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The Yankees are over in Lake Buena Vista this afternoon and much of my morning will be spent driving. There won’t be any notes or anything on the blog until closer to noon.

CC Sabathia has the start on the road against the Braves. Sergio Mitre is starting tonight’s  7:05 game at home against the Blue Jays. I’ll have lineups when I get to Braves camp.

Until then, Brett Gardner wasn’t the fastest man in the Yankees clubhouse yesterday. Four-time Olympic gold medalist Michael Johnson came to George M. Steinbrenner Field to talk to the team about what it takes to repeat as champions. “They have to have a new goal,” Johnson said. “It’s not enough to just say, hey let’s be world champions. You’ve done that before.”

The bad news on Monday was that Alfredo Aceves is having more trouble with his back and will skip today’s scheduled relief appearance. The good news is that Mark Teixeira has only a bruise after being hit by a pitch in the elbow. The notebook also has items on a good day for home runs, pending decisions in the bullpen and in center field, and a unique one-day addition to the Yankees bullpen.

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  1. Patrick March 30th, 2010 at 8:36 am

    That’s pretty troubling about Ace’s back, I hope he gets better soon. He was a really important pitcher for the Yankees last year and he could be very useful for us this year.

  2. Erin March 30th, 2010 at 8:37 am

    Very glad that Tex escaped with only a bruise. :)

    Hopefully Aceves feels better soon.

  3. pat March 30th, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Robbie playing Atlanta so he can see his BFF again. :smile:

  4. MTU (aka GBURL) March 30th, 2010 at 8:45 am

    The good news is better than the bad news, and the bad news isn’t as bad as it could be.

    That’s an optimist’s POV. :)

  5. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter March 30th, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Doreen-

    I would help you with GTLU but I don’t think I’ll be home until late afternoon and the line up should be up by 5.

    I didn’t usually do GTLU on weekends (only in postseason and I was literally planning my weekends around it). But I totally understand why you want to have GTLU in the spirit of opening day

  6. RichinNYC March 30th, 2010 at 8:50 am

    To me the Aceves issue is the chronic nature. Going back to last year. Hopefully it can be treated and he will not miss much time.

    Obviously the Yanks have options with Logan, Ring and Melancon.

  7. Frank March 30th, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Never noticed this about Aceves, but in looking at his splits, I was surprised to see:

    Home – 50 1/3 innings over 26 games. 9 ER allowed (1.61 ERA), hitters had a paltry .509 OPS against him

    Road – 33 2/3 over 17 games. 24 ER allowed (6.42 ERA) and hitters went for a .785 OPS against.

    It never, at any point in time last season, occur to me that such a disparity between home and road existed. Relatively small samples, but that’s usually all you get out relievers. Something to watch in 2010.

  8. MTU (aka GBURL) March 30th, 2010 at 8:52 am

    The Yankees have been very fortunate this Spring with very few injuries.

    And that’s a good thing.

    May it carry over into the regular season.

  9. NYYROC March 30th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    With ST winding down I’m wondering how Joe will set up the first few series in regards to the rotation. Hughes pitches Wed. Maybe the team leaves him in Tampa while they go to Boston so Hughes can start a minor league game on Monday. That keeps him on track to pitch the Sat 4/10 game vs Tampa, something Joe alluded to as a possibility.
    Can’t wait for the season to start! If the team stays healthy I don’t think anyone can stop them from having the best record in the AL. Saw Aaron Boone on ESPN yesterday and he said Tampa is the most talented team in the league. Not sure what he’s watching.

  10. MTU (aka GBURL) March 30th, 2010 at 8:55 am

    Our “Treasure Of Sierra Madre” :

    Aceves
    Pena
    Banuelos
    Vasquez

    :)

  11. Chip March 30th, 2010 at 8:55 am

    MLB Trade Rumors has two articles on finding work for Jarrod Washburn and Jermaine Dye. With that in mind here are my suggestions for some out of work players and where they should land.

    Washburn – New York Mets. The Mets don’t (or won’t) spend much money but they should make Washburn an offer and he should take it. Washburn would easily slot in as the second or third best pitcher on that staff (they can move John Maine to the pen where he might not get hurt). In that park Washburn might pitch to an ERA in the mid 2 range and then he can hit the market again next season.

    Dye – Boston Red Sox. The Sox already have a lot of money on their bench right now, but it sounds as if the Sox may still be able to move Mike Lowell. Dye would provide insurance for the inevitable JD Drew injury or if David Ortiz doesn’t bounce back. Gary Sheffield would also be a good fit here.

    Elijah Dukes – Dodgers. Dukes is different than the other guys since he’s obviously not an established veteran. But given the impending free agency of Man-Ram it’s a low cost move for the Dodgers – bring in Dukes, see if he can perform and behave and if he can’t dump him.

    John Smoltz – Twins. We know Smoltz can’t start in the AL but I’m certain he can close anywhere. With Nathan done for the year I think that for the Twins to win the central they need an established closer. We saw what happened to the Rays last year when they tried to go closer by committee after Percival went down.

    Braden Looper – Cubs. Looper knows the NL Central and the Cubs need another starter with the injury to Lilly. Also there’s no chance that Carlos Silva doesn’t implode.

    Joe Crede – Texas Rangers. They keep sniffing around Mike Lowell, but instead of trading for Lowell why not just sign Crede to a low money deal instead?

    I wouldn’t mind terribly seeing the Yankees bring in Wily Mo Pena and Daniel Cabrera with minor league deals and seeing if they can provide anything at the AAA level and maybe catch lightning in a bottle with call-ups.

  12. Doreen - 2010 GTLU March 30th, 2010 at 8:56 am

    Erica -

    Thanks for the offer. I wonder how many are actually going to be here during the day anyway, since it’s (a) a Sunday and (b) Easter Sunday on top of that.

    My thought is to take lineups on Saturday. That way as soon as I get home on Sunday all I have to do is enter Girardi’s lineup and post the winner(s). I expect a lot of winners on Sunday! :lol:

    MTU -

    I like your outlook.

    Time to go get squooshed.

  13. Chip March 30th, 2010 at 8:58 am

    Patrick
    March 30th, 2010 at 8:36 am
    That’s pretty troubling about Ace’s back, I hope he gets better soon. He was a really important pitcher for the Yankees last year and he could be very useful for us this year.
    ———————-

    Patrick –

    I agree that Ace came up huge for the Yankees last year, I’m just not sure what his role is with this team.

    Late in games the Yankees have: Joba, Park, Marte, Robertson to get to Mo. Spot starts they’ve got Mitre. So Ace is there to what? Come in for the rare start that doesn’t go more than 4 innings?

    Don’t get me wrong, I like the guy – I just don’t see that he’s as important with this club as some make him out to be.

  14. MTU (aka GBURL) March 30th, 2010 at 8:59 am

    Doreen-

    Thanks. I always like yours too.

    People don’t like my posts when I go into “heresy mode” though.

  15. 86w183 March 30th, 2010 at 9:00 am

    Looks like there’s a good chance Aceves begins the year on the DL, goes through some extended spring training.

    I don’t think there’s any chance Melancon or Ring makes the 25. Logan is the potential gate crasher.

    On an unrelated topic am I the only one who wishes Goose Gossage would just shut up?

    I am so tired of his whining about how tough he had it and how he’s a real relief pitcher and how he grew up in a log cabin and not only had to pitch two-plus innings but also had to drag the infield in the fifth inning, teach “YMCA” to the grounds crew and audition Ronan Tynan…. enough!

  16. vinny-b (Granderson is my fave NYY position player - no rite of passage necessary) March 30th, 2010 at 9:08 am

    unbelievable that John Maine is the Mets #2 pitcher. And the organization expects fans to take this team seriously? Yeah, righhht

    Washburn is a no-brainer for the Mets to sign. To tell the truth, he would have been my choice over Joel Pinereo. But of course the Mets wanted Pinereo, who is the lesser pitcher

  17. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 30th, 2010 at 9:08 am

    Phil actually pitched Friday on short rest, so I believe he goes tomorrow.

  18. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 30th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    LOL Sherman may have been right on a few things this year, but he’s still a jerk. In his blog column today, he states that Jeter, Mo, Po and Andy should have walked out on Michael Johnson because it’s presumptuous of Johnson to talk to them about winning. Yeah, that would not have been completely disrespectful.

  19. Chip March 30th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    And – just for fun – a list of the 15 players I think are most likely to be traded this season (in no particular order):

    Jason Marquis
    Dan Uggla
    Octavio Dotel
    Cliff Lee
    Adam Dunn
    Josh Hamilton
    Kevin Millwood
    Lyle Overbay
    Nate McLouth
    Manny Ramirez
    Jeff Neimann
    Fausto Carmona
    Kerry Wood
    David DeJesus
    Joba Chamberlain ;-)

  20. Frank March 30th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    “Don’t get me wrong, I like the guy – I just don’t see that he’s as important with this club as some make him out to be.”

    I think he probably was last year, especially in the 1st half. 10 wins? That’s 10 times he came into a game tied or with the Yankees trailing and was able to keep the other team at bay while the hitters took care of their business. Also came into save situations 7 times, recording 1 save, 5 holds and only 1 blown save.

    Don’t know what to expect of him this year. Teams to some degree may have a book on him now, where last year he was unfamiliar to most hitters, but his contribution to the ’09 team can’t minimized. He was outstanding.

  21. Chip March 30th, 2010 at 9:13 am

    On an unrelated topic am I the only one who wishes Goose Gossage would just shut up?

    No you’re not. He got so used to explaining why he should be in the hall of fame that he doesn’t realize he can stop now.

  22. Frank March 30th, 2010 at 9:17 am

    While I agree 100% with Gossage’s point, making it once should be enough.

  23. Chip March 30th, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Just a thought on a rainy morning:

    Reds get: Joba, Corona, Golson

    Yankees get: Jay Bruce, Homer Bailey

    Why: I’ve only seen Bruce play a couple of games but he seems to have a swing that is built for Yankee Stadium. Bailey’s out of options but hasn’t really shown enough to be a starter for the Reds to this point. Joba would go right into his spot in the rotation while Bailey could assume Joba’s spot in the bullpen for the Yankees.

    I wouldn’t do this if I thought the Yankees still think Joba will be a starter for them, but if he’s going to be the 8th inning guy until Mo retires, then I think Bruce is a good value pick up for him.

  24. Frank March 30th, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Jason Marquis
    Dan Uggla
    Octavio Dotel
    Cliff Lee
    Adam Dunn
    Josh Hamilton
    Kevin Millwood
    Lyle Overbay
    Nate McLouth
    Manny Ramirez
    Jeff Neimann
    Fausto Carmona
    Kerry Wood
    David DeJesus
    Joba Chamberlain

    Chip:

    I’d drop Joba and add Heath Bell. Melky maybe should be on that list somewhere. Probably in Lee’s place as I think the M’s will be competitive and will be content to take the 2 draft picks rather than whatever a team may be willing to part with to rent Lee for 2-3 months. Also Ted Lilly for Neimann (Rays control him for another 4 years) and Derek Lee replacing Dunn, who Washington is seeking to extend from what I’ve read.

  25. Fran (the original) and OPPC member March 30th, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Betsy,

    Maybe they were hanging around when Michael Johnson showed up because they were trying to find out who won “Celebrity Apprentice.”

  26. Frank March 30th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    “Reds get: Joba, Corona, Golson

    Yankees get: Jay Bruce, Homer Bailey”

    Reds wouldn’t do it.

  27. pat March 30th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    From Bryan Hoch-

    “….as the center fielder prepares for his first Opening Night with the Yankees, coinciding with his immersion into the storied rivalry between the Bombers and the BoSox, Granderson recently pulled a couple of trusted teammates aside for a most important question — will it be safe to chow down?

    “Hey, do you guys go get stuff to eat? Is it crazy like that? Are people messing with your food?” Granderson asked Derek Jeter and CC Sabathia.

    Between laughs, Jeter and Sabathia told Granderson that he didn’t have anything to worry about.”

  28. Chip March 30th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    Frank –

    I think teams will be wary of Heath Bell after what happened with Scott Linebrink after he left Petco.

    I can’t see a team taking on D-Lee with his injury woes and I think the Cubs will be in the race which is why I don’t see Lilly going anywhere either.

    You’re probably right on Dunn and Lee, I just thought they would be interesting names for the list.

  29. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 30th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    LOL Why would Granderson think people would mess with his food? Boy, he must have had some impression of NY when came to town with the Tigers.

  30. tk March 30th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    Frank,

    Interesting points on Aceves. I agree that he was a vital cog in the bullpen last year, but it’s hard to predict his performance going into this year. I think the condition with his back has to be a serious concern and will be reflected in his usage this year. Perusing his BR page, I see that he made 7 appearances with 0 days rest, 4 with 1 day of rest, and 14 w/ 2 days rest (not inclusive). I have to think the 0-1 days rest appearances will be a rarity this year. It looks like 30 of his 43 appearances were for multiple innings, it seems like multiple inning appearances with at least 2 days of rest in between would be ideal.

    Regarding the home/away splits…I hadn’t noticed that either, but looking at the game log it appears to be driven by three consecutives appearances from August 16-22. Ace allowed 9ER over 6IP @ SEA, OAK, BOS. Considering he only allowed 33ER in 84IP for the season that stretch was very influential, it actually ballooned his overall ERA from 3.14 to 4.12. He did finish strong though and get it back to 3.54 to end the season, so that may bode well for 2010.

  31. Frank March 30th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    “I can’t see a team taking on D-Lee with his injury woes and I think the Cubs will be in the race which is why I don’t see Lilly going anywhere either.”

    Lilly and Lee are on the last year of their respective contracts, which is why I see them as movable. I couldn’t disagree more with your suggestion that they’ll compete. That’s a 82 win team if the sun is shining on them right. They won 83 last year and did zip to improve themselves.

  32. Erin March 30th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    pat, that’s hilarious. Poor Granderson. lol

  33. pat March 30th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Betsy

    Sherman may think he knows it all and has nothing left to learn but intelligent people understand you don’t stop learning until you stop living.

  34. MTU (aka GBURL) March 30th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    Since were talkin’ fantasy trades I’m into fleecing the Twins.

    The Twins need a closer type bad.

    JC + ? ? ?

    for

    Denard Span and Kevin Slowey.

  35. pat March 30th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    Betsy

    He was asking if people in Boston would mess with his food because he was a Yankee now.

  36. Chip March 30th, 2010 at 9:39 am

    Frank – sadly I think 85 wins will put the Cubs right in the heat of the NL Central battle.

    St. Louis and Milwaukee have major pitching issues.

  37. Frank March 30th, 2010 at 9:40 am

    tk:

    Yeah, I checked out the gamelogs too and it was the 2nd half where he started having road problems. After 6/30, he appeared in 9 road games and he allowed runs in 8 of those. He allowed 2 or more in 7 of them.

  38. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 30th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Pat, oh – lol. Just to be safe, they should have Gardner taste his food…

  39. Frank March 30th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    “St. Louis and Milwaukee have major pitching issues.”

    Cards have two ace-level starters and their 3-4-5 are passable. They’ll be fine. Brewers are probably in trouble after Gallardo. I think the Reds may surprise some folks and finish in 2nd, but I think the Cards win the division by at least a touchdown.

  40. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Chip
    March 30th, 2010 at 9:23 am
    Just a thought on a rainy morning:

    Reds get: Joba, Corona, Golson

    Yankees get: Jay Bruce, Homer Bailey

    Why: I’ve only seen Bruce play a couple of games but he seems to have a swing that is built for Yankee Stadium. Bailey’s out of options but hasn’t really shown enough to be a starter for the Reds to this point. Joba would go right into his spot in the rotation while Bailey could assume Joba’s spot in the bullpen for the Yankees.

    I wouldn’t do this if I thought the Yankees still think Joba will be a starter for them, but if he’s going to be the 8th inning guy until Mo retires, then I think Bruce is a good value pick up for him.

    ————————————————————

    Here’s an idea. Let’s trade you and your thoughts for two dead carp to anybody.

  41. Frank March 30th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    MTU:

    Doubt the Twins would move Span, but in the scenario you speak of, I’d guess maybe the Twins would seek Kevin Russo as bats at 2B and 3B have long been an issues for them.

  42. MTU (aka GBURL) March 30th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    GB-

    ” Let’s trade you and your thoughts for two dead carp to anybody.”

    Hey. Do you think the Hiroshima Carp would do that ?

    Trade 2 dead players for Chip and then try to flip him for somebody else. :)

  43. MTU (aka GBURL) March 30th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Frank-

    I’ll go one better.

    JC + Russo + GGBG for Span, Slowey + ?

  44. Chip March 30th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Cards have two ace-level starters and their 3-4-5 are passable. They’ll be fine. Brewers are probably in trouble after Gallardo. I think the Reds may surprise some folks and finish in 2nd, but I think the Cards win the division by at least a touchdown.

    That’s if Chris Carpenter is able to stay healthy. Kyle Lohse was terrible last year and only threw 117 innings, Penny was good late with the Giants, but who knows what he’s going to do, and I’m not entirely sure who their fifth starter is. Also Ryan Franklin’s year was way off from his career norms – I don’t see him repeating that.

    I think they’ll probably win the Central, but they won’t put up a 90+ win season or run away with the division.

  45. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    MTU (aka GBURL)
    March 30th, 2010 at 9:37 am
    Since were talkin’ fantasy trades I’m into fleecing the Twins.

    The Twins need a closer type bad.

    JC + ? ? ?

    for

    Denard Span and Kevin Slowey.

    ————————————————————

    My God. I’m sorry to see that you’ve been infected by the silly trade virus.

  46. blake March 30th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    Chip,
    I’m thinking the Reds would laugh really hard and hang up at that trade proposal.

  47. Chip March 30th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    GreenBeret – Why so bitter? You get the fat nurse and the cold water for your sponge bath at the old folks home this morning?

  48. MTU (aka GBURL) March 30th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    GB-

    I Know. It was just fantasy trade time. that’s all. :)

  49. Chip March 30th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Blake -

    Possibly.

    I would be willing to see the Yankees include one of their catching prospects to get Bruce in pinstripes.

  50. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    MTU (aka GBURL)
    March 30th, 2010 at 9:50 am
    GB-

    ” Let’s trade you and your thoughts for two dead carp to anybody.”

    Hey. Do you think the Hiroshima Carp would do that ?

    Trade 2 dead players for Chip and then try to flip him for somebody else.

    ————————————————————

    I think that two dead, rotting fish is the best we’d get.

  51. Derek Leader March 30th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    Chip… The Cards #2 starter is Wainwright. He had 19 wins last year and was 3rd in the Cy Young voting. He’s nasty.

    Carpenter should be fine. Had quite a season last year.

  52. MTU (aka GBURL) March 30th, 2010 at 9:57 am

    “Carpenter should be fine.”

    Carpenter is a great pitcher when healthy but his arm has had more repairs than a leaky roof. ;)

  53. blake March 30th, 2010 at 9:57 am

    Chip,
    It would probably take Montero and the yanks aren’t doing that. Bruce has huge upside, the Reds aren’t reading him without a big return.

  54. pat March 30th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    Ace’s back could make this a non-issue at least in the short run but…

    If the Yankees choose to go forward with a bullpen of Rivera, Chamberlain, Aceves, Marte, Park, Robertson and Logan who might be in the market for Mitre and what could he return from that team?

  55. Derek Leader March 30th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    actually i can see why Carpenter may be a question mark.

  56. Chip March 30th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    Hmmmm…I’m thinking fat old nurse, cold water, and nic fit for GreenBeret this morning.

    Poor old guy – I feel bad for him so I’m just going to let him go on with his rantings. I mean it’s what, a year, two at the most before all he can do is drool right?

    So sad…so very very sad.

  57. rodg12 March 30th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    St. Louis has major pitching issues???

    LMAO!!

  58. Frank March 30th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    “who might be in the market for Mitre and what could he return from that team?”

    Probably a half dozen teams or so where Mitre could fit as a #5 starter. The return? Pretty minimal. Just some organizational depth.

  59. Chip March 30th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    Blake,

    You may be right – which is another indictment of how far Joba has fallen. Two years ago a Joba for Bruce deal would have been a fair swap for both teams.

    Derek,

    Yeah Carpenter had a great year last year but the two before that he threw a total of 25 innings. I just need to see him stay healthy before I’ll trust him to be healthy.

    And if he’s not there I just don’t see the Cards having much behind Wainwright in that rotation. Sure, they could ink another reclamation project (Smoltz, Pedro, Looper) but I don’t see any of those guys helping them run away with the division.

  60. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    Why would somebody want to trade for a player that hasn’t shown that he’s any more than a .240 ML hitter, strikes out a ton, doesn’t get on base and can’t stay healthy or trade a pitcher that’s had success for a pitcher that hasn’t done anything but fail and get hurt?

    That makes as much sense as signing wily Mo Pena and Daniel Cabrera.

  61. I like Inge March 30th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    Trading Chamberlain… too funny. Trading your best bullpen arm, besides Rivera, and one of the dominant set-up men in the legaue. Why would you even think about that when he will make the bullpen a major strength for the team?

  62. Chip March 30th, 2010 at 10:05 am

    rodg12
    March 30th, 2010 at 10:03 am
    St. Louis has major pitching issues???
    LMAO!!
    ——————

    Hmmm…not really a compelling argument.

  63. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Judging by some of the trade suggestions, the Yanks should be able to get Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier and cash for Mitre.

  64. Chip March 30th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    GreenBeret7
    March 30th, 2010 at 10:04 am
    Why would somebody want to trade for a player that hasn’t shown that he’s any more than a .240 ML hitter, strikes out a ton, doesn’t get on base and can’t stay healthy or trade a pitcher that’s had success for a pitcher that hasn’t done anything but fail and get hurt?
    That makes as much sense as signing wily Mo Pena and Daniel Cabrera.
    ———————-

    I’m going to make this quick since I know you don’t have much time left:

    1. Does signing Daniel Cabrera and Wily Mo Pena to minor league contracts make any less sense than signing Brett Tomko and John Rodriguez to minor league contracts did last year?

    2. As for trading Joba – he’s not a starter, not a closer, not going to be a starter and not going to be a closer – therefor he’s someone you consider trading.

    Exactly what sort of sustained success has Joba enjoyed that makes you think he’s some superstar in the making? Oh, and let’s not leave out that Joba had a history of arm problems in college and has already missed time with a shoulder injury in his career.

  65. stuckey (knock, knock, knocking on heaven's door] March 30th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    “In MY day, we proposed crappy trades for where we traded our All-Stars for career minor leaguers … and we LIKED IT!”

  66. MTU (aka GBURL) March 30th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    GB-

    “Judging by some of the trade suggestions, the Yanks should be able to get Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier and cash for Mitre.”

    If it would help things I would reluctantly throw in Igawa.

    However, I would be willing to settle for a year’s supply of Dos Equis Dark, and a player to be named later. :)

  67. stuckey (knock, knock, knocking on heaven's door] March 30th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    “2. As for trading Joba – he’s not a starter, not a closer, not going to be a starter and not going to be a closer – therefor he’s someone you consider trading.

    Exactly what sort of sustained success has Joba enjoyed that makes you think he’s some superstar in the making? Oh, and let’s not leave out that Joba had a history of arm problems in college and has already missed time with a shoulder injury in his career.”

    LOL… so the Red’s are trading Jay Bruce for that??

  68. I like Inge March 30th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Chamberlain is the set-up man. That’s one of the most important guys on the team.

    No need to overthink this. Next week when Chamberlain’s killing it in the 8th, nobody is going to be thinking about trading him because he will be helping the team rack up wins.

  69. MTU (aka GBURL) March 30th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Stuckey-

    ““In MY day, we proposed crappy trades for where we traded our All-Stars for career minor leaguers … and we LIKED IT!”

    Just like taking castor oil when you were a kid.

    And by the way, FWIW I like your new handle. Big Dylan fan. :)

  70. Chris Nightingale March 30th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    I like Inge…

    This team is full of set up men.

  71. Patrick March 30th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    The set up man is NOT one of the most important guys on the team. That’s absurd. And what evidence is there to suggest that Joba will be dominant in that role. He certainly wasn’t at the end of 2009.

  72. I like Inge March 30th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    Not like Chamberlain.

  73. Chip March 30th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Stucky -

    It’s what makes a trade like that a risk for both teams. You have two kids with high impact potential who have shown flashes but haven’t broken through.

    The Yankees have no spot in the rotation for Joba; but the Reds do – for the Yankees Joba is at best an 8th inning guy for the next 3 or 4 years; for the Reds he’s a potential starter to join Chapman, Volquez (if he ever gets healthy) and Cueto.

    And the Yankees are taking a chance that Jay Bruce will be a fixture in their outfield along side Curtis Granderson for the next 5 years.

    The best trades are the ones where each team takes a risk – you can’t just go out and count on getting Javy Vazquez for Melky Cabrera all the time.

  74. tex's friend March 30th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Judging by some of the trade suggestions, the Yanks should be able to get Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier and cash for Mitre.

    _______

    It would have to be a lot of cash. Mitre is realllllllll good.

  75. Patrick March 30th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Lets trade Joba for Milton Bradley

  76. Erin March 30th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    YankeesWFAN RT @JimmyTraina: Roy Halladay on cover of SI’s MLB preview issue & the mag picked Phils to beat TB in WS. 2 minutes ago

  77. Chip March 30th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Inge -

    Yankees won the world series without Joba pitching in the 8th last year – they can do it again this year.

  78. Chip March 30th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    They also won the World Series in 98, 99, 00 without Joba setting up Rivera – Jeff Nelson and Mike Stanton were good but are they all that much better than the combo of Chan Ho Park and David Robertson and Damaso Marte would be?

    Doubt it.

  79. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 30th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Joba is not the set-up man until he’s named same; he has to prove he can do better than Robertson, Marte, et..

  80. Chris Nightingale March 30th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    When Joba got knocked around in the Angels series and gave up a ball to Feliz that hasnt landed yet, that screams dominant set up man.

  81. Chip March 30th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Patrick,

    That seems silly, but if you can back it up I’ll do you the respect of acknowledging your point of view – seems to be a rare trait around here.

  82. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 30th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    LOL Yep, the Yankees definitely got worse this off-season. The Rays are not as good as the Yankees, even though I expect them to be very good. I assume SI, rag that it is, just wanted to get cute again. That’s one issue I won’t be reading – then again, I never read SI anymore anyway.

  83. I like Inge March 30th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Chip,
    Yes you right are because Phil Hughes was doing that job. He was the major factor in the season turning around dominating the 8th inning. The set-up is so important to any team. Look at the Mets right now, scrambling trying to determine who the 8th inning guy will be.

    Chamberlain is an asset to this team and will be a major contributor in the pen.

  84. MTU (aka GBURL) March 30th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Betsy-

    “Joba is not the set-up man until he’s named same; he has to prove he can do better than Robertson, Marte, et..”

    Two titles which seem to match Joba’s situation right now.

    “Fallen”

    “The sailor who fell from grace with the Sea”

    But I hope he turns back into

    “The Punisher”. ;)

  85. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    Chip needs to go to DisneyLand to make these trades…FantasyLand would be appropriate.

  86. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 30th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    We should have known something was up when Heyman blathered about the Rays winning 17 games in ST….and this was after he said the Yankees were the best team in baseball a few weeks ago.

  87. Patrick March 30th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    Chip,

    Joba for Bradley makes as much sense as most of the other trade ideas presented in this thread.

    (it was a joke…)

  88. Chip March 30th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    Chris Nightingale
    March 30th, 2010 at 10:20 am
    When Joba got knocked around in the Angels series and gave up a ball to Feliz that hasnt landed yet, that screams dominant set up man.
    —————
    Agreed – the fact is that Joba set the bar very high in 2007 – what in the world makes any reasonable person think he’s ever going to be able to match those numbers again?

  89. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 30th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    MTU, Phil had to prove himself in the pen last year before he was put in a position of trust; it should be no different with Joba. It has nothing to do with the idea that he’s fallen……

  90. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 30th, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Well, the Yanks ARE near Disney World today, lol.

  91. Chris Nightingale March 30th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    I like Inge…The Mets are scrambling to name a #2 starter. If Joba was their 8th inning guy, that would mean instead of 68 wins, they might have 70.

  92. Patrick March 30th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    No Inge. The major factor for the team turning around was A-rod’s return.

    Betsy,

    Don’t read into those predictions so much. They don’t want to choose the Yankees because that’s the easy pick. They are picking the Rays because if TB actually makes it, they’ll look smart.

    Honestly, if they say “Yanks Phillies, Yanks win” that’s just a boring article because it’s the most likely situation.

  93. MTU (aka GBURL) March 30th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Betsy-

    “It has nothing to do with the idea that he’s fallen……”

    I’m not so sure about that Betsy.

  94. stuckey [knock, knock, knocking on heaven's door] March 30th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Chip, Jay Bruce has 44 career ML homeruns in 700-something ABs and turns 23 next week.

    He isn’t going anywhere for anything other than a sure thing. He’s still a top prospect. Don’t let the unimpressive batting average as a 21 and 22 year old convince you otherwise.

  95. Patrick March 30th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    No, if the Mets had Joba he’d be their #2 starter.

  96. I'm so cool March 30th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    At least Chip generates something interesting in the comment section. It’s better than the people who just attack him and then go talk about going hiking or planning a birthday or some other thing incredibly irrelevant to everyone else.

    Chip at least generates something that everyone can get involved in.

  97. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Betsy -Romine wasn’t built in a day
    March 30th, 2010 at 10:25 am
    Well, the Yanks ARE near Disney World today, lol.

    ————————————————————

    You’re just a little troublemaker, Betsy.

  98. I like Inge March 30th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Chris,

    That’s not the point. The point is that the Mets have no idea who will have that role, which is critical to any team having a good year. The Yankees have choices for the 8th of which Chamberlain is the best because he is better than Park, Robertson, Marte.

  99. Derek Leader March 30th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Did the Mets even try for Gaudin? He would’ve been a cheap 5th starter for them.

  100. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    I’m so cool
    March 30th, 2010 at 10:28 am
    At least Chip generates something interesting in the comment section. It’s better than the people who just attack him and then go talk about going hiking or planning a birthday or some other thing incredibly irrelevant to everyone else.

    Chip at least generates something that everyone can get involved in.

    ————————————————————

    Yeah, but, nobody likes to laugh until the get sick.

  101. rodg12 March 30th, 2010 at 10:30 am

    “Joba is at best an 8th inning guy for the next 3 or 4 years”

    At best he’s an 8th inning guy for 3 or 4 years? What? If this were indeed true, his trade value is almost nil. So, you can’t on one hand say this and on the other say we’re going to trade him for Jay Bruce. It just doesn’t add up Chip.

  102. yanksince57 - JESUS H MONTERO! March 30th, 2010 at 10:30 am

    just finished catching up on the feuds i mean posts last night :) and i noticed that henry carr was referenced. during his brief (and horrible) career as a nyg db, i saw him overtake a wr from behind, but not knowing how to tackle that way, he ran PAST him and then turned to hit him head on LFMAO for a minute!

  103. Chip March 30th, 2010 at 10:30 am

    I like Inge
    March 30th, 2010 at 10:21 am
    Chip,
    Yes you right are because Phil Hughes was doing that job. He was the major factor in the season turning around dominating the 8th inning. The set-up is so important to any team. Look at the Mets right now, scrambling trying to determine who the 8th inning guy will be.
    Chamberlain is an asset to this team and will be a major contributor in the pen.
    —————————

    1. The Mets have a lot of needs to address that should come before 8th inning pitcher, but that’s neither here nor there.

    2. No one is saying that the 8th inning isn’t important – it’s just not that important. I personally would rather have a high impact outfielder and muddle through with Robertson, Park, maybe Melancon…than have Joba pitching the 8th and Brett Gardner/Randy Winn in the outfield.

    3. Yes, Phil Hughes pitched well out of the pen in the regular season, but who was getting major outs in the post season in the 8th inning? Robertson. Marte. It just goes to prove you can get through the 8th inning by riding a hot hand, you don’t need a specialist in that role.

  104. tk March 30th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    “After 6/30, he appeared in 9 road games and he allowed runs in 8 of those. He allowed 2 or more in 7 of them.”

    Frank — Uh, I hadn’t caught that part. Unfortunately, that does seem far more indicative of a negative trend on the road. Certainly something to watch for this year.

  105. stuckey [knock, knock, knocking on heaven's door] March 30th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    “Agreed – the fact is that Joba set the bar very high in 2007 – what in the world makes any reasonable person think he’s ever going to be able to match those numbers again?”

    Because he doesn’t have to be to effective.

    0.38 ERA is never, ever going to happen again.

    He can give up 5, 6 TIMES more runs than that and still be very effective.

  106. bdog375 March 30th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    That is cool Michael Johnson came, but I think Jeter, Petitte, Rivera, and Posada are quite qualified to give the same speech :)

  107. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    It’s not just Bruce’s low batting averages and high strikeouts, it’s his annual trips to the operating room.

  108. I like Inge March 30th, 2010 at 10:34 am

    I’d rather have a guy like Chamberlain that you can bring in the 8th, or 7th in a big game, and take the ball straight to Rivera anyday over an outfielder. Especially on the Yankees that have loads of position player talent. No strong bullpen means no successful season.

  109. Chris Nightingale March 30th, 2010 at 10:35 am

    But it is the point. The 8th inning is just another inning. It is no different than the 4th, or the 7th, or the 9th. This is why defined bullpen roles are silly. If Mariano is your best bullpen pitcher, and the 3,4,5 are coming up in the 8th, isnt that the save situation. If CC goes 6 and a third, and has runners on the corners with 1 out, and we are up a run in the 7th, we should not pitch our best non closing reliever because his role is the 8th inning?

    All that being said, because Joba Chamberlain was very good in 2007 does not mean he is going to be a good bullpen pitcher in 2010. All the fist pumps, grunts, and farts dont mean anything if you cant locate. Joba blew a game in the playoffs in 2007, it can happen again.

  110. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    NYY isn’t exactly hurting for offense. Trading off starting pitchers with a future and no immediate back-up is insane.

  111. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 30th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    Patrick, that’s true……and the Rays will be a trendy pick again.

    GB, I was not a nice kid. I bit and, when I was in camp, I always got in trouble with the head counselor. I’ve outgrown MOST of that behavior, lol.

  112. Chris Nightingale March 30th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    So by your logic Inge, if the Twins called and said, you trade us Joba for Mauer straight up, you would say no because you want a guy to pitch the 8th inning?

  113. Patrick March 30th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    “The Yankees have choices for the 8th of which Chamberlain is the best because he is better than Park, Robertson, Marte.”

    Based on 2009, this is an unproven opinion. If I had to get through one inning and you gave me a choice of those 4 guys I’d go with Robertson. Joba has to prove himself to be an effective pitcher before I put him ahead of those 3 guys.

  114. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 30th, 2010 at 10:38 am

    Joba has to prove that he’s better than Robertson this year; Robertson is very good – don’t sell him short.

  115. Chip March 30th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Patrick –

    Fair enough, but whether you like the silly trade suggestion or not you can’t argue with the fact that it has sparked a pretty successful conversation.

  116. Betsy -Romine wasn't built in a day March 30th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Really? Joba didn’t bring the game to Mo in game 4 of the WS; if the Yankees hadn’t made that comeback, he would have brought that game straight to Coke.

  117. pat March 30th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    “The major factor for the team turning around was A-rod’s return.”

    It kind of surprised me to hear CC and AJ both say that in interviews when everyone else is always saying it’s all about the pitching.

  118. Patrick March 30th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Betsy,

    If I was writing an article on who is going to get to the world series I’d pick Tampa Bay vs Colorado. Two trendy picks this year and it makes for a more interesting article. I’d be lying about my true opinion (it’s going to be NY vs Philly), but I’d get more readers to pick up the magazine :)

  119. Patrick from CT March 30th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    I’m not trading Joba for Jay Buce or anyone else at this point in time. Joba is going to have a great year in the Pen and he is the backup we need for our 40 year old closer.
    Joba’s not going to be traded unless he’s asked to be traded. The Yankees don’t have a need for anything right now.
    The Out field is just fine going into the year and if BG does not make the grade Winn will replace him…

  120. Patrick March 30th, 2010 at 10:40 am

    “Fair enough, but whether you like the silly trade suggestion or not you can’t argue with the fact that it has sparked a pretty successful conversation. ”

    Lol I suppose so..

  121. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Betsy -Romine wasn’t built in a day
    March 30th, 2010 at 10:37 am
    Patrick, that’s true……and the Rays will be a trendy pick again.

    GB, I was not a nice kid. I bit and, when I was in camp, I always got in trouble with the head counselor. I’ve outgrown MOST of that behavior, lol.

    ————————————————————

    You still bite, huh? At camp they want you to make bird cages from popsicle sticks, but, you made bear traps instead?

  122. Chip March 30th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    NYY isn’t exactly hurting for offense. Trading off starting pitchers with a future and no immediate back-up is insane.

    What are you talking about GreenBeret?

    My suggestion was trading Joba for Bruce (with other parts) where are the Yankees trading off a starting pitcher? They’re trading off a guy who is going to pitch in the pen as a non-closer.
    Even if a starting pitcher went down a month into the season – Joba wouldn’t be a starter for the Yankees.
    Even if neither Andy or Javy return next season there’s no guarantee that Joba would be a starter.

  123. I like Inge March 30th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    You see Chris, this is why I don’t play Fantasy GM and dont think up trades. I’m no GM but why would I add another catcher when I got like 4 coming up in the system and Posada doing a great job. Why would I trade Chamberlain for an outfielder when I can get one in free agency. Why would I trade Chamberlain when I think I can get production out of him in multiple roles while he is under my possession in pre-free agency years. Why would I trade him? Why would I trade him when I know him and Mo in the back-end of the bullpen gives me a clear line to the post season. Why would I trade him when he’s a monster talent, in my eye, and there are no glaring weaknesses on this team in part because he is on the roster? That’s my view of Chamberlain.

    You guys sell him short.

  124. Erin March 30th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    New Post: Today’s lineup vs. Atlanta

  125. Victor the Predictor March 30th, 2010 at 10:47 am

    Aceves stays behind in Florida with Yankees not willing to take a chance with his back getting worse in cold weather.
    Boone Logan goes north as a 2nd lefthander in the bullpen.

  126. Chris Nightingale March 30th, 2010 at 10:47 am

    This team doesn’t need Joba Chmberlain in the bullpen to not have any weaknesses, their bullpen was already the best in baseball without him.

  127. stuckey [knock, knock, knocking on heaven's door] March 30th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    “My suggestion was trading Joba for Bruce (with other parts) where are the Yankees trading off a starting pitcher? They’re trading off a guy who is going to pitch in the pen as a non-closer.

    “Even if a starting pitcher went down a month into the season – Joba wouldn’t be a starter for the Yankees.
    Even if neither Andy or Javy return next season there’s no guarantee that Joba would be a starter.”

    Chip, frankly, you can do better than this. I get that you don’t believe Chamberlain has any guarantee of being a future starter, but you know full well that GB7 is implying he thinks he does.

    Your question is disingenuous. You KNOW what he meant.

  128. MTU (aka GBURL) March 30th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    I find it interesting that for now we are talking about how a good a reliever JC will be as opposed to how good a Starter.

    And some people don’t think JC has fallen in the estimation of some Yankee decision makers ?

    This guy has fallen from can’t miss prospect to fighting for a spot high up in the food chain of the Yankees BP.

  129. GreenBeret7 March 30th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    pat
    March 30th, 2010 at 10:39 am
    “The major factor for the team turning around was A-rod’s return.”

    It kind of surprised me to hear CC and AJ both say that in interviews when everyone else is always saying it’s all about the pitching.

    ————————————————————

    Those hits were big turning points, though. Without them, Burnett would have been winless in the post season and NYY probably doesn’t get out of Minnesota. The offense was pretty sparse in a lot of those games. NYY barely escaped losing the first two games to Philadelphia when Rodriguez was hitless. NYY needed their arms, Rodriguz’ bat and a lot of physical and mental errors by their opponents to get through the post season. Cano didn’t hit much, but his big game in Anaheim was huge.

    NYY played well for the most part, but, they were extremely opportunistic, too.

  130. I like Inge March 30th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    Without Chamberlain the Yankee bullpen is not as good as the Boston bullpen

  131. Chris Nightingale March 30th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    You are crazy if you think that Inge, absolutely crazy

  132. Patrick March 30th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Inge,

    You keep making these assertions but you haven’t backed up a single one with any logic or really anything. What makes you think Joba is such a great bullpen arm? He was mediocre at best last year.

  133. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! March 30th, 2010 at 10:59 am

    Patrick, LMAO at the comment you made in the previous thread. Yes I am the one who would be reporting the pitcher for unsportsmanlike conduct!

    :)

  134. testing March 30th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    I can’t see any comments…Checking to see if I can post.

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