Lineup today in Sarasota
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 29, 2010 
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Derek Jeter SS
Nick Johnson DH
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Marcus Thames LF
Randy Winn RF
Francisco Cervelli C
Greg Golson CF
RHP Javy Vazquez
UPDATE, 1:30 p.m.: Former Olympic sprinter Michael Johnson is here to address the Yankees before the road trip.
Article about our kids:
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy
Surprise, surprise! Girardi wins GTLU.
Greg Golson was today’s mystery player. Both upstate kate and erin thought Weber would be the mystery player today. Erin came closest to being correct, flip-flopping Cervelli & Winn in the batting order, and of course, the Golson thing.
Chad- I think you need to straighten Swish out.
Wow! 6 days, 7 hours, and 11 minutes away from the Yankees home opener, that’s VERY soon! Who’s ready? 35 minutes ago via web
I think he doesn’t know where the Yankees are opening. LOL
thames is getting every chance to show the big club something.
Joe Girardi = GTLU Cheater
Doreen – 2010 GTLU
March 29th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Surprise, surprise! Girardi wins GTLU.
Erin came closest to being correct
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LOL Has Girardi won every edition of GTLU this spring?
Jennifer-
Perhaps he needs to get rid of the people that are tweeting for him that might be a better idea being as that has pretty much proven that he is not sitting around tweeting for himself much like other athletes he has someone do it for him. Which is fine but dont pretend it is really you lol.
Did he get booted off of Celebrity Apprentice?
Scooter-
Apprentice is filmed way in advance of airing.
gayle you don’t think that, that is him? He said he tweets himself.
Michael Johnson vs GGBG in a race around the bases, that would be interesting.
hmmm…Golson, didn’t even cross my mind. oh well, just like ST games, its just practice
NYYROC
March 29th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Michael Johnson vs GGBG in a race around the bases, that would be interesting.
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LOL
I agree-that would be very interesting.
Rosenthal: Most teams wish they had the Red Sox problems
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....ems-032810
Erin -
Dave F actually won one!
There were only 5 official games during the spring.
Great article about having “it” and what that means for team success (key example: Jeter, of course):
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=5036408
Not sure if it’s been posted, but worth a read
Doreen – 2010 GTLU
March 29th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
Erin -
Dave F actually won one!
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Wow-good for Dave F! He must be psychic.
Jennifer-
I don’t believe it in a million years. You cant tell me that he doesn’t know they open the season in Boston next Sunday and not at home.
Anybody going to the game in Sarasota tonight? I’ll be first row at the Yanks dugout right at the “W” in the “Welcome to Sarasota”
I’ll be taking video and pics. Want me to post them?
m: of course there are people being emotional and passionate about this subject. Yesterday I was referring to the people involved in the discussion that day and up to that point — sorry I was unclear abut that.
However (you knew a however was coming), someone could take a sampling of comments from you about Phil Hughes and call you emotional and take a shot about them being the New York Yankees and not the New York Phils.
So… yeah, smart grownup people on this board can get emotionally invested in the futures of favorite players and reveal it in their comments here.
As can other types of people!
I like the Golson kid a lot. Nice to see him get more at bats with the big club.
Winn & Thames are only on the roster due to their MLB experience, but I don’t believe there is much left of either one. I really hope they prove me dead wrong.
If Golson can get some good at bats at Scranton WB and prove some consistency he could hopefully help us later in the year(or next year). He can be an asset off the bench for defense & pinch running. If he came in defensively for Swisher, we would have an incredibly quick & highly defensive OF.
go NYY
“I’ll be taking video and pics. Want me to post them?”
Yes, please. The game isn’t televised in NY so how about a live feed?
thanks for the link Rishi. I would add Tex to the list. A prime example was the Mets game when Castillo dropped Alex’s pop up. If Tex had not been hustling, he wouldn’t have scored.
go Vaz
m: ‘They’re the New York Yankees, not the New York Jobas.’
New York Jobas – great name for a band!
randy l, are you still around?
The game is on channel 640 for those that have DirecTV.
Anyone see ESPN’s new graphic scoreboard for their games? Watching it now on the STL/MIN game. Pretty nice.
AnthonyDiComo Aceves is dealing with a lower back issue. Won’t pitch tmrw. #Yankees will monitor his situation this week to determine Opening Day status.
“randy l, are you still around?”
not me , i’m gone.
…but i’ll be back.
Will Michael Johnson be talking about how Darryl Strawberry saved his butt on Celebrity Apprentice?
“AnthonyDiComo Aceves is dealing with a lower back issue. Won’t pitch tmrw. #Yankees will monitor his situation this week to determine Opening Day status.”
He has not looked good lately so I expect a DL stint to give them more time with Logan.
How is the weather supposed to be in Boston on Sunday? Hopefully there is no threat of rain.
AnthonyDiComo Aceves is dealing with a lower back issue. Won’t pitch tmrw. #Yankees will monitor his situation this week to determine Opening Day status.
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Does this guy ever NOT have a back issue? Guess this makes it important that we have Mitre. Though if Aceves is going to have these chronic problems, you might as well have kept Gaudin who is Aceves-lite…
Aceves looks like he just isin’t cut out to be a reliever. He always has back problems. Had them last year, having them again this year.
Give Melancon his spot
Gaudin is not Aceves lite, they are vastly different pitchers. I guess you meant relief/long man/starter capability?
This opens the door for Logan/Ring and maybe Melancon if Ace has to battle this back issue.
Betsy, I don’t trust Mayo on anything he says. He’s another Bill James fanboy.
He didn’t bother to even bother to get Betances’ injury correct. He didn’t have ligament replacement…..only reenforcement and relocation. He should be throwing in 6-8 months after surgery instead of 12 to 15 months.
randy, maybe if I relate a brief golf anecdote I’ll get in less trouble.
Several years ago a buddy and I took a golf trip to Scotland (I was not then and am not now anywhere near a good enough golfer to do that, but never mind that).
The sky was ominous as we began one of our rounds at one of the courses at St. Andrews (either the Eden or Jubilee course). It started to rain and get clod and blustery. By the 6th or 7th hole it was too much for me and I told my buddy I was going in.
He called me all kinds of deragatory names but I didn’t care and started to walk away. I got a couple hundred yards away from him and looked back and saw him take and swing and then the club went flying away.
He caught up to me before I got to the clubhouse.
Okay, so topic of the hour:
How is Aceves bad back Brian Cashman’s fault?
Supposedly Betances is already throwing off a full mound.
Was Eliand making Aceves pitch even with a bad back?
If Aceves can’t physically be a reliever without his back being a chronic issue, then why hasn’t Eliand identified that and said he can’t be a reliever?
Stuckey, Remember the good old days when everything “was ARod’s fault”! LOL!
Opening day bullpen vs post season pen, ah let me count the ways.
Betances is throwing off the mound now so he might be back in game action in the next 3 months or so.
Was Eliand making Aceves pitch even with a bad back?
If Aceves can’t physically be a reliever without his back being a chronic issue, then why hasn’t Eliand identified that and said he can’t be a reliever?
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Eiland is a pitching coach not a doctor! He told Wang and Aceves to rub some dirt on it and get out there!
Eiland is a pitching coach not a doctor! He told Wang and Aceves to rub some dirt on it and get out there!
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lol
mick March 29th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Joba was sloppy and erratic. Blow the stats out yer arsenal. How did we judge pitchers before sabre-stats, I don’t know. Give Joba Andy’s head then compare them.
this question is for GB, or anyone else who may know:
where is the most effective location to throw a changeup? And does the answer depend on if you’re working off of a fastball or a breaking pitch?
and is it like any other pitch, where you only want to catch the edge of the plate? If so, what part of the plate
thank you
Eppler is saying he’s not imagining Aceves’ back getting better in the foreseeable future.
Cashman says although he doesn’t necessarily agree with Eppler regarding Aceves’ back, he’ll “defend to the death his right to say it”
Who is this Eppler guy and why is he saying all these things?
This struggle to keep Aceves healthy is clearly a sham.
Bronx Jeers
March 29th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Eppler is saying he’s not imagining Aceves’ back getting better in the foreseeable future.
Cashman says although he doesn’t necessarily agree with Eppler regarding Aceves’ back, he’ll “defend to the death his right to say it”
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Classic.
What is wrong with Aceves back?
“What is wrong with Aceves back?”
Roster management!
mick, are you a time traveller from the past?
Irregular work agitates Aceves’ starter gland. Something to due with money leaking out.
Vinny B: A RH change up tends to go down and away from a LHB. If you throw a FB up and in, a change down and away is effective due not only to change of speeds but also location which changes eye level of batter. Usually try not to throw consecutive pitches in same spot, although doubling up from time to time is effective. As with any pitch you want the corners, not the middle of the plate.
mick
March 29th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
What is wrong with Aceves back?
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mick, this is what I read:
Ledger_Yankees Aceves is day-to-day with back issues. Scratched from Tuesday start but expected to pitch later in the week.
Doesn’t sound too serious.
“Joba’s WPA was only ever below -.10 3 times.
He kept the team in the game, and thats all you can ask. He got negative WPA for games in which he gave a quality start. WPA is a crappy stat because its based on the probability of winning a game. Give up 3 runs and the offense scores 1? You’re getting a bad WPA. Its a fine pitching performance though!”
You misunderstand WPa, and it is far from a lousy stat. It’s not a predictive stat, but it is an excellent descriptive stat.
You have a negative WPA in a game, you moved your team farther from winning rather than closer, and it doesn’t matter whether you won 4-3 or lost 10-2. Granted within the game an out or a hit might have more impact on WPA at one time rather than another, but that’s really irrelevant for the purpose here.
And since when does “keeping your team in a game” equal being the MVP?
my past is my present.
thank you erin!
really who is eppler and why is he saying all these things?
Ace was great last year. Let’s hope his back is OK. I would not rush him. If he has to start the year on the DL, so be it.
Vinny, I’d think that down and away would be the best spot against left handed hitters down and in against right handed hitters, regardless of the situation, unless the right hander can hit the inside pitches. If it’s against Pujols…don’t bother…just walk him.
And since when does “keeping your team in a game” equal being the MVP?
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I never said Joba was the sole MVP of anything. I thought Aj and Joba did alot for the club in the 1st half and AP and CC took the team down the stretch. So lets stop arguing that Joba is the MVP of whatever.
My issue with using WPA in this context is that if we are looking at how Joba chamberlain pitched, a good performance could incur a negative WPA depending on game context.
WPA is a cool stat for somethings, but I just do not like using it here. Joba could maintain a positive WPA for 5 innings, but if the yankees do not score any runs and then Joba gives up runs its likely his WPA will move negative.
Joba had a lot of less than -10% WPA’s, I think thats ok for a young pitcher. The games were close and his pitching did not have an extraordinary outcome on the game.
A guy like Andy who went slightly deeper into games got trashed by WPA in his bad starts, often decreasing the yankees win chances by 20% or more. He was more effective than Joba in his wins though, which balances it out.
Nick,
When did I threaten anything? When did I call for Hughes to be put in a place he didn’t deserve to be?
I don’t think I’m an irrational fan at all. I’m sorry you saw fit to equate me with a fan like GC.
NYYROC
March 29th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
What you wrote made me think of my former manager. He said there are only two pitches any pitcher should throw:
1. High & Tight!
2. Low & Away!
LOL!
He also said hitters just needed to go up there & rack it baby!! LOL!
It doesn’t sound serious, but it sounds as if it’s a chronic issue which is hardly good news.
GB, I didn’t even notice that, lol; that’s pretty sad if he can’t get that kind of detail correct.
NYYROC and GB:
thank you. I will right this down.
in addition to the locations both of you mentioned, is a changeup to the outside edge of the plate (thigh level) also an effective spot?
*write*
m: I did not equate you with GC. Nor do I think you’re irrational.
oh and Wave, I want to clarify, I meant I thought it was crappy in context of the discussion, not overall. I think it is cool for looking at some things, but including leverage and the varying rates of WPA for say a run scored in the 1st vs the 9th doesn’t make it relevant.
Damon led the team in WPA last year
but I would say A-rod is a better hitter, get me like that?
“really who is eppler and why is he saying all these things?”
He’s one of our asst. director of pro scouting. IDK why some media call him head of scouting, that he is not.
Although Cashman said ‘he could be our asst. director of pro scouting or not in 2011″
Vinny,
A guy like Santana essentially throws in in the middle of the plate. A change is a swing and miss pitch for the most part. It’s not designed to be taken in the strike zone. It’s designed to be swung at and finish out (low) of the zone.
A real artist like Santana can maybe aim for a particular side of the plate, but you don’t want to flirt too much with corners because the hitter to start the bat.
Low is pretty much the desired location.
Vinny, The closer to the knees the better (harder to square up). But you can get away with thigh high if you have set the batter up with good hard stuff inside. He might be able to slap it the other way for a hit however.
RayVT, Sounds like your former manager had it all figured out! LOL! If it were only that simple!!
Jerkface-
My issue was with saying Joba was, with AJ, an MVP of the first half. He wasn’t, and I think WPA is a very good stat for highlighting why Joba wasn’t “an” MVP. Yes, he kept the Yanks in many games. However, more times than not he moved the Yanks further from winning than he moved them closer.
Yes, if he came out in the sixth losing 3-1, he had pitched well, by quality starts and ERA measures, but he came out with the Yanks down, which WPA measures, and he would not be thought of as an “MVP” of that game.
And don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Joba didn’t pitch OK in the first half, I’m saying he wasn’t close to be categorized as an MVP.
I think you could say objectively, in a game in which Joba gives up 3 runs and the offense scores none, Joba would be the MVP of the game for the yankees, and the offense would be the LVP
(I’m sure some relievers will try to vulture MVP status)
Anyways silly discussion.
Just posted some afternoon notes.
Watching how pitchers set up hitters is one of “game within the game” things that makes baseball fun. So many times I’ve heard people who aren’t fans or don’t understand complain that there is so much waiting going on between pitches, “Nothing happens!” There is a lot going on if you know what to look for!
Jerkface,
Just saw your 2:39pm post. Yes, I’d agree with that, WPA is not a “predictive” stat, it wouldn’t be good for measuring how innately good a player is or what he will do in the future, so it wouldn’t be appropriate to use WPA to conclude that Damon is a better hitter than ARod.
However, you could use it to say that in 2009, Damon had more impact on the outcome of games than ARod did, if Damon had a higher WPA than ARod in 2009.
vinny-b (Granderson is my fave NYY position player – no rite of passage necessary)
March 29th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
NYYROC and GB:
thank you. I will right this down.
in addition to the locations both of you mentioned, is a changeup to the outside edge of the plate (thigh level) also an effective spot?
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Change-ups above the knees will have you rubbing up a new baseball. Most of them are supposed to be over the plate and low out of the strike zone.
The topic of the debate was the assertion that Joba was an MVP in the first half. The debate was not about whether or not he kept them in games.
It’s clear, despite the assertion from some, he was not an MVP in the first half by any stretch of the imagination
he was not an MVP in the first half by any stretch of the imagination
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thats a bit hyperbolic, my imagination is quite stretchy.
ok fellas. Thank you for the info (re: changeup)
on this subject, i was thinking of hitters taking a pitch and due to getting locked-up. However, maybe i have it backwards. Maybe it is a fastball which almost always locks up hitters, and not a changeup
thanks
The Twins would believe that Joba was their MVP, thats good enough for me. An organization run by solid baseball guys!
Too bad Brett “The Jet” wont be playing.
“The sky was ominous as we began one of our rounds at one of the courses at St. Andrews (either the Eden or Jubilee course). ”
nick in sf-
any story that starts like that has to be a good one.
it sounds like some serious wind and rain came up.
of course , the pubs afterward must be some consolation to the bad weather.
did you play carnoustie ?i heard that’s the hardest one over there.
once i learn how to play again, i have to get over there.