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Even better than the results

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Podcast on Mar 17, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Damaso Marte is fine. After being drilled by a Ryan Howard line drive, he has a bruise on his lower back but was already going through exercises within a few innings of leaving the game. Joe Girardi said he’s not sure Marte will make his next scheduled appearance on Friday, but he’s not concerned about any lasting impact.

The story of the day, obviously, was Joba Chamberlain. The Yankees lost 6-2, but that hardly mattered because Chamberlain closed the game with four strong innings. Even then, he was at such a low pitch count that he pitched to an additional three simulated hitters in the bullpen.

Chamberlain allowed two hits, walked one and struck out five. Only three strikeouts will show up in the box score and in his spring stats because Chamberlain’s 1-2-3 bottom of the ninth came after the game was official, but the Yankees are well aware of exactly how well he pitched. They’ve said the spring training results are starting to matter, and Chamberlain was even better than the results.

“Outstanding,” Joe Girardi said. “Worked quickly. Attacked the zone. He’s got to go out and throw more, and that’s what you want to see. Quality.”

Here’s Chamberlain talking about his outing.

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115 Responses to “Even better than the results”

  1. Eric K March 17th, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    I thought he gave up a run!

  2. chris March 17th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Not your most accurate day…

    Chamberlain
    3.0IP, 2H, 1R, 1ER, 1BB, 3SO, 16.20ERA

  3. m March 17th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    3 not scoreless innings, Chad

    We’re all pleased with the effort, but c’mon! ;)

  4. Erin March 17th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Good for Joba :)

  5. chris March 17th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    I know you are trying to get to the bar to start celebrating but you have the wrong number of innings, K’s, and ER’s listed…

  6. Chad Jennings March 17th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Oh yeah, forgot about the run. But it was four innings, not three. He pitched the bottom of the ninth, but that inning doesn’t count in the official stats.

  7. john March 17th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    hate to ask but im curious..what was his velocity reading at?

  8. Rich in NJ March 17th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Any word on how the ball that hit Marte is doing?

  9. Tom B March 17th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    chris is too smart for you, chad.

  10. Dave in VA March 17th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    chris — Aside from the run (and the earned run), Chad was very clear: “Only three strikeouts will show up in the box score and in his spring stats because Chamberlain’s 1-2-3 bottom of the ninth came after the game was official…”

    Joba pitched only three official innings, but in actuality pitched four innings to Phillie batters (and three more simulated hitters in the pen after). That’s not unusual for ST games.

  11. Rishi March 17th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    tough crowd in here today :)

  12. HenryfromDC March 17th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    All today’s game proved is that Joba should be a reliever. He’s only good in the latter innings.

  13. tex's friend March 17th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    Does anyone feel JobaMANIA bubbling up?!?

  14. austinmac March 17th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    While there were no radar guns on the broadcast his slider and curve looked very good. That would suggest to me he had good arm speed. This will get interesting.

  15. Mo March 17th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    I love when people correct something when they are wrong themselves. He allowed one run, and even thought was due to a flare to RF. Otherwise, it was 5Ks and 2 hits in 4 innins. Chad actually explained the discrepancy in the post itself, so how do you miss that?

  16. Fat Man March 17th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    Don’t think this outing changes much for Joba. He HAD to do well in order to even stay in this competition. If he pitched like he did his last 2 outings, he would have basically been out.

    Hughes still has the leg up. He has the ball with 2 minutes to go, up 6 points. As long as he is decent the rest of the way, the spot is his.

  17. CB March 17th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    “All today’s game proved is that Joba should be a reliever. He’s only good in the latter innings.”

    With those criteria, one could say the same thing about Hughes and his performance last night.

    Hughes was better than Joba this spring, but it’s not like Hughes has pitched that well before his outing last night – which was also in the middle of the game.

    Though, of course, those factors don’t really matter in spring training.

  18. 66 stripes March 17th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    It’s St. Patrick’s day… isin’t EVERYONE going to the bar tonight? Don’t think Chad is alone in that regard…

  19. Chad Jennings March 17th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    To be clear…

    The box score will say 3 2 1 1 1 3 for Joba.

    In reality it was 4 2 1 1 1 5. The ninth inning happened. I ran up from the clubhouse to watch it happen. He struck out the first guy, got a ground ball back to the mound and then struck out the last guy, but that inning won’t show up in the box score because the game was already official.

  20. Erin March 17th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Rishi
    March 17th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
    tough crowd in here today

    **************************
    I know! St. Patrick’s Day is supposed to be a happy day ;)

  21. MTU March 17th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Repost

    CB-

    “But it seems like this situation is set up for Joba winding up in the pen, the wrong conclusions being drawn from that move, and him remaining there.”

    This concerns me as well. I am not at all persuaded that JC will ever be given another chance to be a starter because of the above. Moreover, there may not even be a vacancy in the rotation
    next year. I find it hard to believe with the Yankee mentality that they would pass on Lee and let JV walk. Especially if JV has a good year. There is also the possiblity that Andy will want to return. The Yankees have the money and there are many stronger options than PH and JC in the rotation.

    I guess I’ll believe it when I see it.

    Born skeptic, I guess.

    How do they keep Joba stretched out as a reliever ? I don’t see how. 1 or 2 inning stints aren’t going to cut it.

    thanks for your response.

  22. Chad Jennings March 17th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    To be fair, I did originally write the word “scoreless” in there, so feel free to rip me all day for that one. I just want to be clear on the other numbers.

  23. GreenBeret7 March 17th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    It would have been a scoreless day except for the bloop double. Chamberlain had everything moving down, and down hard. He certainly didn’t look winded in this start.

  24. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 17th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    CB, I think he was kidding…..I hope he was. Phil’s getting better and better with his change; Joba looks to have regained whatever it was he lost last year – pretty good news for the Yankees.

  25. SJ44 March 17th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Why in the world are some people ripping Chad here?

    Is this what the year is going to be like with some of you children.

    Get a grip a grow up. The guy is doing a great job.

    If you don’t like it, go somewhere else. You won’t be missed.

  26. RayVT March 17th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Good for Joba!!

  27. m March 17th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Jerkface,

    From the last thread.

    I think Aceves’ best role is a starter, but there’s no room for him in the rotation.

    So, the next best thing is to use him as a reliever.

    One of those, “it is what it is” things.

  28. Larry March 17th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Nice to see Hughes and Joba have back to back nice days.

    Put them both in the rotation and send Burnett down to AAA so that he can learn to cooperate with his catcher.

    He needs a humble pie.

  29. MTU March 17th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Before today JC had pitched a little over 3 ST innings.

    Wasn’t today a lot more representative of what he’s capable of than the previous 3 innings especially coming off an illness.

  30. Bob(the original) March 17th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    SJ44
    March 17th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
    Why in the world are some people ripping Chad here?
    Is this what the year is going to be like with some of you children.

    —————-

    I knew when the Yanks won the WS last year it was going to get like this here. The clueless bandwagoners are out in full force with their chests all pumped out.

  31. Paulie21 March 17th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Everyone seems sure that Hughes is the front-runner for the 5th spot. But that presumption seems to ignore all the hoops that were jumped through last year in order to try to build Joba’s innings count in a controlled fashion. Only Cashman et al know whether they’re assuming they’ll have 1 or 2 openings in the 2011 rotation. I think they want both Joba and Hughes in the rotation then, which leads me to believe that Joba has the inside track (no innings limits), and hughes is first in line to fill in when someone gets hurt. And while it’s fun to speculate, we should be grateful that our “problem” is too much starting pitching . . .

  32. Y26 March 17th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Joba looked fantastic— best he has looked since that 3-start stretch in July. Very impressed. Hope he can build on it.

  33. GreenBeret7 March 17th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Chad, just go out and have a good steak and hoist a few beers. Make a run to Orlando and hit Rosy O’Grady’s. Tell them to put the dinner and drinks on my tab.

  34. Leah March 17th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Does anyone know how many appearances/starts Hughes and Chamberlain have remaining this spring?

  35. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 17th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    The Yankees have a tough decision. Phil, with a decent change, has 4 pitches…….and he’s got fantastic FB command (have no idea what it was like yesterday, but I presume it was better than it has been). Joba looked very good today – I wouldn’t want to have to make that choice.

  36. GreenBeret7 March 17th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Leah, they should each get 3-4 more games.

  37. Jerkface March 17th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    I think Aceves’ best role is a starter, but there’s no room for him in the rotation.

    So, the next best thing is to use him as a reliever.

    One of those, “it is what it is” things.

    I think using him as a reliever is fine, but then he needs to be a normal reliever. I think any reliever should be allowed to go more than 1 inning depending on how they feel/look/pitch count, but Aceves had a ton of outings where he’d throw 30-50 pitches. And each time he required time off.

    I think they should be more careful with him.

    He is super efficient though, I love Ace.

  38. S.o.S. March 17th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Put them both in the rotation and send Burnett down to AAA so that he can learn to cooperate with his catcher.

    He needs a humble pie.
    =======

    Its not like they dont have a million dollar pitcher down there already. One more cant hurt.

    I cant believe im saying this. But i agree with almost everything JERKFACE has posted today. What a difference a day makes.

  39. NYYROC March 17th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Both PH and Joba have one more appearance before the decision is made (decision on 3/24 or 3/25, per what I’ve read Joe has said)

  40. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 17th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    GB, I think they’ll only get about 1 more each before the decision is made……

  41. m March 17th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Leah,

    I think they have 1 start more.

    As for the 9th inning, some of us didn’t know about it because we looked at the box score because mlb.tv was p-oop today.

  42. charlestonchew March 17th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Aceves is a 2-3 inning reliever and the best one in MLB.

    let’s let him do what he’s been doing.

  43. Tom in NJ March 17th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Girardi has said that he wants to have the #5 guy set by next Wednesday (March 24th), right?

    Or am I wrong?

  44. CR9 March 17th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Why are people ripping Chad?

    This guy, and Sam, are a million times better than that loser before them.

    The loser who banned a-ham or a-b-r-a because he was so arrogant and self-conscious.

    Maybe if he had found a different way to build his self esteem than by bullying others, he might have been less of a tool.

    Rip Chad and Sam when they begin to bully others. Until then…

  45. NYYROC March 17th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Phil probably pitches Sunday and Joba probably Monday.

  46. Erin March 17th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Tom in NJ
    March 17th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
    Girardi has said that he wants to have the #5 guy set by next Wednesday (March 24th), right?

    Or am I wrong?

    ************************
    You’re not wrong-I’ve read the same thing

  47. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 17th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Well, at least we have two very competitive kids; both Joba and Phil seem to thrive facing off against each other. The nice thing is, they are friends and were rooting for the other to do well (I’m sure).

  48. Peter R March 17th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Now we have a contest!

    Think we can tell Gaudin and Mitre they are out.

    It is down to:
    -Aces
    -Young Master Hughes
    -JobaMANIA

    Should be fun next couple weeks of baseball.

    On another contest note…
    Has Gardener won the outfield spot from Winn and Thames yet? Do people still think he isn’t a major league caliber player?

  49. randy l. March 17th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    if i had the decision, hughes would be the fifth starter for spring 2010, and joba would be an old fashioned late inning reliever who would throw multiple innings so he could move back to the rotation more easily if necessary later in the year.

    i would also tell eiland to teach joba how to follow through consistently .

  50. stuckey March 17th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    I think many people still fundamentally misunderstand the purpose of spring training. You know the old saying “you’re only has good as your last xxxxx”, well, in spring training, it’s sort of the opposite. For players with even limited track records, if you’ve done it before they assume you’re as good as your last showing.

    If Hughes, Chamberlain or whomever is hitting their spots, throwing free and easy, have good velocity and getting some swings and misses or poor contact at the END of ST, what came before (and especially early) is MEANINGLESS.

    To suggest Hughes has a leg up based on their respective first two appearance is ridiculous.

    IF there is a competition, it will be a WEIGHTED evaluation based on what’s showing the Yankees what the want to see at the END of spring training – not a cumulative ERA.

    All players can do early is demonstrate they have an injury or look lost. Hughes and Chamberlain have now both looked FINE their last starts, which means effectively they are even with one another.

  51. GreenBeret7 March 17th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    They have 16-17 more games, so, that works out to 3-4 games and neither one would make a start through the first 10 days of the season. I would think that one or the other stays in Tampa for an extra start or so in extended ST.

  52. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 17th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    No one should be ripping Chad, Sam or Josh for anything. These guys have done a fantastic job; not happy? Go elsewhere – there are plenty of Yankee blogs to suit everyone’s tastes.

  53. RayVT March 17th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    SJ

    Truth is not in vogue anymore! I can’t believe the griping and nitpicking on here. I assume some folks may commit suicide b4 the season starts.

  54. teddy March 17th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    those whose ripping chad, care to tell us what you messed up today

  55. Eric March 17th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    Proceed with caution for today’s outing for Joba Chamberlain. Girardi’s presser will indicate something similar and another 2 looks will tell the story.

  56. CR9 March 17th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    I have an idea regarding Phil and Joba, but one that will never happen.

    Give Andy some rest to begin the year, maybe for the first month, to lessen the strain on him.

    Andy is getting up there in years and workload, and could use one less month of pitching.

    Use Phil and Joba in the starting rotation for the first month, or until you see if either is a complete bust.

    You never know, maybe they both succeed so much, and then you can have 6 in the rotation. Not likely, but possible, if one thought outside the box.

  57. CB March 17th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    “How do they keep Joba stretched out as a reliever ? I don’t see how. 1 or 2 inning stints aren’t going to cut it.”

    It wouldn’t be easy and you’d have to use the bull pen in a somewhat unconventional way.

    Most of all what you would have to do is one of two things – cut some of the starter’s starts short an inning and/or rest Mo and don’t use him in a save situation.

    That’s what it would take to give either Joba or Hughes 2-3 inning stints.

    So say with a start Andy is making. Chances are you might want to get him out after 6. Instead, even if he is throwing well and feels good you pull him after 5 and then let Joba or Hughes throw the 6th, 7nth and 8th. The next two-three games you use Robertson and Marte to set up.

    Alternatively, in a game where CC is pitching – pull him after 7 and let Joba or Phil throw both the 8th and 9th and rest Mo even if it’s a save situation.

    I doubt this happens, especially because Girardi likes match up baseball with his relievers.

    But one reason why I think it might work and would actually help the yankees win the World Series this year is due to the workloads CC, AJ, and Andy had last year.

    They threw a lot of innings and the team went all the way. Lot’s of team’s staff have had trouble the year after winning the world series due to the number of innings they had to throw. And withe the yankees you have to consider that one of those three pitchers was Andy who will be 37-38 this season and had a bad shoulder the year before last.

    This was the primary reason they traded for Vazquez.

    But they can also keep the staff fresh by leveraging their pen and using it in another way.

    I really don’t want to see CC throw the 8th inning of many games. They should give him a break to keep him fresh for October. I’d be happy to see them go 5 innings with Andy and keep him fresh as well. Same for AJ- giving him some 6 inning starts with say Joba pitching 7,8,9 would be fine by me.

    The other factor here is Mo. They should really try to do everything they can to keep him fresh for the playoffs. Last year he wasn’t 100% and he’s a year older. He doesn’t have to pitch in every save situation. Give the guy who threw the 8th the 9th as well. Or even the guy who threw the 7 and 8th the 9th as well.

    This is a very, very good team and a very deep one – especially the pitching staff. They should leverage that depth to keep their arms as fresh as possible.

    That’s the only way I think you can keep them stretched out – you have to plan on doing it.

  58. S.o.S. March 17th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    mel,
    As much as i it pains me to say this. I think if Ace doesnt have a future to start for this team. Maybe they can dangle him to a team in July. I wonder if he can get us a good leftfielder in return? Still dont believe that Crawford will hit the market.

  59. m March 17th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    Wow. Ripping Chad? I don’t think so.

    Telling someone they’re fat and to stop eating cheeseburgers is ripping someone.

  60. RayVT March 17th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    I agree about Chad, Sam & Josh doing a great job! But folks lets not be petty and say negatives about Pete! He did a great job too! Without all of them, we wouldn’t be here. It isn’t a contest for loyalty, only an appreciation of what each of us have to offer and shares.

  61. Bronx Jeers March 17th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    They actually do a decent St Patty’s Day parade down in Ybor City.

    And I’m very pleased that Joba stated his case today. I had a feeling he would. Next step is to get these guys going in innings 1-5 against the real bats.

  62. bru March 17th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    what happens if hughes gets bombed & joba is light out next time?

    very interesting

  63. SJ44 March 17th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    Ray,

    One can only hope. I would be happy to provide the Jonestown Kool Aid for some so they can do everybody a favor and end it all.

    It would be welcome for the blog, and I suspect their families, too.

    Randy,

    That’s what I would do.

    Go back and look at how many innings Mariano threw in 1996.

    Counting post-season, 120 innings.

    I don’t know why they can’t do that with Joba this year and build him back to being the power pitcher he was.

    If they do that, they get a “two-fer”. A guy who can help them win this year AND a guy they could slide back into the rotation next year.

    He is healthy enough and fit enough for that role.

    To me, it makes the most sense to utilize him in that fashion this year.

  64. Pat M. March 17th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    CB, I’ve mentioned in years past about piggybacking Hughes & Joba….I do think that ship has sailed though….Your concept would work to a good degree

  65. Alex March 17th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    What was his pitch count?

  66. RayVT March 17th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    Diveristy is a good thing! Constant complaining for the sake of it is not.

  67. m March 17th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    SoS,

    No way. You keep Aceves. Besides, he won’t net much on his own.

    Try to deal Serge & Go-Dan. Keep the good ones and dump the fringe guys.

  68. CR9 March 17th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    m

    I did not know it was you that was being accused of ripping Chad. If so, I know you wouldn’t rip them.

    I just read others complaining about the ripping of Chad.

  69. RayVT March 17th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    SJ

    In truth you are probably right!

  70. S.o.S. March 17th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Someone came in here a couple weeks ago and said that MO is hanging them up after the year. Not sure if it was someone just throwing things against the wall or had inside source. Lets just say that it was true. Does that change what future Joba holds on the team? Could that decision be a chain reaction to cement Joba in relief? Do they look in house next year or via free agency for a replacement and throw Joba back in the starters role?

  71. CR9 March 17th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    And wanted to get in a shot at Pete.

    I mean, a-b-r-a and a-ham? Seriously?

    Do we not have a guy named A-b-r-a-ham nunez?

    So none of use his first name without dashes. Ridiculous.

    Chad,

    Could you remove the filtering of the 2 examples above, and Tim Kurk-jian?

  72. John March 17th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    Pete Abe was great too– he was objective, witty, funny, and made funny digs at the Sawx.

    Chad is better, but Pete was excellent himself.

  73. MTU March 17th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    CB-

    That’s a very low probability, though obviously well thought out.

    My conclusion is that it is very unlikely they will be able to keep either JC or PH stretched out short of AAA, and we both know that ain’t happening either.

    I was very interested in your take because I though your sympathies were similar to mine.

  74. saucY March 17th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    good news. thanks Chad. i read the box score before checking the news here.

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    in other news, i drafted a team in a (free) fantasy league on Monday without really checking the league out too much.

    there are some pretty ridiculous stats in the scoring including: cycles, game winning rbi, net stolen bases (Stolen bases minus caught stealing), perfect games, no hitters, and double plays turned.

    should be interesting, to say the least…

    -=-===–=-=-======

    also, i joined the NCAA bracket thing here and created a public group for Yankee Blog Readers. If there was a group already created, I appologize.

  75. m March 17th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    I don’t think I was being accused. I took a step back and looked at the picture and there was no ripping.

    I do think that Chris was making a St. Paddy’s day joke.

    If Chad felt he was getting ripped, he’d come back with snark.

  76. Leah March 17th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    The question I asked was how many more appearances/starts do Hughes and Chamberlain have remaining this SPRING… so GreenBeret7 is right with 3 or 4.

    The question should have been: How many more appearances/starts do Hughes and Chamberlain have remaining until a decision is made?

    One makes a lot more sense. Once the decision is made, there’s no need to both guys to continue to go out there every fifth (or so) day.

  77. XLJ March 17th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Good for Joba. I hope he wins the number 5 starter job. For all those Joba belongs in the bullpen people they are forgetting that Hughes too looked like a different pitcher coming out of the bullpen than he did starting. I think they are both starter and both can be capabale 5th starters this year.

    They should keep the loser (Hughes or Chamberlain) stretched out if they use him like they did Aceves last year. Just have him pitch 3 innings (6th,7th,8th). They should only be used as 1 inning relievers in september for the stretch run or in the playoffs. That way they can still build up a decent amount of innings and let the loser start next year when Vasquez or Pettitte might be gone.

    It is kind of dumb to say to Joba or Phil you win the 5th spot or if you lose you cant start anymore.

  78. stuckey March 17th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    “I wonder if he can get us a good leftfielder in return? ”

    Name a good leftfielder…

  79. John March 17th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Didn’t Girardi say the loser of the competition is going to set up MO?

  80. Pat M. March 17th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    SJ, Did Tony make it through the St. Patrick’s Day cut ???/

  81. S.o.S. March 17th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    CR9,
    I agree with your P.A. take. Chad and Sam have not ripped or humiliated anyone since theyve taken over. Its a noticable change to say the least.

  82. charlestonchew March 17th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    Pete’s tragic flaw was his A-Rod hate.

    He was terrible with it. Awful.

    Everything else about him was great. Extremely great.

  83. CB March 17th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Pat M.,

    I like the piggy back idea as well. Though the guy to piggy back this year might be Andy. Before Andy rediscovered his cutter towards the middle of the year he looked lousy. Keeping his arm fresh is a priority.

    Whoever winds up in the pen – Joba or Hughes – I’d really like to see that player get 4-6 innings out of the pen each turn through the rotation.

    But to do that you would have to plan it.

    You know baseball – it’s the starter’s game as long as he feels strong.

    The yankees would have to convince the starters that it’s in everyone’s best interest to limit workloads – which means some of the starters coming out an inning earlier than they otherwise would.

  84. ITC 99 March 17th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    If Joba is throwing in the pen as well as he threw today, Girardi is going to be awfully tempted to use him in late inning, high leverage situations rather than as a long man just to get him innings.

    If you put him in the pen, Girardi has to use him he feels in the best way to win. If anything else is a consideration, send him to the minors.

  85. SJ44 March 17th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Pat M,

    No. He got sent down yesterday to get ready for Bradenton’s season.

    Opening Night is April 8 in Brandenton.

    I’ll be at that game and spend the weekend to see the 3 game series in Tampa between the Yankees and Rays.

  86. Leah March 17th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    “They should keep the loser (Hughes or Chamberlain) stretched out if they use him like they did Aceves last year. Just have him pitch 3 innings (6th,7th,8th).”

    So you’re going to leave Robertson, Marte, Aceves (and others) in the dust?

  87. Leah March 17th, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    My bad, obviously the ‘loser’ won’t be pitching 3 innings everyday. Meaning, the other guys will still get their appearances. Sorry

  88. Pat M. March 17th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    S.O.S…..You’re right, since Pete took flight to Beantown, nobody here has been tosseed or even been accessed a Technical foul….Though will change once the season starts, and that Boston Chrisitna comes rowing into town…..Old Pte was funny at times when he played Playground monitor……He & GB were classice confrontations, but Pete knew he couldn’t toss The GB……The Backlash would kill him

  89. Jerkface March 17th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    I’ll be at that game and spend the weekend to see the 3 game series in Tampa between the Yankees and Rays.

    Oh goodie, I’ll be there too >:)

  90. Nick in SF March 17th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    Great work, Joba!

    Put that in your ivory pipe and smoke it, Little Lord Phil-auntleroy!

  91. Pat M. March 17th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    SJ, Just think a year ago Tony is playing for BC…And today he spent 4 weeks in a Big League Spring Training Camp….A taste that will drive him for more…..Really is great….He’s going to take off this season..

  92. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 17th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    Joba flips the people’s finger at his SP critics today.

  93. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 17th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    I couldn’t agree with CB more and I hope that’s what the Yankees do. We have a good pen – let’s trust it. I really wanted Phil to pitch multiple innings last year…….

  94. S.o.S. March 17th, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    PatM,
    And here i thought the only reason GB was never ejected was that he had pictures of Pete wearing his birthday suit. They were CLASSIC. I was always nervous coming in here the next day hoping GB wasnt voted off the island.

  95. blake March 17th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Good for Joba today. I didn’t get to see it but sounds like he came to play today. The best case scenerio would be for Hughes and Chamberlain both to continue to throw well and make the decision very difficult for the Yankees to make. Whether its in the pen or rotation, having those two right would be a huge plus for the 20

  96. blake March 17th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Good for Joba today. I didn’t get to see it but sounds like he came to play today. The best case scenerio would be for Hughes and Chamberlain both to continue to throw well and make the decision very difficult for the Yankees to make. Whether its in the pen or rotation, having those two right would be a huge plus for the 2010 team

  97. m March 17th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    “Joe does a great job of motivating his players, pushing them and getting what he needs and wants out of them,” Chamberlain said. “I give him a little bit of the credit, because sometimes you need a kick in the rear.”

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blo.....z0iTJZn93r

  98. Tom in NJ March 17th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    “Joba flips the people’s finger at his SP critics today”

    Joba is the opiate of the people!

  99. Jerkface March 17th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    “I’m going to fight with all my heart and everything I’ve got to win that job and help this team win.”

    Looks like Joba needs some humbling, he just put winning his own personal job over the team winning games.

    To AAA with him!

  100. teddy March 17th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    hmmm the best he could help this team is by being a good starter

  101. ANSKY March 17th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Last eyar I was all for Joba in the rotation. This year, if Joba is in the bullpen because all five guys in the rotation are better starters than him, then I guess Joba in the Pen is worth looking at. He’s proven his worth there.

    If the situation suddenly calls for him to return to the rotation, he could. Pettitte, Burnett … who knows … maybe one gets hurt. Maybe Hughes just hits a major funk mid year, or runs out of gas in August. Maybe any one of the starters has an off year. Someone always does. It could be anything … none of those are predictions, just hypotheticals. Joba could be an option if any sort of a situation arises.

    I’m still for seeing how the rest of the spring goes and having the decision made in the final week. Realize, o jumpers of tall bridges, that that decision is just how the season starts. Things can always change.

    I have little doubt Hughes or Chamberlain could be good starters. In 2011 maybe they both will. In 2011 maybe Cliff Lee comes to the Yanks so Chamberlain becomes Mariano’s heir. Whatever makes the team better. But the five best available starters should always be the five starters.

    Got that, McVly?

  102. tjd - Yankees again in 2010! March 17th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Good for Joba. Really want to see him make it as the 5th starter, mainly because he’s got no more innings cap after all the bs restrictions the past few years. (seriously, I appreciate we want to avoid a Dusty Baker/Mark Prior situation but look at what the Tigers did with Pordello last year as a blue print to bring a kid along)

  103. Doreen - 2010 GTLU March 17th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    CR9

    Just have to chime in here. PeteA banned those a-h-a-m things because back in the beginning of this blog, he often posted down here with us and joined in some conversations. After a time, people started to impersonate him and it was not always easy to tell who was who – and the impersonators were pretty nasty. I’d say he did the blog a favor at the time by banning those things.

    Now that he is no longer the author of this blog, perhaps some of the banned items can be un-banned, but there was good reason for it.

    ******

    I was out today and am just catching up. I’m glad Joba had a good outing. Again, I have to thank SJ, CB and Randy l for their contributions here with regard to the Joba analysis. And, I want to thank m for trying to keep things straight! :)

    *******

    But I did like the “wait and see” post the best! :)

  104. Nick in SF March 17th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    If Joba would listen to Girardi, Eiland (maybe), and Karter Chamberlain, and tune out the other noise, he’d be unstoppable!

    (and listen to his catcher, of course, but that would occur as a result of listening to the aforementioned)

  105. Rich in NJ March 17th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    “Telling someone they’re fat and to stop eating cheeseburgers is ripping someone.”

    Not if they are fat and actually eat cheeseburgers.

    Just sayin’.

  106. austinmac March 17th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Joba does seem to need extra motivation in his starts. I seem to recall Girardi applying it before Joba’s good stretch in July. Some folks need more fo a push than others. The team should keep this in mind. I’m sure they do.

  107. S.o.S. March 17th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    NSF,
    Sorry man. I have Cal losing in the first round. UTEP, Sienna and a team that started with a C i believe(dont have the list with me)going on to the second round. Kansan, K state, Kentucky and W.V. in the final four withe Kansas beating W.V. to win it all. I almost did an eriKa and had the final four K’s. Have you finished your yet? Who do you have in the final 4

  108. m March 17th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    Rich,

    lol. No it’s not anyone’s business what a blog host eats.

    Anyway, those were the kind of dumbies who associated the quality of one’s work with their diet.

  109. Chad Jennings March 17th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    New post.

  110. Rich in NJ March 17th, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    True, m, but that host was often out of line by mocking players that he didn’t like, so it was kind of an example of what goes around comes around.

  111. S.o.S. March 17th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    Pete didnt sleep much from what i can recall. If you were up 23 hours of the day, you would probably have the munchies. Unless you were being distracted by a Bruce Springstein concert.
    I finish off my goodies staying up to see SNL on saturdays. Then starve myself for days after.

  112. Nick in SF March 17th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    S.o.S.: no problem, I don’t take that kind of vicious betrayal pesonally at all. The betting public has shifted the line from Cal being a 1-point ‘dog to being either a pick ‘em or a 1-point favorite, but I’d be shocked if Louisville wasn’t the majority pick on brackets.

    I keep on reading that Cal could give Duke a real tough time but probably won’t get past Louisville. We’ll see!

    Haven’t filled out my brackets yet, I’m lagging.

  113. S.o.S. March 17th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    My bad Nick. Had Duke not Kentucky. Get to it! Want to know your picks before it all starts tomorrow. Who’s your cinderella team?

  114. you can call me ray, or you can call me jay March 17th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    “One can only hope. I would be happy to provide the Jonestown Kool Aid for some so they can do everybody a favor and end it all.

    It would be welcome for the blog, and I suspect their families, too.”

    What the heck?

    SJ…you are a complete jerk and a comment like that is really beyond the pale. You aren’t the judge, jury and executioner of anyone here.

  115. MikeT March 17th, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    Joba will be the fifth starter. That’s been the plan all along.

    The Yankees created the competition for the fifth spot to send a message to Joba. They spent a year building up his innings so they can finally throw away the Joba rules and have him prepare for a 200-inning season. They’re not going then turn right back around and put him in the pen, especially since Hughes will be under his own rules for 2010, limited to about 140 innings.

    It’s Joba’s to lose. He won’t.

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