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Notes from Friday

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Podcast on Mar 19, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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After this afternoon’s game, manager Joe Girardi was asked which was more impressive: CC Sabathia’s start or Alex Rodriguez’s monster home run over the scoreboard in left field.

“I really liked what CC did today,” Girardi said. “His last two starts he has been extremely efficient, and he had command all day today. Outstanding changeup. Very good breaking ball. Pace was great. It’s pretty much what CC is.”

But that home run? Girardi just smiled.

“Alex’s ball was pretty impressive,” he said.

Here’s Sabathia talking about his outing. He was happy with just about everything, but said he still wants to work on burying the ball inside against right-handers. ”Felt a lot better today,” he said. “Offspeed pitches were good. Changeup was really good. Got some swing and misses on my cutter, so I was pleased with today.”

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• How did Rodriguez feel about the home run? “That one felt really good,” he said. “Because it wasn’t an everyday home run.”

• It felt good, but as you might expect, Rodriguez wasn’t too worked up over his first home run.  ”My emphasis the first part of spring training is to go out and make sure I get my work done, and that goes way early in the morning,” he said. “As you get closer to opening day, obviously you want to make sure you hone in on your swing, and so far so good. I had a really good session with Kevin Long and Butchie (Wynegar) on one of the back fields a couple of days ago, and we’re on schedule.”

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• Mariano Rivera threw only 10 pitches today, but that was enough. He didn’t throw any more in the bullpen and he’s scheduled to pitch again on Sunday.

• Damaso Marte has been pushed back to Sunday. “We’re just going to give him an extra day,” Girardi said. Marte said his back feels better, but not 100 percent. “Outside it’s fine,” he said. “Inside I still feel it.”

• I know he’s one of the smallest names in camp, but minor league veteran Jon Weber had two more hits today and has a .588 average. Girardi acknowledged that Weber is probably going to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, but it’s “very possible” that he would be in the big league mix if he were a right-handed hitter instead of a lefty.

• Girardi once again backed up Marcus Thames, who went 0-for-3 and has a .120 spring average. “He’s had some good at-bats,” Girardi said. “He’s had some line outs. I’m OK with where he’s at.”

• Alfredo Aceves, Boone Logan and Dustin Moseley are scheduled to pitch on the road tomorrow. Marte was originally scheduled for the trip, but obviously he’s no longer going. I assume they’ll add a fourth pitcher between now and tomorrow.

• Position players not going on tomorrow’s road trip: Jesus Montero, Jorge Posada, Derek Jeter, Juan Miranda, Ramiro Pena, Brett Gardner, Curtis Granderson, Nick Swisher and Randy Winn.

Both pictures are from The Associated Press.

UPDATE, 4:50 p.m.: The Yankees just optioned Romulo Sanchez to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre and reassigned Ryan Pope to minor league camp. 

 
 

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162 Responses to “Notes from Friday”

  1. Johnny March 19th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Girardi once again backed up Marcus Thames, who went 0-for-3 and has a .120 spring average. “He’s had some good at-bats,” Girardi said. “He’s had some line outs. I’m OK with where he’s at.”

    ——————-

    Take that, Hoffman-fans.

  2. Rich in NJ March 19th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    LGY

    With regard to CC’s opt out: It’s all the more reason why the Yankees have to develop both Hughes and Joba as starters.

  3. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 19th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    “There is no upside to CC opting out. Nobody is paying him $23 million for 5 years. He could probably get $20 mil if he decides he wants to go out West and take a modest discount, but he will not get more than he would be getting from us.”

    ———————————-

    I can count 20, 40 and maybe even 60 million dollars worth of upside :) . And he can get more, from us.

  4. Erin March 19th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    Love the pictures :)

  5. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 19th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    Rich,

    I think we are very much in agreement on that.

  6. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 19th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    They’d better be careful with Marte. I know this is his back and not his shoulder (as it was last year), but he was never 100% unti late in the year. If it means Marte has to be sidelined until past Sunday, I’m fine with that; let him stay down in Florida for an extra couple of weeks – it’s no big deal if he comes to NY later than everyone else if it means he’s 100%.

    Halladay was good friends with AJ, but he preferred to go to the Phillies over the Yankees. I know it’s not the same thing because the Jays didn’t want to trade within the division, but Doc could have waited one year and then gone to NY if that was his first choice. Therefore, I don’t believe these guys when they say they want to play in NY (or wherever) to be with their friends.

  7. Rich in NJ March 19th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    “Take that, Hoffman-fans.”

    Would you really expect him to rip him? He’s been similarly full of it when asked about Albaladejo.

    I wouldn’t take it too seriously.

  8. Chad Jennings March 19th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Just updated the post: Romulo Sanchez has been optioned to Triple-A and Ryan Pope has been reassigned to the minor league complex.

    With that, I have to get on the road. I have a pretty long drive to the Rays spring training complex. Day-night double header in two different cities. I’m glad this is only a spring training thing.

  9. CR9 March 19th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Albalagarbage has not been dumped yet?

  10. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 19th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Why in the world wouldn’t he?

    CC isn’t A-Rod.

    ———————————

    Almost every player in baseball is like A-Rod when it comes to money.

  11. stuckey March 19th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    “CC opting out is just going to be an unnecessary distraction for him and will take away some of his goodwill with the fans/media/organization… because it will appear that he wants to test the market or perhaps doesn’t want to be here or is trying to milk every last penny from us. None of those things will be looked at positively.”

    Then why does any star go on the free agent market? Free agents leave their teams ALL the time. How did Sabathia somehow become married to the Yankees?

    And let me be clear. If Sabathis opts out, he’ll do it with the intention of getting a better deal from the Yankees, which he’ll likely get.

    “There is no upside to CC opting out. Nobody is paying him $23 million for 5 years.”

    You that certain the Yankees wouldn’t?

    I’m not.

  12. Jerkface March 19th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Jerkface, as is my habit, I just can’t look at a player’s stats in a vacuum and assign a numerical value to them.

    The team make-up is important too. I just don’t see him making the team that much better.

    Perhaps if Montero regresses, Jeter and/or A-Rod show considerable drop-off, Granderson doesn’t bounce back and Swisher time travels to 2008, maybe.

    But this team should still be a greatly above average offensive team for the foreseeable future.

    You don’t sign Carl Crawford because you are worried about the Yankee’s offense. You sign Carl Crawford because you want to have a really good left fielder on the team and one is available.

    Adam Dunn, Carl Crawford, and Jason Werth are the only good hitting outfielders available in free agency who don’t have options on their current team.

    Nick Swisher’s contract runs through 2011 with an option for 2012, and Granderson’s runs through 2012 with an option for 2013.

    Signing Crawford will give stability to the outfield and allow Gardner to move to the bench where he probably should be.

    Additionally, 2012′s outfield free agent class doesn’t look too great. Alot of injury prone guys who might command large contracts (JD Drew, Beltran)

  13. Pat M. March 19th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Yanks want very much for Marcus Thames to be the right hand bat off the bench…..Thunder stick

  14. Melkman is in Hotlanta March 19th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    I must vote Trishalicious the award for consistently demonstrating transcendental levels of verbal perspicuity ;)

  15. stuckey March 19th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    “CC isn’t A-Rod.”

    Is CC Lebron James? Dwayne Wade? Chris Bosh? Kobe Bryant?

    All of these players how or will decline options to stay with the team that drafted them to get more year and money, perhaps from the team that drafted them.

    To suggest Sabathia put the option in his contract after 3 years in case he didn’t like living in NY is ludicrous.

    It was going to take him 3 years to decide?

    Good gracious…

  16. Rich in NJ March 19th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    “Halladay was good friends with AJ, but he preferred to go to the Phillies over the Yankees.”

    Is there a link to a quote that supports that, Betsy?

  17. Pat M. March 19th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Jerkface, It’s just Crawford the ballplayer, it’s Crawford with the Yankees and how much he brings to the club…..He’ll be dynamite in Pinstripes

  18. HolyYankee! March 19th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Sorry I am new to this forum. i just copy and paste from previous thread as I guess that “new thread” means the thread is closed.

    I still think Mauer can be a Yankee because Gonzales and Pujols are 1B with 2011 option. Yankees already have Teixeria but Red Sox may need both Mauer and either 1B. That would edge Yankees by a mile if it happened.

    Yankees stole Teixeria from Red Sox and may need to do the same thing to Mauer in order to have better edge even Red Sox successfully get either 1B.

    Right now, Yankees should monitor Mauer and Gonzalez contract situation because both are killer left handed hitters who fit in AL East beautifully. No way for Yankees to let Red Sox land 2 out of 3 mentioned players.

    ========
    I think Hal should let Hank to take over the Yankee franchise and Hal should buy the Mets franchise. Yankee team will be filled by big buck FA and Mets will be filled by youngsters and prospects. Sound good? lol.

    =========
    Did we forget about closer? Rivera will be a free agent and is dealing with arm injury. Do you think Mark Melancon is on right track or what? I get feeling that he is only our option right now. Noesi and Nova could be another candidates as well as Kontos if he wants to be in majors next season.

  19. Tom B - March 19th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    No way CC opts out, there will be no money left in this country after this summer.

  20. Rich in NJ March 19th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    I think CC’s option offered him exactly that, an option. But baseball economics are basically flat at the top and deflationary everywhere else. Unless that changes, the option may not confer any real financial advantage.

  21. Johnny March 19th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    Cashman is the one who desperately gave him the opt out clause. Thus, he should not be angered if CC decides to use it to try and get more money from us.

    Folks seem to think the opt out clause was only there in case he wanted to bolt if he didn’t like NY. That’s true, but it also allows him to go back on the market before his 32nd birthday to get one last big payday if he excels here.

    He would be a fool not to exercise it.

  22. Carl March 19th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    Why are you bringing up CC’s opt out clause now btw? If he opts out we can get 2 draft picks and Pujols

  23. ITC 99 March 19th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    Crawford for 5 years/$75 mil is not outrageous by any stretch.

    He will use work that short porch perfectly just like Damon did.

  24. Jason March 19th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    Really? CC’s out clause? That’s what everyone is worried about today?

    Unreal.

  25. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 19th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    “Additionally, 2012’s outfield free agent class doesn’t look too great. Alot of injury prone guys who might command large contracts (JD Drew, Beltran)”

    ————————–

    Who knows if these guys hit the market but the 2013 OF class though is something to look forward to!

    Kemp, BJ Upton, Sizemore, Ethier

  26. Rich in NJ March 19th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    Yes, let’s discuss the finer points of Greg Golson’s swing.

  27. Jerkface March 19th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    Crawford is also a great person and good in the community. He fits pretty much every criteria for a guy that Cashman and Girardi target.

    I’ve met him a number of times at various Rays games/fanfests and he is really great with the fans. I have a hilarious autograph from him where he signed the only thing I had (a coupon for free fries to Checkers/Rallies) with “Have a great fries! – CC”

  28. Carl March 19th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    stuckey March 19th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    “CC isn’t A-Rod.”

    Is CC Lebron James? Dwayne Wade? Chris Bosh? Kobe Bryant?

    All of these players how or will decline options to stay with the team that drafted them to get more year and money, perhaps from the team that drafted them.

    To suggest Sabathia put the option in his contract after 3 years in case he didn’t like living in NY is ludicrous.

    It was going to take him 3 years to decide?

    Good gracious…

    Do any of those players you listed have an opt out clause or are they finishing out their contracts right now? The only player you listed that has a opt out clause is Kobe, but I’m sure he will get an extension.

    If Beckett, Lackey, Verlander, Halladay, Felix, all won’t get what CC is making in the final 4 years after the opt out, what sense does it make for CC to try to hit the open market at age 32?

  29. Doreen - 2010 GTLU March 19th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Holy Yankee -

    The old posts never officially close – but sometimes you can end up talking to yourself there once a new post arrives. And then there are times, like the other night (Bracket Post), when a new post doesn’t get any interest and people just stay with the same conversation in the old post. :)

    I almost always end up with the last post in an old thread and have to copy & paste to the new one (which I don’t always do).

  30. Pat M. March 19th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Corection, It’s just not Crawford the ballpayer, it’s Crawford the Yankee and how he’d improve the dynamics of the club…..

  31. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! March 19th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    Melkman – :lol:

    Pat M – I am really getting psyched about tomorrow. I’m sure it will be an electric atmostphere!

  32. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 19th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    What happens with Joba and Hughes this year could be very important to what happens with CC.

  33. Melkman is in Hotlanta March 19th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    CC has the best of both worlds with that crafty opt out in his contract. He is a mercenary and thus is what he is.

  34. Dazz March 19th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Heyman reported that the Angels made a last minute $150 dollar offer to CC (this isin’t a Boras client, so he has no reason to lie). The small market Brewers offered him $100 million a year in a recession.

    And considering we made our $150 million dollar offer days into FA, that probably severely dissuaded other teams from making offers (that was probably our plan going in).

    The money will be there for CC if he really wanted to shop himself. He would be smart to see what is out there. The Yanks are not just going to let him walk, either.

  35. S.o.S. March 19th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    I cant beieve the Yankees passed on the teams opt out cluase after year one of Kei’s contract. They thought the Scranton apparel would be a big hit in Japan and pay for itself. Im sure they wish they had a do over right about now.

  36. stuckey March 19th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Jerkface, I’ve been threw this before so I’m going to approach this another way.

    First of all, you don’t sign players in a vacuum. There are budgetary concerns.

    So let me ask this:

    Take Crawford’s best season. Assume that’s worth $15m (for sake of discussion) and a contract taking a guy who relies on this legs into his mid-ish 30s.

    Now put him on these Yankees.

    Now assume the Yankees alternative leftfielder is very good defensively. Maybe not the best, but good.

    So without naming games, how much production do you need to get out of LF offensively to make you reconsider spending 15 to 20 TIMES that amount over the life of the contract.

    That’s a MULTIPLE of 15 to 20, not $15 or $20 million more?

  37. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 19th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    Would it really be that surprising if CC was able to get a 7 year contract after the opt out if Burnett and Lackey got 5?

    He is in a very good position. Smartest like Hotlanta has ever said: He has the best of both worlds with that opt out.

  38. stuckey March 19th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    “Corection, It’s just not Crawford the ballpayer, it’s Crawford the Yankee and how he’d improve the dynamics of the club…..”

    How much better do they need to be?

  39. Y 27 March 19th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Amare all have player options to opt out. They are not FAs, but all of those guys will opt out. All have made quotes indicating they will. Makes no sense to delay their big payday.

  40. HolyYankee! March 19th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    thanks, doreen.

    If Yankees won one more WS ring with Yankees then CC could opt out to live in California. He is not a hall of fame worthy anyway. 13-15 M is more than enough for someone who wants to be homey.

    Crawford is a tempting one. For more money, he offers a lot that Gardner simply could not match. I am still all for getting Mauer. If Yankees managed to get Mauer without losing Montero then they could send Montero to Marlins for Josh Johnson or even Felix Hernandez.

  41. Rich in NJ March 19th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    I would not give CC 7 more years. I’d say goodbye.

  42. S.o.S. March 19th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    I almost always end up with the last post in an old thread and have to copy & paste to the new one (which I don’t always do).

    ====

    Doreen,
    Id like to challenge that comment Doreen and say im the champion buzz killer of each thread. Its easy to find out, we’ll just have one of these research experts dig up the last 2 years of threads and give us the winner.

  43. KWAN March 19th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    2011 lineup

    Jeter
    Crawford
    Texeira
    ARod
    Cano
    Posada
    Montero
    Swisher
    Granderson

    Tell me that doesn’t get you excited.

  44. stuckey March 19th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    “Do any of those players you listed have an opt out clause or are they finishing out their contracts right now? The only player you listed that has a opt out clause is Kobe, but I’m sure he will get an extension.”

    All three of those players need to opt out of the final year of their current contracts to hit the open market.

    None of them become free agents by default. It’s just assumed they will exercise that option, which should say something.

    “If Beckett, Lackey, Verlander, Halladay, Felix, all won’t get what CC is making in the final 4 years after the opt out, what sense does it make for CC to try to hit the open market at age 32?”

    Because he has nothing to lose.

    Again, your argument is dependent on the idea that if he opts out and tests the market, and finds nothing better (as you suggest) and comes back to the Yankees with the proposal to simply resign at the same exact terms he opted out of, that the Yankees would let perhaps the best lefthanded, workhorse starter in the game walk away.

    To suggest Cashman would either welcome being out from under the contract or would refuse outta spite is incredibly naive.

  45. Jerkface March 19th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Stuckey, a guy like Gardner is never going to slug .450. Gardner might never slug .410. So who is your alternative in left to Crawford?

    If I’m Cashman I sign crawford because he has guaranteed production that will extend past Swisher and Granderson’s contracts. Crawford has such a mix of speed, defense, and power for a left fielder that he is a great fit for the team.

    You’d have to guarantee me that gardner would be able to get on base better than .345 every season with a slugging over .400 for me to recommend not signing CC.

    Crawford is just a nobrainer to me for the Yankees. Theres not a can’t miss outfield guy in our system that would replace him or couldn’t end up playing RF anyways (when Swisher departs)

  46. 4time March 19th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Where there’s smoke there’s fire…. Verducci is yet another guy who says we are very interested in Crawford.

    SJ thinks we get him too.

  47. Pat M. March 19th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Stuckey, They get younger and better plus they have a leadoff hitter for the next 4-5 years….You keep restocking to stay ahead of the decining years that are approaching several of the everyday ballplayers……No need to take me to task on this….I do think the Yanks have been looking to this for a few years now…..

  48. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 19th, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    Crawford will turn 29 this August. So a 4-5 year contract would take him through 33-34. His legs should probably not be a problem at that age. Either way I want to see if Crawford can replicate or improve on last year before saying either way on whether I want him to be a Yankee. Who knows, maybe Gardner becomes an above average major leaguer or Curtis continues to open eyes.

  49. Walrus March 19th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    What is wrong with a 2011 rotation of

    Burnett
    Hughes
    Chamberlain
    McAllister
    Nova

    If CC opts out? And if Vazquez signs a short term deal, pencil him in there instead of Nova.

    We can live without CC. If he opts out, Hal will probably be thrilled to be off the hook for his contract and got his 3 best years out of him and (atleast 1) championship.

    Get rid of a player 2 years too soon rather than 2 years too late…

  50. Carl March 19th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Again, your argument is dependent on the idea that if he opts out and tests the market, and finds nothing better (as you suggest) and comes back to the Yankees with the proposal to simply resign at the same exact terms he opted out of, that the Yankees would let perhaps the best lefthanded, workhorse starter in the game walk away.

    To suggest Cashman would either welcome being out from under the contract or would refuse outta spite is incredibly naive.

    He won’t find anything better. Roy Halladay is 32. He can make 80 million in 4 years. CC will be able to make 102. If he opts out he wont be a Yankee.

  51. S.o.S. March 19th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    GB7 brought up a few weeks ago that he would be worried about how much wear and tear Crawfords wheels have taken in the tampa turf. Would he be elite without his gifted speed?What do you guys think about that concern?

  52. stuckey March 19th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    “Unless that changes, the option may not confer any real financial advantage.”

    Agreed, but in absence of a worst case scenario (no one, including the Yankees offering a deal matching the years amount he opts out of), there is no reason NOT to.

    Bear in mind. I think Sabathia will be a Yankee in three years. But I also can’t imagine why he wouldn’t use the option.

  53. Dan March 19th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Pretty simple

    Sign Crawford. Let Swisher play out his contract (2 more yrs), let him go and replace him with Romine in RF.

    Granderson has 4 more yrs on his deal so he isin’t going anywhere.

  54. Jerkface March 19th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    GB7 brought up a few weeks ago that he would be worried about how much wear and tear Crawfords wheels have taken in the tampa turf. Would he be elite without his gifted speed?What do you guys think about that concern?

    He hasn’t shown any decline yet, and getting him off the turf would be a benefit to him. I’ve been in the outfield at Tropicana and its weird, but I’m not sure how FieldTurf affects the body like the old astroturf or whatever another stadium might use.

  55. stuckey March 19th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    “He won’t find anything better. Roy Halladay is 32. He can make 80 million in 4 years. CC will be able to make 102. If he opts out he wont be a Yankee.”

    You still don’t get it…

    Sabathia is owed $23 a year from 2012-15.

    If he performs the next two years as he did in 2009, opts out, finds no better or longer deal and comes back tot he Yankees saying he will resign for 4 years at $23m, you’re suggesting the Yankees will refuse?

  56. Dan March 19th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    Halladay chose to take less money to be in Philly.

    If he wanted to, he could have started a Yankees-Sox bidding war this winter, along with the Phillies and the Mets and Angels (who wanted him badly).

    He could have matched CC’s contract if he chose to. So could King Felix or Verlander or Linceucm if they hit the market.

    Beckett/Lackey are 2nd tier, just like Burnett was. They also do not have anywhere near the durability of CC. Thus, they will all get paid around $85 mil.

  57. Pat M. March 19th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    Just the thought of Granderson & Crawford in the same outfield has to make any Yankee fan just salvitate….

  58. Erica - always OPPC March 19th, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    Rich in NJ
    March 19th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
    I would not give CC 7 more years. I’d say goodbye.

    ************

    I don’t know why you say goodbye, I say hello

    (Disclaimer- I would not give CC more money. But I can never resist a Beatles quote)

  59. Carl March 19th, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    stuckey March 19th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    “He won’t find anything better. Roy Halladay is 32. He can make 80 million in 4 years. CC will be able to make 102. If he opts out he wont be a Yankee.”

    You still don’t get it…

    Sabathia is owed $23 a year from 2012-15.

    If he performs the next two years as he did in 2009, opts out, finds no better or longer deal and comes back tot he Yankees saying he will resign for 4 years at $23m, you’re suggesting the Yankees will refuse?

    So CC would be saying, Let me see if I can get more money on the open market, but if I don’t, I will come back?

  60. Doreen - 2010 GTLU March 19th, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    S.O.S. -

    Sadly, there’s probably someone here who could do that (dig up the old posts). I’m okay saying it’s a tie, how about you? :lol:

  61. stuckey March 19th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    “Stuckey, a guy like Gardner is never going to slug .450. Gardner might never slug .410.”

    I never implied he would.

    “You’d have to guarantee me that gardner would be able to get on base better than .345 every season with a slugging over .400 for me to recommend not signing CC.”

    Fair enough. That’s the answer I requested. Let’s see if what they get out of LF approximates that.

  62. Jerkface March 19th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Its fun when my opinion lines up with the old schoolers, less arguing required >:)

  63. PittsburghYankeeFan March 19th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Please wake me up when spring training is over.

    As long as nobody gets hurt, and everyone gets their AB, what’s the big deal?

    Hughes is going to start, Joba is going to the pen, and the Yankees become a team you have to beat before the 7th with Aceves/Robertson et al.

    Fat chance of that happening in 2010, Sawx.

    Stash Mitre and Gaudin somewhere in AAA if you can. If not, trade one/both for AA or AAA position players. Yankees will survive with the current OF (I think Hoffman is gone) until the trade deadline.

    Wake me up around April 4th for the opener.

  64. Jerkface March 19th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    I never implied he would.

    Fair enough. That’s the answer I requested. Let’s see if what they get out of LF approximates that.

    I said that first bit, because its the clear difference in game between Crawford and Gardner. Crawford is a .300 hitter with power from the left side. He also has great speed. Gardner has the potential to steal 40+ bags but he hasn’t done it yet. I want him to do it this season.

    Crawford, we know, CAN do it. He also has a career high of 18 HRs, which we know would get a jump in NYS.

    Crawford is very superior to Gardner. Gardner’s biggest differentiator is his patience, which he needs to harness to get the most out of his limited power. Looking forward to seeing what Gardner can do with 1 good season under his belt.

  65. S.o.S. March 19th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Doreen,
    Your too nice. I thought we can have something for them to do. O.k. DEAL.

    PatM,
    How are your bets going so far?

    jerkface,
    lol. Lose the battle and win the war.

  66. JJ March 19th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Crawford is going to hit many more HRs in YS… his swing was made for that just like Damon’s was.

    And he would be 34 at the end of a 5 year deal. His speed isin’t going to just disappear. Damon stole almost 30 bases at age 34 and his speed wasn’t even close to Crawford’s level.

    He is an all-round player… speed, defense, arm, can hit for power, doubles, triples. Would be a very good investment.

  67. stuckey March 19th, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    “So CC would be saying, Let me see if I can get more money on the open market, but if I don’t, I will come back?”

    EXACTLY…

    And before you immediately suggest the Yankees would take offense to his greed and refuse outta spite, ask yourself a few questions…

    - How valuable is a left-handed in NYS), perpetual CY Young candidate, 230 inning workhorse how had a great postseason?

    - How easy is he to replace?

    - Would you welcome with open arms Joe Mauer if he opted for free agency, a Minnesota boy abandoning his hometown for free agent dollars?

  68. Jerkface March 19th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    lol. Lose the battle and win the war.

    Not sure what battle I’m losing or war I’m winning!

  69. Tank March 19th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Damon and Crawford are very similar players, except Crawford is miles better defensively and has much more speed. Not to mention Damon was 32 when he hit the market and Crawford is 29.

    Damon was a very good investment for us, why wouldn’t Crawford?

  70. Trevor March 19th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    “2011 lineup

    Jeter
    Crawford
    Texeira
    ARod
    Cano
    Posada
    Montero
    Swisher
    Granderson

    Tell me that doesn’t get you excited”

    Yeah, nice balanced lineup.

  71. stuckey March 19th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    “Crawford is very superior to Gardner.”

    I’m not suggesting otherwise. What I’m ASKING is how much better do the Yankees need him to be?

    How much worse does a Yankee LF need to be to justify paying him 30 TIMES what it might cost the Yankees with other options?

    I’m asking someone to please consider this factor. I don’t need to be convinced Carl Crawford will likely represent the best case LF scenario in 2011. I gladly concede this point.

    I just don’t know if his production justifies the expense, which is considerable when you factor it against your other options.

  72. Pat M. March 19th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    S.o.S….I hit 3 of 4 this morning ( Sienna lost )…So for the Tourney, I’m up a few Benji’s…..Jerkface, you’re looking at the game ( Carl Crawford ) from a dugout perspective….This is a good thing…..

  73. Jerkface March 19th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    I just don’t know if his production justifies the expense, which is considerable when you factor it against your other options.


    I understand the money point, but why are the Yankees being money conscious in this scenario? Where is the money that would be spent on CC going?

    Pettitte, Vazquez, Nick Johnson won’t be on the books. Posada will leave in 2011. The Yankees have resources and should spend them.

    I think the value of maintaining LF for 5 years will be worth the money to the Yankees. LF in yankee stadium is huge, and having a productive bat AND defensive minded outfielder in that spot should be worth it.

    Crawford gives the Yankees 10+ HRs, GG defense, and 40 steals. Not sure any replacement would offer that, and thats worth 15 mil even if Gardner can give us 4, GG D, and 40 steals.

  74. HolyYankee! March 19th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    AJ Burnett has trade option so Yankees could trade him to any team on his approval list.

    What about Mark Melancon? Is he actually on the right track to be a full time closer?

  75. Pat M. March 19th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Suckey, what other options….Yanks operate on the premise of being a plus at as many positions as possible…Besides, it’s still about putting fannies in the seats…Crawford fills both bills…….I mean, I suppose there’s other options at 3rd / SS as well, but they really don’t have a problem paying 50 times over the going rate….You spend money ( wisely ) to make money….And that is the Yankee way….Do remember they play 81 games on the road, Star power is an attraction…As is winning

  76. S.o.S. March 19th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Lost are the battle of opinions. Thus winning the war of words. Im lost writing this crap. Scratch that.

  77. Johnson March 19th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    “Crawford gives the Yankees 10+ HRs, GG defense, and 40 steals. Not sure any replacement would offer that, and thats worth 15 mil even if Gardner can give us 4, GG D, and 40 steals.”

    10 HRs? If I’m paying him $15 mil a year, that is unacceptable.

  78. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 19th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    If CC does not opt out it pretty much means that the Yankees added a nice extension to his contract negating the reason to opt out.

  79. Rich on the 6 train March 19th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Any thoughts if the Yanks don’t go with either Hoffman or Thames. Do they take a chance with Golson? He could fill in as a pinch runner or someone else.
    Hoffman and Thames are not making a real competition.

  80. stuckey March 19th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    :I understand the money point, but why are the Yankees being money conscious in this scenario? Where is the money that would be spent on CC going?”

    Not a question of a ceiling. It’s a question of cost efficiency.

    If the premise is just throw as many dollars at the available free agents, then I again, concede you might as well sign Crawford for WHATEVER it takes.

    I just think there is an argument to be made to spend efficiently, rather than just voluminously.

    “Crawford gives the Yankees 10+ HRs, GG defense, and 40 steals. Not sure any replacement would offer that, and thats worth 15 mil even if Gardner can give us 4, GG D, and 40 steals.”

    Well, at least we’re getting to the heart of it. To address this at the terms you set, of Gardner is playing relatively equal D, is relatively equal on the basepaths, is relatively equal in OBP, did I understand you correctly in arguing the a difference in 10 HRs (or less) is worth $15M?

    $1.5M a homerun?

  81. S.o.S. March 19th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    PatM,
    I went with Sienna as well. I thought it was a sure thing being that Purdues star was sidelined.
    Do you make these bets online? I might be interested in getting my inter-impulsiveness out of again. Im just thinking of the bright side. If i lose my house and cars. I could always kick it at my friend Pats pad in Newport. Not a bad consolation prize.

    We can always use the Igawa money to pay for Carl. Hell i lost count. Does he have yet another year after this? I dont know who’s given me the hardest time counting to 4 Pavano or Igawa?

  82. Jerkface March 19th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    10 HRs? If I’m paying him $15 mil a year, that is unacceptable.

    Thats the floor. Its likely he’d hit more, but I wouldn’t say he is a lock to hit 15+ or 20+ HRs. Its not his game.

    But you’re forgetting the 10 triples and 30 doubles he is hitting, as well as the 40+ times he turns a single into a double or a double into a triple or a triple into a HR…

  83. HolyYankee! March 19th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Any thoughts if the Yanks don’t go with either Hoffman or Thames. Do they take a chance with Golson? He could fill in as a pinch runner or someone else.
    Hoffman and Thames are not making a real competition.

    ====

    Lets see how will Hoffmann fare out during regular first and then Yanks can replace him with Golson or even Curtis.

  84. stuckey March 19th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    “10 HRs? If I’m paying him $15 mil a year, that is unacceptable.”

    Particularly, if I understand the argument correctly, what you’re actually paying for is 6 more HRs than Brett Gardner might hit.

  85. m March 19th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    Yes, please, to CC in the outfield.

    No, thank you, to CC if he opts out.

  86. Jerkface March 19th, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Well, at least we’re getting to the heart of it. To address this at the terms you set, of Gardner is playing relatively equal D, is relatively equal on the basepaths, is relatively equal in OBP, did I understand you correctly in arguing the a difference in 10 HRs (or less) is worth $15M?

    Crawford has had an increase in OBP each of the last 3 seasons. Crawford might end up with a .020+ difference in OBP, and a definite .050+ difference in slugging, and likely a .020+ difference in BA.

    Thats worth 15 mil. And Gardner MIGHT be as good on the basepaths but he hasn’t shown it yet. I definitely think he can be as good on D though.

  87. m March 19th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    But your LF might already be under contract for a few more years.

  88. Jerkface March 19th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    I think this is an argument that really should be revisited next offseason and not held at length in this one. Gardner just doesnt have enough major league time where I think you can argue for his production.

    I am trying to be pretty fair to Gardner because I like him, but I could easily say Gardner hasn’t shown squat, is going to be overmatched, and wont sniff higher than a .340 OBP in his career.

    In which case, yes, Crawford is miles better

  89. S.o.S. March 19th, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    If CC does not opt out it pretty much means that the Yankees added a nice extension to his contract negating the reason to opt out.

    =======

    Maybe 2 more scenarios that could keep him without opting out.
    he’s stunk up the joint in his final 2 years.
    He’s been injury riddled for the final 2 years of his contract.

  90. HolyYankee! March 19th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Crawford’s OBP is inconsistent.

  91. Pat M. March 19th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    S.o.S….I have a few Fianancial Brokers who handle my sporting event investments, so to speak…..

  92. Jerkface March 19th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    Inconsistent in that its increased every season in his career except 2008(when he was injured and only played 100 games)?

  93. S.o.S. March 19th, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Solution to avoiding a C.C. opt. out. Call Arte Moreno in U.S. of Califonia of Southern California in Anaheim in the vicinity of Los Angeles near Disneyland and get the scoup on how to promise something to a player so he can play for you without really sticking to it in the future. Hang up the phone and tell C.C. in Halo talk that we will promise to give him SOME dh time if he doesnt opt out. Problem solved.

  94. HolyYankee! March 19th, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Ah. He was hurt. I forgot about it.

  95. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 19th, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Maybe 2 more scenarios that could keep him without opting out.
    he’s stunk up the joint in his final 2 years.

    He’s been injury riddled for the final 2 years of his contract.

    ————————-

    I was trying to keep the discussion of CC’s contract somewhat optimistic!

  96. Jerkface March 19th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    Even in 2008, when his OBP was low, he actually increased his walk% by 1.

    His BB% went 5,6, to 7 the last 3 seasons. He is improving as he gets into his prime. Gotta get him.

  97. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 19th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    As Jerkface said there really is not much point in comparing Gardner to Crawford right now. I do not think it would surprise anyone on here if Gardner puts up a .320 OBP in a full season in the ML.

  98. stuckey March 19th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    “Suckey, what other options….Yanks operate on the premise of being a plus at as many positions as possible…”

    Fat M., and they’ve succeeded. Which puts them in the enviable position of having the luxury of being plus in LF defensively, and plus in the 9 hole offensively, both of which they can easily accomplish at a much more efficient cost.

    “Besides, it’s still about putting fannies in the seats…Crawford fills both bills…….”

    Are you suggesting Carl Crawford is going to improve Yankee paid attendence?

    Really?

    “I mean, I suppose there’s other options at 3rd / SS as well, but they really don’t have a problem paying 50 times over the going rate….”

    Which only further makes the need of being cost efficient in other areas all the more pressing.

    Let me try to be even CLEARER. If yours or ANYONE’s argument is the Yankees should freely spend on the best available option at every and any opportunity, I’m not going to attempt an opposition.

    I just don’t think that is the case, as the Yankees non-interest in Matt Holiday (to the surprise of so many around here) I believe demonstrates.

    I’m hearing the same arguments for Crawford I heard for months about Holiday.

    “Best team possible”, “LF is a weakness”, “circular line-up”, “firms up the position for years”, “hedges against aging elsewhere in the line-up”.

    Didn’t seem to register too greatly to the Yankees.

  99. Kevin March 19th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    Crawford’s D is better than Gardner’s and his arm is 10x better.

    Crawford is also a better base stealer and will be on base much more than Gardner. Crawford hit .305 last year.

    Want to know how many doubles Gardner hit last year? 6. Crawford hit 28. Crawford has also has 4 double-digit triple seasons in his career.

    Crawford hit 15 HRs last year. Playing 81 home games in YS will push that to over 20 (because his swing is perfect for YS like Damon’s was)

    The comparison is not valid. Gardner constantly gets overrated because of one hot streak in June last year. He is a 4th OFer/pinch hitter.

  100. m March 19th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    If Crawford had a power bat, he’d be looking at a very large payday. Very large.

  101. S.o.S. March 19th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    I am trying to be pretty fair to Gardner because I like him, but I could easily say Gardner hasn’t shown squat, is going to be overmatched, and wont sniff higher than a .340 OBP in his career.

    In which case, yes, Crawford is miles better

    ========

    I couldnt have said that any better.

    PatM,
    Got it. Plan b. Not to self. Go to Pechanga when i move back and bring my wallet with more than buffett money in it.

  102. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 19th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Rich, I can’t go searching all those articles, but all the media wrote that that was so. Also, if it wasn’t, Doc wouldn’t be in Philly right now; he’d be wearing Blue Jay blue waiting for his chance to be in pinstripes. It’s sufficient for me to state that playing with AJ was not a priority for Doc.

  103. HolyYankee! March 19th, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    I would be in shock if Gardner could not crack 370 OBP in a full season. He has strong track of OBP in the minor league. He had worked with Long but I still dont like the way he swings. Crawford is better no matter what.

  104. S.o.S. March 19th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    I was trying to keep the discussion of CC’s contract somewhat optimistic!

    =====

    My bad.

    signed,
    A guy named Nancy

  105. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 19th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    “The comparison is not valid. Gardner constantly gets overrated because of one hot streak in June last year. He is a 4th OFer/pinch hitter.”

    ——————————-

    Good thing we do not right off baseball players after a few hundred PA.

    Carl Crawford’s first 278 PA:

    .259/.290/.371, 9 SB, 11 2B, 6 3B, 2 HR

  106. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 19th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    *write* off

  107. Jerkface March 19th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    This is baseball-references totals for Gardner were he to play a full season:

    .270 .345 .379 .724

    9 doubles, 9 triples, 4 HRs

    For 400k I’d take that. But its not great. I hope Gardner can play a full season in 2010 and improve on those numbers.

  108. H-Town March 19th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Crawford is a multiple-time All-Star who is a 5 tool player (speed, arm, average, power, defense).

    He slides in perfectly at the top of the order for us, he’s 29 years old, a great clubhouse/community guy, and provides a skill-set for us that is tantalizing (power/speed/D).

    Look in our farm – we’re not close to developing a 5-tool all-star like Crawford is. He would be a very smart investment.. an all-round player.

  109. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 19th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Carl Crawford’s first full season in the bigs:

    .281/.309/.362

    18 2B, 9 3B, 5 HR, 55 SB.

  110. Nick in SF March 19th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    “No, thank you, to CC if he opts out.”

    m, would you mind providing your reasoning for this opinion?

  111. HolyYankee! March 19th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    9 doubles? That is totally unrealistic. 19-22 it should be.

  112. Giuseppe Franco March 19th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    I know SJ, Pat M., and I have been HUGE proponents of signing Carl Crawford for over a year.

    That’s the guy I want patrolling LF at the Stadium for a number of years.

  113. Lance March 19th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Gardner may lose his starting job to Randy Winn this year. He lost it to Melky Cabrera (who is now a 4th OF in Atlanta) last year.

    Stop the madness – Gardner stinks. Crawford is an All-Star player, Gardner can’t even hold down a starting job.

  114. MTU (aka GBURL) March 19th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    We better be careful here.

    Don’t want to mix up your CC’s. That’s dangerous buisness.

    Here is my solution.

    CC is Sabathia.

    cc is Crawford.

    I agree with the CC will opt out crowd.

    Not sure about cc. too many variables in play.

  115. HolyYankee! March 19th, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    Gardner lost the job because he broke thumb.

  116. Jerkface March 19th, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    9 doubles? That is totally unrealistic. 19-22 it should be.

    That is based on his rate of hitting doubles last season. He should probably hit more doubles before you go penciling him in for 20

  117. H-Town March 19th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Crawford was 5 years younger than Gardner when he debuted, FYI. Crawford was 21 in his first season in the big leagues.

  118. Kevin March 19th, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    Gardner broke his thumb in the 3rd week of April? Because that is when Melky took over full-time.

  119. Jerkface March 19th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Gardner lost the job because he broke thumb.

    Gardner lost the job because he hit for crap in April. He played sporadically in May,June, and July before he broke his thumb. Gardner played like 50% less CGs aafter April than Melky.

  120. m March 19th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Nick,

    I understand the whole deal about it.

    But we offered CC lots of money and years in what I feel is very good faith.

    So, for someone 3 years into a 7 year contract to opt out for more money is yuck to me.

    The NBA guys are a little different to me because it’s usually in their last year of a contract and it serves as a bridge to another, longer contract.

    I understand CC’s option is there for a reason, I just don’t like it.

    Now, if CC wanted to opt out and go elsewhere, I would personally thank CC for giving us 3 great years. You know, if I had the opportunity.

  121. Giuseppe Franco March 19th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Gardner didn’t break his thumb until after the All Star Break.

  122. MTU (aka GBURL) March 19th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Anyone watching “Highlander” tonite ?

    Forget Joba vs. Phil.

    We have Sergio vs. Chad.

    “There can only be one.”

  123. S.o.S. March 19th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    NSF,
    Did you watch the Washington game last night. Was really fun game to watch. Thought Marquette was a better team though. I do have Washington going to the sweet 16. Being that youv probably watched alot of their games this year. Do you think theyre going to be a tough out? How does Cal’s style compare to theirs? Good luck in todays game even though im rooting for Louis.

  124. Y 27 March 19th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Crawford or Cliff Lee?

    Because that is probably the decision we will be facing.

  125. stuckey March 19th, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Jerface,

    Let me try yet even another way.

    If it’s a choice between $15 on a potential frontline starter and Brett Gardner vs. Carl Crawford. I choose the latter.

    If getting Carl Crawford does not compromise spending on pitching, then I’m down.

  126. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 19th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    If Carl Crawford put up a .290 OBP in his first call-up for the Yankees he would have been benched just like Gardner. In his first full season his OBP was at .292 on July 1st. He would have been sent down to AAA with that on the Yankees. Crawford was fortunate the Rays sucked so they had patience with him to develop on the big league level.

    Lets give Gardner at least a full season in the big leagues before proclaiming him a 4th OF.

  127. m March 19th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    Cliff Lee. That way if CC opts out, we have ourselves an ace. :P

  128. stuckey March 19th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    “The comparison is not valid.”

    NO ONE is trying to.

    Why is that so hard to understand.

    I’m not even saying they are close.

    I’m simply saying neither is $600k and $15 million.

  129. stuckey March 19th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    Jerface, I meant to say I choose the former, but you probably guessed that…

  130. S.o.S. March 19th, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    MTU,
    Good C.C. take or is it c.c.?

    Whats this GBURL stuff? Im confused enough with C.C./c.c. and GGBG, now this? Im going to have to buy the Yankee book of abreviations if this keeps up.

  131. Jason March 19th, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    If Hughes and Joba step up as legitimate starters, we don’t need CC after he opts out.

    Give Ivan Nova or Zach McAllister his spot and save that money. Our rotation would be fine. If CC wants more money, wish him more luck getting it somewhere else.

  132. MTU (aka GBURL) March 19th, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    If Lee has another great season and the Yankees decide they want him (which is an open question)).

    He is likely to cost around 20Mill/yr IMO.

    That’s a lot of cabbage. :)

  133. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 19th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    Gardner may be older but both him and Crawford spent 4 seasons in the minors.

  134. Jerkface March 19th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    Yea I felt you on that, Stuckey.

    Our rotation next year is CC, AJ, Hughes, Joba, Aceves without any free agents. We’re probably going to get a free agent pitcher. We are going to have 40 mil coming off the payroll. I think that can = a frontline and a pitcher.

    I’m not a huge Cliff Lee fan, so I’d probably chose CC over him.

    Javy, Webb, and Lee are the only good pitchers in the FA market next offseason. If I can get Webb + CC or Javy + CC for less than Lee + CC I’d do it.

  135. Kevin March 19th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Fact: Gardner does not have Crawford’s arm
    Fact: Gardner does not have 20 HR potential like Crawford does.

    That’s what you are paying $15 mil for.

  136. m March 19th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Why do people constantly bring up Gardner’s age when comparing him to players who didn’t go to college? :?

  137. HolyYankee! March 19th, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    Gardner lost the job because he hit for crap in April. He played sporadically in May,June, and July before he broke his thumb. Gardner played like 50% less CGs aafter April than Melky.

    ==

    oh where is my brain? I still think it is silly to dismiss Gardner as a starter after slow April because he historically started off a season slow. Too bad, he was not a big name.

    We will see who will be Gardner in a full season. Frankly, I still think it is really stupid to think Winn will take duties from Gardner. Winn has no gas left in the tank defensively and offensively.

  138. Tank March 19th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    Gardner does not have anywhere near the marketability of a Carl Crawford either

  139. MTU (aka GBURL) March 19th, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    S.o.S-

    CC

    Yeah you need a dictionary for all the acronyms.

    I have to keep Erica amused.

    At any rate, GBU= Great Both Underbelly.

    It is a collection of posters who believe passionately that PH and JC must become starting pitchers at some point.

    That anything short of that is unacceptable.

    The how they get there is much less important than that they do.

    It is a lot like OPPC.

    I started the movement and so I am RL (Ring Leader).

    I wear the sentiment as a badge of honor and encourage other to join me in it.

    See. It all makes sense. Sort of. :)

  140. m March 19th, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    Yup, that snake tattoo just makes me want to buy something.

  141. Doreen - 2010 GTLU March 19th, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    The ONLY important acronym is GTLU. :lol:

    I think that planning so far in advance is a great time filler, but there are so many things contingent upon what happens during this season. It may turn out that the Yankees don’t need to spend money on Lee, so they have it for someone else; or they keep it. Or they may not need cc from Tampa. One never quite knows. Looking forward to some pleasant surprises this season.

  142. Giuseppe Franco March 19th, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    m March 19th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Why do people constantly bring up Gardner’s age when comparing him to players who didn’t go to college?

    ————

    Right on, sister.

    There are plenty of reasons to criticize Gardner’s game but the age comparisons are completely irrelevant.

    That age card was thrown quite a bit during the Melky vs. Gardner debates this time last season.

  143. S.o.S. March 19th, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    Once again Jerkface. I concur. Lee has had 2 years of pitching ACE like. Lets see what he does this year before opening up our purses and showing him the money. Id rather keep C.C.. If that fails, trade Bubba Gardner for Lincecum. With cash coming back to us as well.

  144. HolyYankee! March 19th, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    Out of curiosity, which site does have good information/talking about Yankees prospects for free?

    I really want to know what kind of plan Yankees have for MM (Mark Melancon)

  145. Alan March 19th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    Lost in the Carl Crawford discussions is the thanks the Yankees should give him for 2009.
    If he didn’t make that clutch catch in LF at last year’s All Star game, the Yankees might not have had home field advantage for the World Series.

  146. MTU (aka GBURL) March 19th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    S.o.S-

    Did you know that Lohud was an acronym too.

    Laughing
    Only
    Helps
    Upgrade
    Demeanor

    :)

  147. Adam March 19th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    I’d like to know how Granderson has looked against lefties this spring. Has he worked with Long on it?

  148. Dave March 19th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    A cheap alternative to Lee next year -

    Chein-Ming Wang.

    If he establishes himself in Washington, why not re-sign him to a cheap 1 yr deal to bridge the gap to Jason Hirsch?

  149. HolyYankee! March 19th, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    Cliff Lee? he will pitch mostly in spacious fields this year. He had good short season with Phillies but it is not enough to anaylize.

  150. Doreen - 2010 GTLU March 19th, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    Dave -

    For some reason, I don’t think CMW would necessarily want to return here. :(

  151. Jim March 19th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    If we don’t pony up for Crawford, then prepare to see an OF of

    Cameron-Crawford-Drew-Ellsbury

    Up in Beantown. That OF will give us nightmares. Elite defense, speed, peskiness. So if we don’t sign Crawford, don’t think we’ll be lucky enough that Boston will pass on him too. Theo recognizes prime talent and he will snatch up Crawford.

  152. Nick in SF March 19th, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    m, I don’t think it would necessarily be in bad faith (or a betrayal of the Yankees’ good faith) for someone to exercise a clause in his contract that would allow him to make more money and/or give him greater job security.

    The remaining four years on CC’s contract basically amount to the biggest player option in baseball history. If he were to decline that option, he would probably have a good financial reason.

    That said, there are too many unknowns between now and then to speculate too much about what might have led to CC opting out, but it wouldn’t be unreasonable to guess that an opt-out would follow a failure to come to extension terms.

    How many players have a) not exercised opt-out clauses and b) not exercised opt-out clauses when they had a reasonable expectation to get a better deal on the open market?

  153. Jerkface March 19th, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    If he establishes himself in Washington, why not re-sign him to a cheap 1 yr deal to bridge the gap to Jason Hirsch?

    Won’t be a free agent for 2 more years.

  154. MTU (aka GBURL) March 19th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    I’m exercising my opt out clause and moving over to the new thread.(and it didn’t cost anyone anything). :)

  155. Nick in SF March 19th, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    S.o.S.: yeah, I watched most of the UW-Marquette game, it was one of only 9 that I correctly picked yesterday. :mad:

    I didn’t actually see UW too many times over the year, but I agree they will be a tough out; going into the season, they were picked along with Cal as having the best chance to win the Pac-10; for a long stretch they were brutally bad on the road, so that killed their chance, but they came on strong at the end and then swept through the Pac-10 tourney.

    But I have the Lobos beating them tomorrow. We’ll see; Thomas and Pondexter are a tough duo.

  156. S.o.S. March 19th, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    Good stuff MTU!! I hope we can all live up to the LOHUD acronym.

  157. Nick in SF March 19th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    :arrow:

  158. stuckey March 19th, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    “Cliff Lee? he will pitch mostly in spacious fields this year. He had good short season with Phillies but it is not enough to anaylize.”

    Discounting his last 54 starts for Cleveland, are we?

  159. S.o.S. March 19th, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    NSF,
    1 and 9? Ouch, thats gotta hurt the pocket. Is that when considering points?
    I thought Texas would be the middle seed sleeper and make a long run(even though i dont have them past 32 on my bracket)in the tourny. Gotta say, they did one of the biggest choke jobs iv seen in years. Up by 8 with about a minute and a half to play, miss 2 free throws with 9 seconds to play and there went the season. I just dont understand how they were once the best team in the country and in a matter of months. They are one and out. Bad coaching? What under dog do you have surviving into next week?

    Havnt watched LOST in a month. Is it getting any better?

  160. stuckey March 19th, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    “Gardner does not have anywhere near the marketability of a Carl Crawford either”

    Tell me more. How much is Crawford’s extra marketabolity worth exactly and in what areas?

  161. Bo Knows March 19th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    I’d just like to throw in on Gardner. He was a walk on at some small college. Guys like Melky were pros at age 16. So Gardner is still catching up in skills. He has a very good eye at the plate and had a very reasonable rookie year. Last year the squawk was “He will never carry a 340 OBP” he did. Now it’s he’s dreck fourth OF. Maybe he will be but then why did four teams inquire about him? It’s simple – Let’s see what happens. The funny thing is all the stats geeks cite stats chapter and verse and then reverse themselves on Gardner. The guy must choke bunnies in his spare time. Personally I want him to increase his numbers by 20 points across the board, which is not beyond reason. Then I would be quietly chuckling all season.

    et’s see where he is at the end of this year.

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