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Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Podcast on Mar 22, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

A decision about the Yankees fifth starter is coming, and it’s coming soon.

“We’ve got Tuesday off and Wednesday we’ll probably have some serious discussions about what our next move is and who we feel is going to get innings,” Joe Girardi said.

Today, Girardi watched two of his candidates pitch. He watched Joba Chamberlain get a ton of ground balls in the intrasquad game and he watched Phil Hughes strikeout six against the Phillies. By the end of the week, the Yankees fifth-starter candidates will at least be trimmed. Girardi wouldn’t rule out anything. He said it’s possible both Hughes and Chamberlain end up in the bullpen. He said it’s possible — but unlikely — that someone goes to Triple-A. It’s possible a couple of candidates will get one more start before the Yankees make a decision.

“We have five guys,” he said. “We have, in a sense, one spot in the rotation and three in the bullpen. I can’t tell you exactly what’s going to happen. We still have two weeks to go.”

Here’s Girardi’s morning session after Chamberlain pitched in the intrasquad game. He said there was “no rhyme or reason” to which pitchers pitched in which game.

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Here’s Girardi’s postgame session after Hughes pitched and moves were made.

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Yankees Phillies Spring Baseball• A.J. Burnett allowed five runs in his first inning against the Phillies, but settled down to pitch the next three scoreless. “I threw some good changeups,” Burnett said. “They got hit, but you keep throwing them. It’s different. In the season, you might start off bringing the curveball out a little earlier, but we wanted to establish that fastball early and they swung early.”

• Chamberlain on his changeup: “It keeps getting better. This was probably the best my changeup’s ever been. I threw some great pitches today. There’s times I got a little bit tired but those are times you’ve got to bear in and not take a pitch off because it can hurt you… I got a swing and a miss on Weber who has been hitting the ball great all spring. To see a guy who’s been locked in like that to swing through a changeup is a good sign for me. And I got him to roll over on a changeup in his first at-bat.”

• You really have to consider Marcus Thames a heavy favorite to make the team now that Jamie Hoffmann has been sent back to Los Angeles. “As I’ve said all along, Marcus has the most experience in that situation and against left-handers and has a proven track record,” Girardi said. “But we’ll continue to evaluate the other guys.”

• Ramiro Pena also has the “most experience” label in the utility infielder competition.

• Mariano Rivera got three outs, one of them a strikeout. He is scheduled to pitch again on Wednesday. “Feeling good fellas, feeling good,” he said.

• Chan Ho Park was dominant in the intrasquad game: Seven outs, five strikeouts, one hit. He threw 29 pitches, 21 for strikes. “He did everything we wanted him to do,” Girardi said.

• Damaso Marte got four outs, including a double play. He walked one, struck out one and allowed two hits. Dave Robertson also got four outs. He struck out three and walked one.

• Mike Rivera has a sore hamstring, leading to a brilliant tweet from Mark Feinsand.

• The hitters stats from the intrasquad game.
Thames: 3-for-10, all three hits off Pettitte.
Winn: 4-for-9, double
Golson: 3-for-6, double
Gorecki: 6-for-10, 3 doubles and a walk, doubled off Rivera
Romine: 2-for-6
Rivera: 0-for-5
Miranda: 1-for-5, double
Hoffmann: 2-for-4, walk
Weber: 1-for-5

• Judd Golsan was the only lower-level minor leaguer to bat in the intrasquad game, probably because he’s a lefty. He went 0-for-4 but did draw a walk.

• As for numbers you can find in a box score, Mark Teixeira went 4-for-4 today against the Phillies. Curtis Granderson went 2-for-3 with a walk and an RBI double off lefty Cole Hamels. Ramiro Pena also had two hits.

• Royce Ring retired the only batter he faced, getting lefty Raul Ibanez to pop out.

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110 Responses to “Notes from Tuesday”

  1. CR9 March 22nd, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Chip

    Very well reasoned argument.

  2. Erin March 22nd, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    • Mike Rivera has a sore hamstring, leading to a brilliant tweet from Mark Feinsand.

    ***************************
    After I got over my initial panic, I had to admit it was funny. :)

  3. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter March 22nd, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    We are getting closer to the winner of GT5S-

    For those who need a refresher, we played on February 19th. Here are the guesses:

    Phil Hughes – Erica, Upstate Kate, Frank, Erin, Kevin, m, bj, Mitre’s mom, Yankee Ray, blake, David in Cal, Austinmac, Peter R, Patrick, Wave Your Hat

    Joba Chamberlain – Betsy, Uncle E, NYY626, Dassit, Dave F, JsDad, lets go Yankees, ant928

    Kei Igawa- Teddy
    Sidney Ponson – Roger
    Chad Gaudin – G. Love
    Roger Clemens – Robbykid
    Alfredo Aceves – Chuck58

  4. Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    If somehow both Hughes and Joba end up in the pen, there should be mass firings. Not that I think there is a chance of that happening.

  5. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter March 22nd, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    On a side note, its nothing personal against him, but I am very against Royce Ring ever making the Yanks 25-man roster.

    I cannot see or hear the name without thinking of the Rose Royce “Car Wash” song

  6. MTU(aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Erica-

    That’s what makes the world go round I guess.

    For me, his name sounds like an elegant car made by the Brits. :)

  7. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 22nd, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Just curious. For the many of the people on here that have proclaimed Hughes the 5th starter after his performance today:

    How are you evaluating Joba’s performance? Just for the sake of it, how do you know that Joba did not look significantly better than Hughes out there?

  8. Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    “As I’ve said all along, Marcus has the most experience in that situation and against left-handers and has a proven track record,” Girardi said.

    That is disturbingly Torre-esque.

  9. Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    LGY

    I’m fine with Joba as the 5th starter, but I think the competition has been a sham, and I think that Girardi’s comments that nothing should be read into why Hughes pitched against the Phillies today while Joba pitched an intra-squad game is baloney.

  10. vinny-b March 22nd, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    over/under on Mitre at the #5 starter ?

  11. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 22nd, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    I did not watch the game. What inning did the Philly regulars get taken out?

  12. vinny-b March 22nd, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    for the record: Hughes has to be the #5

    kinda hope Mitre remains on the roster, tho

  13. MTU(aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    And in other news.

    In a super swaperoo Phil Hughes reverses roles with Joba Chamberlain.

    And this just in.

    In his new role PH showed flashes of brillance though his overall performance was inconsistant as is to be expected of young starters.

    And finally from our late evening news desk this item.

    Joba Chamberlain was able to recapture the magic that was his 2007 season working out of the BP. His fire breathing fist pumping style left fans spellbound. :)

  14. CR9 March 22nd, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    How much more debate can there be regarding Joba/Phil?

    Every day, Every blog post. LOL

  15. MTU(aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    “How much more debate can there be regarding Joba/Phil?”

    Answer:

    How large is the Universe ? :)

  16. S.o.S. March 22nd, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    CR9,
    It reminds me of the Melky/Gardner debates. Unfortunately, i can see this going on through this year and into next. Unless one of 2 things happen. They both get a starting position next spring or one gets traded.

  17. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Joe, please – Joba and Phil are not both going to be in the pen.

  18. raymagnetic March 22nd, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    “That is disturbingly Torre-esque.”

    I think most managers would take being Torre-esque in a hard beat. JMO.

  19. Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    “I think most managers would take being Torre-esque in a hard beat. JMO.”

    If by that you mean being afforded the luxury of managing an extremely talented team fueled by a huge payroll advantage, then I agree.

  20. MTU(aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    Rich-

    “I’m fine with Joba as the 5th starter, but I think the competition has been a sham, and I think that Girardi’s comments that nothing should be read into why Hughes pitched against the Phillies today while Joba pitched an intra-squad game is baloney.”

    I am curious as to why you believe all this ?

    Sham, etc.

  21. Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    MTU

    Because no matter what Eiland and Girardi have said about all five candidates getting an equal shot, I think there is no way that Gaudin, Aceves, or Mitre were going to be in the rotation.

  22. CR9 March 22nd, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    # Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    “I think most managers would take being Torre-esque in a hard beat. JMO.”

    If by that you mean being afforded the luxury of managing an extremely talented team fueled by a huge payroll advantage, then I agree.

    __

    LOL Good one!

  23. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter March 22nd, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    MTU(aka GBURL)
    March 22nd, 2010 at 8:10 pm
    “How much more debate can there be regarding Joba/Phil?”

    Answer:

    How large is the Universe ?

    ***************

    But it was so much cuter when we called them Ernie and Bert!!

  24. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter March 22nd, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    I am all alone in my office. Its time to leave.

    Good night all!

  25. MTU(aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    Rich-

    Do you believe the starting pitcher candidates thought it was a sham, or do you think they thought they had a legitimate shot ?

  26. MTU(aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Betsy-

    “Joba and Phil are not both going to be in the pen.”

    The Solomonic solution ? :)

  27. S.o.S. March 22nd, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    Because no matter what Eiland and Girardi have said about all five candidates getting an equal shot, I think there is no way that Gaudin, Aceves, or Mitre were going to be in the rotation.

    ========

    Co-signed. It was always a 2 man race. I also believe that it was also Phils to lose. I think he held on just enough till the clock read zeros to win that spot.

  28. Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    MTU

    I have no idea.

  29. MTU(aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    S.o.S-

    Just curious.

    If PH gets the job this year what kind of performance are you expecting out of him ?

    For instance W/L, era, etc.

  30. Pat M. March 22nd, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    MTU…..13-7 era 3.75

  31. blake March 22nd, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    I think Aceves, Gaudin, and Mitre did have a chance to win the spot but that was predicated on Joba and Hughes either both getting hurt or both grossly underperforming and to date neither has happened.

  32. blake March 22nd, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    “MTU…..13-7 era 3.75″

    I think Pat M’s crystal ball is tuned in nicely. I’d say that with around 150 K’s and a great WHIP.

  33. MTU(aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Pat M.-

    I Hope you are right but I think you’re wildly optimistic.

    Even if Phil gets the job.

    I expect many of the same growing pains that Joba went thru.

    Hope the fans are kinder to him than they were to Joba. :)

  34. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    MTU, the Solomonic solution, yes….lol

  35. S.o.S. March 22nd, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    MTU,
    15-8 with a 4.3 era.

    Joba fills in for injured and gets 9 wins with a 3.8. Most from relief.

  36. MTU(aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    S.o.S-

    Some people around here are very, very optimistic. :)

  37. MTU(aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    OK. Just for fun. let’s turn the question around on itself.

    If Joba goes to the pen.

    What kind of pitcher can we expect to see ?

    What would his era, etc. be ?

  38. blake March 22nd, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    MTU,
    What would you project for Joba if he wins?

  39. S.o.S. March 22nd, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    lol. What were you expecting us to say? 6-14 record with a 7 era? Lets here your 2010 prediction.

  40. pat March 22nd, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    Mo going high socks today?

    http://twitpic.com/1a99zb Mariano pitching to Randy Winn.

  41. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 22nd, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Pat,

    I believe some of your optimism regarding Phil comes from when we calculated his ERA last season as a starter minus that one abysmal start.

    I was thinking though that since he only made 7 starts and therefore his ERA could be skewed so easily not just for the worse but for the better. Therefore I threw out his abysmal start AND his best start and Hughes was at 4.68.

    Either way it is not very telling, but I think it is interesting.

  42. MTU(aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Blake-

    I would project northwards of 10 wins.

    I couldn’t say by how much.

    Era around 4.0

    Some stellar outings, a few clunkers, and many 5-6 inning no decisions.

    Keeps the team in the game for the most part.

  43. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    I was thinking though that since he only made 7 starts and therefore his ERA could be skewed so easily not just for the worse but for the better. Therefore I threw out his abysmal start AND his best start and Hughes was at 4.68.

    Yea but what is more likely? That he gives up 8 runs in 1.2 IP or throws blanks? He already had a 6 IP SHO that season

  44. Yanks 97 March 22nd, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Hey – Cashman gave Girardi Winn/Thames. It’s not like he is favoring old veterans over young kids with potential like Torre did. We tried Hoffman, and he flamed out, so we have no other choice.

    They want a RH power bat off the bench and Thames is their only option.

  45. MTU(aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    S.o.S-

    Similar to what I just projected for Joba.

    I do not expect Phil to become an overnight sensation if that’s what you meant. :)

  46. Pat M. March 22nd, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Well, we can start an over / under on what I put out there…..I see no reason why he can’t achieve those figures….I really don’t….

  47. HolyYankee! March 22nd, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    I think it is Chamberlain that wins the 5th job. He already logged 157 innings last year in majors and Hughes finished the season with slightly over 80 innings. Chamberlain is on the right track to become 3rd starter in 2011′s rotation so why should Yankees hold him back again.

    I still like Hughes but whatever.

    I have charted up the pitching schedule against Red Sox, Rays, Angels and Rangers to kick off the regular season. They have 3 day offs in the span of April 4th – 18th.

    I would prefer that Hughes and Chamberlain will be optioned to Scranton in order to have extra arms in bullpen. Marte is put on 15 day DL, so thus Logan is in.

    Pitching roster:

    SP: Sabathia, Vazquez, Burnett, Pettitte.
    LP: Mitre, Gaudin, Aceves.
    RP: Rivera, Park, Robertson, Melancon, Logan.

    Vs. Red Sox.

    4th: Sabathia.
    6th: Vazquez.
    7th: Pettitte.

    Vs. Rays.

    9th: Sabathia.
    10th: Burnett.
    11th: vazquez.

    Vs. Angels.

    13th: Pettitte. on 5 day rest.
    14th: Sabathia.
    15th: Burnett.

    Vs. Rangers.

    16th: Vazquez.
    17th: Chamberlain. Melancon opted to Scranton.
    18th. Pettitte.

    Afterward, once Yankees move either or both Mitre or Gaudin, Hughes is brought back.

  48. MTU(aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    Pat. M-

    I would say they are on the edge of what I would think of as possible.

    I would say under on both though but I don’t bet. :)

  49. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 22nd, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    “Yea but what is more likely? That he gives up 8 runs in 1.2 IP or throws blanks? He already had a 6 IP SHO that season”

    —————————-

    Jerkface,

    I just want to preface this again by saying that either way the numbers here are pretty useless.

    Honestly though, if you look at the limited numbers we have on Phil last year as a starter, the 4.68 seems IMO to be a better representation of Phil last year than the 3.54.

    He made 7 starts last year. 2 were great. 1 was terrible. 4 were mediocre to bad. In those 4 starts his ERA was 6.15.

    So most of the time he went out there (5/7 times) he was much closer to the 4.68 ERA than the 3.54.

  50. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    Why would NYYs bring in a rookie to get maybe 2 or 3 at bats a week when he can be getting at bats at AAA every day. The only reason Cervelli and Pena were in those spots last year were out of necessity. Let Wynegar hone Russo’s and Curtis’ skills a little more and if left field and or utility infield flops, then bring up Russo or Curtis. Not before just because you, the fans don’t like the other players.

  51. blake March 22nd, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Hughes is a better pitcher now than he was last year. He has 4 quality pitches now and IMO gained a ton of confidence in the pen last year. He has a swagger now that he didn’t have before. I don’t think you can look at previous starting numbers to project him because so much has changed since he last started.

  52. Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    The costs of further development have to be weighed against what a young player can contribute to the ML roster. I think Russo can contribute as a RH PH and part-time player. There is nothing Wynegar can teach him that Long can’t.

    Russo has 353 AAA AB. That’s more than the 267 AB he had in AA.

    The only reason I would send Russo down is to have him play some OF, but he should really have started doing that in ST.

  53. ---.---.--- March 22nd, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    Give Chan Ho Park the # 5 spot, Hughes and Chamberlain in the pen!!

  54. Planet Telex March 22nd, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    Park didn’t do particularly well out of rotation last year… btw it can be an understatement

    though he was solid out of rotation for Dodgers in 2008. ahh i’m confused

  55. whatever March 22nd, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    The Yankees are 8-11 in spring training, they had the best record in spring training last year. I have a bad feeling about this team based on that.

    and Hughes better be the 5th starter because I love him.

  56. Nick in SF March 22nd, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    How can anyone project Hughes’ numbers without knowing how he will react to not having his mentor in the clubhouse and dugout with him? The lessons might have stuck, but… we don’t know.

  57. ray (sox fan) March 22nd, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    From someone on the outside looking in I would say Phil’s over/under figure would be 12 for number of wins. Of course that is assuming that he is given the fifth position on the rotation.

  58. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    WOW!!! 350 whole AAA at bats. NYYs need an experience right handed power threat off of the bench, not a rookie singles and doubles hitter who may not be able to ride the bench for 10 days and still produce.

  59. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    If NYY gets 12 wins from the #5 starter, they’ll be in great shape, Ray. Assuming there are no injuries or career crashes from the other 4 in the rotation, that would spell bad news for the rest of the division and baseball.

  60. Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The NYY need a bat off the bench that isn’t limp.

    I hate this experience > ability nonsense.

  61. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 22nd, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    I agree with Nick. Hughes is losing so much of what his comfort zone was las year. Of course he was able to look great out of the pen. He had Mo holding his hand basically telling him what to do before he go into any game. He also need a 6 inning nap in the bullpen before being able to pitch. He was probably out partying all night with Cano and Mekly. Those lazy SOB’s.

    There is no way he is going to be able to carry his success over from the bullpen unless Eiland is there with a platter of milk and cookies between every inning to coddle him.

    He is from the OC for godsake. The kid is soft. Just like all the posters on here from California…

  62. becca March 22nd, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    “The Yankees are 8-11 in spring training, they had the best record in spring training last year. I have a bad feeling about this team based on that.”

    I wonder if you ever have a good feeling about anything

  63. ---.---.--- March 22nd, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Planet Telex

    He’d be in the #5 spot no pressure,Joba and Phil aren’t hungry enough yet!

  64. Fran (the original) and OPPC member March 22nd, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Just got in from celebrating my birthday.

    I really believe that Hughes will be named 5th starter. But since this year there will be the Hughes rules it will be interesting to see how they keep his innings at the limit.

  65. Nick in SF March 22nd, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    Smarten up. I was referring to Johnny Damon.

  66. gayle March 22nd, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    pat-

    that photo looks like marte not Mo

  67. Boston Dave - XXVII March 22nd, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    I think Ray’s prediction is about right – 12 wins for Phil (assuming he’s the #5).

    Vegas would probably have it at 11.5 :)

  68. Tripps78 March 22nd, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    How does Burnett not start in Boston on Game 2? He’s the #2 starter on the team. That whole pitching chart was screwed up after Game 1.

  69. Tarheelyank March 22nd, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    “The NYY need a bat off the bench that isn’t limp.”

    Rich

    I agree the Yankees need a bat off the bench. But if the subject is for the spot of utility infielder, than the glove comes before the bat. Pena is better than Russo with the glove and more verstile as well.

    Now 4th and 5th outfielder is a different story.

  70. Benny Blanco March 22nd, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    Does anyone else besides me believe that its quite possible that both arod and tex could hit a combined 75-80 hr this year??

  71. blake March 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    “Does anyone else besides me believe that its quite possible that both arod and tex could hit a combined 75-80 hr this year??”

    yes. Maybe more.

  72. Pat M. March 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    LGY, This is the season that Phil Hughes emerges as the starter that many expected him to be…..He has the goods to post a 13-7 record and sport an era south of 4.00….All the false starts of the past will be indeed in the past….He doesn’t hurt himself with walks, gets ahead in the count and knows how to pump it up when he needs to….Witness today with a runner at 3rd and 1 out……Now he has served up 5 long balls ( 3 today ), however I do believe 4 of them were on first pitch offerings….He’s going to fine, and by June everyone here will be onboard the Young Master Bandwagon….Until they decide to jump when he coughs up a game or two…….Fickle Yankee fans will always be

  73. MTU(aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Benny-

    I agree with that possibility. I think it’s likely. :)

  74. Erica - always OPPC - member of the GOTFG and GTLU supporter March 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Happy Birthday Fran!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Hope you had an awesome celebration!!!!

  75. Rich on the 6 train March 22nd, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    I still would like Hughes as #5, but giving Joba is understandable. I just think Hughes was born and bred to be a starter. I am not sure Joba knows what he wants to be when he grows up.

    Thames looks like the favorite even though I think Golson should get it.

    Looking forward to Russo and Curtis getting a call up. I agree with many Russo can only help himself with more outfield experience.

  76. Erica - always OPPC - member of the GOTFG and GTLU supporter March 22nd, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    Nick in SF
    March 22nd, 2010 at 9:28 pm
    Smarten up. I was referring to Johnny Damon.

    *************

    Reason #2,323 the Yankees should have re-signed Johnny Damon. SIGH

  77. randy l. March 22nd, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    “If by that you mean being afforded the luxury of managing an extremely talented team fueled by a huge payroll advantage, then I agree.”

    then i guess you would put down cashman with the same logic as you are putting down torre because he has the same luxury.

  78. blake March 22nd, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Hughes got a lot of swings and misses today. Some against really good hitters. The Utley and Ibanez AB’s were really impressive. He threw some great changeups to Utley and then froze him on a 3-2 breaking ball.

    He was throwing fastballs by guys because for the first time that changeup was in the back of their minds. It opens up a whole new world for him if he keeps throwing it that well.

  79. Fran (the original) and OPPC member March 22nd, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Erica,

    Thanks. We went out for sushi and had a good time.

  80. Tarheelyank March 22nd, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Maybe it was the all the movie talk from before, but as soon as I saw Randy’s post: the theme from The Good The Bad and The Ugly started playing on my computer.

  81. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 22nd, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    “Smarten up. I was referring to Johnny Damon.”

    ———————-

    Damn. I see that now. You are a tricky one.

  82. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 22nd, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    In any event, I was just kidding. Except for the part about the posters from CA ;)…

  83. Tarheelyank March 22nd, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv-VxrsF9sI

  84. blake March 22nd, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    How bout Granderson getting an opposite field double against a good lefty today. He’s starting to swing it better as of later.

  85. pat March 22nd, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Gayle

    Picture and tweet was from Bryan Hoch.

  86. Pat M. March 22nd, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    LGY, I let that comment slide the first time, now you’re scrapiing your nails against a chalkboard…..Remember, I was born and raised in NY…..I’ll find out what car you drive, beware !!!!!!

  87. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter March 22nd, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    LGY-

    Don’t let Nick fool you! He only throws in random Johnny Damon references to get a rise out of me

  88. Bronx Jeers March 22nd, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    Maybe the Yanks should consider Elijah Dukes? Not for his bat of course.

    But who better to continue Damon’s “Thug-Life Lessons” with Young Squire Hughes than the Thug Master himself.

  89. whatever March 22nd, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    golsen is a joke, no way he gets it

  90. Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    “then i guess you would put down cashman with the same logic as you are putting down torre because he has the same luxury.”

    Cash has had the same luxury in terms of what the payroll offers, and yes, that is a huge advantage, but he has had a bigger role in overseeing the selection of the talent.

    The people who deserve the most credit for the first four rings, apart from the players, are Stick and Buck. Stick rebuilt this franchise from the ashes, and Buck helped develop most of the young players that Stick acquired.

    Overall, I think Torre is vastly overrated. He played a valuable role early on by injecting calm into the overcontrolled atmosphere that Buck had created (the downside of Buck), but he became a negative presence over time as a result of his horrendous bullpen management, and by showing too much favoritism to “his guys.”

    We actually didn’t know how deleterious the situation Torre had created had become until Cash recently revealed that CC was apprehensive about playing here because the word was that players felt uncomfortable in the Yankees’ clubhouse because the specter of the four rings was casting such a giant shadow.

    Plus we also found out that Torre was unwilling to confront Jeter about working on his declining defense, despite giving Cash assurances to the contrary.

    I only wish Torre had been fired after the 2004 ALCS collapse.

  91. Nick in SF March 22nd, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    The place I’m from is New York.

  92. igotid88 March 22nd, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    Hughes should be the 5th starter. Joba will get a lot of innings this year coming in from the bullpen. Because they’ll probably take Hughes out by the 5th inning. Whether he’s pitching well or not. AJ is going to have at least 5 starts where he won’t get passed the 3rd. These things work themselves out.

  93. Tarheelyank March 22nd, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    Careful LGY I think Pat M is The Good. That means Randy and GB have to fight over BAD and Ugly. :D

  94. Phil the Thrill March 22nd, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    Just got a big AVG blocked item when I refreshed here. Run your AVG or your Malwarebytes or whatever you have.

  95. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    Blake, so true. Look at how confident Phil is with the change-up. He’s throwing it even though Joe said he didn’t have to. He’s throwing it in counts he’d never ordinarily think of throwing it…and he’s getting good results. As recently as last year, Phil said he was uncomfortable with the pitch. I think the confidence he gained last year has carried over to the point where he believes he can develop the change into a good pitch for him. It also helps that he’s stayed healthy…. Talent was never a question, but Phil for a long time was either injured or rehabbing.

  96. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    I don’t think there will be Hughes Rules to the extent that people think. Cash said this during the off-season, that Phil will not have severe innings restrictions.

    Ah Fran, so you did go out – good!

  97. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    LOL There is this one poster on NYYFans that hates Phil…now he’s saying his FB was awful today. Big deal – he didn’t have great command. This guy is also obsessed with velocity; I want Phil to win the job just to shut him up.

    I won’t predict wins, but I do predict that IF Phil gets the job, he will be a very good pitcher by the end of the year. The problem is, if he slumps, the media will harp on the fact that Joba is in the pen and they will wonder when the switch will be made. IMO, the Yankees need to make a choice and stick with it.

  98. randy l. March 22nd, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    tarheel yank-

    i think we’re more like the wild bunch.

    now that was a good movie.

  99. Fran (the original) and OPPC member March 22nd, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    Betsy,

    We did go and got back just as the skies opened up.

  100. m March 22nd, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    How often has Feinsand been wrong? Said he’d be shocked if Phil wasn’t named the 5th starter.

  101. Joe from Long Island March 22nd, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    My lovely LI cable provider (Cablevision) was down for a few hours tonight (I know, everyone missed me dearly….)

    Pat M. – I agree, Phil really seems to be putting it together. I read where some feel that his cutter is merely serviceable; it may improve over the course of the season. More importantly, he seems to have a pretty good changeup. I was always of the impression that a good FB and a good changeup were the two best pitches for a youngster. Your opinion?

    It looks like Thames has the job, based on his experience coming off the bench (learned skill, no?). However, I wouldn’t be surprised if, come late May, if he isn’t producing, and Golson or Winfree is at Scranton, that one of them gets the call.

    If I were going to bet, I’d bet some beers on Phil getting the No. 5 spot now, and Joba being unofficial No. 6 this year, and both in the rotation next year. Phil got it together, in large part, in the pen last year, now it’s Joba’s turn. He needs a year of pitching, and success doing it. That and talking to Prof. Rivera.

  102. Tarheelyank March 22nd, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Randy

    I am going to have to rent it. It’s been so long I don’t remember it.

  103. Joe from Long Island March 22nd, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    Rich in NJ – I couldn’t agree with you more (9:50 comment).

  104. randy l. March 22nd, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    “… the word was that players felt uncomfortable in the Yankees’ clubhouse because the specter of the four rings was casting such a giant shadow.”

    i could see that would be a problem if the yankees were trying to get hobbits to play for them, but i think sabathia cared more about the 161 million the yankees dangled in front of him.

  105. randy l. March 22nd, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    tarheel yank-

    it was a sam peckinpah western.

    gb7 must have seen it.

    pretty intense movie.

  106. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter March 22nd, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    new thread :arrow:

  107. pistol pete March 22nd, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    We’re going to need a lot of long relief early, always do, especially since Burnett can’t get out of his own way. Ship one of Joba or Phil to Scranton, keep Mitre, Gaudin, and Aceves for long relief. Joba or Phil will be up once Girardi sees which of the group pitches well enough to stay.

  108. ortforshort March 23rd, 2010 at 12:44 am

    That Hoffman deal was a farce from Day 1. At least they admitted early on getting him was a mistake and moved on. Bruney probably wasn’t going to command the callibre of outfielder the Yankees need, anyway.

  109. smurfy March 23rd, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Really enjoyed Monday’s game against the Phillies.

    The Phillies glowed in red. Sun was warm, or my TV out of tune.

    Burnett was flaky, sometimes painting the black, in the first, sometimes laying a very pretty egg, guess they were fastballs. Some pitch he’s got really scoots right; must be the changeup, never could remember to look up at the speed – hey, somebody tell ‘em to slow that down.

    Hamels, also, threw some nice pitches, but several others were rattling around behind the fielders. Glad to see Ramiro Pena with a couple right-handed hits, one with authority. That one Jayson Werth misplayed into a triple, doing his impression of chasing the chicken around the barnyard.

    They were mostly major leaguers; Tex was beating it right-handed – would have had two homers against Hamels if it wasn’t for the wind. But Kevin Russo made a fine stop, and smashed a couple, and Eduardo Nunez made a couple fine plays, and hit one over their heads at a timely time.

    And Phil, he came in a little late in the fifth, looked like he said a little prayer, or adjusted his shoelace, and the first pitch was knocked out to his utter shock, and his next was also banged to the wall, one foot from a homer, where Gardner snagged it. You know, in all these spring games, the ball gets past the outfield more often, doesn’t it?

    Phil settled in, put them down in the sixth, finishing with a painted curveball, most pretty. Nice command of a high, outside corner hard one, to strike out Ibanez swinging in the seventh.

    A bald eagle left his perch somewhere behind the scoreboard, and after a few strokes, shook the stiffness from his shoulders with a shudder, then flew fluidly away. That was neat – don’t get to see that often. Wonder who cued the cameraman, had it framed, zoomed beautifully.

    I probably wouldn’t have noticed if I had the sound on. Sorry, but Ken puts me to sleep.

    Ryan Howard is fighting the shift: hit at least three to left, one through a vacated third base position. And the wind was blowing out to right, in against left.

    Phil blew away the first two in the ninth, first with a changeup had him swinging through it, then a smokin’ fastball down the pipe. Had it knocked, then Dobbs knocked one off the wall in right, and Valdez lined one over the left field wall. Ptooie, eh. Entertaining game.

  110. Georgia March 23rd, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    I sure wish we had Halliday instead of Burnett. I’ll be glad when Burnett proves he was such a great buy.

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