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Two more sent down

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 15, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This morning, the Yankees sent two more pitchers out of big league camp.

Right-handers Ivan Nova and Hector Noesi were optioned the minor leagues, with Nova assigned to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre and Noesi assigned to Tampa. There’s a solid chance Noesi will actually open the season in Double-A, but for now he’s assigned to the High-A roster.

There are now 52 players in big league camp.

Some other notes from my morning at the minor league complex.

• Talked to George Kontos briefly. Coming back from Tommy John, he’s working off a half mound right now but should be on a full mound in a week. His ligament was completely torn in half, and the doctors told him it had probably been torn for more than a year. Might explain his dip in velocity when he came out of college. Right now, Kontos said, his arm feels great. Keep his name in mind. Before the surgery, he was really pitching well last year in Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, and it turns out that was with a bad elbow.

• Jorge Vazquez will open the season in Triple-A, playing 1B, 3B and DH. That probably locks up the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre infield: Juan Miranda at first, Vazquez at either corner, and whichever three 40-man middle infielders don’t make the major league roster (Kevin Russo, Eduardo Nunez, Reegie Corona and Ramiro Pena). The Yankees believe Vazquez has the arm to play third, it’s a matter of agility at the position.

• Despite being optioned to Triple-A when he was cut from big league camp, Wilkin De La Rosa is still expected to open the season in Trenton.

• As a precaution, Alan Horne was shutdown briefly because of soreness in his shoulder, but he should be back on the mound in a matter of days. He and Kontos were both going through fielding drills with the Triple-A group. So were recent major league cuts Kevin Whelan, Kei Igawa and Grant Duff.

• I saw other big league cuts down there — Jeremy Bleich, D.J. Mitchell and Christian Garcia — but I couldn’t tell which group they were with. I’m pretty sure they were all working with the Double-A group, but I can’t be sure. The listed work groups haven’t changed since the players were sent down.

• There wasn’t much to see during the morning drills, but Seth Fortenberry did catch my eye with a strong throw from center field to third base.

• The minor league spring training schedule (sort of) starts on Thursday with intrasqaud games, Triple-A vs. Double-A and High-A vs. Low-A. They’ll do that again on Friday, then played the Pirates minor leaguers on Saturday.

 
 

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57 Responses to “Two more sent down”

  1. randy l. March 15th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    sj44-

    i think competition in spring training for hughes and chamberlain is a double edge sword. yeas, it may motivate them.

    on the other hand, i listened the other day to an interview where david price said this year he can really work on his change up in spring training because he knows he has been told he has a spot in the rotation.

    i know that girardi has said it’s not going to just be about results on who wins the competition , but it can’t make joba or hughes feel good to work on a change up or on pitching inside and get hammered.

    do they really commit to working on a new pitch the way david price is working on his change up?

  2. Ken March 15th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Do some of you really think the Yankees don’t have a plan in place for Hughes/Joba and that they are basing it on who does better against Pirate minor leagurers?

  3. SJ44 March 15th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Randy,

    It hasn’t hurt Hughes so far. He’s throwing the change 10-12 times a start, plus his side work, and its working out well.

    They aren’t using ST results to determine their thinking.

    If they feel Hughes can throw the pitch effectively enough to start, he’s the frontrunner for the position.

    David Price’s issues are far greater than mastering his changeup. He still has trouble with fastball command.

    That’s why he is still scuffling, regardless of how much he lights up the radar gun.

    I don’t think this competition is hurting either guy. Even Joba threw the ball much better in his last outing until he ran out of gas. Probably threw it freer in a ST outing than he has in 2 years.

  4. CountryClub March 15th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    In 3 weeks we’ll be talking about the result of a regular season game. I can’t wait.

  5. MaineYankee March 15th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    randy

    Is it possible that Price has a spot in the rotation because of payroll rather than earning it?

  6. Pat M. March 15th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    In all actuality, the Spring Taining season really starts this week with an eye towards the 2010 season…..Randy I, did you get tagged today ???

  7. Bronx Jeers March 15th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    Just building on what was said last post…

    Joba did accomplish 2 big things last season.

    He stayed healthy

    He got his innings in.

    But the Yanks don’t trust him enough to have him and an unknown in the rotation. He simply wasn’t consistent enough last season.

    The Yanks sort of did some major bullet dodging last season as they won 103 games with 3 starters plus Joba and ???. And one starter was on the wrong side of 35 and another was a real head scratcher.

    I guess the Yanks weren’t going to wait and see if lightning strikes twice.

    Enter Javy Vasquez.

  8. randy l. March 15th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    sj-

    sometimes when the yankees come up with plans for their starters in spring training and then say all is well, all is not necessarily well.

    last year at this time we were told that there was no problem with wang and there obviously was a problem with wang. the yankees are not infallible with their spring training pitching ideas.

    i don’t really like the competition though i understand the rationale of it. i could be wrong, but it just doesn’t feel like the right thing to do.

    at age 23 price threw 128 innings at a 4.42 era pace in 2009. he’s now working hard in spring training adding a change up to his arsenal for 2010.

    i understand that the yankees could have it all under control as you say with hughes and joba with this competition, but i see a much more direct path with the way the rays are developing david price.

    we’ve discussed it before that there is no one way to develop a young starter. i just have the feeling that hughes and joba are not getting the same chance that david price is to develop as a starter.

    we know one of them is definitely not going to get that chance to start this year.

  9. blake March 15th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    So how many more outings will the 5th starter candidates have before a decision is expected? I’m thinkin 2 more..

  10. five iron from fenway March 15th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    I guess we will all find out in a couple of weeks.
    Can’t wait to watch some real baseball for a change. Hard to believe with the monsoon upon us in New England that baseball is just around the corner.

  11. SJ44 March 15th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    That’s because one of them may not have a future as a starting pitcher. That’s a big difference from David Price.

    Price is also the #4 starter in their rotation. Its much different than being a #5. His spot is set in the rotation as long as he can give them innings. That, I might add, is no sure thing.

    If you look at Yankees Camp so far this year, its pretty hard to come up with problems.

    Everybody is healthy, there are no distractions, and you have a balance of young guys to see and vets getting their work in.

  12. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 15th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    SJ, you’re perfectly clear in your explanation and I believe you’re right about everything you said re: the Yankees thinking. Even the Sox didn’t have two kids in the rotation at the same time. It was Lester first, then Bucholz…….and Bucholz didn’t come up until relatively late in the season.

    I realize the Yankees have said it’s not about results so much with the kids because they are specifically working on things. However, isn’t that contradicting what Joe is saying, which is that now things are going to count? Possibly he’s referring to other pitchers……

    Re-signing Javy is definitely a possibility – unless the Yanks are bound and determined to get 2 draft picks for him. I actually prefer that to signing Cliff Lee to a huge, expensive contract (even assuming he’s available).

  13. blake March 15th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Randy,
    I agree with what you’re saying but when you have one spot and 2 guys it kinda is what it is I guess.

  14. SJ44 March 15th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Everybody begins to sharpen things up in the last two weeks.

    As Pat M says, that’s when vets start paying attention.

    The split squad games end, the regular lineup is more frequent, and pitch counts rise.

    That’s when you look to get a little sharper over the next week or so, then dial it back to be ready for the season.

    According to Girardi, he will have a decision on the 5th starter by March 24.

  15. upstate kate March 15th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    so suppose Phil gets the 5th spot, which I think he will, and Joba goes to the pen. What happens next year when/if you need another starter? Does Joba get another chance, or does he stay in the pen and they look elsewhere?

  16. randy l. March 15th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    “That’s because one of them may not have a future as a starting pitcher. That’s a big difference from David Price.”

    sj-

    if the yankees really don’t think joba may be cut out to be a starter and are giving him one last chance to prove himself, i suppose then it makes sense to have this competition.

    i just see a lot of downside potential to this competition, but as you’ve said numerous times, there may be more to it than what we see on the surface from the outside.

  17. burrman March 15th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    we tried having 2 young starting pitchers 2 years ago and didnt make the playoffs. its much better to have 1 young guy break into the rotation at a time. Joba had a great opportunity last year to prove he could be a starter and he didnt do that. he showed very little progress as a starter and was inconsistent, following the few great outings with poor outings.

    i think regardless of who wins the spot out of camp, by july we will see hughes as #5

  18. randy l. March 15th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    ‘Randy I, did you get tagged today ???”

    pat m-

    huh?

  19. SJ44 March 15th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    I’m not seeing the downside. Both guys have to pitch well to earn a spot. That’s the way it should be.

    Unfortunately, there is one spot.

    Plus, you have the added issue of not knowing what Joba’s future role should be.

    We may all believe he is going to be a top of the rotation starting pitcher. However, what if something has changed? What if, possibly for medical reasons or just that he can’t hack it reasons, he isn’t a top of the rotation guy?

    If so, then you have the added weapon of him being in the bullpen.

    Tampa Bay doesn’t have to win anything this year. They can run Price out there without any pressure on them.

    Its a different ballgame in NY. Making the playoffs, and doing well in them, is a must.

    Folks KILLED Cashman and Girardi two years ago for giving 2 rotation spots to kids before they even earned their stripes.

    Now, they are looking for guys to earn their stripes.

    You can’t have it both ways.

    Both Hughes and Chamberlain are healthy and throwing the ball quite well. They both have WS rings and both contributed to that title.

    Now, its time to take the next step for both, whatever that next step will be.

  20. randy l. March 15th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    “Is it possible that Price has a spot in the rotation because of payroll rather than earning it?”

    maine yankee-

    i think he earned it last year since he had a pretty good year.

    how’s the weather up there?

    should i stay in florida longer?

    let me know when it’s safe to go back up there.

  21. MTU March 15th, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    It’s pretty clear that the Management has a very different view of the Joba/Phil situation than the fans do. ;)

  22. Phil the Thrill March 15th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Sometimes a player will work in one workgroup through ST then be assigned to a lower team.

  23. randy l. March 15th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    “Tampa Bay doesn’t have to win anything this year. They can run Price out there without any pressure on them.”

    now, i’d totally agree with that. the yankees do have a different standard.

    maybe because of this, the yankees best plan for pitchers then is to let let teams like the rays develop young starters and then sign them when they are free agents like they did with CC.

    it’s also bad luck to have two guys arriving on the scene ready to start at the same time.

    i just don’t get the feeling that there is anything about the way joba and hughes are being developed that is textbook.

    now that may be because joba is a very unusual pitcher and hard to figure.

    but hughes isn’t. he’s a straightforward starting prospect.

    i really think he needs to be starting this year, somewhere ,no matter what.

    so unless he wins this competition , i think his development is being short changed.

  24. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 15th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....ity-031510

    Never thought AJ would be counted on as a durable pitcher, but he has been. I know many fans are just holding their breath with him, but he’s not the same guy he was in Florida and he’s already had his TJ surgery. For me, he’s just like any other pitcher now.

  25. Jerkface March 15th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Hughes was ‘short changed’ by injuries. He has had 2 full years to start after pitching 3 seasons in the minors with great success. At some point, a player loses the right to a completely unbiased and fair developmental process.

  26. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 15th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Randy, I agree. The Sox had breathing room with Lester and Bucholz – Yanks don’t. I don’t even think 2008 is applicable here. Phil was injured – that’s why he was bad; if he hadn’t been injured, he would have been a fine #5 starter. You could question the Yankees as to giving IPK a spot based on 3 starts at the end of 2007, but not Phil. I also agree about Phil….It’s a tough situation.

  27. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 15th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    Jerkface, what does that mean? I don’t think Phil has had a chance to start consistently, so I completely disagree. What 2 years are you talking about that he’s had a chance to start? 2007 and 2008 he was hurt. The Yankees yanked him out of the rotation last year; he may not get the chance this year.

  28. Jerkface March 15th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Betsy,

    Hughes is no longer afforded a clean development because he unfortunately suffered injuries in his 2 ‘big spots’. He was brought up to start in 2007, and was given a spot in 2008. Both times he was injured and missed his chance. You don’t get unlimited chances.

    It is sad that he had his chances wasted by injury, but the Yankees gave him every opportunity to start and stay a starter in 2007 and 2008. At this point, Hughes is trying to maintain his status as a major leaguer through any means necessary, while competing with other starters for a rotation spot.

    If he had pitched injury free the last 3 years he’d probably have a guaranteed spot and we wouldn’t have either javy or pettitte.

    The factor being, no one can complain about the ‘competition’.

    My personal preference is to have Hughes and Joba starting, but if i had to choose, I’d pick Hughes. That doesn’t change the fact that he was unlucky in his first 2 years as a starter for the Yankees and that has altered his career path.

  29. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 15th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    Had to ditch the discussion on previous thread as Yankee tix went on sale.

    LOL, I was working two computers and finally got what I wanted.

    There’s a distinction that I think has to be made.

    The Yanks weren’t comfortable with having both Hughes and Chamberlain i the rotation for 2010.

    Thus, the acquisition of Javy.

    If that decision is costing Chamberlain a shot at developing to remain a starter, then the Yankees are egregiously short-sighted and wrong.

    Having Javy in the rotation need not cost Joba his future as a starter, merely because there’d be nowhere to put him, should Hughes “win” the fifth starter competition.

    The logical thing to do, in that case, would be to send Joba to AAA and let him work on his delivery and pitch arsenal there.

    The only qualifier for a life sentence in the bullpen is health – and they’d have to be damn sure he doesn’t have the stamina/DNA for starting.

    Whether this is the Yankee view or not – that working out of the rotation isn’t in Joba’s future, due to their own immediate needs – that view is wrong.

    It HAS to be health-related, or it is wrong.

    JC won’t be able to work backwards again – from relief to starting. It’s over – if he’s bound for short relief.

    With that kind of responsibility and power – the Yankees had better be right.

  30. m March 15th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    Just read throught the last few threads. Very good stuff, guys (and gals).

    If Joba goes to the pen, I think it’s because they project him as a setup guy/closer. And to spend more time with Rivera. ;)

  31. SJ44 March 15th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Honestly Randy, I don’t think that has much to do with it.

    If they were sold on Joba as a starting pitcher, there is no reason to make the Vazquez trade.

    Joba is stretched out for 200 innings. Hughes can pitch a 150-175. That’s plenty for a 5th starter. You can put the two guys in the rotation and go from there.

    Not going in that direction tells me they are re-evaluating their evaluation of Joba and where his future lies.

    I know the organization feels strongly Hughes’ future is in the rotation. I get the feeling, and have all winter, they are less certain about Joba.

    If they may feel his future is in the bullpen, then they needed another veteran pitcher and that’s why they made the Vazquez trade.

  32. Shame Spencer March 15th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    I just don’t understand how you can give up on either Hughes or Joba as starters this early. I understand the arguments on here, SJ has stated the Yankees stance on the issue rather well, but I am still totally confused as to why we would have one of the two be in the bullpen in April.

    Now I realize that if the Yankees do truly believe one is more suited for the pen, they would put them on that track now. But what I dont understand, if the Yankees do feel this way (presumably about Joba), is how exactly they came to such a conclusion. I, personally, don’t see how you have enough evidence to judge whether one or the other is ‘destined for the pen.’ Everyone points to Joba’s inconsistency last season as proof of him losing his spot in the rotation, but the kid is playing in the AL East and still put up decent numbers for a back of the rotation guy. And in the starts where he was really locked in, he looked unbeatable. I almost saw a lil’ Clemens in the way he worked the mound in a few of his starts. How do you throw that in the bullpen forever when you have other arms that can eat up those innings for now??

  33. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 15th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Price, unlike Joba, has expressed publicly his distaste for relief. I

    n no uncertain terms, he has stated “I am not a reliever.” The Rays obviously agree, because he’s been guaranteed his rotation spot, but Price made it clear any switch to the bullpen would be met with player resistance.

    His changeup is a work in progress. He has trouble finishing lefties – not exactly a polished up starter yet.

  34. Bronx Jeers March 15th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    “so suppose Phil gets the 5th spot, which I think he will, and Joba goes to the pen. What happens next year when/if you need another starter? Does Joba get another chance, or does he stay in the pen and they look elsewhere?”

    Well I would say that A.- Phil has to do what Joba did last year that being stay healthy and get his innings in and the big “B”- would be that he has to prove to be more reliable/consistent than Joba was last season. Which shouldn’t be too hard but we’ll see.

    Then there’s the question whether Andy puts together another fine season and wants to return and is asked back.

    Whether Beckett re-signs and Dice-K “returns to form” and the Sox have their big 4 going for them.

    And then do the Yanks go out and sign another big arm? Javy? Lee?

    And of course if Joba himself is able to be as effective in the pen as Phil was last season and earn the right at another shot.

    Then of course there’s the remote possibility that Mo says “No mas” and becomes President of Panama.

    Anyway there’s lots of “ifs & whens” between now and that time. 8 months and it looks like it’s going to be another fun ride that we should all enjoy.

  35. SJ44 March 15th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Price isn’t dictating what he wants to do in Tampa. He has no power to do so.

    What’s he going to do, sit out? He doesn’t have enough service time to do anything but what the team tells him to do.

    They are putting him in the rotation because they believe his future is as a starter and they have the #4 spot available to him.

    Its clear the Yankees aren’t sold on Joba as a starting pitcher. If they were, he wouldn’t be competing for a spot. He would be penciled into one as Price is in Tampa.

  36. five iron from fenway March 15th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Bod – I agree with you.
    The Yankees spent years developing these guys, monitoring innings, and in many people’s view babying them.
    Phil cannot go to the bullpen as he is not quite a finished project.
    Joba only goes because of health. He has too much upside to go for performance based reasons.

  37. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 15th, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    Well, of course Price doesn’t dictate what they do with him.

    My point is, the player has vehemently expressed that he’s hostile to relieving. He made a point of it – I heard the interview myself on ESPN Radio. He went out of his way to state that relieving, to him, is anathema.

    And Price is not a polished starter at this point.

    For all the criticism of Joba, he’s been a good company boy, doesn’t rock the boat, says he’ll be whatever they decide.

  38. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 15th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Sorry, I meant to say Price has trouble FINISHING RIGHTIES.

  39. MaineYankee March 15th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    randy l.
    March 15th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
    “Is it possible that Price has a spot in the rotation because of payroll rather than earning it?”

    maine yankee-

    i think he earned it last year since he had a pretty good year.

    how’s the weather up there?

    should i stay in florida longer?

    let me know when it’s safe to go back up there.

    ——————————————–

    I’m not sure the blame can be placed solely on the Yankees for the path that the two pitchers have taken. Circumstances have caused some of the way things have played out.

    I think on a bigger payroll club Price may have been given more time. Tampa is restricted by payroll which causes them to make decisions the Yankees don’t.

    Snow’s going fast. Had heavey wind and rain which is helping the melting. 20 miles south of here the snow is gone. Going to be in the 50′s next few days.

    The problem with coming north is the usual one. Living with the enemy. :lol:

  40. randy l. March 15th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    “If they were sold on Joba as a starting pitcher, there is no reason to make the Vazquez trade.”

    sj44-

    i think i agree with you more than i disagree with you on this.

    i guess we both don’t think it’s an open competition.

    it’s when i take it that it is an open competition that my doubts kick in.

    and as far as vazquez, i am very happy the yankees have him as he has the potential to be right behind CC if things play out right.

    vazquez is a very good pitcher.

  41. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 15th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    five iron from fenway
    March 15th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
    Bod – I agree with you.
    The Yankees spent years developing these guys, monitoring innings, and in many people’s view babying them.
    Phil cannot go to the bullpen as he is not quite a finished project.
    Joba only goes because of health. He has too much upside to go for performance based reasons.
    =====

    D’accord. I saw your comprehensive post on this in previous thread. All on point.

  42. randy l. March 15th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    “The problem with coming north is the usual one. Living with the enemy.”

    maine yankee-

    i forgot about that.

    especially how the yankees usually get off to a fast start and the yankees get off to a slow one.

    maybe i’ll stay till june :)

  43. SJ44 March 15th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    But that isn’t why Tampa is putting him in the rotation.

    They are far from a player friendly organization.

    They kept Price and Longoria in the minors longer than they needed to save their service time clocks from starting.

    They took BJ Upton to arbitration this year, crushing him in the hearing, over very little money. They won but, they certainly didn’t make an ally in BJ in the hearing room.

    Regardless of how Price feels, he’s in the rotation for one reason. That’s his best spot to help the team.

    We don’t know if the rotation is the best spot for Joba. Perhaps that’s why he is such a good company guy on the subject.

    Perhaps he doesn’t know, or isn’t willing to say publicly, what his best role is on the team.

    Clearly his agents want him to start. That’s where the huge money can be made.

    Whether that’s the best place for Joba with the Yankees seems to be less clear right now. At least from the Yankees perspective.

  44. CB March 15th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    If Tampa had the money to keep Kazmir and trade for a Vazquez they would have and would probably have sent Price to the bull pen.

    There is a significant amount of pressure in Tampa to win this year. In fact, in many ways they need to win more this year than the yankee do.

    Sternberg has already said that Tampa really extended itself in payroll this year and that next year payroll was going to go down. They are trying to make a run this year before Crawford and Pena hit free agency. If they don’t win this year they are going to regroup next season.

    Price wasn’t very good last year. He took a real step back. His season was somewhat like Joba’s. Price maintained his velocity but didn’t have great life on his fastball. His fastball just wasn’t very good – it was on the flat side and he didn’t have great command. Perhaps hitters adjusted to his 2 pitch arsenal and that limited what Price could do with his fastball. It was strange to see. His stuff looked down. Price also doesn’t bury his slider to the back foot of righties consistently and in turn has trouble with right handed hitters.

    Boston year in and out is considered to have amongst the best minor league system in baseball. Yet they signed Lackey to a huge 5 year deal despite his bad elbow rather than give a kid like Tazawa or Bowden a shot given that Buchholz is already in the rotation.

    Joba may wind up in the rotation – and the team may feel that is his best role. But much of that is due to the fierce competition in the AL East which makes teams risk averse when they can afford to be and the resources the yankees have.

  45. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 15th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    This is stupid.

    Because the Yankees acquired Javy that means they don’t see Joba as a starter?

    Isn’t it possible that they don’t feel he made enough progress to be the fourth guy in 2010? That he needs more developmental time?

    What – he regresses somewhat in his FIRST FULL YEAR of starting – and that’s it, the jig’s up?

    If that’s the Yankees’ position, keep young pitchers in development out of the Yankees’ hands like you keep matches away from two year olds.

  46. SJ44 March 15th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    Randy,

    As you know, I have never bought into the “open competition” thing.

    If its an open competition then, whomever pitches best in the spring wins. That’s an “open competition”.

    Yet, that’s not what the Yankees are saying.

    They are offering qualifiers.

    “Its, not about stats”. “We won’t penalize a guy for working on things during the game in the competition”.

    “More things will go into it than just their outings in the spring”.

    With all those qualifiers, here is my question. If its an “open competition”, how exactly do you equally evaluate the contenders when some are “working on things” in games, and some are pitching as if its the 7th game of the World Series in games? How is that “open” or even fair?

    Its not and they know it. Its just BS to fill notepads.

    The gig was Hughes’ to lose, hence the qualifiers and so far he has done nothing to lose it.

  47. Frank G March 15th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    I don’t understand why they DFA’d Edwar Rameriz and kept Jonathan Albaladejo. Does someone see the logic there? I’m having a tough time given the fact the Rameriz has been an effective ML pitcher. Does Girardi become too attached to some of these guys, like Mitre?

  48. Jerkface March 15th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Albaladejo has also been an effective reliever in the majors

  49. SJ44 March 15th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Bod,

    Than why is Girardi saying he is taking the “best 12 pitchers north” and whomever doesn’t win the competition is going to set up for Mo?

    If they felt one or the other needed additional developmental time in the minors, they wouldn’t be making those comments.

    Both Hughes and Chamberlain are guaranteed roster spots on the team. Only one of them can start.

    That being the case, don’t you think there is a possibility the Yankees are re-evaluating their views on Joba as a starting pitcher?

  50. blake March 15th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    I think Vasquez will start Game 2 of the ALDS.

  51. MaineYankee March 15th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    randy

    When the RS get off to a fast start and they are being smug just tell them they can cheer in April and cry in September. Of course it’s easier to use that line when you are a fan of the current World Champion. :lol:

  52. SJ44 March 15th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    One last point on this…..

    If the Yankees felt Joba regressed last year and needed more developmental time in the rotation, why not just make him the fifth starter going into camp? He’s stretched out. That’s an easy decision to make.

    He could stay in the rotation and still develop. Why have him fight for his job if you are sold on him as a starter?

    clearly, something has changed in the off-season to make them re-think things.

    Perhaps they will say what it is if Joba ends up in the pen rather than garnering the fifth starter’s spot.

  53. Rick March 15th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Spring training has reached the halfway point. All players have been looked at and the 1st group of cuts has been made.
    Short of injury concerns, the starting rotation will take shape within the next 10 days. From what’s been seen up to this point, Phil Hughes has made better strides than Joba Chamberlain. Joba figures there’s little left for him to do. Phil sees it otherwise as evidenced by his hard work at refining a changeup. Joba to the bullpen.
    The 2 moves that made the biggest pitching impact since December was the additions of Javy Vasquez and Chan Ho Park.
    It will be a difficult decision for Girardi with Ramiro Pena and Kevin Russo. He can’t go wrong with either.
    Still some competition between Thames, Curtis, Hoffmann, and possibly Winfree for the 25th player.

  54. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 15th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    I think they are – but to my point, an ultimate decision on his future had better be based on issues like stamina and projected arm health (he is an armsy thrower – that may give them some pause). Still, the latter shouldn’t disqualify him from a career of starting.

    He needs to have some irrevocable health issue that would keep him from being a starter.

    The reason that seems unlikely is, why would he be in some competition for a starting role, if he can’t physically hack it?

    It’s not like marketing him as a starter would bring back much at this point.

    Any way, good dicussion, guys. I’m heading out.

    I’ll peek in and check these threads later.

  55. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 15th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    SJ44
    March 15th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
    One last point on this…..
    If the Yankees felt Joba regressed last year and needed more developmental time in the rotation, why not just make him the fifth starter going into camp? He’s stretched out. That’s an easy decision to make.
    He could stay in the rotation and still develop. Why have him fight for his job if you are sold on him as a starter?
    clearly, something has changed in the off-season to make them re-think things.
    Perhaps they will say what it is if Joba ends up in the pen rather than garnering the fifth starter’s spot.
    ====

    It’s a fair point, but then why all the subterfuge this Spring?

    Unless they think they can deal him as a starter for someone else.

    See you all later.

  56. Chad Jennings March 15th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    New post.

  57. TexasBoy March 16th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Whats the prediction for Seth Fortenberry? He’s mentioned in the article as “catching your eye”, any chance he will move up in the system?? I know he’s showed some upside along the way.


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