Hughes: “I’ve done all I can do”
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Podcast on Mar 22, 2010 
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With the wind blowing out in Clearwater, Phil Hughes allowed three home runs this afternoon. The last one was a two-run walk-off by Wilson Valdez, a guy with one major league home run in his career.
The home runs told the story of the game, a 9-7 Phillies won, but they didn’t tell the story of Hughes. The first home run was legitimate — in fact, it was crushed — but the others carried over the wall, and Hughes otherwise allowed just two hits and no walks while striking out six through 4.1 innings.
“I felt really good with all my pitches,” he said. “It just seemed like every fly ball that was hit out there was either going to hit off the wall or leave the yard. I threw probably the best changeups I’ve ever thrown. Probably the first strikeout I’ve ever gotten with a changeup. It’s hard to swallow the three home runs and say I was happy with the way I threw, but I really was.”
Joe Girardi called this the best Hughes has thrown all spring, and Hughes said he’s simply going to wait for the Yankees to make their decision about a fifth starter. Girardi said that decision could come as early as Thursday morning.
“I’ve done all I can do,” Hughes said. “We’ll just have to see where they want to go from here… I feel like I’ve worked hard to get myself to this point where I can be a successful starter.”
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It wasn’t totally “Master-Phil”, but I’m liking Hughes as the # 5 Starter more and more.
Do not worry Young Master Hughes, as you’ll never pass this way again…..You’ll are and forever will be a MLB starter who will now begin his quest to an All-Star career…..13-7 is my guest for 2010
“Girardi said that decision could come as early as Thursday morning.”
Seen enough Joe ?
Clear cut, Huh ?
Good stuff, Chad -thanks!
I think Phil forgot K’ing Tex in Texas in 2007, but that’s ok. His change is coming along very nicely. I’m glad he’s not down because he gave up the HRs because the positives outweighed the negatives. He wants to be a starter very badly – just read between the lines in all his interviews.
Carl (re: Kay) – thanks! Kay also said that he didn’t see what was so special about Phil when he returned in August of 2007; he’s not that clued in, lol.
Betsy: Its a different change up, so he probably doesn’t count his old one
Yes MTU he’s seen enough from both guys to make a decision.
Girardi has said all along a decision would be forthcoming by the end of this week.
They have had a plan since the winter for this and nothing that has happened this spring has gotten in the way of their plans.
Good thing AJ & Cole weren’t pitching for a rotation spot today ……
I have to go back and watch, but from what I gathered Phil didn’t have much of a fastball today? Otherwise looked good?
I think the odds are good that Hughes is the fifth starter for this club – which means Joba has likely started his last game. They aren’t going to put Chamberlain in the pen this season and then go through the entire process of stretching him out again a year from now.
My one concern is that I don’t want to see the same nonsense going on with Hughes this year that we saw the Yankees do with Joba last year – starts that were slated to only go three innings, games where he was only allowed to throw 50 pitches…in other words, no Hughes’ Rules.
In case you missed it from the last thread – I never thought that the Yankees would give up on Hoffmann. I figured that given the fact that he’s younger, and a more complete player than Gardner that he would possibly push Brett off the 25 man roster. Made a bet with SJ44 to that effect.
Unlike some, I have no problem admitting I was wrong and in this case I was.
I still believe there’s a chance that Aceves doesn’t start the season in the majors for the Yankees or gets traded.
Girardi really likes Mitre so I can’t see him going anywhere – and even if they move Gaudin they are still going to need to clear one more pitcher.
Right now my pitching staff would be:
Starters: CC, AJ, Andy, Javy, Hughes
RHP: Mitre, Robertson, Mo, Joba, Park
LHP: Marte, Logan
I give Logan the edge over Aceves because Marte hasn’t pitched all that well (or much) this spring and Logan has been very effective vs. LH bats.
I thought it was a good use of the word ‘ass’.
Hughes should start, but they shouldn’t waste Joba in the 8th inning role.
Russo needs the consistant at bats, though, and he won’t get them backing up the Yankee infield.
I haven’t seen a lot of Russo since he left the FSL, but, unless Russo has improved greatly at 3rd and fallen off greatly at 2nd, his numbers don’t support the theory. No matter how faulty FPG is, a .921 at third is brutal and a .978 at 2nd is not bad at all. His range isn’t great there, but, he’s sure handed enough.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm
Changing the subject for a minute. I was looking at the top 100 grossed movies to see how much of a movie addict i am. I have watched all but 7 movies of a top 100 grossed. How do you stack up?
Phil the Thrill
March 22nd, 2010 at 5:24 pm
Erica is an acronym.
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OOH!!!!!
For what????????
SJ-
“They have had a plan since the winter for this and nothing that has happened this spring has gotten in the way of their plans.”
What was that Plan ?
You know that when somebody says that they “have no problem admitting when they are wrong” without saying it, they have problems “admitting they were wrong”. Tap dancing around it is not admitting it.
Chip,
Aceves is on the team. He’s not going anywhere.
You don’t have to stop posting for the first week. It’s all good.
It was a bet you couldn’t win because there was no way Gardner wasn’t making the team.
Re: Joba, if he is in the pen and throws at least 100 innings, they wouldn’t have to stretch him out to start next years.
As with Hughes this year, he’s fully stretched out.
He would have no problem throwing 150-170 innings next year if they want to put him in the rotation in 2011.
“Hughes should start, but they shouldn’t waste Joba in the 8th inning role.”
It’s more of a waste to stash him in AAA. I’d rather he face big league hitters while helping the team. He can start next year.
Even though the competition could not be avoided. You gotta believe these guys are fried from this. I give them all credit. It is bad enough to be under the microscope of the fan/ media. Let’s all remember this is a great problem to have. Plus injuries occur and the opportunity for the other(s) will be there.
It is a better situation than a few years ago when we were going with these guys completely raw.
MTU,
Oh, so now you want to talk about the 5th starter? Different tune that the one you were singing earlier.
I wonder if it’s possible that Girardi throws us all a curve.
Joba in the rotation, Hughes in AAA to open the season much like the Rays started David Price in AAA to open last year.
S.o.S.
March 22nd, 2010 at 5:59 pm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm
Changing the subject for a minute. I was looking at the top 100 grossed movies to see how much of a movie addict i am. I have watched all but 7 movies of a top 100 grossed. How do you stack up?
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Fun!! Hang on-it’ll take me a minute to figure this out. lol
S.o.S.
March 22nd, 2010 at 5:59 pm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm
Changing the subject for a minute. I was looking at the top 100 grossed movies to see how much of a movie addict i am. I have watched all but 7 movies of a top 100 grossed. How do you stack up?
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9 and none in the last 6 years.
I’ve seen all but 8, but honestly I’m proud that I have never seen alvin and the chipmunks.
Re: innings limits….
Once a pitcher is what they call “fully developed”, when Joba and Phil are now, they good to go.
Only way things change is if an injury costs them a big chunk of the season.
Hughes could throw 150-175 innings this year as a starter. More than enough for a #5 starter.
Joba would be in the same boat next year if he spent the year in the pen and they decide to start him next year.
If the Yanks opt to carry a 2nd lefty, that means no mop up man (Gaudin/Mitre).
Chip, You should quit while you’re ahead..I mean the pass SJ gave you….Learn from that
“It’s more of a waste to stash him in AAA. I’d rather he face big league hitters while helping the team. He can start next year.”
I want him to pitch multiple innings in relief in order to remain stretched out.
Price started in AAA to keep the clock on his arbitration and Free Agency years from ticking.
I agree that if Phil is the #5, he can’t be put through what Joba went through. Either start him later in the season or do what the Tigers did with Porcello….
Jerkface, lol – or else he doesn’t want to remember that night (not that I blame him)
The Yankees don’t consider the 8th inning a waste.
It would be more of a waste to keep one of them in AAA since they are 2 of the best 8 pitchers on the team.
Yankees only need a three times in first month. Is it possible that both Hughes and Chamberlain start in AAA and either one or both joins the rotation in May. You could go with Mitre for a couple of starts in April and keep both Hughes and Chamberlain gaining starting experience. You could also carry a 2nd left and Gaudin/Aceves as long relievers. Obviously, both Hughes and Chamberlain need to be on the roster full-time after May. Just a thought.
SOS-you have me beat-I’ve seen all but 10. And in my defense, most of the ones I’ve missed are kid movies.
Whomever is in the pen, I agree that it is vital to keep them stretched out. If Joba/Phil pitches a few innings at a time and can’t go for a few days, that should be no problem with our pen (and our rotation).
“The Yankees don’t consider the 8th inning a waste.”
Again, it’s not about AAA. It’s about using him for multiple innings in relief with the ML team. Robertson can handle the 8th (along with Marte, if he’s healthy).
In that way if/when a starter goes down, Joba can step right in instead of a lesser pitcher.
I haven’t seen 17 of those top 100 movies. Wow..
Hughes could throw 150-175 innings this year as a starter. More than enough for a #5 starter.
Hughes has never thrown more than 86 innings – I don’t see the Yankees letting him double that. Joba threw 100 innings in 2008 and the Yankees wanted to keep him under 170 in 2009.
Price started in AAA to keep the clock on his arbitration and Free Agency years from ticking.
Price’s arbitration clock started when he was called up in 2008. Starting him in Durham in 2009 had nothing to do with that.
I think whomever pitches the 8th inning is going to get more work than last year because I believe they are going to handle Mo very carefully this year.
That’s one of the good things about McAllister and the other starters ay AAA. They have thing innings built up by this year that next year there will be few if any innings restrictions on them.
9 and none in the last 6 years.
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GB7,
Wow!! Let me guess. Its one of three scenarios. You live so deep in the boonies that you cant get cable or rent movies? Nurse (im dating Randy)is holding you captive for those 6 years. Or im so entertaining to read in here that you find no time to watch any. Some of these movies are worth stepping away from the computer for a few hours, relaxing and having some fun with it. Dont forget that its an excuse to eat the raisen nets, m & m’s, symphony(red)and cant forget the soda pop.
Rich,
The Yankees have such a good rotation, how many times do you really think Joba will be needed for 3-4 inning spurts? Once a week, if that?
I could see him being used for the 7th and 8th multiple times a week. Or the 8th and 9th when Mo needs a day off.
He’ll get plenty of work and be ready to step into the rotation next year when Pettitte and Vazquez are gone.
SJ, I’d have to agree with the “careful on Mo” statement. I don’t think you’ss see a lot of multiple inning or 3 run saves from him this year.
Chip,
Hughes’ career high in innings is 146. Minor league innings count. That’s the number you work off, not his major league innings.
If it wasn’t, they wouldn’t have even had him compete for the job because he would have only been able to throw 120 innings this year.
I hope not, but Joe said he was not going to let Mo pitch 2 innings last year and then he ended up doing that quite a bit.
I think Joe will be careful with Rivera in the regular season but give him a longer leash in the playoffs.
September callups don’t count against service time.
Price was sent to Durham to preserve an arbitration year.
7 movies i havnt seen.
-Indiana Jones and Crystall Skull
-Twighlight New Moon-first one sucked rather put hot sauce in my eyes than watch another one.
-Jaws-shark looked to fake to watch after going to universal studios.
-The Blind side
-Alvin and the Chipmunks the squekqual-chalk board scratching.
-Alvin and the chipmunks-see above
-Sherlock Holmes
I know one of joba or hughes could still prove to be a quality pitcher in the future but i would have given toronto whatever they wanted for halliday either phil or joba and prospects. thats why prospects are just that “prospects” and the more i watch halliday, the more i say the yankees would have been much better off with him in the rotation. to me he is 1 of the top 3 pitchers in baseball and joba and hughes look like neither want the 5th spot in the rotation. when u have the chance to aquire a top flight pitcher you get him no matter what the cost in “prospects”
S.o.S.
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:17 pm
9 and none in the last 6 years.
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GB7,
Wow!! Let me guess. Its one of three scenarios. You live so deep in the boonies that you cant get cable or rent movies? Nurse (im dating Randy)is holding you captive for those 6 years. Or im so entertaining to read in here that you find no time to watch any. Some of these movies are worth stepping away from the computer for a few hours, relaxing and having some fun with it. Dont forget that its an excuse to eat the raisen nets, m & m’s, symphony(red)and cant forget the soda pop.
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Just not much into the type of movies that they punch out today. Special effects have no affect on me. That just doesn’t thrill me much. I’d rather watch the old black and white classics…Gene Aurty/John Wayne oaters….classic comedies than most of what I consider garbage of today. Once in a while there’s one that comes along that I watch because of the subject line or main actor. Those are getting far and few between for me, though.
“OOH!!!!!
For what????????”
E uphoric
R ambunctious
I ntelligent
C ontagious
A ccountant
Contagious in a good way.
GB, I think the club was issued a real wake-up call last October, and Joe Giradi will not be speed dialing his number in 2010 as he did in 09…..That’s the reason for the desire for great depth in the 8th 9th inning type guys…..Joba, Robertson, Chan Ho…Marte still is a concern for me….
I think whomever pitches the 8th inning is going to get more work than last year because I believe they are going to handle Mo very carefully this year.
What logic is there behind that statement? If anything they will have more freedom with Mo than they did last year. Mo was coming off surgery in 2009, Girardi used him very well (66 IP in 66 games) – can’t see him having less work than that.
I’m not saying that the 8th inning is a waste of a pitcher; I think it’s a waste of Joba. With Park and Robertson they have a proven guy who has done it and a young kid who could do it.
After three years of babying Joba he’s finally at a point where they can take the pampers off of him and now he’s going to – at most – throw between 80 – 90 innings.
If you’re going to turn this guy into a middle reliever, which is what he’s going to be since he’s not going to close as long as Mo’s here and Mo’s going to be here as long as he wants to be here – then the Yankees should trade him while he still has some value.
“Price was sent to Durham to preserve an arbitration year.”
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And they caught a ton of crap from fans and media who said they were hurting a world series contending team just to save money.
It was the smart move for Tampa to make but not for a team like the Yankees. Get a grip guys, Hughes and Chamberlain will be on this team come opening day.
GreenBeret7
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:08 pm
9 and none in the last 6 years.
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GB, you need to treat yourself to a movie!
MO made 66 appearances in the regular season, 9 were more than 1 inning. 8 of them were 1.1 innings.
Neither Joba or Hughes look like they want the #5 spot? On the contrary, they both look like they want it very much. Joe, you would have loved the old George Steinbrenner. Trading any amount of prospects for Doc would have been beyond foolish.
Chip I half agree that it might be a good idea to explore trade opportunities for Joba.
The part I disagree with, if Joba pitches in the pen this year he can still start next year. I don’t see why that isn’t still an option.
S.o.S…You never saw Spielberg’s classic, Jaws ???…Do your self a favor and see it…..You’ve hanging out in The Inland Empire too long …..
Also your arbitration clock is not continuous. It is 6 years of service time. Not 6 years from the day you were called up.
For example both Joba and Hughes could actually have their FA clock pushed back a year if they were to spend enough time in the minors this year.
Mariano can’t close every game so Joba will see times when he’s asked to close.
Girardi is a stat guy and will use Chamberlain, Robertson, Park, and Aceves in the role the scouting reports show as favorable.
Marte is a situational lefty.
Congrats phil.. you deserve it!
Erin
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:26 pm
GreenBeret7
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:08 pm
9 and none in the last 6 years.
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GB, you need to treat yourself to a movie!
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Sorry, Doll, but, I just don’t think that I can sit through another Muppet movie with you or the kids.
“The Yankees have such a good rotation, how many times do you really think Joba will be needed for 3-4 inning spurts? Once a week, if that?”
That would be enough to keep him stretched out. He can pitch another one inning outing in the interim.
“He’ll get plenty of work and be ready to step into the rotation next year when Pettitte and Vazquez are gone.”
It’s not merely about next season. Doesn’t it seem like at least one starter spends some time on the DL every season?
If Joba pitches multiple innings, a week he will be better positioned to go five innings as a starter should the need arise.
Most teams have a swing man on their staff. Why not Joba? They can do it creatively so as to maximize the leverage of the innings when possible.
I bet one of Hughes or Joba is in AAA on opening day. I am pretty confident in that assertion.
I see lots of movies. Of that list, however, only 15.
For whoever referred to them as ‘top movies’ — not actually.
They made the most money. They did not win the most awards (meaning getting the most respect within the industry) or get the most praise from critics.
Reviewing the list, I didn’t see a l6th that looked worth the viewing time.
I
SOS-you have me beat-I’ve seen all but 10. And in my defense, most of the ones I’ve missed are kid movies.
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Erin,
A third of them are kids movies. Some are good and some i looked at my clock and thought i was broke. Not a bad number at all. I make it a goal to watch the top grossed, unless i know for sure i wouldnt be able to handle it or it was on accident. Just watch Alice in Wonderland last week. Would it count if i watched the Chipmunks on mute and just listened to Twilight the new moon(ear plugs on)? That should read pretended to listen.
i would have to give hughes the 5th spot
he sounds like he is evolving as a pitcher
i like that he said as the game went on he noticed that his changeup made his fastball better
hitters were a tick behind his fb because of his cu
sounds like he has at least 3 pitches,maybe more
i think he is way ahead of joba
maybe next year joba can start or take over for mo
also no way logan makes the team over ace or marte
cc
burnett
pettitte
vaz
hughes
ace
joba
robertson
mo
park
marte
pick one more
probably gaudin
posada
cervelli
tex
cano
jeter
arod
gardner
granderson
swisher
johnson
pena
winn
thames
I am going to reiterate this again, even though it gets shot down each time.
I would rather watch Phil pitch than Joba, as starters.
As a fan, I watch partly for the entertainment value and partly to watch the Yankees win.
I enjoy watching Phil start and I love watching Joba pump his fists in the 8th and 9th innings. Phil has more pitches and is more subtle. I love to watch him. Joba can fling 98mph fastballs past the Ryan Howards and Manny Ramirez’s of the world. I love to see that.
I don’t care if people think Joba is going to be a better starter. I like to watch him where he is. Is entertainment not the reason for baseball, anyway? Is it really just to “win?”
GreenBeret7
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:29 pm
GB, you need to treat yourself to a movie!
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Sorry, Doll, but, I just don’t think that I can sit through another Muppet movie with you or the kids.
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LOL
Oh come on, GB, everybody loves a Muppet movie!!
GB,
Just curious. Did you see “Grand Torino” that came out last year with Clint Eastwood?
I think you would like it.
Patrick-
“I don’t see why that isn’t still an option.”
It is but IMO it is a lot less likely.
Why ?
Cause JC will show he can be a capable closer.
Because it’s very possible there will not be an opening next year.
Unless you think AP retires, JV isn’t worth keeping beyond this year, or the Yankees would have little or no interest in cliff Lee.
Hughes’ career high in innings is 146. Minor league innings count. That’s the number you work off, not his major league innings.
That theory goes against what the Yankees have actually done.
Joba in 2007 threw 88 innings in the minors and another 30 in the majors – total of 118.
If the Yankees were going to base his work off of minor league and major league totals combined then he would have been free to throw without restriction the following seasons – which we all know he was not.
Bottom line to me are two things:
1. The Yankees invested so much time and effort in these stupid rules and now that he’s ready to actually start without the rules they’re content to turn him into a glorified Aaron Heilman?
2. If they are going to institute some form of “Hughes Rules” that have him making 2 or 3 inning starts to keep him from being overworked, then I would rather have him open the season in AAA making those faux starts there, where development comes before Wins and Losses.
4 out of the 100 movies-No Chipminks or Kung Fu Panda and no Passion of the Christ.
Watched Hughes on mlb.tv and was impressed with changeup, hung a few curves and rarely cracked 90 on radar gun. Gave up 5 extra base hits to AAA players, except the opposite field line drive double to Ryan Howard.
Mlb trade rumors speculating that Dodgers might be interested in one of Gaudin or Mitre for Jamie Hoffmann, who then could be stashed in the minors.
Can anyone remember this many NCAA upsets in the first two rounds?? Was the big east so bad because they were worn out from beating each other up during the season?
cr1
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:30 pm
I see lots of movies. Of that list, however, only 15.
For whoever referred to them as ‘top movies’ — not actually.
They made the most money. They did not win the most awards (meaning getting the most respect within the industry) or get the most praise from critics.
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you’re right. There are a few awards winners on that list (Titanic, Forrest Gump) , but the critically acclaimed movies would be a much different list
The Yankees have to be creative. Rotate Joba, Phil and Andy through the last 2 spots.
The odd man out can throw long relief that week. They will never do it, but IMO they should.
I do expect the club will revisit Joba the starter once he can display that he can throw all pitches for strikes upon demand…..He’s lost that ability , and I don’t care to hear the nonsense that he was hurt back in August 2008…..Tendonitis / Inflammation is not an injury, it’s a temporary condition……I’ve been living with it for 40 years…It comes and it goes…..If they wwere in a pennant race, he may have missed a start if even that…..Shot and ice theraphy, 3 days you’re fine
Pat M, I dressed up as Jaws for Halloween last year; I even made a raft like the one that kid was killed on, complete with bite marks, lol
S.o.S.
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:31 pm
Would it count if i watched the Chipmunks on mute and just listened to Twilight the new moon(ear plugs on)? That should read pretended to listen.
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Sure, that would count. That’d be the only way you’d get me to watch those movies
Fact: Phil Hughes has not yet been proclaimed the 5th starter.
Just wanted to throw that out there before everyone on here gets ahead of themselves. Whether you think Joba or Hughes will be the 5th starter a lot of people are going to look real stupid on here by the end of the week.
Burnett seems to have a lot of ugly, 5+ inning performances where he walks a lot of guys and throws a lot of pitches and labors. Pettitte seems to have his games where he gets tired around the 5th inning and gets hit around.
Those are prime opportunities for Joba to pitch multiple innings.
S.o.S…You never saw Spielberg’s classic, Jaws ???…Do your self a favor and see it…..You’ve hanging out in The Inland Empire too long …..
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Pat,
Lol!! How did you guess i watched Colors and Boys in the Hood? For comedy, Friday and Friday after next. Time to broaden my horizen. You have to admit. After watching the special affects of the 90′s and 00′s. Its not easy watching something like that from the 70′s unless its a Star Wars movie.
And for those who are going to say “there’s nothing wrong with pitching Joba in the pen – that’s what Mo did”
I would point out that Mo did it for one year and then the Yankees let John Wetteland go so that Mo could assume the closer’s role.
Anyone think that the Yankees will turn to Mariano this winter and say “Yeah, we’re not going to re-sign you; we’ve got Joba.”
Mariano’s going to be with the Yankees for as long as he wants to be.
The spots in the rotation that may be opened up by the free agent status of Andy and Javy will likely be filled by Cliff Lee and either one of them coming back or one of the other young starters.
In other words – if he pitches this year out of the pen he’s going to be in the 8th inning for quite a long time.
ray (sox fan)
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:33 pm
GB,
Just curious. Did you see “Grand Torino” that came out last year with Clint Eastwood?
I think you would like it.
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Afternoon, Ray. Great to see you. How are you and the (sox
fan) family doing?
Say!!!! You didn’t get fired for being on the company internet again, did you?
Strange as it is, I bought the movie months ago and still haven’t watched it. I’m waiting until it becomes a classic, I guess.
The logic is, Mariano is 40 and is coming off a post-season in which he was hurt and pitching at around 60% health.
He was throwing 86-87 in Game 6. There is a good chance he wouldn’t have been able to pitch a Hame 7. If he did, he wouldn’t have been close to 100%.
The less they have to tax him in the regular season makes him fresher in the post-season.
At 40, and with a guy capable of going multi-innings behind him, you have the chance to keep him fresher.
BTW Chip, I wouldn’t be questioning someone’s logic when you had Gardner in AAA and Aceves traded.
Two things that aren’t happening.
” I don’t care to hear the nonsense that he was hurt back in August 2008…..Tendonitis / Inflammation is not an injury, it’s a temporary condition……”
Then:
1) Why didn’t his velocity return?
2) Why does David Cone think otherwise?
Grand Torino character is loosely based on a novel about GB
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....038;y=2010
With the April schedule days off and spacing, a 5th starter might not be needed the first 2-3 weeks.
Phil certainly threw his share of “Blue Bayous” but unfortunately mixed in a few “Afternoon Delights”
I guess it comes down to how Girardi prefers his 70′s soft rock.
Smooth $ Sultry?
or catchy yet fleeting?
Stay tuned…
Phil has been a pro longer than Joba and had more innings under his belt than Joba. That factors into it.
If you have a beef, take it up with Cashman because he explained the entire innings concept on Kay’s show over the winter.
Hughes’ innings could very possibly be an issue this year.
He seems to have a similar if not the same restriction as Joba last year. Joba was the 5th starter last year and innings were a major issue.
Also, along these lines if Hughes is the 5th starter, come playoff time the Yankees will need their 1-4 to be healthy b/c Hughes probably will not be able to pitch.
Pat M, I dressed up as Jaws for Halloween last year; I even made a raft like the one that kid was killed on, complete with bite marks, lol
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Betsy,
Did the kids think you were a rubber ducky in a tub? The surely wouldnt know what Jaws is. Would they? You can put Flipper on that same list.
My bet is on fifth starter by committee:
Phil starts first 3 innings; joba next 3; Mitre to close the remaining 2/3.
ESPN’s treatment of the Yankees (v. Phillies) today was actually bearable, if not pretty fair.
Can you believe it, Kruk was even handed in his commentary and interviews of Girardi and various players. He even extolled the virtues of the team. LOL
That said, in the past I, as many others I’m sure, would have to mute any Yankee game on ESPN or cringe and bear it.
Erin
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:32 pm
GreenBeret7
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:29 pm
GB, you need to treat yourself to a movie!
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Sorry, Doll, but, I just don’t think that I can sit through another Muppet movie with you or the kids.
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LOL
Oh come on, GB, everybody loves a Muppet movie!!
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I take you and the kids to see them, but, never get to watch the movie. I spend all night running to the cocession stand for popcorn, sodas, candy or taking the kids to the restroom. What I get is the Siskel And Ebert rundown. No sense in watching afer that.
i was surprised to learn that hoffman was offered back already, but he really didnt show much at the plate.
if hughes wins the #5 spot, i think as long as joba can get outs he should be in the Pen.
also last year we saw a lot more relievers giving multiple innings and i think it helped all the arms on our pitching staff out tremendously. i think to start the year Joe would prefer mitre or aceves who can go multiple innings over a second lefty.
go yanks
SoS, I only wore it at work, lol. It was hard because of the fin on my back, lol – hard, that is, to sit. A few years ago, I dressed up as Theodore Roosevelt, one of my favorite historical figures. I even used a bat to stand in for the “big stick”. Unfortunately, my coworkers thought I was Charlie Chaplin, lol.
2 years ago, I was a smurf – I think that was my best costume, lol.
Pat M.
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:39 pm
Grand Torino character is loosely based on a novel about GB
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It would have to be extremely “loosely based”. Not exactly Audie Murphy here.
Grand Torino character is loosely based on a novel about GB
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Funny you would say that. While watching the movie, all i can think about is
A. Is this a true story. Alternate ending of coarse.
B. It has GB down to the T. Even to the nice Classic car i could see him driving in.
Joba, if his velocity is back, is our best arm setting up Rivera. You don’t use a guy like that as a ‘swing man’ and use lesser pitchers later in the games. Especially when our closer is 40, is going to need more time off, and will rarely be used in the 8th inning to bail out guys.
I know everyone loves Robertson, but he wasn’t the one that Girardi wanted setting up MO in the postseason… Joba was. Robertson pitched 3 games in extra innings and was the 2nd to last arm out of the pen in all those games. He is not better than Joba.
I stayed away from the blog this afternoon because I was taping the game and I wanted to watch without knowing what happened.
I thought Phil looked really good today. He made a few location mistakes but was constantly ahead, threw all 4 pitches for strikes and threw some really nasty changeups.
He gained a swagger last year in the pen that I really don’t think he had before. He has gained confidence in that change really quickly and is throwing it in all counts. He did make some location mistakes but one thing is for sure, the quality of stuff and command of four pitches is there.
Based on the April schedule if CC pitches every 5th day then a 5th starter won’t be needed until the 18th and the 24th the entire month. The 5th man will need to get some innings in the bullpen to stay sharp.
Chapman pulled early from the Cincinnati game for back stiffness. Jockety just had a heart attack thinking about Dusty Baker’s new found love.
First of all,
I understand that the 5th starters spot has been a widely debated topic.
I know the winner has not been announced, however, I strongly believe that phil will be the 5th starter.
“Joba, if his velocity is back, is our best arm setting up Rivera. You don’t use a guy like that as a ’swing man’ and use lesser pitchers later in the games. ”
2010 isn’t the only season that matters. Cash has said that in developing young pitchers, you have to pay attention to the short- and the long-term. Creatively using Joba as a swing man accomplishes that goal.
S.o.S.
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:48 pm
Grand Torino character is loosely based on a novel about GB
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Funny you would say that. While watching the movie, all i can think about is
A. Is this a true story. Alternate ending of coarse.
B. It has GB down to the T. Even to the nice Classic car i could see him driving in.
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Well, I do drive a 1989 Pontiac Gran Trans Am with a 5.7 litre engine. Runs like a dream. Never had the heads off and has 276,000 miles on it. Tops out at 160 MPH.
SJ -
I think I’ve stated my qualms quite plainly.
If the Yankees intend to let Hughes pitch with no restrictions and if they intend to leave Joba in the pen from here on out – then I’m fine with it.
However, if the Yankees plan to do with Hughes what they have done with Joba over the last couple of years then I would prefer that Hughes open the season at AAA and pitch those shorter games in an arena where wins and losses are secondary to a player’s development.
And if the plan is for Joba to remain in the 8th inning role this season and going forward, then I would certainly explore trade opportunities for him since Mariano will likely be here at least a couple of more years and the Yankees could conceivably get a stud OF for Chamberlain (Matt Kemp? Carlos Gonzalez?) if they put him on the market as a starter.
Again, I don’t think that pitching in the 8th inning is a waste – I do think it’s a waste of Joba.
Erin
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:32 pm
LOL
Oh come on, GB, everybody loves a Muppet movie!!
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This is a fact!
I doubt Cashman is going to tell Girardi how to use Joba. If they wanted him to get innings, they would have sent him to AAA. He is with the big club because he is one of the 12 best pitchers on the team. Thus, he will be used in ways which help the team the most… and that is not pitching as a long man.
It’s not fair to Girardi to ask him to use his best reliever next to MO to pitch like a long man. If innings are such an important consideration, don’t bring him north with the big club. Or let him start the season in AAA.
Tarheelyank
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:25 pm
“OOH!!!!!
For what????????”
E uphoric
R ambunctious
I ntelligent
C ontagious
A ccountant
Contagious in a good way.
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I like it!!!!
Thank you!
Cashman didn’t tell Girardi how to use Hughes, why would he tell him how to use Joba? He’s probably going to let Girardi decide how he wants to use him.
GB, I know I mentioned this when I saw the Movie ” Grand Totino” that the Eastwick character just played into this mental image I have of you, minus the golf club in hand……Do get the movie, it’s really quite good….I was surprised actually……Grand Am….Smokey and the Bandit revisited
GB-
If you pack a 44 magnum, than I know it was based on you!!!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066999/quotes
Erica – always OPPC – Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:57 pm
Erin
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:32 pm
LOL
Oh come on, GB, everybody loves a Muppet movie!!
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This is a fact!
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LOL, I knew you’d back me up on this!
How much of their decision is based on long-term projection?
Here’s the info that Trader was referring to about the Yanks possobly working a deal to get Hoffmann back, according to MLB-Runors-R-Us.
“Earlier today the Yankees returned Rule 5 selection Jamie Hoffmann to the Dodgers, however the doesn’t mean they lost him forever. Mark Feinsand of The New York Daily News notes that there have been “plenty of whispers in recent weeks” about the two teams working out a trade to keep Hoffmann in pinstripes, possibly involving Chad Gaudin or Sergio Mitre.
Los Angeles already has plenty of options in camp for the back of their rotation, though many of those pitchers have unfavorable contract situations. Both Gaudin and Mitre are out of options, but there’s a chance the Dodgers’ brass feels more comfortable when one of them in the rotation instead of their current fifth starter hodgepodge. Last week we heard that the Yanks were “almost certain” to deal one of the Gaudin or Mitre.
If a trade is made, it would allow the Yankees to stash Hoffmann in Triple-A, something they couldn’t do with the Rule 5 strings attached. After dealing both Melky Cabrera and Austin Jackson earlier this offseason, the team is looking to rebuild some outfield depth.”
GB, I know I mentioned this when I saw the Movie ” Grand Totino”
Pat M- Are you talking about “Grand Torino” or “Grande Tostada?” lol.
Well, I do drive a 1989 Pontiac Gran Trans Am with a 5.7 litre engine.
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GB,
I would hang onto it and make it a part of your furniture once it stops running. Its priceless!! I think you have 1 of a kind. So rare, that most on this blog including myself never heard of a GRAN Trans Am. Food for thought-its probably worth even more if it has flames on the hood. Just something to think about.
But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you’ve got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?
That theory goes against what the Yankees have actually done.
Joba in 2007 threw 88 innings in the minors and another 30 in the majors – total of 118.
If the Yankees were going to base his work off of minor league and major league totals combined then he would have been free to throw without restriction the following seasons – which we all know he was not.
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You don’t know what you’re talking about. Joba was on pace to throw 140ish innings in 2008 but was out on injury. Given his previous high, they gave him around 30-40 innings in 2009, which is the correct increase based on everyones rule of thumb.
That gives him 190-200 innings for 2010, which is all you need for a 5th starter.
Hughes high is 140, which at 30-40 innings is more than enough for the 5th starter.
And Cashman has already gone on record as stating that they use previous highs and Hughes will not have any severe restrictions.
Pat M.
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:59 pm
GB, I know I mentioned this when I saw the Movie ” Grand Totino” that the Eastwick character just played into this mental image I have of you, minus the golf club in hand……Do get the movie, it’s really quite good….I was surprised actually……Grand Am….Smokey and the Bandit revisited
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I get enough crap from Randy about my golf game. Now, I’m getting it from the West Coast?
actually, I have the movie, but, just haven’t watched it, yet, Pat. Love that Trans am, though. 275,000 miles and doesn’t burn a drop of oil and still gets 23-24 MPH on the road. It’s brutal in town, though…about 16 MPH w/o air running and around 12-13 with the air on.
Ron Shapiro’s hair piece haha
“I doubt Cashman is going to tell Girardi how to use Joba.”
Why would he have to do that?
Yankee Trader
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:01 pm
GB, I know I mentioned this when I saw the Movie ” Grand Totino”
Pat M- Are you talking about “Grand Torino” or “Grande Tostada?” lol.
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WOW!!! Taking cheap shots. That upsets me. After all, he is one of my own. He’s as bad/good as me at spelling.
“If you pack a 44 magnum, than I know it was based on you!!!”
The funny thing about guns is that it often seems that the people who want them most probably shouldn’t have them.
Wonder what Johan or Torii are thinking hearing the Twins Pres. say if you have an All-Star player, you find a way to get a contract done and you don’t let them go.
Pat went from Grande tostada to Witches of Eastwick. Its hard enough to get GB to watch one movie. Now you want him to watch two with his stomach acting up. Good luck.
Yankee Trader….Grand Torino,,,although GB could qualify as the Grande Tostada
“Wonder what Johan or Torii are thinking hearing the Twins Pres. say if you have an All-Star player, you find a way to get a contract done and you don’t let them go”
I think the new stadium played a significant role.
S.o.S.
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:01 pm
Well, I do drive a 1989 Pontiac Gran Trans Am with a 5.7 litre engine.
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GB,
I would hang onto it and make it a part of your furniture once it stops running. Its priceless!! I think you have 1 of a kind. So rare, that most on this blog including myself never heard of a GRAN Trans Am. Food for thought-its probably worth even more if it has flames on the hood. Just something to think about.
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Not a lot of them made. It was a Special Addition. The dashboard looked like the control panel on an F-17.
Scosia put Hideki in the OF for a few innings today.
Chien Ming Wang threw a bullpen today.
GB-
And if it’s black it probably looks like this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-117_Nighthawk
You guys have ne so confused, I don’t remember what movie was suggested that I watch. Other than “The Muppet Movie” because Erin and Erica just sent me threatening e-mails if I didn’t.
Rich
No doubt the stadium played a role.
I’m happy Mauer is staying in Minny but the financials have to be a little scary for the Twins.
Mauer’s $184 is more than half of the 2009 value of the franchise and $23M/yr is about 35% of their total payroll from 2009.
It will be interesting to see how these financials play into future deals the Twins make.
Not a lot of them made. It was a Special Addition. The dashboard looked like the control panel on an F-17.
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I had a 1984 Chevy Camaro Berlineta which had a dashboard like and f-17. The radio was like a miniture t.v. on the center console. I have to admit. I have no idea what an F-17 panel looks like.
Funny story.
A couple years ago i wanted to get me an early 90′s Trans Am with that 5.7 Corvette like engine. My wife looked at me looking on line for these cars and said. Unless you plan on driving alone and growing a stache with a mullet. I would suggest you think of something else to buy. I just wasnt too confident i would look good in a mullet and food saved for later on my upper lip.
MTU(aka GBURL)
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:17 pm
GB-
And if it’s black it probably looks like this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-117_Nighthawk
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Actually, it’s metallic burgandy. That Nighthawk is an incredible plane. I still love the Spooky gunships, though.
I’m new to Twitter. I see a couple people here post updates of different Twitter accounts. I was wondering if somebody can give me the best Yankee Twitter people to follow…
GB-
“I still love the Spooky gunships, though.”
Puff the magic dragon ?
GreenBeret7
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:18 pm
You guys have ne so confused, I don’t remember what movie was suggested that I watch. Other than “The Muppet Movie” because Erin and Erica just sent me threatening e-mails if I didn’t.
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That’s right. The Muppet Movie should be required viewing for everyone!
GB-
And if it’s black it probably looks like this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-117_Nighthawk
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Damn MTU. GB said he drives it not lives in it. How did this go from watching a movie this decade to flying a billion dollar airplane? Way to change the subject GB and get out of watching any movie that comes in color.
S.o.S.
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:22 pm
Not a lot of them made. It was a Special Addition. The dashboard looked like the control panel on an F-17.
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I had a 1984 Chevy Camaro Berlineta which had a dashboard like and f-17. The radio was like a miniture t.v. on the center console. I have to admit. I have no idea what an F-17 panel looks like.
Funny story.
A couple years ago i wanted to get me an early 90’s Trans Am with that 5.7 Corvette like engine. My wife looked at me looking on line for these cars and said. Unless you plan on driving alone and growing a stache with a mullet. I would suggest you think of something else to buy. I just wasnt too confident i would look good in a mullet and food saved for later on my upper lip.
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That kind of car doesn’t have the same sort of stigma here as in the bigger East and West Coast cities though. Not sure why I bought it, other than I didn’t like the Ford Mustangs from that year.
Eventually Rich Intelligent Countess of America. Erica. I remember when the government first introduced you.
Sierchio, here’s a few.
Bryan Hoch
Jack Curry
Mark Feinsand
Sweeny Murti
You guys had the wrong image for GB in Gran Torino.
For me, “The Man with no eyes” from “Cool Hand Luke” might work better.
“I’m shakin’ it Boss. I’m shakin” it. ”
Thanks Bronx. I appreciate it… anybody else have any suggestions? I thought I saw one that was the Newark Ledger??
MTU(aka GBURL)
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:25 pm
GB-
“I still love the Spooky gunships, though.”
Puff the magic dragon ?
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Yeah, that’s the one. They had the chain link mini guns on them, that was later changed to 25MM gatling guns. They then added twin 40MM Bofers cannons and one 105MM Howitzer in the doorway.
Phil the Thrill
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:29 pm
Eventually Rich Intelligent Countess of America. Erica. I remember when the government first introduced you.
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We can only hope!!!!!
I was praised today for my positive attitude and all of the extra tax returns I have been taking on. My reply was, “just give me an awesome raise!”
I wouldn’t take a bullet for the President,
but I’d take one for Mariano Rivera.
Gb-
“eah, that’s the one. They had the chain link mini guns on them, that was later changed to 25MM gatling guns. They then added twin 40MM Bofers cannons and one 105MM Howitzer in the doorway.”
I saw a video of one of them laying down the goods and it was just effin’ unbelievable.
Poor bastards on the ground wouldn’t stand a chance.
Wall of lead.
And I guess that’s good.
And I could see how that could become someone’s best friend.
New post
Erin
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:27 pm
GreenBeret7
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:18 pm
You guys have ne so confused, I don’t remember what movie was suggested that I watch. Other than “The Muppet Movie” because Erin and Erica just sent me threatening e-mails if I didn’t.
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That’s right. The Muppet Movie should be required viewing for everyone!
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“Yes, Ma’am” (using my low inside voice and looking down, kicking at an imaginary pebble).
Chip
Very well reasoned argument.
How about an Alfa Romeo GTV 2000, Twin Weber, metallic pearl, midnight blue. Will do 160, not as quickly. (Got clocked on radar at 148 at 4 AM, nother story) but will outcorner anything else on the road.
EA
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:48 pm
Joba, if his velocity is back, is our best arm setting up Rivera. You don’t use a guy like that as a ’swing man’ and use lesser pitchers later in the games. Especially when our closer is 40, is going to need more time off, and will rarely be used in the 8th inning to bail out guys.
I know everyone loves Robertson, but he wasn’t the one that Girardi wanted setting up MO in the postseason… Joba was. Robertson pitched 3 games in extra innings and was the 2nd to last arm out of the pen in all those games. He is not better than Joba.
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robertson has been pitching better than joba for a long time
right now i take roberton in a big spot over joba easilly
when & if joba ever gets it back i might change my mind
send joba…to scranton…and he’s already stretched out…so give him the whole season to work on his pitching. If the brother…does good…call him up…later in the season and return hughes to the bullpen when he gets to his innings limit…its a win..win…or send someone else up if he stinks up the joint…like some up and coming scranton starter…hey it works..!
It’s beginning to look like there is no fifth starter. A likely scenario from the first twinkle in Cashman’s eye on this. Hughes and Chamberlain, for whatever reason, have never given any indication that they’ll be big league starters. At least they’re pretty good relievers. Same for Aceves. Gaudin and Mitre don’t belong in New York (maybe with the Mets). Too bad the Yankees didn’t spend a nominal amount on Wang and Bedard. Come June, when they’re healthy and ready to go, you’d at least have two guys to look forward to that have been top of the rotation pitchers.