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Spring Training Game 20: Yankees at Phillies

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 22, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

YANKEES
Brett Gardner LF
Curtis Granderson CF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Nick Swisher RF
Francisco Cervelli C
Ramiro Pena SS
Kevin Russo 3B
Eduardo Nunez 2B
A.J. Burnett P

RHP A.J. Burnett

PHILLIES
Jimmy Rollins SS
Placido Polanco 3B
Chase Utley 2B
Ryan Howard 1B
Jayson Werth CF
Raul Ibanez LF
Ben Francisco RF
Dane Sardinha C
Cole Hamels P

LHP Cole Hamels

TIME/TV: 1:05 p.m./ESPN

WEATHER: Bright and sunny. Temperatures in the upper 60s

UMPIRES: HP Chad Fairchild, 1B Jerry Crawford, 2B Marty Foster (welcome back), 3B Andy Fletcher

ON THE LINE: Phil Hughes is pitching out of the bullpen, still trying to make his case for the fifth spot in the rotation. Joe Girardi said there’s nothing to read into the fact Hughes is pitching in the big league game and Joba Chamberlain was chosen to pitch an intrasquad game. They simply bumped yesterday’s pitchers to today.

UPDATE, 1:30 p.m.: Just got to Clearwater in time to hear that Rule 5 pick Jamie Hoffmann has cleared waivers and been returned to the Dodgers.

UPDATE, 1:35 p.m.: Right now it’s 5-1 Phillies in the bottom of the first. Placido Polanco hit a to-run home run, then Dane Sardinha had a two-out, three-run double. I haven’t seen a lot of Burnett today, but he’s been all over the place from what I’ve seen. Looks like getting Phil Hughes enough innings won’t be an issue.

UPDATE, 1:39 p.m.: Playing off the bench today: C P.J. Pilittere, 1B Juan Miranda, SS Reegie Corona, 3B Jorge Vazquez, CF Greg Golson, RF David Winfree.

No backup second baseman listed. Hoffmann was on the list this morning for left field, but obviously that won’t happen. Jose Gil, Brandon Laird and Jon Weber also made the trip.

Available to pitch: Phil Hughes (obviously), Jonathan Albaladejo, Amaury Sanit, Royce Ring and Zack Segovia.

UPDATE, 2:25 p.m.: That’s two drives to left field for Kevin Russo today. The first was caught at the track — nice running grab — and the second was hit into the corner for an RBI double, scoring Ramiro Pena who had tripled. It’s now 5-3 Phillies with Russo and Pena both hitting pretty well.

UPDATE, 2:26 p.m.: Make that 5-4 Phillies. RBI double by Eduardo Nunez.

UPDATE, 2:30 p.m.: Sac bunt by Burnett and a sac fly by Gardner have tied the game at 5.

UPDATE, 2:33 p.m.: Two-run homer by Teixeira. The Yankees are officially teeing off on Hamels this inning.

UPDATE, 2:56 p.m.: Royce Ring came in to face lefty Raul Ibanez and got a popup. Now Hughes is coming in with one out in the fifth. One other change: Kevin Russo has moved from third to second, with Jorge Vazquez now playing third.

 
 

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505 Responses to “Spring Training Game 20: Yankees at Phillies”

  1. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 22nd, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    In his brief minor league career Joba’s GB% was 53.8%

    In 2008 his GB% was right in line with that at 52%

    Last year his GB% significantly reduced to %42.9

    Without watching the game that he is inducing ground balls
    seems to be a good sign.

  2. MTU (aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Increasing GB rates from Joba indicate either incresed use of a 2 seam FB, increased life on his 4-seamer, or both.

  3. blake March 22nd, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Brandon,
    You can believe that if you want but don’t be disappointed when it doesn’t happen.

  4. m March 22nd, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Kruk getting his moment in the sun. The booth? Not so much. :P

  5. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 22nd, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Until Brandon posts something other than ST stats there is not much merit to his position anyway.

  6. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Blake, I’ll buy you some tissues when Winn is released.

  7. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    Joe from Long Island
    March 22nd, 2010 at 12:50 pm
    GB – ah yes, Moschitto, Repoz, Steve Whitaker – brings back memories of the mid-to-late 60s. I remember Jerry Kinney came up about the same time as Bobby Murcer. I remember one year, 1970?, when Murcer started off the season torrid, then got hurt around Memorial Day, cooled off dramatically after that. Charlie Spikes and Rusty Torres were going to be the next great things….The glory days of CBS ownership….It was a hard time to be a Yankee fan.

    ————————————————————

    Yep…Roy White came up with that same group. He was going to replace Bobby Richardson at 2nd base and Murcer was going to be the shortstop, but, Houk moved him to third base. Murcer always joked about how he knew that he wasn’t long for third base when the fans behind first base would put on batting helmets and yell, “Look out. He’s got it again.” Murcer was a treasure. He learned a lot from Mantle about not taking himself too seriously. Same self-deprecating sense of humor.

    Joe, you’re right. It was a tough time to be a Yankee fan, but, you just couldn’t switch to another team. It’s always been a team that gets into your soul. I’m from Michigan, so, it must have been even moreso for NY natives.

  8. blake March 22nd, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    MTU, you know I’m pro-Joba but it also could mean he was pitching against minor leaguers. Sounds like two positive outings in a row for Joba which is great news.

  9. Erin March 22nd, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    I bet one of the umps will be Marty Foster ;)

  10. Joe from Long Island March 22nd, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    One final story before I get to work –

    Murcer said that when he first came up, in ST, the vets rode him mercilessly, like they did to all rookies. Murcer, knowing his place, took it without saying a word, and tried to go along, just doing his job and smiling. Finally, one day, Mantle came up and put his arm around Bobby’s shoulder and went with him onto the field. From that day on, the vets laid off of Bobby. If Mickey said the kid was ok, that was it.

  11. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    He was #2 w/ Cliff Lee on the staff.

  12. Tarheelyank March 22nd, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    “Until Brandon posts something other than ST stats there is not much merit to his position anyway.”

    Not that I agree with Brandon, but all he has to do is post last years stats. Winn didn’t exactly light it up, did he?

  13. MTU (aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Blake-

    “MTU, you know I’m pro-Joba but it also could mean he was pitching against minor leaguers. Sounds like two positive outings in a row for Joba which is great news”

    Of course. I understand that. I was merely commenting on the possibility of better stuff than we may have seen in a while.

    I really have no idea were this is going.

    I root for Phil. I root for Joba.

    I root for the Yankees to be GBU along with me.

    And to have a development plane which will lead to both becoming starters and reaching their full potential.:)

  14. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Granderson baby!

  15. MTU (aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    That’s Plan not plane. No team has a development plane.

  16. iiicollies March 22nd, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Can’t seem to get the gameday link working. I’m trying

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....b_nyamlb_1

  17. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    kruk in rare hotdog mouth midseason form

  18. Jim The VT Yankeefan March 22nd, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    ESPN has a great field mic for this game. Great sound when bat meets ball.

  19. RayVT March 22nd, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    MTU (aka GBURL)
    March 22nd, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Could be the changeup as well.

  20. randy l. March 22nd, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    granderson sure looked good on that swing against a good lefty.

  21. tampayank March 22nd, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Grandy

  22. antisocial scrooge March 22nd, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    http://espn.go.com/broadband/e.....=undefined

    watch online, us only.

  23. teddy gbu March 22nd, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    nice curtis, not that in the matters but should been a ht for brett

  24. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    “Not that I agree with Brandon, but all he has to do is post last years stats. Winn didn’t exactly light it up, did he?”

    I did that before, ppl brought up the 2008 stats, again 36 not 26.

  25. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 22nd, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    Tarheel,

    I looked at little deeper at Winn’s slash line last year and think there are several indications that point to a bounce back year. His line is very misleading. I posted it yesterday. I will re-post it if you would like.

  26. randy l. March 22nd, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    “That’s Plan not plane. No team has a development plane.”

    the red sox do.

    they are ahead of everyone.

    they even discovered that defense matters this past winter.

  27. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Gardner did what he needs to do. Beat the ball into the ground and Run like Hell. Granderson drills a gapper into left center. Teixeira bloops a hit into center.

  28. Tom B - March 22nd, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Tarheel – never, ever look at one seasons worth of stats.

  29. iiicollies March 22nd, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    working now, I switched the teams

  30. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Cervelli grounds into a double play after Swish pops out being aggressive first pitch

  31. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Interesting thing here with Cervelli batting 5th today.

  32. stuckey March 22nd, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Now bear in mind I don’t put any stock in ST numbers and don’t put much stock in ML offensive numbers until after Mother’s Day, but it isn’t exactly like Gardner has squandered the faith placed in him so far…

  33. MTU (aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Randy-

    yeah. You’re right. I should have known. Epstein translates to Einstein. Silly me. Silly, silly me.

  34. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    The age doesn’t matter. Ghats a cop out.

    He had a bad year last year.

    He has however been a solid ML player for a lot of years.

    You don’t decide he’s done to keep a guy over 12 ST AB’s. That’s just dumb.

  35. blake March 22nd, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    MTU,
    They actually had a development plane but made the mistake of parking it too close to the stadium and Montero busted all the windows.

  36. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 22nd, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Winn did not even have a bad year last year.

    He had a bad year against LHP.

  37. MTU (aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Ray-

    “Could be the changeup as well.”

    The way things are going anything could be anything. Almost. :)

  38. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 22nd, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    And not even necessarily a bad year against LHP but an incredibly unlucky year against LHP.

  39. Mike March 22nd, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Jimmy Rollins always gets up to play us…

  40. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Burnett left that one up in Polanco’s eyes.

  41. teddy gbu March 22nd, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    rollins didn’t hit in ws.

    anything in rf gotta fly

  42. MTU (aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Blake-
    “They actually had a development plane but made the mistake of parking it too close to the stadium and Montero busted all the windows.”

    “I just try to hit the ball hard.”

    That just proves it ! :)

  43. timo March 22nd, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    I’m glad Polanco is not on the Tigers anymore.

  44. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    LMAO. Burnett knows that wasn’t caught because of skill. Only self protection.

  45. Tarheelyank March 22nd, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    LGY, Tom

    I don’t want to take up Brandon’s argument, which I don’t agree with anyway. It was the point of using ST stats to back up his position. He would have been better served using last year’s stats, which he say’s he already has anyway.

    LGY
    LOL,I just read your comment from last thread re: th brothers.

  46. MTU (aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    Blake-

    I gotta run.

    I’ll catch up on the 5th starter Chronicles later. :)

  47. vtred March 22nd, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    Polonco is a nice upgrade over Feliz for them

  48. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    who’s the ump behind the plate?

  49. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 22nd, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Brandon,

    How do you reconcile Winn’s BABIP vs LHP last year as compared to his career BABIP vs LHP.

  50. Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    pcaldera

    Jaime Hoffmann just cleared waivers, was returned to LA Dodgers (Rule 5 pick)

  51. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Hughes is gonna get 5 or 6 IP at this rate

  52. Coach6423 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    chad just tweeted, hoffman was returned to the dodgers…

  53. RayVT March 22nd, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    MTU (aka GBURL)
    March 22nd, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Very true. Just the fact Joba or Phil show a changeup could easily induce more ground balls. Most good to great hitters watch the spin closely and the zone of the pitch to decide what it is, but they can’t pick up the speed as quickly, which tends to result in a ground ball or a swing and a miss.

  54. Chad Jennings March 22nd, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    You guys are already all over it. Hoffmann returned to the Dodgers after clearing waivers this afternoon.

  55. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    cya hoff

  56. Pat M. March 22nd, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    Rick Sutcliff is still an idiot,,,,

  57. tex's friend March 22nd, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    guess hoffman is out of the outfield running.

  58. Bako March 22nd, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    Winn is 36 – how many 35 yrs old have bad years and then bounce back at age 36?

    Winn is cooked. Guys at his age don’t have ‘down’ years after extremely consistent careers. They are done.

  59. SportsGeek March 22nd, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    There was a note in a recent post about the duration of games (minutes), and how Commissioner Selig’s special committee
    has “encouraged” the Yankees, Red Sox, and Dodgers to cut down the length of their games. I don’t know how those teams have responded to the Commissioner, but I suspect it was a mix of 1) “When we get a lot of hits and score a lot of runs, the games are going to be longer.”, and 2) “Yes, Commish, we will try to do what we can, as long as we don’t have to change our competitiveness.”

    I decided to see if I could figure out statistically what factors have the most impact on the
    length of games. Some factors have been mentioned, and readers of LoHud can certainly make their own list of key factors. My list includes- Runs scored, Batters faced, Hits, Walks, Strike Outs, Pitches thrown, Innings, Pitching changes (mid-inning ones especially). Of course, “Time between pitches”,
    and “trips to the mound” also have an impact, but it’s very hard to get the raw data to analyze these two factors.

    Note- very important- all of these stats have to be compiled for both teams in each game.

    Well, I just have a preliminary analysis so far- with some interesting
    preliminary results. First off, in 2009, these three teams’ average games were 3:11, 3:08, and 3:06 respectively
    (including extra-inning games. Source:game logs at baseball-reference.com). These numbers are slightly higher than the numbers in the March 19 article by Ben Walker of the AP, which showed 3:08, 3:04, and 3:02. The shortest average games
    are by the White Sox, Mariners, and Cardinals, at 2:46, 2:46, and 2:48 respectively.

    When analyzing the data, I have found that “Pitches thrown” is the most significant individual factor
    in estimating game length- it explains almost 79% of the variation in game length. An estimate using only that factor,
    estimates that Yankees games in 2009 should have lasted 3:02.5 minutes, Red Sox- 3:03.8, and Dodgers- 3:01.4. The estimates for the White Sox, Mariners, and Cardinals were 2:50.2, 2:51.1, and 2:42.3.

    Note that this estimation model has the greatest average errors for the four teams with the longest games and the four with the shortest games (mean=5.06 minutes), while the average error for the 22 teams in the middle

    is just 2.15 minutes.

    So, the Yankees games are taking just 5.5 minutes longer than the estimate from this simple model. I don’t think the commissioner would suggest that the Yankees throw less pitches, or that batters should swing at first or second pitches.

    I have tried to estimate some multi-variable models. But, all the ones I have tried so far have problems- they have “statistical shortcomings”. I am trying to find or create a more complete dataset which would enable me to extend the analysis further.

  60. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    Cervelli let that pitch get past him. It wasn’t tha bad. Just an optical illusion.

  61. RayVT March 22nd, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    Coach6423
    March 22nd, 2010 at 1:27 pm
    chad just tweeted, hoffman was returned to the dodgers…

    I am disappointed that Hoffmann is gone. I really liked his upside. That said, Golson and Curtis have looked very good.

  62. Yankz1 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Hey Chad….Who is coming off the bench today? Do you know?

  63. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    LGY, I haven’t checked that, I’ll check the fangraph things later. Lately I’m just looking at his ABs and how old he’s playing out there, and how he really isn’t pushing Gardner. But I’m in no way saying cut him, I was stating how we demoted ppl hitting better than him. I do know by June he won’t be here. No offense but Randy Winn to me off last yr. and what I’m seeing is no secret weapon.

  64. blake March 22nd, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    I guess Thames it is then. I’m a bit surprised by that but I assume they figured that they already have Winn and Gardner to do the things Hoffman can do and opted for righty pop of the bench.

  65. Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    AJ may be going through a dead arm period.

  66. Jay March 22nd, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Nice… with Hoffman gone, that gives Golson, Curtis, and Russo the chance to claim the 5th OF job.

  67. Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    “Rick Sutcliff is still an idiot,,,,”

    Post of the day (at least to this point).

  68. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Nobody cares about Selig’s edict or reading a wall of text.

  69. tex's friend March 22nd, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    didnt papelbon get reprimanded last year for taking too long between pitches? that makes a little more sense between pitches, but to try to say to cut down game time is stupid. maybe we need a ten run rule too?

  70. rconn23 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    A.J. is just throwing batting practice fastballs today.

    Barley a hint of a curveball.

  71. Tiny Tim March 22nd, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    I can’t even imagine Montero catching AJ. That is going to be a disastrous sight.

  72. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    “I am disappointed that Hoffmann is gone. I really liked his upside. That said, Golson and Curtis have looked very good.”

    Hopefully that opens up a spot for Colin or Greg, now we need to figure out a taker for Winn.

  73. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 22nd, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Brandon,

    Have you even looked at just his baseline splits last year vs RHP and LHP?

  74. tex's friend March 22nd, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    well i hope aj isn’t dead-arming. if so, hughes AND joba may be starting the year in the rotation.

  75. blake March 22nd, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    Pat M,
    Bless his heart I’m sure he’s a nice guy and was pretty darn good pitcher but he’s just a dreadful broadcaster.

  76. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    AJ has had a lousy spring and I guess it’s continuing; what with the weather and all, he’s just had no chance to get in a rhythm. I would assume he’d get off to a slow start this season. Last year, his FB was popping from the very beginning, but then again, last year he wasn’t working on his change.

    I guess the Yankees saw absolutely nothing from Hoffman that they liked; if they had, they would have worked something out with the Dodgers.

  77. Pat M. March 22nd, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    AJ is living up in the zone in that 1st inning, and it’s costing him….

  78. Yankz1 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Curtis has already been sent down.

  79. RayVT March 22nd, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    I long for the day of a real commisioner! MLB’s commish is a joke!!

  80. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Hoffmann showed nothing at a time that he couldn’t afford to look bad. He didn’t look good on defense, either, and that was supposed to be his long suit. Golson and Winfree have been much better.

  81. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Russo hasn’t played the OF, and Curtis was sent down. Neither is in the mix for the job.

  82. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    AJs fastball looked good, he just located it into the heart of the plate, tee level.

  83. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    LGY I haven’t checked the fangraphs yet.

  84. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    I don’t think it’s a dead arm period – he hasn’t been able to work on his FB except in side sessions. I hope he’s ok……

  85. Mr. Foster March 22nd, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Now Betsy won’t have to worry about Hughes getting innings. Instead, she’ll be worrying about Burnett getting slammed.

  86. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 22nd, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    It is not fangraphs. You can find LH and RH on any almost any sports related website on the internet. ESPN, Yahoo, MLB.com, etc. BABIP is on fangraphs.

    Both of these things are very basic statistics.

  87. Chad Jennings March 22nd, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Just updated with the bench players for today’s game. Jamie Hoffmann was originally on the list. Obviously that’s a late scratch.

  88. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    nice job Nino, last yr. you K against Hamels fromthe right side.

  89. Yankz1 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    Watch out for Jorge Vazquez to get the 25th spot. He has major power from the right side and can play corner inf. Plus the Yanks save a million plus getting rid of Thames who has shown absolutely nothing in camp. If he was making good contact thats one thing, but he has looked terrible.

  90. ADam March 22nd, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    Maybe Phil will be in by the third…

  91. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 22nd, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    BABIP is on *baseball reference* not fangraphs.

  92. Erica - always OPPC - member of the GOTFG - GTLU supporter March 22nd, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    tex’s friend
    March 22nd, 2010 at 1:33 pm
    didnt papelbon get reprimanded last year for taking too long between pitches? that makes a little more sense between pitches, but to try to say to cut down game time is stupid. maybe we need a ten run rule too?
    *************

    He got reprimanded again this year, I believe

  93. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    AJ’s not throwing curves is not a surprise as he wanted to get his FB back, and it usually comes around quickly for him, but ouch – he’s just looked so bad. Is he going to be ready to pitch 5/6 innings when the season starts? Will the Yanks have enough pitchers for today, lol?

  94. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    I’m guessing that it’s between carrying two extra infielders or two extra outfielders.

  95. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Russo just unloaded on Hamels and Ibanez tracked it down.

  96. Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    They really need to let Russo play the OF…now.

  97. Rich on the 6 train March 22nd, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    last I checked it was March. Give AJ a break. He is not fighting for spot number 5. He also has only had a few live game experiences this spring.
    We also do not know if he was told to use other pitches no matter the consequence.

    No surprise with Hoffman. Just a disappointment getting nothing for Bruney.

  98. Frank March 22nd, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    It would seem Winn is pretty locked in as the 4th OF. Presumedly a 5th outfielder spot left and the most likely candidates would seem to be Thames or Golson. My money is on Thames for the 1st month or two anyway.

  99. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    For every one Rule 5 guys that make it, 10 don’t.

    Folks got too crazy over Hoffman before even seeing him play.

    His swing is way too flawed to be a consistent major league hitter.

  100. Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    “Folks got too crazy over Hoffman before even seeing him play.”

    No, it’s just that Thames has looked done (and yes, ST matters for marginal guys).

  101. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    LGY you asked me first about his BABIP. BTW I always use FG for the players. I haven’t checked anything other than Winn not having a good 2009.

    Again like someone said before me, he’s 36 not 26 coming off a down yr. ain’t much to check there.

  102. tex's friend March 22nd, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    i agree russo needs to be on this team. he is better than thames. teach him a little outfield and get him out there.

  103. RayVT March 22nd, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Brandon Awesome (B/c I’m more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz)
    March 22nd, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    LOL! Curtis, Golson & Weber have all looked pretty good. I believe Winn will be with Yanks all year and will start quite a few games. Golson may be the pick over Thames, but probably not. Golson is much older than Curtis & Weber. It is going to be interesting.

    Don’t dismiss Winn quite so quickly. You may be right, but I don’t think so. He played on an extremely weak hitting team last year with the Giants. He didn’t see a lot of good pitches and I’m sure he tried to do more than normal being the weak hitting team coupled with last yr being his FA year. Winn’s bat speed seems to be okay and his batting eye too this spring. I like his chances to do well. I believe for Curtis or Weber to come up in would be as a replacement for Gardner, not Winn.

  104. Paul March 22nd, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Going to be painful watching Thames/Winn against Papelbon flailing away at 96 MPH fastballs when they pinch hit for Gardner….

  105. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Thames has a track record of hitting ML pitching. Especially lefties. Hoffman does not.

    Not hitting in ST hurts the guy with no track record much more than a veteran player.

  106. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Rich 6, relax, won’t you? I’m just making some comments -feel free to ignore them. I’m not worried, but if you think I am, ok.

  107. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Why would the Yankees pinch hit Thames vs Papelbon? Thats a mismatch. Not to mention Gardner already has a walk off vs Papelbon.

    That gives him +10 in future encounters.

  108. Chris March 22nd, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    According to mlbtraderumors we have returned Hoffman back…So basically we traded Bruney, got nothing in return and spent an additional 25k??? Wow what a waiste!!!!!!!!

  109. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Rich, it doesn’t count to me. I’m perfectly fine giving Thames a chance to hit in the regular season – this is not some scrub or a Hoffman-type player.

  110. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 22nd, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    “Again like someone said before me, he’s 36 not 26 coming off a down yr. ain’t much to check there.”

    ——————————–

    You are saying there is not much to check there but really you have no idea because you have not looked past a few ST at bats and his triple slash line last year. There is actually a lot to check out in Winn’s case.

    His age did not stop him from hitting .292 against RHP last year. And 80% of his PA’s were against RHP.

    So is he just done from the left side of the plate?

  111. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Russo would have to go down to AAA to learn how to play the OF. He only has 7 gms. of experience there.

  112. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 22nd, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    *right* side of the plate.

  113. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Brandon,

    the age is a cop out excuse.

    20 ST AB’s with a veteran player gives you no indication he’s done.

    Nor does 12 AB’s from a AAA OF can tell you if he can hit ML pitching.

  114. Frank March 22nd, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    “i agree russo needs to be on this team.”

    Needs? I’ll respectfully disagree. This team’s fortunes will not hinge on a utility infielder/backup outfielder. That said, he’s got a bat that could one day help this team. There’s little to no future here for him as an infielder, so it would be interesting to see whether the Yankees decide on getting him a lot of play in the SWB outfield this season.

  115. Rich on the 6 train March 22nd, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    I am very relaxed.
    At least over this stuff.
    Wish I could watch the game.

  116. Nick in SF March 22nd, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    I guess Bruneylessness is its own reward now.

    So according to LoHud prognostications, Winn is going to be 1) gone by June or 2) the starting LF by June. That’s a high level of Prediction Variance.
    Hey, wasn’t Low Bapip part of the trade for Chris Chambliss?

  117. Paul March 22nd, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Russo has done nothing to lose his spot. Pena is hitting .241 this spring. Russo is hitting almost .400

  118. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Chris
    March 22nd, 2010 at 1:46 pm
    According to mlbtraderumors we have returned Hoffman back…So basically we traded Bruney, got nothing in return and spent an additional 25k??? Wow what a waiste!!!!!!!!

    ————————————————————

    NYY didn’t pay the waiver cost for Hoffmann. Washington did.

  119. Banks March 22nd, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Sutcliffe sauys Hughes has a chance to be really really good and Joba has the mentality to be a special reliever.

  120. Frank March 22nd, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    “Going to be painful watching Thames/Winn against Papelbon flailing away at 96 MPH fastballs when they pinch hit for Gardner….”

    Probably would be. On the other hand, Thames might work out pretty well when it’s a Mike Gonzalez or Brian Fuentes on the bump.

  121. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    The 25th man on the roster is not going to be a difference maker spot on the roster.

    Folks get too emotional over ST results.

  122. Rich on the 6 train March 22nd, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    To me it would be Gloson vs. Thames.
    Experience/ power vs. contact/ speed.
    Probably a whole lot of other things.

  123. Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    SJ

    “Thames has a track record of hitting ML pitching.
    specially lefties. Hoffman does not.”

    “The 25th man on the roster is not going to be a difference maker spot on the roster.”

    That’s why I would be willing to take a risk and opt for a player with some upside.

  124. SportsGeek March 22nd, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    GB7… thanks for the kind comment… Sheesh!!.. (words stated under breath…)

  125. Nick in SF March 22nd, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    “Wow what a waiste!!!!!!!! ”

    Wait’ll you get a load of CC!

  126. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Paul
    March 22nd, 2010 at 1:50 pm
    Russo has done nothing to lose his spot. Pena is hitting .241 this spring. Russo is hitting almost .400

    ————————————————————

    Russo didn’t have a spot. It was Pena’s and, he did his job well last year. He’s done nothing wrong to lose his spot this spring.

  127. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    It’s not about BA. If you are going to be the utility infielder, you have to be able to play SS.

    That’s Russo’s weakness. He’s not a SS. Pena is, which is why he has the advantage.

  128. stuckey March 22nd, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Betsy, it’s pitch count, not innings.

  129. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    SportsGeek, I read your post once I converted each line into a separate rotofeed and then collated them back into a paragraph in my spreadsheets, and I think your findings are worthwhile.

  130. Billy March 22nd, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    “Golson is much older than Curtis & Weber. It is going to be interesting.”

    Last time I checked Curtis and Golson are both 25 and Weber is 32.

  131. randy l. March 22nd, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    “I can’t even imagine Montero catching AJ. That is going to be a disastrous sight.”

    yeah, for red sox fans.

    they are going to be really ticked off when he knocks down their wall like a big domino .

    kaboom :)

  132. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Hoffman has no upside. He can’t hit and his D was shaky in the short sample we saw in Tampa.

    Goldton v. Thames is a more reasonable discussion.

  133. Lance March 22nd, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Jeter/A-Rod/Cano all play 155 games.

    The utility INF will rarely play and will be mostly a pinch runner. Pena plays great defense, especially at SS… thats why he will make the team.

  134. William Buckner March 22nd, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    “It’s not about BA. If you are going to be the utility infielder, you have to be able to play SS.

    That’s Russo’s weakness. He’s not a SS. Pena is, which is why he has the advantage.”

    Take it one step further, it’s about playing multiple positions. I’d say the 2nd skill set would be speed. Right now a Yankee utility guy is not a bat, they’re a glove with legs.

  135. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Lance March 22nd, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Jeter/A-Rod/Cano all play 155 games.

    The utility INF will rarely play and will be mostly a pinch runner. Pena plays great defense, especially at SS… thats why he will make the team.

    Cano can, Jeter and Rod won’t.

  136. CR9 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....aJ12Fd9TrM

    Booooo JD!

  137. vtred March 22nd, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Russo has to get better at SS if he wants to be the utility INF.

  138. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    That 2-1 pitch was not a strike.

  139. Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    “Hoffman has no upside. He can’t hit and his D was shaky in the short sample we saw in Tampa.”

    So the Yankees made a mistake by taking him in the Rule 5?

    “Goldton v. Thames is a more reasonable discussion.”

    Fine, make it Golson. Thames has not done anything to win a job.

  140. randy l. March 22nd, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    “Folks get too emotional over ST results.”

    do ya think?

    all i know is everyone is healthy and that’s a huge plus going in to the season.

  141. William Buckner March 22nd, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    2010 Webber = 2009 John Rodriguez

  142. m1kew March 22nd, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    Chad – do you think the Yankees could carry Pena and Russo on their 25 man roster and drop Thames? They would have four pretty solid outfielders in Gardner, Granderson, Swisher and Winn. I think Pena and Russo could back that four up in the outfield and give the Yankees more flexibility in the infield. Thames has not looked very good in the field and he’s not on a guaranteed contract. Russo may not be a power bat but it looks like (including last year in AAA) his bat is for real and he can help this team off the bench more than Thames.

  143. Billy March 22nd, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    The Yankees need Russo to go down to SWB to play a lot in the outfield and IF. His bat has huge potential but he needs to be able to stay healthy and get experience.

  144. KWAN March 22nd, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Golson is too similar to Gardner. We need a guy with some punch on the bench.

    We already have 3 slap hitters in Garnder/Winn/Cervelli.

  145. jram March 22nd, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    should have picked kroenke. I think teixiera might be on his way back from seattle

  146. NITRO March 22nd, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Werth’s beard is so awesome.

    How come no one on our team grows a beard like that?

  147. CR9 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Nitro

    Because the Yankees go about their business with professionalism.

  148. ADam March 22nd, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Man. I’d love to see Colin Curtis make the team, maybe in may hell be up..

  149. Frank March 22nd, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    “The 25th man on the roster is not going to be a difference maker spot on the roster.”

    That’s why I would be willing to take a risk and opt for a player with some upside.”

    How then does the player realize his upside? Appearing late in a game 6-7 times a month?

  150. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    NITRO March 22nd, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Werth’s beard is so awesome.

    How come no one on our team grows a beard like that?

    TRADITION

  151. Chris March 22nd, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    NITRO
    March 22nd, 2010 at 2:02 pm
    Werth’s beard is so awesome.

    How come no one on our team grows a beard like that?

    I hope this is sarcasm…If your a real Yankee fan I imagine you know the answer.

  152. SportsGeek March 22nd, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Thanks Jerkface.. I typed the post in an editor, and then cut & pasted. I didn’t realize the line-feeds were so messed up.

    I do think it’s interesting how significant the “plain old” pitch count is in affecting the length of games.

  153. GGBG (50 SBs for me!) March 22nd, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    The idea that both Joba and Phil would be in the rotation at the expense of AJ made me snort soda out my nose.

  154. Yanks 97 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Russo’s best value = Trade bait.

    If Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson can be traded for Victor Martinez, why can’t Russo be package with a decent player for something good?

  155. tex's friend March 22nd, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    it wasnt at the expense of AJ. It was if AJ is hurt. There is a difference. Obviously no one thinks AJ will lose a spot to the loser of the 5th spot in the rotation.

  156. Billy March 22nd, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    I saw Curtis in the Fall League and could not believe his bat speed but he needs at bats. Can’t wait to see what he does down there. He is a great guy and a fighter and he will get his shot if he keeps up the same approach.

  157. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Sounds like they want a power RH bat on the bench.

    Thames has more power than Golston. Unless they bring in another RH, seems he has the edge.

    Rule 5 guys are what they are. You take a shot and see what happens. It’s not a big deal if they don’t work out.

  158. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    I liked a lot of what both Golson and Winfree did this spring. With a load of consistant AAA at bats, they could both show why they were well though of.

  159. CR9 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    “If Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson can be traded for Victor Martinez, why can’t Russo be package with a decent player for something good?”

    Because we are not the Red Sox.

    You are right, Russo’s best value should be as trade bait.

  160. Frank March 22nd, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    “Russo has to get better at SS if he wants to be the utility INF.”

    Doubt his goal is to be a utility infielder. There’s probably half a dozen teams on which he could be the starting 2B right now. Including the one in Queens. I’d guess he aspires to be an everyday player and so far as a career with the Yankees goes, outfield is most likely avenue to that goal.

  161. Billy March 22nd, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Russo as trade bait? The Yankees have invested a ton of development time into Russo so I can’t see them trading him when they do not need to.

  162. Keep it March 22nd, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    If Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson can be traded for Victor Martinez, why can’t Russo be package with a decent player for something good?
    —————————————
    Depends on if a team is looking to dump salary. That’s the reason why Cleveland let go of Victor.

  163. Dave D. March 22nd, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Whose idea was it to allow Kruk to broadcast a game where the Phillies are playing?

  164. CR9 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Also, pitchers are a little more valuable than a utility guy.

  165. Rhino March 22nd, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Hagadone was a top prospect and Masterson is a very useful arm who had major league success.

    Not exactly the same as an unproven, middle-of-the-road prospect like Russo.

  166. Frank March 22nd, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    If Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson can be traded for Victor Martinez, why can’t Russo be package with a decent player for something good?

    When it comes time for team to dump some salary and that dump happens to fill a need for the Yankees, it could probably happen that way.

  167. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    KWAN
    March 22nd, 2010 at 2:01 pm
    Golson is too similar to Gardner. We need a guy with some punch on the bench.

    We already have 3 slap hitters in Garnder/Winn/Cervelli.

    ————————————————————

    Golson and Gardner are only similar because both of their last names begin wi the letter “G”.

  168. CB March 22nd, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    The 25th man on the roster is likely going to have one primary role in an ideal world.

    Man on first in the eigth at Fenway with the yankees down a run. Granderson is up, he’s been struggling against lefites and the Sox bring in Okajima. Or Gardner’s up and has been struggling with the bat overall.

    That’s what the 25th man’s role is largley going to be at least in theory.

    That’s why Hoffman was returned. Hoffman has a very long swing a significant hole inside. That problem could be exploited in a very methodical, systematic fashion by major league pitchers.

    Now Thames has been bad – but it looks like he fits the needs for a late inning pinch hitter more than Hoffman did.

    Thames very well may not fit that role either, but this might just be a roster spot where the yankees have a very sub-optimal guy manning the spot.

  169. CR9 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    Hagadone has already been deemed by the Indians organization to be nothing more than a bullpen guy.

  170. Y 27 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Can’t Russo be like Mark DeRosa?

    DeRosa has been really overrated and every team in baseball seems to try and acquire him because of his versatility and solid bat. Even we were interested in him this winter if he SF didn’t overpay for him.

  171. CR9 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    I was reading on some ESPN boards, a Red Sox fan was saying the Sox should have traded Ellsbury, Buchholz, and Kelly for Mauer.

    Other Sox fans on the board insulted the guy, saying that would be TOO MUCH for the Sox to give up. 2 major league starters and a 1 major league ready prospect.

    LOL

  172. Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    “Because we are not the Red Sox.”

    Nice.

  173. dan 771 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    “Hagadone has already been deemed by the Indians organization to be nothing more than a bullpen guy.”

    so why was he the centerpiece of the trade for their franchise catcher who was hitting .330 with 25+ HRs?

  174. Frank March 22nd, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    “Hagadone has already been deemed by the Indians organization to be nothing more than a bullpen guy.”

    Not yet he hasn’t. He’s basically in the same situation Andrew Brackman’s in. Maybe a little further ahead on the comeback trail.

  175. dee March 22nd, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    I’m watching the game, and I must say…it’s a shame that Kevin Russo doesn’t play the outfield. He swings the bat great.

  176. CR9 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Also, Buster Olney was on Colin Cowherd this morning and was discussing what a great deal the Twins got on the Mauer deal.

    He then spent 5 minutes talking about how great a fit Mauer would have been with the Red Sox, a LH hitting catcher in Fenway Park with all their money coming off the books, and that Mauer left 60 million dollars on the table from the Red Sox had he opted to wait for free agency.

    It was almost as if he was wistful.

  177. tex's friend March 22nd, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    I was reading on some ESPN boards, a Red Sox fan was saying the Sox should have traded Ellsbury, Buchholz, and Kelly for Mauer.

    Other Sox fans on the board insulted the guy, saying that would be TOO MUCH for the Sox to give up. 2 major league starters and a 1 major league ready prospect.

    ____

    HA. that is worse than some of the trades we see here.

    this is joe mauer.

  178. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Russo with a double down the line, his swing is really good.

  179. pat March 22nd, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Just put the game on….so AJ had a bad inning and Jorge wasn’t catching? :wink:

  180. tex's friend March 22nd, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    so why was he the centerpiece of the trade for their franchise catcher who was hitting .330 with 25+ HRs?

    ___

    because the indians suck? and that deal was hardly an even deal.

  181. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Go blind horse!

  182. CB March 22nd, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    “Can’t Russo be like Mark DeRosa?

    DeRosa has been really overrated and every team in baseball seems to try and acquire him because of his versatility and solid bat.”

    This is why it’s not a good idea to trade Russo unless it’s a very good deal.

    A guy like Russo isn’t going to have much value in a trade until he shows some level of success in the majors.

    For a guy like Russo, success in the minors only goes so far.

    On the flip side if he does have any success at the majors he’ll have very significant trade value.

    I personally wouldn’t trade him now – his utility value is greater than his trade value.

    They have to send him to AAA and get him reps in LF. What a swing. He is very, very short to the ball. He is going to hit major league pitching.

  183. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Nunez has a really quick bat. Song very good gap power for a little skinny guy.

  184. Billy March 22nd, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    It’s hard to take an every day players and expect them to be able to come through as a pinch hitter but Marcus Thames did that in Detroit. He’s had some big RBIs as a pinch hitter.

  185. Mark March 22nd, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    “I was reading on some ESPN boards, a Red Sox fan was saying the Sox should have traded Ellsbury, Buchholz, and Kelly for Mauer.”

    Not a terribly outrageous trade. That would be like us giving up:

    A-Jackson (before he was traded),
    Hughes or Joba
    Romine

    And actually, Montero would probably substitute for Romine because the Sox are giving up their top prospect (Kelly), even though Montero is much better than Kelly.

    But I would bet Yankee fans would think the above package, even with Romine, is way overpaying for 1 yr of Mauer + $180 million.

  186. Erin March 22nd, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    BryanHoch Girardi on fifth starter competition: “It seems like it gets muddled more every day.” 33 seconds ago

  187. rconn23 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    The Indians haven’t relegated Hagadone to a being a bullpen guy.

    He’s coming off Tommy John surgery and has a lot of upside.

  188. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    Take out his leg next time Eduardo.

  189. RalphieD (OPPC) March 22nd, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    its a good day for offense at clearwater…

  190. Keep it March 22nd, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    The Victor Martinez trade was a salary dump.

  191. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Curtis is looking good today

  192. Frank March 22nd, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    “so why was he the centerpiece of the trade for their franchise catcher who was hitting .330 with 25+ HRs?”

    Same reason the Yankees were able to obtain Bobby Abreu for a bag of shyte a few years back.

    Money, money, money……….MONEY!!!!

  193. CB March 22nd, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    I’ve watched Hagadone pitch on video. I was happy the red sox traded him.

    That was before Hadadone had TJ. But he had a huge arm from the left side and was already making very positive progress in game action back from TJ when that trade was made.

    Not saying the Indians got enough back for Martinez – but Hadadone has a very good arm.

  194. stuckey March 22nd, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    This obsession on how the baseball world and the media favors and Red Sox is really unbecoming.

  195. rconn23 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Tex just murdered that pitch.

  196. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    A Teixeira blast into the wind. Three really nice swings for him today.

  197. m March 22nd, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    lol. Only Jamie Moyer could fill up an inning this long.

    He’s putting me to sleep.

  198. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Tex also

  199. RalphieD (OPPC) March 22nd, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    hamels is pumping that 88 mph gas

  200. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    That’s messed up Nick, it’s ST.

  201. Keep it March 22nd, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    I bet Hamels now “Can’t wait for this Spring to be over…”

  202. Billy March 22nd, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    Russo does have a sweet swing. Based on Zobrist’s success as a super utility player, the Yankees will give him every chance in SWB to play all over the field. He’s got a great approach but injuries have derailed his progress.

  203. CB March 22nd, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    All spring long there’s been so much talk about the new Cole Hammels. More focused. Gotten over all those problems from the World Series both physically and mentally. Diversifying his arsenal of pitches.

    He hasn’t looked real good against the yankees. Not too much different than the series.

    Hammels still really doesn’t have a quality third pitch. He’s thrown a few cutters – none have looked all that great.

  204. tex's friend March 22nd, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    yankees and sox both get these deals because they can. but that doesnt make the acquisition of v-mart any less lopsided just because the yankees got it before too.

  205. tex's friend March 22nd, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    I bet Hamels now “Can’t wait for this Spring to be over…”

    ____

    I think everyone has figured cole hamels out.

    hope he keeps his feelings on how the season is going to himself though.

  206. Erin March 22nd, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    BryanHoch Girardi said Joba was up to 93-94 mph today, changeup better than earlier this spring 7 seconds ago

  207. RayVT March 22nd, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Billy
    March 22nd, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    My bad! I read my spreadsheet wrong! Golson is actually 24 and will be 25 on Sept 17th. Curtis is 25. Weber is 31, but I don’t know his B-day.

    Golson seems to be doing great with a bat! Now that I have it in my head, thanks to you, that he is 20 something it plays much better.

  208. Frank March 22nd, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    “yankees and sox both get these deals because they can. but that doesnt make the acquisition of v-mart any less lopsided just because the yankees got it before too.”

    Sure doesn’t. But it does make answers like “Because it’s Boston” look pretty dumb.

  209. Yanks Fan In Austin March 22nd, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    Does anyone else out there think that Swisher looks a little bit smaller this spring? Forgive me if this has been covered on here before.

  210. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    If he averaged 93-94, then I think there is hope that he will be 94-95 as the summer heats up.

  211. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    If he averaged 93-94, then I think there is hope that he will be 94-95 as the summer heats up.

  212. CR9 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    “Where does Nick Hagadone look to start out this season? I know he had Tommy John surgery after the 2008 season and was a big piece of the Victor Martinez trade. Also, does he look to be projected as a starter or in a relief/closing role?

    Hagadone figures to start the season at Class A Kinston, though I’d anticipate him rising to Double-A Akron fairly quick, if all goes to plan.

    For now, Hagadone, who went 0-3 with a 2.80 ERA in 17 starts at the Class A level last year, is a starter, but there is a chance he could transition to relief work at some point. A closer in college, he has the power stuff to be a potential asset in late-inning relief. In his Minor League career, he has a 2.74 strikeout-to-walk ratio and an average of 11.8 strikeouts per nine innings.

    Hagadone is a guy who could ascend to the bigs quickly, especially if he moves to a bullpen setting. ”

    Above is not the same thing as being deemed a reliever by the Indians organization, but I read about that somewhere online, and I now cannot seem to find that specific article/quote.

  213. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    So much for that vaunted Texas Ranger catching depth. They just picked up the legendary catcher Matt Treanor as the main backup..

  214. RalphieD (OPPC) March 22nd, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    “hamels is pumping that 88 mph gas”

    well apparently AJ is throwin 85mp fb’s so im guessing this gun is just messed up

  215. Erin March 22nd, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Yanks Fan In Austin
    March 22nd, 2010 at 2:35 pm
    Does anyone else out there think that Swisher looks a little bit smaller this spring? Forgive me if this has been covered on here before.

    *****************************
    I’ve noticed it too.

  216. Billy March 22nd, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    “Golson seems to be doing great with a bat! Now that I have it in my head, thanks to you, that he is 20 something it plays much better.”

    No problem man. I am always going to be a Curtis fan. I heard about him surviving testicular cancer as a teenager and followed him at ASU and was psyched that the Yankees drafted him.

  217. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Ravech just incorrectly stated that Utley hit a HR off Robertson >:( Don’t sully, D-Robs good name, hairpiece!

  218. CountryClub March 22nd, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Swisher is smaller. he lost 15 pounds over the winter doing some boxing workout.

  219. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Swisher lost 10 pounds in the off-season.

  220. Bronx Jeers March 22nd, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Swish has been boxing this offseason.

    He says he lost about 10 lbs.

  221. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Hagadone pumps that heater to 98 mph, some say if he can be a SP and reaches his ceiling, Victor Martinez is still better but CLE could have landed thier #2 Ace or future SU/CL.

  222. CB March 22nd, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Good news on Joba’s velocity. A simulated game isn’t the same as a real game regardless of how they try to arrange things.

    I’d guess in a real game he might be a tick higher. And he’s still getting stronger.

    I also liked the fact that he generated all of those ground balls while throwing 64% of his pitches for strikes. Sounds like he was attacking the zone with his fastball – which was exactly what he wasn’t doing last year.

    This pitching staff is set up to be just phenomenal this year.

  223. CR9 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    “Sure doesn’t. But it does make answers like “Because it’s Boston” look pretty dumb.”

    I was only joking, but when was the last time the Yankees received a player of the caliber of Curt Schilling for Lyon, De La Rosa, Goss, and Fossum? Pedro for, I think, Tony Armas and Pavano? Billy Wagner for nobody, and netted 2 draft picks for him?

    Randy Johnson. That took Javier Vazquez.

    ARod. That was a salary dump. That took Alfonso Soriano.

    Curtis Granderson. That was a salary dump. That took one of our top 3 prospects.

  224. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    A really strong last three innings from Burnett. Finishes with a strikeout of Werth at 80 pitches in 4 innings. 50 pitches over the last 3 innings is not bad.

  225. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    What inning is it in? Thanks!

    Sounds like Joba threw well; Phil had better pitch well or else he’s going to end up in the pen.

  226. stuckey March 22nd, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    Yeah, I’ll take 93-94 from a power pitcher in an intra-squad ST game that started in 10 in the morning..:-)

  227. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    He was safe.

  228. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Glad to hear that AJ settled down. I was never worried about him, but still it’s been an iffy spring; GB – did he throw any change-ups? Thanks!

  229. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    He was safe

  230. rconn23 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Leave it to Kruk to talk about fielding percentage, which is largely a useless statistic.

  231. S.o.S. March 22nd, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    The BIGGEST salary DUMP was Igawa from Japan.

  232. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Hughes!

  233. Yanks Fan In Austin March 22nd, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    SJ, Jeers, Country Club –
    Thanks for the update on Swish’s physique. Hope it doesn’t hurt his power numbers.

  234. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Betsy -Romine wasn’t built in a day
    March 22nd, 2010 at 2:48 pm
    Glad to hear that AJ settled down. I was never worried about him, but still it’s been an iffy spring; GB – did he throw any change-ups? Thanks!

    ————————————————————

    He threw a couple of them, Betsy. Not as many as I thought he might. The wind burned him on a couple of those hits in the first. He wasn’t great, but, against 7 of the 8 Phillies best hitters, still not too bad.

  235. Phil the Thrill March 22nd, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    Rumor around that we returned Hoffman.

  236. CB March 22nd, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    Hughes coming into the game in the middle of an inning rather than getting a fresh inning.

    This might be the only time either Hughes or Joba have done that this spring.

    Hughes must be destined for the pen!

  237. CR9 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    We can thank Joanna Garcia for Swish’s 10 pounds lost!

  238. I like Inge March 22nd, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Hoffman blows. He was invisible on the field.

  239. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Ouch. One pitch…one run by Hughes.

  240. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Cisco kick his a..

  241. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Two pitches….two rockets

  242. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Not a rumor. Already confirmed. Hoffman was sent back to LA.

  243. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    What happened, GB? Ugh – not a great way to start whatever it is.

  244. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    LOL doesn’t sound like Phil’s day……hopefully he can get his act together.

  245. CB March 22nd, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Hughes missed his spot on both of his first two pitches – both fastballs – and they each got smoked.

    Nice play by Gardner to save a double.

    Ball rode up and in on each pitch. Missed the same way on each of those pitches.

    He’ll be fine when he adjusts.

    Nice curve ball to strike out the lefty hitter.

  246. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    The Yankee kids have acquitted themselves pretty well against Phullies #2 pitcher. Pretty impressive.

    Nice three pitch attack on Gload by Hughes. Gload had no chance at any one of those pitches.

  247. stuckey March 22nd, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Betsy, you can always sorta follow the game here if you can’t be near a TV…

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/boxsco.....b_phimlb_1

  248. Frank March 22nd, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    “Curtis Granderson. That was a salary dump. That took one of our top 3 prospects.”

    Granderson wasn’t a salary dump.

    I hear you on the other stuff, but would counter with David Cone for Marty Janzen, David Justice for Ledee, Swisher for a smoked turkey sandwich with light mayo, etc. That’s how it works for the big money teams sometimes.

  249. Phil the Thrill March 22nd, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Those first two pitches… yikes. He has more innings to work.

  250. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Jorge Vazquez is an ugly man

  251. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    What kind of ball girl is that?

  252. Boston Dave - XXVII March 22nd, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    “Thames has more power than Golston. Unless they bring in another RH, seems he has the edge.”

    ————-

    I thought the 25th man was almost a lock to be a RH bat who hit lefties well.

    Thames may not do much well, but hitting lefties with some power is one thing he has done well in his career.

    Whoever gets that last spot is looking at pinch hitting duties, not a major deal. Though, having a reliable bat on the bench can be very useful.

  253. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Man if some of you are this rattled in ST, how are you going to hold up over a season?

    Not a lot of ST AB’s that don’t start with first pitch fastballs. Big difference from regular season games.

  254. Pat M. March 22nd, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    All three runs that Phil has surrended this spring have been yard shots…..A wind blown fly to center and then two 1- irons to left…

  255. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Phil were they bad FB? Bad curves? Bad changeups? Stuckey, thanks – I can’t tune into that at this point. If things start looking up, I’ll catch the replay on YES tonight.

  256. Boston Dave - XXVII March 22nd, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    “Man if some of you are this rattled in ST, how are you going to hold up over a season?”

    ————–

    I think you know the answer to that question already :)

  257. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    Man….Teixeira is on every pitch today. Hearndon’s life just flashed before his eyes.

  258. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    SJ, it has nothing to do with ST games; if Phil was just getting ready, I wouldn’t care. I’m sorry, though – I want him to win the 5th spot and he does need to pitch well. I’m just disappointed in his start to the game, that’s all. It doesn’t mean he can’t settle down, but there’s a lot at stake for Phil – and for Joba. You don’t think either one of them wants the starting gig? Phil hasn’t had great FB command thus far this spring. By the way ,not every comment is a sign of worry or concern. Facts are facts.

  259. Peter R March 22nd, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Wish I went home to watch this now….

  260. CB March 22nd, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Tex really looks locked in and has most of the spring. He’s tracking pitches very well and squaring up one pitch after another.

    Let’s hope he can get off to a fast start in April.

  261. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    SJ could have directed that comment to me as I’m the only one “concerned”. I don’t think there’s any need to be condescending, either.

  262. RayVT March 22nd, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    Billy
    March 22nd, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    I didn’t know that about Colin Curtis. I saw where he went back to his old swing in Fall league and continued to blister the ball in ST. But since he isn’t on the 40-man I wondered if they wanted to bring him up this year. Perhaps a full year in AAA again with success will get him a chance later this year or next year. Next year may bring Crawford to NYY, so it could be tough.

  263. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    BD,

    No doubt, we will have some casualties this year.

    I thought winning the World Series would cure the angst. Boy, was I wrong! LOL

  264. CB March 22nd, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    Swisher looks significantly better at the plate. He has much less movement and simpler hitting mechanics. Those changes he made are hopefully going to help keep his swing shorter and more consistent.

    Good for him for working with Long and taking suggestions.

  265. CR9 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    Swisher was terrible for the White Sox, and did not get along well with the manager. In addition, it was a salary dump because of the years and $$ remaining on his contract.

    Granderson was a salary dump. Can anyone else confirm? As was Vazquez a salary dump this year, and it took our starting CF from last year to get him. (I am not implying that Melky is good or anything)

    Justice also took away our top pitching prospect, Jake Westbrook, and I think another prospect.

    Cone is the only comparable one to Schill and Pedro, and that was quite some time ago.

  266. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Jimmy rolls over on a change 1 out

  267. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    curve tapped back to Hughes 2 out

  268. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Not sure what to make of Hughes right now in this game. Phillie hitters are swinging at the first or 2nd pitch.

  269. Boston Dave - XXVII March 22nd, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    SJ44,

    I thought #27 would help with the stress as well… I unfortunately live in Sox Nation Central and was sick of the “but you haven’t won in 10 years comments” so I’m headed in to this season with a big smile on my face.

    2010 is just gravy… though I hope it’s some really good gravy.

  270. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Nasty curve strikes out Utley

  271. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Betsy,

    it’s not about you. Read the game thread. We have had roster panic, AJ panic, Hughes first pitch panic.

    It’s ST. When the manager is doing interviews in the middle of the game and is smiling there is nothing to worry about.

  272. Frank March 22nd, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    “Granderson was a salary dump”

    No it wasn’t. If it were, they would not have dropped $7M on Damon to replace him atop their lineup. Granderson represented their best opportunity to add some quality, cost controlled youth and they took it.

  273. rconn23 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Filthy curve catches Utley looking.

  274. Boston Dave - XXVII March 22nd, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    “Tex really looks locked in and has most of the spring. He’s tracking pitches very well and squaring up one pitch after another.”

    ————

    uppercut swing and all!

    Hopefully he can get off to a good start. Remember last year’s awful start??

  275. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    SJ44
    March 22nd, 2010 at 3:08 pm
    BD,

    No doubt, we will have some casualties this year.

    I thought winning the World Series would cure the angst. Boy, was I wrong! LOL

    ————————————————————

    For Yankee fans, angst is almost a computer virus. I wonder if they live their lives like this or is it just that nobody can smack ‘em up side of the head on the internet?

  276. CB March 22nd, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Hughes had Utley 2-2 and threw him a change up that was outside. Count runs 3-2.

    Utley is sitting fastball and Hughes buckles his knees with a beautiful curveball to strike him out.

    Very nice pitching by Hughes. He looks real good after that brief hiccup when he first came in.

  277. Phil the Thrill March 22nd, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    That was sweet. Velo still not there.

  278. five iron from fenway March 22nd, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Sweet curve for strike three. Really nice inning.

    A question (not a panicked plea) – Phil seems to be right around 90 on the ESPN gun – how does this compare to last spring? He gained some velocity last year relative to the year prior and am just wondering if this added velocity will be back this year as he rounds into shape.

  279. Wave Your Hat March 22nd, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    What’s interesting about ST, one of the few things really, is watching those things you figured were going to happen back in January, happen.

  280. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    YES!

    Tony the basterd!

  281. Erica - always OPPC - member of the GOTFG - GTLU supporter March 22nd, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    Boston Dave – XXVII
    March 22nd, 2010 at 3:13 pm
    uppercut swing and all!

    Hopefully he can get off to a good start. Remember last year’s awful start??

    ****************

    ACK! I totally forgot about April 2009 when I drafted Tex last night :-)

  282. Keep it March 22nd, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    Granderson’s salary takes a significant jump in either 2012 or 2013.

  283. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    Cervelli just can’t be made the #5 hitter.

  284. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    I panic more than enough for all of us, but I’m used to it. I think everyone else should calm down and let me take care of the worrying.

  285. Nick in SF March 22nd, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Phil is so far ahead in this dealy that Girardi asked him to groove a few to test the outfielders.

  286. NYYROC March 22nd, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Not watching, but some posters earlier in this thread said AJ was in 80s w/ FB. Could be gun is off.

  287. CR9 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Granderson is due something like 25 million over 3 years as opposed to JD’s 14 million over 2 years.

  288. Erin March 22nd, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Give credit to the Phillies PA guy, who softened the blow by saying Antonio BAW-star-do. 57 seconds ago

    :lol:

  289. Keep it March 22nd, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    I thought JD was 1 year 8 million.

  290. CB March 22nd, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    Touche BD!

    He looks real good right now. Let’s hope he takes it north rather than go through his usual travails to open the season.

    When Tex’s swing is locked in he really is the proverbial one man wrecking crew. We saw lots of that last year.

  291. mg March 22nd, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    aj burnett batting? w/ the wang issue a couple years ago, i’m shocked they didn’t ask to dh for him (or just let him stand there and not take any hacks)…can’t afford an injured #2.

  292. Bronx Jeers March 22nd, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    I panic more than enough for all of us, but I’m used to it. I think everyone else should calm down and let me take care of the worrying.

    ———————————————————–

    :lol:

  293. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    I think Phil takes a long time to build up velocity; I’m pretty sure he said something to that effect when he first came up. Clearly he can get hitters out without the velocity, but he’ll be even better when he warms up. I guess it’s because he’s a California boy…..

    Camp change-up seems to be a rousing success, lol.

  294. CR9 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    1 year 8 million. Oops. That makes my case even better.

  295. Joe from Long Island March 22nd, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    CB – do you think that Phil deliberately threw that 2-2 change to Utley outside in order to get him thinking FB on 3-2, just so he could nail him with the curve?

  296. Check the books March 22nd, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    “Granderson is due something like 25 million over 3 years as opposed to JD’s 14 million over 2 years.”

    Damon makes more over the next two years than Granderson does and $10M in 2012 would hardly kill the Tigers. Tigers have $60M in absolute garbage coming off their books after this season. They did not move Granderson for salary reasons.

  297. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Why call a fastball away with the shift on?

  298. Phil the Thrill March 22nd, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    I think they traded Granderson thinking Verlander was going to cost more than he ultimately did.

  299. Mark March 22nd, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Sounds like Girardi was happy with Joba’s outing today.

  300. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Bronx, worrying for me is like breathing. It is NOT healthy, I know it – but it’s always something. Ah well – I laugh about it, lol.

    Tex is such a wonderful player…the best 1B I’ve seen since Mattingly. No one will ever touch Donnie as far as I’m concerned, but boy Tex is making a run.

  301. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    Joba has evened the race for the #5 SP spot.

  302. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    Betsy -Romine wasn’t built in a day
    March 22nd, 2010 at 3:17 pm
    I panic more than enough for all of us, but I’m used to it. I think everyone else should calm down and let me take care of the worrying.

    ————————————————————

    Betsy, you’re the best clutch worrier on the board. Clutch worries are important.

  303. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    It says a lot about where Phil is confidence wise that he would even through a change on 2-2……He must have not only thought he could get it over, but that he could (if he didn’t) get the batter out anyway.

  304. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Beautiful 1 srike change-up on Ibanez.

  305. charlestonchew March 22nd, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    What a great change by Hughes to Ibanez

  306. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Phil is really using his cutter today. I like it.

  307. CB March 22nd, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    The change up to utley just got away from Hughes. It wasn’t a good pitch.

    Hughes threw Ibanez a beautiful change for strike two. Terrific pitch.

  308. CR9 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....son-trade/

    On the Granderson blog post, others also think that it was a salary dump.

  309. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    The masterful Hughes strands a runner on third, with pitchability.

  310. Rich in NJ March 22nd, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Phil just showed why he is the 5th starter (although Joba should be kept stretched out).

  311. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Hughes is throwing the ball really well.

  312. Phil the Thrill March 22nd, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    That was some sweet pitching.

  313. NYYROC March 22nd, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    From posts of those watching it sounds like Hughes is pretty economical today. Is that true?

  314. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Hughes did well through some of the best left handed hitters that Phillie has. Howard’s double was just too close to the left field line. Solid hit, just not a solid double. Not really smoked, but, Hughes gets out of it scoreless.

  315. CB March 22nd, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Hughes is mixing his pitches very well. The phillies hitters have looked off balance frequently.

    Fastball hasn’t been great, particularly in terms of command, but he’s adjusted and using his curve ball very well.

  316. vb03 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Wouldn’t be surprised if Phil won 15 games this year. Feels like his time has finally arrived.

  317. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    I admit, I’m glad Phil is facing phenomenal Phillies lineup…

  318. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    I’m glad Phil’s curve is coming along because he’s got a beauty when it’s on…

  319. charlestonchew March 22nd, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Phil is definitely the fifth starter. He is great to watch. Joba is frustrating to watch. When I see Phil pitch, comparing his starting career to Joba’s, Phil looks like more of a pitcher. Joba looks like a ball of adrenaline, all antsy and fireballing.

    That kind of stuff isn’t as salient to those who prefer statistical evidence over more qualitative observations. Phil just seems calmer. Images of Joba and his fist pumps might be shining through in the back of my mind when I see him, but he can’t shake that.

    Also,

    Wow. Curtis Granderson might be the best guy I’ve ever heard in my life. I love this guy. I might even like him more than Jeter already…

  320. ITC 99 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Dombrowski turned Granderson and Edwin Jackson (who regressed back to his normal career in the 2nd half) into 3 top young prospects and a nice BP arm in Coke.

    They sold Jackson high and got back two high ceiling arms (one starter and reliever) and got back a top OF prospect in Jackson.

  321. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    Golson’s swing is getting shorter and he’s starting to drive the ball more frequent.

  322. I like Inge March 22nd, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Granderson will take NY by storm this year. He will be a fan favorite.

  323. DMan March 22nd, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    When we got Nady/Marte… everyone was killing the Pirates for giving away 2 of their best player for us and not getting anything in return. Even former Pirates players were killing them.

    Everyone said we got a ‘steal’ when we got Vazquez and only gave up Cabrera (and a Low A pitcher). Abreu was obviously a salary dump.

    We’ve had our fair share of perceived one-sided trades too.

  324. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    Golson really went far out on the corner to hook that ball and hit it pretty well. Not looking lost at the plate this spring.

  325. m March 22nd, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    I missed Phil’s outing so far. Am I wrong or has all of Phil’s runs this spring come on 3 solo HR?

  326. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    That’s all nice ppl, I bet Joba wins the #5 spot by the end of this month.

  327. Pat M. March 22nd, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    CB, Phil had a few real nice Linda Ronstandt’s up in the zone that nobody could catch up to……He looks real easy good !!!!!

  328. Mark March 22nd, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Hughes gives up his 2nd HR.. this time to Bronson Sardhinia.

  329. m March 22nd, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Okay, make that 4 solo HR?

  330. Boston Dave - XXVII March 22nd, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    CB,

    There are many reasons to think the Yanks are in much better shape entering this season than they were last.

    ARod is perhaps at his best (scary, right) since he joined the Yankees. Last season he missed a big chunk of the start.

    Tex got off to an even slower start than he usually does.

    The bullpen seems to have less question marks than usual.

    The starting rotation is plenty deep and at least on paper it looks stronger than last years.

    On defense, ARod should be better, the OF is much better, and though Posada is a year older, he’s also another year removed from that shoulder surgery.

    If there is a team with less to worry about this ST than the Yankees, I’d like to see them :)

  331. 7*7 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    “That’s all nice ppl, I bet Joba wins the #5 spot by the end of this month.”

    I tend to agree with that.

  332. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    That was hit fairly well, but, strictly a warning track fly that blew out of the park.

  333. Phil the Thrill March 22nd, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    Phillies back-up catchers are still killing us.

  334. Gator March 22nd, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Hughes better knock it off with the HRs, especially when we head north. He does know where he pitches his home games right?

  335. JohnC March 22nd, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Glad to hear that Golson continues to swing the bat well.

  336. Erica - always OPPC - member of the GOTFG - GTLU supporter March 22nd, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Pat M.
    March 22nd, 2010 at 3:36 pm
    CB, Phil had a few real nice Linda Ronstandt’s up in the zone that nobody could catch up to……He looks real easy good !!!!!

    **************

    I am afraid I do not understand this Linda Ronstadt reference :-(

  337. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Nasty

  338. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    Mark
    March 22nd, 2010 at 3:37 pm
    Hughes gives up his 2nd HR.. this time to Bronson Sardhinia.

    ————————————————————

    It’s Dane Sardhinia

  339. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    Mark
    March 22nd, 2010 at 3:37 pm
    Hughes gives up his 2nd HR.. this time to Bronson Sardhinia.

    ————————————————————

    It’s Dane Sardhinia

    lol

  340. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    Last time out, Phil got alot of grounders … not so today. Does that mean he’s not throwing a two-seamer?

  341. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – member of the GOTFG – GTLU supporter
    March 22nd, 2010 at 3:40 pm
    Pat M.
    March 22nd, 2010 at 3:36 pm
    CB, Phil had a few real nice Linda Ronstandt’s up in the zone that nobody could catch up to……He looks real easy good !!!!!

    **************

    I am afraid I do not understand this Linda Ronstadt reference

    ————————————————————

    A Blew By You fastball. (Blue Bayou)

  342. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    If your Billy Eppler, Cashman, Newman, you watched Winn, Golson, …etc.. batting infront of you, obvs. Golso left the impression on them.

  343. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Don’t get caught in ST HR’s.

    The quality of his secondary stuff has been outstanding today.

    It’s March. Nobody has pinpoint control in March yet.

    He’s looked really good all Spring.

  344. Nick in SF March 22nd, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    The infamous Blue Bayou :evil:

  345. Phil the Thrill March 22nd, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    The Sardinha’s were huge BA favorites and they’ve never amounted to much in the majors.

  346. CB March 22nd, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    “Phil is definitely the fifth starter. He is great to watch. Joba is frustrating to watch. When I see Phil pitch, comparing his starting career to Joba’s, Phil looks like more of a pitcher. Joba looks like a ball of adrenaline, all antsy and fireballing.”

    It was a tragedy to see how Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, and Pedro Martinez had their careers squandered in the starting rotation when they were far too antsy to fill that role.

    Similarly, it’s hard not to think of what might have been for Mariano Rivera and Trevor Hoffman had their calm disposition’s been optimally used in the rotation.

    One of the wackiest parts of the whole Joba debate is the amount of attention paid to his demeanor and mannerisms rather than to how he pitches and his stuff.

    He pitches poorly in the playoffs last year out of the pen, but he’s pumping his fists so all is well…

  347. Rob NY March 22nd, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    Hughes’ curveball has been just filthy today. Hitters literally have no idea what to do with it. (Except the one or two that were flat, which, were promptly dispatched.) He has tossed a few change-ups that hitters aren’t really picking up either.

    I’ve had a man-crush on PJH since 2003 though. Oh and in re: FB velocity, the YES gun had AJ throwing his fastball at 89-92 also so it may just be a gun issue. PJH’s fastball is 86-90.

    Jack Curry just said after talking to Girardi it’s his impression that it’s Hughes’ job to lose.

  348. Cando March 22nd, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    Hughes secondary stuff is soooo filthy

    But what happened to his FB velo? Where is the 92-94? I am only seeing 88-90.

  349. five iron from fenway March 22nd, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    I am glad that both Phil and Joba have really stepped it up the last couple of starts. This can only help the team in the long run.
    Phil has thrown some outstanding curves, some good sliders and changeups as well. That seems like 4 pitches to me.

  350. Keep it March 22nd, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    How does Damon make more over the next two years when he only has a 1 year contract?

  351. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Erica, I think it’s because Phil is throwing nice and easy? Didn’t she have a song with easy in the title of it? Of course, I could be losing it, lol……..

  352. Ken March 22nd, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    “If your Billy Eppler, Cashman, Newman, you watched Winn, Golson, …etc.. batting infront of you, obvs. Golso left the impression on them.”

    They have to save face and give Winn atleast 1\2 a year before DFA’ing him. Not going to look good if they sign him for a million and release him in ST.

  353. CountryClub March 22nd, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Forget the solo dingers. 0 walks and 4 k’s in 3.2 innings. Those are the important numbers.

  354. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    “Jack Curry just said after talking to Girardi it’s his impression that it’s Hughes’ job to lose.”

    He’s giving his opinion, you’ll see it’s Joba’s by the end of this mth.

  355. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Cando, not to worry. Phil is one guy who takes a while for his velo to get cranked up. Think of it this way – he’s not throwing hard and he’s still pitching very well against a fantastic lineup.

  356. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Ruth is so good its stupid.

  357. PC Dan March 22nd, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    It would suck if Hughes gives up a walkoff HR here…

  358. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Betsy -Romine wasn’t built in a day
    March 22nd, 2010 at 3:45 pm
    Erica, I think it’s because Phil is throwing nice and easy? Didn’t she have a song with easy in the title of it? Of course, I could be losing it, lol……..

    ————————————————————

    Her biggest song was “Blue Bayou”.

  359. Rob NY March 22nd, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Not disagreeing with you Brandon. Just putting it out there that Curry said he got that impression from talking to Girardi. He would have a better impression than me, having never spoken to Joe G.

  360. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    PC Dan March 22nd, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    It would suck if Hughes gives up a walkoff HR here…

    I want to see a tie in the 10th. I can watch Hughes pitch all day.

  361. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    He’s throwing more cutters today.

    That’s what some of those 86 Mph readings were in this outings.

    Threw several 91 Mph fastballs last inning with late jump.

    For this time of year, the velocity is in line for him.

  362. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Betsy: Hughes is 3-3 on groundouts flyouts and atleast 1 of his flyballs was a weak pop. That combined with the strikeouts is all you want.

  363. Rockks March 22nd, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    I have to say… a guy like Hughes is a treat to watch pitch, just like Halladay is.

    He just puts the ball right where he wants it and even when it misses, it is borderline. I don’t know what exactly it is, but it is just majestic watching Hughes pitch, just painting the corners like that.

  364. Erin March 22nd, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    GreenBeret7
    March 22nd, 2010 at 3:47 pm
    Betsy -Romine wasn’t built in a day
    March 22nd, 2010 at 3:45 pm
    Erica, I think it’s because Phil is throwing nice and easy? Didn’t she have a song with easy in the title of it? Of course, I could be losing it, lol……..

    ————————————————————

    Her biggest song was “Blue Bayou”.

    ************************
    Which she sang on The Muppet Show. :D

  365. Bronx Jeers March 22nd, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    I am afraid I do not understand this Linda Ronstadt reference

    ———————————————————–

    That’s nothing.

    I’m still trying to figure out what Splendor In The Grass has to do with college basketball? :wink:

  366. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Nasty change

  367. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Sick change to wise

  368. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    I never “got” the temperment issue. Phil is the absolute complete opposite of Joba in every way and he was great in the pen. Joba at his best was phenomenal as well – they have two ways of going about their business, but it works for them. Mo is a freak. Mo is who he is in part because of his temperment, but that’s not the only reason. Pablebon is a jerk on the mound, but he’s very successful. The only thing I don’t like a pitcher to do is show up the opposing team.

  369. teddy gbu March 22nd, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    hughes looking good, think he won the job

  370. C March 22nd, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Kinda reminds me of Mussina’s pitching. Changing speeds, hitting the corners. Beautiful to watch.

  371. CB March 22nd, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Hughes has pitched well today – but he’s made mistakes that have been hit hard.

    You can’t just dismiss the home runs he’s given up. It’s not that the results matter but on those home runs he hasn’t executed his pitches.

    First home run today he missed his spot. Second home run he hung his curve.

    Hughes just doubles up wise on two gorgeous change ups he swings through. Just fantastic change ups.

  372. Rob NY March 22nd, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Another NASTY change-up to Dewayne Wise. The thing to my untrained eye is his change looks exactly like his fastball out of his hand. 80MPH and then doubles up on it to strike him out at 79MPH. That is going to be a huge weapon if it isn’t already.

  373. JJ March 22nd, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Now the scrubs are in.. Dewayne Wise, Sardhina, now Cody Ransom, etc.

    Scrubs coming in later and later now… season is near.

  374. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    I wonder if Tex thinks the change Phil is throwing is similar to the ones he got embarrassed on in Texas 3 years ago… Geez, Phil picked up a good change in a hurry.

  375. choochoo March 22nd, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    why don’t you fruitcakes who know nothing about baseball–especially being a manager, general manager or talent evaluator, put your laptops away and go watch a soap opera?

  376. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    Great 0-2 changeup to Wise for the K.

    He’s throwing his changeup with a lot of confidence.

  377. pat March 22nd, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    Hughes is throwing his curve for strikes at will today.

  378. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Doubles up on a change? I think Phil is loving his new pitch, lol.

  379. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Hughes has gone the entire Linda Ronstadt route in his career. He started with Chamberlain and Kennedy with “Crazy Arms” to 2008′s with Faithless Love” and now he’s at “Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow”.

  380. H-Town March 22nd, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Sutcliffe and John Kruk ware raving about Hughes

  381. nks March 22nd, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Ouch… almost another HR for Hughes that would have ended the game.

  382. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Poor phil

  383. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Hughes :(

  384. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Hung that curve.

  385. Jay March 22nd, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    And Hughes gives up walkoff to Valdez

  386. Phil the Thrill March 22nd, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    too many hard hit balls, but otherwise, terrific.

  387. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    That was not a good impression.

  388. Erin March 22nd, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    GreenBeret7
    March 22nd, 2010 at 3:55 pm
    Hughes has gone the entire Linda Ronstadt route in his career. He started with Chamberlain and Kennedy with “Crazy Arms” to 2008’s with Faithless Love” and now he’s at “Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow”.

    *******************************
    :lol:

  389. 7*7 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Valdez now has 2 walkoff hits against us this Spring

  390. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Erin
    March 22nd, 2010 at 3:50 pm
    GreenBeret7
    March 22nd, 2010 at 3:47 pm
    Betsy -Romine wasn’t built in a day
    March 22nd, 2010 at 3:45 pm
    Erica, I think it’s because Phil is throwing nice and easy? Didn’t she have a song with easy in the title of it? Of course, I could be losing it, lol……..

    ————————————————————

    Her biggest song was “Blue Bayou”.

    ************************
    Which she sang on The Muppet Show.

    ————————————————————

    That’s my job. I feed you the opening to fit in your “Muppet” moment.

  391. Erica - always OPPC - member of the GOTFG - GTLU supporter March 22nd, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    GreenBeret7
    March 22nd, 2010 at 3:42 pm
    Erica – always OPPC – member of the GOTFG – GTLU supporter
    March 22nd, 2010 at 3:40 pm
    Pat M.
    March 22nd, 2010 at 3:36 pm
    CB, Phil had a few real nice Linda Ronstandt’s up in the zone that nobody could catch up to……He looks real easy good !!!!!

    **************

    I am afraid I do not understand this Linda Ronstadt reference

    ————————————————————

    A Blew By You fastball. (Blue Bayou)

    ************

    :lol:

  392. pat March 22nd, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    and a hanger for the loss. :sad:

    Lots of Ks but when they hit it they hit it hard and far.

  393. Gator March 22nd, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    He was cruising too… 2 outs, no one on and a chance to go out and a good note,,, then double and a HR.

  394. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter March 22nd, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Trying out this handle!

  395. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    aww, poor Phil…….

  396. Jay March 22nd, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    “Lots of Ks but when they hit it they hit it hard and far.”

    Yep, story of the day.

  397. Dark Dante March 22nd, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Valdez saves Joba’s bacon for another day. Sorry Hughes you didn’t get the job done today. Get out of the farmhouse son when it is set on fire…that is all that matters

  398. Rob NY March 22nd, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    CB’s point is made. Too bad on the result, got beat on bad pitches, can’t argue with that.

  399. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Hughes had a lot that looked good though

  400. CB March 22nd, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Hughes had a mixed day today. Mostly good to very good.

    But on the whole – when Hughes made mistakes they got crushed. Very little room for error today with Hughes.

    He threw several great curve balls. But two weren’t real sharp and they got crushed.

    His fastball was good but not great and when his fastball was up it got hit hard.

    He still has some things to work on which is fine as it’s still march 22.

  401. JohnC March 22nd, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    It happens. Better it happens now and here then in regular season. Still has time to work on command, velocity and location.

  402. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    I guess he showed that he’s a kid – made mistakes and he paid for them; he also made (apparently some great pitches). I’m pretty sure Joe will be sure to emphasize the positive with Phil so that he doesn’t get down about how the game ended.

  403. RalphieD (OPPC) March 22nd, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    no idea how much of a role ,if any, wind played in those 3 homeruns hughes gave up, but i do know one thing…if joba had pitched like hughes (meaning mostly good pitching with 3 homeruns) they’d be calling for his head and banishment to nebraska

  404. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Gator he was getting hit hard, nothing about that was cruising, he’s good but I don’t see him winning this #5 spot, we can’t risk pulling another 2008 w/ Phil.

  405. KWAN March 22nd, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Hughes was all over the place today. Threw some great pitches, but when he missed, it was hit hard. Gave up 3 homeruns.

  406. JohnC March 22nd, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Bet Kruk was creaming in his pants after the walk off win for Phils.

  407. Erin March 22nd, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    GreenBeret7
    March 22nd, 2010 at 3:57 pm
    Erin
    March 22nd, 2010 at 3:50 pm
    GreenBeret7
    March 22nd, 2010 at 3:47 pm
    Betsy -Romine wasn’t built in a day
    March 22nd, 2010 at 3:45 pm
    Erica, I think it’s because Phil is throwing nice and easy? Didn’t she have a song with easy in the title of it? Of course, I could be losing it, lol……..

    ————————————————————

    Her biggest song was “Blue Bayou”.

    ************************
    Which she sang on The Muppet Show.

    ————————————————————

    That’s my job. I feed you the opening to fit in your “Muppet” moment.

    ****************************
    LOL You do your job very well. :)

  408. austinmac March 22nd, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Hughes change up gives him a new weapon against lefties. However, as I said last week and my wisdom, parentage and eyesight were questioned, Hughes fastball is 89-91. He did not throw one pitch above that for, I believe, at least his last two starts. Can he win like that? Yes, but he must hit corners consistently. Also, I did not see a single inside fastball to a righty. That too must change.

  409. tex's friend March 22nd, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    as good as phil looks sometimes, he is giving up WAY TOO MANY homeruns.

    He has to be able to keep the ball in the park.

    I really think Joba is at least going to start the year at #5. It may not end that way, but it will start that way.

  410. Erin March 22nd, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Erica-Love the new handle :)

  411. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Had that been Joba ppl would be ripping him. Hughes had a so-so outing, that doesn’t in no way put space between him and Joba, IMO this is Joba’s job to lose now.

  412. Ez Rep March 22nd, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    “if joba had pitched like hughes (meaning mostly good pitching with 3 homeruns) they’d be calling for his head and banishment to nebraska”

    So true. There is a double standard when it comes to Joba. If he pitched like he did today, he would be crucified and how he is destined for the pen and how he is stubborn, immature, out of shape, etc.

  413. I like Inge March 22nd, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    All you guys giving play by play saying he pitched great. He gave up three bombs.. LOL…

    I didnt see one pitch and could care less how many HRs he gave up or his line up but its funny all of you were talking about how he was dominating against the Philly subs.

    Its actually a good thing he gave up the HR, now the players can go home for the day. No need to play 1 extra inning.

  414. m March 22nd, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Not a good way to end the inning, Phil. lol.

  415. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    You learn from mistakes, so it’s really no big deal. I’m sure the Phils were very impressed with him…..The important thing is that he mixed his pitches and had great success (mostly) with his secondary stuff. It’s ok that he got hit – he just has to execute a bit better. I hope Phil feels good about himself – it won’t be the last time he gets hit hard after all.

  416. Jake March 22nd, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    If Girardi was genuine in his praise of Joba’s outing today… the gap looks to have closed.

  417. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    :MAO. “Hoochie mama, look at those ankles”. God, these NY lottery commercials are so bad that they are funny.

  418. GC March 22nd, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    You gotta figure that if they knew both Joba and Phil would be throwing like this during ST there’s a chance Cash wouldn’t have gone out and gotten Vazquez. Its a crying shame that one of these two is going to be wasted in a virtually useless bullpen role.

    Phil could be a major league # 3 throwing 88-90 simply because of the quality of his command and curveball, perhaps in the mold of Carl Pavano during his 2004 heyday. If he can turn it up to the point where he sits at 92-94 with his four seamer, there’s no reason why he shouldn’t be one of the top 10 pitchers in the American League for a very long time. Arm him with that, and he looks a whole lot like Mike Mussina during his early years in Baltimore.

  419. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Phil gave up a lot of HRs last year in the pen, he sure did.

  420. Wilson March 22nd, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    You can’t just ignore the 3 HRs as if they didn’t happened. You guys do realize where we play our home games, right?

    He has to cut down on those. He’s pitched, what, 15 innings and given up 5 HRs?

  421. teddy gbu March 22nd, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    one od the hr was the definite cheap hr

  422. Phil the Thrill March 22nd, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    I think the good news for Phil is that the change is coming along. The good news for Joba is the velo is starting to rise.

  423. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    And yet Hughes track record suggests a pitcher who doesn’t give up HRs. Its spring.

  424. CB March 22nd, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    If Hughes made good pitches on those home runs – that’s one thing. That you don’t care about in spring training.

    But those pitches that got hit out – those were simply bad pitches that decent hitters are going to punish.

    Hughes was inconsistent today. He really varied from looking brilliant at times to looking poor.

    Outside of the mistakes – Hughes didn’t have his good fastball today.

    It’s a tough day to evaluate, particularly from the stand point of the 5th starter “competition.”

  425. Carl C. March 22nd, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    A mixed bag for Hughes today. Girardi can’t just dismiss the mistakes when evaluating him. When Hughes was good, he was really good. When he was bad, he got smacked.

  426. Andrew March 22nd, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    Joba and Greg Golson looked downright dominant in that high-stakes intrasquad game that occurred at the crack of dawn, though. They are now apparently locks for starting jobs, according to some

  427. CountryClub March 22nd, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Hughes has not given up a lot of hr’s in his career. 19 in 192 major league innings is more than fine. Don’t get bent over a bunch of spring training dingers.

  428. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Joba was throwing 93-94 mph in a closed enviorment. His velocity is starting to come back, this whole Joba Rules thing was done to prevent him from getting hurt, the kid deserves his shot w/ interuptions. I like Phil, but he’s not really ready.

  429. tex's friend March 22nd, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    one od the hr was the definite cheap hr

    ___

    in yankee stadium there will be cheap homeruns. they count too and they will happen often.

  430. R+ March 22nd, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Agree, CB. Hughes certainly wasn’t as brilliant today as some are trying to portray. He had some great moments, but as you said, the mistakes he made cannot be dismissed.

  431. Jose March 22nd, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Can we please stop with the “PH is a kid” thing? He’s been in the league for the better part of 3+ years.

    I was one of many that got suckered into the “Phil Phenom” hype. It’s time to realize what exactly he is: a #4 or #5 starter.

    With a 91 mph heater (not just basing this on today’s outing…whenever he starts), unless he has Mussina-like control (rare…and he doesn’t), he won’t be anything near a “phenom.”

    He’ll be a decent #5 starter for us this year (I hope anyways). To expect anything else is delusional…especially if he is sitting at 88-92.

    The unfortunate thing is that it’s counter-productive to send either he or Joba to the bullpen. The smart thing to do is for Joba to start at AAA and work on his secondary pitches/confidence and have Phil in the rotation.

  432. CB March 22nd, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    “Had that been Joba ppl would be ripping him.”

    This is true. Had Joba pitched like Phil did today there would have been a riot in here and we would have had dozens of posts indicating that the performance once again showed that Joba needed to be in the pen, for whatever reason.

  433. Ez Rep March 22nd, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    “in yankee stadium there will be cheap homeruns. they count too and they will happen often.”

    Bingo. Especially with Hughes being a RH pitcher. Against lefty hitters, he has to do a better job.

  434. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    That’s not the impression Curry got from Joe; is one bad half inning in the bottom of the 9th going to change things? Phil getting hit at times doesn’t worry me a bit – and it didn’t worry me a bit when Joba would get hit; that happens to every pitcher. He and Joba are kids; they are going to be inconsistent. The Yankees had better be able to live with this inconsistency; if they can’t, they will never develop any young pitching.

  435. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Today might have been an example of throwing too many strikes….wild in the strike zone.

  436. CountryClub March 22nd, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Thank goodness all this nonsense will be put to rest in a few days. Both kids are good pitchers and will help the team in whatever role they are assigned.

  437. NITRO March 22nd, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    This blog is to Hughes as NYYfans is to Joba.

    It is OK to admit that Hughes wasn’t great today rather than saying the 3 HRs are no big deal. As CB has pointed out, Hughes made legit mistakes today.

  438. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    How many HRs did Phil give up last year? He was brilliant in the pen, so it wasn’t a lot.

    I doubt that Joba would be ripped……

  439. teddy gbu March 22nd, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    how are you going to hold a wind aided hr against hughes. yea he made some mistakes.

    he also threws strikes and a 6 k’s to zero walks

  440. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    I said it for awhile, I didn’t want to think it or say it, but Hughes is better in the SU role, had he not had that rough 2 weeks in the postseason this isn’t debated. I like Hughes, we keep saying w/ him, wow watch how he uses that change up and forget, wow 88 mph, but he comes out of the BP and it goes 93-94 topping out 95, 96 at times. He’s more dangerous there, I like him as a SP option, but he ain’t ready.

  441. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    I dunno, if Joba didn’t walk anyone and struck out a ton of guys but gave up some HRs I wouldn’t be down on him.

    The thing with Joba is walks and not getting his K’s. He only struck out 7.6 while walking near 4 and gave up a 1.2 HR per 9 last season.

    Thats not very good.

  442. CB March 22nd, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    “I like Phil, but he’s not really ready.”

    Sure he is. He’s more than ready to be a starter.

    So is Joba.

    On the vast majority of other teams, either one of these guys would be in the starting rotation without much of a question.

  443. S.o.S. March 22nd, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    if joba had pitched like hughes (meaning mostly good pitching with 3 homeruns) they’d be calling for his head and banishment to nebraska

    ======

    Im a Hughes fan but i totally agree with this post. If that was Joba, we would be getting some “not mentally fit” to start comments. Who cares if he threw well on SOME pitches? Its all about repeating your delivery and not making MISTAKES. 3 bombs is quite a bit. For Joba and Hughes, its not just another spring training game. Its an audition for seat next to Jeter.

    When does Girardi make it public of who gets voted off the island?

  444. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Country club with the post of the day.

    The rest of this stuff is just noise.

    Both guys, in whatever role they have, will help the team this year.

  445. Clint March 22nd, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Curry is just reading into things, just like Heyman did and I like Curry, but what he said means nothing.

    Girardi saying “We’ll see” and hesitating means that Hughes is the starter?

    So many amateur psychologists in the media….

  446. RalphieD (OPPC) March 22nd, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    “Thank goodness all this nonsense will be put to rest in a few days. Both kids are good pitchers and will help the team in whatever role they are assigned.”

    i agree..i cant wait till its over….

    ——————-
    all these people saying that hughes and joba need to be in the pen are incredibly stupid

  447. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter March 22nd, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    Erin
    March 22nd, 2010 at 4:02 pm
    Erica-Love the new handle

    ******************

    Thank you! I am trying to shake things up a little

  448. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    Jose, YOU can realize that Phil is at best a #4 or 5 starter if that’s your opinion, but quit telling people to realize it themselves because that’s not the case

  449. Phil the Thrill March 22nd, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    If anyone thinks Joba or Phil has their regular season velo,yet, they are nuts. The homers off Phil and the doubles of Joba today were just bad pitches. That’s what ST is for. This should go down to the wire.

  450. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    2 of Phil’s HRs were righties going the opposite way. Its not like lefties were taking him deep.

  451. Trevor March 22nd, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    People advocating putting both Hughes and Joba in the pen. What the hell?

  452. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    “how are you going to hold a wind aided hr against hughes. yea he made some mistakes”

    They were smashed man. SMASHED. One HR to RF was the only minus, but the rest, hard hits.

  453. teddy gbu March 22nd, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    both phil and joba start, but thats not just happen right now

  454. austinmac March 22nd, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    Betsy–When is Hughes going to throw 94 as a starter as you said last week he throws?

  455. Pat M. March 22nd, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    I watched the game on ESPN, and there were at least 5 fastballs that they clocked at 95…..He was looking good until the last 2 hitters, too much of the plate on breaking balls……What did he end up with , 5 k’s ???? He’ll be in the rotation…..Brandon, after a few years hanging out here, I would have thought you would have learned a few things about the game……This whole Hughes / Joba thing remind me of the Mantle / Maris stuff back in 1961 when I was a kid…..There was no middle ground back then and this seems to be the case today ……I don’t know how few times he was behind in the count today, but it wasn’t much, and I don’t think he walked any……Hatfield & McCoys mentality

  456. Phil the Thrill March 22nd, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    Ez Red,

    did you see what Hughes did to Utley and Ibanez? He can handle lefties.

  457. teddy gbu March 22nd, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    yea he gave up some smashes, he also powned ibanez in a easy rbi situations..

    think hughes had hr fever, pellfrey gave 4 hr, plus 4 walks.

    hr happen, there no reason to over drastic them. he had good stuff most of the games

  458. Rick March 22nd, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    This board would have exploded if Joba performed like this

    Not just with “he is a reliever, send him to the pen!” posts, but the usual psychobabble about how he is immature and shakes off his catchers and stubborn and arrogant etc.

  459. Andrew March 22nd, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    Velocity is not everything. Hughes’ career was never going to be dependent on velocity for success, until he was squeezed out of the rotation last year and thrived in the pen throwing harder. His main strength has always been location, combined with a wicked secondary pitch that he can also locate. Today he struggles with consistent location and suddenly the narrative is he belongs in the bullpen for good? Way way over-reactionary

  460. NYYROC March 22nd, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    If Joe holds true to what he said about deciding by the end of this week, Phil & Joba have probably pitched their last time before a decision is made. They are on track to pitch Saturday now.

  461. stuckey March 22nd, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    Good gracious. I see people type the words “it’s just spring training” but don’t see a lot of conviction in those words.

    Very rarely is spring training predictive. That Hughes might have not located 3 pitchers today likely means nothing that TODAY Phil Hughes didn’t locate 3 pitchers.

    Doesn’t make it a “problem” he’ll have to work on. Just means it’s baseball.

    My favorite recent example of this sort of misplaced hysteria is the first week of last season when the Marlin’s Emilio Bonifacio went 14 of his first 24.

    Want a laugh. Go look up all the ink on his that week, and then look at his season ending stats.

    EVERYTHING seems significant this time of year. But as baseball teaches us time and time again, it isn’t.

  462. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    I agree stuckey

  463. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    Pat M. he wasn’t throwing 95 today. I’m sorry but Hughed didn’t top over 92 in this outing.

  464. CB March 22nd, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    Hughes didn’t look like a 4 or 5 today. What game are people watching?

    He looked like a young pitcher with huge upside who was pitching a spring training game.

    He was absolutely brilliant at times but then made some mistakes on certain pitches.

    It’s no big deal at all. People shouldn’t be overselling or underselling the performance.

    The fundamental issue today was that he didn’t have a crisp fastball in terms of command that he could pitch off of.

  465. Gary March 22nd, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    Chad,

    Why do you always stop updating the game post halfway through the game? I’m sure some more interesting things have happened since Hughes came in..

  466. Rick March 22nd, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    This could open the door for Mitre to sneak in and steal the spot.

  467. Pat M. March 22nd, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Well Brandon, do I take your word or what was being posted on ESPN during the game ??????

  468. Phil the Thrill March 22nd, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Hughes is a big kid and he’s gonna throw hard, like he did back in `06.

  469. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Austinmac, I’m not getting into this with you….

  470. austinmac March 22nd, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    I watched the game on ESPN also. I saw not a single fastball above 91. I admit I could have missed a pitch or two, but no way 95.

    The strike outs I recall came on a 90 MPH fastball to Ibanez, a curve, and a change up. I am not saying he pitched badly or that he won’t improve. He is just not the power starter people want him to be. I would still opt for him over Chamberlain.

  471. Jose March 22nd, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    Austinmac,

    He doesn’t. And without pinpoint control, people will realize his potential.

    Remember when Kevin Millar (of all people) said that his fastball is “very flat?” Pitchers get away with flat fastballs if they throw 93-96 mph. Unfortunately, Phil doesn’t.

    And I am not just basing this off this spring. He is consistently at 88-91 when he starts. Without a quality 3rd pitch, he won’t be anything more than a #4-5 starter.

  472. austinmac March 22nd, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    Betsy–I don’t want to argue with you either.

  473. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    “Well Brandon, do I take your word or what was being posted on ESPN during the game ??????”

    Hey I’m no radar gun, but I’m pretty sure YES, which is wierd but today that YES gun was accurate. He didn’t get anywhere near 95.

  474. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Yep, CB – and it’s really not a problem at all. Phil made mistakes, bad pitches, and he paid for them. It won’t be the last time he makes bad pitches. I would rather see Phil show what he showed (potentially 3/4 excellent secondary pitches against a great lineup) and get hit a bit rather than him giving up fewer runs but not showing the potential he did with those pitches. The same goes with Joba…. really, their potential is unlimited. It also appears the competition is bringing out the best in them.

  475. Patrick March 22nd, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Why are we discussing only Hughes and Chamberlain?

    Burnett looked pretty awful today, someone complain about him please.

  476. Johnson March 22nd, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Read the tea leaves, folks.

    Hughes is the $5 starter and has always been the $5 starter. His start today means NOTHING, the decision was made already a while ago. All Hughes had to do was NOT LOSE his spot, and he didn’t. The breaking pitches he threw were jaw dropping. When he gets his velo. back, watch out.

    Joba is going to the pen as the heir to Mariano. He has a reliever mentality and he was great in the WS in the pen. And simply, he is not a better starter right now than Hughes is and this spring has proved it. He had to be better than Hughes to win the job and he hasn’t been.

    Hughes is going to be the starter and it should come from no surprise to those who have been paying attention.

  477. William Buckner March 22nd, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    I think some should remember what the argument is?

    The fifth starter. If what I saw today is the fifth starter, wow, this team could be special.

    Remember some of their prior fifth starters? Last year they finished the year with three.

    Come on, Hughes, Joba, Gaudin as the 5-6-7 options!! That is depth.

  478. Patrick March 22nd, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Debating velocity in the spring is the height of stupidity. It means absolutely nothing.

  479. Bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 22nd, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    The Yankees had better be able to live with this inconsistency; if they can’t, they will never develop any young pitching.
    ====

    Betsy,

    That’s really what it is.

    We don’t really know how sage the Yankees are on this.

    That’s the true source of my discomfort.

    I am already fatigued by the ‘My guy vs. your guy’ merry-go-round in here. My question is your question – do the Yankees have the patience and endurance to develop young starting pitching?

    And no one here can answer this presently. The question hangs uneasily in the air.

    We will see.

  480. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    There is mo chance Mitre is the fifth starter.

    This blog gets dumbed down with overanalysis of a ST game.

  481. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Austin, I respect you too much, that’s why I don’t want to get into an argument. I am not worried in the least about Phil’s velocity. He didn’t get hit because of velocity and he didn’t succeed when he did because of velocity. He’ll be fine..

  482. Pat M. March 22nd, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    In the 9th inning he threw 2 fastballs that registered 95….And the reason I noticed was due to the pop from the catcher’s mitt…..I know they showed at least 5 times they displayed 95, in fact Sutcliff was actually speaking of him in a positive light when he whiffed someone with a 95…..It doesn’t matter at this point does it Brandon

  483. Jose March 22nd, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    I do like the improvement on Phil’s change. But we all know when push comes to shove, he will still mainly rely on his fastball/curve combo. With only two pitches and a fastball at 88-91mph, expect more of the same…5.2IP 3R, 3BB 4K’s.

  484. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Joba will be in the rotation by the end of this month.

  485. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Jose March 22nd, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    Austinmac,

    He doesn’t. And without pinpoint control, people will realize his potential.

    Remember when Kevin Millar (of all people) said that his fastball is “very flat?” Pitchers get away with flat fastballs if they throw 93-96 mph. Unfortunately, Phil doesn’t.

    And I am not just basing this off this spring. He is consistently at 88-91 when he starts. Without a quality 3rd pitch, he won’t be anything more than a #4-5 starter.

    Phil is 92-94 when he starts.

  486. Erin March 22nd, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    BryanHoch #Yankees send down Eduardo Nunez, Reegie Corona, Jorge Vazquez & Brandon Laird. 2 minutes ago

  487. Jerkface March 22nd, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    If Hughes only throws 88-91 why was his average velocity as a starter 92.4?

  488. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Gonna see how Matsui looks in the field :(

  489. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    I think they have the patience to integrate one young arm into the rotation.

    They don’t have the patience (or desire) to integrate 2 in one season because the division is too tough and it was a disaster when they did it with 2 in 2008.

    If they were comfortable puttting both into the rotation this year, they wouldn’t have made the Vazquez trade.

  490. S.o.S. March 22nd, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    Solution to this fuss.
    Daily pitchers lineup.
    Totem pole competition.

    1st inning C.C.
    2nd Burnett
    3rd Pettitte
    4th Vasquez
    5th Hughes
    6th Chamberlain
    7th Aceves
    8th MO
    9th MO
    (innings job subject to change without any advanced notice)
    Repeat daily and hope for some rain and some makeup days.

  491. Gary 45 March 22nd, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    Jose,

    If his velocity stays in the 88-91 range, you are absolutely right. And we saw that first hand in 2008, he is mediocre with that velocity.

    We’re banking on him sitting 92-94 eventually. When he does, he can be pretty solid. Right now, his velocity is not a problem, but it can’t stay like this forever or he’s in trouble.

  492. Erin March 22nd, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    BryanHoch Don’t read too much into Hughes’ 3 HRs. Wind helped, and Girardi thought it was his best stuff all spring. My best guess today – Phil wins. about 1 minute ago

  493. Patrick March 22nd, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    When healthy Phil sits 91-93, touching 94-96. That is plenty velocity considering the amount of movement he puts on the ball and his stellar command of the strike zone. His curve is also a plus-plus pitch and his change is quickly becoming above average. His fourth pitch, the cutter is adequate.

    Bottom line, if he can put it all together, Phil is a #1 starter.

  494. becca March 22nd, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    “Joba is going to the pen as the heir to Mariano. He has a reliever mentality and he was great in the WS in the pen. And simply, he is not a better starter right now than Hughes is and this spring has proved it. He had to be better than Hughes to win the job and he hasn’t been.”

    Like when Joba gave up a game-tying HR to Pedro Feliz?

    And seriously, how has Hughes been a better starter than Joba?

  495. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    Patrick

    I think his Cutter is ahead of his change.

  496. S.o.S. March 22nd, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Why are we discussing only Hughes and Chamberlain?

    Burnett looked pretty awful today, someone complain about him please.
    ==========

    Time to trade Mitre for Molina!! Its really a 2 for 1 trade. You not only get Molina in return. But you also get a #2 starter that throws like a 2 in return.

  497. baseballfab March 22nd, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    M. Rivera has hamstring injury??

  498. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    Bodh, I also think fans have to have patience as well. It’s not a big deal that Phil made a few bad pitches and it was not a big deal when Joba got hit around his first couple of starts. Even the best pitchers get hit – it happens. Phil showed enormous potential – and he has developed a nice change relatively quickly. As important, he’s got the confidence to throw it. I’m happy for BOTH kids.

  499. Carl March 22nd, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    S.o.S.

    Hammels also.

  500. Jay March 22nd, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    New Post ——>

  501. Andrew March 22nd, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    So Brandon your grand proclamations now include Joba being in the rotation by the end of March and Randy Winn being released from the team by the end of June. You are off to a hot start Nostradamus, I’m sure you will come out and openly acknowledge/accept that you were wrong, when you are in fact proven wrong on one or both, or more, of your predictions that you pass off as facts don’t come true.

  502. Jose March 22nd, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Patrick,

    A #1 starter for who??? The Nats or Pirates…maybe

  503. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Girardi is right. It was his best stuff of the Spring.

    But, what does he know. He’s only the manager.

    All you radar gun freaks need to exhale. There is much more to pitching than the radar gun.

    His stuff is swing and miss stuff. Plenty good enough to be a good starting pitcher on any team.

  504. MTU(aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    I was GBU

    I am GBU

    And I will be GBU.

    Until the last domino falls.

    I am both not either, or neither.

    I wont downgrade one at the expense of the other.

    They are BOTH on the Yankees development plane. :)

  505. RayVT March 22nd, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Jerkface
    March 22nd, 2010 at 4:35 pm
    If Hughes only throws 88-91 why was his average velocity as a starter 92.4?

    Don’t be confusing us with facts! LOL! The reason is that ESPN likes to exagerate numbers of players they like. Joba really throws 110 mph, but the gun on him has a governor that keeps it from reading higher than 93 mph. It is just a ST thingy!


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