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Today’s intrasquad game

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This morning’s intrasquad game is going to be the sort of thing you only find in spring training. The same group of fielders will play defense for each “team” of pitchers. The fielders won’t hit and the hitters won’t field, except for the catchers, who will do both. The hitters will run the bases.

Basically, pitch to pitch, it will be like a normal game — live hitter at the plate, live fielders in the field — but everything else will be played under a different set of rules. It will look and feel like a real game for the pitchers, and that’s all that matters.

I doubt it’s a coincidence that Marcus Thames is facing the two left-handed pitchers. I assume Randy Winn is in both lineups so that he can hit both right-handed and left-handed.

Team Pettitte
Pitchers: Andy Pettitte, Mariano Rivera, Damaso Marte, Dave Robertson
Catcher: Mike Rivera
Hitters (facing team Joba): Juan Miranda, Randy Winn, Mike Rivera, Jon Weber, Jamie Hoffmann

Team Joba
Pitchers: Joba Chamblerlain, Chan Ho Park
Catcher: Austin Romine
Hitters (facing team Pettitte): Marcus Thames, Randy Winn, Austin Romine, Reid Gorecki, Greg Golson

Defensive players
A lot of these names will be completely unfamiliar. They’re all lower-level minor leaguers, and thankfully, Kyle Higashioka was in camp for the day to catch bullpen sessions and agreed to identify everyone.

INF Addison Maruszak, INF Jimmy Paredes, INF Jose Mojica, INF Emerson Landoni, INF Kelvin Castro, OF Nathan Aron, OF Judd Golsan and 1B Luke Murton.

I know that’s too many infielders and not enough outfielders, but those are the names I was given. There might have been another outfielder who wasn’t standing with the group. It really won’t matter too much. All of these guys are playing a second game this afternoon at the minor league complex.

UPDATE, 10:02 a.m.: Limits for each pitcher: Pettitte and Chamberlain (5-6 innings, 75-80 pitches), Park (2 innings, 35 pitches), Rivera, Marte and Robertson (1 inning, 25 pitches).

Not sure who it is, but there’s an actual umpire here to call balls and strikes.

Top of the first: It seems that the lineups are subject to change. This really is like a minor league spring training game. The lineup Pettitte faced went like this: Golson, Winn, Thames, Gorecki, Weber, Golson, Miranda.

Golson: Struck out looking.
Winn: Clean single to center.
Thames: Single between third and short, might have been an out against a big league defense, but I tend to think it would have gotten through.
Gorecki: Fly out to right.
Weber: Single, RBI.
Golson: Hard-hit double to the wall in left-center. Two runs scored.
Miranda: Struck out looking.

That’s three earned runs on four hits with two strikeouts for Pettitte.

Bottom of the first: Chamberlain pitching.

Winn: Fly out to center field.
Hoffmann:  Clean single up the middle on a 3-0 pitch.
Rivera: Grounded into a 5-4-3 double play after several pickoff throws from Chamberlain, who stayed on the field to give his third baseman a glove slap for a pretty solid play.

That’s one hit, no earned runs and no strikeouts for Chamberlain.

Top of the second: Pettitte pitching. Looks like the infielders are going to rotate in and out. They seem pretty interchangeable, and so far they’ve played pretty well.

Weber: Struck out looking.
Thames: Ground out to short.
Gorecki: E-7. The left fielder simply could not track down a routine fly ball. Gorecki got to second.
Romine: Infield single. Tough play for the third baseman, runner to third.
Winn: Fielder’s choice, 6-4.

Should have been a 1-2-3 inning for Pettitte. Instead  he stranded runners at the corners. He’s thrown 35 pitches, 25 for strikes.

Bottom of the second: Chamberlain pitching. Just noticed CC Sabathia sitting among the coaches, watching Pettitte and Chamberlain.

Miranda: Ground out, 3-1.
Hoffmann: Ground out 4-3 after a good at-bat.
Winn: Doubled to center field.
Weber: Ground out, 4-3.

Good inning for Chamberlain. He had Winn in the hole 0-2 before giving up the hit to center field.

Top of the third: Pettitte pitching.

Thames: Single to left.
Golson: Struck out swinging.
Gorecki: Single up the middle, runner to second.
Hoffmann: Fielder’s choice, 6-4, runner advanced to third.
Romine: 5-3.

After getting knocked around in the first inning, Pettitte has looked pretty good in the past two. He’s throwing a lot of strikes.

Bottom of the third: Chamberlain pitching.

Miranda: Flied out to right.
Winn: First-pitch single to left.
Rivera: Double play, 5-4-3.

Chamberlain is at 42 pitches, 27 strikes. Three hits, no walks and no strikeouts through three innings. He’s gotten two double plays.

Top fourth: Pettitte pitching. He threw eight pitches, all strikes this inning, which ended with one out and runners at first and second.

Thames: Single to shallow center.
Golson: Single to center, runner to second. The CF made a bad play on the ball. Might have been an out against a big league outfielder.
Weber: Struck out.

Pettitte is finished after 3.1 innings. He threw 66 pitches, 45 for strikes.

Bottom fourth: Chamberlain pitching.

Gorecki: Double to right, took third on an error by the RF.
Hoffmann: Walked.
Miranda: Hard-hit double to right. Both runs scored.
Thames: Popped out to the first baseman in foul territory.
Weber: Struck out looking.

Chamberlain’s inning was over after the Weber strikeout. It ended with Miranda still at second.

Top of the fifth: Apparently the fourth inning wasn’t Pettitte’s last after all. He’s back out there for the fifth. Maybe they wanted him to have to sit down and get going again. I don’t know. Weird.

Winn: Fly out to deep center field.
Thames: Struck out swinging.
Romine: Single up the middle.
Golson: Single to left.
Gorecki: Infield single. The shortstop hesitated as if considering going to second. Probably should have been an out.

Doesn’t matter whether it should have been an out on the Gorecki grounder, because that was Pettitte’s final pitch of the inning. He walked off with two outs and the bases loaded. Counting outs instead of “innings” Pettitte’s line is: 4 IP, 12 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 0 BB, 6 K. He threw 80 pitches, 54 for strikes.

Bottom fifth: Chamberlain pitching.

Hoffmann: Singled to right.
Miranda: Grounded into a 4-6-3 double play.
Rivera: Popped out to the catcher in foul territory.
Golson: Popped out to the third baseman in foul territory.

That’s a four-out inning for Chamberlain. Assuming he’s done Chamberlain’s line is: 5 innings, 6 hits, 2 runs, 2 earned runs, 1 walk and 1 strikeout. He threw 75 pitches, 48 for strikes.

Top sixth: Mariano Rivera pitching.

Gorecki: Singled up the middle on a 2-2 pitch. Took second on a passed ball.
Thames: Fly out to right.
Romine: Ground out.
Winn: Struck out looking.

That should be it for Rivera, 22 pitches, 16 strikes. He allowed the one hit.

Bottom sixth: Chan Ho Park pitching.

Thames: Ground out to short.
Rivera: Struck out swinging.
Winn: Struck out swinging.
Gorecki: Struck out swinging.

Park got his first three out, including two strikeouts, on just nine pitches. He then struck out Gorecki on four pitches.

Top seventh: Damaso Marte pitching.

Winn: Single to center.
Thames: Struck out.
Minor leaguer*: Grounded into a 5-4-3 double play.
Gorecki: Doubled.
Minor leaguer*:  Walked
Romine: Fly out to center.

* The Yankees twice sent one of the minor league fielders up to hit. I have no idea who it was, but he was a lefty.

Bottom seventh: Park pitching.

UPDATE, 12:29 p.m.: Sorry for the lack of updates on Park’s second inning and Robertson’s inning. I had to go downstairs for interviews, now I have 30 minutes to get to Clearwater. I’ll start updating again when I get there.

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138 Responses to “Today’s intrasquad game”

  1. randy l. March 22nd, 2010 at 10:00 am

    in 1969, catcher john ellis , at age 20, came up to the yankees big league team and stayed in the major leagues for the next 13 years.

    the problem for him was another catcher who was a few years older than him came up at the same time, thurman munson.

    ellis was blocked behind munson and was traded to cleveland where he became their starting catcher and had a very good year right away.

    oh, and he was traded to cleveland for some guy named nettles.

    having a multitude of catchers has happened before and while seeming to be a problem can be a very good thing.

    oh, one other thing, rick dempsey became the back up the next year after ellis left.

    it’s catcher deja vu all over again.

    who’s going to be the new nettles this time?

  2. Mike_Boston March 22nd, 2010 at 10:00 am

    Hey Chad, any validity to the report that Joba’s pen bound already?

  3. Andrew March 22nd, 2010 at 10:00 am

    That umpire there for the intrasquad game is probably Marty Foster

  4. Bronx Jeers March 22nd, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Not sure who it is, but there’s an actual umpire here to call balls and strikes.
    ——————————————-

    Marty Foster of course!

  5. Erin March 22nd, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Ledger_Yankees Kevin Towers, Brian Cashman, Billy Eppler and longtime scout Bill Livesy watching intrasquad behind home plate. 10 seconds ago

  6. JohnC March 22nd, 2010 at 10:02 am

    I beleive Nathan Aron is one of the Austrailan kids we signed 2 years ago. The other was a young catcher Kyle Perkins.

  7. Erin March 22nd, 2010 at 10:02 am

    Not sure who it is, but there’s an actual umpire here to call balls and strikes.

    ***************************
    It’s probably Foster ;)

  8. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 10:02 am

    Chad, if Joba is supposed to go 5 or 6 innings, what do the Yankees expect of Phil as he’s following AJ? At best Phil can maybe go 4 innings- possibly more if AJ tires.

  9. Coach6423 March 22nd, 2010 at 10:10 am

    Pettite not faring too well…

  10. Tom in NJ March 22nd, 2010 at 10:10 am

    “who’s going to be the new nettles this time”

    Who’s going to be the next Bill Lee? :wink:

  11. CountryClub March 22nd, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Betsy,

    If they need Hughes to throw an “extra inning” on the side, that’s what they’ll do. The 4 innings he throws in the real game will be plenty to see how his stuff is today (for the supposed competition).

  12. pat March 22nd, 2010 at 10:16 am

    Betsy

    If it makes you feel any better, Phil currently has more innings pitched in ST than Joba so maybe that was taken into consideration for todays assignments.

  13. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 10:16 am

    Good point, Country Club. Andy’s doing badly? Clearly he can’t pitch against good teams.

  14. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Pat, is that true? I guess because Joba struggled early…..

  15. blake March 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 am

    MTU,

    From the previous thread, I see where you are coming from but if they did make the decision strictly based on 3 weeks worth of ST info then I don’t really think that’s a great or fair thing either.

  16. m March 22nd, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Thanks for everything, Chad.

    One request, though. Can you ask Kevin Towers if they’re going to give that big, chunky Cajun lefty a roster spot?

    Hopefully, he’ll ignore the small sample size. I hear good things about that Pettitte kid.

  17. randy l. March 22nd, 2010 at 10:20 am

    on another interesting note in the 1969 plethora was that jake gibbs was the primary catcher, but there was another guy i have no recollection of, Frank Fernandez.

    fernandez caught 65 games and hit .223, but get this,he was a moneyball player way ahead of his time; his OBP was .399.

    i have no recollection of this guy. strange.

    oh , it was 1969.

    riiiiight :)

  18. Coach6423 March 22nd, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Joba with a 12 pitch first. Hoffman had a single, Rivera grounded into a 543 dp.

  19. CountryClub March 22nd, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Chad is giving a play by play above in the blog (for those that didnt know).

  20. Rich on the 6 train March 22nd, 2010 at 10:23 am

    Couple of things:

    * How can you judge a pitcher from our standpoint in an intrasquad. The defense is not mlb caliber. The catcher is not a batterymate that they are familiar.

    * Pettitte has had hardly any time against opponents. Does this hurt his progress?

    * Why wouldn’t the Yanks want to use a DH today. Why risk the pitcher.

  21. m March 22nd, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Why wouldn’t the Yanks want to use a DH today?

    Maybe Girardi has tomorrow in the AJ to DL pool? ;)

  22. MTU (aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Blake-

    I have said all I want to about it for now. I think you know where I stand on it at the moment.

    Thank you for your response.

  23. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 10:30 am

    Comparing Joba and Phil today is going to be like comparing apples and oranges…

  24. Erin March 22nd, 2010 at 10:30 am

    I don’t think the Yankees chose to play the game today with no DH. They probably weren’t given a choice.

  25. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 10:30 am

    M, I don’t know – unless the Phillies didn’t give them permission to use the DH.

  26. pat March 22nd, 2010 at 10:30 am

    “Why wouldn’t the Yanks want to use a DH today?”

    Home team makes the rules.

  27. m March 22nd, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Betsy,

    They’ve been comparing these two guys for years. I don’t think they could simulate the same playing conditions even if they wanted to.

    I thought Joba would be facing the starters that didn’t go to Clearwater. And I kind of wondered to myself if the Yankees would ask the Phillies to keep their starters in for an extra at-bat?

  28. RayVT March 22nd, 2010 at 10:33 am

    MTU (aka GBURL)
    March 22nd, 2010 at 9:54 am

    1st we don’t know a decision for the 5th SP has been decided. 2nd, the Yanks are looking at more than the results of a SP outing. They are looking at the pitches thrown and the quality of the pitches. How many strikes and location, location, location! Also, how many pitches they command. How the change-up is working. How their consisitent their windup is for all pitches.

    Lastly, a decision now means little later as well. If Joba indeed goes to the pen now, he easily could be back in midseason or sooner or next year. (Same with Phil.)

    As SJ and others have been saying, Joba is most likely to go to the pen to work out his motion, windup and gain his confidence back. He excelled there earlier and should again.

    (re-post)

  29. m March 22nd, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Oh! I was under the impression that all the teams we faced this spring had given their permission.

    And that Girardi wanted to win that pool. ;)

  30. CountryClub March 22nd, 2010 at 10:35 am

    The Yankees arent really looking at results today. They want to see what their stuff looks like (velocity, bite on breaking pitches, etc…). Hughes could give up a couple of runs to real players today and still have the better day.

  31. m March 22nd, 2010 at 10:36 am

    BTW, why don’t we play Boston this spring? Aren’t we in the same league?

    And did you guys know that there’s a NYY Futures v. NYY game this spring?

  32. NYYROC March 22nd, 2010 at 10:37 am

    Where else but this blog can you get play by play of an intrasquad game?! Thanks Chad!

  33. Rick March 22nd, 2010 at 10:38 am

    A decision on the 5th starter will be reached within the next few days so they can begin to get adjusted to their between game routines and readiness.

  34. CT23 March 22nd, 2010 at 10:39 am

    how hard is joba throwing?

  35. Erin March 22nd, 2010 at 10:39 am

    m
    March 22nd, 2010 at 10:36 am

    And did you guys know that there’s a NYY Futures v. NYY game this spring?

    ************************
    Yes, I remember Chad had something about that when the ST schedule was released.

  36. Erin March 22nd, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Just noticed CC Sabathia sitting among the coaches, watching Pettitte and Chamberlain.

    ****************************
    That’s cool! :)

  37. Tarheelyank March 22nd, 2010 at 10:43 am

    MTU
    I think it’s a little of all of the above. I believe the Yankees have a strong inclination as to who is going to get the job.

    As for today, Who they are pitching to, or even the results are not important. It’s as Ray said, it’s the quality of pitches thrown. In other words, if Phil gives up a bloop double, and Joba gives up a screaming liner for an out, they will take all of that into consideration.

    You are a smart person, just be patient. I can almost guarantee that the 5 starters who begin the year, will not pitch the whole year. There will be opportunities for both. Let’s hope the Yankees can figure out a way to keep both ready, and not just relegate the loser to the pen.

  38. MTU (aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Ray-

    I always try my best to be polite and to respect other people’s opinions.

    I thank you for your response.

    But I think you misunderstand the source of my concern.

    It is not that Joba goes to the BP.

    It is just that I am angry with myself for being naive enough to actually believe that the fifth starter competition
    was free of predispositions regarding Phil and Joba.

    I question that now. I wonder about the quality of the data that is going into making this decision, etc.

    And unlike some I find it wanting.

    Was there ever an open, honest, and complete competition?

    As of now I am left wondering. Others are free to come to their own conclusions.

    Everyone has their own take on the matter.

    I am not my usual light-hearted self on this one. Sorry.

  39. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 10:45 am

    must be a rushed intrasquad gm.

  40. eric March 22nd, 2010 at 10:46 am

    hey all… is the 1 pm game being televised on yes?

  41. tex's friend March 22nd, 2010 at 10:47 am

    CC is the man.

  42. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 10:47 am

    Nice to see Golson hitting for power, I see Randy Winn is prbly getting beach balls thrown down the middle to him.

  43. Erin March 22nd, 2010 at 10:49 am

    eric
    March 22nd, 2010 at 10:46 am
    hey all… is the 1 pm game being televised on yes?

    *****************************
    I’m not sure if it’s on YES, but somebody told me it’s on ESPN.

  44. Fran (the original) and OPPC member March 22nd, 2010 at 10:49 am

    Eric,

    YES is televising the 1:00 game.

  45. MTU (aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 10:55 am

    Tar-

    Thank you for the thoughtful response.

  46. stuckey March 22nd, 2010 at 10:57 am

    “Was there ever an open, honest, and complete competition?”

    In terms of the Yankees goals for 2010, if there never really was one, is that necessarily a bad thing?

  47. MTU (aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 10:58 am

    Stuckey-

    For me, yes. I won’t bore anyone with why.

  48. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 11:01 am

    Of course there are preconcieved ideas going in.

    Do you really think the Yankees want Chad Gaudin or Sergio Mitre to be the 5th starter?

    They want either Joba or Phil to win the job. It’s on their long term best interests to have one of them in the rotation.

    You have a competition because it brings out the best in everybody.

    It gives the Yankees possible trade options and you see how guys respond to being challenged.

    Folks are hopelessly naive if they believe the Yankees didn’t have a pecking in terms of which guys they want to prevail in the competition.

    The ST games are probably the smallest component in the evaluation process.

    That’s why focusing to much on the games doesn’t necessarily give you a window into their thinking.

  49. stuckey March 22nd, 2010 at 11:03 am

    “For me, yes. I won’t bore anyone with why.”

    I wouldn’t have asked if I didn’t want to know.

  50. Tarheelyank March 22nd, 2010 at 11:05 am

    “Was there ever an open, honest, and complete competition?”

    By your defination and mine, not even close.

    By Joe’s defination, He would say yes and not be lying.

  51. m March 22nd, 2010 at 11:05 am

    I don’t know if I can joke with MTU right now. He’s in a pretty serious mood, no?

  52. MTU (aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Stuckey-

    Thanks for having that interest but I must defer for the moment. It is better that I drop it for now. For myself and most probably for others.

    I would just like to reiterate that my concern is not merely about Joba or even Phil going to the pen.

    It is probably more about, as SJ has said, about my apparent
    hopeless naivete about the nature of the Joba/Phil competition. Also about long term development.

    Perhaps, we can revisit the issues at another time ?

  53. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 11:10 am

    If you want an “open and honest” competition, the guy you want to start wouldn’t be in consideration right now since he hasn’t pitched as well as Hughes, Aceves or Mitre all Spring.

    That being the case, I don’t see why you should be complaining about the process.

  54. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 11:10 am

    SJ, as you know, I completely agree with you regarding the competition. I’m having a bit of a hard time grasping what it is the Yankees are looking for from either Joba or Phil. Well, ok – we know they wanted Joba to work more inside and for Phil to work on his change. Aside from that, how do you judge these kids without looking at results ? What the Yankees really need to do, I guess, is look into their crystal ball and decide which kid they think is going to be the better starter for them this year, regardless of whether he gets smacked around his last start or not. Who is the pitcher better prepared to give the team quality starts ? I hope their crystal ball is working.

  55. randy l. March 22nd, 2010 at 11:12 am

    “What do you think about what I said above about the 5th starter decision ?”

    mtu-

    i’m more concerned with getting my handicap below an 8 after almost a decade away from the game.

    seriously, if the yankees biggest concern is who is going to be the fifth starter and the choice is between hughes and joba, that means the yankees are in very good shape.

    as a matter of fact they are loaded and we only need to see how it shakes out as the season unfolds.

    i’m coasting right now and waiting till the real games start and we BEGIN to see what we have.

    in other words , it’s spring training and for a team like the yankees, it’s for getting in shape and staying healthy.

    i’m guessing it’ll be hughes as the fifth starter and joba to the pen, but it wouldn’t be a shocker if it was the other way around.

  56. blake March 22nd, 2010 at 11:13 am

    Sounds like Joba is throwing the ball well. whether he’s the 5th starter or not, the Yankees are going to be much better off if he continues to perform. He’s an important cog no matter where he ends up.

  57. stuckey March 22nd, 2010 at 11:14 am

    “Perhaps, we can revisit the issues at another time ?”

    Of course, anytime you like. But I’d preemptively make the point that what’s “honest”, “open” and even “virtuous” is not necessarily “good” for the Yankees, in terms of their off-season and spring training goals.

    I know some fans of either/or players would be upset if their guy wasn’t given an “equal” shot, if the deck was stacked against him from the start, but I’d argue that has more to do with a fan’s preference and less to do with what’s good for the Yankees and what’s necessarily good for the players.

  58. MTU (aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 11:16 am

    SJ-

    I normally do not, as you say, “complain” so you must know there are other issues in play for me on this one.

    I prefer to leave it at that for now if you don’t mind.

    That’s all. Let’s just drop it please. Let’s move on.

  59. m March 22nd, 2010 at 11:17 am

    blake,

    Great post. I want Phil to start, but I also want Joba to get right. Joba returning to form would be phenomenal.

    And very likely, the “loser” will end up having the “better” season out of the bullpen. Of course, some will say, “see? he should’ve been the the starter!” :lol:

  60. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 11:17 am

    Betsy,

    you look for fastball command and improvement of their secondary pitches.

    You look at health and where you believe each guy fits best for your team.

    It’s Baseball Evaluation 101.

    Fans, no matter how many times are shown the games are meaningless, focus too much on ST games. They can’t help it.

    Baseball people look to the entire work product. The stuff we don’t see, bullpens, side sessions, extra work, etc.

    They take ALL of the data, not just innings in meaningless games, and make roster decisions.

  61. m March 22nd, 2010 at 11:20 am

    Chad, do you have a pitch count for Joba?

  62. Frank March 22nd, 2010 at 11:21 am

    Joba = 61 pitches thru 4 IP

  63. m March 22nd, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Thanks, Franks!

  64. CountryClub March 22nd, 2010 at 11:25 am

    80 pitches for Pettitte. Next start he’ll get up to 90 – 95 and then he’s ready for the season. Good stuff.

  65. tex's friend March 22nd, 2010 at 11:26 am

    any update on joba’s speed? is it safe to assume he isnt gassing 98mph fastballs up there?

  66. m March 22nd, 2010 at 11:28 am

    That’s 3 DP’s? Would be interesting to find out what he’s throwing.

  67. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 11:30 am

    SJ, thanks! I admit I’m one of those people who “can’t help it”, but I’m trying hard not to be one, lol.

  68. pat March 22nd, 2010 at 11:33 am

    With Sundays rain out and tomorrows off day, a few players will have gone 4-5 days without seeing live pitching.

    Surprised more starters aren’t making the short trip to Clearwater today.

  69. steveoh March 22nd, 2010 at 11:41 am

    So what does everyone think of Heyman’s tweet here:

    http://twitter.com/SI_jonHeyman

    joba is out of #yanks rotation derby. RT @JackCurryYES: No Joba-Hughes showdown Mon. Hughes will face Phils. Joba will work intrasquad game

    Does he have inside info, or is this more of an opinion? (it seems to be stated as fact)

    Chad? Sam?

  70. stuckey March 22nd, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Steve,

    Limitation of Twitter. Heyman would have followed up with a full article and the rest of the Yankees press would be all over the story if either it was confirmed by Heyman by the Yankees, or even if his colleagues thought he was reporting that a unnamed source told him.

    It was his conjecture. The lack of response to it by anyone – including himself – is the giveaway.

  71. Coach6423 March 22nd, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Its his oppinion based on the fact that Joba pitched in the intrasquad, and Phil pitched in the Phillies game. Irresponsible tweeting, but with Heyman, nothing new.

  72. Alan March 22nd, 2010 at 11:45 am

    This about the time of ST that GM’s are getting curious with other GM’s about availability of players as rosters are paring down.
    Many scouts are watching the work of Mitre and Gaudin knowing full well that at least one of them is likely to be used in a deal.

  73. blake March 22nd, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Chad, any instant analysis on how Joba looked obtaining that line because that’s what really matters.

  74. Nick in SF March 22nd, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Is Mariano closing for both sides? He could strike out Winn twice.

    /Brandon’d

  75. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 11:47 am

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....nkees.html

  76. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 11:48 am

    Park looking sweet…

  77. m March 22nd, 2010 at 11:50 am

    I’ll echo blake’s request.

    74-75 pitches for 5 IP is economical (nice to see). Aided of course by the 3 double plays. Only 1 BB also nice.

    Seems like a good outing for Joba, kind of like his last one? Stayed around the plate. Economical. Some shoddy OF defense.

  78. Yanks 97 March 22nd, 2010 at 11:51 am

    Not a good outing for Joba.

    6 hits and a walk and only 1 strikeout against hitters who are not even guarenteed to be on MLB rosters?

    Looks like all Hughes has to do is be decent today to ice this thing once and for all.

  79. Chad Jennings March 22nd, 2010 at 11:52 am

    I thought Joba looked sharp. There’s not radar here, so I don’t know how hard he was throwing, but he was generally throwing strikes and didn’t allow much solid contact. A ton of ground balls today.

  80. Nick in SF March 22nd, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Ouch, I made my ‘joke’ before I scrolled up to see that Winn did, in fact, strike out twice in that inning.

    I am pro-Winn, but now I look like just another loser who ragged on a player. :(

  81. JJ March 22nd, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Nice line for Hoffmann today.

  82. CountryClub March 22nd, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Bottom sixth: Chan Ho Park pitching.

    Thames: Ground out to short.
    Rivera: Struck out swinging.
    Winn: Struck out swinging.
    Gorecki: Struck out swinging.
    —————

    If Park’s stint in the pen last yr was for real, he’s going to be a big addition this yr.

  83. m March 22nd, 2010 at 11:55 am

    haha, Nick.

    You get a pass. Because Winn needs all the support he can get vs. Brandon’s voodoo.

  84. blake March 22nd, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Sounds like a positive day for Jobber.

  85. steveoh March 22nd, 2010 at 11:57 am

    stuckey March 22nd, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Steve,

    Limitation of Twitter. Heyman would have followed up with a full article and the rest of the Yankees press would be all over the story if either it was confirmed by Heyman by the Yankees, or even if his colleagues thought he was reporting that a unnamed source told him.

    It was his conjecture. The lack of response to it by anyone – including himself – is the giveaway.

    # Coach6423 March 22nd, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Its his oppinion based on the fact that Joba pitched in the intrasquad, and Phil pitched in the Phillies game. Irresponsible tweeting, but with Heyman, nothing new.

    Yeah, if it’s just his opinion, he should have at least prefaced it with an “IMO” (in my opinion).

  86. Rich on the 6 train March 22nd, 2010 at 11:58 am

    Its ashame there was a rainout. Was Eiland and Joe watching?

    I know Andy is a solidified vet., but I bet he would like more real game work.

  87. Alan Slocum March 22nd, 2010 at 11:59 am

    There still seems to be way too many people in big league camp. Its getting late. Can’t forget to get the “A” team ready. Time to make decisions and move on.

  88. ray March 22nd, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Chad. Can you get any comments from these hitters or pitchers as to what its like to face a teammate. Can they give 100%n etc?

  89. Phil the Thrill March 22nd, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Must be weird for these guys to pitch at 10 am.

  90. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    randy l.
    March 22nd, 2010 at 10:20 am
    jake gibbs was the primary catcher, but there was another guy i have no recollection of, Frank Fernandez.

    fernandez caught 65 games and hit .223, but get this,he was a moneyball player way ahead of his time; his OBP was .399.on another interesting note in the 1969 plethora was that

    i have no recollection of this guy. strange.

    oh , it was 1969.

    riiiiight

    ————————————————————

    Randy, Fernandez was a catcher first baseman type. What I remember was power and low average. In a roundabout way, he was traded and the Yankess got Sparky Lyle. He was traded to Oakland with Al Downing for Danny Cater and some minor leaguer. Cater was traded to Boston for Lyle the next year. Fernandez is a retired NY fireman.

  91. blake March 22nd, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Thanks for taking the time to type out the live updates Chad. You’re the best.

  92. Joe from Long Island March 22nd, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    GB – Why am I not surprised you knew that?

  93. stuckey March 22nd, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Here’s hoping Hughes does the Phillies dirty today and the people who want closure on this are driven crazy for a few more days…

  94. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 22nd, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    I don’t think Phil has to be dominant against the Phillies to have a shot at the #5 spot…

  95. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    “Coach6423 March 22nd, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Its his oppinion based on the fact that Joba pitched in the intrasquad, and Phil pitched in the Phillies game. Irresponsible tweeting, but with Heyman, nothing new.”
    ********************************
    Continent was ripped by Fatcessa for this, doubt he has the you know what to rip Heyman.

  96. stuckey March 22nd, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Neither do I Betsy. I just hope he’s very good because BOTH of them being very good is a good thing.

  97. blake March 22nd, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Buck Showalter just said the underrated move of the offseason will be Randy Winn, said this guy isn’t a 4th outfielder.

  98. Mike March 22nd, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Man Damaso Marte has had a LONG 1\2 inning…. Chas hasn’t updated in almost 30 minutes… wonder how many runs he has given up

  99. blake March 22nd, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    If Phil has a great performance against the Phils today then “closure” might be happening sooner rather than later.

  100. stuckey March 22nd, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    But how’s the possible Blake?

    He’s batting just .167 in 24 ST AB’s

    Doesn’t that mean he stinks?

  101. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    I’ll say this right now Joba will be the #5 SP

  102. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    “Buck Showalter just said the underrated move of the offseason will be Randy Winn, said this guy isn’t a 4th outfielder.”

    Buck has been wrong from time to time.

  103. blake March 22nd, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Stuckey,
    Oh yea I forgot.

  104. Rich on the 6 train March 22nd, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    We should know after Mitre’s next time out who will be number 5.

    I think Gaudin will be in Seattle or Arizona before the season starts. Unless they get a great package for Mitre.

    Hope Hughes makes it an easy decision today and pitches very well.

  105. upstate kate March 22nd, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    stuckey
    what closure? this debate will go on all season and into next, no matter who gets the 5th spot :)

  106. GC March 22nd, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Buck’s right, Winn’s not a fourth outfielder- he’s a AAA filler at this point. I see no redeeming reason for him to be taking up roster space.

    I love Phil as much as anyone, but I’m gonna be rooting for him to get hammered tonight. Its not that he wouldn’t be a tremendous big league starter this year- because I think he has the stuff to be the second best pitcher on this team right now. But Joba to the bullpen would be the death of the career of an equally talented pitcher who has done nothing to show that he is not capable of handling a full time starting role this year. If Phil goes to the bullpen this year, there’s no doubt in my mind that he’ll be in the rotation in 2011, and may perhaps be better for it. Keeping his innings count low until his age 24-25 seasons can only benefit him especially considering the arm and leg troubles he’s had in the past.

    Chamberlain needs to start, and he needs to start this year. He’s capable of being an elite big league starter, and out of the pen he hasn’t shown this mystique and aura that we hear spoken of all the time since 2007. He was a mediocre reliever in 2008 and an even worse one in the 2009 playoffs. The best stuff he has shown so far in the big leagues, in terms of crispness, pitch diversity, and command, was in a string of 7-8 starts in 2008. I’m confident he can be that guy over a full season and I sincerely hope he gets the chance.

  107. randy l. March 22nd, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    “GB – Why am I not surprised you knew that?”

    joe in long island-

    even though i posted my catching surplus comment being similar to the 1969 yankees over two hours ago, i knew gb7 would be the one who would have something to add on it.

    whoever was the GM back then made some very creative trades with catchers- ellis, dempsey, and fernandez bringing back nettles and sparky lyle

    brian cashman will have a similar opportunity with all the catchers in the system right now.

    gb7-

    i couldn’t believe fernandez’s OBP of .399 after hitting .223.

    i may have missed a few more things in that 1969 time period. being twenty and traveling around in a vw bus in california made newspaper delivery a bit difficult.

  108. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    A kid that was hitting .545 in spring learned he should have hit .700 to be in the running w/ Randy Winn.

  109. E-gawa March 22nd, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Why is the discussion over hughes and joba for the 5th? Hasn’t Aceves looked great this spring? I hope they give it to the guy who looks the best and not the guy who they want to look the best.

  110. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Joe from Long Island
    March 22nd, 2010 at 12:13 pm
    GB – Why am I not surprised you knew that?

    ————————————————————

    When he came up to the Yanks, he was one of the few power hitters they had. Him and Mantle. Tresh and Pepitone were winding down and Fernandez was supposed to be Gibbs slugging replacement down the line. Stars and Stripes had a ’68 run down one the teams (that was a big deal in Vietnam that year). he played 1st base, right field and catcher.

    There was an article a couple of years ago and he was asked about his following the family into the fire fighting business. That’s how I jnew he was a NY fire fighter. Must have been some interesting talks in between fires about replacing the great Mickey Mantle in the line-up, huh?

  111. m March 22nd, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    I’m not rooting for Phil to get hammered, just like I wasn’t rooting for Joba to get hammered.

    Phil deserves the opportunity if he’s earned it just as much as Joba. It’s a shame there aren’t enough slots to accomodate them both, and the Yankees aren’t willing to send either one to Scranton to keep them both starters NOW.

    But that’s the Yankees call.

  112. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Brandon,

    you are smarter than that. Using ST stats as a barometer is ridiculous.

  113. stuckey March 22nd, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    “what closure? this debate will go on all season and into next, no matter who gets the 5th spot :)”

    I hope the starter rocks and 3 ERA and the bullpen guy rocks a 2 ERA and the debate goes on and on… :-)

  114. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    I’m just stating how he had a better ST and Winn is 26 or 30, he’s 36 and looks the pt. and plays the pt. of a 36 yr. old. Also I still can’t believe they demoted a kid hitting above .500. That still boggles my mind.

  115. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    *and Winn isn’t 26 or 30*

  116. Erica - always OPPC - member of the GOTFG - GTLU supporter March 22nd, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    So what am I missing today???

  117. blake March 22nd, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Winn is a good defender, can play all 3 outfield positions and was a really good regular as recent as 2008. If you think 24 ST ABs wipes all that awau then I don’t know what to say other than watch and see..he will be on the team and will play quite a bit I would imagine.

  118. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    randy l.
    March 22nd, 2010 at 12:31 pm
    “GB – Why am I not surprised you knew that?”

    joe in long island-

    even though i posted my catching surplus comment being similar to the 1969 yankees over two hours ago, i knew gb7 would be the one who would have something to add on it.

    whoever was the GM back then made some very creative trades with catchers- ellis, dempsey, and fernandez bringing back nettles and sparky lyle

    brian cashman will have a similar opportunity with all the catchers in the system right now.

    gb7-

    i couldn’t believe fernandez’s OBP of .399 after hitting .223.

    i may have missed a few more things in that 1969 time period. being twenty and traveling around in a vw bus in california made newspaper delivery a bit difficult.

    ————————————————————

    I was trying to remember some of the other can’t miss kids that NYY had at that time, and Ross Moschito (Mantle’s caddy), Joe Verbanic, Rich Beck, Bill Burbach, Tony Solita, Steve Whitaker and Roger Repoz were the guys that I remember. Of course there was Charlie Spikes, Rusty Torres and Jerry Kinney, too.

  119. stuckey March 22nd, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Brandon, you want a kid hitting .500 something in March to get maybe 5-10 AB’s in April?

    Don’t you want that kid getting 4 ABs everyday somewhere?

  120. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 22nd, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Brandon,

    Care to share any objective evidence as to why you think Randy Winn is done as an average to above average baseball player instead of just complaining about his age?

  121. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 22nd, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Without quoting meaningless ST stats?

  122. Joe from Long Island March 22nd, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    GB – ah yes, Moschitto, Repoz, Steve Whitaker – brings back memories of the mid-to-late 60s. I remember Jerry Kinney came up about the same time as Bobby Murcer. I remember one year, 1970?, when Murcer started off the season torrid, then got hurt around Memorial Day, cooled off dramatically after that. Charlie Spikes and Rusty Torres were going to be the next great things….The glory days of CBS ownership….It was a hard time to be a Yankee fan.

  123. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 22nd, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    “Brandon, you want a kid hitting .500 something in March to get maybe 5-10 AB’s in April?

    Don’t you want that kid getting 4 ABs everyday somewhere?”

    Ofcourse I do. But to cut his ST short when the OF options aren’t pushing Gardner makes no sense.

    Blake as for Winn he will be in the Mets or traded or DFA’d by June. There are more better options than Randy Winn to give up a 25th man spot.

  124. stuckey March 22nd, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Colin Curtis:

    1612 2006-2009 mL ABs – .264

    12 2010 Spring Training ABs – .500

    Mind Boogling

  125. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 22nd, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    In his brief minor league career Joba’s GB% was 53.8%

    In 2008 his GB% was right in line with that at 52%

    Last year his GB% significantly reduced to %42.9

    Without watching the game that he is inducing ground balls seems to be a good sign.

  126. Tarheelyank March 22nd, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    “Without quoting meaningless ST stats?”

    LGY

    Meaningless and stats in the same sentence, you are slipping. ;-)

  127. stuckey March 22nd, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Brandon, isn’t Jon Weber and his .550 avg in 20 AB’s still in the big league camp?

  128. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 22nd, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    lol. I guess randy has taken a toll on me.

  129. Erin March 22nd, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Game Post up

  130. MTU (aka GBURL) March 22nd, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Increasing GB rates from Joba indicate either incresed use of a 2 seam FB, increased life on his 4-seamer, or both.

  131. SJ44 March 22nd, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Brandon,

    Randy Winn is neither the 25th man on the team mor is fighting for a roster spot. He has a guaranteed contract and has had the team made since Day 1.

  132. Tarheelyank March 22nd, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    LGY

    Yeah he’s relentless. I fully expect a Livan post any moment now.

  133. RayVT March 22nd, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    stuckey
    March 22nd, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    I think Golson is killing the ball too.

  134. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    Joe from Long Island
    March 22nd, 2010 at 12:50 pm
    GB – ah yes, Moschitto, Repoz, Steve Whitaker – brings back memories of the mid-to-late 60s. I remember Jerry Kinney came up about the same time as Bobby Murcer. I remember one year, 1970?, when Murcer started off the season torrid, then got hurt around Memorial Day, cooled off dramatically after that. Charlie Spikes and Rusty Torres were going to be the next great things….The glory days of CBS ownership….It was a hard time to be a Yankee fan.

    ————————————————————

    Yep…Roy White came up with that same group. He was going to replace Bobby Richardson at 2nd base and Murcer was going to be the shortstop, but, Houk moved him to third base. Murcer always joked about how he knew that he wasn’t long for third base when the fans behind first base would put on batting helmets and yell, “Look out. He’s got it again.” Murcer was a treasure. He learned a lot from Mantle about not taking himself too seriously. Same self-deprecating sense of humor.

  135. Erica - always OPPC - member of the GOTFG - GTLU supporter March 22nd, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Game thread :arrow:

  136. GreenBeret7 March 22nd, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Joe, you’re right. I was a tough time to be a Yankee fan, but, you just couldn’t switch to another team. it’s always been a team that gets into your soul. I’m from Michigan, so, it must have been even moreso for NY natives.

  137. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 22nd, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    Tarheel,

    Don’t tell randy but I have always been a fan of both the Hernandez brothers.

  138. Erick March 22nd, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Hey Mr. Jennings, are you looking for a protege to cover the games while you take care of interviews? As a current college student majoring in Professional Communications, I’d be more than willing to be your intern!

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