Spring Training Game 24: Yankees at Orioles (with Teixeira update)
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Gameday Thread on Mar 29, 2010 
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YANKEES
Derek Jeter SS
Nick Johnson DH
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Marcus Thames LF
Randy Winn RF
Francisco Cervelli C
Greg Golson CF
RHP Javy Vazquez
ORIOLES
Brian Roberts 2B
Adam Jones CF
Nick Markakis RF
Miguel Tejeda 3B
Luke Scott 1B
Matt Wieters C
Garrett Atkins DH
Nolan Reimold LF
Cesar Izturis SS
RHP Jeremy Guthrie
TIME/TV: 7:05 p.m./MASN in the Baltimore area
WEATHER: Windy and a little chilly — for Florida, I’m still wearing short sleeves — but no real chance of rain. They’ll play this one.
UMPIRES: HP Tom Welke, 1B Chad Fairchild, 3B Marvin Hudson
ON THE LINE: Royce Ring made the trip. Boone Logan has gotten most of the attention in the competition to (potentially) be the second lefty in the bullpen, but Ring has pretty good numbers himself. Through 5.2 innings he’s allowed three hits, walked one and struck out seven.
UPDATE, 7:18 p.m.: Two-out, three-run home run by Robinson Cano in the first inning. That seems to be the kind of thing you’re looking for in a No. 5 hitter.
UPDATE, 7:39 p.m.: Mark Teixeira is coming out of the game after being hit by a pitch. It looked like it got him in the right elbow. Teixeira nearly slammed his helmet to the ground he was so upset. I’ll try to have an update as soon as possible.
UPDATE, 8:07 p.m.: Still no news on Teixeira, but Javier Vazquez looks pretty solid. Two-hard hit balls that went for doubles, but otherwise he’s been pretty good through three innings.
UPDATE, 8:10 p.m.: Francisco Cervelli was just hit by a pitch. It wasn’t bad and Cervelli stayed in the game, but Joe Girardi did start shouting and motioning from the dugout. It takes a lot to get Girardi mad, but he was pretty hot.
UPDATE, 8:33 p.m.: Teixeira has a right elbow contusion. No x-rays were taken. He will be reevaluated tomorrow.
UPDATE, 8:47 p.m.: I’ve said it before, Adam Jones is a lot bigger in person than I expected. He just crushed a three-run homer off Vazquez, pulling the Orioles within 5-4 in the fifth.
UPDATE, 9:03 p.m.: There’s the power we’ve heard about. David Winfree just smoked a three-run home run to center field. The wind has died down quite bit, so I’m still giving Winfree credit for “smoking” the ball.
UPDATE, 9:24 p.m.: Speaking of power, Marcus Thames just hit his second home run of the spring and the Yankees have a 9-4 lead in the seventh. Joba Chamberlain got the final two outs of the sixth, but there’s no stadium radar gun here in Sarasota, so I have no idea how hard he was throwing.
UPDATE, 9:26 p.m.: Fair question from our pal Sweeny Murti: When’s the last time a catcher had a stolen base and an infield single in the same game? Francisco Cervelli has pulled it off tonight.
Regarding AL Spring Training standings,
guess who’s currently second place ?
Is this game online anywhere? radio feed? anyone?
I just realized I am probably going to miss the beginning of the game on Sunday. It’s Easter. We’re driving out to LI to have dinner with our daughter and then driving back. We’re hoping to get 1 p.m. dinner reservations, but I don’t expect to be home earlier than 8 pm. Why is there a night game to start the season? Why is it on Easter Sunday?
On Keith Law:
I’ve obviously never met the man, but just going on his chats and interviews I get the impression his sarcasm is a bit of a defense mechanism. He often responds to legitimate questions without answering directly but instead with a sarcastic comment. For example, when he’s ripping a player like Alexi Ramirez and someone says “sure he’s OBP is low, but he hits for power and plays good defense, so what makes him a bad player” he often responds with “that will be $5 for baiting”
I tend to think that this is borne out of bitterness about the fact that JP let him walk and with young executives getting GM jobs all over the league: Josh Byrnes, Dayton Moore, Jed Hoyer, Alex Anthopolus, Paul DePodesta, etc…he hasn’t gotten a sniff from a major league team. I’m guessing that no matter how popular his chats are on ESPN, the fact that he’s doing them rather than sitting in a GM’s office somewhere going over scouting reports is eating him alive.
Greg Golson hasn’t been cut yet has he?
I don’t see him getting the call over Thames but he’s done more than I thought he would.
Joba’s pitching tonight no?
Is tejada their opening day clean up hitter?
If so, gotta love the O’s
Bronx-
“Joba’s pitching tonight no?”
correct.
Garden inn-
mlb.com
Available to pitch today: Javier Vazquez, Joba Chamberlain, Dave Robertson, Grant Duff and Royce Ring.
by the way – Bill Madden with another stroke of genius – he thinks Jon Weber should be on the 25 man roster when camp breaks.
Now look, Weber’s having a great spring, no doubt. And him making the roster would be a feel good story like when Clay Bellinger made it, but we’ve been down this road before:
Josh Phelps
Shelley Duncan
Andy Phillips
Todd Linden
some guys are just AAAA players, and that seems to be Weber as well.
“Todd Linden”
Linder NEVER did broke camp with the team.
LGY – Child Prodigy/GB7’s Bestest Buddy
March 29th, 2010 at 7:00 pm
I agree with you. I only pointed out the disparity about Law to show his bias. He ranks Boston ahead of Tampa and his own top 100 do not reflect it. So he is biased.
Eh, you gotta feel bad for the O’s and their fans.
Sure they gave Tex a hard time last season but that’s all they got.
Imagine the best they’re going to do this season is possibly not finish in last place.
When the Yanks actually do have legitimate young prospects – Bill Madden isn’t interested.
He only wants to tell you how great the Red Sox system is.
Bill Madden couldn’t be more clueless. His views on Yankee prospects is just the tip of the iceberg.
Bronx-
I think the O’s have a nice core of players in Markakis, Jones, and Wieters with more on the way in Matusz and Tillman.
Beckett is on mlb right now. Facing the rays.
Wow-I just noticed Marty Foster isn’t there tonight. lol
Is there anybody in the media that are pro-Yankees?
Longoria just took beckett deep. He was all over that pitch.
Chip,
You have posted that thing about Law 3 times. It is not correct.
I don’t think Keith Law is a condescending you know what, I think he is an excellent scout and sabremetrician
I wasn’t arguing that the Yanks have better prospects than the Red Sox (although I believe they do), I was only arguing that the Rays have better prospects than the Red Sox. Law said the Red Sox were better than the Rays and then proceeded to list the Rays higher in his own Top 100. He is biased and it shows. I could care less what people think, but if you publish a list and then make a conclusion about it then it should correlate with your list! LOL! He is a jerk. That is his right. It is hard to take him seriously though.
“Is there anybody in the media that are pro-Yankees?”
Callis
Rosenthal
Stark
Olney
Harper
Sherman
i found a stream
its poor quality and no audio lol but its better than nothing…
http://www.myp2pforum.eu/threa.....Mon-Mar-29
click on the yankee v bal link…(you need the “stream torrent” software)
Sean
March 29th, 2010 at 7:09 pm
Is there anybody in the media that are pro-Yankees?
Sterling! LOL!
following half-inning gameday updates here:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....b_balmlb_1
Ray,
I agree looking at what you posted it would seem he would rank the Rays ahead, but IDK I just do not see any reason for him to be biased.
He is a smart guy and a very good talent evaluator IMO and I think most in baseball agree with that opinion.
Harold Reynolds is one of the few people who is decidedly pro-yankees. Leiter too.
Cano baby! 3 rbi homer!
Cano just hit a bomb. He is gonna have a huge year.
Cano crushed a pitch right down the middle out to just left of center (oppo!) but there is a 30 mph wind blowing out. It was still crushed though
3 run HR for Robbie- wind assisted.
Sterling!!! And of course, leave it to Yankees fans to hate the guy!
so who was on base for Cano?
If Law ranked the Yankee system 2 everyone on here would love him.
Idk people get so wrapped up in his personality. It is mostly just a sthick and he has admitted so.
I would certainly argue that we have better prospects than the Red Sox.
ah – got it, half inning must be over:)
NJ via walk, Tex via single
Rishi March 29th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
so who was on base for Cano?
Nick/Tex
Is anyone here really surprised by Cashman’s comments today regarding the frustrating saga that has become Joba Chamberlain ???? I thought that story brought here at The LoHud back in November or whenever Cashman traded for Javier Vasquez….There were few here that made reference to this subject….
I’m so glad cano is on our team.
That was just a terrific at bat by Cano. And I’m not even referring to the home run.
Cano was aggressive on the first pitch probably thinking that the pitcher might try to get a quick strike over. It was a good pitch that Cano missed.
Gutherie then went to the standard play book with Cano. He went to the corners and tried to get Cano to expand the zone.
Instead Cano laid off some pitches that were out of the zone but weren’t horribly so.
He ran the count to 3-1. And on 3-1 Guthrie went with a fastball that missed it’s spot because it had arm side run on it when they were trying to bust Cano inside.
The pitch wound up middle out and Cano put a beautiful swing on it – one of those great Cano swings – taking the ball the other way and crushing it.
That was just a wonderful at bat because of its process and the way Cano commanded what happened by staying patient with men on base.
LGY – Child Prodigy/GB7′s Bestest Buddy March 29th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
If Law ranked the Yankee system 2 everyone on here would love him.
Idk people get so wrapped up in his personality. It is mostly just a sthick and he has admitted so.
No, he would be stupid for ranking it number 2.
CB: The best thing about that was the 1-1 pitch was a change up away, which is a pitch Cano knows he can hit, and he laid off. It wasn’t even a great change, and Cano laid off it.
Good signs, good signs.
MASN announcers mentioned that Kevin Long would be pleased that he was selectively aggressive.
I keep reading about how Javy Vazquez is only an “innings eater” and a guy who is durable but not particularly special. A guy who was good in the NL but is going to struggle in the AL.
But when you watch him pitch he showing 3 plus pitches over and over.
His off speed stuff is tremendous now and he really knows how to pitch. He set up Roberts beautifully there and struck him out on a gorgeous change up that Roberts just waved at.
bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
March 29th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
This is the problem with people getting too wrapped up in prospect rankings.
The fact is, the vast majority of these prospects do not work out. The “consensus” from year to year is more often than not wrong.
You can look at the Rays and the Red Sox system and say, wth is Law thinking? Player A, B, and C on the Rays is so much better than Player X, Y, and Z on the Red Sox. But the problem is that the vast majority of the time both sides of the debate is wrong. A turns out better than X. Y turns into a superstar. C and Z both become bench players. Etc.
There is just so much uncertainty and so much subjectivity when it comes to ranking prospects alone and this flaw is just incredibly magnified when it comes to dealing with a whole organization.
Law is very high on Kelly and Westmoreland (obviously before Westmoreland’s surgery). Law has his own opinion. There is no perfect formula for evaluating and projecting prospects. If Law disagrees with the “consensus” it does not mean he is wrong. In a few years he could very well be right about the Sox system being better than the Rays.
Chances are though, in a few years, there will not be a clear answer to who was right as there are so many variations on what can happen.
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What I’m getting is a general beside-the-point thesis on the unpredictability of prospects. Well, yeah, thus the term ‘prospects.’
But how does this relate AT ALL to Law’s preposterous stance?
Now, re Kelly and Westmoreland: – it’s not as though Law ingeniously uncovered some hidden gems in their system, and that’s how he’s justifying his position.
Wade Davis and Desmond Jennings – their logical opposites in the Bay’s system – one is the fifth starter in 2010 for the parent club, the latter waits in the wings, breathing down Carl Crawford’s neck as his replacement, once the latter is dispatched.
That would actually contradict your own non sequitur about how prospects don’t generally pan out – the top two in the Rays’ system are ‘closer’ to their projectability by being two universally-anointed stud talents on the threshhold of starting their ML careers.
In terms of proximity to the majors, Westmoreland and Kelly are comparatively far away.
So if I were to argue your folksy, generic comment on ‘prospects’ not working out as a credible premise for Law’s rating Boston over Tampa (and I still don’t really see the connection), the Rays top guys ARE panning out enough to be with the big club…
And if you want to compare pitching talent, the Rays have Jeremy Hellickson and LH Matt Moore – who also are considered five-star prospects – and of their top 10 guys, four are LHP. Hellickson may be with the big club this year in the BP.
And sorry, no legitimate evaluator is going to consider Tazawa and Michael Effing Bowden high-end talents.
Lars Anderson? Their great power hitting lefty? He’s got such upside, the Red Sox are falling all over themselves trying to acquire Adrian Gonzalez.
Javy
Vasquez
Is
Sick
I hate to invoke that name, but I love Javy.
Javy looks good
LGY
How come it just so happens that the shtick of every ESPN personality is to propagandize the Red Sox.
People take issue with it because it is tiring.
“Is there anybody in the media that are pro-Yankees?”
“Callis
Rosenthal
Stark
Olney
Harper
Sherman”
LOL…Buster Olney and Joel Sherman are PRO Yankees??
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
“The best thing about that was the 1-1 pitch was a change up away, which is a pitch Cano knows he can hit, and he laid off.”
Cano frequently leaks with men on base. And it’s exactly on pitches like that 1-1 pitch where he leaks.
He jumps at soft stuff out of the zone and often just rolls over on the ball pulling it weakly to the right side.
That at bat was exactly the opposite of all of those problems.
No routine fly balls tonight. Could be interesting.
I don’t think Keith Law is a condescending you know what, I think he is an excellent scout and sabremetrician
I think if Keith Law was half as smart as he thinks he is then he wouldn’t be working for ESPN.
On Golson – he won’t break camp with the Yankees, but a strong performance at AAA coupled with a poor performance by the combination of Winn and Gardner could get him called up at some point.
Of the outfield guys who have been brought in I would say that Thames will break with the Yankees:
Golson and Curtis have the first call ups by virtue of being on the 40 man roster, and David Winfree will really have to show something special.
Odds of Goreki or Weber getting called up are slightly better than the odds of me getting called up. See John Rodriguez last year.
forget to mention mlb network mention the paintball battle between media and staff
:Callis
Rosenthal
Stark
Olney
I think those were meant as anti Yankees and pro Red Sox.
Olney, the guy that covered and tried qualifying Cone and Wells’ perfect games, taking credit away from them both. Very pro Yankees
“His off speed stuff is tremendous now and he really knows how to pitch. He set up Roberts beautifully there and struck him out on a gorgeous change up that Roberts just waved at.”=============================================
Another reason as to why you dont need to throw 98mph tp pitch effectively.
OT to Doreen
Doreen – thanks for responding in the other thread. Kids being bullied is really a big issue with me. And reading that any child/adolescent commits suicide because of being bullied brings blood to my eye. My heart breaks for those kids, thinking what they had to be going through to get to that point.
I’ve got some time now and think I want to research the issue and maybe try to get some kind of movement started that would criminalize bullying that leads to suicide and also come up with penalties for teachers and administrators who ignore bullying. It’s well past time for that problem to be confronted head on but not in a scatter-gun fashion as has seemed to be the case.
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GO YANKEES
That change up Javy threw to Markakis was just sick. Markakis looked like he was going to tip over Vazquez had him reaching and off balance so badly.
Chip,
That is now the 4th time you have posted that about Law. It is wrong. Please stop posting it.
Yay for Robbie!! So, I finally get to watch this Friday’s game, and knowing my luck, he’ll have the day off.
Wind or no wind, Cano’s blast was going out. It was the difference between 450 feet and 425 feet.
People who have taken the time to watch Vazquez pitch since 2004 realize this guy aint a #4 starter.
I haven’t read Madden in years and it’s a pleasure. This guy was once a respected journalist? It’s hard to believe – both he and Lupica are jokes.
Cano crushed that ball. Wind wasn’t why it went out.
Cano that time set up the pitcher and when Guthrie made a mistake he was ready to take advantage of it.
He put a tremendous swing on it.
No, LGY – I just dislike the guy. I don’t care if it’s his schtick or not; he’s an unlikeable, unpleasant horse’s patootie.
I gotta say, cervilli has had some good ab’s all spring.
Cano seems to be nice and relaxed with RISP this spring; I’ve been skeptical of him, but there’s nothing I would love better to be wrong because he’s so talented. He’s a guy that would be a good advertisement for the game – he’s always smiling.
CR9,
Why do you care? Their goal is to make money and get viewers. If anti-Yankee bias works for them (if there is indeed one) then so be it. Just watch a different channel. Maybe then with less viewers they would change their style.
Eppler just said that he doesn’t anticipate Ricky Martin ever engaging in heterosexual activity again.
/Bronx Jeers’d
Nick in SF March 29th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
Eppler just said that he doesn’t anticipate Ricky Martin ever engaging in heterosexual activity again.
/Bronx Jeers’d
lmao
I was against the trade at first, but now I could not be more pleased with Javy. First, it’s clear that he never wanted to leave here. Second, his teammates that are still here apparently never once questioned his competitiveness as did that psycho in Chicago. Third, he can obviously pitch. Sam wrote that Phil enjoys talking pitching; I hope he enjoys watching pitching, too, because he’s got some wonderful veterans to learn from. Obviously the same applies to Joba.
Jerkface, lol – inside joke ? LOL He should change his name to Phil Hughes is Awful or The Yankees Organization Makes me Sick.
oh f-word, Tex just got hit right on the goddamn elbow
oh no
Ledger_Yankees Teixeira just left the game. Could hear it from here. #nyy
less than 5 seconds ago via TweetDeck
Ledger_Yankees Guthrie nailed Teixeira on the elbow with a fastball. Not good. Trainer out. Slammed helmet down. #nyy
less than 20 seconds ago via TweetDeck
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
If anybody truly believes that Callis, Rosenthal, Stark, Olney and Sherman are pro-Yankee, then they must be on some serious drugs. Rosenthal, Olney and Sherman are all Red Sox shills, while Stark is pro Philadelphia and hates the Yanks while Callis have never met a Yankee prospect he liked.
Olney is particular is the worst but you can’t really blame him as he learned his Red Sox loving ways under the tutelage of Peter Gammons, the ultimate Red Sox media homer. Watch Rosnethal during the pre trade deadline FOX broadcasts and you won’t hear five words come out of his mouth before Red Sox pops out. They guy lives and dies with his Sawx.
THe only way that list of people could have been more laughable would have been if the names Mike Lupica, Bob Ryan, Bill Simmons, Gordon Edes, or the one and only Pete Gammons were on it.
looked like muscle or funny bone….hopefully.
“People who have taken the time to watch Vazquez pitch since 2004 realize this guy aint a #4 starter.”
I just read this earlier today so it’s fresh in my mind. Tony Masserotti did his preseason preview – he had the yankees as the #1 team. He did a more detailed Yanks vs. Sox look and below is what he had to say about Vazquez.
And this isn’t just Masserotti. Similar kind of things have been written by the NY and National press.
The implicit comparison to Livan Hernandez was great.
“1. The new starters: John Lackey vs. Javier Vazquez.
Though the Yankees rebuilt the front end of their rotation last year, New York further fortified its rotation by acquiring righthander Javier Vazquez from the Atlanta Braves. Vazquez’s first stint in New York was a disaster, but the Yankees this time do not need Vazquez to be a 20-game winner so much as they need him to be an innings-eater.
We all know what Lackey means to the Red Sox – in the short term and the long. But before anyone dismisses the Vazquez acquisition, know this: he is one of the most durable pitchers in baseball. Over the last 10 years, the only major leaguer with more games started than Vazquez (327) is Livan Hernandez (332). That stability is worth a great deal.”
http://www.boston.com/sports/c.....story.html
Pat M, CB went through the interview and really brought out some points that I had missed. I’m going to listen to it again now….Kay said that Mitre finished 2nd in the race, SJ said Aceves; I guess it doesn’t matter as the point is the Yankees do not think Joba is ready to be a starter for them.
Geez… Mark Teixeira just got drilled…
two things that are happening right now.
1) xrays
2) Mri
What? ****!
I’m going to expect the worst. Out of season?
Oh you have got to be kidding; god, I hope it’s not broken.
CB -
Nice positive feedback – immediate – for Cano in that at-bat. Positive reinforcement. I’ll expect more of the same from him going forward.
Trisha -
When I read the article and read that teachers had witnessed the situation and remained silent until after the suicide, I saw red. My husband actually came home just a few minutes ago and asked me if I had seen the news and I knew immediately what he was referring to. I wish you Godspeed in your endeavor, if you go forward.
I don’t think that got Tex on the elbow. I think it hit just above the elbow on the back of his arm over the triceps.
Let’s hope it didn’t strike the angle of the bone there.
Last year Tex had that wrist problem and it didn’t help the way his season started.
Any news on Teix?
Poor Tex
Hopefully he’s OK
Oh boy, Tex’s reaction (based on that tweet) makes it sound like it’s serious, like he knows it’s broken. One freaking week from Opening Day.
That looks like it hurt for Tex. We better not lose him this early in the season…
Good piece by Miggy there.
CB, when you mix dependability and effectiveness thats a pretty good combo for a “#4″ huh.
Did not look like it him square in the elbow, but man Tex was ticked so lets hope for the best.
No news on tex yet…
two things I want to hear:
1) XRAYS = negative
2) mri = clean.
Why are the starters playing in the games so close to the regular season?
I’m sick…..
CB, thanks for posting that article. Bucholz and Hughes are going to be compared to each other for a long time.
Poor Tex…..
Somethings never change. Regardless of how much he’s lost as a hitter, how old he gets or who’s pitching, Tejada is going to hit Yankee pitchers hard.
Tex was in a lot of pain but he was still moving his arm at the elbow.
It looked like it got him in the funny bone more than anything that suggested it was definitely broken per se.
We just have to wait.
Just an awful way to start the season
Juan Miranda, come on down. Now we have 2 guys who can’t hit lefties – Miranda and Granderson.
New topic of obsession:
Who will replace Tex?
Juan Miranda?
I heard Doug Mientkiewicz is available.
Joe – Pull the starters, NOW. No need to play any of them until next Sunday Night.
Masn is open on direct tv watching it now
Benny Blanco
March 29th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
No news on tex yet…
two things I want to hear:
1) XRAYS = negative
2) mri = clean.
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Benny, I got all excited for a second, and then I saw the “no news” part of you post. lol
So much for defending the championship. season over before even started
Tex is going to fine. Looked like his range of motion was ok – based on that don’t think there are any broken bones. Thought Guthrie had better control than that – that one must have just got away from him, right???
Please please let Tex be ok….
I have FIOS and I’m in NJ so I don’t get MASN
Thanks for the updates everyone
oh boy, i’m freaking out about Tex over here. I’m praying hard its not too serious…
I think Tex’s injury is a blessing in disguise — no more Joba talk !!!!!!!!!
Sorry erin.
Please let him be day to day.
Sorry erin.
Please let him be day to day.
Cash needs to start working the phones now to get a replacement, we cannot have another Cody Random situation… could Dye fill in? Maybe Frank Thomas?
Too many breaking balls
One other thing on Tex, he’s a warrior.
my mlb audio went out. What’s going on?
I heard a rumor that the lead columnist for the new ESPN NY, that is to be launched, will be Peter Gammons.
Betsy wrote: “I was against the trade at first”
How could anybody be against that trade??
gyhu,
chill out we don’t even know if he’s injured. You’re acting like he’s on IR already.
oh f-word, Tex just got hit right on the goddamn elbow
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Eiland strikes again! Another arm ruined!
Tex was flexing his arm at his elbow when he went into the clubhouse. He wasn’t hunched over or holding his arm.
He walked into the clubhouse on his own – no one was holding his arm or supporting him.
Just wait and see what the X-rays show.
Guthrie had the bases loaded… I don’t think he purposely hit him and wanted to force in a run. He probably tried to ham jam him inside and it missed.
Phil, Tex was hit on the elbow and he apparently threw the helmet down in anger. I hope hope hope that it was just out of frustration and pain and not because he could tell right away that something was wrong. I hate the Orioles and right now I’m not too thrilled with Guthrie.
NYY626
March 29th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
oh boy, i’m freaking out about Tex over here. I’m praying hard its not too serious…
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same here
ghyu
March 29th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
I think Tex’s injury is a blessing in disguise — no more Joba talk !!!!!!!!!
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Amen.
“I heard a rumor that the lead columnist for the new ESPN NY, that is to be launched, will be Peter Gammons.”
I heard the same rumor.
I also head that Keith Law, Jim Callis, and Donovan McNabb would be adding content to the site as well.
It’s back. We gave up a run.
Phil,
Man on first and second. Vazquez lost the zone a little bit – lots of curve balls that inning.
Just got a soft ground ball to alex who promptly started a double play to end the inning.
No news on Tex via TV.
Nice pick-up on a tricky smash to Rodriguez and a fast turn at 2nd by Cano for the inning ending DP
Swisher to 1st base. Gardner in LF, Grandy in CF, Winn in RF.
My dream OF.
If you’ve ever been hit on the funny bone by a pitched ball it makes you want to die and kill someone at the same time.
Haha they aren’t going to run an MRI because he got plunked in the arm. MRI is used for soft tissue and it’s not like a beanball could tear his UCL
Benny Blanco
March 29th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
Sorry erin.
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that’s OK-I just got my hopes up too soon!
Moti-Mo, all I remembered was Vasquez from his stint here and I figured he wasn’t an AL pitcher. I didn’t realize at the time that the was a ridiculously durable pitcher…
CB, thanks; I’ll try to think positive. I know Guthrie didn’t do it on purpose, but when a key piece of the team is possibly seriously hurt, the last thing I’m thinking of is the opposing pitcher.
So far, the only confirmed columnists for ESPN NY are Ian O’Connor and Adam Rubin (as the Mets beat reporter).
Tex must be absolutely fed up with being HBP’d. The Rays and the Phillies really tatooed him last season. In fact, our front 4 all get hit by pitches as part of their games.
“It’s back. We gave up a run.”
Javy left a fastball up in the zone to Wieters who turned on the ball very well to knock in Tejada who had doubled.
Javy then started throwing a lot of breaking stuff and losing the zone and walking Garrett Atkins.
Oops I forgot to add the
at the end.
But, for real, Ian O’Connor will be the head guy. I think he’s from the Bergen Record; and he is also a Red Sox stinksniffer.
Oh well.
Blake, have you ever had a leg cramp? I don’t mean a charlie horse, I mean when you calf cramps up. When that happens, yep – you want to laugh and cry at the same time. It happens to me sometimes in bad; when it does, I feel like I need a bullet to bite on.
Tex was very angry. Stompin around, had to be restrained by the trainer, slammed his helmet. He shot a nasty look at Guthrie. I saw his arm and it didnt look like he was moving it, but I’m on mlb.tv and not paying great attention.
Ian O’ Connor? Eh…..
Worst case Tex fractured something and he’s out 6 weeks. Best case he has a bruise and is out 3-4 days.
Even if he’s out for a long period Nick Johnson is a great 1B and Juan Miranda can play DH (or Jesus Montero
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oh, and thanks for all of the kind updates, folks!
Cano has tried to be more patient this spring. I can’t remember when he’s had this many called 3rd strikes on close pitches in so few at bats.
“Tex must be absolutely fed up with being HBP’d.”
That’s what I was thinking as well watching his reaction to getting hit.
Looked like he got hit on the funny bone and it was extremely painful.
But there also almost looked to be an aspect of disgust in his reaction and it wasn’t because Guthrie was trying to hit him.
Tex may need to start wearing some padding on his arm because that’s one place he keeps getting hit.
I don’t even want to think about the worst case, but I am. I’m very nervous now…..
Betsy, yea that a terrible feeling too.. eat those bananas.
What’s taking so long? What f uc*ing millenium are we living in?
I thought they have x-ray apps on iphones by now. So third world we are.
ESPN NY will have a dozen writers. Basically, they are trying to replace the local NY sports papers and make a sports page of their own. Makes sense, considering they already plucked 2 guys from local papers (O’Conner and Rubin).
Thx Nick.
I had a good Cashman counter statement but I decided it was a bit too off-color. Something to do with “backdoor options still available”
Al
March 29th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
Why are the starters playing in the games so close to the regular season?
I imagine because there aren’t that many non regulars left in camp, but mostly to satisfy the posters here that will be upset if the Yanks don’t end up being the spring training champions.
Betsy
Don’t be worried. Just hope for the best.
Bananas are good for leg cramps? I eat a banana every day actually. I only get those agonizing cramps when I’m trying to stretch and I stretch the wrong way.
“I saw his arm and it didnt look like he was moving it, but I’m on mlb.tv and not paying great attention.”
He was moving it ok when he was waling back into the clubhouse. At first he was bent over grabbing it. It was clearly very painful.
But he started bending it back and forth some as went into the club house.
Tex was mad but there’s no way Guthrie was throwing at him. I think he might have been upset because he has gotten hit so frequently over the past year.
I’m hoping, CR….but this shows you just how fragile a season can be. At any moment, when you are least expecting it, boom ….
If Tex is out a while, what about trying to bring back Melky? Plug him at 1st base, ATL doesn’t need him he is a 4th OF there.
Vaz is just gonna screw with hitters all year.
“Bananas are good for leg cramps? ”
Potassium.
Like i said, worst case he’s out 6 weeks maybe a bit more. And the good news is, the Yankees have able replacements for him. It’s not the end of the world if he fractured something.
Left handed hitters have a lot of trouble staying balanced against Javy.
That change is very good against lefties.
except for Roberts right there.
If Tex is out a while, what about trying to bring back Melky? Plug him at 1st base, ATL doesn’t need him he is a 4th OF there.
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Why?
didn’t alex have to start wearing extra padding last year because he kept getting hit?
“worst case he’s out 6 weeks”
That’s not the worst case.
“Why?”
Clutch
Javy hung a curve ball to Roberts that he tatooed for a double.
Javy’s curve ball hasn’t been great tonight in terms of sharpness and command.
His curve has been much better on prior outings this spring.
“That’s not the worst case.”
Yes it is.
Worst case is that his arm falls off and he dies. Or develops a cavernous malformation in his triceps. If that happens then we shouldn’t even think about baseball for Tex. His family won’t be.
NYY626
March 29th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
didn’t alex have to start wearing extra padding last year because he kept getting hit?
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I think you’re right-I do remember something about that.
Remember Swish getting hit and the right elbow last season and I think it really hurt his swing for a while.
Guys, can we stop acting like the season’s over?
No news outta MASN yet…
“Guys, can we stop acting like the season’s over?”
i second this
Ricky
March 29th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
Just an awful way to start the season
Juan Miranda, come on down. Now we have 2 guys who can’t hit lefties – Miranda and Granderson.
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Miranda hit .291 vs. lefties last year, and had a better OPS vs. lefties than RHP.
Javy doesn’t have his best stuff tonight, could be a little ST dead arm or just a bad night. The thing I’m really optimistic he will provide this year is consistency even on his off nights. A guy that will grind it out and go deep in the game even when he is a bit. The Yankees need that tremendously.
CB
March 29th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
Javy hung a curve ball to Roberts that he tatooed for a double.
Javy’s curve ball hasn’t been great tonight in terms of sharpness and command.
His curve has been much better on prior outings this spring.
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It’s got to be a great feeling for a pitcher with great stuff, and then be able to use smoke and mirrors when necessary.
So now we’re diagnosing Teix’s elbow without examining him?
now Cervelli gets hit
Now cervelli gets hit by Guthrie right on his back forearm, jesus!!
And he wings Cervelli on an inside pitch.
Jeter is about to get hit
“So now we’re diagnosing Teix’s elbow without examining him?”
Well it either hit his bone and maybe fractured it or hit muscle and gave him a nasty bruise.
The most likely scenario is he’ll be fine in a few days.
I mean really – he’s not doing it on purpose (I would have to assume), but this might get ugly later on
“It’s got to be a great feeling for a pitcher with great stuff, and then be able to use smoke and mirrors when necessary.”
Thats often what separates the good ones from the rest. Who can find a way to get it done with what they have that night. Pettite is like that.
Spring training or not, Javy should plunk Roberts or something..
The whole traditionalist vs. sabermatrician debate is an endless one.
Eddie Murray who is sitting in on the booth with the O’s crew.
Murray was asked about facing a pitcher like Vazquez who you can’t just “guess” what is going to be thrown. Murray was specifically asked about Adam Jones and what Jones needed to do to advance his offensive game.
He said something that neatly gets at some important things underlying some of those endless arguments like OBP vs. BA, etc.
I’m paraphrasing here but Murray basically said:
All strikes aren’t good strikes. You have to be mentally strong enough to lay off and get your pitch.
That gets at the heart of a lot of those debates.
O’s going with the if you can’t beat them, hurt them approach tonight?
Okay – Girardi needs to pull his team and go home. (Only slightly kidding)
as long as not intentional. giradri needs to calm down
Teams are throwing at us too much.
Rishi
March 29th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
I mean really – he’s not doing it on purpose (I would have to assume), but this might get ugly later on
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I know-I was thinking the same thing.
So now Cisco was hit.
YankeesWFAN No news on Teixeira yet. Waiting for the word.
50 seconds ago
If Girardi is ticked off I guarantee you we’ll retaliate at some point tonight..
“All strikes aren’t good strikes. You have to be mentally strong enough to lay off and get your pitch.”
It’s been going on since the days of Branch Rickey (maybe before that).
Pitch trax showed that really low, but MASN is such a terrible network that I cant even see the plate. So whatever.
“Javy doesn’t have his best stuff tonight, could be a little ST dead arm or just a bad night.”
Some dead arm is a good thought. His fastball hasn’t had a lot of zip on it either.
Guthrie is taking over where Daniel Cabrera left off? Sweet.
eboland11 Cervelli hit in what looked to be right forearm. After losing Teixeira earlier, clearly PO’d Girardi seen from dugout gesturing at Guthrie.
Beckett was throwing 90-91 in the first inning. Wonder what the Sox did to ruin him? Time to send him to the pen I guess.
Bad sign it’s taking so long.
Are you kidding ? Where was Frankie hit? Seriously, pull the players, lol.
As boring as it usually is, pitchers really need to bat.
blake
March 29th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
“It’s got to be a great feeling for a pitcher with great stuff, and then be able to use smoke and mirrors when necessary.”
Thats often what separates the good ones from the rest. Who can find a way to get it done with what they have that night. Pettite is like that.
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Pettitte’s one of the best at that. He’s a lot like a left handed Catfish Hunter. Ordinary stuff about half of the time, but, still knows how to win games. The 2009 PS is a great example.
I don’t know how many pitches guthrie is scheduled for but it’s probably close to a full work load.
Guthrie has very poor control tonight. Joe should consider pulling his starters early.
Guthrie really doesn’t know where the ball is going and he keeps trying to come inside as pitchers will do in spring training just to try to work the inside.
Time for somebody on the O’s to get drilled. That will pit an end to it.
Put Joba in to do it.
I hope it’s not a bad sign that it’s taking so long and if Girardi is upset, good for him. He has every right to be.
A-Rod needs to man up
“Javy doesn’t have his best stuff tonight, could be a little ST dead arm or just a bad night.”
Some dead arm is a good thought. His fastball hasn’t had a lot of zip on it either.
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While we are at it. May be Javy has an injuries, too.
“Beckett was throwing 90-91 in the first inning. Wonder what the Sox did to ruin him? Time to send him to the pen I guess.”
Bucchholz was still throwing from the wrong arm slot yesterday after correcting that problem in the second half of last year.
Buchholz ERA this spring is almost 10.
Off to the pen with him!
Seriously – pull the players
Jesus, people…nobody is throwing at the Yankees.. The pitch to Teireia got away. Cervelli just didn’t get out of the way and it glanced off of his arm.
“A-Rod needs to man up”
Challenge Guthrie to a duel?
joba needs some work, let somebody else do it.
if the hbp were not intentional, why does giradri get p*ssed
is somewhat bushleague i think
“Seriously – pull the players”
Uh, no. You don’t run away from this stuff.
Pettite can maneuver his way through a lineup on nights without his A stuff as good as anybody.
Guthrie never seems to know where its going. If there was a bull mascot he would hit it I imagine.
Would Joba shake off a retaliation pitch?
Ledger_Yankees Hang tight guys. As soon as I hear anything re: Teixeira I’ll pass it along. #nyy
about 1 minute ago
Is it good or bad that it’s taking so long???
Yankee pitchers hit more batters last year than they have in years and were in the top 3 in the league.
You don’t need to pull the players. Just have payback. That stops it.
This is why health care needs reform.
40 minutes and counting. Still no news on Tex’s injury.
pat March 29th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
“A-Rod needs to man up”
Challenge Guthrie to a duel?
Chase him with his bat
“Is it good or bad that it’s taking so long???”
It’s probably that there are 500000000 people asking him about it!!!
It’s taking too long. That means bad news.
Rich, this is ST- what do you want to do, start a brawl?
GB7,
You’re right, he’s not intentionally throwing at the Yankees but he’s throwing inside. And if you screw up throwing inside, it deserves retaliation. Doesn’t matter if it’s intentional or not.
Guthrie isn’t trying to hit anyone but the problem is that he really doesn’t know where the ball is going but at the same time it looks like his spring training game plan was to work the inside part of the plate.
Not a good combination.
In the regular season a guy like Guthrie would not be trying to come in on the yankees as much as he has tonight. It looks like a process thing he’s just trying to work on tonight.
It’s not a great combination for yankee hitters.
“Bucchholz was still throwing from the wrong arm slot yesterday after correcting that problem in the second half of last year.”
Do you think the Sox have picked up on this? I mean surely they have….
Trevor, I think so too. How hard is it to diagnose a bruise?
“This is why health care needs reform.”
Stop wasting bandwidth.
“Time for somebody on the O’s to get drilled. That will pit an end to it.
Put Joba in to do it.”
Oh God no.
We’ll have 3 days of discussions over how Joba used to have his “Youkilis head-hunter” pitch but it wasn’t properly developed by the Yanks hierarchy.
Haha I wouldn’t put Joba in to throw at someone. He tends to throw at people’s heads and I don’t want someone to die out there
“Is it good or bad that it’s taking so long???”
Don’t panic. They may not have the same level of medical equipment at a spring training facility.
Jerkface, I read your comments and attempt translation from my Saturday Night post…..As mentioned, I went to a Memorial to honor a dear friend who I golfed with for many years….After the services many of us hung out at The Club and proceeded to get hammered….In fact some of us ended up in Vegas that night…..My wife called me wanting to know what time to pick me up at the Club…Sweetheart I’m in Las Vegas don’t worry about picking me up……She was not very happy with me….Did hit the two basketball games though….I can’t even remember the point I was attempting to make in that post, because I have very little memory of even sending it…..
Guthrie sucks. He obviously wasn’t trying to hit Cervelli and Tex but the little bastard did.
“In the regular season a guy like Guthrie would not be trying to come in on the yankees as much as he has tonight. It looks like a process thing he’s just trying to work on tonight.”
Who cares? It’s reckless and he shouldn’t be doing it.
Pat, good point. I’m really trying my best to be positive, but it’s not working.
Eye for an eye. I hope Youkilis gets drilled in the elbow tonight.
Is anybody looking for someone to join their fantasy baseball league?
This is the first year I actually have the time to manage my team all year!
blake,
I could be completely wrong about Buchholz or it just could be bad camera angles.
Unfortunately, there’s no pitch f/x data I can take a look at to look at his release point.
That said I do think he’s throwing from a different arm slot than he was at the end of last year.
And if that’s the case there is no chance that I’m seeing something that the Red Sox are not.
If my observation is correct – they know.
Just look at Clay’s head. He throws so over the top he has to jerk his head to the left to clear out space for his arm to come through.
When he does it it’s pretty obvious and easy to see.
say goodbye to the playoffs if Tex is injured and misses any amount of time.
Remember when Joba was scary and threw 96-98 and always head hunted
The problem is that Teixeira and A-rod were hit 20 times and they aren’t really ontop of the plate.
Guthrie is like a lot of pitchers over the last 20 years. They don’t know how to pitch inside because they don’t do ir often enough…because of over zealous umpires trying to be Kreskins.
“Who cares? It’s reckless and he shouldn’t be doing it.”
Huh? I don’t think he should be doing it as he has no clue where the ball is going.
The yanks should brush back a few O’s hitters so Guthrie stops the spring training experimentation that’s endangering the yankee hitters.
Intentional or not it’s clearly a problem.
say goodbye to the playoffs if Tex is injured and misses any amount of time.
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Haha ok whatever you say
Joba has a drinking problem
CB, I watched him yesterday and I noticed it too. Don’t know if I would have if I hadn’t read your posts about it, but it sure looks like the arm slot is different and he has looked bad this spring both in results and process.
“Seriously – pull the players”
wow. some seriously clueless people in this thread.
Well, I’m not a fan of head-hunting; there is no place for that in the game
Remember when Joba was scary and threw 96-98 and always head hunted
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He will return to being that guy soon enough..
Pat M: thanks a lot, I waited 5 hours for you in Costa Mesa!
Well, I’m not a fan of head-hunting; there is no place for that in the game
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True but there is a place in the game for retaliation.. below the neck
Don’t talk about yourself that way, Moti-Mo – I’m sure you’re not as bad as all that.
“Huh? I don’t think he should be doing it as he has no clue where the ball is going.”
Right, and that’s all that matters.
Weiters’ at bat is a perfect example of how to pitch inside. That had to be an uncomfortable walk for Weiters. Vazquez had two outs and a 4 run lead and threw him two chest high fastballs inside .
If Javy hasn’t retalitated by now, he’s not going to. I wish it was AJ on the mound.
Betsy – Romine wasn’t built in a day March 29th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
If Javy hasn’t retalitated by now, he’s not going to. I wish it was AJ on the mound.
Joba will. I hope.
blake,
Good to hear that you saw the same thing. His mechanics get so extreme that it’s pretty clear.
His curve ball is better than it was last year as he can get more on top of it! There’s that.
But man that fastball is flat with poor command. Slider is also not nearly as good.
I didn’t watch much of the game. But it’s kind of strange to listen to the announcers are talking about how great he ended the game when he got 11 straight outs to end the game after another bad first two innings.
He was still throwing the ball from a different slot. He just got outs on off speed stuff.
Good luck with that in the regular season.
Right elbow contusion for Teixeira. Was seen by a doctor, but No x-rays were taken. Yankees will reevaluate tomorrow.
half a minute ago via web
Ledger_Yankees
Teixiera right elbow bruise; no X-Rays. #nyy
YankeesWFAN Teixeira diagnosed with R elbow contusion (or a bruise). No xrays were taken. Will see how he is tomorrow for further evaluation.
20 seconds ago
Pat M
That post had me chuckling for hours after I read it the next morning.
I kept thinking this is the 2010 version of drunk dialing.
BloggingBombers Right elbow contusion for Teixeira. Was seen by a doctor, but No x-rays were taken. Yankees will reevaluate tomorrow.
2 minutes ago via web
Teixeira has a right elbow contusion. No x-rays were taken. He will be reevaluated tomorrow.
Why didn’t Javy retaliate?
Whew – that’s good news for Tex, though Swish had an elbow bruise and he struggled for a long time after getting hit.
# Rich in NJ March 29th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
Ledger_Yankees
Teixiera right elbow bruise; no X-Rays. #nyy
Man up Tex
“If Javy hasn’t retalitated by now, he’s not going to. I wish it was AJ on the mound.”
You are mistaken. If Javy is going to retaliate he’ll do it when he’s close to his pitch count..
LOL we were all refreshing twitter at the same time..
Does Teixeira have a right elbow contusion and were X-Rays taken? Will he be reevaluated tomorrow?
Bring Royce Ring out of the BP for some retaliation.
Let him throw one of his side-winding submarine balls right at their ribs
Patrick, I hope so; I don’t believe Javy is a wimp and boy, I want to send a message to those O’s.
hopefully he be ok
so we have to wait a whole day to find out if his arm is broken? GREAT JUST GREAT! I AM NOT SLEEPING TONIGHT!
Now I can relax………and go listen to the Cash interview again.
Tex was actively flexing his arm at the elbow when he walked into the dugout. You don’t do that if you’ve broken your elbow.
Getting hit on the funny bone is just extremely painful and that what he looked like.
He’ll be fine overall.
This unfortunately could affect his hitting some to start the season. Given that tex gets off to poor starts he didn’t really need anything physically affecting his swing.
Hopefully the contusion isn’t too bad.
What exactly is a contusion? Good? Bad? Someone break this down further for me please!
so we have to wait a whole day to find out if his arm is broken? GREAT JUST GREAT! I AM NOT SLEEPING TONIGHT!
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Smoke a blunt
interesting watching ben mc donald get interviewed.
for about ten days had a locker next to ben in orioles spring training.
he was totally a great guy. he thought it was hilarious that i was danny boone’s personal catcher because no one wanted to catch his knuckleball.
i wasn’t on the team, didn’t get paid, and frank robinson hated the idea of danny boone being his closer.
so i knew it was going to be short lived , but definitely a fun experience.
when i look back that was a really strange thing for the orioles to do putting a catcher in there with no connection to the team.
CB, yea it was pretty noticeable and as you said it could be the camera angle but it sure doesn’t look like it. His fastball did look really flat. No life whatsoever. I find it hard to believe the Sox would have made that change so maybe it just bad habit creeping back with him.
OK, I feel better now. lol
a contusion is just a bruise.
When they say they’ll reevaluate tomorrow, what does that mean? That they’ll determine tomorrow how long he’ll be out? They didn’t take x-rays tonight; does that mean they don’t think they are necessary?
Guess it’s not season ending. Bad news for Red Sox trolls wishing for worse.
Just have Joba do it. He lives for that stuff. Drill two guys and get it over with.
That puts the O’s on notice the nonsense won’t be tolerated during the season.
Yanks should just sit Tex for the rest of Spring training, maybe the rest will give his arm enough time to heal.
For whatever it’s worth, I can’t imagine retaliation in a situation like this. It’s spring training. Guthrie wasn’t hitting anyone on purpose and the Yankees know it. Doesn’t mean Girardi can’t get upset about it, but there’s no sense hitting one of the Orioles.
Girardi needs to stop playing his regs this last week, we cannot afford injuries.. JUST BENCH THEM ALL!
“I wish it was AJ on the mound.”
Many a game where AJ has far less of a clue where the ball is going than Guthrie does tonight.
AJ hit more batters last year than any other pitcher in baseball last year as I remember.
Could be part of why so many yankee hitters got nailed last year.
Arno
March 29th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
What exactly is a contusion?
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It’s a fancy word for a bruise.
Take out Javy please
GB – I’m not watching the game (have MLB covering the Sox-Rays). If Vazquez really threw two inside, chest high FBs to Wieter, I think the message about pitching inside has been delivered.
I don’t think you need to hit someone to send the message that you don’t appreciate the lack of control.
if they weren’t hit on purpose, giradri has no grip.
if yanks would reliate, it would mean giradri a fool with a temper. in fact is would br bushleague
CB, that’s true……..but AJ also protects his teammates. I’m not saying Javy isn’t like that, but remember when Padilla hit Tex?
Every year some crap team decides they want to prove themselves against the Yanks. One year it was the Rays running over Cervelli so they can beat their chests and say they play hard every day. This year it’s the Orioles showing how “tough” they are by throwing inside. Put Joba in to buzz Roberts and Markakis so they know this crap doesn’t fly
Phew, thanks for the translation!
Also, Yankee hitters are always getting hit, way before AJ joined the team.
Javy is laboring
So right elbow contusion means what… day to day? out 2 weeks? out 2 months?
IMO now, it’s downright ridiculous to flip out when you don’t know what’s happening.
Does everyone remember when Joba got hit once? I swear to God we had three straight days of everyone in the world KNOWING that he was going to be out for the season. This despite Girardi saying he didn’t think it was going to be anything major because of the range of motion Joba had. This place was nonstop panic, inability to breathe, and grim reapersville. You would have thought that people gave birth to Joba. I of course suggested that people wait until they knew what was going on and reminded them of what Girardi said. In one ear and out the other.
Joba was fine.
Tex is going to be fine or he isn’t. He’s not dead. If he’s not fine the Yankees will deal with it. Can we please stop the drama?
And I bet ya that coonskin hat stunk to high hell in the Baltimore summer.
“So right elbow contusion means what…”
it’s a bruise, nothing to freak out about
That ball was hit well.
If I recall, Javy started his off-season workouts earlier than the rest of the Yankee pitchers (who started later than usual due to their heavy workload), so he could be feeling the effects now
Hung that one.
“It’s spring training. Guthrie wasn’t hitting anyone on purpose and the Yankees know it.”
That really doesn’t matter. It’s reckless. If you can’t throw inside without hitting someone, don’t throw inside.
“His fastball did look really flat. No life whatsoever. I find it hard to believe the Sox would have made that change so maybe it just bad habit creeping back with him.”
That’s not the Sox. That’s Clay. They intentionally sent him down and changed his slot. Made him a much better pitcher.
It’s funny too because over and over you hear that part of why Buchholz has such a high upside is because he’s such a premium athlete. Fastest guy in the organization, pinch runner extrodinaire, etc.
But even with his plus atheleticism old habits seem to be coming back after the off season and he doesn’t appear to be able to repeat the delivery he worked on last year.
Don’t hear anyone killing the sox coaching staff for what his clearly a mechanical problem either.
Instead in boston their attributing it to Clay not being mentally tough enough, nibbling, etc… the usual.
Joba should plunk the guy in the on-deck circle, that’ll put the fear into all of them.
As long as Javy is healthy, the game means nothing….he’s probably just a bit tired now.
“For whatever it’s worth, I can’t imagine retaliation in a situation like this. It’s spring training. Guthrie wasn’t hitting anyone on purpose and the Yankees know it. Doesn’t Girardi can’t get upset about it, but there’s not sense hitting one of the Orioles.”
Chad, welcome to irrationality. Get used to it.
Didn’t the Yankees change Phil’s arm slot to go more over the top – but then last year he went back to his old 3/4 slot?
Joba should plunk the guy in the on-deck circle, that’ll put the fear into all of them.
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Joke or not, that would be hysterical
Joe from Long Island
March 29th, 2010 at 8:35 pm
GB – I’m not watching the game (have MLB covering the Sox-Rays). If Vazquez really threw two inside, chest high FBs to Wieter, I think the message about pitching inside has been delivered.
I don’t think you need to hit someone to send the message that you don’t appreciate the lack of control.
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It takes a veteran pitcher to deliver a message without upsetting the opposition. The next time he has to deliver a message, there will be a stamp on it.
“Javy is laboring”
Yeah he is. This is just one of those late spring training games. Blake called it before with the dead arm. More and more that’s what it looks like.
Change is great – but that’s obviously soft. Javy’s other stuff hasn’t looked crisp.
And he’s now hanging that curve ball somewhat frequently with the wind blowing out.
This is a spring training game where the outcome really doesn’t matter.
Javy just needs to get his work in to build his arm strength.
“Somebody joked to Johnson that he should race Brett Gardner, prompting somebody else to ask whether Johnson gets challenged to races by athletes at his academy. Johnson said he gets asked to race people all the time, but instead of politely declining, he teaches them a lesson.
“I go out and kick their (butt),” Johnson said.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/blo.....z0jcFzsdwM
Nick in SF
March 29th, 2010 at 8:40 pm
Joba should plunk the guy in the on-deck circle, that’ll put the fear into all of them.
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“Does everyone remember when Joba got hit once? I swear to God we had three straight days of everyone in the world KNOWING that he was going to be out for the season.”
not that cashman overreacted or anything making everyone think that.
just because he brought up wang too soon cutting short his rehab and then not being able to send him back to the minors because of the injury rules when joba didn’t miss his start doesn’t mean he overreacted.
contusion = bruise.
Javy just got boned by the ump on a nice breaker
“Didn’t the Yankees change Phil’s arm slot to go more over the top – but then last year he went back to his old 3/4 slot?”
No. This is what rumor mongering internet posters have convinced themselves of.
Pat M himself has said Hughes throws now almost exactly like he did in high school.
He looked the same way that first game he pitched in the majors.
It’s remarkable how these rumors about Hughes get started and will not die.
“Chad, welcome to irrationality. Get used to it.”
OK, thanks. Your opinion is rational and anyone who disagrees with you is irrational Gotcha.
Johnson should have replied:
“I have as many stolen bases this spring as Gardner does.”
“And he’s now hanging that curve ball somewhat frequently with the wind blowing out.”
cb-
you’d think his curveball would move even more going into the wind.
maybe it’s not as much of a factor at the plate in that stadium.
Betsy,
Just to clarify my last post – I was not suggesting that you were spreading these rumors. I know you were just trying to clarify.
“No. This is what rumor mongering internet posters have convinced themselves of”
I wouldn’t call it a rumor. I think it’s a misreading of video. There are sites that have put up side-by-side videos which they believe demonstrates there has been a difference. I have never saw what they claim to be a variation in arm slot.
No, posters who flip out without having information are irrational. Posters who automatically look for retribution without really knowing whether intent was there are irrational. If you fit into either school, you are irrational.
And yes indeed I am rational. There are a few of us here.
Javy hasn’t had his best stuff and has missed a lot of spots especially with his offspeed stuff tonight but guess what..he’s still up 5-4. If he hangs in there in games like this then he’ll get a lot of wins he’s not used to getting on this team.
randy,
Good point. It looks like the wind is swirling and more of an issue in the outfield.
Javy just looks tired tonight. It happens.
I’m so impressed with his change up.
Intent is not always relevant on the diamond.
” Posters who automatically look for retribution without really knowing whether intent was there are irrational. If you fit into either school, you are irrational.”
Thanks for the laugh.
“And yes indeed I am rational. There are a few of us here.”
Again.
trisha,
You aren’t understanding that regardless of intent, if a pitcher screws up throwing inside, it still warrants some sort of retaliation.
“I wouldn’t call it a rumor. I think it’s a misreading of video. ”
The rumor part was that the yankees intentionally changed Hughes mechanics. The yankees became the “cause” of a “change” that didn’t exist.
An awful piece of analytic work by Carlos Gomez produced a poor conclusion to which fans all over the internet attributed active mismanagement by the team as being the cause of.
I know, CB – I’ve never seen anything like it. People swear that he threw 96 in the minors, so now they are disappointed with him now. Yet – they don’t believe Phil when he says he never threw that hard. I believe Pat – and so Phil obviously had some very good instruction at a young age.
trisha,
I guess Cashman did not get the memo that Joba was fine last year.
You should send him an e-mail and let him know to be patient with Tex before going out and trading the farm for Adrian Gonzalez.
“If he hangs in there in games like this then he’ll get a lot of wins he’s not used to getting on this team.”
Yankee games start in after the 6th inning. The way this offense is going to destroy bull pens is going to be a big boon to a guy like Javy who gives a team a lot of length.
No but sometimes the situation at hand and the conditions in the stadium can give you a pretty good indication. And by the way, the last thing Guthrie is known as is someone who goes after hitters. If you know anything about his background you could probably imagine that they weren’t intent pitches.
Chad saying that he doesn’t believe they were is also helpful.
Doesn’t matter if it was intentional or not.
If you can’t be responsible to throw inside without hitting guys, don’t do it.
If you do, don’t cry if one of your guys gets hit later in the game.
There are certain baseball “rules” in ST. One is, don’t throw inside if you have no command.
All that often accomplishes is one of your own guys gets hurt in retailiation.
Joba could score some teammate points tonight. Hopefully, he does what he knows he needs to do and that’s have his teammates backs.
CB, no problem – I didn’t take it that way. Gomez used to post occasionally at NYYFans and, well – he insisted that Phil’s mechanics had changed and he was the worse for them. Hmm, he fit in right there, lol. He stopped posting there after he went to work for the Diamondbacks.
That’s a funny little snippet about Michael Johnson vs Brett Gardner.
I know Johnson is a world class sprinter but he’s 42 now, there’s no way Gardner would lose to him in a race.
Boras must have called Tex for Heyman…..
SI_JonHeyman mark teixeira’s ok, just sore, after being hit by pitch today.
” And by the way, the last thing Guthrie is known as is someone who goes after hitters. If you know anything about his background you could probably imagine that they weren’t intent pitches.”
It’s irrelevant. You’re flat out wrong.
I forgot Joba was pitching tonight…….but will his teammates be disappointed in Javy?
The pitches may not have been intentional on an individual basis, but the strategy was.
Guthrie was just getting practice in working the inside part of the plate.
He tried coming in on Cano down 3-1 in the count. Now he missed his spot and left the ball out over the plate.
But the catcher was set up inside.
No chance Guthrie is going to try to come inside on a guy with Cano’s bat speed down 3-1 in the regular season.
But if he can’t control his stuff inside in spring training he shouldn’t be throwing there.
Way to go Winfree
Wind free
One of the biggest advantages a pitcher can have is being comfortable throwing inside knowing there will be no repercussion if one gets away from him.
It does not matter if it was intentional. Guthrie needs to know that next time he should think twice before throwing inside when he has no control of the ball.
patrick, I don’t agree at all. So any time one of our guys may be wild, the opposition pitcher should plunk one of our hitters? I don’t like retaliation at all. Leave to the umpire to give warnings.
The most recent thing Guthrie is known for is plunking two Yankees.
It doesn’t matter about intent; most pitchers trying to pitch inside aren’t trying to hit and injure another player. No one is saying throw at the head of another player, but it’s important for teams to realize there are consequences to pitching that far insider.
Patrick
March 29th, 2010 at 8:55 pm
That’s a funny little snippet about Michael Johnson vs Brett Gardner.
I know Johnson is a world class sprinter but he’s 42 now, there’s no way Gardner would lose to him in a race.
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LOL. Thought it was Nick Johnson. Who has as many SB this ST as Brett. They have one apiece.
I love watching Arod hit.
trisha,
Girls don’t get it
It’s a guy thing okay?
Winfree as Wally Pipp?
Actually, that’s not true. Guthrie is a pink and he likes to pitch inside. He’s not real popular with his teammates.
That’s ok but, on March nights when you have no command, it’s probably wise to stop before one of your teammates get hurt.
LGY – it wasn’t last year.
What did Winfree do?
Very disappointed in Javy for not retaliating.
We have to have a 24 yr old kid do it instead?
“So any time one of our guys may be wild, the opposition pitcher should plunk one of our hitters? I don’t like retaliation at all.”
Yup, if they want to do it, it’s understandable. That’s fine, but it’s part of the game.
Rishi
March 29th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
Winfree as Wally Pipp?
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Rather, was Tex getting Pipped, you know what I mean
Patrick, I’m a girl, lol. It’s definitely NOT a girl thing, I promise you that.
trisha,
Joba got hit with a line drive last year.
“I didn’t take it that way. Gomez used to post occasionally at NYYFans and, well – he insisted that Phil’s mechanics had changed and he was the worse for them.”
He did? I had no idea. That explains it. I don’t read that site at all.
That article on the hard ball times drove me crazy. Gomez seemed to be writing it to get attention and he got it.
That really helped start the avalanche of articles on the internet using video to point out the myriad of flaws in a pitcher’s mechanics and decree that he is destined to be injured.
That was one of those articles that makes “analytic” work in baseball look horrible and points out many of it’s limitations – limitations that aren’t identified nearly often enough.
I think SJ meant that Guthrie’s a punk, but I like him as a pink just as well, lol.
Betsy,
Scroll up, Chad made an update
“Very disappointed in Javy for not retaliating.
We have to have a 24 yr old kid do it instead?”
LOL…this is wrong on so many levels….
Since Vazquez didn’t do it… Joba needs to take it on himself to show his teammates he has their back.
Someone has to right? Vazquez was too afraid to. Joba needs to man up and do it.
“Patrick, I’m a girl, lol. It’s definitely NOT a girl thing, I promise you that.”
I was just joking. Honestly, I said that so I didn’t have to get in an argument with trisha, she’s relentless.
Thanks, Patrick!
Winfree hasn’t been bad at all; I hope he goes down to AAA and has a good year. Winfree and Golson have been ok…
“He did? I had no idea. That explains it. I don’t read that site at all.”
That’s why I said it’s not a rumor.
I can’t believe this mob mentality with retaliation against the O’s. Okay- Joba plunks one or even two O’s, then the benches clear and a more serious injury happens to one of the regulars and you might even have suspensions to start the season.
Stick with a contusion, move on and keep it in the memory banks.
LOL Patrick………got it.
Letting the umpires deal with anything is usually the wrong way, lol.
“Guthrie is a pink and he likes to pitch inside.”
That’s what they said about Ricky Martin too!
There is no reason for having Javy do it and risk get suspended.
Let Joba do it. He sucks anyway now that the Yankees ruined him.
Interesting SJ because I hear the opposite about Guthrie and his teammates.
Joba is trying to earn his manager’s truet as the 8th inning guy. So is Robertson. Ring is trying to earn a spot on the team.
I’d imagine retaliation is the furthest thing from their minds, trying to impress their manager is.
Javy was the one who should have done it but he refused to.
Why don’t you idiots go read a book and stop obsessing about things so meaningless.
Too bad Aubrey Huff isn’t still with the O’s. Perfect one to plunk.
“I can’t believe this mob mentality with retaliation against the O’s. Okay- Joba plunks one or even two O’s, then the benches clear and a more serious injury happens to one of the regulars and you might even have suspensions to start the season.
Stick with a contusion, move on and keep it in the memory banks.”
Seriously.
“I know Johnson is a world class sprinter but he’s 42 now, there’s no way Gardner would lose to him in a race.”
patrick-
i would think gardner might beat him on how fast they could both steal second or from first to third going around corners, but in a 100 meter race gardner would get smoked.
… and 42 isn’t that old.
Fear of getting suspended is a cop out. Burnett took his suspension. Joba took his suspension in the past. Farnsworth took his suspension.
Be a man and hit the guy. Do you want your teammates to think you don’t have their back? Trust me, the one extra day rest (aka suspension) is worth it for clubhouse cred.
Guthrie’s out of the game. It’s fine. He was the guy who was creating a dangerous situation for yankee hitters.
“I can’t believe this mob mentality”
Yeah, it’s a mob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m listening to the Cash interview again and Michael Kay is still annoying.
A contusion is just a bruise, right?
This is a good sign, right?
Pitchforks and torches, lol…….yep.
Yeah, it’s a mob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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An irrational mob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can a mob be rational?
Betsy–go do the dishes
“I was just joking. Honestly, I said that so I didn’t have to get in an argument with trisha, she’s relentless.”
patrick-
is it rational of trisha for her to think she’s rational ?
I’m sorry? Go do the dishes? Ugh……..You do realize this is the 2010′s and not the 1010′s. Oh heavens, I should be barefoot and pregnant, shouldn’t I?
For a world class athlete 42 is pretty old.
I don’t know how the guy has aged but I have to think Gardner’s sprinting ability is up there with the best.
I don’t think either of us can say for sure which guy would win but it’d be a ton of fun to watch
Alex Rodriguez singles on a ground ball to left fielder Nolan Ryan. Two out.
92 mph from joba, leadoff single linedrive off jeter’s glove as he jumped up to try and snag it
“is it rational of trisha for her to think she’s rational ? ”
la la la I can’t hear you
“Betsy–go do the dishes”
lmao
cheeses, Joba’s giving up hard contact this Spring.
Now Nolan Ryan would be old for an active athlete, lol
Betsy–just trying to encourage you to be a little productive. You’re not productive here, because you know nothing about baseball. I like to help others.
patrick, I think I’d rather go with the opinion of females here who are not known for bridge jumping, no offense Betsy. If someone comes unhinged when a Yankee gets hit, I don’t know if I trust that person’s idea of what should happen next.
Sorry, I’m with the people here who think that retaliation in this case is probably not the answer. And patrick if I’m relentless good God almighty I have plenty of company here. At least I’m not relentlessly knee jerk or relentlessly negative. (generic statements not personal since they fit a lot of the posters here.)
Joba has looked like garbage this spring.
I don’t think the people who wanted him to be the long man have anything to be worried about – that is where he is headed.
Joe isin’t going to use this version of Joba over Robertsion, Marte, or Park.
NICE K!
First help yourself before you try and help other people, choochoo
89 mph from Joba, Guthrie’s velocity looked normal, so this is annoying.
92
92
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89
90
91
91
86 <– this was a nice looking slider, got a weak swing.
trisha,
The relentless comment was meant as a compliment.
And once again, I’m not going to argue with you. It’s real simple, the unwritten rule of baseball is if you hit one of my guys, we hit one of yours. It’s just how it is. Intentions don’t even enter into the equation.
Um, I’m not supposed to take offense to that Trisha? Just saying “no offense” doesn’t give you a free pass. However, I’m not in the mood to argue with anyone tonight, so I’m going to drop it.
This is a quote from choochoo about how we should evaluate Gardner
“he’s also a .000 World Series lifetime hitter. That might mean something.”
And Betsy knows nothing about baseball
ehh… with that velocity, Joba is not going to be much help out of the pen. He was touching 94 as a starter in just his 2nd start. Now throwing max effort he is topping out at 92?
patrick again thank you.
Thames!
btw, HBPing people is not about justice. It is about accounting.
LGY–your point?
Thames just took a righty deep and pulled a pitch in the other batter’s box.
K. Long said he thinks Gardner could steal 100, score 65-70, and hit .270 from the 9-hole.
That is high praise from Long
“I don’t know how the guy has aged but I have to think Gardner’s sprinting ability is up there with the best.”
patrick-
al kidding aside, i don’t think the fastest baseball players can compete with world class sprinters.
i could be wrong , but i think olympic sprinting speed is another animal.
LGY, you know that old song The Lions sleep Tonight? Well, instead it’s the Trolls are out Tonight. This guy is awful – he’s a terrible troll.
choochoo
March 29th, 2010 at 9:14 pm
Betsy–just trying to encourage you to be a little productive. You’re not productive here, because you know nothing about baseball. I like to help others.
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Jesus….your thought processes and people skills are as screwed up as a soup sandwich.
choochoo,
awe is that your favorite toy..how cute.
why do people think joba is “throwing max effort”?
hes clearly not….we’ve seen him throw “max effort” and you can see the force he generates…that is not what hes doing now…lets see him when the season starts and it actually counts..
patrick, thank you for the compliment. Sometimes the written word doesn’t translate well.
choochoo
March 29th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
LGY–your point?
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That you are the dumbest poster on here, which is quite a feat considering some of the stuff that “whatever” has said in recent weeks.
“la la la I can’t hear you”
you’re getting smart in your old age
Once Johnson got planed out his strides are likely about 2 of Gardner’s. Gardner may win in a 40 but anything farther than that I really doubt it unless Johnson has really let himself go.
GReen Beret–did you really kill 17 Czech Rebels on the Sopranos?
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy
No tests planned for TEx
Double digits!
Betsy,
What are you doing in my apartment!
“i would think gardner might beat him on how fast they could both steal second or from first to third going around corners, but in a 100 meter race gardner would get smoked.”
The fastest home to first time every recorded I believe is still Mickey Mantle’s 3.1 seconds.
I think Ichiro home to first is around 3.7 seconds.
Let’s say Gardner is much faster than Ichiro but not quite Mantle at his best.
Let’s say Gardner has historically great baseball speed and is home to first in 3.3 seconds.
Let’s assume that Gardner could run flat out for 200 meters and not tire at all or lose any speed – that he could run his 200 meters at that same 3.3 second/90 feet rate.
This of course is a completely unrealistic expectation as over 200 meters everyone tires and needs to pace themselves. Also, home to first is a straight line – no curve.
With these completely unrealistic expectations Gardner could run 200 meters in 24.3 seconds.
In his prime Johnson ran the 200 meters in 19.8.
That’s how enormous the gulf is between baseball fast and world class fast.
Under more realistic assumptions Gardner would probably run the 200 in closer to 27 seconds.
42 or not if Johnson stays in shape and still semi-trains I wouldn’t feel real good about Brett’s chances on a track.
I think Thames is solidifying his spot on the roster.
LGY — I don’t think you’re that dumb. I just think you’re incredibly stupid, and know less than pregnant Betsy and barefooted Tricia
If Gardner trained for sprinting, he could probably crack some world competition teams. He isn’t going to be the A guy for the US in the olympics though.
His 100m time is a second slower than Johnson’s though.
“And once again, I’m not going to argue with you. It’s real simple, the unwritten rule of baseball is if you hit one of my guys, we hit one of yours. It’s just how it is. Intentions don’t even enter into the equation.”
patrick this is not totally true because there have been MANY occasions when Yankee hitters have gotten hit and nothing has happened and later the Yankee pitcher and/or Girardi will say they knew it wasn’t intentional. So they are classy and intelligent enough not to retaliate. I think you really have to look at the situation. They apparently do. And there have been times when Yankee pitchers have hit batters and nothing has happened in return. Not every hit batter is an automatic signal for retaliation. I know that you know that’s true.
Betsy,
Winfree is almost stating his case too to Girardi. He’s making it tough for Girardi to decide.
is also***
“I think Thames is solidifying his spot on the roster.”
I hope both Thames and Winn prove me wrong in the regular season…over and over and over again.
here’s the deal on retaliation.
if sj44 has some inside info that the yankees also have and know guthrie doesn’t care about going in when he knows he has no clue in there, then retaliation might be in order.
there’s another factor. didn’t palmer mention bruse kison working with guthrie on something at the beginning of the broadcast ? i just heard the tail end of it.
anyway, i loved bruce as a pitcher, but he’d hit someone if they blinked at him. if he’s instructing guthrie, guthrie hitting someone on purpose or being wild inside on purpose is not out of the question.
sitting in the bullpen , i once watched bruce drill a guy in the middle of a game out of the blue over a beef years earlier. bruce was a very tough no nonsense guy.
so should there be retaliation ?
maybe.
Guy was an interior decorator!
I think back in his early 20′s if Randy Moss had trained for the Olympics instead of football he would have done what Bolt is doing now.
Listen to that smart Tricia cite the unwritten rules of baseball. Stay tuned tomorrow for a seminar on the infield fly rule, the ground rules at Fenway Park, and why Brett Gardner will get outsmarted again this year by Joe Maurer.
Ed, I think Thames’ experience will win the day, but I’m sure Winfree at some point will get a call up.
Rich, I hope they prove you wrong again and again as well.
UPDATE, 9:24 p.m.: Speaking of power, Marcus Thames just hit his second home run of the spring and the Yankees have a 9-4 lead in the seventh. Joba Chamberlain got the final two outs of the sixth, but there’s no stadium radar gun here in Sarasota, so I have no idea how hard he was throwing.
UPDATE, 9:26 p.m.: Fair question from our pal Sweeny Murti: When’s the last time a catcher had a stolen base and an infield single in the same game? Francisco Cervelli has pulled it off tonight.
“patrick this is not totally true because there have been MANY occasions when Yankee hitters have gotten hit and nothing has happened and later the Yankee pitcher and/or Girardi will say they knew it wasn’t intentional. So they are classy and intelligent enough not to retaliate. I think you really have to look at the situation. They apparently do. And there have been times when Yankee pitchers have hit batters and nothing has happened in return. Not every hit batter is an automatic signal for retaliation. I know that you know that’s true.”
Are you serious?
Trying to read someone else’s mind is to embark on a slippery slope.
When a manager says there was no intent, it usually means the score was too close to retaliate this time, but we’ll look for a opportunity to get him back in the future.
Seriously, you can think whatever you want, but when you judge other people, you are out of line.
You guys are NUTS…gardner and moss would be elite track athletes? gardner would be avg at best track runner
you think he could even make an olympic team? absolutely not. i ran track in HS and college and ran the 100m in 10.31 and that was good for state champ in the state of NJ. Gardner probably runs around that or a little slower.. i also ran a 4.39 40 and randy moss ran a 4.2 but that doesnt mean randy moss can break 10 seconds in the 100
Actually I take it back, if you convert Gardner’s supposed college 60m time of 6.26 to 100m he is right around Johnson’s olympic time. It might be a more even matchup than people think
I’d like to see that race!
100 m: 10.09 <– johnsons time, fast!
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I understand Brett Gardner has lost 3.5 mph on is speed from 1st to 3rd.
Brian Cashman must be held accountable
Thats’ gotta be one of the best episodes. And directed by Steve Buscemi.
blake,
Michael Johnson was actually known as running upright with a short stride – very unorthodox running style.
I’ll say this, Gardner would win a 40 yard dash (in my opinion) but Johnson would probably win a longer race. This is keeping in mind that runners don’t get to full speed when only running 40 yards. Gardner’s age and fast acceleration would be working for him whereas in a longer race Johnson’s top speed would probably be faster than Gardner’s.
No offense, but it’s hardly a stretch to say Phil will be better than Mitre or Aceves, lol. This Yankee person is very likely not someone who is trusted with important duties.
Congrats to the Rays, the best team in ST….
“Michael Johnson was actually known as running upright with a short stride – very unorthodox running style.”
as compared to other Olympic level sprinters..not Brett Gardner.
Joba is a set-man?
Is that like being a made-man? Maybe the Mob is making him throw games.
The best episodes if you like packets of ketchup, relish, tic tacs, torn carpet for shoes, and Bobby Bacala playing the part of Elmer Fudd.
SJ I think your scouts got it wrong on Guthrie. From everything I’ve ever read he is the antithesis of a punk (I actually did think you meant pink and figured you were making a statement on his politics, duh) and extremely supportive of his teammates.
If you have information to the opposite I would certainly be interested in reading it. Otherwise I think you’ve got your pinks mixed up.
A ***young*** Bernie Williams was world cl@ss fast.
Yeah I’m going with Rich on this one.
If a pitch legitimately gets away from a pitcher then there is not much cause to retaliate. However, Guthrie was making a concerted effort to throw inside tonight and 2 of his mistakes hit our players. It’s fine if you pitch inside, but if you do that and screw up then you are held accountable. It was pretty obvious tonight that Guthrie wanted to throw inside and didn’t much care if he hit a guy (or 2 in this case). That’s plenty of reason for retaliation..
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If Moss was just fast and not good enough to play a real sport, he could have trained up in track and set all sorts of records. He’s naturally fast. Deion could have done the same thing. Darrell Green as well. They were all just too good at real sports to have to take the track route.
Betsy—do you have tomorrow’s lunches made? Get crackin.
We really did dodge a bullet…
The Bears used to have a player named Willie Gault who was considered to have Olympic-type speed….He was on the 1985 Super Bowl champs.
But is SJ44 irrational?
And what is the intent?
Trisha–are you really Joba’s mother? and are you posting here while you’re stuck at home with a bracelet on your ankle?
The Bears also had a Wide Receiver named Howard Hop-along Cassidy. He was black, but played a white guy on a TV Western.
“I’ll say this, Gardner would win a 40 yard dash (in my opinion) but Johnson would probably win a longer race.”
patrick-
you think gardner would beat a world champion sprinter out of the blocks ?
even when he’s told to steal, he sometimes just sits there on first frozen with uncertainty.
i think he’d pee his pants when the gun went off in a race with johnson.
and matt-
no fair actually knowing what you’re talking about because you experienced it first hand.
Robertson throws the hardest 91 MPH fastball I think I’ve ever seen.
Willie Gault was in the olympics. So was Ron Brown. So were Bullet Bob Hayes and Henry Carr.
“A ***young*** Bernie Williams was world cl@ss fast.”
you know who’s even faster?
an old gb7 with nurse karloff chasing him.
Interesting SJ because I hear the opposite about Guthrie and his teammates.
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SJ I think your scouts got it wrong on Guthrie. From everything I’ve ever read he is the antithesis of a punk (I actually did think you meant pink and figured you were making a statement on his politics, duh) and extremely supportive of his teammates.
If you have information to the opposite I would certainly be interested in reading it. Otherwise I think you’ve got your pinks mixed up.
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First you use “hear” to suggest you are “in the know,” then, later, when you need to distract attention from the number of people who have informed you that you do not know what you’re writing about concerning retaliation for hit batters, you repeat you’re challenge to SJ, but change “hear” to “read,” realizing someone may now call you out on you implications of inside knowledge.
You are not rational. You are calculating. And mentally ill.
I think Gardner should pitch and Joba should play left. Joba hits better than Gardner. I think Carmine Lupertazzi should pinch run, but not when he’s been eating egg salad.
randy,
I think Brett Gardner would beat a 42 year old world class sprinter out of the blocks, yes.
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I never understood the point of track
Last year I timed Gardner’s inside the parker. !3.3 seconds was my unscientific conclusion.
Is that fast? It sounds fast. It looked fast. And he didn’t lose his gum.
“you know who’s even faster?
an old gb7 with nurse karloff chasing him.”
In that situation should he run or lay down and play dead?
Use hear and read synonymously. Most people do. I don’t couch my terms. And I don’t pretend to know things I don’t. If it’s inside information I’d be the first to say it’s inside information.
Rish-===are you related to that famous wrestler Rakishi? He didn’t have a bone on him. that would have helped Tex
Patrick March 29th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
randy,
I think Brett Gardner would beat a 42 year old world class sprinter out of the blocks, yes.
I bet that 42 year old world class sprinter can hit better than Gardner.
Myrna Loy — with a Y — was a great and beautiful actress. Loved her in the ‘Thin Man’ movies opposite William Powell.
http://oilandrouge.files.wordp.....na-loy.jpg
Not sure about merna. Was that a calculated misspelling??
Just got home and catching up.
The Yankees were way to passive under Torre, Giradi has it under control. If any retaliation is in order (I doubt it), it will get done.
“And I don’t pretend to know things I don’t. ”
Yes, you do.
Trisha–do you know anything about curtains? Or perhaps making a crust for a cherry pie? Good idea–go do it.
Myrna Loy and William Powell were perfect together. Not just in the Thin Man movies but in an underrated gem called Libled Lady.
Actually no I don’t. And since there are others here tonight who also thought that the idea of retaliation was ridiculous, maybe you need to check your “knowledge”.
“Actually no I don’t. And since there are others here tonight who also thought that the idea of retaliation was ridiculous, maybe you need to check your “knowledge”.”
Because you say so? nfw
Just got home and took a scroll through the thread-
Yowzers!
“I think Brett Gardner would beat a 42 year old world class sprinter out of the blocks, yes.”
patrick-
i think you might be an agist
seriously, i don’t think a world class athlete is going to lose as much at 42 as you think.
this is the perfect blog argument though because it’ll be hard to prove.
Phil The Thrill
March 29th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
Willie Gault was in the olympics. So was Ron Brown. So were Bullet Bob Hayes and Henry Carr.
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The only Olympics that Gault was in was the Winter Olympics as a bob sledder. He was in the Boycott Olympics in 1980 and part of a World Record Setting 4X relay team in the Worlds Championships in ’83 and a Bronze Medal winnier in the 110 hurdles.
I think Gardner is capable of running a bit faster than a 24 second in the 200m. Even if he (or MJ) were capable of running a 3.0 to home plate, that would still only equate to a 22s time when added up (a time many HS runners attain).
Gardner is not going at full speed until he is probably 5 steps away from 1st base (if he even reaches his full speed). He is also running on packed sand, with clunky shoes, a baggy shirt, baggy pants, a few pound helmet, and his start is not clean, as he makes contact, drops his bat and moves to first.
Put him in track spikes (basically a sock with spikes), on the fastest all weather tracks in the world, give him a starting block and he is running probably 20-21 seconds, a very respectable time.
That’s the 4X 100 Meter Relay
Wipe your tears dear. It isn’t because I say so. It’s because I and others here say so. So just take it from the others here who say so. Maybe you’re the one who needs to check your knowledge.
All three Molina Bros. in a Steeplechase!
Who’s pitching for us?
Don’t mess with 42!
“Wipe your tears dear. It isn’t because I say so. It’s because I and others here say so. So just take it from the others here who say so. Maybe you’re the one who needs to check your knowledge.”
Get over yourself and stop judging people.
“It’s real simple, the unwritten rule of baseball is if you hit one of my guys, we hit one of yours.”
Jeter and Alex get hit a lot. How many Yankee pitchers retaliated? Not many.
royce ring
Is Passover the kind of holiday that you would call a relative and with them a happy Passover?
and WISH them — the question assumes you aren’t WITH them.
Nick in SF
March 29th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
Is Passover the kind of holiday that you would call a relative and with them a happy Passover?
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Well, I wouldn’t go out of my way to wish someone a Happy Passover. And I have never seen a Happy Passover card. But if I was on the phone with you, I would say Happy Passover
Tricia—Be honest. How broad is your backside? Have you “given up” and now only wear sweatpants? Do you have Twinkies hidden in the kitchen cabinets?
Brett Gardner vs. Michael Johnson….Now I’ve heard it all…..Michael Johnson, even at 42, is still one of the fastest humans on the planet…..Absurd to even consider
“Jeter and Alex get hit a lot. How many Yankee pitchers retaliated? Not many.”
Thank you.
Jon Heyman
sean rodriguez can really hit. nobody better than #rays this spring. 9 minutes ago
” bet that 42 year old world class sprinter can hit better than Gardner.”
probably can bunt better than him too
When the pitchers hit batters with intent, retaliation is in order, as long as you use the Bob Gibson Method. “You hit one of mine, and I’ll hit two of yours, and I throw harder.”
Choochoo
You are not funny. You add nothing to this blog, just go away.
Michael Johnson, even at 42, is still one of the fastest humans on the planet
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Well you don’t really know this, as he hasn’t been timed as a 42 year old.
Rocco–are you a hitman, a pizza maker or a golfer?
Maddon takes the preseason more seriously than most.
“Jeter and Alex get hit a lot. How many Yankee pitchers retaliated? Not many.”
Actually, Olney recently had a blog entry that the Yankees are hitting more batters since Girardi became the manager.
choochoo
Your name should be spelled chooch.
Stop picking on the ladies. Talk baseball with them or go somewhere else.
I’ve never seen a Happy Anything card except for Hanukkah.
Yom Kippur is the really solemn attonement one, right?
Rocco
March 29th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
Jon Heyman
sean rodriguez can really hit. nobody better than #rays this spring. 9 minutes ago
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That really means a lot…..to Jon Heyman.
Tarheel—do you know anything about Tobacco Road? 15-501? Is it true that all you guys are lazy because you get too much sun? Do y’all carry big guns?
“Get over yourself and stop judging people.”
YAWN!!!!!
Get it?
Nick in SF
March 29th, 2010 at 10:19 pm
I’ve never seen a Happy Anything card except for Hanukkah.
Yom Kippur is the really solemn attonement one, right?
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I think Happy Rosh Hashana cards may exist- that’s the New Year
But Yom Kippur is the very serious one. Even I attempt to fast in observance. And when I say fast, I mean I still drink coffee and stuff
Joba in the pen–Is chooch Italian for Jackass? Is Joba in the pen Nebraskan for Pig?
Jon Heyman
sean rodriguez can really hit. nobody better than #rays this spring. 9 minutes ago
except Cleveland has a better record than they do in ST
“Is Passover the kind of holiday that you would call a relative and with them a happy Passover?”
It depends. Is the relative Shomer Shabbat ?
“YAWN!!!!!
Get it?”
Yup, I totally get what you are. You think you are better than other people. It’s a classic example of overcompensation.
If you didn’t get on your high horse and judge so many people here, we wouldn’t be having this conversation, so obviously you don’t get it.
Thank you, Erica.
Next year at Yankee Stadium!
Ignore and it will pass…
Phil, Gault was in the Olympics? Cool…
Chad, can you please get rid of this moron?
Chad….. can you please spare us all, especially the ladies and remove choochoo from posting!!!
choochoo,
I am a hit man.
tar, the good news is that as soon as someone gets the energy, choochoo will be history.
John Heyman I didn’t realize that trophy’s were handed out for spring training.
Nick, yes, but I never fast because I can’t handle it physically. I guess that makes me a bad Jew, lol
Betsy—never forget the Bill of Rights. In fact, study it a little more than you have been and retire the baseball gig. It’s getting you nowhere.
LOL GB – I respect the Rays, but who cares about their record?
Is that O’Neill’s banner I hear calling?
Dude,
If you know anything about the Bill of Rights, you know it’s inapplicable.
JCPD read my mind.
Good work!
The nice thing is that they ban by ISP so choochoo will not be able to chacha back on.
trisha—do you think that batters should be charged with a time at bat when they hit a sacrifice fly? Explain to me why it should be scored differently from a batter who drives in a run on a ground-out.
I don’t know my Shomer Shabbat from my [NO JOKE HERE DUE TO SENSITIVE NATURE OF CONVERSATION] but I called my step-grandma anyway. She seemed to appreciate it and wished me a happy Passover back. Then she guilted me for RSVP’ing a No to my step-cousin’s Bat Mitzvah. So a lot was accomplished.
Never, ever thought I’d say this, but can we start the Joba Chamberlain conversation again?
This forums has not represented itaelf well this evening.
“trisha—do you think that batters should be charged with a time at bat when they hit a sacrifice fly? Explain to me why it should be scored differently from a batter who drives in a run on a ground-out.”
Please stop.
Rich–were you one of the Dudes in the Sopranos who used to hang out at the Bada Bing?
Ledger_Yankees And that’s it from here. Joba faced three hitters, got two out. Vazquez pushed his pitch count to around 100. Have a good night all. #nyy
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I didn’t realize he got his PC so hight…nice
It’s one idiot who will hopefully get banned
No, the Satin Dolls.
Now, chill.
Are you Rich Gossage? Did you want Joba in the pen? Did you know that Phil Leotardo was killed in Staten Island?
Betsy – Romine wasn’t built in a day
March 29th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Nick, yes, but I never fast because I can’t handle it physically. I guess that makes me a bad Jew, lol
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I am okay without the food. But I refuse to not have my coffee. I don’t sin very much. LOL
The Bill of Rights
You are embarrassing yourself. Just go away. It has got to be your bedtime soon anyway.
Bye choochoo. Bye. Hope you’re not hungry because they won’t be serving meals on your trip out of here.
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Let’s be clear on one thing. The Y..A..W..N I gave was for one person and one person only. You. So if you want to come up with generalizations about me, feel free to apply them in one direction only. Yours. Now you might want to go and bother someone else. Or don’t.
JUST GOT BACK FROM THE GAME:
After Tex and then Cervelli got hit on the left forearm Girardi left his seat, came out and was yelling something toward Oriole pitcher Jeremy Guthrie.
Interesting watching Chan Ho Park acting as protector of batted balls for A-Rod who was stretching before the game down the left field line with the Yanks trainer.
Winfrees HR was a BOMB to center!
A lot of Yanks fans at Ed Smith tonight. I think it was the largest of the year.
Joba was throwing pretty hard tonight.
Erica, me either, lol – sin, that is. I don’t even drink coffee (hate it); I drink water, cranberry juice and grapefruit juic. Oh, I can’t deal with not eating, so I don’t bother even trying to fast. My family understands, fortunately, lol.
This is one thing I liked about Pete A. He would have banned choochoo by now.
“After Tex and then Cervelli got hit on the left forearm Girardi left his seat, came out and was yelling something toward Oriole pitcher Jeremy Guthrie.”
Good to hear.
LGY—I never sleep. You’re never awake
Wonder which Oriole gets hit in the first game in the regular season with the Yanks?
Jim, thanks!
I don’t roll on Shabbos!
Girardi still has that player’s mentality; I’ve no doubt if he were still playing that he’d be the first to encourage a Yankee pitcher to retaliate.
Rich–What did Girardi say? Is Paulie Walnuts going to get him? How do you acquire all this valuable inside information?
Pete was ban-happy.
There is NOTHING to like about that.
We don’t live in China.
Betsy – Romine wasn’t built in a day
March 29th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Nick, yes, but I never fast because I can’t handle it physically. I guess that makes me a bad Jew, lol
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One of those mysterious things to ponder. Why do they call it fasting when it goes so slow?
Everything you need to know about Shomer Shabbat can be gained by watching The Big Lebowski.
Warning:This clip contains bad words.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmULYr1nsZ0
What did I miss?
I hope it’s nothing big for Tex.
It does take a lot to get Girardi mad, but doesn’t he realize it’s Guthrie? I mean a heroine addict has more control than Guthrie.
Hopefully, all are safe. But one good thing can come from this. The Yankees will follow Girardi’s lead and play mad. The Orioles are upstarts that will be making noise in the league soon. It’s important that the Yankees not take them lightly.
Jim, thanks for the scouting report!
Trisha–I think your really yawning because you’ve overdosed tonight on a whole one pound bag of chips, onion dip, hershey kisses and then a creamsicle for dessert.
Joba in the pen, I think the hosts will be good about that if we email them and refer them to posts. Chad is probably in the clubhouse now so probably hasn’t seen choochoo’s spate of offensive posts. If he gets to read the stuff and sees everyone asking to disappear choochoo I’m sure he’ll do it.
I remember Pete saying that he didn’t always get to read every post in every thread. That’s the reason that with stuff like this, unless you know the host is around, it’s probably a good idea to email him.
trisha–I think you should make it your personal business to do something about this terrible choochoo character. He’s going to give you indigestion and you’ll end up going to Wal-Mart tomorrow for a bigger pair of sweatpants.
Joba Slays Dragons
Are you choochoo posting under another name?
GB, lol. Why does a car drive on a parkway and park on a driveway?
“Pete was ban-happy.
There is NOTHING to like about that.
We don’t live in China.”
On the other hand there are TOS that go along with posting on this forum. Since Lohud is the owner of the press, they have the right to set their own terms as long as those terms are not illegal. If people want to post here, they live by the terms. Nobody is forcing anyone to post here. It’s a privilege, not a right.
Just about everything that choochoo has posted here tonight has violated the TOS.
I don’t think our guys will overdo it with bans. I trust however they will be vigilant about keeping bona fide violators at bay.
JMO
Joba in the pen—-are you starring in next week’s CSI Miami?
“It does take a lot to get Girardi mad, but doesn’t he realize it’s Guthrie? I mean a heroine addict has more control than Guthrie.”
1) Girardi is likely aware who was pitching.
2) A teammate getting plunked might help Guthrie be more careful when he’s pitching to the Yankees.
They’re going to keep me in a bay? Like Alcatraz? Oh, no.
Trisha–do they make you buy two tickets when you go to the ballpark? do you have to sit in the bleachers?
“Bananas are good for leg cramps? ”
Potassium.
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cramps are brought on by dehydration. Potassium is key, plus lots of fluids. Bananas are a good source of potassium , as is gatorade. The water your body needs as fuel is put in body the days before game. Once you get cramps you cannot play catch up. Salt also can help prevent cramps. For years salt tablets were given out.[ No one ever cramped up back then]. Staying away from Caffienated drinks also is key. Coffee & Soda will dehydrate your body. Alcohol also dehydrates the body as well all know. Athletes need to take care of their bodies, but I am sure that is hard with the 160 game schedule & the partying that goes on on the road.