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Aceves day-to-day with sore back

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 29, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Alfredo Aceves will skip tomorrow’s scheduled relief appearance because of a sore back. Joe Girardi said Aceves has been tight and “a little out of line” for a few days and the Yankees decided today to give him a few days off.

It’s possible the problem could keep Aceves off the Opening Day roster, but Girardi said right now he believes Aceves will pitch later this week and be ready for the opener.

The problem started in September and Aceves saw a doctor in January. Girardi said Aceves is better today than he was over the weekend.

“It’s something we’re going to have to manage,” he said.

• Girardi said the team will likely wait until Thursday or Friday before finalizing their roster. “I imagine we’ll go pretty far,” Girardi said.

• The idea of starting Phil Hughes in the minor leagues and calling him up when the Yankees need a fifth starter remains a possibility. “I have not had a chance to talk to Cash about it yet, (to finalize) how we’re going to do it.”

• Who starts in center field? “I’m not quite read to make that decision,” Girardi said. “But I’m definitely leaning one way.” If I had to guess, I’d say it’s Curtis Granderson. Joel Sherman has reported that a source told him the organization is leaning that way.

• On the travel roster for tomorrow’s split-squad game against the Braves is switch-pitcher Pat Venditte, and Girardi is pumped. “I’ve wanted to see it all spring,” he said. “I’d like to put him in against a left, right, left.”

• Available to pitch today: Javier Vazquez, Joba Chamberlain, Dave Robertson, Grant Duff and Royce Ring.

• Available off the bench: C P.J. Pilittere, C Ryan Baker, INF Ramiro Pena, INF Jose Pirela, INF Justin Snyder, INF Marcos Vechionacci, OF Jon Weber, OF David Winfree, OF Edwar Gonzalez and OF Ray Kruml.

• I’ll have more on it later tonight, but former Eastern League Pitcher of the Year Alan Horne is scheduled for rotator cuff surgery on April 9. He has more than an 80 percent tear. It’s a brutal blow for a very good pitcher who’s had trouble staying healthy the past two years.

With that, I’m getting in a car with Erik Boland and making the drive to Sarasota. I’ll be back with more from down there.

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535 Responses to “Aceves day-to-day with sore back”

  1. yankeesfann March 29th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    That is tough to hear about Horne…. Hopefully Venditte is pitching on the game that is on tv

  2. Brandon Awesome (B/c I'm more AWESOME than RAW w/ no Miz) March 29th, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    Horne’s career is done.

  3. CC Bigs March 29th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Do pitchers come back from signicant tears to rotator cuff? Is this career ending?

  4. NYYROC March 29th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    If Hughes does start the season in AAA, I hope the NYY have him at YS for the Opening Day ceremonies and ring presentation.He played a big role last year and he deserves to be there. Would stink if he had to watch it on TV from SWB.

  5. m March 29th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Hopefully Aceves gets better. Can’t do much about Horne, poor guy.

    Jumping into the Joba fray. I looked at his game logs last night, and nothing terrible stood out. I didn’t see evidence that the Rules ruined anything.

    He had a couple of games that really skewed his ERA, but all pitchers do.

    What does show up is what we saw. Dude was inefficient. Too many baserunners allowed.

    Anyway, I think some of that (along with Joba’s diminished stuff), opened the door and he was ultimately escorted out.

  6. m March 29th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    I like Gardner in center. But I won’t put him above the team. It’s not the New York Gardners. :P

  7. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    How exactly did Aceves hurt his back? This makes getting rid of Gaudin even sillier ….. They’re going to have to manage his back problem? That’s not good news no matter how you slice it.

  8. Erin March 29th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    Girardi said right now he believes Aceves will pitch later this week and be ready for the opener.

    **********************
    That’s good :)

  9. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Poor Phil, that would stink if he had to miss the ring ceremony; of course, the SP that day won’t get to participate either (well, at least AJ wouldn’t).

  10. vinny-b (Granderson is my fave NYY position player - no rite of passage necessary) March 29th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    ok fellas. Thank you for the info (re: changeup)

    on this subject, i was thinking of hitters looking at a pitch due to being locked-up. However, maybe i have it backwards. Maybe it is a fastball which almost always locks up hitters, and not a changeup

    thanks

  11. Erin March 29th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    m
    March 29th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
    I like Gardner in center. But I won’t put him above the team. It’s not the New York Gardners.

    **********************
    :lol:

  12. Jerkface March 29th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    I think the rules might have messed with Joba, but its really Joba’s fault. How can you not put up even like 2 IP of 0 R? He really sucked once those rules went into effect.

  13. Joe from Long Island March 29th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Chad – Safe driving.

    It’s terrible luck for Alan Horne. Two years ago he was a hot shot pitching prospect, and since then he’s had nothing but injuries. 80% tear in the rotator cuff does not sound good, and, given the track record for these injuries, it might signal the end of his pro career. I know there are worse things in the world, but, having your dreams potentially end this way has to be tough for the kid.

  14. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    That’s a pretty serious injury for horne. Even though sports surgery has come a long way in 35 years, it ended Mel Stottlemyre’s career. It’s not like they can do a rotator cuff replacement. Surgery and rest may help, but, he’d have to come back as a junk baller if he did. Chances are slim and none.

  15. raymagnetic March 29th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    A pitcher with an 80% rotator cuff tear is finished. Sucks for him.

    Aceves is a relief pitcher, he isn’t spot starting anymore, that’s what likely messed him up to begin with.

    What would have been silly is paying Gaudin 3 mil to pitch a couple innings a week. That’s a waste of resources.

  16. tk March 29th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    “If I had to guess, I’d say it’s Curtis Granderson. Joel Sherman has reported that a source told him the organization is leaning that way.”

    Not directly related to the post, but I had heard someone reference how successful Granderson was at pulling the ball last year, so I took a look at this on BaseballReference and was blown away. Granderson pulled the ball to left in 187 PAs, racking up 85 hits, 17 2Bs, 25 HRs, with a line of .457/.457/.973/1.430. I think we’ll get to enjoy seeing Granderson really take advantage of RF, regardless of whether CF or LF is his defensive home.

  17. RayVT March 29th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    NYYROC
    March 29th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Things were much simpler then. Today if a pitcher throws High & Tight he gets ejected or at least warned. So many pitchers have given up pitching inside that now it is much tougher to be a pitcher.

  18. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    That really stinks for Horne, poor guy. I hope he can stay involved in the game somehow even if he can no longer pitch.

  19. Jerkface March 29th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Aceves is a relief pitcher, he isn’t spot starting anymore, that’s what likely messed him up to begin with.

    I think his doctor stated that aceves needed regular scheduled work. Relief would not provide that.

  20. Chip March 29th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    A few thoughts:

    1. Best of luck to Alan Horne, he’s battled back from injuries time after time and I’m sure he’ll battle back from this one too.

    2. On the issue of 2nd lefty – I would love for them to take Boone Logan north. I haven’t been thrilled with what we’ve seen from Marte this spring and I think that with Park, Robertson and likely Joba – the Yankees could afford to start the season without Alfredo Aceves on the roster.

    3. I would leave Granderson in CF – if Gardner is just holding the place for Crawford then there’s no sense in moving Granderson this year only to have him move again next year. Besides, Gardner won’t be an everyday player so moving Granderson depending on whether or not Brett is playing doesn’t make sense.

    4. Obviously the statements by Billy Eppler and Dave Eiland this weekend are just their opinions and both men admitted that the final decisions on whether Joba ever starts again are above their pay grade, but I agree with them that there’s very little chance Joba will ever start again. More than that, I don’t think he’s ever going to close for the Yankees either.

    Mariano Rivera has said he may want to pitch for as many as five more years. Even if we assume he doesn’t make those five years – let’s say he makes it to 3 years – is there anyone who believes that Joba will be content to be a middle reliever for 3 years after this one? Granted, there isn’t a whole lot that Joba can do about the situation, but I would be willing to bet that if Chamberlain is still a reliever this time next year the headlines will be “Joba Asks for Trade”

  21. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    Ray, maybe so, but Joe just said they’re going to have to manage Aceves’ back this year; therefore, there are going to be times when he’s unavailable. Mitre, even if he were any good, is not that type of versatile arm.

  22. Frank March 29th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    “He had a couple of games that really skewed his ERA, but all pitchers do.”

    That cuts both ways. You take away his three starts after the break last year, the other 27 starts resulted in a 5.40 ERA.

    You have it right though. Inefficiency, allowing too many baserunners, and putting the teams fate in the hands of the pen far too often, were big problems last year.

  23. GreenBeret7 March 29th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Betsy, unless there is damage to a lower body injury, muscle or a disc, it’s not all that serious. Teams work around back issues all the time. It could be spasms or just about anything else. Of course, there’s always the new wife issue that might be causing it, too. NYY worked around Pettitte’s and Clemens back troubles from time to time, as well as Kyle Farnsworth’s. They’ll just have to do a daily check with Aceves and decide when or whether he’s good for that day.

  24. raymagnetic March 29th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    “I think his doctor stated that aceves needed regular scheduled work. Relief would not provide that.”

    he’ll never get regular work unless he’s a starter anyway so I guess the Yankees will be dealing with his back issues the rest of the year.

  25. NYYROC March 29th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    RayVT, It was 30 years ago but playing summer ball as a kid we didn’t think twice about “buzzing the tower”. It really was an accepted part of the game. Not anymore (sigh) :)

  26. Jerkface March 29th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    he’ll never get regular work unless he’s a starter anyway so I guess the Yankees will be dealing with his back issues the rest of the year.

    Thats the point. Aceves really needs to be a starter according to: Aceves, Aceves’ doctor

    He probably see’s the writing on the wall, and while I don’t doubt the legitimacy of the back issue it is a convienent way to work a trade if he really HAS to be a starter.

    I wonder how often this back issue is going to ruin his availability.

  27. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Michael Kay is saying Mitre finished 2nd in the race for the 5th spot, and that there were people who were pushing for Aceves. Of course, he’s also saying there’s uneasiness around the camp about the Joba stuff and I seriously doubt that.

  28. stuckey (”its ok to agree to disagree”) March 29th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Vinny, for the most part a change shouldn’t lock a player up. The whole point is to be indistinguishable from a fastball when it leaves the pitchers hand.

    A high-breaking “hammer” curve will lock a player up. It starts looking high and a batter gives us but its breaks becomes recognizable, which results in the “locked up” look. The batter knows it a curve 1/2 of the way to them but it’s too late to do anything about it, hence jerking action or the player seemingly headed to the bench before the umpire makes his call.

  29. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Cash will be on with Kay at 4pm. Kay just said that Joe told him that Joba is in the pen the entire year, that he’s not going to start at all this year.

  30. Phil The Thrill March 29th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Betsy,

    How can you doubt that? There is really only one issue with Joba and it’s his missing stuff. You better believe it’s a concern.

  31. RayVT March 29th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    That really sucks for Horne! Hopefully he will gain most of his range of motion back & arm strength. He is still very young. The surgery is much less complicated today than it use to be. I wish him the best!

  32. vinny-b (Granderson is my fave NYY position player - no rite of passage necessary) March 29th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    potential 2011 lineup:

    Crawford
    Jeter
    Texeria
    Arod
    Nick Johnson
    Jesus Montero
    Cano
    Swisher
    Granderson

    (or definition of the word UNCLE)

  33. Jerkface March 29th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Horne is like 26, I guess thats young, but he last pitched a full season in 2007. I think he is closer to done.

  34. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Kay saying that Phil has not been that good as a starter in the majors and that doesn’t think the Yankees are better with Phil in the rotation instead of Joba. He’s taking them to task for now making Joba a reliever after him having no restraints this year and he doesn’t see how Joba can start next year after being in the pen.

  35. pat March 29th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    I was out most of yesterday and I didn’t read all the comments but did we ever get a translation on this?

    “Marcuaswikll be the rigfht hsndrd poweremdtivkoff ovr thr benchTrust nem thid is gaame wherr..Your basllteam kakd thr doeed anbd sbitiy ti just simpley ubder thhe comparisn,,,,So this a lost cause, and i; its tomr to mobr in,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,See all in costea nesa,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,”

  36. raymagnetic March 29th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    Jerkface,

    you may have a point, maybe Aceves is trying to get traded. I’m sure he wants to start and make more money.

  37. tk March 29th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    “Inefficiency, allowing too many baserunners, and putting the teams fate in the hands of the pen far too often, were big problems last year.”

    Definitely…through July 10th (prior to Joba’s three dominant starts and horrible finish to the season), Joba pitched 89 innings and had an ERA of 4.25. Not that bad on the surface, but he allowed 97 hits and 42 walks, for a 1.56 WHIP. During this period opponents hit .282/.372/.817. I think those numbers better reflect the struggles we all saw Joba suffer through. Hopefully the routine he will have as a reliever will enable him to be far more effective than what we saw last year.

  38. CountryClub March 29th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    That really is a shame for Horne. he had some legit stuff before all the injuries started to pile up. At one point he was going to be the first pitcher called up if someone got hurt in the rotation.

    It’s just another reminder why you can’t fall in love with prospects (especially pitchers). If someone is offering a fair deal for an established player and you have to give up a legit prospect, you have to make the deal (unless it’s one of your truly untouchables).

    That’s why they have Javy and Granderson this yr instead of Jackson and Vizcaino.

  39. m March 29th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    Kay is certainly entitled to his opinion. But, he’s the only one I’ve seen to publicly take that stance (you know, besides here).

  40. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    Phil, how can I doubt what?

    GB, I hope you’re right….

  41. RayVT March 29th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    NYYROC
    March 29th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    So true. You didn’t charge the mound unless you wanted to really fight too!! LOL!

  42. vinny-b (Granderson is my fave NYY position player - no rite of passage necessary) March 29th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    “Vinny, for the most part a change shouldn’t lock a player up. The whole point is to be indistinguishable from a fastball when it leaves the pitchers hand.
    A high-breaking “hammer” curve will lock a player up. It starts looking high and a batter gives us but its breaks becomes recognizable, which results in the “locked up” look. The batter knows it a curve 1/2 of the way to them but it’s too late to do anything about it, hence jerking action or the player seemingly headed to the bench before the umpire makes his call”
    —————————————————-

    thank you. Based on this, and also what GB & NYYROC explained, now i know why my changeup in MLB 10 (PS3) always gets hammered : )

  43. CountryClub March 29th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Betsy,

    Kay is a clown (not just because of his views on Joba and Hughes). He’s never liked Phil. And he’s completely wrong about Joba starting next year. He can absolutely be a starter next yr and his innings limit would be in the 170 -200 range. More than enough for a 5th starter. Whether the Yanks want him to start next yr is a whole different story, but it’ll have nothing to do with an innings limitation.

  44. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    M, he’s never been that high on Phil, so I’m not surprised. Phil’s a kid who’s been injured more often than not, but for some reason Kay focuses on the negative with him. Well, he must be a doctor because he just said that if Joba is in the rotation next year, he’ll probably get hurt. I had to turn him off.

  45. Frank March 29th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    Crawford
    Jeter
    Texeria
    Arod
    Nick Johnson
    Jesus Montero
    Cano
    Swisher
    Granderson

    I’d guess Posada is still going to his full compliment of AB’s. Johnson may be one and done.

  46. randy l. March 29th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    “The sky was ominous as we began one of our rounds at one of the courses at St. Andrews (either the Eden or Jubilee course). ”

    nick in sf-

    any story that starts like that has to be a good one.
    it sounds like some serious wind and rain came up.
    of course , the pubs afterward must be some consolation to the bad weather.

    did you play carnoustie ?i heard that’s the hardest one over there.

    once i learn how to play again, i have to get over there.

  47. Erin March 29th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Betsy -Romine wasn’t built in a day
    March 29th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
    Kay saying that Phil has not been that good as a starter in the majors and that doesn’t think the Yankees are better with Phil in the rotation instead of Joba

    *************************
    Betsy, I wouldn’t pay too much attention-Kay has never really liked Hughes.

  48. NYYROC March 29th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Kay is probably still mad at Phil (and IPK) for their dismal 2008 seasons, thereby undermining Mikey’s “Generation Trey” catch phrase. Kay probably still has 1000s of those t-shirts he had printed stored in a warehouse in NJ. :)

  49. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Country Club, I’m glad someone else said it and it wasn’t just me. No, Kay has never liked Phil; I still remember he and Al Leiter saying in August of 2007 that they didn’t see anything special in Phil. This while the kid was rehabbing from very serious leg injuries. Kay sounded like an idiot then, but I was more disappointed in Leiter. In any case, I usually don’t listen to Kay when it comes to Phil.

  50. m March 29th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=5036408

    Oh, boy…clutch redux…

  51. vinny-b (Granderson is my fave NYY position player - no rite of passage necessary) March 29th, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    “I’d guess Posada is still going to his full compliment of AB’s. Johnson may be one and done”
    ————————————–

    if not mistaken, Nick Johsnon’s contract has a mutal option. In this case, you may be right

    however, after this season i expect the Yankees will want to keep NJ. Expect a big season from him

  52. Jerkface March 29th, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    For some reason I can stream WFAN but I can’t stream ESPN, stupid work. Oh well.

    “Marcuaswikll be the rigfht hsndrd poweremdtivkoff ovr thr benchTrust nem thid is gaame wherr..Your basllteam kakd thr doeed anbd sbitiy ti just simpley ubder thhe comparisn,,,,So this a lost cause, and i; its tomr to mobr in,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,See all in costea nesa,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,”

    Marcus will be the right handed powerhitter off the bench. Trust me, this is a game where your ballteam kakd the fight and ability to just simply under the comparison, so this is a lost cause and times to move on, see you all in costa mesa?

    Pat M went off the reservation.

  53. Patrick from CT March 29th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    I hope they don’t send Phil to AAA to start the season but I could see him traveling to either AA or AAA to make a couple of starts to stay on turn. He should be in Boston on Opening night and in NY for the home opener. Maybe he’ll make a start for Tampa when they travel there.

  54. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    LOL NYY

    CountryClub, you’re right – but Kay is more clueless than I thought. I don’t know what he has against Phil; it’s strange. Let’s see – he hated Torre, he hated Mussina and he doesn’t like Swisher. I wonder who else he doesn’t like.

  55. Erin March 29th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    NYYROC
    March 29th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
    Kay is probably still mad at Phil (and IPK) for their dismal 2008 seasons, thereby undermining Mikey’s “Generation Trey” catch phrase. Kay probably still has 1000s of those t-shirts he had printed stored in a warehouse in NJ.

    *************************
    LMAO

  56. Nick in SF in Healdsburg March 29th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    I think Pat M was inviting everyone to Costa Mesa. It’s a 7+ hour drive for me, so I didn’t go.

  57. Jerkface March 29th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    I wonder who else he doesn’t like.

    Kay also hates condiments, and so he will never attend a game at Great American Ballpark on account of their condiment race.

  58. Erin March 29th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Betsy -Romine wasn’t built in a day
    March 29th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
    LOL NYY

    Let’s see – he hated Torre, he hated Mussina and he doesn’t like Swisher.

    ******************************
    Maybe I’m remembering wrong, but he didn’t like Giambi either, did he?

  59. Frank March 29th, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    “however, after this season i expect the Yankees will want to keep NJ. Expect a big season from him”

    I expect a big OBP and maybe 13-15 homers. Giambi-lite offense. Neither Posada nor Montero will get everyday AB’s at catcher, so I think the DH spot may need to be a little flexible in 2011.

  60. Patrick from CT March 29th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Kay’s eago is too big. He’s not that good anymore.
    I liked Singleton and Cone in the booth last year. Too bad Cone is gone…

  61. Nick in SF in Healdsburg March 29th, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    randy: no Carnoustie, no Turnberry, none of the most famous/most expensive courses. But every course we played was fantastic.

  62. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    He also doesn’t like pies, lol.

    Generation Trey was the stupidest nickname I’ve ever heard; was it Kay or Sherman that came up with that? Either way, it was horrid……and I can’t believe it caught on in the media.

  63. timo March 29th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    “randy l.
    March 29th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
    ‘The sky was ominous as we began one of our rounds at one of the courses at St. Andrews (either the Eden or Jubilee course).’

    nick in sf-

    any story that starts like that has to be a good one.”

    ____________________________________________

    The sea was angry that day my friends . . .

  64. stuckey (”its ok to agree to disagree”) March 29th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    …Like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli.

  65. Nick in SF in Healdsburg March 29th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    Given that my financial future is riding on my “Generation Just Us Two” trademark, no one should doubt my devotion to Joba AND Phil.

    :worriedface:

  66. m March 29th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    I can’t tune in to Kay right now (so bummed). I don’t think espn archives their interviews. Can someone transcribe? Please?

  67. Erin March 29th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    timo
    March 29th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    The sea was angry that day my friends . . .

    ****************************
    Like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli

  68. raymagnetic March 29th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Generation Trey was a spinoff of generation K. The Mets failed trio of pitchers iirc :(

  69. Erin March 29th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    stuckey (”its ok to agree to disagree”)
    March 29th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
    …Like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli.

    *******************************
    You beat me! lol

  70. pat March 29th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Jerkface

    You’re good. I couldn’t have come up with “fight” from “doeed” if you spotted me 3 letters.

  71. Chip March 29th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    I give Kay a bit of a pass on his “ripping” of the Yankees.

    I think he’s between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand he doesn’t want to be branded as a Yankee Homer on his radio show but because his paychecks say YES Network he has to go over the top when he rips the club to show “see, I’m no Yankee mouthpiece”

    That said, he’s certainly entitled to be passionate in his belief that Joba should be a starter – much like Francesa is entitled to go off the walls about Joba being a reliever.

  72. stuckey (”its ok to agree to disagree”) March 29th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    How about his new nickname for Chamberlain/Hughes –

    The 92 Duo

    92 as in their top velocity…

    Ah forget it…

  73. Carl March 29th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    m March 29th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    I can’t tune in to Kay right now (so bummed). I don’t think espn archives their interviews. Can someone transcribe? Please?

    They always archive interviews.

  74. disco stu March 29th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    Are we talking about the same Michael Kay who absurdly suggested Bobby Knight as the next head coach at St. John’s without taking into consideration that the main reason Knight will probably never coach again is because of his disdain for recruiting?

    The more I listen to him the more I begin to wonder who has the bigger ego … Kay or Francesa … at least Francesa has the ratings to back up the bravado.

    Kay is such a tool.

  75. Chip March 29th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Patrick -

    It makes some sense to start Phil at AAA (or leave him in Tampa on extended spring training) just to make sure he gets regular work.

    I haven’t really broken down the schedule but with off days and such the Yankees probably won’t need five starters for the first couple of turns through the rotation, so there’s really no point in keeping Hughes on the roster when he could be pitching.

  76. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    Chip, he wasn’t discussing whether Joba should be a starter or reliever. He was ripping the Yankees for making a decision and using non-facts to back him up. He didn’t mention Phil developing a change (big suprise), he didn’t mention that Phil HAS shown flashes in his big league starting stints and he sure as heck didn’t mention the problems Joba had last year. This is on top of being dead wrong about Joba not being able to start next year if the Yankees want him to.

    M, what I posted is basically what Kay said. I am not listening to him anymore – I turned him off.

  77. Frank March 29th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    “Are we talking about the same Michael Kay who absurdly suggested Bobby Knight as the next head coach at St. John’s without taking into consideration that the main reason Knight will probably never coach again is because of his disdain for recruiting?”

    Recruiting?? I thought he had disdain for people in general.

  78. Bronx Jeers March 29th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    m,

    I’m sort of listening to Kay.

    Same old stuff.

    Joba’s been on Dancing With The Stars but could only use 1 leg.

    He finally got both legs.

    Starters are expensive. They can always pay for BP help.

    This is all because of 2007.

    yada,yada,yada…

  79. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Kay is talking big now, but watch him wimp out when Cash comes on. If he had any guts, he would tell CAsh he thinks going with Phil is a dumb idea…….but Kay just has a gut, he doesn’t have guts.

  80. Chip March 29th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Betsy –

    All these guys go over the top. It’s just like what I say about Keith Law – if these guys were half as smart as they think they are when it comes to baseball they would be in front offices and not on radio shows.

  81. stuckey (”its ok to agree to disagree”) March 29th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    I really don’t understand Francesca. Does he still have good ratings?

    The last few times I tried to listen for a few minutes since Russo left I couldn’t believe how much open disdain he has for his callers.

    His audience must be a seriously self-loathing bunch.

  82. CU Tiger March 29th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    At least with Torre and Moose you could argue there were some personal conflicts (which he escalated to a junior high level of foolishness). Kay dislikes Swish for the same reason he continues (including on Saturday’s game broadcast) to harp on the AJ pieing- he’s a self-important,generally humorless man. I truly do not understand what his issue is with Phil.

  83. Frank March 29th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    “All these guys go over the top. It’s just like what I say about Keith Law – if these guys were half as smart as they think they are when it comes to baseball they would be in front offices and not on radio shows.”

    Plenty of shyte for brains in MLB front offices, Chip.

  84. Carl March 29th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Chip March 29th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Betsy –

    All these guys go over the top. It’s just like what I say about Keith Law – if these guys were half as smart as they think they are when it comes to baseball they would be in front offices and not on radio shows.

    Ouch.

  85. Chip March 29th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Betsy -Romine wasn’t built in a day
    March 29th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
    Kay is talking big now, but watch him wimp out when Cash comes on. If he had any guts, he would tell CAsh he thinks going with Phil is a dumb idea…….but Kay just has a gut, he doesn’t have guts.
    ——————–

    Agreed – but again, he’s not alone in that either.

  86. m March 29th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Thanks. Went straight to 1050 instead of thru espn.com.

    I do see they archive stuff (thank goodness, wouldn’t sit through a podcast just for one segment). Let’s see if they have the guts to post Cashmoney. ;)

  87. Chip March 29th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    my problem is less with what Kay says and more with how he says it. When he gets annoyed he gets very whiney and it’s like listening to a kid throw a temper tantrum.

  88. raymagnetic March 29th, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    Betsy,

    do you really think it would be a wise career move for Kay to hammer Cashman during his interview? Kay knows where his bread is buttered, he’s no dummy.

  89. Nick in SF in Healdsburg March 29th, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    Sf Giants/sports talk station host just called Matt Cain extension a “pre-emtive anti-Yankee move.”. :)

  90. Phil The Thrill March 29th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Leiter wasn’t a Phil fan, only having seen him in his injured phase, and he apparently told Kay that Hughes would never succeed cause his fastball was “straight as a pin.” So Kay has run with that for the past few years.

  91. Bronx Jeers March 29th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Sf Giants/sports talk station host just called Matt Cain extension a “pre-emtive anti-Yankee move.”.

    ————————————————–

    That’s too bad. Cain would have been a good middle-reliever. :wink:

  92. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Ray, no of course not, but he could say that he disagrees and doesn’t understand it. He won’t, though.

    IMO, Keith Law would do great in limbo contests because he’s as low as you could get; I despise him.

    CU Tiger, agreed; Kay is personally a nice guy (I met him a few years ago) and he’s nice to his callers, but he has a stick up his rear end.

  93. Nick in SF in Healdsburg March 29th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    But I thought Al Leiter was the ultimate authority on pitching and catching issues. :mad:

  94. SJ44 March 29th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Even though you can because of the April off days, I hope they don’t skip anybody and just run the 5 guys out there in turn.

    CC, AJ and Andy pitched late into the year last season.

    Any extra days you get them now will help you later in the season.

    Plus, it’s good to get Hughes going as early as possible to get used to starting at the major league level again.

  95. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Phil, Leiter should have known better (you’re absolutely right about Kay running with that). He should have done his research on Phil…..I mean, did he even watch him that game in Texas? He knew Phil had ripped his hamstring and suffered the worst kind of sprained ankle; it doesn’t say much for Leiter, to be honest.

  96. SJ44 March 29th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    True re: Leiter.

    Cone on the other hand, loved Hughes.

    As they say, different strokes for different folks.

  97. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    No, Nick, that would be Francesca. I like Leiter, but I admit that that comment has always bothered me.

  98. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 29th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Nick in SF in Healdsburg
    March 29th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    The notion that Joba had a serious chance to win the rotation spot does not make sense in the new context of Eppler and Eiland’s remarks.
    =======

    Umm…wow. Yes. Most underrated post of the last few days.

    (or however long I started paying attention again).

  99. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    It’s fine to have an opinion, SJ, but Leiter based it on watching a kid who was very tentative after his injuries. Oddly, I don’t think he recanted even when Phil pitched so well against Cleveland.

  100. Jerkface March 29th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    You can see if Leiter reverses course on MLB Network.

  101. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    I guess I need to listen to Kay now…….but only because it’s Cash.

  102. NYYROC March 29th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    In the last day or so I read either here or on the YES board that even thought they haven’t formulated a plan yet, Joe was leaning toward not skipping Phil too much early for the reasons SJ mentioned. He doesn’t want the vets to get too many IP early on and he doesn’t want Phil to go weeks without pitching. He speculated that he would run the 5 out in order at least to start the season, meaning Hughes would pitch the 5th game Sat 4/10 @ TB. Still just speculation though.

  103. Bronx Jeers March 29th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Cash on with Kay now.

  104. Rice March 29th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    What’s wrong with Kay having an opinion?

    He thought Joba should start… nothing wrong with that. It doesn’t always have to be a slight on Hughes when someone takes an invested interest in Joba.

  105. Patrick from CT March 29th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Chip
    March 29th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
    Patrick -

    It makes some sense to start Phil at AAA (or leave him in Tampa on extended spring training) just to make sure he gets regular work.

    I haven’t really broken down the schedule but with off days and such the Yankees probably won’t need five starters for the first couple of turns through the rotation, so there’s really no point in keeping Hughes on the roster when he could be pitching.

    ============================================================

    At most I could see the Yankees skipping Phil the first 3 times through. They will need him for the west coast swing though.
    So, sure he does not need to be on the 25man until the 3rd week. I think he should travel with the ball club though. He can make a start in Tampa during the trip there and then he could make a start in Trenton or SWB during the first home stand.

  106. Jerkface March 29th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    meaning Hughes would pitch the 5th game Sat 4/10 @ TB.

    Ohhh I hope that happens, I’ll be there!

  107. m March 29th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Silver lining post:

    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....pen-25889/

  108. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Rice, if you know Kay’s history, you know that he doesn’t like Phil as a pitcher(certainly a starter). It’s pretty common knowledge among the fan base.

  109. SJ44 March 29th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Betsy,

    They are just opinions. In the end, it’s just noise.

    As far as Joba’s future, what gets lost in all of the whining about Eppler’s and Eiland’s comments are that BOTH have said the decision on Joba will be made by decisionmakers above them.

    In other words, if they decide to give Joba another shot at the rotation in 2011, that call will be made by Cashman and not Eppler or Eiland.

  110. Bronx Jeers March 29th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Cash says Eiland needs Joba to have the mindest of a reliever and that´s why he said that.

  111. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    SJ, you’re right, and the only opinions that count are the ones who decided that Phil was the team’s best option for the 5th starter this year. What a whiner Kay is to Cash, lol

  112. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Kay wants to keep Phil in the pen because he was so good last year in the pen……Cash is good, lol.

  113. Nick in SF in Healdsburg March 29th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    Thanks, bodhi.

    “The truth can’t hurt you
    it’s just like the dark
    It scares you witless
    But in time you see things clear and stark”

    – Elvis Costello

  114. CU Tiger March 29th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    M-
    I actually thought the RAB siver lining post was pretty rational. Although I did think the one comment that pointed out that Phil being lights out coming out of the pen may have had more to do with Phil Hughes being Phil Hughes than hanging out at Mo University was valid- especially since Veras and Ramirez were given as the other examples of Mo U graduates.

  115. Jerkface March 29th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    Anything interesting from Kay v Cashman?

  116. CU Tiger March 29th, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    Nick-

    The first time I saw Costello perform I Want You live I was totally creeped out (in a good way)

  117. Jay March 29th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    Cash: I don’t expect to see 98-100 again, because I haven’t seen it for 2 years.

  118. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    Only what would be expected. Cash had to explain to Kay that it’s easier to find relievers than good starters; I am not sure Kay got the idea that the Yankees clearly feel Phil was the best option this year.

  119. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    Kay willl be using the Rosetta Stone to try and parse what Cash said, lol

  120. KWAN March 29th, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    Cashman saying he doesn’t think we will see the 2007 Joba again because he hasn’t seen it in 2 years, so its not realistic to assume he will see it again. Says most likely he is now what he is.

    *in response to Kay asking him if he will regain that velo. he lost after the Texas injury

  121. CB March 29th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    Listening to Cash’s interview with Kay it sounds to me that the team has a significant level of concern regarding Joba “competing” and how he was “competing” last year.

    He mentioned something on this subject over and over and over in the interview. He tried to bridge it under the general subject of competition as a team philosophy, using Joba as an example of the team’s philosophy on the importance of players competing. But the message was very clear.

    He said something to the effect of Joba is competing with 12 other guys. He’s already lost out to 5 of them. Now he’s competing with the other 7.

    As an analogy he brought up Melky Cabrera. Cash said that Melky was with the Yanks he told him that there’s a guy in the minors – Brett Gardner – who is coming up who wants the CF job – don’t let him “catch you.”

    He mentioned how there were many guys in the minors like Melancon who were fighting to make it back to the majors and these also were guys Joba had to compete with.

    He brought up Brian Bruney going to Washington.

    And it’s not just this interview.

    Cash as we all know if the master of saying nothing. “Proces… yadda yadda… process…”

    Cashman though has made this a point in discussing Joba – the importance and need for him to compete for a spot on his team.

    It’s very difficult to not see this as direct or indirect message.

    On another note – Kay said to Cash that they haven’t seen the same Joba since he walked off the mound in Texas in 2008. He asked him whether we would see that guy again.

    Cashman said he didn’t think we’d every see Joba throwing high 90′s again because he hasn’t seen it for a long time.

    At the same time he didn’t attribute that to his arm injury.

    They’re placing the honus for all of this on Joba.

    They are not happy with him. They want him to fight for what he gets.

  122. Nick in SF in Healdsburg March 29th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    CU Tiger: likewise, he gets pretty intense with that one. Seen it several times, never bored me.

  123. Bronx Jeers March 29th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    Well, Cash is basically saying “It’s all hands on deck for 2010″

    Joba lost out in the competition. He didn’t do anything wrong.

    We could have put him AAA but we want him to help us 2010.

    We’re only thinking about 2010. Everybody has to work to keep their job.

    Interestingly enough, Kay asked Cash who the 6th starter is and Cash said it’s the next level of conversation we’ll have but then continued by saying that Joba looks great in that one inning role and Serge has never done it.

  124. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    That’s true, actually; I did find the competition portion very interesting. Does that get back to Joba needing outside motivation that other players don’t have? I still don’t understand how you lose velocity if it’s not due to an injury. I have a seder tonight, but later I’m going to re-listen to the interview because CB caught things I didn’t catch myself.

  125. randy l. March 29th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    “They’re placing the honus for all of this on Joba.”

    if it’s good enough for honus, it’s good enough for joba.

    honus wagner was a heck of a player :)

  126. vinny-b (Granderson is my fave NYY position player - no rite of passage necessary) March 29th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    Michael Kay doesn’t like Swisher? Maybe he needs to check in with a doctor

    that said, Francessa makes Michael Kay look like a perfect God

  127. CB March 29th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    randy,

    I am nothing if not a student of the game.

    The onus is indeed on me!

  128. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Oh lord, Randy worth the groan inducing pun; he and GB would make quite the pair

  129. Nick in SF in Healdsburg March 29th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    CB: you were accused of being impersonated yesterday (er, someone was accused of impersonating you).

    Can you confirm that it was you commenting yesterday in a thought-provoking manner?

  130. CU Tiger March 29th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Michael Kay generally refers to Swish as a clown. That being said, I much prefer Kay to any of the other sports radio alternatives.

  131. Jerkface March 29th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    I usually get my temperature taken in the honus.

  132. CB March 29th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    “Interestingly enough, Kay asked Cash who the 6th starter is and Cash said it’s the next level of conversation we’ll have but then continued by saying that Joba looks great in that one inning role and Serge has never done it.”

    I think he was also implicitly making an even larger point.

    Joba is going to have to compete with Sergio Mitre if he wants to get back into the rotation in 2010.

    He wasn’t making the same point as Eiland was about Joba having a role and sticking to that role.

    Cash said that if a starter goes down there are only two candidates to replace that starter from the 25 man roster – Mitre and Joba. It’s essentially a competition between them, with the caveat that Mitre doesn’t have experience in the pen. Even in this competition it seemed like he was saying the deck is stacked against Joba and he’d have to show them something to get himself back into the rotation.

  133. stuckey (”its ok to agree to disagree”) March 29th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    “honus wagner was a heck of a player :)”

    I’m jealous Rnday, it must have been so cool to see him play in person.

  134. Jay March 29th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    Fans always know more about the team than people in the media.

    Guys like Kay and Francesa don’t have time to read Yankee blogs/message boards all day, check out the Twitter updates from each beat-writer, read the 7-8 newspaper articles every morning, read each players quote to know what they are working on, etc.

    Most fans do have the time to do all this. The talk show hosts also have to pay attention to the NCAA, Knicks, NFL, Mets, Tiger Woods, etc. they can’t devote their day to educating themselves on the Yankees.

    Same reason people ask why ESPN or MLBN analysts sound clueless – they have to pay attention to all 30 teams. They don’t focus only on one like we do.

  135. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    If all this is true, boy – the Yankees seem pretty upset with Joba. I guess they’re tired of having to dangle a carrot in front of him, especially when others don’t need that carrot.

  136. Patrick March 29th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    From what CB is saying it seems to me that the Yankees think Joba is taking things for granted. Sounds like they are trying to motivate him by saying “We aren’t giving you anything anymore. Go out and earn it, kid”

    Maybe the Yankees are more annoyed at Joba’s attitude than we thought?

  137. NYYROC March 29th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    During the 2nd half of last year, Kay made a comment about Swisher to the effect that nobody could be as upbeat or “switched on” as Swisher is all the time.
    Kay implied that it was an act. Swisher had someone tell Kay he didn’t appreciate the comment and that it wasn’t an act.

  138. CB March 29th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Nick-

    No, that was me.

  139. vinny-b (Granderson is my fave NYY position player - no rite of passage necessary) March 29th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    what Kay needs to understand is there are different personality types. People like Swisher do exist. It’s just that Michael Kay isn’t one of them

  140. randy l. March 29th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    “I’m jealous Rnday, it must have been so cool to see him play in person.”

    stuckey-

    i only got to see honus play at the end of his career in 1917 when he was on the downslide.

    being quite a bit older ,gb7 saw him in 1897 and swears he was the best young player he’s ever seen.

    … but don’t feel left out , you may see honus play in heaven sooner than you think.

  141. Wave Your Hat March 29th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Attitude or no attitude, ST results or no ST results, Joba is a better pitcher than Mitre. If one of those two has to be a long term replacement for one of the original five starters, Joba would do the job better. If Mitre is the replacement starter, my guess is either Joba or someone outside the organization will get Mitre’s role sooner or later.

  142. G. Love March 29th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Sounds like Joba’s got a little of the “dog” in him.

    I remember last season all the conjecture about how Hughes wasn’t tough enough because of his upbringing and Joba was hungrier because of his. Interesting how things are turning out.

    It sounds like Joba got a taste of steak and rolled over on his belly for a scratch from NYC.

    My feelings are this; If Joba needs to be motivated and threatened all the time to perform, Joba should be used in a trade package while he still has any kind of value in this league.

    If Cleveland wasn’t set at catcher, I’d say offer them Joba, Gardner and Romine for Sizemore and see what they said.

  143. Patrick March 29th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Wow randy literally just threatened to murder a lohud blog poster. GLad it wasn’t me :)

  144. Fred March 29th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Why didn’t they need to dangle the carrot in front of him in 2008, when he was dominating before he got hurt? Did he need to be motivated when he threw 100 on his last pitch against JD Drew 2 summers ago?

    He suddenly became this stubborn, unmotivated kid after his injury?

  145. m March 29th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Wow! randy l said stuckey’s going to heaven!

  146. Jerkface March 29th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    That has to be against the TOS. And people here scoffed when I hoped all ‘old timey guts feelings guys’ would die from old age.

  147. SJ44 March 29th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    Patrick,

    Only those either not paying attention or were refusing to see the signs missed the fact the Yankees weren’t happy campers with him.

    That’s the thing with developing young players. It’s not always a straight line upward.

    If Joba performs well this year, he puts himself back in the mix. It’s all on him.

  148. Patrick March 29th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    I don’t see any way Joba starts this year unless he spends time in the minors or if one of the current rotation gets injured within the next 2 weeks. If he is a reliever and someone goes down in July or something, how can the Yankees expect him to throw 5 innings? They would probably just let Mitre go 4-5 then wing it the rest of the way. If it’s a serious injury, like lets say Pettitte’s shoulder falls apart I could see them putting Joba in AAA for 3 weeks then bringing him back up as a starter.

  149. Nick in SF in Healdsburg March 29th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Kay knows all about the underbelly.

    CB: thanks. As I thought.

  150. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 29th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Chip
    March 29th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
    Betsy –

    All these guys go over the top. It’s just like what I say about Keith Law – if these guys were half as smart as they think they are when it comes to baseball they would be in front offices and not on radio shows.

    ———————————-

    Keith Law could work in baseball if he wanted to. He has been offered several high ranking jobs but has turned them all down. He has a much more comfortable lifestyle working for ESPN and I could be wrong but I think he even makes more money than he would with a team.

    Working for a major league team is far from a glamorous lifestyle. Long hours, traveling, high stress, not great pay, very little job security.

  151. G. Love March 29th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Fred,

    I think the endorsement money started rolling in after 2007/2008 and ESPN had him on for everything and everyone in NYC knew him and opened their doors to him.

    That kind of acceptance can take away some of the drive in the wrong player.

    Not saying I know this for a fact. Just speculating.

  152. stuckey (”its ok to agree to disagree”) March 29th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    “… but don’t feel left out , you may see honus play in heaven sooner than you think.”

    What gives you the idea I’m getting into heaven??

  153. Rick March 29th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Aceves still has options if necessary. It might not hurt to have Boone Logan on the 25-man roster until the weather warms to help Aceves’ back problems.

  154. randy l. March 29th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    “Wow! randy l said stuckey’s going to heaven!”

    m-

    just long enough to face walter johnson,

    and then he’s being sent back down …

    way down.

  155. Blank March 29th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    I sometimes think that Kay purposely tries to make it appear that he doesn’t like some of the Yankees player – just so that he isin’t accused of being a Yankees homer (which everyone accuses him of).

    I guess he feels if he goes along with everything the Yankees do, it will appear that he is a shill. So he tried to make it appear that he disliked the pies and such, so that people would think he was objective and critical of them.

  156. Nick in SF in Healdsburg March 29th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    “I remember last season all the conjecture about how Hughes wasn’t tough enough because of his upbringing…”

    :lol:

  157. Wave Your Hat March 29th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Patrick, if one of the Yank starters goes down with an injury a couple months into the season none of the relievers will be “stretched out”. With these starters and a 7 man bullpen, there just won’t be enough relief innings to give a long man much work.

  158. Patrick March 29th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Kay is an unintelligent blowhard. Stop reading into what he says, he’s just really really really stupid.

  159. Blank March 29th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Keith Law is the perfect blend of sabremetrician and scout. He would make a very good GM.

  160. Patrick March 29th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    WYH,

    If Pettitte or someone goes down mid-season why wouldn’t it make sense to put Joba in AAA for 3 weeks, stretch him out, then bring him back up as a starter? Mitre could fill in for the meantime.

    It’s not like the Yanks lack bullpen depth..

  161. m March 29th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    “I remember last season all the conjecture about how Hughes wasn’t tough enough because of his upbringing…”

    :mad:

  162. Jerkface March 29th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    How can Hughes be expected to handle the rich, opulent life style of a major leaguer coming from a rich, opulent fam- oh

  163. vinny-b (Granderson is my fave NYY position player - no rite of passage necessary) March 29th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    “Keith Law could work in baseball if he wanted to. He has been offered several high ranking jobs but has turned them all down”
    ————————————————

    he could also work in Revenge of the Nerds – part 3

  164. tampayank March 29th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    “vinny-b (Granderson is my fave NYY position player – no rite of passage necessary) March 29th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    potential 2011 lineup:

    Crawford
    Jeter
    Texeria
    Arod
    Nick Johnson
    Jesus Montero
    Cano
    Swisher
    Granderson”

    ha doing this already?

  165. Patrick March 29th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    “I remember last season all the conjecture about how Hughes wasn’t tough enough because of his upbringing…”

    Well he wasn’t tough enough, until Johnny Damon set him straight.

  166. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Joel Sherman said in 2007 (or was it 2008, I think it was 2008) that Phil had a questionable work ethic. That’s the only time “questionable” and “work ethic” have been associated with Phil.

  167. Patrick March 29th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Joel Sherman also happens to be an idiot…

  168. Nick in SF in Healdsburg March 29th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    The urban legend that will not die. :grin:

  169. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 29th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Cashman stressed all winter and really for the past few years how important depth in the rotation is.

    Right now he does not seem very confident in the Yankees depth. IDK, something seems weird here and it is really hard to figure out Cash right now in regard to that area of the team.

  170. Jason March 29th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    No way Posada just goes quietly into the night and allows Montero to be the full-time catcher while he is a back up.

  171. randy l. March 29th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    “Wow randy literally just threatened to murder a lohud blog poster. GLad it wasn’t me”

    no patrick-

    i was just pointing out the uncertainty of life .

    that’s what my lawyer murphydog told me i meant : )

    any further questions will be referred to him.

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  172. Wave Your Hat March 29th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

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    I just don’t have any confidence in that decision because I don’t have any confidence in Mitre. I just hope I’m wrong about him.

  173. Billy March 29th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Tough break for Horne. He’s battled so many significant injuries since his time as collegian and then as a Yankee.

    Christian Garcia’s time as a Yankee has been eerily similar. Hopefully the next major injury like this isn’t to Garcia but it shouldn’t come as a shock to anyone.

  174. Jerkface March 29th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

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  175. Dark Dante March 29th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Kay is talking big now, but watch him wimp out when Cash comes on. If he had any guts, he would tell CAsh he thinks going with Phil is a dumb idea…….but Kay just has a gut, he doesn’t have guts.
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  176. Patrick March 29th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    “The urban legend that will not die. ”

    I just want to know why he didn’t help Joba the same way he helped Hughes. Maybe he’s racist against native americans.

  177. randy l. March 29th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    “Keith Law is the perfect blend of sabremetrician and scout. He would make a very good GM.”

    hahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahah

  178. Jason March 29th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    LGY – Yep. He released Gaudin, who was easily our best option as a spot-starter swing man, and a guy who has succeeded in that role.

    Joba also is not going to stay stretched out. Aceves can’t stay healthy.

    Was the extra $$ they saved from dumping Gaudin really worth making Mitre our 6th starter?

  179. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 29th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    If the mediots agree with what an individual thinks, that person loves him/her. If they disagree, that individual hates him/her.

    If Keith Law was always saying how great the Yankees farm system was everyone on here would love him.

    Fans just get way to close to certain players on their team to take any type of objective analysis serious when it is not positive.

  180. stuckey (”its ok to agree to disagree”) March 29th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    “No way Posada just goes quietly into the night and allows Montero to be the full-time catcher while he is a back up.”

    Posada’s case will be made in 2010. He keeps putting up numbers of a above-average ML catcher, his 2011 playing time will reflect it.

  181. Nick in SF in Healdsburg March 29th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    I always thought Johhny Damon looked like Injun Joe from “Tom Sawyer”.

  182. randy l. March 29th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    “He has been offered several high ranking jobs but has turned them all down.”

    head wiener vendor at fenway doesn’t count.

  183. Derek Leader March 29th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Was the extra $$ they saved from dumping Gaudin really worth making Mitre our 6th starter?
    ————————
    Guess we’ll see when the Trade Deadline comes around and teams are looking to dump payroll.

    That extra money could be used to fund a mid-season acquisition.

  184. Garden Inn March 29th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    Horne. Garcia. Johnson. Etc.

    Hence the old adage from Sun Tzu:

    “Once an injury risk, alway an injury risk.”
    - The Art of War

  185. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 29th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    randy,

    I know you do not like Law, but if he wanted to be a GM he could likely be one if he worked towards that goal. He has been offered assistant GM jobs.

    The path to GM is there for him if he wanted to take it and did as good a job as many organizations expect he would.

  186. Thomas March 29th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Dark,

    Exactly. If talk show hosts take guests to task, they won’t have any guests.

    Kay needs Cashman on his show in the future and he knows it.

  187. Patrick March 29th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Wave,

    I also believe Mitre is the 6th guy. As long as he’s the long man out of the pen the Yankees will consider him ready to throw 4-5 innings as a starter, if need be. Whether that’s safe or not, I have no idea. However, they probably don’t value his arm as much as Joba’s and therefore would be more willing to take a chance with his health.

  188. Wave Your Hat March 29th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    “I always thought Johhny Damon looked like Injun Joe from “Tom Sawyer”.”

    I doubt if Injun Joe (now there’s a nickname that’s gone out of fashion) had Damon’s infectious grin and sunny disposition.

  189. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 29th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    CB,

    Thanks for the rundown of Cash’s comments. I happened to have missed it, and now that I know what he said, I’m glad I did.

    Nick,

    LOL, One of my favorite EC songs (such bitterness! :D). Except if the “clear and stark” refers to the wisdom of the Yankees’ ways, I’ll just reserve the right to LOL on that, too ;).

    I guess for Joba, home is anywhere he hangs his head. :)

  190. Bronx Jeers March 29th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    Now Kay is knocking the fans in Tampa yesterday for cheering Johnny Damon.

    Oy vey.

  191. Patrick March 29th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    I’d definitely take Law as GM of my team. He’s a bright guy and really knows the game of baseball.

  192. pat March 29th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

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  194. CB March 29th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    “Thanks for the rundown of Cash’s comments. I happened to have missed it, and now that I know what he said, I’m glad I did.”

    I encourage everyone to listen to the interview themselves.

    Those were just my quick, subjective impressions of the interview and they may have been off.

    That was just my general impression and reaction.

  195. Patrick March 29th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    “Now Kay is knocking the fans in Tampa yesterday for cheering Johnny Damon.

    Oy vey.”

    Once again (and say it with me folks), Michael Kay is an idiot.

    One last time, with feeling! Michael Kay is an idiot!

  196. Jerkface March 29th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    I much prefer reading a transcript of Cash interviews, listening to him requires a lot of filtering. He is a great dissembler.

  197. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    I never understood what Damon was trying to convey to Hughes that night in Baltimore. Isn’t it a given that all pitchers, every night, are trying to compete and give their team a chance? CB/SJ/Pat M/Randy – thoughts? Thanks!

  198. Bronx Jeers March 29th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    “head wiener vendor at fenway doesn’t count.”

    Weiner vendors at Fenway?

    Hah!

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/b.....864799605/

  199. vinny-b (Granderson is my fave NYY position player - no rite of passage necessary) March 29th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    “I’d definitely take Law as GM of my team. He’s a bright guy and really knows the game of baseball”
    ———————————————–

    cool beans. That makes one of you.

  200. Nick in SF in Healdsburg March 29th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    Here comes Mr. Misery, lookin’ for a place for his mouth to shoot…

    B&C: EC’s most underrated record? I think so.

  201. California March 29th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    I love this picture. eye of the tiger.

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  202. vtred March 29th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Didn’t Keith Law grow up a Yankees fan? Or was that Jim Callis?

  203. California March 29th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    This is an awesome picture too. Is it AP?

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/b.....864789475/

  204. Chad Jennings March 29th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

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  205. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 29th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    Law grew up as a Yankee fan. He lived on Long Island.

  206. Bronx Jeers March 29th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    California,

    I don’t remember. I think I got it from the NY Daily News. They could have got it from the AP as well.

  207. Phil The Thrill March 29th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    It was Law. Now he overcompensates for it.

  208. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 29th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

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    B&C: EC’s most underrated record? I think so.
    ====

    Isn’t there a line like: the world has wiped its mouth since then, or maybe it was yawning (?).

    Very T.S. Eliot of EC.

    Yeah, I agree. It’s an overlooked gem. (Great line: he’s contemplating murder again – he must be in love…we’ve all been there, I expect :D).

  209. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 29th, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Keith Law is the man who thinks Boston has better minor-league talent than the Tampa Bay Rays.

    No way would Law get near the GM hat of my organization.

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