Injury updates (take two)
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 02, 2010 
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The Yankees made it almost all the way through spring training without me needing to create a “injury updates” post. We’ve now had two of them in two days. “It’s frustrating because we were extremely healthy,” Joe Girardi said.
Nick Johnson
Fouled a pitch off his right knee and has a bone bruise. That’s the AP shot of his reaction.
“Stiff and sore right now,” Johnson said. “Not going to do anything tomorrow, get some treatments and see how it feels.”
Johnson gave a no-doubt “yes” when asked about his chances of playing on Opening Day, but Girardi seemed slightly less certain.
“I’m somewhat concerned about Sunday,” Girardi said. “It’s like taking a liner off the knee.”
Alfredo Aceves
Threw all of eight pitches in a scoreless inning in minor league camp, but also threw off flat ground and warmed up in the bullpen, all without feeling any pain.
“It was good,” Aceves said. “Everything was good. I didn’t feel nothing in my back.”
Girardi said his reports were positive, but the Yankees have to wait to see how Aceves feels tomorrow.
Damaso Marte
His left shoulder felt “cranky” after a long toss session a few days ago. He had to skip today’s scheduled relief appearance, but Marte said he’s confident he won’t have to go on the disabled list.
“I don’t feel like that,” he said. “I feel like maybe two or three days (will be enough time).”
Jorge Posada and Francisco Cervelli
Posada said his stiff neck felt “much better” and Cervelli said his strained hamstring felt “a lot better.”
Cervelli caught in the bullpen and took batting practice. He said he could have played today if necessary. “I think I can be ready,” he said.
Posada has a better chance of playing tomorrow than Cervelli, Girardi said. It’s possible he could get a couple of at-bats if he shows up with his neck perfectly loose.
Romine needs to start taking walks. His OBP’s have been abysmal. He makes too many outs with the stick as things have been. Higgy and Murphy behind him both show some patience at the dish.
Very good news about Cervelli, Posada and Aceves
Hopefully Johnson and Marte will be OK.
Hmm, I don’t like the sound of that regarding Nick (not because he won’t be fine, but just because it would be disappointing if he couldn’t play opening day).
‘Nuff said on Ace and Marte.
I know Jorge’s “injury” wasn’t serious; I would be cautious with Frankie.
http://www.wfan.com/topic/play.....Id=4530892
Here’s the link to Kevin Tower’s interview; he’s a good guy to listen to and has very intersting things to say about Montero/Romine/Hughes/Javy.
Phil, I get the idea you do not like Romine at all.
Betsy,
Gotta call a foul on that comment to Phil.
I don’t mean personally, by the way – just as a player.
I’m tired of N Johnson already.
Why, M? I’ve seen Phil’s posts elsewhere – I’m not criticizing him, just making a comment based on his evaluation of Austin as a player.
Wow, “stiff and sore.” Not exactly the words I wanted to hear but its ok. We have to think long term. NJ missing a opening day game is not exactly the end of the world.
Basd off of what NJ said, I think the lineup on Oday will be as follows:
DJ
CG
TEX
AROD
ROBBIE
JORGE
SWISH
WINN (DH)
GGBG
meant to ask – what was the mini-issue with Mo today? (where Girardi had to go out to the mound, though Mo was fine after that)
How about allowing Romine a little time to grow? Mattingly was never much of a walker, either. Let Romine and the kids get their swings down before complaining about them “not walking enough”.
becca April 2nd, 2010 at 5:00 pm
meant to ask – what was the mini-issue with Mo today? (where Girardi had to go out to the mound, though Mo was fine after that)
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becca, chad had an update in the last thread that said that Mo has a little bit of a cold, and Girardi just wanted to make sure he was OK
Apparently the same rules don’t apply to all here.
Tired of NJ because he fouled a ball off his knee? That’s pretty funny.
I wonder if you will be tired of him being an OBP machine this year?
That comment there was rather benign.
I like Hughes, I love Hughes. But I wouldn’t get mad if someone said, “Phil’s gotta stop walking so many people.”
And he didn’t say, “I don’t like …. at all” or “I’m down on…”
M, I’m not going to get into another stupid argument. I like Phil and I respect him a lot; I have no idea why you think I’m mad, but I’m not. You’re nitpicking my post. It’s pretty obvious that Phil thinks Austin has some major flaws and I was hoping for some clarification. I think you’re overreacting, I’m sorry.
SJ,
Do you think AJ will be able to cut down his walk total this year? I certainly hope so. I liked to see him go deep into some games this year.
I hope he does too Benny.
If he can, he could have a career year.
thank you Erin
BTW more on the Mo/Pie thing:
http://twitter.com/Britt_Ghiro.....1499892358
Wow.
Can’t be an OBP machine from the bench or DL. If Jeter gets nicked you don’t hear him talk about being sore and stiff and taking a day off for treatment…he says “I’m fine…no issues”. Do you think Jeter would ever sit on Opening Day against the Red Sox with a sore knee? N Johnson might. And that would be funny…in a sad way.
Who is Britt Ghiroli? I’m not sure I understand that tweet. Mo accidentally plunked Pie and then Pie started cursing/insulting Mo?
Can’t be an OBP machine from the bench or DL. If Jeter gets nicked you don’t hear him talk about being sore and stiff and taking a day off for treatment…he says “I’m fine…no issues”
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Jeter’s career line while injured: .210/.245/.300 Playing injured is dumb and players should not be praised for hiding injury.
What are you talking about? He doesn’t need to play tomorrow. He needs to play Sunday.
It’s actually SMART to have treatment tomorrow.
Seems you are whining for the sake of whining on this one.
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If Burnett can get a few more swings and misses with his change-up instead of racking up a ton of foul balls, his walks will come down and his innings per game will rise. That killed him at times last year and really, throughout his career. You’d see him go 0-2 or 1-2 in the count and they’d start fouling off pitches and he’d start moving off of the plate a little more. He’s always going to be a little consistant, though.
becca April 2nd, 2010 at 5:14 pm
thank you Erin
BTW more on the Mo/Pie thing:
http://twitter.com/Britt_Ghiro…..1499892358
Wow.
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you’re welcome!
Thanks for the twitter link-that’s weird
Jerkface, thanks! Pie shouting insults at Mo? Sounds like a punk…
Jerkface April 2nd, 2010 at 5:17 pm
Jeter?s career line while injured: .210/.245/.300 Playing injured is dumb and players should not be praised for hiding injury.
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How do you actually know that for a fact?
Betsy,
I don’t dislike Romine. I’ve followed his whole career and he has something he really needs to improve on if he wants the be a great player. It has nothing to do with like or not liking. I like him and root for him. He just needs to take more walks and stop making so many outs.
Phil, thanks for not taking my comment personally because I did not mean it that way.
Didn’t he have a good BA in A ball last year? I thought I also read that he showed very good power in a pitcher’s league. Who is the Yankees hitting coach at AA? I hope he’s a good one as the Yankees are placing their best prospects in their hands.
How do you actually know that for a fact?
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I don’t, but I actually looked it up sometime last season on this blog for when he was hit on the hand by the orioles in 08 and whatever he had in 07 and his gamelogs for the next month were bad.
But players playing injured IS stupid. Unless you are not injured in such a way as to impact your performance.
Oops, and let’s hope that whoever the hitting coach is can teach Romine more patience without taking away his aggressiveness; that’s a fine line.
Yeah, Jerk, I like to know where the Jeter stat came from? You don’t have AB’s on the DL, which means someone had to “determine” when Jeter wasn’t injured anymore.
I wouldn’t get too upset about Pie’s outburst. It had to hurt. Not much different than hitting your thumb with a hammer and cutting loose with a string of cuss words at anybody that might laugh or anything that’s handy.
hog ges tbe wil the wiwoprd betu but no ggot inuryes ?
WoW. A long, long, long list of injuries.
Is this Gettysburg or Spring Training?
OH, so that’s what she meant? In that case, I don’t blame him. I didn’t understand where the retalitation part came from; what would Mo be retaliating for? The last game where Cervelli and Tex got hit?
“I don’t, but I actually looked it up sometime last season on this blog for when he was hit on the hand by the orioles in 08 and whatever he had in 07 and his gamelogs for the next month were bad.”
The may have been, but someone still decided when he wasn’t injured anymore.
“But players playing injured IS stupid. Unless you are not injured in such a way as to impact your performance.”
I believe you have to factor in the alternatives into the equation. Playing through injury is unwise assuming there is someone healthy that can outplay you even while you’re injured.
Who was that in 2007/2008?
Since 99 out of 100 of you already think Beckett will outpitch CC. Here’s my prediction:
Beckett
8 innings, 2 hits, 0 runs, 1 BB, 11 K.
CC
5.2 innings, 8 hits, 4 runs, 3 BB, 4 K.
Nothing serious, we should be thankful.
Red Sox win 6-1.
Betsy,
He had an okay BA in high A last year. But it wasn’t a strong enough component to make up for his crappy walk rate. Mattingly didn’t walk tons, but he hit .340 in his prime and walked enough to have some good OBP’s. Cano is simlar to Mattingly in that his BA is well over .300, but he still needs to walk more. You want to get that OBP to .360 then everything over it is gravy. If you’re in the .320′s like Romine has been, you’re not gonna be very great. We want him to be great.
btw, I don’t know how you turned 1 flaw into “some major flaws” but it’s something you should perhaps look at when interpreting what others are saying.
Fair as s essment. No?
Never said it was wrong that NJ is getting treatment. My comment was about NJ’s comment and how sometimes it just might be better to say nothing (like Jeter) especially when you have his injury history. Didn’t realize I was whining.
Chad,
the comment box needs to be bigger.
Phil, thanks – I get what you are saying. Hopefully he’ll improve in those aspects of his game.
Interesting reading from Bill Simmons – a Sabrmetrics resister gives in…
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....ons/100402
They asked him a question and he answered honestly. It’s not a big deal and saying you are “tired” of him already when he did nothing wrong is whining.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/p.....autoplay=1
Here’s the Kay interview with Jeter..
Yeah, Jerk, I like to know where the Jeter stat came from? You don’t have AB’s on the DL, which means someone had to “determine” when Jeter wasn’t injured anymore.
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Yea no kiddin I made it up just to refute the stupid point that Jeter is somehow more awesome for wanting into the lineup when injured.
Jeter has taken hits to the hand from the orioles numerous times the past couple of seasons, and he always stinks it up and loses his power for the next X days.
Damon never went on the DL, but foot injuries kept him out of games and sapped his ability at the plate. He played injured for like all of 07 and had one of his worst years power wise.
When Jeter was injured we had guys like Alberto Gonzalez who would have played excellent defense and brought very little to the plate behind him. Its not the best, but I’d take it over poor defense and diminished offense.
I’m trying to find my post where I talked about this before.
If you get hit on the hand/arm or have a serious leg injury, you probably shouldn’t be batting. Remember Longoria playing through his hammy pull and he got completely dominated on the outside part of the plate ?
gyhu April 2nd, 2010 at 5:30 pm
Chad,
the comment box needs to be bigger.
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How much trolling space do you need to spew your BS?
not likin this new fangled style…
Omg fellow Lohud bloggers! I just got access to all 81 home games for the season… i’m excited even though I’ll be working, should be best summer of my life.
so what if Nick Johnson misses Opening Night. let the whining begin. get a clue yankee fans.
is the mobile site down? I haven’t been able to get on it all day.
“When Jeter was injured we had guys like Alberto Gonzalez who would have played excellent defense and brought very little to the plate behind him. Its not the best, but I’d take it over poor defense and diminished offense.”
This is starting to sound familiar JF. I think what I said last time is that this is something that’s easy to criticize in hindsight. Jeter/Torre/Girardi don’t make up the line-up card KNOWING he’s going t go 1-5 that night.
Player’s like Jeter assume they can play through it, and they usually can. If they had the magically ability to predict their batting average for 10 days, maybe they’d consider the option, but no player of Jeter’s caliber expects to hit .210.
Hence the dilema
“99 out of 100 of you already think Beckett will outpitch CC”
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Sadly, this may be true. How about a poll, Chad?
congrats Kelvin, good for you
Betsy-thanks for the Derek link
Kate, you’re welcome ! LOL Kay pulled his ” Derek, I can’t accept that you would want a pie in your face – you’re the Joe DiMaggio of this generation” schtick. It was a good interview, though – Jeter was unflappable as always and had some interesting things to say.
I want to meet you guys during games, Ofcourse I got to keep it professional but still would be nice to meet the community of Lohud
Beckett
8 innings, 2 hits, 0 runs, 1 BB, 11 K.
when was the last time he put up #s like that?
Posted from blackberry, blake. No problem.
See I don’t think players can ‘usually’ play through wrist injuries and lower body injuries.
And I think its an easy decision to make, but a lot of managers won’t make it and players won’t let them make it. Jeter doesn’t talk. Girardi won’t know. Jeter will go out, grimace, and go 0-5.
SJ44 in the past said there is playing hurt and playing injured. Everyone should play hurt, its professional sports, that happens. Playing injured hurts the team.
If NJ is out opening night Grandy will be in the 2 spot.
Leaving work. AND its still light out. WOOHOO!!!!
Dinner plans tonight- will catch you all MUCH later
Kay makes it so interesting, in a high school sort of way.
See ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tyler Kepner picked the Sox to finish 3rd with the Rays getting the WC
No wonder ESPN NY didn’t hire him!
“99 out of 100 of you already think Beckett will outpitch CC”
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Sadly, this may be true. How about a poll, Chad?
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Extrapolating base on Spring Training performance, yeah, count me as one of those who think CC will struggle while beckett will dominate.
the comment box needs to be bigger.
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How much trolling space do you need to spew your BS?
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LMAO!!!! GB7- Never lose your humor!
If everyone’s bruises and twinges are healed than it should be fairly easy to GTLU for Sunday nights game.
Wonder what the lineup will be after the July 31st trading deadline??
As bad as the kids played defense in today’s game, it was nice to see them come back to tie the game with a hug two out rally in the 9th.
Nick, it just started working again on mine. I haven’t been able to get on all day on my phone.
I think NJ will play if at all possible…very doubtful he wants to miss the first game after all the injury talk about him.
Yankee Trader April 2nd, 2010 at 5:46 pm
the comment box needs to be bigger.
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How much trolling space do you need to spew your BS?
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LMAO!!!! GB7- Never lose your humor!
If everyone’s bruises and twinges are healed than it should be fairly easy to GTLU for Sunday nights game.
Wonder what the lineup will be after the July 31st trading deadline??
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If Johnson is unable to get the swelling and stiffness out of his knee by Sunday night, I’d think that Winn gets the starting spot and bat 2nd….maybe as the left fielder…probably as the DH.
Hmmm. The word “A s se ss ment” is blocked.
That’s just ass backwards.
Make the links at top/bottom of page larger, Chad.
the banned part of ass ess ment is the ess
Or the entire word is banned, because Pete did not want people ass essing him?
I can’t even say that “I wear glas ses”…… that’s pathetic, lol
The entire site filter really needs to be revamped.
I am happy to see the Yankees took my advice and gave Weber that award.:)
Testing………..
http://www.nytimes.com/aponlin......html?_r=1
So much for Buchholz’ mechanical difficulties……..
Now if only the ‘word’ gyhu could get caught by the filter….
MTU, I’d actually like to see Weber get a call up sometime this season.
So Nick is injured? What else is new?
Betsy: Buchholz didn’t face Dunn, Zimmerman, or Willingham. It was mostly minor leaguers and Nyger Morgan/Christian Guzman
Betsy-
“So much for Buchholz’ mechanical difficulties……..”
What are they gonna do about the fact that he looks like a character out of “Night of the Living Dead” ?
How they gonna fix that ?
“Clay Buchholz pitched six solid innings in the Boston Red Sox’s 7-2 win over the Washington Nationals on Friday.”
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When is the last time Phil Hughes or Joba Chamblain or Ian Kennedy pitched “six solid innings” for the Yankees?
So Nick is injured? What else is new?
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Stop your whining.
Saint-
That was GB’s idea but I’m all for it !
Saint-
How about working some of your magic and giving us some of your in season predictions ?
Jerkface, that may be true, but it seems Buccholz has found something after his struggles. It’s just something to consider with regards to the respective rotations
Boys don’t make pass es at girls who make ass essments.
Betsy you can’t judge anything based on ONE SPRING TRAINING game
“So much for Buchholz’ mechanical difficulties……..”
“After a 45-minute delay, Clay Buchholz emerged and said he threw 90 percent two-seam fastballs today because his four-seamer felt flat.”
Last year Buchholz hardly threw any two seamers at all. He’s a four seam fastball guy. He threw around 1% two seamers last year.
So either he’s suddenly reinvented himself in the last game of spring or there is still something going on making his four seamer very flat – a problem he himself acknowledged.
Another example of how you need to be cautious about intepreting results from spring training games.
http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....readerComm
Nick in SF April 2nd, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Boys don’t make pass es at girls who make ass essments.
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I’m kinda happy that we spotted the Sox 8 games to start the season last year and still wound up kicking their butt in the end.
Becca, calm down, sheesh. I made one comment..and it hardly deserved that reaction.
“I’m kinda happy that we spotted the Sox 8 games to start the season last year and still wound up kicking their butt in the end.
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It SHOULD let people just enjoy baseball for a few months and not worry about April and May series, but alas, that’s a pipedream
Baseball, like any great narrative, is told in 3 acts. Act Two doesn’t even start until June.
Trish, please enter me for 104 wins.
The club is better, and we’ll get pushed a bit more.
and, please come back.
We need to hear about squirrels
[lucky, and otherwise]
CB, just fyi – I wasn’t predicting he was going to win the Cy Young. He’s a
talented pitcher; I don’t like him and I hope he doesn’t do well, but he is.
Buchholz = 20 game winner? CY Young? Both?
I’d say the new (or old) arm angle is the cause of the flat 4 seamer for Bucholtz.
Allen April 2nd, 2010 at 6:20 pm
Buchholz = 20 game winner? CY Young? Both?
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If he’s lucky, he’ll be as good as Matt Young.
Just letting you all know I will be here Sunday night.
There is no cure for ugly.
Buchholz looks like an undernourished Texas Javellina to me.
sigh
Nick Johnson is injured, alert the media.
This is the kind of crap that will go on all friggin year with the guy.
New post
Betsy-
My comment wasn’t primarily about Buccholz or your sense of how good he will be
My comment was about how spring training results have to taken in context. When I’ve seen buchholz throw this spring his single biggest problem has been his four seam fastball- both it being flat and having poor command. He’s had a poor spring and it’s that pitch – the pitch he needs to learn how to pitch off of which has been a central problem.
Now once the regular season starts that problem migh vanish. As you said he’s talented.
Buy a spring training game in which a pitcher has to abandon his four seam fastball because it has been flat yet again and substitute a pitch he ‘s hardly used isn’t necessarily a success.
The results were good but the problem persisted. And instead of trying to use his last spring start to fix the problem he chose to change his approach to avoid the problem.
If I was john Farrell I’d be pleased he used his two seamer well but very concerned that his base pitch was abandoned in order to achieve a better result in a meaningless game against a bats team not playing it’s starters
CB, thanks for explaining. After the overreaction by one poster based on one comment I made, I admit that I was a bit sensitive. I just don’t want to have to be afraid to post things because people are going to bite my head off.
I agree that it’s odd that they just decided to abandon the four-seamer; that wasn’t mentioned in the article I posted. I assume they have a reason for that, but avoiding a problem instead of trying to fix it doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Chuck58 – I got your prediction and appreciate your support.