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Horne’s long road continues

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 29, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Just rolled into Sarasota where the wind is howling out to center field. Even I could hit a ball at least over the second baseman’s head (my baseball goals are very low).

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The big pitching news of the day out of Yankees camp has to be Alfredo Aceves and his balky back, but the big news out of the minor league complex is Alan Horne and his torn rotator cuff.

“It never felt great last year,” Horne said. “But that was to be expected. I took a break this fall before I began to really get after it in the weight room. It felt great and I started throwing around December 1. It felt fine for the first two months but started to go downhill fast at the beginning of spring.”

Horne had mild shoulder surgery after the 2008 season. He tried to pitch last year, but the shoulder and a strained hamstring limited him to 14 outings between rookie ball and Double-A. He’s now scheduled for surgery with Dr. Andrews on April 9, and it will definitely knock him out for the season. When he can get back on a depends on the severity of the injury.

“I honestly have no idea until he gets in there and sees how bad things are and what time of repair has to be made,” Horne said. “All of that determines down time.”

Back in 2007, Horne was outstanding in the Double-A Eastern League. He went 12-4 with a 3.11 ERA and 165 strikeouts in 153.1 innings and was named the league’s Pitcher of the Year. In 2008 he ranked ahead of Jesus Montero, Brett Gardner, Ross Ohlendorf and Andrew Brackman on Baseball America’s Yankees prospect list, and he might have been one of the slew of big league call-ups that year had he not strained his biceps in his second Triple-A start.

“It’s been a long road for me over the past 10 years,” Horne said.

When he’s been healthy, Horne has been a young pitcher on a no-doubt course to the big leagues, but his body has had  way of letting him down. He’s already come back from Tommy John surgery, now he’ll have to come back from this.

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138 Responses to “Horne’s long road continues”

  1. ditmars1929 March 29th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    Man, that really stinks. It sounds like he’s done with his career, given everything that has happened to him. What a shame, although of course I’ll hold out hope that he can eventually resume his career at some point, maybe as a reliever. He’d be like the Yankee version of Kerry Wood.

  2. RhapsodyInBlue March 29th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Really sad news.

  3. B KING March 29th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Saratoga? A little early for Horses

  4. talltenor March 29th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    I’m truly sorry for Alan, and I hope that his injury won’t prove to be too severe and that he’ll be healing soon!

    One of the things I love about this blog, and I appreciate about Chad’s having taken over, is that we’re able to become invested in the Yankees’ prospects. It’s great to root for home-grown talent to make it in the Bigs, as opposed to hoping to sign some gazillionare free-agent.

  5. CB March 29th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Horne has had a real tough go of it. In many ways he’s really the instructive downside case all high schools kids who get drafted should consider.

    Out of high school Horne was a first round pick. He decided not to sign and went to Mississipi where he blew out his elbow and had to get TJ surgery. He missed a year and wound up at a Junior College. He had a good season there and got drafted by the Angels. Declined to sign again. He then transferred to Florida for his fourth year and got drafted by the yankees who paid him a well above slot bonus. Good for Horne on that.

    I just doubt college helped Horne much and probably hurt him. He had a very long arm action and instead of being in an environment out of high school where they would invest time and resources to develop him he went to college where there just isn’t much incentive to protect a kids arm.

    That combination – bad mechanics at a young age and the demands of college baseball can be a very bad mix.

    Not saying that it was college ball that lead to all of this for Horne. But it just seems like it was probably the wrong environment for him, especially when he was so highly regarded out of high school

    He probably needed to be in a place where they would take the time to break him down and rebuild what he was doing. That certainly might not have happened in the pros – but there was a higher probability of him getting what he needed in the instructional leagues or low A than division 1.

  6. Plutonium March 29th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Let me guess… Raining in Saratoga?

  7. Chad Jennings March 29th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Where am I again? I thought that drive took longer than I expected.

  8. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 29th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
    March 29th, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Keith Law is the man who thinks Boston has better minor-league talent than the Tampa Bay Rays.

    No way would Law get near the GM hat of my organization.

    ——————————–

    This is the problem with people getting too wrapped up in prospect rankings.

    The fact is, the vast majority of these prospects do not work out. The “consensus” from year to year is more often than not wrong.

    You can look at the Rays and the Red Sox system and say, wth is Law thinking? Player A, B, and C on the Rays is so much better than Player X, Y, and Z on the Red Sox. But the problem is that the vast majority of the time both sides of the debate is wrong. A turns out better than X. Y turns into a superstar. C and Z both become bench players. Etc.

    There is just so much uncertainty and so much subjectivity when it comes to ranking prospects alone and this flaw is just incredibly magnified when it comes to dealing with a whole organization.

    Law is very high on Kelly and Westmoreland (obviously before Westmoreland’s surgery). Law has his own opinion. There is no perfect formula for evaluating and projecting prospects. If Law disagrees with the “consensus” it does not mean he is wrong. In a few years he could very well be right about the Sox system being better than the Rays.

    Chances are though, in a few years, there will not be a clear answer to who was right as there are so many variations on what can happen.

  9. Joe from Long Island March 29th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    CB – I don’t know enough about Division I ball to generalize, but I’ve read about a lot of college coaches who think nothing about letting a kid pitch up to 14-15 innings in a game, with no regard to pitch count or what it could do that kid’s arm and future in baseball. Seems kind of cold.

  10. Keith March 29th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Great post: Keep on keeping on with your {blogging|writing}!

  11. infernoscurse March 29th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    retire horne retire

  12. Rishi March 29th, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    fun stuff – SI.com has the 1975 Red play the 1998 Yankees…guess who wins :)

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....sults.html

  13. Tom in N.J. March 29th, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    “fun stuff – SI.com has the 1975 Red play the 1998 Yankees…guess who wins”

    Somewhere Joe Morgan just got really sad.

  14. sevrox March 29th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    ‘One of the things I love about this blog, and I appreciate about Chad’s having taken over, is that we’re able to become invested in the Yankees’ prospects. It’s great to root for home-grown talent to make it in the Bigs, as opposed to hoping to sign some gazillionare free-agent.’

    Yes, my very own personal moral and ethics committee is very upset over having signed Teixiera and Sabathia, b’gawd.

  15. Patrick March 29th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Tom in N.J. says:
    March 29, 2010 at 6:02 pm
    “fun stuff – SI.com has the 1975 Red play the 1998 Yankees…guess who wins”

    Somewhere Joe Morgan just got really sad.

    —-

    Johnny Bench just called….

  16. RayVT March 29th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Hello Wave! I haven’t seen you on here in a while.

    I find it very difficult to listen to MKay. I rather just say See-Yah and leave!

    Keith Law is a media idiot that has some useful knowledge and a large ego. He also spouts off Red Sox nation stuff so he sounds smart to his biased friends at ESPN.

  17. stuckey (knock, knock, knocking on heaven's door] March 29th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    Miller will mention it to Morgan Sunday night, no doubt.

    It’s Yankees-Red Sox afterall, they’ll be on air for 4 and 1/2 hours at least.

  18. G. Love March 29th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    I feel bad for Horne.

    When he was healthy, Cashman was definitely protecting him and holding him from trade offers and able to net the Yankees a big player in trade discussions.

    At the time, it seemed, the organization believed he was the real deal and didn’t want to let go of his arm in a deal.

    Just another reason why thinking every prospect is destined for the all star game is folly.

    That said, I hope Horne can make it back. I can’t imagine waking up knowing you have/had that ability to pitch in the majors, but your body keeps letting you down.

  19. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! March 29th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    OT – well my feeling that nothing good can come out of the state of Massachussetts just took a temporary detour.

    http://www.boston.com/news/loc.....r_pho.html

    Bully for the DA, and my hope is that other states decide to follow suit whenever a suicide is the result of bullying. In fact I wish there were a federal law that served to fire teachers and administrators who knew about bullying incidents in their schools but did nothing about them.

  20. MTU (aka GBURL) March 29th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    CB-

    “Horne has had a real tough go of it. In many ways he’s really the instructive downside case all high schools kids who get drafted should consider.”

    Gerritt Cole says hello. ;)

  21. RayVT March 29th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    The Rays have a tremendous amount of talent in their farm system. Years of getting number 1 recruits and multiple 1st rounders have stocked their system extremely deep. The Red Sox are not barren, but to pick them over the Rays is just a BIAS. The funny part is that Law’s own Top 100 had 6 players from Tampa & 7 from Boston, but the 1st 6 players all ranked better for Tampa than Boston. (Law had Lars still on his list!)

    And in that mockery of a list, he only had two Yankees on it. No Romine. No Garcia.

  22. Doreen - 2010 GTLU March 29th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    Hoping for the best for Horne. :(

  23. CR9 March 29th, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    Keith Law, trying to make up for the absence of Peter Gammons :)

  24. MTU (aka GBURL) March 29th, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    CB-

    What I really meant was I guess Gerritt Cole didn’t get the memo. ;)

  25. CR9 March 29th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    Anybody hear, Ricky Martin came out as gay!!!! :)

  26. Erin March 29th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    That’s awful news for Horne. :(

  27. Doreen - 2010 GTLU March 29th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    Trisha -

    Even with anti-bullying measures in place, too many times bullying behavior is attributed to kids being kids and let go. And when you have a group of kids bullying, they get pumped up by each other and the bullying is worse. Apparently this situation was physical and verbal. I’m glad someone has stepped up in these circumstances.

    What an awful, awful thing that happened here.

  28. vtred March 29th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    Buster Onley is a great analyst as well

  29. CR9 March 29th, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    Buster Olney is a great Red Sox propogandist, er, analyst as well.

  30. SJ44 March 29th, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    Erin: that’s awful news for Horne.

    That Ricky Nartin came out?

  31. Jerkface March 29th, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    But great news for Ricky Martin

  32. Erin March 29th, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    SJ44
    March 29th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
    Erin: that’s awful news for Horne.

    That Ricky Nartin came out?

    ***************************
    LOL No-I had just gotten on and hadn’t even seen the post about Ricky Martin. Awful news about his surgery.

  33. CR9 March 29th, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    Show producer Howard Gordon revealed today that Kiefer Sutherland’s rough and tumble counter-terroist agent Jack Bauer will be heading to the movies as soon as 24 ends it’s run on FOX.

    The flick could be out as “early as next year” depending on how “things come together,” Howard reveals and explains that the script in is it’s final stages of development.

    Even more great news!

  34. Bronx Jeers March 29th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    Horne was gay?

    (Not that there’s anything wrong with that!)

  35. Erin March 29th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    I actually thought Ricky Martin had already come out. Appearantly I was wrong. lol

  36. Doreen - 2010 GTLU March 29th, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    Erin -

    Me too!

  37. m March 29th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    I thought Ricky Martin came out already?

  38. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 29th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    “The Rays have a tremendous amount of talent in their farm system. Years of getting number 1 recruits and multiple 1st rounders have stocked their system extremely deep. The Red Sox are not barren, but to pick them over the Rays is just a BIAS.”

    This is completely subjective, which was the point of my post. Chances are the guys with tremendous amount of talent never become good major leaguers. Chances are the people who think these guys have major league talent are wrong.

    Also, having high draft picks does not correlate to success.

    “The funny part is that Law’s own Top 100 had 6 players from Tampa & 7 from Boston, but the 1st 6 players all ranked better for Tampa than Boston.”

    He said the Rays and Red Sox are very close and that he could have gone either way ranking them 2 or 3. He ultimately picked the Sox because he likes their system overall better and in a few years he could very well be right.

    “(Law had Lars still on his list!)”

    Most top 100s still have Lars on the list. Lars is 87 on Baseball America.

    “And in that mockery of a list, he only had two Yankees on it. No Romine. No Garcia.”

    Romine is borderline on multiple top 100. Romine is 86 in Baseball America. The further you get down the list the more and more subjective and uncertain it gets.

    Garcia is pretty much a non-prospect at this point. Until he stays healthy for a year he is nothing more than an afterthought.

    Finally, and the point of my original post, chances are in 5 years you are wrong about a lot of things about the Rays, Baseball America is wrong about a lot of things, and Keith Law is wrong about a lot of things. Too many of these guys do not work out for anyone to proclaim there is a sure-fire consensus of any team’s farm system.

  39. pat March 29th, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    Breaking news: Ricky Martin’s gay. In other news, Jessica Simpson is not a member of Mensa.
    7 minutes ago

  40. California March 29th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Regarding AL Spring Training standings,

    guess who’s currently second place?

  41. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    I feel so badly for Horne. Athletes don’t get 2nd chances at their careers and their careers only last for a short time (relatively speaking). I hope he can stay in the game even if he can’t pitch; it won’t be the same, but at least he’ll be doing what he loves.

  42. Jerkface March 29th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Jack Bauer is gay?

  43. SJ44 March 29th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    So, let me get this straight….

    It’s terrible news that Ricky Martin came out after finding out Alan Horne needs rotator cuff surgery?

  44. Carl March 29th, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    A-Rod hits a 3 rbi homer
    Jeter with a 2 rbi homer
    GOODBYE! HOMERUN!

  45. Carl March 29th, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    SJ44 March 29th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    So, let me get this straight….

    It’s terrible news that Ricky Martin came out after finding out Alan Horne needs rotator cuff surgery?

    Ricky Martin pulls an A-Rod.

  46. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 29th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    Someone follows Ricky Martin’s twitter?

  47. MTU (aka GBURL) March 29th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    “Someone follows Ricky Martin’s twitter?”

    Obviously. And he theirs. :)

  48. Chip March 29th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    On Keith Law:

    I’ve obviously never met the man, but just going on his chats and interviews I get the impression his sarcasm is a bit of a defense mechanism. He often responds to legitimate questions without answering directly but instead with a sarcastic comment.

    I tend to think that this is borne out of bitterness about the fact that JP let him walk and with young executives getting GM jobs all over the league: Josh Byrnes, Dayton Moore, Jed Hoyer, Alex Anthopolus, Paul DePodesta, etc…he hasn’t gotten a sniff from a major league team. I’m guessing that no matter how popular his chats are on ESPN, the fact that he’s doing them rather than sitting in a GM’s office somewhere going over scouting reports is eating him alive.

  49. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 29th, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    This is the problem with people getting too wrapped up in prospect rankings.
    The fact is, the vast majority of these prospects do not work out. The “consensus” from year to year is more often than not wrong.
    You can look at the Rays and the Red Sox system and say, wth is Law thinking? Player A, B, and C on the Rays is so much better than Player X, Y, and Z on the Red Sox. But the problem is that the vast majority of the time both sides of the debate is wrong. A turns out better than X. Y turns into a superstar. C and Z both become bench players. Etc.
    There is just so much uncertainty and so much subjectivity when it comes to ranking prospects alone and this flaw is just incredibly magnified when it comes to dealing with a whole organization.
    Law is very high on Kelly and Westmoreland (obviously before Westmoreland’s surgery). Law has his own opinion. There is no perfect formula for evaluating and projecting prospects. If Law disagrees with the “consensus” it does not mean he is wrong. In a few years he could very well be right about the Sox system being better than the Rays.
    Chances are though, in a few years, there will not be a clear answer to who was right as there are so many variations on what can happen.
    ======

    What I’m getting is a general beside-the-point thesis on the unpredictability of prospects. Well, yeah, thus the term ‘prospects.’

    But how does this relate AT ALL to Law’s preposterous stance?

    Now, re Kelly and Westmoreland: – it’s not as though Law ingeniously uncovered some hidden gems in their system, and that’s how he’s justifying his position.

    Wade Davis and Desmond Jennings – their logical opposites in the Bay’s system – one is the fifth starter in 2010 for the parent club, the latter waits in the wings, breathing down Carl Crawford’s neck as his replacement, once the latter is dispatched.

    That would actually contradict your own non sequitur about how prospects don’t generally pan out – the top two in the Rays’ system are ‘closer’ to their projectability by being two universally-anointed stud talents on the threshhold of starting their ML careers.

    In terms of proximity to the majors, Westmoreland and Kelly are comparatively far away.

    So if I were to argue your folksy, generic comment on ‘prospects’ not working out as a credible premise for Law’s rating Boston over Tampa (and I still don’t really see the connection), the Rays top guys ARE panning out enough to be with the big club…

    And if you want to compare pitching talent, the Rays have Jeremy Hellickson and LH Matt Moore – who also are considered five-star prospects – and of their top 10 guys, four are LHP. Hellickson may be with the big club this year in the BP.

    And sorry, no legitimate evaluator is going to consider Tazawa and Michael Effing Bowden high-end talents.

    Lars Anderson? Their great power hitting lefty? He’s got such upside, the Red Sox are falling all over themselves trying to acquire Adrian Gonzalez.

  50. pat March 29th, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    “Someone follows Ricky Martin’s twitter?”

    For the last 12 years. I knew someday he would come out and I wanted to be the first to know.

  51. RayVT March 29th, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    LGY – Child Prodigy/GB7′s Bestest Buddy
    March 29th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    What I was trying to say was even on Keith Law’s own l;ist he has Tampa ahead of Boston, yet ranks them higher.

    TAM #6 (OF) versus Bos #18 SPr
    TAM #15 (SPr) versus Bos #32 OF
    TAM #17 (SPr) versus Bos #53 1B
    TAM #29 (SS) versus Bos #56 1B
    TAM #68 (3B) versus Bos #86 OF
    TAM #81 (SPL) versus Bos #91 SPr
    TAM #– (—) versus Bos #98 SPr

    Reid Brignac, ss, Rays wasn’t on Keith’s list & he is very good.

  52. Betsy - Romine wasn't built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    Keith Law is a condescending you know what….I have no respect for him

  53. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 29th, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    Chip,

    I posted this in the last thread and I obviously do not expect you to read every post so here is the quick summary.

    -Law has been offered multiple jobs in MLB. Very high ranking jobs in fact.

    -He declined all those offers.

    -His lifestyle at ESPN is MUCH better than working in MLB. Working in MLB is not a glamorous or comfortable job at all.

    -If he wanted to be a GM the path is there for him if he performs well.

  54. Erin March 29th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    SJ44
    March 29th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
    So, let me get this straight….

    It’s terrible news that Ricky Martin came out after finding out Alan Horne needs rotator cuff surgery?

    ********************************
    SJ, my 6:38 post didn’t include anything about Ricky Martin. I hadn’t seen that-the terrible news I wrote about was about Horne and only Horne. It’s great for Ricky Martin that he came out.

  55. Erin March 29th, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    Game post up

  56. SJ44 March 29th, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    Erin,

    I was joking! lol

  57. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy March 29th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Ray,

    I am just going to say 2 things because I do not follow league wide prospects enough to defend Law’s rankings point by point. I do not even like following prospects. The whole endeavor just results in way too many failures.

    -People have different philosophies on prospect rankings. Some rate the highest upside, some closest, some combination, some other things.

    -I will wait at least 5 years before making any judgments on these rankings or any of these players.

    I simply do not get wrapped up in any of these rankings. They are pretty close to worthless considering how wrong they end up being. If Law’s opinion is that the Red Sox are better than the Rays, I am fine with that because there is no telling at this point if he is right or wrong.

  58. Giuseppe Franco March 29th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    I guess Ricky Martin has to do something to get his name back in the news again.

  59. RayVT March 29th, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    LGY – Child Prodigy/GB7′s Bestest Buddy
    March 29th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    I agree with you. I only pointed out the disparity about Law to show his bias. He ranks Boston ahead of Tampa and his own top 100 do not reflect it. So he is biased.

  60. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 29th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    RayVT
    March 29th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
    LGY – Child Prodigy/GB7’s Bestest Buddy
    March 29th, 2010 at 6:43 pm
    What I was trying to say was even on Keith Law’s own l;ist he has Tampa ahead of Boston, yet ranks them higher.
    TAM #6 (OF) versus Bos #18 SPr
    TAM #15 (SPr) versus Bos #32 OF
    TAM #17 (SPr) versus Bos #53 1B
    TAM #29 (SS) versus Bos #56 1B
    TAM #68 (3B) versus Bos #86 OF
    TAM #81 (SPL) versus Bos #91 SPr
    TAM #– (—) versus Bos #98 SPr
    Reid Brignac, ss, Rays wasn’t on Keith’s list & he is very good.
    =====

    Right, Brignac is on everyone else’s Top 10. He’s battling it out with Rodriguez (Joyce is hurt) through a great camp and is leading the way for the utility infield job.

    So, that’s 3 guys, right there, who are on the ML club (Jennings’ promotion is inevitable).

    Brignac and Davis also both played some last season.

  61. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 29th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    -People have different philosophies on prospect rankings. Some rate the highest upside, some closest, some combination, some other things.
    ====

    Yeah, and Davis and Jennings meet both criteria.

    The guy’s stance is just laughable.

  62. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 29th, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    Betsy – Romine wasn’t built in a day
    March 29th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
    Keith Law is a condescending you know what….I have no respect for him
    ===

    He’s the definition of a poseur. Right down to his shrill little nervous, contemptuous giggle after he says something he either believes was clever or deliberately confounding.

  63. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes March 29th, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    Cano: RISP MONSTER!

  64. Melkman is in Hotlanta March 29th, 2010 at 11:09 pm

    Ricky Martin is gay? Never woulda thunk it lolololol

  65. B March 30th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    I thought Horne went to Florida and not Mississippi?

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