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Burnett and Posada, together again

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After Tuesday’s game, A.J. Burnett made a point of pulling Jorge Posada aside and thanking him for blocking some early curveballs that were thrown in the dirt.

“When he’s blocking 57 footers early, you keep throwing them, absolutely,” Burnett said.

The two worked well together on Tuesday, and Burnett’s curveball became a better pitch later in the game.

“Really going out of his way to make me feel good, I appreciate that,” Posada said.

Clearly the Yankees felt there was some sort of disconnect last season. At the very least, they preferred Burnett’s connection to Jose Molina. It never seemed to be a personal issue, but Burnett and Posada have worked to get past whatever on-field communication issues might have existed a year ago.

“I was so at ease out there, just working with him,” Burnett said

Here’s Burnett’s postgame audio.

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Here’s the Posada audio. He started talking about Burnett but went into Joba Chamberlain’s outing and the Boston pitching staff.

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156 Responses to “Burnett and Posada, together again”

  1. Juliet April 7th, 2010 at 11:52 am

    I would still start Molina when Burnett pitches if I were Girardi. They just seem to have chemistry and the stats show that. It’s not like Burnett pitched well yesterday with Posada (4R, 5IP)

  2. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2010 at 11:52 am

    I’d think that Posada getting the chance to work with Burnett in spring training has much to do with working together better. He didn’t have that chance last year and hitting against him isn’t the same as trying to catch him. Clearly, Burnett has to be one of the most difficult pitchers in baseball to catch, given the movement and control that comes and goes, many times from pitch to pitch.

  3. belial April 7th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    “Lackey go right after someone in that bandbox field. Lackey still has nightmares from all those poundings he has taken in Fenway & against the Bronx. If Beckett & Lester gave up a ton of runs, I wonder how many DL Lackey will?”

    All those poundings?

    Over the last five years, Lackey has about a 3.30 ERA vs the yanks.

  4. Erin April 7th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    It’s great that AJ and Posada are committed to working together this year.

  5. CR9 April 7th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Alan

    I’m not complaining about taking him out. It was the right move, and it worked out beautifully.

    I am not even complaining at all, I am merely questioning the decision to put him in, rather than leave in Ace for that one batter.

    My point is, you cannot ‘mix and match’ too often against the Red Sox and waste your best/good relievers for one batter.

    If Joe knew that if Dave gave up a hit, that Joe was going to take him out for Marte, then he should not have been in there to begin with.

  6. upstate kate April 7th, 2010 at 11:55 am

    wait, what??? Molina is the back up catcher for the Blue Jays, they probably wont let him catch AJ anymore :)

  7. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 7th, 2010 at 11:55 am

    I think AJ and Jorge are getting tired of this and I’m glad AJ said that he wasn’t going to answer any more questions on it. The media doesn’t believe them anyway; articles are all over the web (from Davidoff down) saying how they shouldn’t be “forced” to work together. Please…

    AJ and Jorge did fantastically in June/July; why is Posada not an issue with the other pitchers? When they have a bad game, it’s just a bad game. When AJ has a bad game, it’s the end of the world. They’re both emotional, passionate people, which is ok; I think it’s never bad to be passionate. They’re also good guys who were put into a bad position and who were unfortunately both embarrassed last year. AJ was made to look selfish, which he is not – he’s a great teammate. Jorge was made to look incompetent, which he is not. The whole thing really stank like houseguests who overstay their welcome.

  8. Erin April 7th, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Juliet April 7th, 2010 at 11:52 am
    I would still start Molina when Burnett pitches if I were Girardi.

    ********************
    That might be difficult, considering Molina’s in Toronto.

  9. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Juliet April 7th, 2010 at 11:52 am
    I would still start Molina when Burnett pitches if I were Girardi. They just seem to have chemistry and the stats show that. It’s not like Burnett pitched well yesterday with Posada (4R, 5IP)

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    do you think that Toronto would loan Molina to the Yankees every 5th day?

  10. Wave Your Hat April 7th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Hey belial, Nick is 3 for 8 with a walk against Lackey. I hope Lackey goes right at him too.

    Who says Red Sox fans and Yankee fans can’t agree?

  11. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 7th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    GB, I definitely agree that Jorge not being able to catch much of the time in ST set them back a bit. Well, these are both genuine guys and I believe everything they are saying.

  12. m April 7th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Doesn’t every team have a Molina?

  13. pat April 7th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Kumbaya

  14. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    pat April 7th, 2010 at 11:57 am
    Kumbaya

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    Is he the new Yankee shortstop of the future?

  15. belial April 7th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    “Hey belial, Nick is 3 for 8 with a walk against Lackey. I hope Lackey goes right at him too.

    Who says Red Sox fans and Yankee fans can’t agree?”

    With NJ’s lack of bat-speed, he’ll be fortunate to get 3 hits in a week.

    I can’t wait until Johnson actually has to swing the bat, lol.

  16. Pat M. April 7th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    It may not show up tonight, but in time we’re going to see John Lackey pitching away from the Green Monster…….A couple of mistake curveballs will have Lackey seeking the outside part of the plate with # 2……

  17. Roger(live from Amsterdam) April 7th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    Name that Molina…

    But who’s Cervelli gonne catch this year?Hughes?

  18. blake April 7th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    I think I’d like nothing more than to give Lackey a not so warm welcome to the AL east tonight.

  19. m April 7th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    I wanna see how Lackey reacts when Scutaro makes an error behind him. :evil:

  20. Erin April 7th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    m April 7th, 2010 at 11:57 am
    Doesn?t every team have a Molina?

    *********************
    LOL

  21. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 7th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Since this has been one of my favorite topics :) I will repeat what I said last night. IMO the biggest success out of last night’s game was the apparent ease with which Jorge and AJ worked. It was no secret to anyone with eyes that they had some uncomfortable moments with each other last season and it affected their ability to get the job done. I agree with GB that their not being able to work together for an entire ST last season definitely had an impact on the rest of the season.

    AJ said that there were problems last year and that there are no longer any problems. Since I see him as a stand-up guy I have no reason to disbelieve either thing.

    IMO their mending of fences is going to be a huge key to the Yankees overall success this season.

    YOU GO JORGE AND AJ!!!!!

  22. CountryClub April 7th, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    With NJ’s lack of bat-speed, he’ll be fortunate to get 3 hits in a week.

    I can’t wait until Johnson actually has to swing the bat, lol.

    ————————-

    You should be more concerned with your own DH when it comes to bat speed.

  23. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 7th, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    What a cute picture, lol

  24. murphydog April 7th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    If you’ll allow me a courtesy, I would like to re-post from the last thread:

    “And pitchers will begin to just throw batting practice fastballs down the middle since he can’t hit (slow bat like Ortiz). No reason to nibble against that guy. In fact, I’ll bet Lackey goes right after him tonight.”

    belial you’re a bold talker. Lets see whether the facts support you.

    Johnson’s OBP 426 was third in MLB last year behind Mauer at 444 and Fat Albert at 443. (I suppose those other two jerks can’t hit either).

    Johnson had a .291 batting average (he sucks) and 133 hits and 99 walks in 457 plate appearances.

    Fail.

  25. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 7th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Cervelli will catch guys when Jorge needs a day off; I don’t think Phil will have a personal catcher.

  26. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 7th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    I don’t think it’s going to make a big difference who Cervelli catches since he seems to have the kind of personality that works well with any pitcher. The kid is an effective sweetheart. :)

    I would think that Girardi would use him as any back-up catcher is used when there aren’t other problems going on. Every 5th day, a day game after a night game, whenever he feels Jorge needs a break.

  27. JCPD..... April 7th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    belial April 7th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
    “Hey belial, Nick is 3 for 8 with a walk against Lackey. I hope Lackey goes right at him too.

    Who says Red Sox fans and Yankee fans can’t agree?”

    With NJ’s lack of bat-speed, he’ll be fortunate to get 3 hits in a week.

    I can’t wait until Johnson actually has to swing the bat, lol.

    You mean like Ortiz? And I look forward to Ortiz continuing to swing the bat the way he is!!!!

  28. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Pat M. April 7th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
    It may not show up tonight, but in time we’re going to see John Lackey pitching away from the Green Monster…….A couple of mistake curveballs will have Lackey seeking the outside part of the plate with # 2……

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    Pat, if he goes to that pattern and loses the feel for pitching inside, the Yankees (especially Jeter and Rodriguez) will eat him alive in YS and so will Baltimore.

  29. MTU (aka GBURL) April 7th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    My guess is that Girardi would like to use Jorge in about 120 games this season.

    That leaves approximately 42 for Cervelli.

  30. Jim April 7th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    pheww. at least we won that game.

  31. m April 7th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Johnson can’t hit. So they throw balls instead of strikes? Huh!

  32. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes April 7th, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    belial,

    if scutaro keeps throwing to 1B like he did last night and if okajima keeps walking in runs, we don’t really need to worry about NJ’s bat speed.

  33. murphydog April 7th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    “Johnson can’t hit. So they throw balls instead of strikes? Huh!”

    :) LMAO!

  34. pat April 7th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    “I wanna see how Lackey reacts when Scutaro makes an error behind him.”

    If they can steal a few bases before that, it could be quite a show.

  35. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy April 7th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    As most know I was a huge proponent of Nick hitting 2nd and most of the reasons have been covered in last thread.

    But, for the people that want speed in the 2 hole: You then have Gardner, Jeter, and Granderson hitting back-to back-to back. All your speed is then concentrated in one part of the lineup and IMO a lot of the advantage of their speed is wasted.

    Is that really ideal?

  36. blake April 7th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Breaking news from ESPN…big papi’s bat just made it through the zone from last nights game.

  37. Bad Scooter April 7th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Great point m. If Nick is such a bad hitter, why not throw him strikes? Why would they walk such a god awful hitter 4 times and hit him once?

  38. DYD INDA WUL April 7th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    Scooter

    Because the sox through up mediocre pitching.

  39. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    pat April 7th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
    “I wanna see how Lackey reacts when Scutaro makes an error behind him.”

    If they can steal a few bases before that, it could be quite a show

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    I think everyone saw how Girardi felt about Martinez’ ability to throw when he ran Cano with Posada at the plate and no outs.

  40. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes April 7th, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Bad Scooter,

    I think certain people have a misconception as to what defines a “good” hitter.

    NJ is a diff’t type of hitter than Damon or Matsui. He is far more patient, less aggressive, and lacks the power those two did, but he will give us a much higher OBP, will drive up pitch counts just as well as Damon or Matsui, and WILL hit the ball over the course of the season.

    The biggest knock anyone can legitimately have on NJ is his injury history. He has to stay healthy in order to be effective. Duh.

    I think its far too early to judge NJ. I’m looking forward to a full season with him at DH in Pinstripes.

  41. DYD INDA WUL April 7th, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    **correction** “threw out”

  42. MTU (aka GBURL) April 7th, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Blake-
    “Breaking news from ESPN…big papi’s bat just made it through the zone from last nights game.”

    The panama canal zone ?

    I bet they’ll put out another one when it arrives in America at the plate. :)

  43. m April 7th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Bad Scooter,

    On top of that, if opposing teams think Nick’s going to just stand there and try to draw walks then why not just pour ‘em down the pipe?

    Mabye, the other teams are smarter than that? And maybe Nick’s patience drives pitchers nuts because he doesn’t swing at their waste pitches?

  44. Jose April 7th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Anyone else sick of the Burnett/Posada relationship stories? The media is making it out to be way more than it is. Are we going to have to read stories about this after every start? UGH.

  45. Matt April 7th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    The Yankees got to Beckett and Lester early. Both C.C. and A.J. were formidable although not at mid season form. The bullpen was responsible for the 1st game loss and to their credit, for the 2nd game win.
    Lackey’s record in Boston is less than stellar. The Yankees showed he can be hit in last year’s ALCS.
    Let’s hope Andy gets heavy run support tonight and tune up for the upcoming series with the Rays.

  46. MTU (aka GBURL) April 7th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    NJ’s walk last illustrates perfectly the value a superb batting eye can have on a game.

    I’ll take as many of the those as I can get. ;)

  47. pat April 7th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    “Is that really ideal?”

    For me, the question comes down to, is Nick Johnson more likely to score from 1st with Tex and Alex hitting behind him or Swisher and Gardner?

    Odds of lots more jogging and lots less running preceding Tex and Alex.

  48. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes April 7th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Jose, I agree completely.

    The sad thing is that if AJ goes out and has a bad start because his stuff isn’t there that given day, it’ll ultimately be chalked up to Posada and his inability to work together which is a complete farce.

    Hopefully Chad and Sam won’t beat the dead horse every start. I intend to ignore the coverage of this topic altogether.

    I thought Jorge caught a good game last night.

  49. Rick April 7th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Even with a slight weight loss, Ortiz runs to 1st base like it was the electric chair. He can’t catch up with good pitches and has to cheat.

  50. MTU (aka GBURL) April 7th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    last “night”

  51. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    The real concern is not Teixeira, Johnson, sabathia, Burnett or even the bullpen. It’s Cano’s continued inability to get a hit with a runner in scoring position in 2 games.

    Now that somebody has said it, perhaps, we can go a week without somebody whining about it.

  52. Patrick April 7th, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    I actually think Johnson will have more power this year than fans expect.

  53. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes April 7th, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    pat, i think the importance of NJ’s speed (or lack-there-of) is being a little bit overhyped. just my take.

  54. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 7th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    “Anyone else sick of the Burnett/Posada relationship stories? The media is making it out to be way more than it is. Are we going to have to read stories about this after every start? UGH.”

    Jose, I think you’ll see as the season goes on and they continue to work well with each other, the press will go on to other things.

    The media did not make more of it than it was, IMO. It made some Yankee fans very uncomfortable to have to deal with it as a reality, but when professional players picked up on it and talked about it as much as the media did, and when Girardi made some decisions that didn’t favor the matchup, you had to respect that there was something going on.

    Happily, it appears that it has worked itself out. Patience is a virtue. Once the press realizes it doesn’t need to be addressed anymore, it won’t be. But in fairness to the press, it was really a big story last year (again, despite the faint of heart not wanting to deal with it), so it was predictable that it would carry over into the season.

    It’s all good.

  55. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 7th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Time to begin today’s edition of Guess The Line Up. Lineups will be accepted from now until 3 p.m. If you need a refresher on the rules, please click on my name. Remember to include positions next to the players’ names.

    Good luck everyone! :)

  56. pat April 7th, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    Yankees Magazine on YES has Mama CC on it and it is very apparent where CC gets his personality from.

  57. William Buckner April 7th, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    My biggest concern of the first two games has been the length.

    Good thing they got the message from the commissioners office. 4 hours. OMG!!

  58. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 7th, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....the_y.html

    Cano’s improved approach….

  59. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes April 7th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    Did anyone happen to catch John Sterling’s assertion last night that the Sox 1-4 hitters are better than the Yankees’ 1-4???

    That is HIGHLY debatable. I was kind of shocked to hear him say that to be honest.

    NJ is the only question mark in that bunch, but Jeter, Tex, and ARod? Give me a break. I guarantee you 99% of GMs across baseball would rather have those three than Pedroia, Martinez, and Youkilis.

    That’s not to say that the Boston top 4 isn’t solid because obviously they are. But better than the Yanks? Uh, nope.

  60. SJ44 April 7th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    The whole thing was overblown last year and I think Girardi realizes he compounded it by assigning Molina as AJ’s personal catcher.

    New year, fresh start, and they are fine. They were last year except for a couple of instances that happens to EVERY pitcher-catcher relationship.

    Jorge got a bad rap last year and I’m glad AJ is such a standup teammate and has his back.

  61. Uncle Vito April 7th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Time to take the series tonight….ANDY will outpitch another ugly RedSux player….I mean, really, the ugly stick got some overtime on this team….take a look at their team picture,,,,ACK ! :-)

  62. Jose April 7th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    William,

    The length is what every Yanks/Sox game is like. I happen to like it that way. So much tension and strategy every pitch. It’s like playoff baseball!

  63. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 7th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Patrick-

    I am a little in love with Heath Bell today :-)

  64. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 7th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    SJ, exactly……AJ’s comments don’t surprise me; he’s proven to be an exceptional teammate. I felt badly for both of them; if I get aggravated about it, it’s my fault for reading the newspapers. They’re never going to give up the ghost, so I just accept it and deal with the reality (while they deal in fantasy or science fiction).

  65. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 7th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    Sterling is Sterling – clueless.

  66. Erin April 7th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    SS Jeter
    DH Johnson
    1B Teixeira
    3B Rodriguez
    2B Cano
    C Posada
    CF Granderson
    RF Swisher
    LF Gardner

    Thanks :)

  67. BD - (Boston Dave) April 7th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    I think tonight will come down to Andy.

    He’s struggled at Fenway (many do).

    I think the bats will get the job done.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if there are 15+ total runs tonight.

  68. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 7th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Derek Jeter SS
    Nick Johnson DH
    Mark Teixiera 1B
    A-Rod 3B
    Robbie “RISP YAY” Cano 2B
    Jorge Posada C
    Curtis Granderson CF
    Nick Swisher RF
    GGBG LF

    Thanks Doreen :-)

  69. pat April 7th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Mad Prince

    I agree. Johnson isn’t a burner but he’s not a slug. I saw him score from 1st on a double and go 1st to 3rd in ST games.

    But even for those who believe he’s a slug, to me a slug on base is more valuable than a rabbit who makes outs in front of 2 guys who have the Slugging %’s Tex and Alex do.

  70. blake April 7th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Mad Prince,

    That’s not highly questionable, that’s crazy talk.

  71. Erin April 7th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Betsy – Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 7th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde…..the_y.html

    Cano?s improved approach?.

    ***********************
    Thanks for the link Betsy!!

  72. Pat M. April 7th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    It’ll of interest tonight to see how sharp and how much stamina Andy Petitte displays considering how little work he had this spring

  73. SJ44 April 7th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Now AJ has to mean what he says when he says he won’t talk about it anymore.

    The media won’t bring it up with Jorge because they are afraid of him! lol

    If AJ doesn’t talk about it, it goes away for good.

  74. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 7th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    If the commissioner wants to speed up games, then he’s going to need to change the entire rulebook. How about he forget the 9 innings and give each team 1 inning and 1 hour to do their damage. Road team first – just throw as many pitchers out there and try and contain the damage. Home team next up. Each team gets an hour to score as many runs as they can. If it ends in a tie, then you do a HR derby until 1 HR is hit; that team wins the game.

  75. m April 7th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    The thing is that they have to try so hard to overcome the perceptions, that it starts to ring hollow. Are we going to hear different variations of the same thing after each game?

    Let the guys speak from the heart. Let them gush about each after a no-hitter. :P
    Otherwise, just be natural.

  76. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 7th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Doreen,

    I’ll play,

    SS Jeter
    DH Johnson
    1B Teixeira
    3B Rodriguez
    2B Cano
    C Posada
    CF Granderson
    RF Swisher
    LF Gardner

    Thanks for hosting :)

  77. upstate kate April 7th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Doreen

    SS Je-tah
    DH Nick the stick
    1B Tex
    3B Arod
    C Posada
    2B Robbie
    CF Granderson
    RF Swish
    LF GGBG

    thanks

  78. blake April 7th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    The Yankees 1-4 hitters are better than Boston’s but the real advantage comes after that….5-9 its not even close IMO..

  79. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 7th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    That’s true – AJ should take a page from Alex’s book, lol. I didn’t hear AJ say it, so I don’t know the tone he used, but I suspect he’s tired of this crap and he means it. I really hope he means it.

    Erin, you’re welcome!

  80. Jose April 7th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Granted it’s only two games, but I have loved Cano’s approach at the plate. Laying off bad pitches and looking more and more like a complete hitter. That HR last night was smoked!

  81. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes April 7th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Andy will be fine tonight. He may only give us 5 innings, but its his first start of the season. I doubt he’ll be lights out, but he’ll be effective.

    I’ll be interested to see how Lackey does over the course of the season. I imagine he’ll be a decent addition to Boston and he does give them depth, but I wonder how his approach will change pitching in Fenway more frequently.

  82. Joekuh - 0-1, 161 to go! April 7th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    MY GTLU post of the day:

    Jeter – SS
    Nick – DH
    Tex – 1B
    A-Rod – 3B
    Can(hit a HR)o – 2B
    Jorge – C
    Grandish – CF
    Swish – RF
    Gardenhoser – LF

    Hopefully today will be better than yesterday.

  83. CountryClub April 7th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    I’d take the Yanks top 4 every day of the week.

  84. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy April 7th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    It is weird, but I actually agreed with Kay last night re: Thames. I stated yesterday it was not that big of a deal that he was starting, but it still caught me off guard. When they signed Thames, I really thought that he was brought in as a late game pinch hitter for Gardner and maybe even Granderson if he continued to struggle with lefties. It is far too early to tell what Thames’ role is on this team, but if he is part of some type of platoon, where does that leave Winn? What exactly is his role on this team other than PR and defensive replacement?

    That said, if Girardi’s plan is going to be to start Thames against tough lefties I hope he reconsiders that. Where I disagreed with Kay was that Thames made up for his misplay with his walk off Lester. His misplay was really very costly especially in what turned out to be such a tight game. Jorge messed up the throw to 2nd, but Thames was really the one responsible for that 1st run. He also cost AJ probably at least 6-7 pitches. That first inning was taxing on AJ and it really did not have to be.

    While it was just 1 play, there is really not much to suggest that Thames will not make more mistakes in the OF and get to more balls as the season goes on. He is just not a good defensive OF. Therefore, if he is going to be bad defensively he as to make up for it with his bat. Thames, though, likely is not nearly a good enough offensive player to make up for his defensive shortcomings.

    I think Thames is a liability to this team as anything more than a pinch hitter.

  85. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    are people still complaining about sterling’s premature home run call on Swisher last night or on Rodriguez? There isn’t a fan out there watching that didn’t think that Swisher’s in particular wasn’t going out. so he gets a little carried away with the calls. The alternatives are Ken Harrelson, or, Rex hudler, or the more annoying idiot in Seattle, Dave neuhouse, or the equally annoying voice of Jerry Remy. Would you like to hear McCarver and Buck or Carey? Yeah…I didn’t think so.

  86. kd April 7th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    as cb said last night, the red sox have one great hitter, youk.

    the yankees have at least three. arod, tiex, cano.

    starters may be a push, but our bullpen is far superior.

    the red sox have espn in their back pocket, so get ready for a season of stupid articles from gordon edes and the yankees in first place.

  87. William Buckner April 7th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    “It’s like playoff baseball!”

    IDK if that’s a good thing. Don’t misunderstand, I like the intensity, but no 9 inning game should go beyond 3:15 or so.

  88. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 7th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    SJ, Burnett himself said the other day that he and Jorge had difficulties last season. Because you and others felt it was overblown and insisted on that all of last season doesn’t mean that that you got it right. In fact, you and those others ended up in the vast minority on the issue because every sportswriter AND former baseball players were all over it. (being in the minority doesn’t automatically make you wrong either, but on this one you were.)

    You have to remember that Girardi said that all of the pitchers were going to have to get used to throwing to Jorge since he would be doing the catching in the postseason. The fact that he changed from that posture should let you know that he realized that there were problems and that he had a better chance of winning by doing it a different way. We are not privvy to all that goes on. Nobody would have known more about the situation than Girardi.

    Again, to me the good news is that it seems that all of that is in the past.

  89. m April 7th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    LGY,

    I’m still trying to figure out how Thames went from the 25th/26th guy to a regular starter vs. lefties.

    I think Girardi backtracked a litte on it. I hope it evolves logically. If Thames rakes against lefties, sure. But to just hand a regular role to him without giving Gardner a chance is unjust (j/k). Need a good defender out there. Not evey park has a cushy left lawn like Fenway.

  90. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes April 7th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Jose, would you believe me if I told you that Cano lasted until the 6th round in my Fantasy baseball draft?! :)

    Seriously though, I agree. I think its too early to really see how he adjusts to that role, but his patience at the plate, his ability/willingness to Sac Fly, and the pitch selection has looked good through two games. Hopefully he builds upon that because if he can transition into that five hole effectively, Matsui will be forgotten a lot faster than he otherwise might have.

    I think this is exactly what the Yankees have been hoping for since Cano stepped onto the scene. And now, he’s in his prime at what, 27?

  91. Chuck58 April 7th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Doreen, GTLU:

    [1] SS, Oh Captain
    [2] DH, OBP Krishna
    [3] 1B, Big Tex
    [4] 3B, Call Me Al
    [5] 2B, Canoe
    [6] C, Hip hip Jorge
    [7] CF, Grandy
    [8] RF, Swishalicious
    [9] LF, Gritty Gutty

    GTNC [Guess the Next Commissioner]
    [W] George W. Bush ;-)
    Well, it COULD happen!

  92. William Buckner April 7th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    “The alternatives are Ken Harrelson, or, Rex hudler, or the more annoying idiot in Seattle, Dave neuhouse, or the equally annoying voice of Jerry Remy. ”

    Totally agree. Sure John’s a bit of a homer (they all are now) and misses calls now and again, but I think he’s as good or better then most doing radio.

    I’m not a huge fan of Suzyn, but it’s the voice. Like Lois Griffin.

  93. Jerkface April 7th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Thames is a 100% streak hitter, he got hot at the end of ST. Girardi wants to see what he has. Unless he starts vs every lefty I wont be worried.

  94. CountryClub April 7th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    To be fair, Martinez is a great hitter too.

  95. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    kd April 7th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
    as cb said last night, the red sox have one great hitter, youk.

    the yankees have at least three. arod, tiex, cano.

    starters may be a push, but our bullpen is far superior.

    the red sox have espn in their back pocket, so get ready for a season of stupid articles from gordon edes and the yankees in first place.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Not sure about the neighborhood that you grew up in, but, Derek Jeter would have been considered to be a great hitter.

  96. CountryClub April 7th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    IDK if that’s a good thing. Don’t misunderstand, I like the intensity, but no 9 inning game should go beyond 3:15 or so.

    ————————

    It’s inevitable when these two teams play each other. They both take a ton of pitches and put a lot of men on base. It’s not changing any time soon.

  97. Brian April 7th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Anybody still need Opening Day tickets.

    I posted some nice tickets for a reasonable price on ebay.

    Hope you’ll make a bid.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA.....500wt_1182

  98. Rishi April 7th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Has anyone posted the Posada-Munson article:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/newy.....id=5062675

    it was a great read

  99. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Martinez is a tough and good hitter….great? Not so much.

  100. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 7th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Did you guys see this-

    Ortiz freaked on his Boston media critics. Love it!

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bl.....=AirF_D47R..fZEEVAxWKQ7oRvLYF?urn=mlb,232624

    Doesn’t exactly go with his “teddy bear” image

  101. m April 7th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    I know there was some consternation about Cano’s contract, but he’ll keep producing to win that next contract.

    We don’t see or hear a lot from Cano which is understandable with the likes of Jeter, Posada, Alex in the room. Even Swisher demands attention.

    But, I love to see growth in athletes. Will Cano become the next superstar/spokesperson in the Bronx along with Tex?

    Sad to say, but there will be a day when Kim/Erin don’t grab Jeter for postgame comments after a huge win.

  102. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy April 7th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Victor is not a great hitter. He is a very good to great hitter for a C which really is a big difference. Stick him at 1B or a corner OF spot and he is basically Nick Swisher. Swisher actually had a higher OPS+ last season.

  103. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 7th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    And SJ, it would be disingenuous of you not to acknowledge that Jorge has had problems with other pitchers in the past. Not every catcher has that in his resume. Girardi certainly didn’t. Part of it is Jorge’s fiery personality. I don’t know that it’s fair to ALWAYS put it on the pitcher when that happens is all.

    **************************
    I also want to take issue with how people feel the trolls situation should be handled. Last season when there were some really unpleasant things going on, I emailed Pete. The first thing he told me was that he needed copies of the posts in question because he didn’t get to read through each and every post since he had a lot of other responsibilities. He didn’t say this, but I think that if he read through some stuff and saw harangue going on but nobody emailed him, he might have thought it was part and parcel of forum interaction and that people tend to reach an equilibrium. Sam, Chad, and Josh are in the same position, even moreso since they don’t know all of the personalities involved. They are not here policing each and every post, and they can’t know whether some intense debate is the product of someone trolling or two regulars disagreeing.

    When I have had occasion to email any of our guys, they have been extremely receptive and helpful. I don’t think you should expect to sit here and do nothing but grouse and complain about trolls and have them magically disappear. If someone is really out of line and you feel they are disrupting things intentionally, shoot off an email to one of the guys, but be sure to include offending posts. They want this to be as harmonious as possible and I’m sure they will be receptive to doing whatever is necessary to keep it that way.

  104. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy April 7th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Not saying they are similar in their hitting approach or anything. Just looking at the numbers, because Swisher is an easy reference as a Yankee.

  105. RL15 April 7th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Doreen, here is my GTLU Submission ? on time today

    Jeter ? SS
    NJ ? DH
    Tex ? 1B
    A-Rod ? 3B
    Robbie ? 2B
    Jorgie ? C
    Grandy ? CF
    Swish ? RF
    GGBG ? LF

    Andy ? P

  106. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 7th, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Erica, Ortiz is tough! I think the press knows exactly what they’re going to get when they poke him with a stick. Just as an aside, I really like that we don’t have to read articles about Yankee players where there are expletives deleted as a matter of course. He does have a potty mouth!

    :)

  107. IDCWYT April 7th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    D. Jeter SS
    N. Johnson DH
    M. Teixeira 1B
    A-Rod 3B
    R. Cano 2B
    J. Posada C
    C. Granderson CF
    N. Swisher RF
    B. Gardner LF

  108. RL15 April 7th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Doreen,

    I posted from a work computer today and I’m not sure where all those “?” came from. Sorry.

  109. Bronx Jeers April 7th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    And Jorge is going to get a a lot of games off. At least 40-45. Could be more. Some of those games will be on AJ’s starts.

    Oddly enough, if there’s a pitcher that I wouldn’t mind seeing Posada miss, it’s AJ. AJ’s the toughest to catch and I don’t necessarily want to see that 38 year old body bouncing around back there.

  110. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 7th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    RL15

    No problem!

  111. CountryClub April 7th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    If you want to say Martinez is very good and not great, that’s fine…I won’t argue. But he has a career .299 avg and a .372 OBP. Either way, their #3 & #4 are darn good. They’re just not as good as NY’s.

  112. kd April 7th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    oops… forgot jeter on that list.

  113. teddy gbu April 7th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    off topic anyone think franceessa going on a joba lovefest today

  114. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 7th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    The following people have entered lineups so far:

    Erin
    Erica
    Fran
    upstate kate
    Joekuh
    Chuck58
    RL15
    IDCWYT

    If I missed you, please let me know. :)

  115. Dave F April 7th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Derek Jeter SS
    Nick Johnson DH
    Mark Teixeira 1B
    Alex Rodriguez 3B
    Robinson Cano 2B
    Jorge Posada C
    Curtis Granderson LF
    Nick Swisher RF
    Brett Gardner C

    Thanks Doreen :)

  116. m April 7th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Who will the next Yankee captain be? Or has he not been born yet?

  117. stuckey April 7th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    re: Thames.

    Gardner not only got off to a good start Sunday, he had a pretty good approach to the plate, after having a bad spring.

    Lester is not just a lefty, he’s perhaps the premiere lefty (or top 2) the Yanks will have to face this year (since they don’t have to face Sabathia).

    Some managers like to give all players some burn the first week. And Thames was warming up.

    Put all the circumstances together and it was not only reasonable, but no big deal either.

  118. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 7th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    In a previous thread, someone said something about Burnett throwing too many pitches last night. His pitch count was certainly affected by the defensive mistakes made in the first inning. It is possible that he might have gone 6 or 7 (I said possible – no way to know for sure) if he didn’t have to pitch around those mistakes. I might be wrong but I believe that the first inning was his highest pitch total of the 5.

  119. NYY626 April 7th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Rishi April 7th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
    Has anyone posted the Posada-Munson article:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/newy…..id=5062675

    it was a great read
    _________________________________________________________________________That made me a bit teary. I am such a girl :)

  120. teddy gbu April 7th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    ss jeter
    dh johnson
    1st tex
    3rd arod
    2nd cano
    catcher posada
    cf curtis
    rf swiisher
    lf gardner

  121. stuckey April 7th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    If he sticks at catcher and is the real deal, perhaps Montero.

    But most likely, the captainship might remain vacant for some time, as a living tribute to Jeter.

  122. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy April 7th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    stuckey,

    I agree it was no big deal. I posted yesterday it was no big deal. I just hope it is not a trend going forward, because it if is I think Thames is more of a liability than a help against LHP.

  123. NYY626 April 7th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    Thanks Doreen :)

    Air Jetah – SS
    Base Clogger – DH
    Tex – 1B
    Alex – 3B
    Robbie – 2B
    Jorgie – C
    Granderson – CF
    Swish – RF
    GGBG – LF

  124. pat April 7th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    m

    No one currently on the roster.

  125. m April 7th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    trisha,

    If AJ was “on” last night, absolutely bring him out for the 6th.

    But it’s the first start of the season, it’s Fenway, he stuck with CC too long, and he had a higher pitch count than CC had.

    All in all, it was a good night!

  126. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 7th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    pat April 7th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
    m

    No one currently on the roster.

    ************

    I agree with this

  127. stuckey April 7th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    “don’t think you should expect to sit here and do nothing but grouse and complain about trolls and have them magically disappear. ”

    The grousing, complaining and responding in fact has the exact opposite of the desired effect. It attracts and encourages them.

    Ignoring it publicly and reporting it privately is FAR and AWAY the best policy.

    To see otherwise smart people completely fall into the trap of believing they’re going to zing trolls so badly that the trolls will be shamed into fleeing is really startling to see.

    It’s like a higher-brain function just gets shut off or something.

  128. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 7th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    Mad Prince, when we were drafting for our fantasy team, my computer froze up (it happened to others there also) and so some of my picks were automated picks. It was maddening. I don’t want to say I ended up with the dregs because I really didn’t. But I missed out on some players I had queued up and ready to draft. My starting pitchers took a hit without question.

    Then I never got to set my lineup for the week (I’m in a head-to-head league) because it was Easter and I didn’t get home in time! But the funniest thing of all is that I was so flummoxed by the time I got back on line and unfroze the computer that I drafted a 2B not remembering that I had already drafted one!!! Well the spare 2B turned out to be Placido Polanco. :) It is possible that my best draft pick will have been one that I chose by accident.

  129. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    Rishi April 7th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
    Has anyone posted the Posada-Munson article:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/newy…..id=5062675

    it was a great read

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Thanks for the link, Rishi. I mentioned the same comparison the other night, but, to really appreciate the talents of Munson and Posada, you had to see them play. Both had an almost threatening presence towards their pitchers and names didn’t make a big difference to them. Stottlemyre used to laugh about Munson catching him for the first time in 1970 and coming out to the mound and screaming at him in the 2nd inning. That’s Posada’s makeup. He doesn’t care about ingame feelings…only results.

  130. Pags&Rags April 7th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    I didn’t read all the posts above but let’s give Jorge credit for the pitches he called for Joba when he entered the game. Joba used to shake him off and always want to go with the fastball but Joba made some great pitches to Beltre and thanks go to Posada for knowing that Beltre would be sitting fastball on the first couple of pitches.

  131. Erin April 7th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Rishi April 7th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
    Has anyone posted the Posada-Munson article:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/newy…..id=5062675

    it was a great read

    ********************
    Thanks for the link Rishi-that’s a great article. :)

  132. murphydog April 7th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    completely OT but I saw Hank Aaron’s comments about Heyward and his meaning to baseball

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....wardsdebut

    And I have to really wonder about this: “Aaron shares a growing concern that there are too few African-American players in the game. It’s a concern he expressed again during spring training. He says it’s a common problem that baseball has been slow to address.”

    OK, I guess I feel that it’s weird to see fewer african american kids wanting to play baseball. I remember a lot more important players of color when I was growing up than I see now. But why does “Baseball” have to address this, slowly or not? Why does a sport have to entice young, promising athletes of a particular color to take the unbelievably generous opportunities baseball has to offer if they are not already inclined to do so on their own? Haven’t these kids spoken with their actions about what they’d rather do?

    It’s not like there is a re-emergence of the color line preventing these young men from playing baseball. They simply appear not to want to do so in such great numbers any longer. Is Hank suggesting the ugly argument that Baseball has turned to Latin players because they are “cheap” and are “easy to manage” or whatever that scandalous and idiotic theme was last year.

    I love Henry and what he means to the game. I never did care what color anybody is. But I just don’t get this suggested duty of MLB to aggressively recruit young African American players. That does suggest more than merely educating youngsters on the benefits or history of playing baseball. It suggests inducements if education fails to draw larger numbers of kids of color to the game, and then logically you are not far from a policy of “retaining” young African American players on a preferential basis in the minors and majors. Does baseball really need affirmative action?

  133. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy April 7th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Is there anywhere in NYC you can sit outside and enjoy a beautiful day without being consumed with cigarette smoke?

  134. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    There’s not likely to be a team captain for the Yanks any time soon. In all honesty, the team made a public relations move in naming Jeter the captain. The real field general is Posada and it’s not close.

  135. blake April 7th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Pretty cool article in SI on Halladay if anyone is interested.

  136. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 7th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    “trisha,

    If AJ was ?on? last night, absolutely bring him out for the 6th.

    But it?s the first start of the season, it?s Fenway, he stuck with CC too long, and he had a higher pitch count than CC had.

    All in all, it was a good night!”

    mel, I think Girardi did the right thing by not going with him, though the way he ended his night was so impressive!!! (K’d Jokelis and Ortiz) That blew me – and them! – away. We definitely saw a different AJ on the mound last night and I think it’s because he and Jorge are in synch.

    I was responding to whomever said they didn’t think AJ had done such a good job because he threw too many pitches. If he didn’t have to work around others’ mistakes in the first, he might not have had such a high pitch count, was my only point.

    I agree with you that all in all it was a GREAT night! Heck, for the second game of the season there was a lot to smile about.

    I have ambivalence about Girardi leaving CC in. I’m not sure I agree it was a mistake but I certainly understand those who do.

  137. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Athletes that have options of playing multiple sports are going to gravitate to the sport where they get instant playing time and the biggest money. That’s the main reason for there being fewer blacks in baseball.

  138. Don April 7th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    This may be off topic but an NPR commentator lambasted the Yankees for “buying” the 2009 crown. You can see it or hear it at : http://www.npr.org/templates/s.....=125643704

  139. GreenBeret7 April 7th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    I wonder if Milwaukee would take Brett Gardner and PJ Pilittere for Ryan Braun?

  140. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 7th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    Stuckey, I agree with you about the way to deal with trolls but if you were around last night, that guy DAN really made it hard to do so. He posted nonstop and all in caps, and of course, all troll-type posts that made you want to reach through the computer and strangle him!

    At that point someone should have automatically emailed one of the guys and pointed out the posts. I guarantee you that would have ended it.

    Being the lightning rod that I am, I will always have some posters saying nasty things to me. I choose my battles. When they are totally insignificant to me I don’t even respond. If they go over the top or start getting vulgar, then I will take the time to report the person. But I certainly am not going to be the troll police. If people are bothered enough they need to do exactly what you said. Ignore the person and contact the guys.

  141. Erin April 7th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    New Post: Pettitte gets sunny skies

  142. Jerkface April 7th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    But I just don’t get this suggested duty of MLB to aggressively recruit young African American players.

    We need more blacks in baseball. The yankees are going to win over a 100 games again and it is going to be due very much to our increased blackness.

  143. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 7th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    No more lineups here. Thank you :)

  144. RayVT April 7th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Ok! So I will be the lone wrong GTLU!

    SS Jeter
    DH Johnson
    1B Teixeira
    3B Rodriguez
    2B Cano
    C Posada
    CF Granderson
    RF Swisher
    LF Winn

  145. RayVT April 7th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Did I miss out Doreen?

  146. tala08 April 7th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    MLB may not have a duty to attract blacks into the sport. But I’d think they would say, “We want the most talented athletes playing our sport and we’re going to try and attract them.”

    Its not baseball’s FAULT they are seeking other opportunities but I appreciate things like the RBI program at least trying. You want the best playing your sport no matter their race. At least I do anyway. Not wrong with trying when you’re going to other countries, building academies and doing the same thing. Trying to get the best to your league.

  147. Bronx Jeers April 7th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    MLB could increase the signing age in Latin America.

  148. Roger(live from Amsterdam) April 7th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Another Cl night.Who’s gonne take this one?Bayern or Man u..?

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