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Notes from Saturday

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc, Podcast on Mar 13, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It remains difficult for me to believe that the Yankees fifth starter won’t be either Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain, but Alfredo Aceves is making a strong case early in spring training.

Through 10 innings he’s allowed one run, and that came on today’s solo homer. He has otherwise allowed just two hits — one of them an infield single — while walking none and striking out five. We’re talking about 10 innings, so the sample size is very small and a lot can change between now and April 1, but Aceves has been terrific.

“It’s been impressive,” Joe Girardi said. “It has been because of the different things he’s able to do with the baseball. Change speeds. Movement. Late movement. Pitch up, down. Change eye level. Change in and out. He can do all of those things.”

Aceves said he’s not paying attention to what the other rotation candidates are doing and he quickly pointed out that there are still 20 games to play. It’s very, very early to start thinking about April 4, but give credit where it’s due.

Here’s Girardi, giving a lot of that due credit.

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• Sounds very much like Girardi is leaning toward Nick Johnson as the No. 2 hitter. “Nick really fits that bill being the on-base percentage guy,” Girardi said. “But we have to look at how the whole lineup works. When you look at what Nick does, he really fits that area.”

• I believe Curtis Granderson had to make three plays in left field today. One of them was a pretty tough running catch near the stands. “It was a tough wind and sun day,” Girardi said. “It wasn’t an easy day to play left field so I thought he looked good.”

• Boone Logan pitched another hitless inning that included two lefties. Royce Ring also pitched a scoreless inning of relief and Dave Robertson struck out the side in his inning.

• Good day for the big league regulars: Jorge Posada had three hits, Nick Johnson, Robinson Cano, Derek Jeter and Mark Teixeira had two each, and Alex Rodriguez, Nick Swisher, Curtis Granderson and Brett Gardner each had one.

• Francisco Cervelli went 2-for-3 in his return from a concussion. He had a hit in his first at-bat since getting hit in the head a week ago.

• Aside from pitchers and catchers, it’s pretty rare that young guys get to stay home for a spring training road trip, so Ramiro Pena was pretty excited to look at the list for tomorrow and find his name did not have a circle around it. Other position players not going on tomorrow’s trip: P.J. Pilittere, Jorge Posada, Alex Rodriguez, Mark Teixeira, Curtis Granderson and Jamie Hoffmann. Originally, Teixeira was making the trip and Juan Miranda was getting the day off, but that has since swapped with Miranda going and Teixeira staying.

• Pitchers making the trip: CC Sabathia, Jonathan Albaladejo, Zach McAllister, Mark Melancon, Dustin Moseley and Ivan Nova.

• The Pirates starter tomorrow is right-hander Charlie Morton.

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234 Responses to “Notes from Saturday”

  1. CR9 March 13th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    JAROMIR!

  2. blake March 13th, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    Dick K won’t be ready for the start of the season after suffering a set back after 5 pitches. stiffness in his neck.

  3. Giuseppe Franco March 13th, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    Seems like there’s always something going on with Dice-K.

  4. MTU March 13th, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    It’s a roll of the dice with dice K.

  5. MTU March 13th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    And sometimes it comes up SNAKE EYES. :)

  6. CR9 March 13th, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Is it okay to be happy about Dice-K’s latest setback?

  7. Erin March 13th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    Francisco Cervelli went 2-for-3 in his return from a concussion. He had a hit in his first at-bat since getting hit in the head a week ago.

    ***************************
    Way to go, Gazoo!!! :D

  8. m1kew March 13th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    Chad – I know it’s early but do you have any idea how Kroenke and Texeira are doing with their respective clubs?

  9. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 13th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    It is not fit for man nor beast out on Long Island today -wow. I’ve never seen worse conditions, including after snowstorms. In about the span of 10 minutes I saw two police blockades – I believe in one case a tree had fallen across the street and in the other a telephone pole looked iffy. I’m going to ask the same question I asked when I was a kid: when will the sky run out of rain? It’s not even just the rain – the wind is brutal.

  10. Doreen - 2010 GTLU March 13th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    CR9

    Maybe someone will finally take his vulnerability into account when evaluating their starting rotation.

  11. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 13th, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    I can’t believe NJ was being considered for any spot other than #2..

    I still don’t love that Cervelli is playing already, but at least he’s doing ok. I hope they take it very easy with him.

  12. Doreen - 2010 GTLU March 13th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    Betsy -

    It’s just as bad here in central NJ. We have a swing outside that has been okay through every storm so far this winter – it finally got knocked over. It just SOUNDS awful out there. Glad I didn’t have to go out today. :)

  13. Erica - always OPPC March 13th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    Betsy-

    I just lost power for an hour and a half

    My DVR attepts failed earlier cause every 10 minutes there is a giant gust of wind and everything would flicker and the cable box would reboot. So annoying

    I took a nap. And woke up with no power.

  14. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 13th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Doreen, technically I didn’t have to go out as I could have dug something up for dinner. I’m home safely, so it’s ok, but I was probably stupid, lol.

  15. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 13th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Erica, I would think we’re going to lose power at some point as the lights keep flashing. This storm sucks, lol.

  16. Bret the Hitman March 13th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Trisha made an excellent point last thread about the yo-yo effect Phil and Joba have had to endure for numerous reasons. The downside of Phil or Joba winning the fifth spot and losing it must be considered. I don’t think the evaluation is based simply on which one out-pitches the other.

    What they’re really looking at is if one of them can pitch well enough not just to win the job to start the season but to keep the job indefinitely. Can we really say right now that either one looks like a surefire bet to keep a starting role long term starting in April? It had better be a resounding definite surefire can’t miss situation because the yo-yo effect can be demoralizing.

    Aceves is a model of efficiency. He get outs. He throws strikes. He works quickly. He has poise. He has command.

    Most teams in baseball would kill to have him as their fifth starter. Any pitcher who can contribute a high number of quality innings is a commodity in both the short term and the long term. Wins in April matter to me. Wins in May are just as good. If Aceves performs as a starter as I expect him to perform, he’s an invaluable trade chip at the very least so he would NEVER be blocking the kids.

    So what if Joba AND Hughes start the year in AAA to get their innings and find their appropriate roles? Isn’t the whole purpose of the minor leagues to add polish to prospects? Wouldn’t it be nice to get a long look at them down there to see if they profile as a starter or reliever so that when they’re called up, they come up for good and fit the exact role that has been determined for them?

    People who claim that Hughes or Joba have accomplished all they need to accomplish in AAA are assuming that Hughes’ change up is enough of a weapon to make him capable of holding that spot indefinitely. It’s not. It needs work.

    Joba? He looks like Jaret Wright as this point. Let him bomb in AAA. At least they’ll move him to the BP there and when he comes up, it will be as a reliever.

  17. Giuseppe Franco March 13th, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    Nick Johnson is only a viable #2 hitter as long as he stays in the lineup.

    Despite last season, his health has always been his biggest problem.

  18. Doreen - 2010 GTLU March 13th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    Betsy/Erica -

    Our lights have been flickering all day – in fact, as I type this – but thank heavens power still on.

    What a rotten day. At least it’s not snow.

    But I think I’m not driving to LI tomorrow. Unfortunately for my daughter, though, who will have to miss a day of work (internship).

  19. Spring Training Blues March 13th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    I think Aceves has been under appreciated. He has a bit more polish than Hughes and Joba, though he doesn’t have the higher level raw talent. He can pitch and he doesn’t get rattled.

    I love his demeanor on the mound. While he isn’t going to be an Ace pitcher, I don’t think he is a bad choice for a 5th pitcher in the rotation.

    Last year he got burned a bit by being in relief then trying to start a game. After his spot start his effectiveness was not as good. I wouldn’t underestimate him. He was a very good pick up for the Yankees and he played really well in Mexico.

  20. JMK aka The Overshare March 13th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Ace for cy young

  21. Nick in SF in Larkspur March 13th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Mrs. Ace for First Lady of the Yankiverse

  22. Y's Guy March 13th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    what makes aceves any more likely than hughes or joba to hold that spot in the rotation? i still beieve its phil’s to lose and he wont.

  23. Nick in SF in Larkspur March 13th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Pat M, needed your good mojo down at Staples. :mad:

  24. m March 13th, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    I love that Aceves is getting his due. He deserves all the attention he gets. Ever since he got here, especially in his first year, he’s been an afterthought.

    Sure, he doesn’t have the upside that the other highly regarded arms have. But who needs upside when you can pitch, and pitch right now?

    I think last season was the first winter Aceves didn’t play, and it showed in the spring.

    I’m not sure if Aceves played this winter, but whatever he did it’s working!

  25. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 March 13th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Poor Dice-k according to nesn he has a stiff neck, awh!!

  26. Tarheelyank March 13th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    “Chad – I know it’s early but do you have any idea how Kroenke and Texeira are doing with their respective clubs?”
    m1kew

    I thought that was a good question. here is what I found on Texiera,

    4ip, 3 hits, 1k, no ER

    If you click on the stats link it will give you his line.

    http://seattle.mariners.mlb.co.....8;c_id=sea

  27. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 13th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Doreen, it will still be rainy tomorrow, but I think it won’t be at all like this…..

  28. haiku-man March 13th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Aceves ERA is .90 so far, that’s getting in to Mariano territory. I hope he fools everybody and wins the 5th spot.

  29. antisocial scrooge March 13th, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03.....nkees.html

    nice article on jesus

  30. Pat M. March 13th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Nick in SF..Huskies played well, Romar outcoached Montgomery, and there goes the 4th seed in the West…I need the Hoyas & Long Beach State to bail me out…I just took New Mexico State ( + 10 )…Xavier came up empty in the Overtime….I’m concerned about G.Town

  31. SJ44 March 13th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    There is no chance both Phil and Joba start the year in AAA. Zero % chance.

  32. salty buggah March 13th, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    Joba and Phil in triple A, bwahahah stop it you’re killing me.

    I needed a good laugh today.

  33. Pat M. March 13th, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    SJ, Save your breath…..Logic loses out to emotions

  34. Nick in SF in Larkspur March 13th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Sent Joba and Phil to Trenton where they can really air it out without pressure… neither one of them is bumping Igawa from the Scranton rotation… the Scranton Yanks have a rendezvous with Oklahoma City, can’t risk that crown on a couple overrated underachievers.

    :panickyoverreactionface:

  35. Bret the Hitman March 13th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    SJ44
    March 13th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
    There is no chance both Phil and Joba start the year in AAA. Zero % chance.

    ………..

    This coming from the guy who just this off-season claimed NEITHER Phil nor Joba would be sent to AAA to start the year. I can see your stance has changed. If you felt as strongly as you did a few months ago when we debated this idea, you’d say ‘There is no chance EITHER Phil OR Joba will start the year in AAA. Zero % chance’. You backtracked. That’s ok. There’s a zero % chance you or anyone else can be right 100% of the time. Zero % chance.

  36. Bret the Hitman March 13th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    Nick :lol:

  37. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 13th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    I like Aceves and he’s very valuable, but the Yankees are looking to the present and the future. How are they to develop youngsters if we don’t give them a chance? Aceves in the #5 spot is a complete waste.

  38. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 13th, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Wow, Red Sox prospect Ryan Westmoreland is having brain surgery.

    He has some kind of brain malfunction. Forget baseball, this guy is fighting for his life.

    I’m praying for him. Hope some of you will join me.

  39. SJ44 March 13th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    I’m not backtracking at all.

    Both guys will be on the 25 man roster, if they are healthy when they break camp.

    Clear enough for you?

  40. m March 13th, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    That’s just terrible news. Thoughts and best wishes to Westmoreland.

  41. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 13th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Oh wow, the poor kid – horrible news. I pray that he will be ok….

  42. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 13th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    Here’s the link………..wow

    http://wbztv.com/local/ryan.we.....59582.html

  43. Bret the Hitman March 13th, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Complete waste?

    He’s an inning eater. He throws strikes. He gets outs. He outsmarts hitters. He can pitch to contact. He can mix his pitches. He has command of all of his pitches.

    With most rotations, every fifth day the bullpen takes a huge hit. Aceves would give the Yankees an unmatched advantage every fifth day of long innings and rest for the bullpen. I honestly think Aceves could lock down a 4th starter role on most teams in baseball. He’s a starter by trade.

    When Hughes can achieve a higher rate of outs or poorly hit balls with his changeup he can be that starter soon. This very moment, I’m not so sure he’s a lock to both win and HOLD DOWN the fifth spot indefinitely. I really don’t want to see him switched back and forth based on inconsistent performance. That could ruin him.

    Joba? If they don’t send him down it will be because they want him in the MLB pen. I can see Girardi swapping him with Aceves.

    Hughes I can see as first callup as an emergency starter. Injuries happen. Hughes will get his shot in 2010. Just because he doesn’t start the year as the 5th starter doesn’t mean he won’t finish the year that way or be THE GUY in 2011. He’s far more dedicated to his craft than Joba and 10 times a better listener and learner. They’re looking hard at that changeup though. When he gets a shot, I hope they believe it’s because he has the best chance of sticking.

  44. CR9 March 13th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    That’s sad. Thoughts and prayers to Westmoreland and family.

    A couple of questions though, from reading the MLB.com article.

    How did Westmoreland become the 27 overall MLB prospect for MLB.com?

    He has never gone above A ball.

    “He’s sort of the classic five-tool player” is a quote from the article.

    I really cannot think of any right now, but how many white guys in the last few years have even been true 5 tool players?

  45. SJ44 March 13th, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    Doesn’t matter what you see. Girardi has said repeatedly the loser of the competition will set up for Mo.

    Both guys will be on the 25 man roster.

    Ace? His problem is his back, which may not hold up as a starter, and Girardi loves the flexibility he gives him in the pen.

  46. Bret the Hitman March 13th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    SJ44
    March 13th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
    I’m not backtracking at all.
    Both guys will be on the 25 man roster, if they are healthy when they break camp.
    Clear enough for you?

    __________________

    That’s the SJ I know, respect, admire but don’t quite love yet.

    We disagree.

    That’s fine.

    I wouldn’t mind Joba staying with the club if he’s in the pen.

    Have I lost faith in him as a starter?

    The regression last year certainly didn’t do much to raise my expectations.

    You can’t deny the fact that Girardi loves Aceves though. And Eiland’s criteria for the 20% ers seems to describe Alfredo to a tee.

  47. Bret the Hitman March 13th, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    Girardi has said repeatedly the loser of the competition will set up for Mo

    ———

    Well adding one to the pen frees up Aceves.

    Also, did Girardi say what would happen if both are losers of the competition?

  48. Pat M. March 13th, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    It is essential for the Yanks going forward to have Hughes or Joba in the 2010 rotation….There’s a distinct chance that in 2011 that the rotation will consist of CC & AJ…I cannot imagine the club not having at least one of them having pitched in 2010 as a starter…..It just makes too much sense looking ahead…..Cashman’s decree of building a staff from within must take place now, as it’s falling behind schedule…..Wang was a killer, and Joba’s performance in 09 set things back…..You just can’t go into the off season next year hoping to throw another 1/4 billion dollars at starters when the solution is in the organization…..

  49. Y's Guy March 13th, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    prayers for ryan westmoreland and especially for his family

    i had pretty much the same surgery after a hemorrage in 1990. i’ve been fine pretty much ever since. its amazing what doctors can do.

    the neurosurgery unit at albany medical center saved my life.

    i think its harder on the family than the person having the surgery.

    best wishes for him and his family.

  50. David in Cal March 13th, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    I hope all goes well for Ryan. My daughter had brain surgery two years ago at Stanford University Hospital. It was completely successful As Y’s Guy says, it’s amazing what they can do today.

  51. MTS March 14th, 2010 at 1:44 am

    Bret the Hitman says:
    March 13, 2010 at 7:38 pm
    Trisha made an excellent point last thread about the yo-yo effect Phil and Joba have had to endure for numerous reasons. The downside of Phil or Joba winning the fifth spot and losing it must be considered. I don’t think the evaluation is based simply on which one out-pitches the other.

    ——————————-
    I don’t see what you’re talking about. Both have been injured; is that what what Trisha is wooried about? Joba hasn’t been sent to the minors since 2007. Phil started in the minors last yearin the minors but came up when when Wang sucked. I guess I don’t the yoyo effect. Even if there was one, what’s wrong with it.

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