The LoHud Yankees Blog

A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News


Old friends

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 28, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I was going to go with some Simon and Garfunkel lyrics at the top of this post, but that seemed to be a bit much. Instead, we’ll go with just a few more Associated Press photos and a one picture from reader Mike Howells of Johnny Damon’s return to Yankees camp.

First, some late night links, then the pictures.

• Brett Gardner was profiled by College of Charleston Magazine. The story includes a cool picture of Gardner standing on the deck of the USS Yorktown.

• If the Pirates carry seven relievers on Opening Day, Jeff Karstens is one of the pitchers with a chance to crack the roster.

• Shelley Duncan has been sent to Indians minor league camp. An elbow injury kept him from getting many early at-bats with Cleveland.

• Mike Dunn has also been sent to minor league camp. The Braves optioned him to Triple-A with a 1.42 ERA but also more than a walk per inning in big league camp.

• Speaking of the Braves, Melky Cabrera leads the team in at-bats and is hitting .264/.339/.340 this spring.

Tigers Yankees Spring Baseball

Tigers Yankees Baseball

P1020299-1

Comments

comments

 

Advertisement

180 Responses to “Old friends”

  1. Rich in NJ March 28th, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    Did Horne tear his rotator cuff again?

  2. m March 28th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    I hope we see this much coverage of another good friend…Hideki. I know the bitter breakup makes for a good story, and all. But Hideki was also a good friend.

  3. Patrick March 28th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    This post makes me sad, I wish Damon was still with the Yankees :(

  4. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus March 28th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    So my 20 team fantasy league took three hours to draft.

    I picked 12th and took Teixeira as my top pick. Keeper league, so I also nabbed Wieters and Strasburg.

    I’m a rather poor fantasy player, but that’s because most of the time I just don’t try.

  5. m March 28th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    oops. bitter breakup=Damon.

  6. Dan March 28th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    It really is depressing to see Damon in that Tigers uniform.

    I still don’t think the Yanks are a better team with Granderson and Johnson vs Damon and Matsui.

  7. Mike March 28th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Sad to see Johnny in another uniform! Hopefully he’s enjoying Detroit.

  8. Rich in NJ March 28th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    pat

    “Why is pitching in the bullpen interpretted as a punishment. Seems to have worked out pretty well for Mariano.”

    Because starters have significantly more value than relievers. Mariano probably didn’t have enough pitches to be a starter, but irrespective of that, you can’t plan on someone being one of the biggest outliers in MLB history.

  9. m March 28th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    Hi, Rebecca.

    Are you pleased with your draft?

  10. jennifer March 28th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    I read that on twitter. I haven’t looked any further than that.

  11. crawdaddy March 28th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    Yes, Horne tore his rotator cuff.

  12. Rich in NJ March 28th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    Bummer. My heart goes out to him and his dad.

  13. Dale March 28th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    Eppler and Eliand need to hush up! Ca$hmoney is the only one who should be making public statements.

    Stop undermining your GM in public!

  14. crawdaddy March 28th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    I don’t know how they underminded Cashman because a lot can happen between now and 2011.

  15. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter March 28th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Chad-

    This is your best post in MONTHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thanks :-)

  16. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus March 28th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    m:

    Fairly happy, save for the fact that I forgot to draft a closer. Oops.

  17. m March 28th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....;year=2009

    Looking at Joba’s game log, I don’t see any thing truly awful.

    He pretty much pitched on a regular basis. Texas and Seattle hit him pretty hard in a couple of games.

    But I don’t see where the “Rules” messed him up.

  18. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    If anybody makes a trip to Charleston, take a long tour of the city. It teems with history. Spring and summer make for beautiful tours. The market area, Charleston Harbour, The Battery, Ft. Sumter and the still awe-inspiring view of Charleston and the harbour from the deck of the Yorktown. As big as it is, hard to believe that it’s still only 2/3rds the size of today’s supercarriers. The original name of the Yorktown was supposed to be the USS Bon Homme Richard, but, renamed when the first Yorktown was sunk at Midway.

    I suggest a trip to see the USS Intrepid in NY, too. another beautiful ship.

  19. m March 28th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    Rebecca,

    How about Joba? :P

  20. MTU(aka GBURL) March 28th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    Pitching is an inherently
    violent act.

    Too bad so many young pitchers succumb to the Physics.:(

  21. Chad Jennings March 28th, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Last I talked to Horne it was looking like he was heading toward surgery, but it didn’t seem to be a done deal, which is why I held off on reporting it (hate to jump the gun on something like that).

    That was a couple of days ago, but I saw it reported today that it’s a done deal. I’ll check with Horne tomorrow to be sure. Brutal.

  22. Rich in NJ March 28th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    “Looking at Joba’s game log, I don’t see any thing truly awful.”

    Considering he was coming an injury, I agree, but I think if the Yankees looked at the game logs, the would say that his pitch counts/IP were too high.

  23. MTU(aka GBURL) March 28th, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    GB-

    I once had the pleasure to tour a retired Battleship in N.C.

    I could not believe how large she was and how powerful she must have been with those guns to reach out and touch somebody.

    A carrier must be even more amazing. :)

  24. Rich in NJ March 28th, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    Thanks, Chad.

  25. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter March 28th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Chad-

    One more thing-
    Simon & Garfunkel lyrics are never too much!!!!

  26. EricNS March 28th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Miss JD also – maybe he will be traded back in July

  27. m March 28th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Rich,

    Was just looking at it, and the WHIP was brutal in August/Sept.

    Not proficient on the K/BB ratio thingy, but it probably wasn’t up to par for the same time frame.

  28. Chad Jennings March 28th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    This is obviously the official Erica post.

  29. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 28th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    Looks like the Yankees did not move Horne to the bullpen soon enough.

  30. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter March 28th, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    Too much weekend excitement for this boring accountant-

    Calling it a night early so I can attempt to be at my desk by 7am. I can leave Nick in SF to discuss the over/under on me actually making it there at that time

    Good night Yankee people

  31. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    well, if you can’t open with some S&G, next best is the lines from Willie and Waylon’s “Old Friends”.

    Old friends pitching pennies in the park

    Playing croquet till it’s dark old friends mhm old friends

    Oh old friends swapping lies of life and loves

    Pitching popcorn to the doves old friends mhm old friends

    Old friends looking up to watch the birds

    Holdin’ arms to climb a curb old friends mhm old friends

    Old friends Lord when all my work is done

    Bless my life and grant me one old friend just one old friend

  32. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter March 28th, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    Chad Jennings
    March 28th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
    This is obviously the official Erica post.

    *******************

    That officially makes it the best post ever!!!! :grin:

  33. Chad Jennings March 28th, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    I very well could be wrong, but I don’t think it’s a bullpen-or-rotation thing with Horne. He had those injuries in college, but he seemed to be going strong as a starter through that terrific 2007 season in Double-A. In 2008, the problems started with a strange biceps injury, and that seems to have started the dominoes falling. Since then, he’s hardly pitched. After that ’07 season it would have been hard to justify moving him into the bullpen, especially when he was coming off back to back 120-plus inning seasons.

  34. Jerkface March 28th, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    Looking at Joba’s game log, I don’t see any thing truly awful.

    He pretty much pitched on a regular basis. Texas and Seattle hit him pretty hard in a couple of games.

    But I don’t see where the “Rules” messed him up.

    It is bad if you consider he is getting into games for 3 innings and giving up 2 or 3 runs every time. Ever since the ‘rules’, he had 0 games in which he gave up no runs.

    Come on, thats terrible. He is going out there for 2,3, or 4 innings on a pitch count and he can’t toss up a scoreless 2 inning stint?

    How can we expect him to beast out of the bullpen when he couldn’t do basic relief work at the end of 2009?

    No games in which he gave up less hits than Ip. Walked none only twice.

    3 ip 2 R is fine if you’re a starter and you throw up some zeroes and end up 6 or 7 IP 2 RUN. Thats crappy for a reliever.

  35. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 28th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    Chad,

    I was just joking about the bullpen thing because the Yankees seem very eager to move their pitching prospects to the bullpen ;)

  36. Rich in NJ March 28th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    Too bad those platelet-rich injections can’t heal rotator cuff tears.

  37. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    MTU(aka GBURL)
    March 28th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
    GB-

    I once had the pleasure to tour a retired Battleship in N.C.

    I could not believe how large she was and how powerful she must have been with those guns to reach out and touch somebody.

    A carrier must be even more amazing.

    ————————————————————

    Yeah, the carriers are some sight to behold. I’ve watched
    the launches and recoveries of aircraft on film and live and, it’s amazing that there aren’t more accidents than the relatively few that there are. You have 80-90 aircraft being launched, recovered and serviced all at the same time 300-400 people on deck with each job crew in different colored t-shirts. In a space that small, the ground crews at Kennedy International couldn’t launch and recover planes that fast. It’s like watching a ballet.

  38. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 28th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    The more guys Eiland sends to the bullpen the greater his chances are of working with guys like CC than prospects.

  39. Nick in SF in Larkspur March 28th, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    Is there any evidence that any aspect of ‘the rules’ helped Joba be a better pitcher in 2008 or 2009?

  40. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 28th, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    GreenBeret7
    March 28th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
    well, if you can’t open with some S&G, next best is the lines from Willie and Waylon’s “Old Friends”.
    Old friends pitching pennies in the park
    Playing croquet till it’s dark old friends mhm old friends
    Oh old friends swapping lies of life and loves
    Pitching popcorn to the doves old friends mhm old friends
    Old friends looking up to watch the birds
    Holdin’ arms to climb a curb old friends mhm old friends
    Old friends Lord when all my work is done
    Bless my life and grant me one old friend just one old friend
    ===

    Helluva lyric, GB7.

    Did you copy and paste? I only ask because it’s devoid of typos ;).

  41. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus March 28th, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    M:

    I need saves, not holds, alas!

  42. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 28th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    Rebecca,

    It is a keeper league so pick up Joba for the saves in the future. Just to be safe you should pick up Garcia, Brackman, and Bentances also.

  43. Jerkface March 28th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    Is there any evidence that any aspect of ‘the rules’ helped Joba be a better pitcher in 2008 or 2009?

    I understood the rules for 2007 and 2008. They wanted to limit his innings, but they weren’t supposed to help him. It was just supposed to prevent future injury. I guess.

    It was supposed to NOT hurt his development. Its like, hey joba, for a while you’re gonna be on short stints, deal. Its not like, Hey joba lose 10 mph off your fastball and suck while you do that, thanks.

    Injury really messed with them, and they should have just put joba in AAA and had Hughes in the big league rotation last year. Both would get stretched out and be available 100% this year.

  44. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 28th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
    March 28th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
    MTU(aka GBURL)
    March 28th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
    Bohdi-
    Best wishes for the complete recovery of your Mother.
    Baseball is a joke compared with that !
    ===
    A thousand, heart-felt thanks, MTU.
    She’s doing great, BTW! .

  45. Chad Jennings March 28th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    And it’s gotten to the point that I think every bullpen suggestion is a serious one! That’s my bad.

    Truth is, you can always look back and say a pitcher who gets injured should have been in the pen to limit his workload, but there’s only so much you can do to protect a guy’s arm.

  46. pat March 28th, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    Rich

    I’m not arrogant enough to think that I know what’s best for the Yankees and frankly I’m beyond bored with the debate so I’ll choose to agree to disagree that pitching well out of the pen is “settling”.

  47. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 28th, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    While I agree with Rich on the issue of Joba pitching out of the bullpen,

    I also agree with pat that the subject has been wrung dry.

    And so, I bid you all adieu.

    Good night, sweet ladies. Goodnight, goodnight!

  48. m March 28th, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    Jerkface,

    Yes, put that way it was bad. High WHIP leads to increase scoring opportunities, I guess.

    So, how did the rules ruin Joba?

    If the Yankees said that we’re going to give you shorter starts so that we can conserve your arm, wouldn’t you understand? Wouldn’t you try to maximize your results?

  49. Rich in NJ March 28th, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    pat

    I think you took my post the wrong. Sorry.

  50. Rich in NJ March 28th, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    Edit: wrong way

  51. Jerkface March 28th, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    So, how did the rules ruin Joba?

    If the Yankees said that we’re going to give you shorter starts so that we can conserve your arm, wouldn’t you understand? Wouldn’t you try to maximize your results?

    I feel like Joba was probably already ruined at that point. If I were him, and I was told, “you have 75 pitches or 5 innings, make em count.” I would try to be the best I could be.

    Perhaps, Joba, with his diminished stuff, was not able to do that? He didn’t have the confidence in it. Blah bklahblah, thats like playing armchair psychiatrist. No point in doing that.

    We can only really look at his results and say, he was bad. I wouldn’t blame the rules.

  52. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 28th, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    Mo is the ultimate outlier and should not be used as a guide or expectation for Joba in any sense. He is maybe the only reliever in the history of baseball that failing as a starter has worked out in a financial sense.

    I posted this a few weeks ago, but only 16 of the 30 closers in baseball are 30 or older. 33 and older? Only 8.

    These guys are failed starters for a reason. If Joba goes to the BP permanently I am not getting my hopes up for a long and successful career for him. And definitely not anything Mo-like.

  53. Patrick March 28th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    The rules didn’t ruin Joba but they didn’t help. Someone made a good point yesterday that the Tigers did a good job with Porcello last year.

  54. MTU(aka GBURL) March 28th, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    For anyone that doesn’t like my baseball opinions maybe you’ll like this better :

    “Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
    And sorry I could not travel both
    And be one traveller, long I stood
    And looked down one as far as I could
    To where it bent in the undergrowth;

    Then took the other, as just as fair,
    And having perhaps the better claim,
    Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
    Though as for that the passing there
    Had worn them really about the same,

    And both that morning equally lay
    In leaves no step had trodden black.
    Oh, I kept the first for another day!
    Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
    I doubted if I should ever come back.

    I shall be telling this with a sigh
    Somewhere ages and ages hence:
    Two roads diverged in a wood, and I–
    I took the one less traveled by,
    And that has made all the difference”

    Night all. :)

  55. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
    March 28th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
    GreenBeret7
    March 28th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
    well, if you can’t open with some S&G, next best is the lines from Willie and Waylon’s “Old Friends”.
    Old friends pitching pennies in the park
    Playing croquet till it’s dark old friends mhm old friends
    Oh old friends swapping lies of life and loves
    Pitching popcorn to the doves old friends mhm old friends
    Old friends looking up to watch the birds
    Holdin’ arms to climb a curb old friends mhm old friends
    Old friends Lord when all my work is done
    Bless my life and grant me one old friend just one old friend
    ===

    Helluva lyric, GB7.

    Did you copy and paste? I only ask because it’s devoid of typos .

    ————————————————————

    LMAO. I have two words for you, but, they won’t get through the filters, Bohd.

    Yeah, I had some help with that. Lots of paste. It’s a great song, though. Couldn’t take a chance at screwing up W&W’s words.

  56. Jerkface March 28th, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    Problem being porcello had 125 IP in the minors. Joba really should have had another year in the minors, but as SJ44 says “12 best arms go north” :haw:

    He rarely pitched 100 pitches in a game, but Porcello obviously didn’t have stuff problems. He got a lot of easy groundballs.

    I’m sure Joba could have done the same if that injury/mechanicas/ghost of dave eiland didn’t mess him up.

  57. Web March 28th, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    Great article on Gardner.

  58. m March 28th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    I think what happened was that Wang’s absence forced the Yankees to rely on Joba for the postseason, that’s why they tried to stretch out the innings.

    So, in that way, I do (and I think I did criticize the Yankees at the time) blame the Yankees for not making a move to get a real 4th pitcher (after they decided Hughes was stuck in the bullpen. Period).

    But, ironically enough, best league record & mother nature helped us out in the postseason and we went on to win it all! Glory was ours!

  59. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 28th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    Cain agreed to a 3 year extension tonight. Not good news.

  60. m March 28th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    “I look at one side of the infield,” Gardner recalls, “with Mark Texiera and Robinson Cano, who are two possible Hall-of-Famers. Then I look at the other side, with Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez, two sure Hall-of-Famers. Jorge Posada, the guy behind the plate – Hall of Famer. There’s Mariano Rivera on the mound – the best pitcher ever. And there I am, standing in centerfield behind them, about to win a World Series. That, by far, has been my best professional moment.”
    =================================================

    I would be blown away, too.

  61. pat March 28th, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    Rich

    No need to say “sorry”. :smile:

  62. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    Nobody knows when a pitcher is going to break down. It happens. Some pitchers only have so many pitches on a given day and like many, Chamberlain might be one of those. Baseball is full of great talents that couldn’t stay healthy because their bodies failed. NYY has had their sharem but, Rich Harden and Kasmir come to mind. It’s nothing new. Karl Spooner broke in with the Dodgers with 2 complete game shutouts and 27 strikeouts in his first two games. His arm went dead and he was never that close again. Some things can’t be blamed on anybody.

    Hopefully, Chamberlain gets the injury issues over and can continue as a starter in 2011. I’d rather see him in the pen than destroy that arm trying to start. Somewhere along the line, he could get a twinge, change his motion and blow his arm up. until he’s completely sound, he’ll be fine in the pen. Rivera is there and he’ll teach Chamberlain everything he knows and has learned in the last 16 years.

  63. Jerkface March 28th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Teammate and roommate Phil Coker ’06 remembers one play in particular.

    What are the odds Gardner would play with a Phil coker then a phil coke?

  64. Patrick March 28th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Yeah I really should have expanded on the Porcello comment. I guess my point was that the Tigers did a better job than the Yankees.

    I do agree that it was probably a mistake to push Joba into the majors so early in his career. It was fine for him to pitch out of the pen in 2007 but in 2008 they shouldn’t have kept him in the pen. He really should have gone to AAA for half the year.

  65. Jerkface March 28th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Nobody knows when a pitcher is going to break down. It happens. Some pitchers only have so many pitches on a given day and like many, Chamberlain might be one of those. Baseball is full of great talents that couldn’t stay healthy because their bodies failed.

    Madison Bumgarner, former one of the best pitching prospects in the league, now can’t break 85 mph. It happens, but I’d wish it wouldn’t happen to Joba. It is definitely going to affect his career trajectory.

  66. Phil The Thrill March 28th, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    I feel terribly for the Horne’s. His dad was an injury troubled pitcher, too. But they never give up and that’s why they are great people. God bless Alan in his recovery.

  67. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 March 28th, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    Damon looks like he gained some weight in that uniform. There’s no way he could be happy…leaving 6M on the table!

  68. charlestonchew March 28th, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    Green beret:

    I want to echo your sentiments about Charleston. I’m a student at the College of Charleston, going into my Senior year, and it is one of the best places to live or to visit in the country.

    It is an infinitely charming Southern city, teeming with history. The college atmosphere brings together the old and the new. I ate dinner on the Yorktown just last week as part of a Leadership program at the college and it was a great experience.

    The Riverdogs do play in Charleston, but even as a devout Yankee fan, they are an afterthought compared to what the city itself is. Words cannot even begin to describe it. You just have to see and experience it yourself.

  69. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 28th, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    GF, I think the Yanks deserve some criticism for how they handled Joba last year, but that doesn’t mean Joba shouldn’t take any responsibility for his poor performance. I’m not saying you’re saying this, but there are people who just want to blame the Yankees and I don’t think it’s fair. I don’t think I’m taking it personally with Phil; I think the kid deserved a crack at the rotation instead of treading water in the pen for another year. He absolutely earned the starting gig this year; he worked hard and now the change appears to be a very good pitch for him (or it will be). I don’t buy the argument that Joba should have been allowed to remain in the rotation simply because the team spent all this time developing him as a starter. What were they doing with Phil? They didn’t put him in the pen to develop him as a reliever, that’s for sure.

    You’ve remained very consistent with your arguments and I do recall that you wanted Phil to remain in the rotation/stretched out so that he could be available as the 6th starter. I don’t look at it, though, as if Joba is getting screwed, that’s all. I look at it as if Phil earned the starting gig.

  70. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 28th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    I’m sorry for Alan Horne……….and it’s just another blow to the Yankee farm system; they draft these kids that can not stay healthy.

  71. CR9 March 28th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    I know it’s hard to believe, but Buster Olney has grown even more attached to the Red Sox than before.

    I think Buster realizes he has to take over the mantle from Peter Gammons.

    :)

  72. Haiku-man March 28th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    ~Damon enjoy 27…think 28

    The dust has settled and Johnny knows what he gave up. He has a gut on him standing next to Jeter.

  73. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 28th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    Jerkface, you actually think Joba is ruined? I couldn’t disagree more.

  74. Brad Toughy March 28th, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    Pretty much the same old stuff from Dunn and Melky.

  75. Jerkface March 28th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    Well, we still have 4 more seasons of Joba under team control, so I can’t say he is ‘ruined’. But Joba the starter seems to be slipping away. It remains to be seen, but I don’t like the direction his career is taking. Mostly because it seems to be largely out of his hands and he just hasn’t been givin the right opportunity to succeed.

  76. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    Charleston C., it’s my 2nd favorite city in the southeast. If i had to choose between Savannah and Charleston, I’m not sure that I could. There’s always something new to see. i fell in love with the southeast 30 years ago when I started visiting historical sites and I haven’t stopped. What a great history lesson from Savannah to Boston. same with travelling through Virginia. Can’t get enough. This area has a lot of great schools, too. Size doesn’t make them more or less great. Georgia Southern, C of C, SCAD, Armstrong. Not everybody’s daddy can afford to send their kids to Ivy League schools.

  77. Jerkface March 28th, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    Consider this: Jeff Karstens was givin more than 600 minor league innings and 4 starting stints in the majors, and is just now being relegated to the bullpen.

    I think Joba hasn’t been given a fair shake at all, especially considering Joba the starter in 2009, for the first half of the season, ‘produced’, even if the process by which he went about it wasn’t the best.

    2008 starter = good
    2009 starter = mixed
    He was only really bad once they put him on the short outings.

    And yet…now he is a reliever for life? Its really dumb.
    I don’t care what ‘everyone in baseball’ says about his mechanics or whatever. With crappy mechanics he had a sub 4 ERA in the AL east.

    With crappy mechanics Joba is a 4th or 5th starter, on every team in baseball not named the Yankees, and a 3 on most bad teams.

  78. Buddy Biancalana March 28th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    LGY – Child Prodigy/GB7′s Bestest Buddy March 28th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    Cain agreed to a 3 year extension tonight. Not good news.

    ————————————————————–

    Why isn’t this good news? Are the Yanks supposed to sign everyone away from their teams?

  79. pat March 28th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    SI_JonHeyman chad gaudin got 700 grand from #a’s. solid signing.

  80. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    Alan Horne hasn’t really been in the Yankees plans for at least two years. He’s only been in their hopes, much like Garcia. He can pitch, but, he can’t stay healthy. If he truly is finished, I’d bet on him getting a job in the system somewhere…if he wants it.

  81. Nick in SF in Larkspur March 28th, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    Not good news? It’s GREAT news! Now we can get Jonathan Sanchez.

    /Brandon’d

  82. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 28th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    “Why isn’t this good news? Are the Yanks supposed to sign everyone away from their teams?”

    ————————–

    2 reasons:

    1. If the Yankees have decided they are going to relegate their pitching prospects to the bullpen they are going to need to sign more pitchers to long term contracts. These contracts are much safer if the player is below 30 and Cain was the only below 30 guy with Ace potential that was going to hit the market since CC.

    2. CC can opt out that year. Him and Cain would really be the only Ace like guys on the market. Now CC is by far and away the best pitcher on the potential 2012 market.

  83. Rich in NJ March 28th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    “Consider this: Jeff Karstens was givin more than 600 minor league innings and 4 starting stints in the majors, and is just now being relegated to the bullpen.”

    Given that Joba is/was an elite talent, and that Karstens may only be slightly better than replacement level, it makes your case even stronger.

    But that’s life with the NYY. The margin for developmental error is minute.

    I do think that Joba will get another chance to start by 2011.

  84. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 28th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    I am just going to give a big +1 on Jerkface’s last post. Spot on.

    Would just like to add that Joba was not even slightly below 4. He had a 3.58 ERA at the end of July.

  85. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 28th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    Charleston is one of my favorite places on earth; I liked Savannah, but I’m not sure I would rush back there – I didn’t connect with it. I’ve been to Charleston 3 times already and would gladly go again. It’s a spectacularly beautiful ciy, it’s full of history and it has incredible food.

  86. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    I can’t see getting Sanchez until NYY can hose the White Sox in a trade for Eric Threet.

  87. jz166 March 28th, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    I wish JD was still with Yanks. damn.
    In 2010 season, I hope Yankees can have a decent start, I am tired of seeing all of sudden they are 5+ games behind BOS easily, year after year.

  88. GreenBeret7 March 28th, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    Betsy, Savannah is not a city that you visit in December. Their time is spring and summer.

  89. Dale March 28th, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    Hughes better be good next year considering he took Joba’s spot

  90. Buddy Biancalana March 28th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    Thanks LGY, now I’m upset too. :cry:

  91. BDG March 28th, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    The Yanks just have no faith in their young arms, otherwise, there was no reason to get Javy.

    Joba deserved another yr in the rotation but for some reason, they gave it to Hughes instead. Great way to develop pitchers— give em 1 year and if they struggle, send them to the pen!

  92. vey March 28th, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    Gsudin owed 737,500k from the Yankees, signed 700k with A’s.
    Original contract 2.950M before released, Chad got jipped.

  93. Mike March 28th, 2010 at 11:59 pm

    LGY – When you put it that way, it is a pretty big blow.

  94. vey March 29th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    Gsudin=Gaudin

  95. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    GB, we actually went in October. I thought the historic district was nice, but I admit I wasn’t overly enamored of it. I did have a great time and I did enjoy the city, but I just fell head over heels for Charleston.

  96. Giuseppe Franco March 29th, 2010 at 12:01 am

    Betsy,

    Yeah, I certainly agree that Joba has to take his share of the blame for his performance last season.

    But my position was not that the loser of the 5th starter competition should go to the pen. It was that the loser of that competition should be the 6th starter.

    They are going to need more starters anyways because it would be impossible for a team to go through a 162 game grind with their original starting five.

    No matter what side we argue, I think we can all agree that either Joba or Hughes is a far better alternative for the 6th starter role than one Sergio Mitre.

  97. Rich in NJ March 29th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    “The Yanks just have no faith in their young arms, otherwise, there was no reason to get Javy.”

    No, they had no faith the ability of their young arms to give them 200 IP. That’s what Vazquez should be able to do.

    I think they are concerned about Pettitte’s ability to stay healthy all season, and if Girardi is smart, he will try to keep CC’s pitch counts in the 100-110 range whenever feasible.

    That said, Joba should start the season at AAA.

  98. RI Jon March 29th, 2010 at 12:04 am

    “No, they had no faith the ability of their young arms to give them 200 IP. That’s what Vazquez should be able to do.”

    Joba can give them that this year. Which is why he should be the one starting…..

  99. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 12:06 am

    GF, I do not like Mitre, so yeah, I agree with you. However, I only agree if a starter is going to be down for awhile. If it’s just a matter of a few missed starts, then it makes no sense to stretch Joba out only to have to put him back in the pen when the SP returns. I think that’s what the Yankees are trying to avoid and I can’t say I blame them.

  100. CAMERON March 29th, 2010 at 12:07 am

    Hughes needs innings on his arm he has to be stretched out.

  101. Rich in NJ March 29th, 2010 at 12:08 am

    “Joba can give them that this year. Which is why he should be the one starting…..”

    Potentially, but not if he wasn’t more efficient with his pitch counts. Given that uncertainty, and that he has never returned to being the pitcher he was in 2008, I think the AAA option makes a lot of sense.

    But if they wanted to put Hughes at AAA and Joba in the rotation, that would be fine too.

  102. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 29th, 2010 at 12:08 am

    “Rivera is there and he’ll teach Chamberlain everything he knows and has learned in the last 16 years.”

    ————————-

    It’s funny that whenever people who support Joba to the BP for 2010 they mention how much Joba will benefit from Mo’s tutelage.

    Yet, when I say that it seems Mo has a greater impact on these guys in the BP than Eiland, it is absolutely ridiculous.

    Inconsistent logic? Double standard?

  103. Jerkface March 29th, 2010 at 12:13 am

    And I have to bring up yet again that we only have Joba for 4 years at increasing rates and then he is a free agent.

    We might have ‘Joba the Closer’ for 1 year.

  104. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2010 at 12:14 am

    Betsy – Romine wasn’t built in a day
    March 29th, 2010 at 12:00 am
    GB, we actually went in October. I thought the historic district was nice, but I admit I wasn’t overly enamored of it. I did have a great time and I did enjoy the city, but I just fell head over heels for Charleston.

    ————————————————————

    Savannah is really, much like Austin, Texas, a small town with a lot of people. Its spread out. the historic district is rather small, but, it’s real beauty and charm come out in the spring when the flowers and trees blossum. It really depends on whether that and the old mansions and museums are what you’re looking for. Like I mentioned, there’s not a lot of difference in the cities and their offerings, though. Charleston does have the harbour area to help, whereas Savannah’s harbour is mostly commercial, sea going traffic. Their “harbour” is really Tybee Island and all of the smaller islands to visit. The food offerings are the same, though.

  105. Giuseppe Franco March 29th, 2010 at 12:15 am

    Betsy,

    If it were up to me, Joba would remained stretched out. No one-inning stints for a month and stretch him out again. He’d stay stretched out from the onset.

    And you can’t ever predict when a starter is going to go down or predict how much time he’ll miss.

    That’s why even championship-caliber teams need anywhere from 6-9 starters throughout a normal season.

  106. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 29th, 2010 at 12:20 am

    Buddy Biancalana
    March 28th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    Thanks LGY, now I’m upset too.

    ————————-

    lol. I am sorry I upset you!

    Express your emotions on paper. Let David Eiland know in a strongly worded letter that Joba should be in the rotation in 2011 so the Yankees will already have 2 young RH studs in the rotation by 2012 and won’t need no stinkin Matt Cain.

  107. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 29th, 2010 at 12:21 am

    FYI, if Joba stays in the minors for I believe 2 months his FA clock is pushed back a year.

  108. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2010 at 12:23 am

    Perhaps it’s because Eiland was a starter and Rivera knows what it takes for a reliever to stay healthy, ready and effective better than anybody else. Harkey was a starter and he doesn’t know the bullpen preparation any more than Eiland. He’s there to answer the phone and as the impartial arbiter of the bullpen games. A bullpen coach should be a career bullpenner.

    eiland wouldn’t have been my choice of pitching coaches, but, they didn’t ask me for my advice. I would have brought Gil Patterson back into the system.

  109. Tarheelyank March 29th, 2010 at 12:24 am

    “It’s funny that whenever people who support Joba to the BP for 2010 they mention how much Joba will benefit from Mo’s tutelage.”

    Mo took Veras and Edwar under his wing as well. That did not work out so good. And another thing, why does Joba have to be a pen guy, for Mo to work with him. He would have as much time to work with Joba the starter as Joba the bullpen guy. This notion that Mo is sitting out there imparting his greatness on the other pitchers is a little much.

  110. Buddy Biancalana March 29th, 2010 at 12:25 am

    Let David Eiland know in a strongly worded letter that Joba should be in the rotation in 2011 so the Yankees will already have 2 young RH studs in the rotation by 2012 and won’t need no stinkin Matt Cain.

    ———————————————————
    How do we know Joba won’t be in the rotation in 2011? Hughes was in the BP last year.

  111. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 29th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    Wow. GreenBeret and I agree on something:

    “eiland wouldn’t have been my choice of pitching coaches”

    Does this mean it must be right or must be wrong?

  112. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 29th, 2010 at 12:29 am

    Buddy,

    I linked Eiland’s comments about Joba in the last thread. From those comments it does not look promising.

    Of course it is ultimately Cash’s decision though.

  113. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 12:29 am

    GB, I will say that I LOVED the historic homes, particularly the Daisy Low house and the Andrew Low House.

    GF, I have no problem with that, but that doesn’t appear that that’s the route the Yankees are going to go. I was re-reading some posts from a few days ago. I think it was SJ who mentioned that possibly the Yankees just want Joba to focus on being a reliever. Whatever it was he said, I can’t really disagree. I don’t criticize the Yankees a lot and I won’t do it here; I’m open to different ways of handling things.

  114. Buddy Biancalana March 29th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    LGY-

    It’s possible Eppler & Eiland’s comments were put out there so there aren’t distractions during the year of whether or not Joba should be starting. Will the lack of innings hinder the development of Joba the SP? Maybe, maybe not.

  115. Buddy Biancalana March 29th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    LGY-

    It is possible that Eppler’s & Eiland’s comments were put out there so there aren’t distractions during the year of whether or not Joba should be starting. Will the lack of innings hinder the development of Joba the SP? Maybe, maybe not.

  116. m March 29th, 2010 at 12:35 am

    Here’s another possibility (one that SJ’s mentioned before).

    Joba’s not the same Joba. For whatever reason, I don’t know. Shoulder, starting, Huff mocking him, who knows?

    Maybe the Yankees feel this is the best way to get Joba back on track. Back to being the old Joba. Then, they can take the next step.

  117. Rich in NJ March 29th, 2010 at 12:35 am

    m

    Maybe, but if so, why didn’t Eppler or Eiland get the memo.

  118. Nick in SF in Larkspur March 29th, 2010 at 12:37 am

    Hey, how about not putting Matt Cain on Eiland’s radar?

    He might ruin Cain too just by thinking about him. :(

  119. m March 29th, 2010 at 12:40 am

    That.

    Well, the thing is that we know how the Yankees feel. I’m sure the Yankees have already given Joba the talk. And no, it’s not about puberty.

  120. Tarheelyank March 29th, 2010 at 12:40 am

    Giuseppe Franco

    Totally agree re: Joba and the need for starters.

    I can see this coming back to bite them.

  121. Nick in SF in Larkspur March 29th, 2010 at 12:43 am

    What was said in this talk?

  122. GC March 29th, 2010 at 12:43 am

    I love when people reference how the Sox did good to put Papelbon in the bullpen. To this very day I still think that move was a colossal mistake. There is no reason why Papelbon needed to be in the bullpen given what he showed in the high minors and briefly in the majors as a starter. He has the breadth of pitches and command necessary to do it and had he been in the rotation rather than the bullpen they probably would have won another championship in 2007.

    There is absolutely nothing good that can come out of Chamberlain’s role in the bullpen. I strongly believe that relievers are the game’s most overrated commodity and don’t think we’d even be discussing this if Chamberlain hadn’t been called up in 2007. Right there is where Joba’s career and upwards of 50 to 100 million dollars go out the window for him.

    Jerkface, you’re absolutely right. The way the Yankees have handled Joba has been nothing short of a travesty. And its done enough to damper my enthusiasm for the upcoming season that I can’t even bring myself to get excited about it anymore. If I was Joba I’d start throwing 89-90 MPH out of the bullpen just to spite everyone who has so royally screwed him. As a fan I won’t care at all to see him blow more than a couple games here and there because I’m hoping those hanging sliders will win a championship or two for the team an the future when he’s the #1 or #2 starting pitcher, not withering away in a useless role.

  123. Rich in NJ March 29th, 2010 at 12:43 am

    “It’s possible Eppler & Eiland’s comments were put out there so there aren’t distractions during the year of whether or not Joba should be starting. ”

    Except Eiland said:

    “There’s people above me that can override my decision, but as far as I’m concerned that’s (the bullpen) where he’s going to be.”

    So that sort of leaves open the possibility that he wasn’t foreclosing anything, including further speculation.

    If this was Eiland’s decision, it’s another reason I’m not high on him.

  124. Buddy Biancalana March 29th, 2010 at 12:48 am

    If this was Eiland’s decision, it’s another reason I’m not high on him.

    ———————————————————–

    Yep, can’t disagree with that.

  125. m March 29th, 2010 at 12:49 am

    Well, I don’t know. Just read a quote from Java that Eppner’s comments were news to him.

    And the Times took the Star-Ledger article out of context. The Times said Eiland was only talking about this year. Carig’s article said they weren’t going to review it at the end of the year. But there was nothing quoted to that effect.

    There was a fair amount of CYA in Eiland’ comments, too.

    Oh, well. The cat’s out of the bag. Two Yankee officials have gone on record.

  126. GC March 29th, 2010 at 12:49 am

    To expand on my point, as much as I love Mariano Rivera, he was not close to the most valuable Yankee during last season and during last year’s championship run. The most lovable? Without a doubt. The most iconic? Probably. But the most valuable? Not a chance. Mariano Rivera is one my favorite human beings on earth and you couldn’t convince me that regardless of how hard you tried.

    Andy Pettitte was, for the majority of his first run in pinstripes (save 1999) a more valuable commodity to the team than Rivera was. Orlando Hernandez, in 1998 and 1999, was more valuable than Rivera was. And Mike Mussina, for every season of his Yankee career save 2007, was also more valuable than Rivera.

    Even if Joba develops into a dominant ninth inning figure (and no one can ever duplicate what Rivera has done), he still won’t be as valuable as he would be if he was throwing 200 4.00 ERA innings out of the rotation. As a FOURTH STARTER (to be a viable one, he’d only have to improve on last year’s numbers by a smidgen) he’d be more valuable than as a ninth inning man. Its amazing how inflated this role has become in terms of its perceived value.

  127. m March 29th, 2010 at 12:50 am

    You people are delusional if you think that Eiland unilaterally made this decision. That’s Crazy!

  128. Jerkface March 29th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    I love when people reference how the Sox did good to put Papelbon in the bullpen. To this very day I still think that move was a colossal mistake. There is no reason why Papelbon needed to be in the bullpen given what he showed in the high minors and briefly in the majors as a starter. He has the breadth of pitches and command necessary to do it and had he been in the rotation rather than the bullpen they probably would have won another championship in 2007.

    Papelbon was a closer in college. And lost his fastball deep in games. He did not have the secondary arsenal to succeed. He walked 10 guys in his limited starting in the majors. He was good in the minors but all the scouting I read from then wasn’t as positive as the numbers suggest.

  129. Nick in SF in Larkspur March 29th, 2010 at 12:56 am

    m, I’m not trying to be obtuse, but you’ve said two or three time that you are sure the Yankees have had ‘the talk’ with Joba. What did they tell him?

  130. igotid88 March 29th, 2010 at 12:57 am

    why won’t my website go through?

  131. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! March 29th, 2010 at 1:01 am

    Two Yankee officials have gone on record and the GM is saying the opposite. Let me see, who do I think has the best handle here on what the possibilities are for Joba’s future? A coach and a scout, or the GM?

    To be honest I can’t even believe that intelligent people are having this discussion.

    For those of you who are merely parroting what you’ve heard from others or who have read a quote here and there, do me a favor. Read the article in MLB if you feel you can do it and apply simple reading comprehension as opposed to preconceived notions about the situation, or worse, your own thoughts on what the outcome of the situation SHOULD be.

    It’s clear that Cashman is not shutting the door on the possibility of Joba becoming a starter.

    The rest is to be determined.

  132. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! March 29th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

  133. m March 29th, 2010 at 1:05 am

    Sorry, Nick.

    I just meant that a lot of the stuff swirling around Joba can’t be news. He’s known that the Yankees were split on his role as far back as winter ’08.

    So, I didn’t think that Eiland would let anything slip that hasn’t already been discussed with Joba.

    But apparently, Eppner’s comments were news to Joba.

    Anyway, Cashman diffused it. And I believe him when he said that no final decision has been made at this point. Things are always subject to change.

  134. Nick in SF in Larkspur March 29th, 2010 at 1:11 am

    Fair enough.

    The important thing is, we are now less than a full week from real baseball.

  135. raymagnetic March 29th, 2010 at 1:22 am

    “If I was Joba I’d start throwing 89-90 MPH out of the bullpen just to spite everyone who has so royally screwed him.”

    Yeah that’ll teach them :|

  136. m March 29th, 2010 at 1:34 am

    ray,

    I’ve seen these variations, too:

    “I hope Joba sucks on purpose, so they’ll send him to Scranton to be a starter.”

    “I hope Joba can get traded to another team so he can start.”

  137. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2010 at 1:37 am

    GC
    March 29th, 2010 at 12:43 am

    Jerkface, you’re absolutely right. The way the Yankees have handled Joba has been nothing short of a travesty. And its done enough to damper my enthusiasm for the upcoming season that I can’t even bring myself to get excited about it anymore. If I was Joba I’d start throwing 89-90 MPH out of the bullpen just to spite everyone who has so royally screwed him. As a fan I won’t care at all to see him blow more than a couple games here and there because I’m hoping those hanging sliders will win a championship or two for the team an the future when he’s the #1 or #2 starting pitcher, not withering away in a useless role.

    ————————————————————

    Perhaps you think that if Chamberlain takes lessons from you on holding your breath, stomping your feet in a furious manner and banging your head on the floor, you’ll get your way.

    Yeah….that’s the ticket.

  138. Rich in NJ March 29th, 2010 at 1:41 am

    For those of you looking for a diversion from the mundane topics that we have beaten to death:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03.....ef=science

    Unearthing the Sex Secrets of the Périgord Black Truffle

  139. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2010 at 1:41 am

    My major concern is how in the world will the Yankees muddle through this coming season on the way to another title without such “loyal” backing from the “fans”.

  140. GC March 29th, 2010 at 1:47 am

    I wouldn’t mind if he was sent to Scranton, dominated as a starter, and then was traded. People have provided compelling arguments for why this wouldn’t be a bad idea so I’m not going to get into it. But in short, Chamberlain’s value as an eighth inning pitcher throughout the brunt of his arbitration years is certainly being sapped. I have no doubt in my mind that if he returns to the Scranton rotation and dominates, showing the same stuff he showed in 2008 (or some semblance of it) that teams will pay a hefty price to get their hands on him. Not Roy Halladay, but I think he’d be able to return a pretty valuable piece. And a good young outfielder certainly has more value to this organization right now than an eighth inning reliever.

    I love Joba, and might be guilty of rooting for his own personal success at times ahead of the organization’s. There was a very small part of me that chuckled when he gave up that home run to Feliz last year, because I knew we would still win the game and knew that the home run had ended a lot of what I thought would be unnecessary conversation over the winter and during Spring Training. I guess I was wrong.

    If Cashman still truly does have full control over what goes on within the organization, then I have little doubt that Joba will indeed compete for a rotation spot next year as long as he remains healthy this year. Cash didn’t keep him around for Roy Halladay just so he could perform in a role that 3 or 4 other pitchers on the major league roster RIGHT NOW are fully capable of excelling in.

    I am rooting hard for Phil to succeed wildly as a starter not only of the immense value I believe he is capable of providing to this team but also on the off chance that it might lend Cashman’s bizarre bullpen-rotation development model a bit of credence. Because right now it’s still 0/1 in terms of what it did to Joba.

  141. m March 29th, 2010 at 1:58 am

    GC,

    Nice post. I think we all want Joba to get back to form.

    I think his control (or lack thereof) has hindered Joba’s chances to develop as a starter with the Yankees.

  142. GC March 29th, 2010 at 3:07 am

    I don’t really want Joba to get back to form if it means cementing himself in the bullpen.

    I’ve become so disillusioned with people who inflate the value of relievers. If the Yankees entered this season with a bullpen of Mark Melancon, Romulo Sanchez, Jon Albaladejo, Chris Garcia, Zack Segovia, Boone Logan, and Mariano Rivera, I would still believe they’d win 100 + games and be World Series favorites. Its not that the bullpen doesn’t matter, its that there are plenty of guys capable of giving you flash in the pan performances as long as they have reasonable enough stuff. Damaso Marte and his 13.45 regular season ERA was the best reliever the Yankees had not named Mo last postseason.

    If his future is in the bullpen then I want him out of this organization where he can truly thrive. Just as I am really pleased to see Kennedy get his chance elsewhere I would root hard for Joba wherever he should pitch.

    When the Yankees dangled Phil Hughes for Santana in the fall of 2007 it was clear that Joba was completely off limits in all discussions. Was that because the Yankees wanted to protect their eighth inning reliever for the next 5 years? Really?

    By the way, Dave Eiland is terrible. He got nothing out of Kennedy, nothing out of Phil in the rotation, oversaw Wang turning into a disaster, and oversaw Joba’s demise into nothing. And now he wants to undermine the entire organization by making moronic comments to the media, as if he and his tremendous track record as both a major league starter (!) and as a major league pitching coach (!) empower him to make a fool out of his general manager. Why Ron Guidry isn’t still here is beyond me.

    Lets go through the laundry list of Guidry’s successes:

    1) Forcing a terrible Jaret Wright to go ‘all out’ in his starts, turning him into a five inning pitcher but an albeit palatable one who gave the Yankees some return on their investment and helped them get to the playoffs.

    2) Oversaw Wang’s evolution into a frontline starter

    3) Oversaw Scott Proctor’s development into an excellent reliever

    4) Overseeing the greatest successes of Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy’s short careers as starters in September 2008

    Eiland’s one job was to develop young starting pitching. HIs insecurities about the horrific job he did with Chamberlain have led him to lambast him and all the work he put into the role he deserves to be in. He was made a part of this staff not because AJ Burnett and CC Sabathia and Andy Pettitte needed help, but instead to integrate the organization’s array of young starters and relievers into the current framework of things. Aside from Robertson I don’t see any evidence of him doing crap.

  143. GC March 29th, 2010 at 3:09 am

    So in closing, Joba might as well not be a part of this organization anymore. He’s a useless piece now, albeit one that Mike Francesa and John Harper can get off to while he pumps his fist wildly after striking out the 7-8-9 hitters for the Kansas City Royals in a three run game.

    Great work.

  144. upstate kate March 29th, 2010 at 7:45 am

    wow, where does all this negativity come from?

    There was only one spot in the rotation and it went to Phil. Next year there may be more openings, and Joba could work his way back in. Lets see how 2010 works out.

    I will miss some of the guys from last year, but am looking forward to what the new guys bring. Granderson has looked great, as has Javy and Nick. I was happy to see the greeting that Johnny D got. I think we have an excellent team this year :)

  145. blake March 29th, 2010 at 7:46 am

    I hate I missed the Charleston talk last night because its one of my favorite places. If you haven’t been, go in the spring or early summer, you’ll love it. One of my best friends is moving there in June which is great cause I can visit ;).

  146. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter March 29th, 2010 at 7:53 am

    No posts since 3:09??????

    Wake up everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Btw- I hope people took the over in my mission to be here by 7. I arrived at 7:32 :-)

  147. upstate kate March 29th, 2010 at 7:55 am

    Erica
    what are Blake and I, chopped liver? And I even put in a good work for Johnny D :)

  148. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter March 29th, 2010 at 7:57 am

    upstate kate
    March 29th, 2010 at 7:55 am
    Erica
    what are Blake and I, chopped liver? And I even put in a good work for Johnny D
    **********************

    Sorry Kate!

    I made a rookie mistake. I loaded the page, looked through the comments then walked away to chat for 15 minutes and then commented without refreshing. Silly Erica!

  149. upstate kate March 29th, 2010 at 8:09 am

    thats ok Erica, its early and a Monday besides :)

  150. Doreen - 2010 GTLU March 29th, 2010 at 8:15 am

    Erica -

    I’ve been here, but reading last night’s posts for over an hour!

    Beyond that, I really have nothing fresh to add to the Great Joba Debate. :)

  151. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter March 29th, 2010 at 8:17 am

    upstate kate
    March 29th, 2010 at 8:09 am
    thats ok Erica, its early and a Monday besides

    **********************

    Its a rainy Monday on March 29th in a CPA office. Things could get potentially ugly here today

  152. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 8:20 am

    Nothing to say, lol. I disagree about Eiland and I disagree about Joba getting screwed out of the #5 spot. At some point, you have to give up the ghost.

  153. Jweav March 29th, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Just got my Yankee tickets for a game in Comerica park. The first game against johnny in a Detroit uni. I’m 4th row off Yanks dugout. Can’t wait.

  154. upstate kate March 29th, 2010 at 8:24 am

    hang in there Erica, another couple of weeks!

    welcome back Doreen :)

    Blake
    We haven’t explored much of the SE, but expect to travel to Savannah as we have friends who recently relocated there. Sounds like a trip to Charleston may be in order as well.

  155. SJ44 March 29th, 2010 at 8:24 am

    What was odd about last nights debate was the unique grading system some had for Eiland.

    Whatever went right last year was either luck or had nothing to do with Eiland. Whatever went wrong was his fault.

    Like I said, it’s bizarre.

  156. Doreen - 2010 GTLU March 29th, 2010 at 8:25 am

    Thanks, upstate kate. :)

  157. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter March 29th, 2010 at 8:35 am

    New thread :arrow:

  158. Ramondo March 29th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Dan @ 10:15

    I agree wholeheartedly but what can you do? It is what it is and we as fans have to move on! But….MAN IT’S HARD!!

  159. mattew crorkz August 27th, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    FSnDy6 Good article and straight to the point. I am not sure if this is truly the best place to ask but do you people have any thoughts on where to get some professional writers? Thank you :)

  160. labor day greetings August 28th, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    A round of applause for your blog. Keep writing.

  161. external link August 28th, 2014 at 9:14 pm

    My brother recommended I would possibly like this web site. He was once totally right. This put up truly made my day. You can not believe simply how a lot time I had spent for this info! Thanks!

  162. Drop Weight Tester August 29th, 2014 at 12:05 am

    Fantastic article post. Will read on…

  163. dubai hospital August 29th, 2014 at 7:09 am

    Thanks for sharing, this is a fantastic blog article. Awesome.

  164. criminal lawyers ottawa August 29th, 2014 at 7:17 am

    Valuable information. Lucky me I found your website by accident, and I am shocked why this accident didn’t happened earlier! I bookmarked it.

  165. bra flyttfirma stockholm August 30th, 2014 at 8:31 am

    You completed a number of nice points there. I did a search on the topic and found most people will agree with your blog.

  166. vip diary August 30th, 2014 at 1:33 pm

    I’m still learning from you, while I’m trying to achieve my goals. I definitely liked reading everything that is posted on your blog.Keep the stories coming. I loved it!

  167. Bathroom Remodeling Contractors September 2nd, 2014 at 6:19 am

    I am so grateful for your blog post. Cool.

  168. dating tips September 3rd, 2014 at 8:29 am

    You made some respectable points there. I seemed on the web for the difficulty and located most people will associate with with your website.

  169. best non stick cookware September 6th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    Major thankies for the blog article. Really Great.

  170. Heart Beat September 8th, 2014 at 6:21 am

    Major thanks for the post.Really thank you! Awesome.

  171. buy vine likes September 8th, 2014 at 8:05 am

    I really like and appreciate your article.Much thanks again. Fantastic.

  172. easy make money online September 8th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    Wow! Thank you! I constantly needed to write on my site something like that. Can I include a portion of your post to my site?

  173. Botanique condominium September 9th, 2014 at 6:44 am

    I really like and appreciate your blog article.Really thank you! Fantastic.

  174. seo agency September 11th, 2014 at 6:27 am

    I’d have to test with you here. Which is not one thing I usually do! I take pleasure in studying a publish that may make people think. Additionally, thanks for permitting me to remark!

  175. custom essays September 11th, 2014 at 7:51 am

    What’s Happening i’m new to this, I stumbled upon this I have found It positively useful and it has helped me out loads. I hope to contribute & help other users like its aided me. Great job.

  176. girl September 11th, 2014 at 5:54 pm

    I really like and appreciate your blog.Thanks Again. Want more.

  177. Ipas2 marketing system September 14th, 2014 at 10:17 am

    I appreciate you sharing this blog post.Really thank you! Great.

  178. yacht accessories September 14th, 2014 at 7:50 pm

    I loved your post.Thanks Again. Much obliged.

  179. Speed Ranking System September 16th, 2014 at 8:07 am

    Really appreciate you sharing this blog post. Will read on…

  180. iPhone Giveaway 2014 September 16th, 2014 at 11:38 am

    Great, thanks for sharing this article. Want more.

Leave a comment below


Sponsored by:
 

Search

    Advertisement

    Follow

    Mobile

    Read The LoHud Yankees Blog on the go by navigating to the blog on your smartphone or mobile device's browser. No apps or downloads are required.

Advertisement

Place an ad

Call (914) 694-3581