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Marte feels “cranky” shoulder

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 02, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Damaso Marte felt some discomfort in his left shoulder while throwing long toss a few days ago. He’s been scratched from today’s scheduled relief appearance.

Marte and Joe Girardi described it as a “cranky” shoulder. Marte said it’s sore, but nothing like last year’s injury. He doesn’t expect this to land him on the DL.

UPDATE, 11:42 p.m.: Alfredo Aceves will make his scheduled appearance today in a minor league game.

 
 

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177 Responses to “Marte feels “cranky” shoulder”

  1. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 2nd, 2010 at 11:23 am

    It’s still bad news; this guy can not stay healthy. At this point, I wonder if his shoulder is why the Yankees only intended to use him as a LOOGY. I like Marte, but I don’t think we can count on him. First Aceves is iffy this year, now Marte; our pen is suddenly not so fantastic.

  2. Erin April 2nd, 2010 at 11:24 am

    That’s too bad, hopefully he feels better soon

  3. Erin April 2nd, 2010 at 11:24 am

    Ledger_Yankees Marte told me he thinks he just overdid workouts, which were meant to protect his left shoulder. “I dont’t want to be on the DL.” #nyy
    about 1 minute ago

  4. tex's friend April 2nd, 2010 at 11:25 am

    a lefty will make this team. Boston has ortiz, drew and ellsbury. We want a lefty in there to face them.

  5. stucky April 2nd, 2010 at 11:26 am

    “our pen is suddenly not so fantastic.”

    And THIS is why you get responses from me, Betsy. Marte is not going to pitch in a spring training game and you’re extrapolated that Aceves AND Marte won’t be effective or reliable all year and that the pen is now not as good as it should be, despite the regular season not having begun yet.

  6. tex's friend April 2nd, 2010 at 11:26 am

    weren’t the yankees taking it easy on him? i can’t be too mad because he was clutch in the world series, but why can he never be healthy for the first 130 games?

  7. Mark- Can't Touch This April 2nd, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Betsy bullpens are year to year don’t worry about it what the Yankees bullpen looks now is not what it will look in June.

  8. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 2nd, 2010 at 11:28 am

    What’s up with this guy and workouts? Last year he hurt himself lifting weights before the WBC and he was never the same. He doesn’t seem to have any idea what he’s doing in terms of workouts. Last year, his shoulder didn’t improve until, miraculously, the WS. I hope it doesn’t take that long for him this time.

  9. SJ44 April 2nd, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Betsy,

    you can’t go into Defon 7 worry mode over every injury.

    It’s not serious and they would rather be safe than sorry.

    It’s nothing like his injury of last season.

    Guys are going to get banged up. It’s part of the game.

    Nobody goes thru an entire season without injuries.

  10. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy April 2nd, 2010 at 11:29 am

    “weren’t the yankees taking it easy on him? i can’t be too mad because he was clutch in the world series, but why can he never be healthy for the first 130 games?”

    ————————————–

    Never? Marte has 10 seasons in the majors. How many times has he not be healthy for the first 130 games?

  11. Rich in NJ April 2nd, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Boone Logan, come on down.

  12. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 2nd, 2010 at 11:31 am

    Stuckey, I don’t like being condescended to. Aceves has a chronic back condition – if you’re not concerned about that, fine, but it’s a PERFECTLY valid concern (unless you don’t think back issues are a big deal). This is now 2 years in a row Marte has had cranky shoulder, but you think everything is going to be just hunky dory; good for you. The POINT is that the pen has issues now, but if you want to be blind to that, fine.

  13. CR9 April 2nd, 2010 at 11:31 am

    I think Marte’s injury last year was a blessing in disguise.

    And although I feel TERRIBLE for him, if there was any possibility of the Sox spinning Tazawa in a package for Gonzalez, as was reported, then I think that was a blessing in disguise.

    The only definite non blessing injuries are life threatening, or life altering (concussions), injuries as what happened with Westmoreland.

  14. stucky April 2nd, 2010 at 11:32 am

    Ladies & Gentlemen, your 2009 Opening Day bullpen of the 103 win, 11-4 postseason, World Champion New York Yankees.

    Jonathan Albaladejo 
    Brian Bruney 
    Phil Coke 
    Damaso Marte
    Edwar Ramirez 
    Mariano Rivera
    Jose Veras 

    There is nothing to worry about…

  15. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy April 2nd, 2010 at 11:33 am

    I have a sneaking suspicion that the Yankees can get by without a guy who is going to be called upon to get out 1 or 2 guys every few days.

  16. Phil Columbus April 2nd, 2010 at 11:35 am

    No need to take any chances with Marte or Aceves to start the season. If there is any issue with them they should be kept in Tampa. Let Logan and Melancon start the season with the big club. Both guys pitched well this spring.

  17. CR9 April 2nd, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Jonathan Albaladejo
    Brian Bruney
    Phil Coke
    Damaso Marte
    Edwar Ramirez
    Mariano Rivera
    Jose Veras

    Holy ****

    When you look at that, it’s like Mariano and pray for rain, sleet, hail, or snow!!

  18. stucky April 2nd, 2010 at 11:35 am

    “Stuckey, I don’t like being condescended to.”

    Then let’s make rthis quick because you have other people to respond to.

    “This is now 2 years in a row Marte has had cranky shoulder, but you think everything is going to be just hunky dory; good for you. The POINT is that the pen has issues now, but if you want to be blind to that, fine.”

    I’d like to point out the Marte hardly pitched last year and was highly ineffective when he did and the Yankees won 103 regular season games and won the division in a cakewalk.

    That’s not being blind, that’s seeing and remembering.

  19. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 2nd, 2010 at 11:36 am

    SJ, I’m hardly in Def-con mode and I don’t think it’s fair that anytime I express concern about anything I’m overreacting. Aceves has a chronic back condition – I refuse to think that is good. This is now 2 years in a row for Marte – it’s not like Swisher getting clocked on the elbow, which is a one and done deal. I’m not freaking out, but yes I’m concerned and I think my concerns are valid. I really, really do not want to have to feel like I’m going to be taken to task for everything I post because I’m not such a rosy-eyed optimist as everyone.

  20. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 2nd, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Um, I remember that Stuckey – and Marte wasn’t healthy last year. If you recall, he was brought back up while his velocity was still fluctuating; he really wasn’t ready.

  21. Erin April 2nd, 2010 at 11:39 am

    stucky April 2nd, 2010 at 11:32 am
    Ladies & Gentlemen, your 2009 Opening Day bullpen of the 103 win, 11-4 postseason, World Champion New York Yankees.

    Jonathan Albaladejo
    Brian Bruney
    Phil Coke
    Damaso Marte
    Edwar Ramirez
    Mariano Rivera
    Jose Veras

    There is nothing to worry about…

    ***************************
    Wow. That’s actually kind of funny when you think about it. :)

  22. NYYanksFan April 2nd, 2010 at 11:39 am

    Betsy

    Unless it involves Phil or AJ, you will never be mistaken for a rosy-eyed optimist.

  23. La la la April 2nd, 2010 at 11:41 am

    The phrase “our pen is suddenly not so fantastic” constitutes overreacting, and you owe an apology to David Robertson, Joba Chamberlain, and Chan Ho Park. You have offended them.

  24. stucky April 2nd, 2010 at 11:42 am

    The Yankees talent in the line-up, starting rotation, back end of the bullpen and bullpen depth more than compensate for a couple of SPECULATIVE problems in the bullpen. As evidenced by the results of last year.

    That’s not rosy-eyed optimism Betsy, that’s pragmatism.

    Your seeming desire to only feel comfortable when EVERYONE is 100% health betrays a familiarity with the game of Major League baseball.

    Every team is going to have injuries. If currently the chief concern is a situational lefty and your long man out the bullpen, BEFORE the season has started, you should be THANKING your lucky stars, not bemoaning anything.

  25. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 2nd, 2010 at 11:42 am

    So what, NYYanks? Are optimists naturally condescending? They are automatically better fans than pessimists (not that I have expressed one ounce of concern about the quality of the team). I also don’t give a fig what you think about my posts about AJ and Phil. I’ll make you happy – AJ and Phil will both stink this year.

  26. Rishi April 2nd, 2010 at 11:44 am

    I liked it better when the only “cranky” around here had to do with ESPN NY.

  27. CR9 April 2nd, 2010 at 11:45 am

    upstate kate

    change of heart? are you referring to yesterday? My HAHAHAs were poorly placed and misunderstood (as internet typing is not the best form of communication or expression).

    I was only reminiscing of all the positive spin that NESPN and Gammo put on him. The best part about the signing of Taz was they broke unwritten rules in signing him, and Gammo and co. praised the Sox for signing him anyway.

  28. La la la April 2nd, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Please ask the Philadelphia Phillies if Damaso Marte was ready to pitch.

  29. Rishi April 2nd, 2010 at 11:47 am

    CC’s 2009 Opening Day Jitters and what that means for 2010

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy

  30. SJ44 April 2nd, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Not all injuries are the same Betsy.

    Their pen is LOADED.

    So much so, they don’t have to rush guys back to make up for other weaknesses. As they did last year.

    These are minor injuries.

    Saying they can’t be counted on is overreacting.

    Derek Jeter has a chronic shoulder condition. Alex has a chronic hip condition.

    “Chronic” only means you have to do your exercises to maintain the area of concern.

    These guys can play with this stuff. They have for years.

  31. upstate kate April 2nd, 2010 at 11:48 am

    CR9
    I hope you realize that I was teasing you for all you put up w/ yesterday :)
    you are absolutely right about about posting and communication!

  32. CR9 April 2nd, 2010 at 11:48 am

    Holy geez.

    Cant you guys leave Betsy alone.

    It’s her right to be concerned over injuries.

    No matter how any of you speak about the injuries, none of you actually know the extent of the injuries.

    Hopefully, the Yankees do not give accurate information to the media in regards to injuries or the seriousness of injuries.

  33. Dave F April 2nd, 2010 at 11:49 am

    Trisha,

    Hope everything works out and you can stay active on the board. Thanks for running the contest to guess total wins. If you could please put me down for 97 wins. I thinks the Yankees have gotten better but so have some other teams.

  34. Rich in NJ April 2nd, 2010 at 11:49 am

    I thought it was odd when Cash referred to Marte as a situational lefty. Maybe they had reason to think that he needed to be handled with care even before this latest setback. Perhaps the injury he suffered in the WBC never fully healed.

  35. Rich in NJ April 2nd, 2010 at 11:49 am

    I agree with CR9 regarding Betsy.

  36. Tom B April 2nd, 2010 at 11:50 am

    So you have already moved on from freaking out over posada’s stiff neck(which takes 3 days to recover from in my personal 30 year old experiences…) to one of the deepest bullpens in baseball being derailed by a guy that doesn’t even need to be pitching in it? Calm down!

  37. Tom B April 2nd, 2010 at 11:51 am

    CR9 – if she wants to come on here every single day and freak out over every little thing that happens, she has to be prepared to take some heat.

  38. blake April 2nd, 2010 at 11:51 am

    Stuckey, that was a good post on the bullpen situation. The Yanks bullpen and otherwise are in much shape heading north this year than they were last.

  39. Dassit April 2nd, 2010 at 11:52 am

    Hopefully, the Yankees do not give accurate information to the media in regards to injuries or the seriousness of injuries.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Just like when Mariano had had a MRI in NY while Girardi said he just had a cranky shoulder and nothing else. Remember how the world of the beat writers exploded hahaha. PeteAbe was all getting emotional.

  40. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 2nd, 2010 at 11:52 am

    Upstate I really appreciate that. And it’s people like you that made me feel like hanging out here. But the constant whining and complaining and obssessing finally got to me. If I had the patience that a lot of you seem to have, I guess I could do it. But I find it all tiring as opposed to invigorating.

    I really feel sad for me, believe me, because I used to love to come here and be with so many of the other Yankee fans. But that enjoyment is always sapped by the people who manage to bring the forum down continually. I think I figured that once the Yankees won the World Series that some of the posters would back off the negativity and let the rest of us have a brief period of enjoyment. But it doesn’t appear that is ever going to happen.

    I am really on the fence about it. I may find that once the season begins I need a lohud fix. But I fear once any Yankee makes the mistake of being less than perfect, it will all just recycle again. Maybe if the Yankees go 162-0 if will be safe to be here – though I’m not even sure about then.

    ;)

    http://members.cox.net/lsdorgan/2010%20SEASON.pdf

  41. tex's friend April 2nd, 2010 at 11:52 am

    yankees have plenty of guys waiting to fill in for aceves and marte should it be necessary. Logan, Ring, Melancon. I think we will be just fine.

  42. stucky April 2nd, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Things I can say with near certainty.

    - A key member or members of the bullpen will spend time on the DL and this and likely battle a nagging condition all year.

    - A key member or members of the starting rotation will spend time on the DL and this and likely battle a nagging condition all year.

    - A key member or members of the starting line-up will spend time on the DL and this and likely battle a nagging condition all year.

    THIS is simply Major League baseball played over six months and 162 games.

    When you simply accept this as inevitable, and understand ALL teams will deal with this same thing, the game becomes a lot more pleasant to follow.

    The degree, volume and who suffers injury is the key. That has yet to be determined. Right now, things are not only fine, they’re great. Phillies put three of the pitching staff on the DL to start the season.

    This is nothing.

  43. Derek Leader April 2nd, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Is the bullpen fully set yet? Or is it still up between Mitre and a second lefty?

  44. Rich in NJ April 2nd, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Tom B

    Why does she have to take heat?

    You can just as easily ignore her posts.

  45. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 2nd, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Thanks, CR and Rich….

    Fine, I’ll take the heat – which I think is completely undeserved. If you guys want to assume that Marte will be just fine and that Aceves back won’t be an issue, god bless you.

  46. m April 2nd, 2010 at 11:55 am

    I think we’re all secretly a little concerned anytime there’s injuries. Just because we don’t post them doesn’t mean we’re not worried.

    Betsy’s gotten a lot better about posting negative thoughts. Stay positive Betsy. If I were you, I wouldn’t react to negative posts about what you write. And before you know it, they’ll stop poking at you.

  47. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy April 2nd, 2010 at 11:56 am

    stuckey,

    Did you lose an ‘e’ on your handle? Is Eiland responsible for this mysterious loss?

  48. CR9 April 2nd, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Trisha

    You are a bright spot for this blog. Your positivity is remarkable.

    Tom

    Betsy doesnt have to be prepared to take anything. Ridiculous!! This is a forum for discussion among fans that are supposed to be of the same team (and because of that, should all get along). This isn’t a place meant to attack one another when differences of opinion arise.

  49. CU Tiger April 2nd, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Rishi-

    I can bring the cranky back around to ESPN NY.com- I hadn’t noticed the obligatory “The F Word- Joba to the ‘pen Forever” article . I think I could provide all of their content- oh wait I did in an earlier post!

    The only reason I’m reading it today is I am pretty much the only person in the office (and I may be a bit of a masochist). I should be happy the only thing I have to complain about this team is the coverage by ESPN.

  50. stuckey April 2nd, 2010 at 11:57 am

    LGY, ha… didn’t even notice… thanks.

  51. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 2nd, 2010 at 11:57 am

    SJ, IMO – a back problem is never minor and given that this is 2 years in a row that Marte has had a bad shoulder, I think my concerns are valid.

    I’m fine having to wear an asbestos suit here …

  52. BBFan April 2nd, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Oh well, worrying about something serious to a key player like Mariano is one thing and flooding the blog with worries always is something else. It is not easy to skip the entries from these folks as every other entry is from them…… As some one said ealrier, injuries are part of the game. It is not about being optimistic or pessimistic.

    In spite of all these minor injuries, the team is well balanced and has good depth. If Marte can not go, there is Logan. Let us enjoy their play starting this weekend.

  53. Rich in NJ April 2nd, 2010 at 11:58 am

    It’s stucky’s (or is it stuckey’s) way of saving bandwidth.

  54. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 2nd, 2010 at 11:58 am

    The bullpen is the least of my concerns because of all the pitching depth at the Yanks’ fingertips.

    But in the case of Marte, I don’t think it’s out of order to be concerned. If anything, Just because he gave us some otherworldly innings in the postseason (the break on some of those pitches just make you giggle) and was key to helping us neutralize dangerous LHB, doesn’t mean one is obliged to be cavalier about his health.

    He does seem to be rather delicate. It’s a long road to the postseason. Let’s hope he can make a healthy contribution to getting us there this season.

  55. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 2nd, 2010 at 11:59 am

    M, I try to, but it’s hard. I don’t like being talked down to as if I were a child. I’m not expressing concerns that a part of YS is going to fall down on Granderson and kill him; IMO, I’m expressing perfectly valid concerns.

  56. upstate kate April 2nd, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    hmmm…I was thinking it was a pretend stucky, altho it did sound like the regular stuckey!

  57. CU Tiger April 2nd, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    “I’m not expressing concerns that a part of YS is going to fall down on Granderson and kill him”

    That is the best quote of the day : )

  58. m April 2nd, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    Betsy is right that marte and aceves are a concern. Absolutely.

    But it’s not the end of the world. If Aceves can’t pitch, insert melancon. If marte can’t pitch, see what Logan can give you. And there’s no rule that said you HAVE to pitch lefty to lefty. It’s ideal, but not mandatory.

    The bullpen will be the easiest thing to deal with. Girardi/Eiland have proven for two years that they can squeeze blood from rocks and a single piece of paper. No worries.

  59. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 2nd, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    Dave F, I have you down for 97.

    :)

  60. SJ44 April 2nd, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    Here’s where you lose me…

    He has a sore shoulder. He doesn’t think he will go on the DL. That makes it minor.

    Betsy, if this was the NFL and the Yankees had to list every ache and pain guys have, there would be 20 guys on the list.

    In the grand scheme of things, this has been the most injury free camp in years.

    So far, no serious injuries. That’s a good thing.

  61. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy April 2nd, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    Even if Marte and Ace are not fine, the Yankees will be fine. They have a very deep bullpen and have options who are ready and waiting for the call at AAA. They have the best closer in the history of baseball. They also have a very good rotation which makes the BP even less important.

    Bullpens are very volatile and the pieces that constitute them are fairly fungible. Injuries will happen, certain guys will be ineffective, and in the end the Yankees will come out ok as long as their SP pitch and their hitters hit because those are the guys that are really important.

  62. CR9 April 2nd, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    ““I’m not expressing concerns that a part of YS is going to fall down on Granderson and kill him”

    LMAO

    I’m always concerned in the 9 games at Fenway Field, that one of their scumbag fans will attack our bullpen guys (namely, Mariano) and then the security guards will of course side with their own kind!!

  63. stuckey April 2nd, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    “Ridiculous!! This is a forum for discussion among fans that are supposed to be of the same team (and because of that, should all get along). This isn’t a place meant to attack one another when differences of opinion arise.”

    Except when a fan doesn’t buy into paranoid conspiracy theories, at which time YOU attack them.

    I’m not complaining btw, I quite enjoyed your attempts, but hypocrisy is hypocrisy.

    And I continue to not understand the “why are you responding to X person Y way.”

    This is a discussion forum. The SOLE purpose of posting here is voluntarily inviting response.

    If people are looking for sounding board in which their comments of protected from dissenting response, this isn’t the proper place.

  64. m April 2nd, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Betsy,

    I know it’s hard. When I get talked down to, I do let me displeasure show. But you shouldn’t have to defend your right to speak each and every time. Just do it.

  65. Tom B April 2nd, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    cr9 – she decides to constantly come on here and complain about every little problem, people have every right to respond to her. they don’t have to be negative responses, but she is bringing the negativity to the forefront of the discussion to begin with. you are correct, she doesn’t necessarily need to take “heat”, but she can’t be surprised that people don’t like her negative attitude and respond accordingly.

    stop defending “the lady” for no good reason, mr internet white knight. she has proven time and time again she can handle and defend herself.

  66. ANSKY April 2nd, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    I’m not too worried about Marte’s shoulder if it’s not like his injury. It’s probably just a little bump in the road of getting it back to ship shape. Not EVERY step along the road is a step forwards, much less the quantum leap forwards that the panic bloggers seem to expect. Could it be bad what he’s got going on with it today? Sure, that’s always possible. But let’s see how it shakes out before calling him a bust of Pavano-esque proportions.

  67. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 2nd, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    Betsy,

    Just my opinion, but why give such gravity to others’ reactions to your posts? If Tom B wants to expend his energies here shaking a reprimanding finger at you, well, that’s kind of on him….

    Say whatever you want. I find the incessant need to pre-empt and control the discourse around here to be far more suspect than your self-proclaimed pessimism.

    Yeah, we’re all obsessed with the Yankees, but it’s a game, in the end. Grownups with their humorless manual on how to root for the sport’s most famous team need to get themselves a life, or give up democratic online discussion.

  68. Brandon Awesome (B/c the KING of AWESOMMMMMMMMMME is here!) April 2nd, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    Damn you Damaso, *burns Marte jersey*

  69. SJ44 April 2nd, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    I’m going high. I think they win 105 this year.

    Too loaded and some quality depth in key spots in AAA.

    Only long term injuries to core guys can derail this team, IMO.

  70. Tom B April 2nd, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    bodhisattva – i don’t attack her opinions at all, i’m just telling her that she brings it upon herself.

  71. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 2nd, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    m April 2nd, 2010 at 12:03 pm
    Betsy,

    I know it’s hard. When I get talked down to, I do let me displeasure show. But you shouldn’t have to defend your right to speak each and every time. Just do it.
    =====

    Sage Hawaiian advice! ;) .

  72. CR9 April 2nd, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    stuckman

    Occasionally, rarely, I will respond with attacks when I am attacked to begin with.

    Your need to hold black and white beliefs, and attack others such as Betsy or myself, because you are unwilling (not unable) to think outside the box, is the real problem here.

  73. stuckey April 2nd, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    Rich,

    1.) My parents conceived me in the bathroom a cheap, greasy roadside eatery, and named me “Stuckey”

    2.) It’s not my real name.

    I’ll leave if or you to decide for youself.. :-)

  74. Rich in NJ April 2nd, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    If Betsy was dissing others in any way, I think it would be fine to attack her, but she’s merely expressing an opinion about the Yankees.

  75. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 2nd, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Before I get really upset, I’m going to just drop this…

  76. Giuseppe Franco April 2nd, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Not only is the bullpen far more talented than it was a season ago but you can reasonably expect the starters to log more innings due to the acquisition of a horse like Vazquez.

    Wang’s issues early in the season had a devastating effect on the pen. It was three Wang starts in a row where the pen was forced to throw about 8 IP.

    That pen was downright abused early in the season and the talent wasn’t near the level of the current group of relievers.

    Gotta feel pretty good about the pen this season despite the early aches.

  77. CR9 April 2nd, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Tom

    What an idiot. Defending her? Please.

    It is a constant problem on this site. Fans of the same team, the greatest team to exist in the world, insult one another constantly.

    It is absurd!

  78. Tom B April 2nd, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    cr9 – if you think that incessant worrying over every minute thing, every single day, is thinking outside of the box… you need to go back to college.

    the moral of the story is, if you come onto a public forum where every person has the right to respond just as you have the right to contribute your consistently negative attitude and expect to be treated anything other than harshly… you are only fooling yourself. garbage in, garbage out.

  79. Rishi April 2nd, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Chad –

    Not sure what’s going on on your end, but a new post would be great right about now

  80. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 2nd, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Bodh, I don’t care about posters like Tom B, who come in and out like a fly in someone’s mouth. It bothers me that I have to defend myself to my friends here…..esp. when I don’t think I’m out of line. Ok, so I said the pen wouldn’t be so fantastic – maybe I overreacted there, but it’s one line.

    Oh well.

  81. Tom B April 2nd, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    oh i forgot… go yanks :)

  82. CR9 April 2nd, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Rich

    You should be proud. I guess you are an internet white knight too ;)

  83. stuckey April 2nd, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    “I find the incessant need to pre-empt and control the discourse around here to be far more suspect than your self-proclaimed pessimism.”

    It’s not preempting or controlling the discourse, it’s IS the discourse.

  84. Brandon Awesome (B/c the KING of AWESOMMMMMMMMMME is here!) April 2nd, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Towers is on WFAN.

  85. CR9 April 2nd, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Tom

    Garbage in, Garbage out. Welcome Tom, Bye Tom!

  86. pat April 2nd, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Marte’s shoulder isn’t the only cranky thing around here today. :wink:

  87. Tom B April 2nd, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    Betsy – thank you for completely devaluing my opinion because I don’t spend every waking minute of every day posting my comments on this website. Now I see who you are.

  88. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 2nd, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    CR9 – :)

    That was very sweet. Again it’s posters like you who make me want to be around here. But people who constantly freak without even knowing whether there’s something to freak about just set me off. Maybe if a few of them would try some cyberprozac or something!

  89. The internet April 2nd, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    Welcome to the internet. No one is your friend here.

  90. Rishi April 2nd, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    trisha –

    I know what you mean…I ingore posts i think are excessive and try to find ways to redirect the conversation (sometimes with more success than others).

    I probably spend more time reading than I do actually posting, so it’s a bit different.

  91. Tom B April 2nd, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    cr9 – contrary to… your belief… i am on here all the time. who are you?

  92. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 2nd, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    If Aceves can’t pitch, insert melancon. If marte can’t pitch, see what Logan can give you. And there’s no rule that said you HAVE to pitch lefty to lefty. It’s ideal, but not mandatory.

    The bullpen will be the easiest thing to deal with.
    ====

    Agree. Having multiple arms that can move in and out is key – because some guys have an ‘off’ year or stretch after a good one out there, even if they’re healthy. Pitching is a fickle art – the more the merrier.

  93. Rich in NJ April 2nd, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Here’s some light reading to change the mood:

    http://twitter.com/rogerclemens/status/11373347508

  94. CB April 2nd, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Every turn through the rotation the yankee starters have a good chance to average 33 innings of games pitched.

    There’s 45 innings per each 5 game stretch. That leaves on average around 12 innings per 5 days the 7 guys in the bull pen will need to account for.

    Of those 12 innings Mo is likely to throw around 3. That leaves 9 innings for 6 arms. Of those 6 arms 3 are Robertson, Park and Chamberlain, 3 guys that can get out lefties.

    They’ll be fine because ultimately if the starting rotation does what it’s supposed to – give them length – the bull pen isn’t going to need to be very active.

  95. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 2nd, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    stuckey April 2nd, 2010 at 12:11 pm
    “I find the incessant need to pre-empt and control the discourse around here to be far more suspect than your self-proclaimed pessimism.”

    It’s not preempting or controlling the discourse, it’s IS the discourse.
    ====

    Ay, there’s the rub.

  96. CR9 April 2nd, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    I hardly contribute constant negativity to the blog.

    Heck, my “paranoid delusions :) ” last year had me believing Cody Ransom could contribute in the absence of ARod.

  97. La la la April 2nd, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Yikes… things seem a tad cliquish here.

  98. Tom B April 2nd, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    CB – those numbers seem pretty manageable, we have some incredibly “long” starters ont he roster right now.

  99. stuckey April 2nd, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    “Occasionally, rarely, I will respond with attacks when I am attacked to begin with.”

    I attacked you first, did?

    “Your need to hold black and white beliefs, and attack others such as Betsy or myself, because you are unwilling (not unable) to think outside the box, is the real problem here.”

    Here’s some thinking outside the box. Please respond to these simple questions

    1.) Do you believe in the concept of paranoia and do you believe there are paranoid people in this world.

    2.) If yes, do you believe paranoid people are self-aware of their paranoia, or do they genuinely believe their ideas are justified and they are seeing reality that others are blind too?

    3.) Of our two opposing positions, which one would most fairly be described of at least resemble or share common traits with what would be described as classicly paranoid position?

    If you can answer all three questions honestly, you may be on your way to self-awareness.

  100. BBFan April 2nd, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    People come here to have good time discussing Yankees.
    I agree with Trisha that it has become difficult to have that enjoyment.
    That is just because of a minority who worry about every little thing and flood the blog. When they are questioned they flood even more.

  101. Erin April 2nd, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    pat April 2nd, 2010 at 12:11 pm
    Marte’s shoulder isn’t the only cranky thing around here today.

    ****************************
    LOL

  102. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) April 2nd, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    “But people who constantly freak without even knowing whether there’s something to freak about just set me off. Maybe if a few of them would try some cyberprozac or something!”

    Have anybody in mind, particularly?

  103. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 2nd, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    SJ – got you for 105 and I actually think that’s going to be the winning number. (Why I didn’t pick it myself is a long story.)

  104. Rishi April 2nd, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    CF and 5th Starter competitions rigged…do you agree:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....LO07GnUe4I

    Trish – can you put me down for 100 – seems like a nice round number

  105. Rishi April 2nd, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    UPDATE, 11:42 p.m.: Alfredo Aceves will make his scheduled appearance today in a minor league game

  106. Tom B April 2nd, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    trisha is there a list of guesses somewhere? you can put me down for 104, same as last year (and i was soooooo close) :)

  107. CB April 2nd, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    The blog is really becoming far too melodramatic.

    It’s becoming about the fights and interrelationships between certain posters who can’t get along more than it is about baseball.

    Those fights generate comments back and forth. Then there is commentary on the commentary and so on and so on…

    And the people who recurrently get involved in these disputes are relentless. They just will not cede the point and move on.

    Arguments continue across multiple threads. No one outside of those involved in the spat could care less.

    It’s boring.

  108. BBFan April 2nd, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Trisha,

    I go with 107 wins.
    This team is too good inspite of Marte’s Cranky shoulder :)

  109. Derek Leader April 2nd, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    105 wins would rule.

  110. Joe from Long Island April 2nd, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    I’m with BBFan.

    Can everyone just chill for a bit? You know, step away from the keyboard, take a walk around the block, get an early lunch; maybe even make employers everywhere happy and do some work.

    There’s really no need to get crazy and all. If you find a particlular person’s comments annoying, don’t read them. Or take them for what they are.

    And remember…Let’s go Yankees! Right, that’s what we’re all here for.

  111. Tom B April 2nd, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    1trisha – i saw the link to the pdf… put me down for 103, i don’t want to steal your guess :)

  112. Erin April 2nd, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    Trisha, can you put me down for 101?

    Thank you :)

  113. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 2nd, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    Excuse me, Tom, but when you don’t post here and you have no idea who I am…..and then you insult me, I’m supposed to bite my tongue? I don’t care how often you post, but I’m not going to take insults from anyone.

  114. m April 2nd, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    When is the deadline? I’m torn between 99 and 100.

  115. BBFan April 2nd, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    “Arguments continue across multiple threads. No one outside of those involved in the spat could care less.

    It’s boring.”

    Well said CB.
    Hopefully these folks show some considreation for the others who come here for enjoyment.

  116. Joe from Long Island April 2nd, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    Put me down for 107. I think the pitching will dominate this year. And No. 28.

  117. pat April 2nd, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    Erin

    Now if I could only figure out how to throw everyone in a car seat and go for a drive until they sleep off the cranky……..hmmmm

  118. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 2nd, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Sorry to be boring, CB – I didn’t start this. I’m sorry I even posted, to be honest.

  119. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 2nd, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Crawdaddy – go back to the night Tex was hit by a pitch and read all of the posts leading up to the announcement that he was fine. You would have thought he had been shot through the heart. I can understand people saying they’re holding they’re breath and then moving on. But the oh my God, the world is coming to an end, who will we get now, forget it the team isn’t going to win anything, continual ridiculousness without ever waiting to find out the real deal. That kind of nutiness may work for a lot of people but it doesn’t for me. So shoot me.

  120. pat April 2nd, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    CB

    Well said.

  121. Tom B April 2nd, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    Betsy – How did I insult you? Saying that you have a negative attitude is damn near a fact, judging you by your posts on this website.

    I post here all the time for nearly 3 years now, I have no idea why you are talking about me like I don’t. We have had discussions before, this offseason in fact. Just because I’m not all buddy-buddy with your little clique of people that seemingly have no jobs and can post on here every 3 minutes all day, doesn’t mean I can’t weigh my opinion on your constant absurdity. I have to read through and wade through the posts on here just like everyone else.

    Welcome to the internet, where your opinion doesn’t count for more than anyone elses.

  122. Erin April 2nd, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    pat April 2nd, 2010 at 12:24 pm
    Erin

    Now if I could only figure out how to throw everyone in a car seat and go for a drive until they sleep off the cranky……..hmmmm

    ****************************
    lol
    I think you’d have to have a REALLY big car. ;)

  123. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy April 2nd, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Wow, you guys are hypocrites. Calling Betsy pessimistic and then making predictions like 105, 101, 100, 99, etc. wins.

    Phewww 161 wins for me. Now that is realism and optimism.

  124. CR9 April 2nd, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Paranoia or conspiracy is the word that others use when they see things in black and white, and cant open their mind to other possibilities.

    When I leave this blog, I don’t think about the Red Sox at all. I watch ESPN rarely, go to ESPN.com rarely. I avoid the things I know to upset me.

    That’s pretty self-aware.

    __

    I gather that you’re not a scientist, Stuckey.

  125. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 2nd, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Thanks, Rishi.

    Never bought the Gardner-in-center ruse from One.

    Maybe the Yanks were slightly concerned about Curtis’ eyesight, but he’s a better CF in nearly every aspect and it’s not really even close.

  126. Joe from Long Island April 2nd, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    LGY – :)

  127. SJ44 April 2nd, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Trisha,

    I would continue to hang out here if I were you.

    I’d just stay away from the game posts when the games begin because that’s unfortunately when the overemotional children take over the blog and bring it down.

    I’d also stat away if the Yankees have the AUDACITY to EVER lose 3 games in a row.

    That’s when some become suicidal and use this place to keep them from jumping.

    Personally, I hope more will jump but, that’s just me.

    Overall, while it’s gone down a bit, it’s still a good place to hangout and talk Yankee Baseball.

  128. Tom B April 2nd, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    LGY – which game are we going to lose? i hope you have good reason for us to lose one game!

  129. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) April 2nd, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Trisha,

    I was joking with you, as we all know who you’re talking about because it’s come up again and again whether with Tex, Cervelli, Marte, Posada or name the player. What are you going to do? It is, what it is.

  130. stuckey April 2nd, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    “Hopefully these folks show some considreation for the others who come here for enjoyment.”

    I genuinely hope I’m not the only person who appreciates the irony of people for chastising some people for chastising other people… :-)

    It’s ALL a part of public discourse.

    NO one is telling Betsy not to post her thoughts. They’re/we’re telling Betsy she doesn’t need to worry and explaining why, solely based on baseball terms.

    There is a significant difference.

  131. Tom B April 2nd, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    CR9 – scientists don’t chase things that they know upset them, they chase things they don’t understand. there’s a fairly large difference there.

  132. CB April 2nd, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    Betsy,

    I wasn’t referring to you in particular. It seems like there are multiple fights going on at all times now. There are fights that are continued from not only threads prior – but from days prior.

    And the worst of them are with those people who really are relentless. They will never give up their point and so it goes back and forth.

    And that aspect of things has gotten worse over time and even since last year.

  133. Derek Leader April 2nd, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    We will lose one game to the Dodgers as Jeter, Andy, Mo, Posada and Girardi will be out have some drinks with Torre and Mattingly.

  134. Erin April 2nd, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    I can totally start a Sesame Street conversation if necessary. Nobody can be angry discussing the Street. :D

  135. Tom B April 2nd, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    you all fought and ruined the threaded comments feature they tried to give us. a feature that would allow everyone to not have to read the incessant infighting going on here.

  136. Derek Leader April 2nd, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    *having.

  137. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 2nd, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    This is my favorite 2010 prediction so far.

    Please note the ALCS

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....lseasonpre

  138. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 2nd, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Erin April 2nd, 2010 at 12:32 pm
    I can totally start a Sesame Street conversation if necessary. Nobody can be angry discussing the Street.
    **************

    I can assist you in such matter!

  139. Derek Leader April 2nd, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Listen to the Dave Chappelle bit about Sesame Street… That will get some great Sesame Street discussion going.

  140. m April 2nd, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    Betsy,

    Don’t be sorry. But you can’t get mad at people for their opinions no matter how rude they are.

    You should be able to say, “Aceves’ back concerns me.”

    And someone else could say, “Yah. me, too. Back issues never seem to go away.”

    And someone else could say, “Jeez, Betsy. You gotta worry about every little thing?”

    One of those is worthy of a response. You’ll be amazed at how good you’ll feel for being the bigger person.

    You can’t control what others say, but you can stop the endless cycle that seems to spin out of control.

    “Stop the Insanity!” (that’s a joke. bonus points to Betsy if she can figure out who’s famous for saying that)

  141. stuckey April 2nd, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    “Paranoia or conspiracy is the word that others use when they see things in black and white, and cant open their mind to other possibilities.”

    If you were open to other possibilities, you’d answer the questions asked.

    “When I leave this blog, I don’t think about the Red Sox at all. I watch ESPN rarely, go to ESPN.com rarely. I avoid the things I know to upset me.”

    Then your theories are based on an uninformed position. How can you accurately judge something you admit you have little knowledge of?

    “That’s pretty self-aware.”

    In Bizarro wold, perhaps.

    “I gather that you’re not a scientist, Stuckey.”

    Nope. But I know when someone just admitted to ignorance when I see it.

  142. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 2nd, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Stuckey, I’m fine with people explaining why it’s not a concern, but being told (even in a nice way) that I’m freaking out (in other words) is not something I appreciate hearing. I happen to disagree about Aceves and Marte being not worthy of concern, but at this point, I’m dropping the stupid issue.

    CB, I apologize, but it always seems like I’m in the middle of things – which I hate. I hate that this what today turned into when it’s not what I intended. I’m obviously going to have to adjust my posting style.

  143. BBFan April 2nd, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Trisha,

    From my perspective you are a positive and realistic presence here.
    When you make a point you give your sound reasoning behind it.
    Hang on :)
    The negative Nancies can spoil our enjoyment only that long :)

  144. William Buckner April 2nd, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    I think it’s amazing that we have SJ guessing on 105 W. For some of the long timers here, it was two short seasons ago when those with sense were explaining how they were in flux and needed some rebuilding.

    2008 was a very tough year to sit through for many reason.

    2009 WS, 2010 can be the same and with some interesting pieces in the minors, this could be another nice run.

    High praise should go to Cashman and his team.

  145. Erin April 2nd, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 2nd, 2010 at 12:33 pm
    Erin April 2nd, 2010 at 12:32 pm
    I can totally start a Sesame Street conversation if necessary. Nobody can be angry discussing the Street.
    **************

    I can assist you in such matter!

    *************************
    I knew you would! Sesame Street Mafia always sticks together :)

    I’m thinking most underrated character. I’m torn between Guy Smiley and Don Music

  146. NYY626 April 2nd, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 2nd, 2010 at 12:33 pm
    This is my favorite 2010 prediction so far.

    Please note the ALCS

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne…..lseasonpre
    _________________________________________________________________________
    Nice link Erica :) I’m always torn between craving the drama of tha yanks/sox alcs and wanting to avoid it at all costs. I’m going to Fenway on sunday and my stomach already hurts from stress lol.

  147. CR9 April 2nd, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    My point about scientists was that they are willing to think outside the box, and consider possibilities that others will not.

  148. Rishi April 2nd, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    William Buckner April 2nd, 2010 at 12:35 pm
    I think it?s amazing that we have SJ guessing on 105 W. For some of the long timers here, it was two short seasons ago when those with sense were explaining how they were in flux and needed some rebuilding.

    2008 was a very tough year to sit through for many reason.

    2009 WS, 2010 can be the same and with some interesting pieces in the minors, this could be another nice run.

    High praise should go to Cashman and his team
    ==============================================

    I agree 100%, what a change between 2008 and 2009…

  149. Tom B April 2nd, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    cr9 – do not make assumptions that, when a person posts an opinion, they have not already considered the other possibilities.

  150. CR9 April 2nd, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Stuckey

    You’re obviously one of those people that enjoy starting controversy, and feed off the controversy, refusing to acknowledge when you might be wrong.

    You won’t be fed by me any longer!

    :)

  151. Erin April 2nd, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    NYY626 April 2nd, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    I’m going to Fenway on sunday and my stomach already hurts from stress lol.

    *************************
    That’s so cool! I’m jealous. You’ll have to give a full report :)

  152. Dave F April 2nd, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    Erin, Erica,

    As the conversation seemed to get a little cranky, I thought of both of you having such a discussion to lighten the mood a little. I’m sure I wasn’t the only one! :)

  153. Rishi April 2nd, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    this is just disgusting
    ————————-
    “By itself, the Tim Lincecum(notes) bobblehead doll giveaway set for July 17 probably would guarantee a sellout crowd at AT&T Park, with lines around stretching the block to ensure they’re early enough to get theirs.

    But the ad wizards at 24 Willie Mays Plaza have kicked things up a notch, adding an unusual feature to a select number of Timmy’s dolls sure to make them, uh, unique collectibles.

    No, it’s not anything like that. This is a different kind of madness altogether.

    The first 20,000 fans will get a Tiny Tim bobblehead, but only six will be “lucky” enough to walk away with one that features real human hair.

    Yes, you read that right.”

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bl.....mlb,231646

  154. upstate kate April 2nd, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    I don’t agree w/ all their picks Erica, but I do like the final outcome :)

    NYY626, I am w/ you about the Yankees/sox drama, I was happy this year that the Angels took care of them for us. Have fun at the game, we will expect a full report

  155. pat April 2nd, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    You know who’s not cranky today? Brian Cashman!

    BryanHoch Yanks GM Brian Cashman says he’s not particularly concerned about injuries to Jorge Posada & Francisco Cervelli, nor Damaso Marte.

  156. tex's friend April 2nd, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Yankees will be 97-65 and 4 up on boston.

  157. Joe from Long Island April 2nd, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Yeah, Buckner, Cash has really done a nice job of altering the Yanks’ philosophy over the past few years of just buying the biggest names, and doing so while still being competitive. Using the FA market to fill in the holes, or where speciall values exist (like going for Winn and Park, players who Cash was surprised were even going to be available).

    I think this is more in line with Hal’s business sense – why buy something at a premium price, when I can get the same productiion at a lower price/value (like developing young players Pena, Cisco, Phil, Joba, Ace…).

    As has been suggested before, the inteliignet use of Yankees biggest advantage – money – sets the team up for many, many years ahead.

  158. Abe Peterham April 2nd, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    this white background stinks

  159. CR9 April 2nd, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Tom

    I respect your opinion, but IMO, when others are quick to throw the words “conspiracy” and “paranoia” around, then they are not considering another possibility.

    I never even said that my opinion was fact. My opinion is just that, an opinion. There are certainly others that agree with my opinion, as there are others that disagree with my opinion.

    Apologies for the “garbage in, garbage out” comment. I didn’t like your “white knight” comment, as that was not my intention. My intention is to try to get Yankees fans to get along with one another, the way Red Sox fans all do.

    Just an example, one Red Sox fan talks about wanting to put a bullet through Mariano’s head, and every other Red Sox fan jumps on the bandwagon and praises the the guy’s desire. That’s just the way Red Sox fans are. They have each other’s backs. Yankees fans do not. Sad, to say the least.

  160. stuckey April 2nd, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    “Stuckey, I’m fine with people explaining why it’s not a concern, but being told (even in a nice way) that I’m freaking out (in other words) is not something I appreciate hearing.”

    Besty, I submit it’s a little hard to get a read on you and how you’re going to react. Sometimes you seem self-aware of your worry-wart nature and take a little ribbing about it and are even self-depricating about it in good humor.

    Sometimes you seem to resent the implication and show a quick fuse.

    Just understand it’s hard for someone not you to understand when you’ll admit you’re worrying too much and when you think your worrying is entirely justified.

    “I happen to disagree about Aceves and Marte being not worthy of concern, but at this point, I’m dropping the stupid issue.”

    Its not about not being concerned about Aceves and Marte, its about keeping the concern in perspective. Honestly, I think they both can and will be strong contributors, but if I found out tomorrow both were lost for the season, I’m not sure my expectations for the season would change all that much. THAT’s how good and deep the Yankees are.

    As I said earlier. Come to terms with the fact key players WILL get injured this year, because it’s as sure a thing in life as there is.

    I genuinely (whether you believe it or not) wish you’d simply enjoy the ride more than you SEEMINGLY do (fairly, I can only guess based on your postings here, and it doesn’t seem to me like you’re ever much comfortable or enjoying the ride much).

  161. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 2nd, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Frankly, it is not the worrying about every little thing; it is the constant harping on the person who worries about every little thing and then the back and forth that ensues about whether people have the right to worry, criticize the worrying or criticize the criticsm. That’s what the problem is.

    Betsy has never pretended that she doesn’t worry. If you know this about her, then her posts shouldn’t bother you. If they do, or if you don’t agree, or you can’t state your opinion without chastising her for hers, then skip over her posts.

    It would be silly to expect everyone to agree here; it would be silly to expect everyone to experience their fandom in the same manner.

    And it’s not just this stuff today with Betsy. It was the other night that Trisha was referencing, I believe. The arguments go on and on and on, as if it’s a matter of honor. Who cares who is right and who is wrong here?

    It’s totally frustrating. And no, I don’t want to sit around here singing kumbaya, holding hands, with everyone in total agreement. I just wish these tangential reprimand-y type “discussions” would stop. They take over and ruin the mood!

  162. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 2nd, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Rish, have you for 100

    Tom B you are staying at 104. I don’t mind the company! (unless you really want to go to 103 and then I’ll change it)

    BBFan, got ya for 107

    Derek Leader got you at 105

    Erin – got you for 101

    Mel, you have until the end of ST.

    Joe from LI – got you for 107

    *******************************

    SJ, thanks. And boy oh boy are you right about game threads. How about complaints even when the Yankees are winning the game! God forbid our pitcher du jour doesn’t have a perfect game.

    *******************************

    Craw – :)

    ********************

    I’ll post the updated chart in a few minutes.

  163. Erin April 2nd, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    pat April 2nd, 2010 at 12:43 pm
    You know who’s not cranky today? Brian Cashman!

    BryanHoch Yanks GM Brian Cashman says he’s not particularly concerned about injuries to Jorge Posada & Francisco Cervelli, nor Damaso Marte

    ************************
    That’s good news!

  164. Erin April 2nd, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Dave F April 2nd, 2010 at 12:41 pm
    Erin, Erica,

    As the conversation seemed to get a little cranky, I thought of both of you having such a discussion to lighten the mood a little. I’m sure I wasn’t the only one!

    **********************
    Thanks Dave! :)

  165. Erin April 2nd, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    New Post: New site

  166. Tom B April 2nd, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    Rishi – Cashman owes all praise he receives to Omar Minaya, who proved that you can’t just run a team with money. :)

  167. champ809 April 2nd, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    Trish

    put me down for 102 wins for this juggernaut!

  168. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 2nd, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    New thread :arrow:

    I am responding to people there!

  169. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 2nd, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    For the record, and on topic, I am concerned about Marte and Aceves, but not about the Yankees’ bullpen.

  170. NYY626 April 2nd, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Erin April 2nd, 2010 at 12:40 pm
    NYY626 April 2nd, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    I’m going to Fenway on sunday and my stomach already hurts from stress lol.

    *************************
    That’s so cool! I’m jealous. You’ll have to give a full report
    _________________________________________________________________________
    Will do! I know its a Holy Day on sunday and everything but I’m not promising to stay out of trouble ;)

  171. Rishi April 2nd, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    :arrow:

    new post: New Site

  172. Tom B April 2nd, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    trisha – then i’ll stay at 104, and we’ll just be right. :)

  173. stuckey April 2nd, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    “You’re obviously one of those people that enjoy starting controversy, and feed off the controversy, refusing to acknowledge when you might be wrong.”

    See, and here I was this whole time assuming that advocating that the media is NOT complicate with aiding and abetting the Red Sox was the NON-controversial position.

    Who knew…

    “I respect your opinion, but IMO, when others are quick to throw the words “conspiracy” and “paranoia” around, then they are not considering another possibility.”

    No, that’s the assumption of the paranoid and intellectually pedestrian.

    Did you ever consider people who use those words HAVE duly considered all the possibilities and STILL arrived at the conclusion the theory is paranoid?

    YOU just argued that anyone who doesn’t agree with you does so only because they won’t consider your viewpoint, rather than consider it and reject in on merit.

    And THAT sir, IS paranoia.

    J”ust an example, one Red Sox fan talks about wanting to put a bullet through Mariano’s head, and every other Red Sox fan jumps on the bandwagon and praises the the guy’s desire. That’s just the way Red Sox fans are. They have each other’s backs. Yankees fans do not. Sad, to say the least.”

    So you advocate Yankees fans supporting other Yankees fans who wish murder on Red Sox players?

    Did you really just write that proudly in a public forum?

  174. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 2nd, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    BBFan, thanks. I have always appreciated your kindred spirit. :)

    Tex’s Friend, I have you for 97.

  175. Tom B April 2nd, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    cr9 – i’m posting this here just to keep the cranky conversation hopefully away from the new post.

    i don’t personally view disagreeing with someone’s opinion as not having the same goals in mind. what i try to promote is intelligent discussion, regardless of who or what someone believes. i don’t think any of us are really guilty for the things we are talking about here. some people have trouble separating their strong personal beliefs from what may be viewed by others as personal attacks.

    just like my last 2 comments, its all about being careful what you assume about the person you are replying to. someone like myself or stuckey post some very strong opinions. even though they’re often decidedly one-sided in nature(and we don’t often agree either), I can assure you that contrarian viewpoints have already been considered, evaluated, and disregarded before any opinion of my own is presented. i can tell by the manner and thought that stuckey puts into his posts that he does much of the same.

    i’ve… completely lost my train of thought, sorry if that doesn’t make a lot of sense… but i think we are settled here. :)

    oh yeah, and go yanks! :)

  176. rj April 2nd, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Betsy really needs to STFU. What an annoying person.

  177. Chuck58 April 2nd, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    rj, coming in 90 minutes later is a cheap shot.
    -1


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