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Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 16, 2010 
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After taking Monday off, the Yankees resume their spring training schedule tonight against the Astros. The Yankees are expected to use their opening day lineup, and the results are beginning to matter as the Yankees enter the decision-making part of spring.
This is the Yankees first night game of the spring, and their first of three night games this week: Tonight, Wednesday against the Phillies and Friday’s split-squad against Tampa Bay.
Jeter
Johnson
Tex
A-Rod
Cano
Posada
Grandy
Swish
GGBG
That’s the one.
GTLU can start now and it will end as soon as Chad puts up the official lineup.
MTU -
Do you want to submit that lineup in GTLU today?
Doreen-
Sure. I’ll play.
Doreen:
SS Jeter
DH Johnson
1B Teixeira
3B Rodriguez
2B Cano
C Posada
CF Granderson
RF Swisher
LF Gardner
Thanks
Doreen,
My GTLU:
Jeter
Johnson
Texiera
A-Rod
Cano
Posada
Granderson
Swisher
Gardner
There is no coverage of today’s game is there ?
ok, I missed the boat, and everyone is picking what I would have…so just to be a little bit different:
SS Jeter
DH Nick the Quick
1B Tex
3B Alex
2B Robbie
C Posada
CF Granderson
RF Swish
LF Winn
BBFan -
In the regular season, I’ll need positions (you too MTU, if you play).
Most are self-explanatory, but can I assume you want Grandy in CF and Gardner in LF?
2010 rotation:
CC
AJ
Andy
JV
Hughes
BP
Mo
Marte
Joba
Robertson
Aceves
Park
Gaudin
Bench
Cervelli
Pena
Winn
Thames
Doreen-
Understood.
Grandy CF
GGBG LF
for now.
With Park on the roster, I would rather have a LOOGY than Gaudin in the pen.
Rich-
I understand that but I can’t see them letting Gaudin slip away.
Scranton :
Hirsch
Igawa
Nova
Z-Mac
Garcia
MTU
There’s a reason that they got Gaudin from SD for virtually nothing.
Kate,
From the last thread, yea the turf is a little concerning but if he isn’t hurt and is still running well I don’t think it would keep me from signing him.
Scranton Lineup (Not in order) :
1B Miranda
2B Russo
SS Nunez
3B Laird
LF Curtis
CF Golson
RF Winfree
C Montero
Rich-
I like Gaudin and hope they keep him. If they need to move someone my vote is for Mitre.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html
Yankees are #1 with CC, Arod, Curtis Granderson, and Tex
2. Phillies (Chase Utley, Roy Halladay, Ryan Howard, Jimmy Rollins)
3. Mets (David Wright, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, Jason Bay)
4. Red Sox (Dustin Pedroia, Victor Martinez, Jon Lester, Josh Beckett)
5. Cardinals (Albert Pujols, Matt Holliday, Adam Wainwright, Yadier Molina)
Funny thing is, they’d also be at #8 with Jeter, Posada, Cano and Javier Vazquez
MTU
Mitre wasn’t on your proposed roster, so isn’t that a false choice?
Jeter
Johnson
Tex
A-Rod
Cano
Posada
Grandy
Swish
GGBG
Rich-
I guess so. Now that you know though, Mitre disappears before Gaudin, right ?
The Hughes / Joba question continues to get beaten to death but the fact remains that they’re both not going to the bullpen. Phil is in the lead as the #5 starter and if he wins it, will still need some limited innings out of the pen in April with the schedule being what it is.
Joba’s next 3 exhibition outings are critical for what role he’ll have.
MTU
I’ll grant that point despite my personal feelings.
I’m merely saying that I think it would be a mistake to keep Gaudin over a second LH reliever.
Jeter – SS
Johnson – DH
Tex – 1B
ARod – 3B
Cano – 2B
Posada – C
Granderson – CF (But I’d rather have him in left)
Swisher – RF
Gardner – LF
Cano’s line for the year, .326, 28HR, 105RBI, .365OBP, .535SLG
Rick-
I think it’s only 2 more starts a piece not 3.
And you’re absolutely right, the next starts are the ones they are really gonna look at.
MTU, I think I saw a couple of days ago that you hike, if so, where and what do you hike? I’m knocking off the 4000 footers in NH (I’ve got 17 of 48 done).
Rich-
Logan can be sent to AAA can’t he ? Kept in reserve.
Noreaster-
Rocky Mtns.
Mountains and Canyons.
Hoping for at least one 13K this year as well as the world’s longest slot Canyon.
swb roster
montero, rivera, miranda, vazquez, russo, corona, nunez, curtis, gorecki, golson, winfree and weber
mcallister, nova, igawa, hirsh, sanchez, melancon, duff, ring, logan, segovia, albaladejo and whelan
however, with horne, kontos and others rehabbing, expect to see the roster churned quite thoroughly throughout the season.
MTU
Maybe, but why? If the idea is go north with the best roster, why not do that?
Rich-
I just don’t think they’ll take logan over Gaudin, and I believe that is the choice, because if they do so they loose Gaudin.
I don’t think they want that even though Logan might make good sense.
Logan can be stashed at AAA. They lose Gaudin the other way.
JMO
MTU
You could be right, but I think there is a reason that Gaudin pitched 1 inning in the postseason. He isn’t good, and now he’s overpaid.
Sounds great MTU, I’ve done the Grand Canyon a couple of times. Very different from the East Coast!
Noreaster-
When I lived back East I did Washington via Tuckerman’s.
Did you Backpack the GC ?
If you want to get a sense of the types of people I hang with get this.
I have numerous friends who have Hiked the GC in 1 day- rim to rim.
Crazy, Huh ?
Great bragging rights though.
Noreaster
our family is working on the Adk 46ers, some (my husband) more than others (myself, our son, and dogs)
1 of Gaudin/Mitre is going to be kept on the roster as a long reliever. I don’t think they’d lose both of those guys, although 1 has to be traded by the end of spring I’d think. Plenty of teams hurting for starting pitching. Mitre and Gaudin have been much better than guys like Suppan, half the Mets, Gaudin could go back to the Cubs and either pitch in relief or start, etc.
I got the bullpen as
LOCKS
Rivera
Robertson
Park
Aceves
Marte
2 more spots contingent on other things
Hughes/Joba
Gaudin/Mitre/Melancon/Logan/Ring
And if the loser of Hughes/Joba goes to AAA (my preference) its even easier to keep a LOOGY/Melancon AND 1 of Gaudin/Mitre.
Gaudin is certainly more intriguing out of the pen than Mitre, but Mitre might have the better upside, simply being a Chien Ming Wang who can strike guys out if he lives up to his stuff.
My understanding is that Mitre is not comfortable being used out of the pen, where Gaudin doesn’t seem to care
Either Gaudin or Mitre could be on the bubble ….. possibly both.
Both Aceves and Hughes can go multiple innings in the early going.
Girardi may want the extra lefthander in the bullpen. So far, Royce Ring has done nothing wrong and Boone Logan has pitched well and has options.
Adequate pitching talent at AAA as the season moves along.
MTU, Rim to Rim in one day is crazy. I’ve hiked it twice, both times down Kaibab and up Brigth Angel. The first time I did it in one day (crazy but not rim to rim crazy) and the second time I stayed down at the Phantom Ranch.
I would shop Gaudin and Mitre and whichever brought the best return would be traded. Gaudin makes 3x as much money as Mitre so that could play into it. They both could be valuable as spot starters or for long relief though. I know many aren’t high on Mitre but for 800K he’s serviceable and will take the ball.
noreaster-
the one thing i didn’t like about the grand canyon trail is hiking back up when the mules coming down insisted on hikers standing on the outside edge of the trail when they passed you . they wouldn’t go by if a hiker was up against the safety of the wall.
when on the edge of the trail looking into empty space below , it wasn’t a great feeling knowing your life depended on a mule having control of his swaying butt so he wouldn’t knock you off.
then again the heightened senses because of the adrenaline made the view even better
I have the following people entered in GTLU:
MTU
Erin
BBFan
upstate kate
teddy
Noreaster (How do you like me now?)
Noreaster-
That’s what somewhat normal people do.
I’m the wimp of the bunch because I’m too lazy to train for it(rim to rim).
Photography is really my passion. Along with the hiking.
If you would like to see the G-dZone. Shoot me an e-mail.
Randy-
How about the leavings ?
Great perfume, huh ?
If anyone sponsoring a fantasy baseball league is looking for an additional participant, please contact me.
I prefer the head-to-head leagues but if you’re organizing a rotisserie league and need an additional team, certainly feel free to contact me as well.
You can reach me at ms@pwlawyers.com.
Thanks all.
“the one thing i didn’t like about the grand canyon trail is hiking back up when the mules coming down insisted on hikers standing on the outside edge of the trail when they passed you . they wouldn’t go by if a hiker was up against the safety of the wall.”
That’s funny.
They may be the offspring of as-ses but they’re not stupid!
jeter ss
johnson dh
teixeira 1b
arod 3b
cano 2b
posada c
granderson cf
swisher rf
gardner lf
so there are 7 ppl in gtlu and 4 of us have the same lineup.
Y’s Guy –
Six of you have the same lineup. Upstate Kate went outside the box!
“Great perfume, huh ?”
i forgot about that. insult to injury.
first they make you stand on the edge and then they let you know what they think of you.
all kidding aside, i hiked down with a friend in the late 60′s while hitchhiking around the country for 6 months and spent about ten days down there. it was by far the most amazing place on the whole trip.
i’ll tell you one thing, if joba went down and back up two or three times over a week’s time , he’d be ready to begin the season.
of course the stand off between joba and a mule when joba shakes off the mule when the mule wants him to stand on the outside would be interesting
How bout Jets owner Woody Johnson whining like a baby that his team lost the coin toss to host the first game at the new Meadowlands? What a baby!.
Randy-
“i’ll tell you one thing, if joba went down and back up two or three times over a week’s time , he’d be ready to begin the season.
of course the stand off between joba and a mule when joba shakes off the mule when the mule wants him to stand on the outside would be interesting ”
LOL.
I don’t think Joba makes it once much less twice.
Not sure the mule wins that one.
I do not think I saw this posted amongst the Hechevarria news, but the Yankees offered $1.5 million less than the Jays, so the Jeter thing just seems like a spin/excuse.
I am not saying it is a spin/excuse by the Yankees, but by the media btw.
or the kid’s agents alternatively.
Seriously? It’s a night game? Afternoon game would’ve fit my schedule better.
Gameday audio will be available (hoot!) for those that were asking.
Gonna need some big time help from the beat writers on this game.
Depending on who might make the final ML cut. With the players listed, my SWB lineup would be:
Russo 3B
Curtis LF
Miranda 1B/DH
Vazquez DH/1B/3B
Montero C/DH
Nunez SS
Weber RF
Golson CF
Corona 2B
But I still think Russo and Vazquez could make the ML bench. But that is one heck of a lineup!!!
randy/Noreaster:
Take a peek.
http://picasaweb.google.com/cy.....1564039586
Enjoy.
Anybody know if todays game is on MLB network?
mtu-
next year girardi for the team day should have the yankees hike down the canyon ,spend the night and hike back up.
blake
March 16th, 2010 at 10:44 am
Anybody know if todays game is on MLB network?
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It’s not-I just checked their schedule.
Randy-
I hope he doesn’t forget the marshmellows.
randy l.
March 16th, 2010 at 10:45 am
mtu-
next year girardi for the team day should have the yankees hike down the canyon ,spend the night and hike back up.
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LOL Now there’s an idea!
Erin-
I’ll even volunteer to lead, and to provide refreshments at my place afterwards.
MTU
March 16th, 2010 at 10:43 am
randy/Noreaster:
Take a peek.
http://picasaweb.google.com/cy…..1564039586
Enjoy.
Great stuff MTU. As someone who enjoys the camera myself, I kick myself for not having made it down that way while I lived in Colorado.
I saw you guys talking bullpen.
I put up the 7 I thought it would be yesterday, but I think I left off Marte (Mr. Invisible).
So, it seems we need to do something with Aceves, Gaudin, Marte.
Barring any trade(s) or releases, I think this is at least in some part possible:
-Mo
-Joba/Phil
-Robertson
-Marte
-Park
-Mitre
-Gaudin
Where’s Aceves you ask? He’s in the Scranton rotation, first man called up. I know people like Aceves in the Mendoza role. But I like Aceves in the mucho macho economical role he’s been playing this spring.
Park can take the short reliever role Aceves played. Mitre/Gaudin could take the long reliever role he played. And for you Melancon lovers, he could be the first reliever called up if necessary.
Ideally, you would want to trade one pitcher (my choice would be Gaudin).
JCPD-
It’s never too late !
Can you believe anyone is so blessed to have had a chance to experience this ?
What a priveledge.
MTU
March 16th, 2010 at 10:50 am
Erin-
I’ll even volunteer to lead, and to provide refreshments at my place afterwards.
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That’s very generous of you!
Impressed with both Scranton and big league staffs.
I think the Gaudin is most likely to be shipped off. I personally like him. But as pointed out Mitre could have more upside and if a spot starter is needed he could be used in a pinch. Also, thinking of next year, he could be the new 5th starter if Joba is officially a reliever.
The only thing that could change this is the offer they may get for Mitre versus Gaudin.
Erin-
“That’s very generous of you!”
Not really.
I’ll have an ulterior motive.
To get all those autograps and photos.
There is no chance Aceves is not on the 25 man roster.
Girardi has said all Spring he’s taking the best 12 pitchers north.
Aceves is one of the best 12 pitchers on the team.
No way Aceves goes AAA!
If anything he may get the 5 spot.
MTU, you’re right, it’s never too late for anything. I will make it there. I will say though that while I was in Denver, my travels didn’t suffer as they took me to Alaska, Costa Rica and twice each to Ukraine and Russia. Fabulous experiences they all were.
MTU
March 16th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Erin-
“That’s very generous of you!”
Not really.
I’ll have an ulterior motive.
To get all those autograps and photos.
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LOL In that case, can I come along too???
You guys are right, but if they don’t dump one of Mitre/Gaudin then that would be the right thing to do imo.
JCPD-
You did great then.
If you ever want to see it let me know.
It’s my pleasure to share.
Erin-
“LOL In that case, can I come along too??? ”
I will make sure that you and Robbie are front and center in the photos.
I hope you would be able to stand the excitement.
Mitre will be dumped – let him go to AAA.
Mitre would never make it to AAA.
The numbers he’s putting up. Sinkerballer that can K people. He’d never make it.
Not that the Yankees wouldn’t release him, but he’d never make it to Scranton. He’d be claimed by a team. Pronto.
Also the best 12 pitchers is subjective. Joba has certainly not been near top 12 so far. If he doesn’t improve I wouldn’t trust him in the bullpen. But would he go north anyways because of past history?
To you hikers out there–Rocky Mountain National Park has amazing hikes even for we at or over middle age. There is nothing like a hike to a mountain lake. It does take a couple of days acclimating to the altitude so I do the easiest first.
Mitre is not exactly a good pitcher. If he has to go through waivers, I think he may very well make it. What numbers is he putting up? He had two good outings in ST (probably against kids as he’s coming in in the middle/late innings), one bad one and he was awful last year.
Jerkface,
Absolutely correct. Girardi (and Eiland) also said there’s a 5-way competition for the last spot in the rotation, but we know that’s in name only.
We also know that Gaudin’s not in the top 12, but he’ll probably go by virtue of contract status.
MTU
March 16th, 2010 at 11:09 am
Erin-
“LOL In that case, can I come along too??? ”
I will make sure that you and Robbie are front and center in the photos.
I hope you would be able to stand the excitement.
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I’ll try my best to contain myself. I’m not making any promises though.
I’m no hiker, but I visited Rocky Mountain National Park a few years ago when I went on a tour of Colorado National Parks and I have to say that it’s spectacular. Actually, the whole state is ridiculously spectacular; I believe it’s considered the Switzerland of America. We were lucky in that we saw elk AND big-horn sheep….
Austin-
Another Jewel. For sure.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but doesn’t Cashman make the decision of who is on the big league roster and not Girardi?
SS Jeter
DH Johnson
1B Teixeira
3B Rodriguez
2B Cano
C Posada
CF Granderson
RF Swisher
LF Hoffmann
Doreen,
Jeter – SS
Johnson – DH
Tex – 1B
ARod – 3B
Cano – 2B
Posada – C
Granderson – LF
Swisher – RF
Gardner – CF
Thanks
Betsy,
If teams believe that Mitre has fully recovered and come back all the way from Tommy John surgery, he’ll attract some attention.
I don’t care about him either way. But if he’s shown that last year (one 1 year removed) was post-surgical rust then the Yankees might want to hold on to him. They’re going to try to trade guys before releasing them anyway.
Taking your best 12 isn’t always easy. Roster considerations, contract status, and other things get in the way.
mtu-
great photos that take me right back down there.
one of my favorite spots down there was ribbon falls:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
They work together on the roster.
Since he has to manage them, Girardi has a big voice on roster construction.
He loves Aceves. He isn’t going to AAA to keep Sergio Mitre on the roster. He’s a better pitcher than Mitre.
I don’t get the idea of taking the 12 best arms if one of those arms needs straightening out. If Joba is still struggling by the time ST ends, what is so wrong with sending him to AAA? The Yankees are a terrific team; they can certainly get by with Joba in AAA for awhile. They really need to think about the future and not just the present. If Phil loses the #5 spot, send him to AAA. They will survive and, yes believe it or not, win games without him as the set up man. I love Cash, but if he doesn’t start developing these kids, I’m going to start wondering about him.
Joba has had success as a starter and in the pen when his fastball is 95 or above. He has not yet shown enough command to pitch with a 90-92 MPH fastball. It gives hitters more time to recognize his slider and lay off it. That is why he is walking more and striking out less.
I know something about hitting but less so about pitching. I don’t know if his problems with decreased velocity stem from never fully recovering from his arm injury, fear to hurt it again or a mechanical problem. Thoughts?
Please correct me if I am wrong, but doesn’t Cashman make the decision of who is on the big league roster and not Girardi?
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Girardi and Cashman are a team. Watch MLB Network’s The Pen, you see Ruben Amaro having a strategy meeting at the end of spring with Charlie Manuel and some other guys discussing who to bring North. Same stuff happens with the Yankees, more so now because Girardi is one of Cash’s guys. They work well together so far.
Cano: .357/.391/.550, 33 HR, 50 2B, 133 RBI, MVP
Ok, probably not, but preseason is for dreaming.
Girardi loves Mitre, too.
But not as much as Aceves.
Anyway, one of Gaudin, Aceves, or Mitre won’t be on the opening day roster.
Unless one of Joba or Phil aren’t. haha.
Randy-
Thanks for sharing.
Glad to take you back to such pleasant memories.
Perhaps, now you’ll realize now why I call it the G-dZone.
If Mitre gets claimed, he gets claimed -he’s no big loss. I would much rather have Gaudin than him anyway. Mitre has no future with this team except as a possible garbage time reliever.
Ugh, a new post, lol
Betsy,
I respect your opinion about Gaudin. But what future does Gaudin have with the team?
To me, they’re one and the same. One just costs 3x as much.
New post.
When rosters shake out at the end of the month, economically minded GM’s will ask Cashman about Mitre and his $850K salary. Teams with a glaring need of a No. 4 or 5 starter will inquire about Gaudin and his $2.95M salary.
Both are still considered in the No. 5 mix possibly as some leverage or overhype in a deal.
Pitching injuries can be a factor in the next 2 weeks adding to the desperation some teams could have.
“Glad to take you back to such pleasant memories.”
mtu-
next time i’m losing it on the blog send me a link to those photos
Randy-
I’ll try to remember.
And if you ever want to relive part of it – Live.
Let me know.
The following people have submitted lineups for GTLU. NO more lineups in this thread.
MTU
Erin
BBFan
upstate kate
teddy
Noreaster (How do you like me now?)
Y’s Guy
RayVT
Dave F
Joba topped out at 94 in his last outing.
He didn’t top out that high this early in his last 2 ST with the Yankees.
Tells you his arm is sound.
Now, he has to build up his pitch count and clean up his mechanics.
Plenty of time to do that.
“This is the Yankees first night game of the spring, and their first of three night games this week: Tonight, Wednesday against the Phillies and Friday’s split-squad against Tampa Bay”
I hope your wrong Chad! I have tickets for Thursday night game vs Tampa Rays at 7:05PM! Carried by the YES network!
Jeter SS
Cano 2B
Johnson DH
A-Rod 3B
Tex 1B
Granderson LF
Posada C
Swisher RF
Gardner CF