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Nine minor leaguers released

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 24, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

A little bit of minor league news while we’re waiting for today’s spring training game against the Nationals.

According Patrick Teale over at Pinstripes Plus, the Yankees have released nine players from minor league camp. The biggest names are infielder Chris Malec and outfielder Seth Fortenberry, each of whom did enough to generate at least a little bit of prospect buzz at some point.

In his five years with the Yankees, Malec walked more than he struck out, good for a .380 on-base percentage. He never hit for much power, though, and he batted just .226 during his brief Triple-A stint last season. Fortenberry had 18 homers and 27 stolen bases with Charleston in 2007, but he hit just .169 last year.

Others released: Mike Lyon, Isaac Harrow, Julian Arballo, Griffin Bailey, Buck Afenir, Dan Miller and Paul Heidler.

 
 

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73 Responses to “Nine minor leaguers released”

  1. MTU (aka GBURL) March 24th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    GB-

    Can’t make you too happy about Fortenberry.:(

  2. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 24th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    Aww, it’s always sad when a dream comes to an end. I hope they can latch on with another team.

  3. blake March 24th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Someone asked this the other night (it may have even been Stuckey) but how good a year would Gardner have to have before they began to view him as a possible long term option in the outfield?

    Most people seem to think the Yankees will pursue Crawford or Werth in the offseason (me included). Crawford is widely considered the best defensive LFer in baseball but most would agree that Gardner with regular playing time COULD possibly become similar to Crawford defensively and on the bases.

    The question is how far offensively would he have to progress for the difference in money between him and Crawford to be more than the difference in production?

  4. rodg12 March 24th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Pat M -
    Not sure if you’re around yet this morning, but vegas watch is blocked here at work. Any other sites I could go to so that I can look at the O/U lines??

  5. Chip March 24th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    While I don’t agree with the idea of sending Joba to the minors – I can see a valid argument on behalf of it:

    1. It keeps him stretched out as a starter.

    If Joba’s in the pen pitching the 8th and either Hughes, AJ, or any other pitcher goes down Joba won’t be ready to step in and start. The Yankees will likely turn to either Mitre or Aceves or whomever is pitching best in the minors. Wouldn’t you rather have Chamberlain?

    2. It allows Joba to work on his other pitches in games

    As a reliever, Joba is going to exclusively use his fastball and slider, both of which are already dominant pitches. If he’s ever to be a top of the rotation starter he needs to develop his other pitches. It’s all well and good to say that he can throw changeups and curveballs in relief situations, but we all know that the first time he gets beat because he was working on his other pitches instead of going with his top stuff this blog is going to explode in anger.

    3. The Yankees do have other options for the 8th.

    Chan Ho Park, David Robertson, Mark Melancon are all relievers, they’ll never be anything but relievers. Maybe they won’t be as dominant as Joba in the 8th but they would be good enough.

    4. I don’t recall who it was that made the point that the Yankees can’t send Joba down because he represents one of their top 8 arms and so logic dictates he comes north. That’s bunk.

    You could argue right now that Jesus Montero is a better hitter than Marcus Thames, but Montero will start in the minors so that he can continue to develop other aspects of his game. So there is precedent to take a lesser player north to allow a greater talent to continue to develop in the minors.

  6. charlestonchew March 24th, 2010 at 10:34 am

    I am pulling for Hughes as #5.

    The kid has himself together and has really worked on his new pitches. His cutter looks more effective than last season and his changeup is surprisingly effective. His curve seems to still be there (though he hung a few last game). His fastball command is lacking, but he should be able to locate it as his arm strength increases. Right now he’s probably just throwing a little hard with a strengthening/healing arm that is a little tired, like everyone else.

    His performance in the last game really excited me, as I’m sure it did for many of you. Joba has looked decent, but he doesn’t have what he used to have. He can probably regain that swagger in the bullpen, but right now it’s lacking. His “stuff” isn’t enough at the moment until he regains that confidence in his fastball, slider, and curve. Once he can do that, he’ll be ready to slot into the rotation. If someone goes down, he could be ready. If not, we’ll see him in 2011.

  7. pete March 24th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    charlestonchew:

    did you (or anybody, for that matter) watch Joba’s outing against the Phils? 5Ks in 4 innings, naaasty slider, good FB. He’s been every bit as good as (if not better than) Hughes for his last two outings.

  8. Pat M. March 24th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    rodg12….That’s the official site ….I don’t understand why it would be blocked, unless your company has something to do with that…..Baseball futures ( Vegas Watch ) is where you need to go……

  9. rodg12 March 24th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Wanted to drop a request to the blog to help out my buddy and fellow Yankee fan make the Vocal Hero of Iowa competition. Please go here:
    http://www.kcwi23.com/vh_watch.php?id=10
    and vote for him. Matt’s a great dude with a young family and has some serious talent (heck of a softball and basketball player as well ;) ). Any votes would be appreciated.

  10. charlestonchew March 24th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Joba has always had a nasty slider, but since I missed the outing, let me ask you this: was he throwing it for strikes?

    People started laying off his slider because he was throwing it in the dirt and all they had to do was wait on his fastball. He didn’t throw the curve or change enough to keep it in the mind of hitters and that’s why he got shelled.

    Joba has better “stuff” on his best two pitches, but he doesn’t have the polished tools to use them as effectively as Hughes. He will have them, but right now he needs to discover a way to work hitters without just overpowering them. Hughes can overpower, but he can also craft his way into strikeouts and groundouts.

    Joba’s almost where Hughes is, but he’s not quite there yet. And there’s a reason for that – Joba rushed through the minors and Hughes spent much more time there. They’ve both seen their share of ML hitters.

  11. SJ44 March 24th, 2010 at 10:46 am

    Chip,

    Joe Girardi has said repeatedly he is taking the best 12 pitchers north. He has also said repeatedly, the guy not in the rotation is setting up Mo.

    If you believe it’s “bunk” take it up with him because he is the guy assigning roles.

    Neither Park, Melancon nor Robertson are viewed by Girardi as being in the mix for the 8th inning at this time.

  12. rodg12 March 24th, 2010 at 10:46 am

    Pat M-
    Yeah, it’s my company that’s blocking it.

  13. Alan March 24th, 2010 at 10:47 am

    It seems to be a foregone conclusion that Carl Crawford will not be paid free agent money by Tampa Bay and they clearly see Desmond Jennings as their next LF.
    Crawford and the Rays will do the politically right thing and say they hope to reach a deal before the filing period in November but it won’t happen.
    Every city Crawford visits in 2010 will find media asking the same question. “Do you expect to sign long term with the Yankees in 2011 ?”

  14. yanksince57 - LET"S ROLL! March 24th, 2010 at 10:48 am

    i didn’t understand why fortenberry was even brought back, but i expected malec to get one last chance at trenton to reestablish his credentials. and it doesn’t look good for a lot of the 25/26 y/o “prospects” cluttering up the system!

  15. Patrick March 24th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    “sometimes opinions can’t be backed up by facts
    sj44 even said that a lot of people believe that joba belongs in the pen ”

    Opinions can be backed up by facts. Why do you think Joba is lost? There must be some reasoning as to why you believe this is true. My point is that throwing around these 1 sentence posts like “Joba looks lost” then not backing it up with anything is completely worthless.

    Not to mention you are just plain clueless. Joba’s last two spring starts have been pretty darn good.

  16. pete March 24th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    charlestonchew: he was throwing it for strikes in both capacities – getting swings on sliders out of the zone and freezing people on sliders in the zone. I suggest you watch the outing I think you’ll be very encouraged.

    Blake: I’d like to see Gardner OBP around .345 or better. I think if he does that, he’ll move over to center in 2011 and the yankees will pass on crawford and try to sign Lee or Beckett instead. With Gardy’s speed, if he OBPs better than .345, he’ll provide roughly league average overall offensive production, which would, if combined with possible +10-+15 defense in center (in 2011 I mean), make him around a 4 win player i’d think. Crawford is typically between 5.5 and 6.5 wins, but he could bank $12 million or more AAV next year, and I just don’t think the upgrade he’d provide would be worth that cost, when that money could be used to upgrade the pitching.

  17. pete March 24th, 2010 at 10:53 am

    SJ44: Yes I agree – at this point it seems unlikely that either joba or hughes is in the minors in 2010. But a man can dream!

  18. rodg12 March 24th, 2010 at 10:55 am

    Pat M-
    I was able to find the lines as of Feb 25th…are those still up to date?

  19. Chip March 24th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    SJ44
    March 24th, 2010 at 10:46 am
    Chip,
    Joe Girardi has said repeatedly he is taking the best 12 pitchers north. He has also said repeatedly, the guy not in the rotation is setting up Mo.
    If you believe it’s “bunk” take it up with him because he is the guy assigning roles.
    Neither Park, Melancon nor Robertson are viewed by Girardi as being in the mix for the 8th inning at this time.
    ——————————

    First off – I’m all for Joba setting up Mo. I have no problem with him being a relief pitcher as I believe he’s best suited for that role.

    Second – You’re mixing things up. If Girardi wants to take Joba north that’s his call and I have no problem with it.

    I agree, Joba is a better arm than Melancon or Robertson or Park; but if that’s what we (not Girardi, but us fools on this blog) are saying qualifies him to come north then THAT’S BUNK since, by that logic, Jesus Montero should be coming north instead of Marcus Thames or Francisco Cervelli.

    And finally – the point of my post was to show that there is a reasonable argument to be made for sending Joba to the minors. That argument is not made moot by simply saying “that’s not what Girardi said he was going to do.”

    We can all read, we all know what Girardi is planning to do – that doesn’t mean the point isn’t open for debate by those who disagree with it.

  20. m March 24th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Olney debating Cano/Pedroia on espn.

  21. tk March 24th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    “Crawford is typically between 5.5 and 6.5 wins”

    According to FanGraphs, 5.5 WAR is his career high (2009).

    http://www.fangraphs.com/stats.....osition=OF

  22. MTU (aka GBURL) March 24th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    m-

    “Olney debating Cano/Pedroia on espn.”

    Talking head time on ESPN.

  23. Chip March 24th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    My point is that throwing around these 1 sentence posts like “Joba looks lost” then not backing it up with anything is completely worthless.

    Tigers are cats with stripes but not all cats with stripes are tigers.

    by that I mean that some opinions can be backed up by facts and then there are others that are based on nothing other than a gut feeling.

    Why do I dislike it when people use “an” before a word starting with the letter “H” as in the phrase “an historic event?” I don’t know, it just bothers me.

  24. Erin March 24th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    m
    March 24th, 2010 at 11:00 am
    Olney debating Cano/Pedroia on espn.

    **************************
    Cano is the winner in my book :D

  25. Aaron March 24th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Tough luck for those guys but why is this relevant?

  26. m March 24th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Wasn’t much of a debate. I guess it was for fantasy. He said they’re both a big product of the offenses around them. Cano has a chance for a big year moving up to the 5-slot (yikes! forgot about that). Matthew Berry said it’s Cano, Cano, Cano. The only thing Pedroia has on Cano is speed, which is overrated now.

    BTW, what is a B-Jobber? I’ve seen it in the RAB comments, and I see it popping up here. Don’t know if it’s a good thing or a bad one.

  27. MTU (aka GBURL) March 24th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    m-

    B-Jobber is someone who believes Joba belongs in the BP.

  28. Erin March 24th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    m
    March 24th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Matthew Berry said it’s Cano, Cano, Cano.

    ************************
    I like Matthew Berry a lot ;)

  29. pete March 24th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    tk – wow that just furthers my point i guess. goes to show what I know though, lol.

    m – a b-jobber is someone who staunchly supports Joba-to-the-Pen but ignores any/all counterarguments, such as Mike Francesa, who says “Jobber” when talking about Joba.

  30. Chip March 24th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    Comparing Cano to Pedroia is as illogical as when people compared Jeter to Alex.

    They’re completely different players who just happen to play the same position. They do everything differently, have different strengths and weaknesses.

    If Cano was asked to do what Pedroia does he would struggle; if Pedroia was asked to do what Cano does, he would struggle in that role.

  31. MTU (aka GBURL) March 24th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    Erin-

    And another thing Cano has that Pedroia doesn’t is “Ninja” mode. :)

  32. bru March 24th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    Patrick

    listen i don’t wan’t to get into a heated argument because what you just don’t understand because you are an idiot is i wan’t joba to do great.

    take a look at joba’s results as a starter for a long time now

    don’t go into your reasoning or anything like that though because i don’t wan’t to hear your opinion

    this is why i say joba looks lost as a starter right now

    joba hasn’t gotten far in a game for a long time among velocity drop,era,whip increase

    you give me a few st innings where he has looked ok at best

    another thing is a decision has to be made between hughes & joba

    if joba was the only one then yes he would be the 5th starter but giving joba the 5th spot puts hughs development on hold not to mention joba can replace mo wich makes him more valuable

    i am not saying joba can’t be a good starter

    i am saying he has been ugly for a while now

  33. I like Inge March 24th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    Cano by a nose. Pedroia is awesome. If he was on the Yankees I’d love the guy. Same thing with Youkilis. They are good guys to despise on the Red Sox but total gamers.

  34. tk March 24th, 2010 at 11:08 am

    “Olney debating Cano/Pedroia on espn.”

    I saw the Cano vs. Pedroia thing being discussed by some guys on ESPN this morning. They both picked Cano. The primary reason I recall was the superiority of the Yankees lineup and the short porch. I would love to hear something a little less superficial, like perhaps they could mention how Pedroia has a career line of .273/.355/.381/.736 on the road?!?

  35. m March 24th, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Oh! Thanks, peoples. How different would Joba’s life be if his name was still Justin? :P

  36. rodg12 March 24th, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Chip,
    You’ve made your points on Joba numerous times. They’ve been called out as not happening. We’re all well aware that you feel that he should go to the minors instead of pitch in the bullpen or be traded instead of made into a full-time reliever. Debating the point ad nauseum with you is both tiresome and tedious. Frankly, it’s annoying that you keep bringing it up.

  37. Erin March 24th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    MTU (aka GBURL)
    March 24th, 2010 at 11:06 am
    Erin-

    And another thing Cano has that Pedroia doesn’t is “Ninja” mode.

    *************************
    Absolutely :D

  38. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 24th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    I might love Joba better if his name was still Justin as Justin is my favorite name EVER.

  39. I like Inge March 24th, 2010 at 11:10 am

    It’s not illogical to compare two guys who play the same position. Plus Jeter and A-Rod comparisons were always funny. Jeter has A-Rod like in no categories. That’s a one-sided comparison.

  40. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 24th, 2010 at 11:10 am

    just kidding, lol – but Justin really is my favorite name ever.

  41. Chip March 24th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    rodg12
    March 24th, 2010 at 11:08 am
    Chip,
    You’ve made your points on Joba numerous times. They’ve been called out as not happening. We’re all well aware that you feel that he should go to the minors instead of pitch in the bullpen or be traded instead of made into a full-time reliever. Debating the point ad nauseum with you is both tiresome and tedious. Frankly, it’s annoying that you keep bringing it up.
    —————————-

    Well first and foremost I don’t believe Joba should go to the minors and I’ve said that numerous times…but that’s not the point.

    I do believe that there are logical reasons that would support him either going to the minors or being traded if the Yankees are going to stash him in the pen. But that’s not the point either.

    The point is you are welcome to your opinion just as I am welcome to mine and if you find debating those opinions with me “tiresome and tedious” then I invite you to ignore them.

  42. rodg12 March 24th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Chip March 24th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    Comparing Cano to Pedroia is as illogical as when people compared Jeter to Alex.

    They’re completely different players who just happen to play the same position. They do everything differently, have different strengths and weaknesses.

    If Cano was asked to do what Pedroia does he would struggle; if Pedroia was asked to do what Cano does, he would struggle in that role.
    ————————————
    LMAO. The discussion was about who would have the better year from a fantasy baseball prospective, I believe. That discussion is far more logical than calling for Joba to be traded for Grady Sizemore or Matt Kemp.

  43. Pat M. March 24th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Rodg12…They are still the current lines, I suspect things will change before the season starts….I have to submit my list my the 31st and whatever the line is at the time, that’s what I’m responsible for….I’m looking for any one’s top 5 ….As I’ve explained in the past, I have to disperse 1,000.00 on all 30 teams….So my plan is to place a 20.00 on 25 teams and the balance on 5 or 6 good picks…..This has proven to be far tougher than I originally anticipated…..So I found this to be the most practical approach……

  44. Chip March 24th, 2010 at 11:16 am

    It’s not illogical to compare two guys who play the same position. Plus Jeter and A-Rod comparisons were always funny. Jeter has A-Rod like in no categories. That’s a one-sided comparison

    Sure it is.

    Jeter and Alex were completely different players who were both short stops. Jeter’s not going to out slug Alex, but then again he was never a middle of the order hitter. He was a top of the lineup table setter, which Alex didn’t do.

    Alex had the better arm at SS, but Jeter had him beat when it came to running back on shallow pop-ups…

    Both are great, but in vastly different ways.

  45. tk March 24th, 2010 at 11:17 am

    “If Cano was asked to do what Pedroia does he would struggle; if Pedroia was asked to do what Cano does, he would struggle in that role.”

    Care to explain this a bit further?

  46. rodg12 March 24th, 2010 at 11:17 am

    Chip March 24th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Well first and foremost I don’t believe Joba should go to the minors and I’ve said that numerous times…but that’s not the point.

    I do believe that there are logical reasons that would support him either going to the minors or being traded if the Yankees are going to stash him in the pen. But that’s not the point either.

    The point is you are welcome to your opinion just as I am welcome to mine and if you find debating those opinions with me “tiresome and tedious” then I invite you to ignore them.
    —————————–
    Man, you like typing…

  47. bru March 24th, 2010 at 11:17 am

    “Joba’s last two spring starts have been pretty darn good”.

    talking about a clueless one liner

    joba has been getting bombed for a long time now,pitches a few decent st innings & a comment like that makes sense

    hughes has had a better st

  48. Patrick March 24th, 2010 at 11:18 am

    bru,

    I’m an idiot? When you learn proper grammar, spelling and capitilization I’ll let you call me an idiot.

  49. Chip March 24th, 2010 at 11:19 am

    The discussion was about who would have the better year from a fantasy baseball prospective, I believe.

    Yes I am now aware of that – at the time I made my post however all that I knew on the subject was that Buster Olney was debating who the better 2b was. And to me, that debate is illogical.

  50. m March 24th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    It may be illogical from a fantasy POV where you want players with certain attributes (i.e. fill up the stat sheets in the categories that help you). But otherwise, it’s not illogical to discuss who would be the better player for 2B.

  51. Coach6423 March 24th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Bombed for a long time now? What the hell are you talking about?

  52. rodg12 March 24th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Pat M. March 24th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Rodg12…They are still the current lines, I suspect things will change before the season starts….I have to submit my list my the 31st and whatever the line is at the time, that’s what I’m responsible for….I’m looking for any one’s top 5 ….As I’ve explained in the past, I have to disperse 1,000.00 on all 30 teams….So my plan is to place a 20.00 on 25 teams and the balance on 5 or 6 good picks…..This has proven to be far tougher than I originally anticipated…..So I found this to be the most practical approach……
    ——————————-
    Ok, cool. I’ll look into these lines then get back to you.

  53. Chip March 24th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    tk
    March 24th, 2010 at 11:17 am
    “If Cano was asked to do what Pedroia does he would struggle; if Pedroia was asked to do what Cano does, he would struggle in that role.”
    Care to explain this a bit further?
    ————————–

    Sure – Pedroia is going to hit in the 2 spot for Boston. He’s perfectly suited to be a number 2 hitter whereas Cano is not. At the same time, Pedroia doesn’t have the power to be a middle of the order bat like Cano will be for the Yankees.

  54. Patrick March 24th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Pedroia is a good player but he’s not great. He has huge home/away splits, mainly because of the green monster. Put him in any other stadium for half his games and he will look pretty average.

    If we are comparing the ability of Pedroia compared to Cano, it’s not even close. Cano is a far better player.

  55. Patrick March 24th, 2010 at 11:23 am

    “Bombed for a long time now? What the hell are you talking about?”

    Just ignore him. bru has proven time and time again on this blog that he is a complete moron.

  56. I like Inge March 24th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    Interesting argument you make Chip. To me if they play the same position might as well size them up and see who is better.

  57. Chip March 24th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    Patrick,

    Obviously as a Yankee fan I’m going to pick Cano over Dustin, and you make a good point with the home/road splits for Pedroia – but Pedroia doesn’t go through the kind of extended cold spells that Robbie does.

  58. Chip March 24th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    To me if they play the same position might as well size them up and see who is better.

    Yeah but there are a lot of instances where two guys who play the same position are both top level players but in different ways.

    Pudge vs. Piazza – in their primes both were the best catchers in baseball, Pudge was clearly the better defensive player but he couldn’t touch Piazza in terms of offensive production – which one was better?

    Alex vs. Jeter – cited above

    Ozzie Smith vs. Cal

    Maddux vs. Clemens

  59. I like Inge March 24th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    Pedroia is a beast for a little dude. He’s is a pain in the @##$ as an at-bat and a great defender. He’s an excellent player. Talent wise Robbie has him but if Yankee fans always talk about intangibles to credit Jeter’s greatness, they should give it up to Pedroia. He’s got heart, stones, and is fearless. Everything you want in a player.

  60. m March 24th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    “I think everybody’s interested,” the Yankees lefty said. “Definitely I’m interested to see what they’re going to do, because it’s not just our fifth starter. It’s going to affect our bullpen too.”

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z0j6mTB1B0

    __________________________________________________________

    I was thinking about this very thing last night. That the players on the team must be at the very least interested and may on some level be secretly rooting for one candidate or another.

    We already know Mo’s & Rivera. Wonder what the starters think? Do they want Phil or Joba setting them up? Either, neither, doesn’t matter?

    The “loser” will definitely benefit from spending a lot of time with Mo. Not a bad consolation “prize”!

  61. I like Inge March 24th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    I got answers for all those. Pudge was better. A-Rod is better. Ripken was better. Clemens was better.

  62. Patrick March 24th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    It’s totally fair to compare two players who play the same position. You are comparing their value – which player gives his team more value at second base? Which pitcher helps his team the most?

    Just because they do it in different ways doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be compared.

    Pedroia steals more bases and has a higher OBP. Cano hits for more power.

  63. m March 24th, 2010 at 11:34 am

    Oops. We already know Mo’s & Jorge’s opinion.

  64. tk March 24th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Sure – Pedroia is going to hit in the 2 spot for Boston. He’s perfectly suited to be a number 2 hitter whereas Cano is not. At the same time, Pedroia doesn’t have the power to be a middle of the order bat like Cano will be for the Yankees.
    ___________________________________

    I see what you’re saying, and Pedroia is better at getting on base. I guess my thought is that just because they have different skill sets doesn’t mean we can’t contrast the value of those skill sets. I just think that Cano’s park neutral offensive contributions are significantly greater than Pedroia’s. I don’t place much importance on where they hit, because that’s just a function of their OBP/SLG skills. So when I compare them I look at the overall value of their output, however it is generated.

    While looking at this, I was surprised by Cano’s home/road splits. In 2005 & 2006 Cano had a higher OPS on the road, since then he has hit demonstrably better at home. 2007 – .866/.816 2008 – .763/.668 2009 – .912/.832 That’s not Pedroia territory, in 2009 his split was .903/.736 and he’s only had one season with an OPS on the road greater than .736. I knew Cano’s career home/away splits were almost identical, so I was surprised by this recent trend.

  65. pat March 24th, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Starting pitchers would probably like both in the pen. More arms to hold and save their wins.

  66. Erin March 24th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    New Post: Just a reminder…

  67. pat March 24th, 2010 at 11:49 am

    I had a chance this morning to read through the pitching conversation from last night. Good stuff.

    Part of what is great about this blog is learning from others who have more experience in areas on and off the field than I do personally.

  68. tk March 24th, 2010 at 11:49 am

    “Talent wise Robbie has him but if Yankee fans always talk about intangibles to credit Jeter’s greatness, they should give it up to Pedroia. He’s got heart, stones, and is fearless. Everything you want in a player.”

    I like Inge,
    It seems that the majority of people share your opinion. However, I’ve always been curious about these characterizations. For example, why do you feel Pedroia is “fearless”?

  69. m March 24th, 2010 at 11:51 am

    pat,

    That’s true, in a selfish way. lol.

    Not only that. Having both Phil and/or Joba in the rotation squeezes out and/or Andy & Javy next season. ;)

    I think the position players themselves want someone who’s going to pitch quickly.

  70. pat March 24th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    “I think the position players themselves want someone who’s going to pitch quickly.”

    Derek and Alex were tripping over themselves praising Aceves about that a few weeks ago. A pitcher in a good rhythm helps fielders stay on their toes and mentally in the game.

  71. GreenBeret7 March 24th, 2010 at 11:58 am

    Pat M.,

    Here are my expert picks. I’ve run each team through the season on the computer 10,000 times and these are the numbers.

    OK, OK. I pulled them from near my back pocket, but, I wanted to sound like a wizard. It’s a little long.

    Arizona- 82 under
    Atlanta- 86.5 over
    Baltimore- 72.5 under
    Boston- 94 under
    Chicago C- 83 under
    Chicago W- 82 over
    Cincinnati- 78 under
    Cleveland- 73 over
    Colorado- 83 under
    Detroit- 81 over
    Florida- 81 over
    Houston- 77 under
    Kansas City- 71 over
    LA Angels- 84 over
    LA Dodgers- 84 over
    Milwaukee- 80.5 under
    Minnesota- 82 over
    NY Mets- 81 under
    NY Yankees- 94.5 over
    Oakland- 78 under
    Philadelphia- 92 over
    Pittsburgh- 71 over
    St. Louis- 88 under
    San Diego- 71 under
    San Francisco- 83 over
    Seattle- 83 over
    Tampa Bay- 89.5 over
    Texas- 83 over
    Toronto- 71 over
    Washington- 72 over

  72. rodg12 March 24th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    Pat M -
    My top 5…
    Minnesota over 82
    Colorado over 83
    Toronto under 71
    Washington under 72
    KC under 71

  73. I like Inge March 24th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    Fearless to me in baseball is not being scared of failing and being consistent in your approach. Pedroia’s approach is to attack and be aggressive. Like Jeter with his focus and his tenacity in big spots, Pedroia has the same qualities.

    Here’s an example:
    Garza Game 7 2008 ALCS. High heat on the road in Game 7 where every pitch counts, solo shot in the 1st. They lost that game but the dude is not afraid of pressure. He thrives in it. I think he is amazing.


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