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Four more sent down

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 22, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This afternoon, the Yankees reassigned Eduardo Nunez, Reegie Corona, Jorge Vazquez and Brandon Laird to minor league camp.

That left Ramiro Pena, Kevin Russo and Juan Miranda as the only non-starting infielders left in big league camp, and left Pena and Russo as the only utility options.

“Pena has the most experience there and we want to see Ruse more, he’s played extremely well,” Girardi said. “You get to a point when you’ve got young players like Nunez, you want them to play every day, and to get one at-bat per game is not fair to them. They need to go get ready for their season. That’s why we did it today.”

This afternoon the Yankees also returned Rule 5 pick Jamie Hoffmann.

“It’s a kid that we believe has tools,” Girardi said. “He went about his business the right way. His effort was tremendous. The numbers didn’t translate. Will he be a good player? I believe he can be, but right now we had to make a tough decision and the Dodgers wanted him back.”

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88 Responses to “Four more sent down”

  1. baseballfab March 22nd, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    M. Rivera has hamstring injury??

  2. Gary March 22nd, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    I’m rootin for Russo.

  3. Paco Dooley March 22nd, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Hoffman didn’t pan out – there’s a surprise.

  4. Patrick March 22nd, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    “Patrick

    I think his Cutter is ahead of his change.”

    Not any more it’s not. Change is becoming a legit plus pitch. Cutter has always been mediocre, but useable.

  5. Phil the Thrill March 22nd, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    I think that’s Mike Rivera the catcher.

  6. Jay March 22nd, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    “Pena has the most experience there and we want to see Ruse more, he’s played extremely well,” Girardi said.

    —————————-

    Great, not even on the roster yet and he already got a Girardi nickname :?

  7. Andrew March 22nd, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Feinsand’s tweet makes it seem like Javier Vazquez just got sent to the minors

    BloggingBombers: Yankees postgame notes: M. Rivera has hamstring injury; J. Vazquez among latest round of roster cuts. 5 minutes ago via web

  8. Jeff NJ March 22nd, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Hoffman gone? Does that mean Thames makes the team or someone else?

  9. Farmer March 22nd, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Cutter was just a pitch Hughes used as a liaison to developing his change… it was a mediocre pitch just to change the pace of the AB and get hitters off his FB.

    But now that has change has come along, the cutter will probably be used sparingly.

  10. Andrew March 22nd, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Waiting the predictable “Don’t worry Yankees fans, that’s Mike Rivera and Jorge Vazquez” tweet from Feinsand…

  11. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Andrew March 22nd, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Feinsand’s tweet makes it seem like Javier Vazquez just got sent to the minors

    BloggingBombers: Yankees postgame notes: M. Rivera has hamstring injury; J. Vazquez among latest round of roster cuts. 5 minutes ago via web

    Jorge Vaqzquez

  12. Erin March 22nd, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    baseballfab
    March 22nd, 2010 at 4:41 pm
    M. Rivera has hamstring injury??

    **************************
    I started freaking out when I saw that, but I think it’s Mike Rivera.

  13. Patrick March 22nd, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Patrick,

    A #1 starter for who??? The Nats or Pirates…maybe

    Jose,

    You are an idiot.

  14. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    SJ, you’re right about the Yanks having the patience for only 1 young/developing kid in the rotation at a time – and I understand that. My comment that I think you were responding to was about the kind of game Phil had today, where he did some great things and also made mistakes. Maybe I should have said the fans should have patience; I think the Yankees would. Also, Phil and Joba could be fantastic #5 starters because they have the chance to be great any time out. Sure, they might be bad, but they’re kids. Most #5 starters are what they are – mediocrities who won’t be getting any better.

  15. Erin March 22nd, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Fact: @BloggingBombers just took the league lead in hearts stopped. Hilarious. 41 seconds ago

    **************************
    I know mine did. ;)

  16. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    I like Phil’s cutter -I think it would behoove him to use it more than sparingly as it would give him another pitch. He’s got the Master to learn from….

  17. G. Love March 22nd, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Anyone else get the feeling that Marcus Thames is now starring in the role of Morgan Ensberg, Richie Sexson and Josh Phelps?

  18. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Betsy,

    Yankee fans over 25 have patience. The children do not.

    They panic over every ST pitch, AB, and result.

    They don’t know or understand pitching, aren’t eager to learn, and are happy being panicked and miserable.

    Hughes threw the ball very well today. Girardi is correct. It’s the best he threw this Spring.

    He made some location mistakes but, that’s to be expected on March 22.

    The stuff quality was terrific. Command just needs to be sharper.

    He did nothing to hurt his chances today.

  19. S.o.S. March 22nd, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Will he be a good player? I believe he can be, but right now we had to make a tough decision and the Dodgers wanted him back.”

    ========

    Girardi- Yeah Hoff. Eahh ummm. Look your a good guy and all and dont take this the wrong way. But we think its in your best interest to fly back to L.A. and play with the Dodgers.

    Hoffman- How come?

    Girardi- 2 reason. 1 we are down sizing and unfortunatly we can retain your services and 2 the Dodgers really really want you back.

    Hoffman- Can i comeback when you expand?

    Girardi- Dont call us. We’ll call you.

  20. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Phils Cutter is actually really good. he got 11% swings and misses on it.

  21. Phil the Thrill March 22nd, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Why does it seem like all of the grossly obese bloggers are passive aggressive?

  22. m March 22nd, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Glad they sent back Hoffman sooner than later.

  23. SteveB March 22nd, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Hey Chad—

    “…I believe he can be, but right now we had to make a tough decision and the Dodgers wanted him back.”

    The Dodgers wanted him back– what does that mean in everyday language??

  24. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Infact, in 2009 he threw his cutter for a strike 73% of the time and got by far the most swings.

  25. SteveB March 22nd, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    What I mean is, if the Dodgers wanted him back, how & why does that effect the Yankees decision?

  26. Phil the Thrill March 22nd, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Hoffman going back opens up a spot on the 40 man roster. That’s the big thing we got out of the Bruney for air trade.

  27. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    GLove,

    too early to say.

    I will say though that by Mid-May, he doesn’t show signs, he moves into that territory.

    I’d give him the roster spot based on his history against lefties. Six weeks into the season, we will know more.

  28. Andrew March 22nd, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Ensberg and Phelps actually had big roles as potential starters on the Yankees teams they were on, until they played their way to the bench and off the roster. Thames is only a bench guy who will get chances against lefties, but is not going to platoon or start. The comparison makes more sense for Randy Winn than it does for Thames.

  29. Chad Jennings March 22nd, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    I think it was Gary who asked about this in the previous post…

    As I’ve explained before, the Yankees clubhouse opens in the middle of the game, so I usually spend the last three or four innings away from my computer in the clubhouse. That’s why there aren’t many updates in the later innings of a game post. There are times I’m able to get some thing posted from my phone, but that’s not always the case. Sorry Gary.

  30. CB March 22nd, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    “Phils Cutter is actually really good. he got 11% swings and misses on it.”

    It’s a good pitch.

    At the same time – he’s thrown change ups this spring that were great pitches.

    I think his change right now has more promise than his cutter.

    If he’s able to dial down that change and throw it consistently it could be a true plus pitch.

    His cutter while a good pitch doesn’t have the kind of sharp movement that you’d want to see out of a true plus cutter.

    At the same time, he’s 23 so there’s plenty of time.

    The big thing on Hughes this spring is that he’s shown the concrete foundation to be a 4 pitch guy.

    Until this spring even getting to the point of a 4 pitch foundation was an open question with him.

    It’s very good stuff.

  31. Chad Jennings March 22nd, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    The Dodgers wanted him back just means Hoffmann cleared waivers and the Dodgers elected to take him back into the farm system — and pay the Yankees $25,000 — rather than let the Yankees keep him.

  32. S.o.S. March 22nd, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    The Dodgers wanted him back– what does that mean in everyday language??

    =========

    What that means in Yankee language is he stunk up the joint and we are returning him for a refund.

    (as seen in 4:52 Girardi and Hoffman discussion)

  33. m March 22nd, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    omg, Chad. Are you seriously apologizing to that guy? I hope that’s some mid-western sarcasm there.

  34. MTU(aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    “I want them to make it difficult for me”.

    Looks like you’re gonna get your wish Joe.

    That is, if you haven’t already made up your mind. ;)

  35. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    SJ, with Phil I admit I’m guilty of that myself – witness my posts from earlier today. Otherwise, these guys are human beings – they are not going to be perfect. Doc Halladay isn’t perfect and he’s as close to perfection as a pitcher can get. Phil is just a kid, so is Joba; they will make more mistakes than veterans will. As I said, if I’m a Yankee fan, I would rather see Phil give up those runs and show wicked secondary stuff than have him give up a few less hard hit balls and show “eh” secondary stuff. All Phil needs is to just be able to pitch – that’s all. He’ll have plenty of bad days and some mediocre ones, but also some “wow” games. The same goes for Joba, especially since it now appears he’s making solid strides.

  36. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Oh man, is someone complaining about Chad again? Chad, ignore these clowns. We love the job you do – you just keep doing what you’re doing. Ugh – I hope Chad is not feeling badly because of some dumb criticism.

  37. MTU(aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Betsy-

    I am going to try to leave all the worrying to you.

    You’re good at it.

    And as GB pointed out you’re a clutch worrier.:)

  38. SteveB March 22nd, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Thank you Chad.

    I thought there was something more going on behind the scenes by your comment.

    Regards…

  39. Frank G March 22nd, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    Hoffman was a bust, good scouting! He only cost us Brian Bruney, and Edwar Ramerez, who we shouldn’t have released with Park was acquired. Hoffman should have been DFA’d instead.

  40. Patrick March 22nd, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    Ouch, my last comment is awaiting moderation. It’s a bit vulgar so I’m assuming it will get thrown out. The gist is..

    Jerkface,

    Take your numbers and shove them. I saw Phil sail a lot of cutters last year, he doesn’t have great control of the pitch and there isn’t a lot of tight movement on it. I think he got lucky with the cutter last year and if he continues to throw it a lot, hitters will make him pay.

    SJ44,

    I’m 24 and I’m not impatient. I think the people that panic are more likely just morons. Has nothing to do with age

  41. S.o.S. March 22nd, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    MTU,
    Has anyone thought about maybe looking at what Girardi’s son jersey he’s sportin? That could be the key to unlocking the secrets to who the #5 starter will be. Think people!! It was under our noses all this time.

  42. Phil the Thrill March 22nd, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Patrick,

    take Jerface’s numbers and learn them. You’ll sound less like an absolute moron going forward.

  43. Chad Jennings March 22nd, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    m,

    I just want everyone to understand what’s going on, that’s all. I don’t mind at all when people disagree with me or point out that I’ve put two shortstops in the lineup — not that I would ever so something like that! — but the implication that I’m being lazy on a post tends to bother me, especially when that implication comes from a misunderstanding of the situation. This just happened to be a time I felt like addressing it.

  44. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    Jerkface,

    Take your numbers and shove them. I saw Phil sail a lot of cutters last year, he doesn’t have great control of the pitch and there isn’t a lot of tight movement on it. I think he got lucky with the cutter last year and if he continues to throw it a lot, hitters will make him pay.

    Sorry I didn’t see a sail% on my spreadsheet. Why dont you quantify that yapping before I collate your mouth with my fist!

  45. S.o.S. March 22nd, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    I’m 24 and I’m not impatient.

    =========

    Patrick,
    For being as young as you are. You sure bring a lot of knowlege to the table. Impressed. Wish i had half as much at this YOUNG age of 35.

  46. Patrick March 22nd, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    “take Jerface’s numbers and learn them. You’ll sound less like an absolute moron going forward.”

    I’m joking…. Jerkface knows I am, maybe you should get a clue before ripping someone.

    I don’t have the time or effort to look up numbers for this but I have a suspicion that Phil got a lot of lucky swings on his cutters last year.

  47. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    I saw a lot of hitters fooled by the cutter. But its more like a tiny slider than a true cut fastball.

  48. MTU(aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    S.o.S-

    “Has anyone thought about maybe looking at what Girardi’s son jersey he’s sportin? That could be the key to unlocking the secrets to who the #5 starter will be. Think people!! It was under our noses all this time.”

    Yeah. But his name is Dante and that scares me a little. :)

  49. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    Young bloggers dont joke around with blunderbusses, we play a little rougher. Nature of the game.

    Hughes cutter doesnt have much horizontal movement, its all vertical. If he continues to get a 10% whiff rate, and a 25% foul rate, I think he’ll be fine.

    I wish Texas Minor Leagues had a split stats on putting the ball in play. They just show total amount of pitches put in play.

  50. dan 771 March 22nd, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    “Sorry I didn’t see a sail% on my spreadsheet. Why dont you quantify that yapping before I collate your mouth with my fist!”

    lmao

  51. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    If you faced Mariano Rivera in 2009 there was a 50% chance you’d strike out or ground out.

  52. Keep it March 22nd, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    AJAX HIT A RBI TRIPLE TODAY WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE TRADED HIM PLEASE FIRE EVERYONE KTHXBYE.

  53. Phil the Thrill March 22nd, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Patrick,

    sorry if your “shove them” was said in jest. Read more like a little crankypants with a stats aversion. So sorry if you were indeed joking.

  54. m March 22nd, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    Chad,

    Even even you had to explain yourself for the 100th time like you did, you didn’t need to say “Sorry”. I think you should strike that from the record. :P

  55. Patrick March 22nd, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    Jerkface, I’m sick of your numbers. I need more grits and guts and less vorps and warps

  56. Patrick March 22nd, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    “sorry if your “shove them” was said in jest. Read more like a little crankypants with a stats aversion. So sorry if you were indeed joking.”

    No worries, sarcasm doesn’t really translate over the internet

  57. m March 22nd, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Wait, telling someone to shove something where the sun don’t shine isn’t saying it in jest. :?

  58. Plutonium March 22nd, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Will there be a rainout tomorrow?

  59. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    Plutonium March 22nd, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Will there be a rainout tomorrow?

    Yanks have the day off

  60. S.o.S. March 22nd, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    Yeah. But his name is Dante and that scares me a little.

    ========

    MTU,
    Dont let that detour you. If he’s wearing a Hughes or Chamberlain jersey than we got our answer. If not, then someon has to take it for the team and ask him who he likes between the two? If you dont like his answer, might have to revert to bribing the boy. Do we have a volunteer?

  61. MTU(aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Phil-

    Patrick thinks all my acronyms are gibberish.

    He told me so.

    I had to explain to him that Erica thrives on acronyms.

    And that I suffer from
    frequent bouts of acronymity.

    I probably should have just told him to take a long walk off a short pier though.

  62. Phil the Thrill March 22nd, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Erica is an acronym.

  63. Chad Jennings March 22nd, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    Sorry m!

    (you see what I did there?)

  64. MTU(aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    S.o.S.-

    “If he’s wearing a Hughes or Chamberlain jersey than we got our answer”

    What if he wears #2 and it says “I want both”.

    What do we do then ?

    Bribe ain’t gonna fix that. ;)

  65. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    Another of those “take-it-for-what-it’s-worth” press remarks from MLB-Rumors-R-Us:

    “•The Yankees have no interest in the recently released Elijah Dukes, tweets Jack Curry of the YES Network. They acknowledge that he’s better than Marcus Thames, but it’s the off-the-field issues that worry them.”

    And another “nothing gets by these guys” remarks:

    “•The Yankees “absolutely love” Crawford according to a rival executive, and they also like Jayson Werth, who is set to become a free agent after the season. Heyman mentions that they didn’t want to re-sign Johnny Damon to a two-year deal this past offseason to potentially keep a spot open for Crawford.”

    And for those that miss Angel Berroa? He’s free to sign on for another Yankee hitch. He was released by the Dodgers. Personally, I’d like to see him end up in Boston. He can share an apartment with “The Bearded Blunder”.

  66. MTU(aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    GB-

    Knock Knock.

    Who’s there ?

    Angel.

    Angel who ?

    That’s what I thought.

    Nevermind. :)

  67. BBFan March 22nd, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    I would not be surprised, if Russo makes the team.
    He could instead of Pena.
    Or, he will make it along with Pena and Yanks want Thames to get his swing back with a few days in AAA.

  68. becca March 22nd, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    According to Fangraphs (ooh scary numbers!!), Hughes threw his cutter 16.4% of the time. It was 1.98 runs above an average cutter per 100 pitches.

  69. becca March 22nd, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Those stats are from 2009, obviously, and they mean his cutter was his best pitch last year.

  70. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Joba threw 100 mph in the bullpen because he had a pitch count and wasn’t allowed to pitch back to back days. Why can’t Michael Kay understand that?

  71. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    If Russo starts getting a lot of outfield play, then, NYYs would be thinking seriously about keeping him around after the next round of cuts. That’s one way to make him more valuable. Until that happens, he’s going to Scranton. He’s a weak defensive shortstop and not that great at 3rd base.

  72. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Carl, what is Kay rambling about now (and I generally like him)?

  73. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Betsy -Romine wasn’t built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Carl, what is Kay rambling about now (and I generally like him)?

    Joba doesn’t throw 100 anymore!

  74. Patrick March 22nd, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    I probably should have just told him to take a long walk off a short pier though.

    —–

    Yeah you should have, that would have been pretty funny. Just so you know, I read GBURL as GERBIL

  75. m March 22nd, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    lol, Chad.

    Upon further review, you did call him “Sorry Gary”.

  76. Patrick March 22nd, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    “Those stats are from 2009, obviously, and they mean his cutter was his best pitch last year.”

    Sample size…

    The cutter was obviously not his best pitch last year or he’d throw it more than 16% of the time.

  77. Chad Jennings March 22nd, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    I actually think Russo’s better at third than at second, but he can handle both positions just fine. Anyway, there’s a new post with audio from Hughes.

  78. MTU(aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    GB-

    Russo’s got the bat.

    All for the OF reps.

    And if he doesn’t do a constant series of face plants for keeping him.

    Not sure he’ll stick this time around though.

  79. Chip March 22nd, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    I thought there was no way the Yanks were going to give up on Hoffmann. I thought he would actually push Gardner off the major league roster.

    Unlike some I will admit to being wrong.

  80. Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    I’d go with four OF and let Russo and Pena make the team.

  81. Alan March 22nd, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    If the Yankees have to depend on some late game long ball heroics from Marcus Thames to tie or win a game, it means they played a lousy game up to that point.
    I’d find more trust with Russo, Golson or a LH hitting Curtis with a bat in their hands plus any of them can play the outfield better even with Russo’s limited experience in the OF.

  82. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    I’d like Golston to put up good offensive numbers in AAA before giving him a major league roster spot.

  83. austinmac March 22nd, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Russo certainly brings more offense to the table than Pena. Pena brings more at SS. I’m not too sure there is much difference defensively at 2B and 3B. I would vote for Russo’s offense over the very occasional time Jeter will not be at short. Should Jeter need to be out for any extended period they could flip flop them then.

  84. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    Russo needs the consistant at bats, though, and he won’t get them backing up the Yankee infield.

    I haven’t seen a lot of Russo since he left the FSL, but, unless Russo has improved greatly at 3rd and fallen off greatly at 2nd, his numbers don’t support the theory. No matter how faulty FPG is, a .921 at third is brutal and a .978 at 2nd is not bad at all. His range isn’t great there, but, he’s sure handed enough.

  85. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter March 22nd, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    Phil the Thrill
    March 22nd, 2010 at 5:24 pm
    Erica is an acronym.

    ****************

    OOH!!!!!

    For what????????

  86. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter March 22nd, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    new thread :arrow:

  87. baseball jesus March 22nd, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    There is no way Girardi doesn’t bring Pena up to the big club with him. Pena is a Girardi guy like Gardner and Cisco

  88. Jones March 26th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Eh I like the chances with Pena more so than with Russo. Make no mistake, Russo has the bat, but his D doesn’t compare to Pena’s. And while Pena isn’t a top tier power hitter he has shown hits at the plate. Like Cisco I also like the energy he brings to this team.

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