Cashman is as an ACE if Joba can’t be that Cashman will trade him, don’t think he won’t Yankees fans, one call to the Marlins, hey guys I got Joba Chamberlain cost controlled for Josh Johnson you interested, we’ll throw in a catching prospect too, Josh Johnson becomes a NY Yankee.

  153. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 10th, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    Brandon Awesome (B/c I’m more AWESOME than the ARod HGH mob)
    March 10th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
    And for the ppl that say he is a closer, the Yankees are going to have enough options for the 8th inning, if Joba is a CL and only that, I don’t see him sticking, he will likely get traded for Josh Johnson if this keeps up.
    ====

    We do have a few bridge options. We don’t have to sacrifice Joba or Hughes on the altar of Mo to get the ball to our deity closer. Others are up to the job.

  154. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than the ARod HGH mob) March 10th, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    “totally agree with rich, if they could get johnson for joba, why isnt josh in pinstripes today?”

    B/c they still believe in Joba, they are giving him a chance. We aren’t desperate for pitching but when the Marlins put Johnson again on the table and they are said to be at odds, if Joba isn’t figured out by then don’t think he will last in NY.

  155. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    The Marlins wouldn’t make the trade even up.

  156. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than the ARod HGH mob) March 10th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    “The Marlins wouldn’t make the trade even up.”

    Add a position prospect, they’d make it in a heartbeat, cost controlled Ace pitcher, heck look what they traded Miguel Cabrera for, that was b/c they couldn’t afford him, Johnson isn’t staying in FLA.

  157. Trevor March 10th, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    Didn’t the Marlins give Johnson a new deal this winter?

  158. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than the ARod HGH mob) March 10th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    It expires after 2011 Trevor.

  159. Rich in NJ March 10th, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    I think the Marlins would want much more, Brandon. As Trevor points out, he’s signed a reasonable contract:

    10:$3.75M, 11:$7.75M, 12:$13.75M, 13:$13.75M

    He’s coming off a 131 ERA+ season. Joba comes with question marks right now.

  160. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than the ARod HGH mob) March 10th, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    2013

  161. Pat M. March 10th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    New Page Folks >>>>>>>>

  162. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than the ARod HGH mob) March 10th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    One thing about those Marlins they don’t keep contracts especially w/ players expressing wanting to leave. Josh has a new contract done, but don’t let that fool you, he’s rumored to want out, that contract is just for security. He guaranteed himself some big money until 2013 no matter what happens.

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