The near no-hitter and the tough decision
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc, Podcast on Apr 10, 2010 
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Regardless of what happened in that at-bat, Kelly Shoppach was going to be CC Sabathia’s last hitter this afternoon. When Shoppach singled with two outs in the eight, it broke up a no-hitter on Sabathia’a 111th pitch of the game.
“Shoppach was his last hitter no matter what,” manager Joe Girardi said. “He did not know that going out, but he knows now. I told him when he came out because, big picture. It’s not something you want to do, but you have to think big picture. I told Dave (Eiland), 110 to 115, that was it.”
Sabathia might have disagreed.
“It makes it easy now,” he said. “But we would have been fighting out there on the mound. I felt good, but I understand where he’s coming from too.”
In the end, there was no decision to make. Sabathia said he knew as soon as Shoppach looped that ball to left field that his day was done. He and Shoppach are old friends from their days with Cleveland, and Sabathia left a two-seamer up in the zone to a guy who likes to swing at fastballs.
“That was as good as I’ve seen him,” Shoppach said. “He did not make a mistake with his changeup all day. He had the extra velocity up in the zone when he needed it. Man, he was throwing strikes and getting ahead.”
Had Shoppach not gotten that hit, we might be having a very interesting and dare I say spirited debate right now.
“You have to look at the big picture and not the small one, get caught up in everything that’s going on out there,” Eiland said. “That’s our job to make those tough calls. It’s for the betterment of him and the betterment of the team. CC would have fought us on it, but he would have understood. I think anyone with any baseball sense would have understood.”
Here’s Sabathia talking about his outstanding second start of the year.
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I can just imagine the rage against Girardi if Shoppach didn’t get the hit and CC was still taken out, regardless of the big picture.
I, for one, would not have had a problem if JoeG did!
I vote Joe g is full of it
Delly April 10th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
I can just imagine the rage against Girardi if Shoppach didn’t get the hit and CC was still taken out, regardless of the big picture.
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Tell me about it. I’m thinking it’s a very good thing Shoppach got a hit. lol
Girardi can say that now after the fact. If the no-hitter was still going might have been a different story.
BBFan April 10th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
GB,
Is Luis Nunez (SS) considered agood prospect?
How do you rate his defence and offence?
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Luis Nunez is probably a better fielder than Eduardo Nunez and but Eduardo is the better hitter and more speed and power. Both could be very good at replacing Jeter in a couple of years, at least on defense. They could force the Yanks to move Pena.
Just my opinion, though, since I haven’t seen much of Eduardo Nunez much over the last year.
I think that Girardi would’ve tried to take out Sabathia.
Shoppach would’ve made 8 IP.
It really is too bad that CC was forced to throw extra pitches.
Trenton wins 4-1. Bleich gets the win.
CB, that’s what I mentioned before; so you think Bell took his anger out on CC and the Yankees? This should be VERY concerning – and yet what can you do?
Now I’m glad Shoppach got the hit, but boy – Joe would have come under plenty of fire had he not.
GB, thanks for the info in Luis Nunez.
They would’ve had the whole top of the 9th to talk about it. And I think Phil would’ve been right there backing up CC.
That was CC’s 20th regular season win for the Yanks, and it came against the team who stopped him at 19 last year.
Chad, you forgot to mention those pictures are from the AP.
Now the paper may get sued.
Trenton box score.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....x_treaax_1
Don’t forget that Girardi was catching David Cone when Cone was pulled from a no-hitter after seven innings. I honestly think he would have done it. It’s the way Girardi works.
Remember last May when Phil refused to shake Joe’s hand after his 11 K performance against the Rangers? That’s our boy – ulta competitive. The fact that CC isn’t angry tells me he’s not as competitive as our boy.
I need to get a #65 shirt to go with my #34 shirt….
Thanks for the heads up California. You’ve always had my back.
Chad, I was going to mention that, but I didn’t because those were much different circumstances. Coney was coming back from an aneurysm and there’s no way he could have gone out. Technically, if Joe and Eiland wanted to take the chance, they could have because CC is healthy. Of course, it’s only April – and I’m glad the decision was taken out of their hands.
It was a totally different situation, I’m just saying that Girardi has seen this sort of thing happen. He’s been on the field when it’s happened.
Chad,
Isn’t there a way to caption the pictures? You could give credit to the AP, too.
The picture could be: Um. Where was that pitch? Photo courtesy of the AP.
I can’t find a way to make the captions look right. I’ve tried it and they always look bad. I’d rather just throw the credit at the bottom of the post.
YankeesWFAN CC (with a smile): “We would’ve been fighting out there on the mound.”
That might have been pretty entertaining.
Chad-
Speaking of pics-
I miss the ones of you and Sam at the top of each new post. Are those coming back???
The fact that CC isn’t angry tells me he’s not as competitive as our boy.
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Is that a bad thing? Seems like a negative spin. CC is someone Phil should aspire to be as successful as.
Credit at the bottom of the post is fine!
Still no update on Christian Garcia.
This from Mike Ashmore. Interesting news on Alan Horne’s decision to delay his rotator cuff surgery.
http://www.trentonian.com/arti.....339022.txt
As I’ve said before, I was at that David Cone comeback no-no-interruptus game. What a thrill.
On that note, time to head south through the redwoods. Go Royals!
Mick, give me a break – I’m kidding. You really thought I was serious?
Chad,
LOL. We need to get Jeff on the job. BTW, a lot of us are still seeing stars (symbols) in the comments section.
Erin,
They would’ve been in the dugout if they had gotten Shoppach out. Someone would have to hide CC’s glove and poor David Robertson would have to fight off CC.
“Girardi can say that now after the fact. If the no-hitter was still going might have been a different story.”
Fran, absolutely it’s a croc. Pitchers know when they’re going hitter to hitter. And if it was Girardi’s decision to take CC out after Shoppach, CC would not have even started the 8th.
Total croc for public consumption and to help CC feel better.
Nick, I think Coney was thrilled to put on that performance in front of YOU
I don’t get why Joe would even say anything at this point. To me it is foolish. It isn’t like he was at 130 pitches.
benshpigel Teixeira: “I know Kelly really well, and Kelly and CC are buddies. The first thing I thought was, He just messed up his buddy?s no-hitter.”
2 minutes ago via web
Yankee players probably would have been really ticked off at Joe, lol -
Fran, I emailed you.
m April 10th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
Erin,
They would’ve been in the dugout if they had gotten Shoppach out. Someone would have to hide CC’s glove and poor David Robertson would have to fight off CC.
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That’s quite an image of Robertson fighting off CC!
Shoppach had better watch out – CC may be aiming for him next time they meet
BryanHoch Eiland: “CC would have fought us on it, but he would have understood. I think anybody with any baseball sense would have understood.”
Phil does not and cannot have the maturity CC has attained, not at this stage of Phil’s career.
That is normal and the more mature he becomes, the better pitcher he will be.
Look at all the positives from today:
CC pitched like he was in late season form.
GGBG looked great.
Tex broke thru and had a game which reminds us of the star that he is.
Cano is looking great in the 5 Hole.
Granderson stole 2 bags and got a hit off of a lefty.
Cervelli continues to overachieve.
Robertson is becoming a stud.
Terrific infield defense.
And on and on and on.
Go Get em’ AJ
Mick, I was kidding – Phil’s just a baby. Why would I compare him to CC? I’m glad he’s got a pitcher like CC to learn from.
Eiland is right that anyone would have understood, but it would have been painful for CC because he’d always have to live with the might-have-been
Just made it back from dinner and finished watching the game. CC was just dominant today with the fastball and change. I think if he hadn’t been squeezed and got his pitch count up he may have been strong enough to finish it off. Great all around performance by the Yankees offensively and defensively as well. Arod couldn’t have made a couple of those plays last year. Great game.
I had a feeling before that pitch that the no hitter was over. Does anyone else ever get feelings like that?
http://web.yesnetwork.com/medi.....id=7367363
Replay of Alex’ play – wow!!!
http://web.yesnetwork.com/medi.....id=7367361
Cano’s play
Taking Sabathia out with a no hitter going is not ground breaking. Preston Gomez once to out Clay Kirby with a no hitter after 8 innings. The game was scoreless and Kirby was due to bat. hard to believe that he dies of a heart attack at age 43.
Don Wilson had an 8 inning no hitter going and was removed as a pinch hitter. Wilson was a good hitter. he also had 2 other no hitters. Still a fine pitcher when he died, too.
mick April 10th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
I had a feeling before that pitch that the no hitter was over. Does anyone else ever get feelings like that?
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Carl Everett vs Mike Mussina in 2003
It’s nice to have a Hoover as your first baseman.
I have never seen Arod make a diving play like that, over the bag.
BTW, I believe Joe would have pulled him, he is sincere.
He also predicted Tex would break out of it today, last night in the post game.
Blake – hey! It was a fantastic game; they couldn’ t possibly have looked better in all aspects of the game. I LOVED that, even up 8-0, the Yanks still took walks and still were patient.
I could watch that Alex play over and over again.
Erica – always OPPC – Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 10th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
mick April 10th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
I had a feeling before that pitch that the no hitter was over. Does anyone else ever get feelings like that?
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Carl Everett vs Mike Mussina in 2003
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Wait- 2001. Oops
Carl Everett vs Mike Mussina in 2003
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Yes I remember that well and I think that was another aha moment, at least when the pitch left his hand.
Today’s was before it left his hand and there was nothing I could do to reverse it.
“I could watch that Alex play over and over again.”
He’s moving so much better than last year.
Did Gardner reach base 4 times today?
Can’t forget Pedro Martinez having a perfect game through 9 innings and being removed before the 10th inning started. He got nothing but a handshake out of it.
I believe this is the second time in recent years that CC has come close to a no no.
A few years ago when he was pitching for the Brewers he lost a no no in the game over an infield play that he failed to make.
Sooner or later fate is gonna smile on him.
Greinke appears to be carving the Sox up nicely.
Today showed what will happen withe everyone in the lineup hitting.
Before today the 5-9 hitters were carrying the team.
Today everyone hit but Nick and esp Tex and Arod with 5-6 hits between them.
Robbie is becoming a monster and could lead the league in RBI. Each year he has made the mental strides needed to take it to the next level. Dare I say MVP?
Interesting that the Yankees have jumped pitcher Adam Warren from short season rookie ball last year to Tampa this year. Oh, yeah. 4 innings, 0 hits, 1 walk and 1 strikeout.
“Taking Sabathia out with a no hitter going is not ground breaking. Preston Gomez once to out Clay Kirby with a no hitter after 8 innings. The game was scoreless and Kirby was due to bat. hard to believe that he dies of a heart attack at age 43.
Don Wilson had an 8 inning no hitter going and was removed as a pinch hitter. Wilson was a good hitter. he also had 2 other no hitters. Still a fine pitcher when he died, too.”
Now find me one where the pitcher’s team was leading 9-0 when he was removed and had a no hitter going and I might begin to buy it.
No way CC was coming out if he still had a no hitter. If Girardi knew that was the plan, the guy wouldn’t have begun the 8th. There is just no way that is true. (Hey, let me get his pitch count up even higher but I’m not going to let him finish this game. Because I love doing things that make no sense at all)
Gardner is also playing himself into an everyday role. Needless to say he is hitting.
Thames defense alone is a liability.
MTU they said the last time he came close was in 2002, and he lost it in the 7th inning.
Robbie is becoming a monster. If he swings at strikes he can really be special because he puts the barrel of the bat on the ball very often when he does that.
Is it just me or did some of the Tampa players deserve to get spiked on a few of the plays today ?
Both their Catcher and second baseman tried to block oncoming runners using a leg.
I was hoping on both ocassions our guys would have slid in spikes up.
They didn’t.
Joshie throwing a nice gamea against a non-Yankee team.
NESN said that Ortiz wanted to play in this game and thought he was and told Tito he wanted to play but Tito said no and that he would play tomorrow. How the mighty have fallen. I’d love to have heard that conversation. I wonder if he uses expletives when he talks to Tito.
Didn’t Mike Soscisa remove Jared Weaver from his no hitter last year in the 7th inning to pinch hit for him (he was facing the Dodgers in an NL park).
The Angels were actually trailing in that game because an unearned run scored, so Weaver got pinch hit for and the Dodgers ended up getting no hit but won the game.
Trish
If the Yanks had another big inning where CC had to sit say 15-20 minutes , do you really think Joe would jeopardize CC’s season by letting him go out there? He would be crucified for that if it happened. Seems more selfish to do that than to go for the no-no.
GB-
I have been keen on Warren. I think he is gonna be a good one.
All last year Girardi preached it’s not about individual accomplishments, it’s about winning the WS and every player echoed that at some point during the year and said they bought into that and that was the difference.
If Girardi thought it was in the long term best interest of the team, he would have pulled him
geeze louise.
Grienke wheels falling off wagon
Cano is definitely MVP material. He finished #17 last year and also finished #22 in 2006, a year he batted ninth and missed 6 weeks of the season.
Red Sox lead 2-1 after back to back homers on hanging breaking pitches
Hermida
Varitek
We had Molina who had no HRs last year.
They have a loser like Varitek who hits a HR off one of the top 3 pitchers in the league.
Trisha-
I could have sworn there was one with the Brewers.
Maybe I am mistaken, or just misremembering.
Either wouldn’t surprise me.
‘Tek doing better than Big Pop-Up
Charleston is leading 2-1 after 4 innings. Sean Black has a 1 hitter. Run scored on a couple of errors.
CC not getting worked up about the no-no shows what kind of guy he is. He is a mensch and should be applauded for that. I don’t think the average Yankee fan realizes that yet. He is the cornerstone of the staff. Not to take anything away from Andy.
Joe would have lost his entire clubhouse if he had taken CC out like that. As an ex-player, he should know better.
He also removed Hughes after 8 innings last year and didn’t give him a chance to get the CG SHO. He also had no problem benching our team leader in the playoffs for Jose Molina.
Joe hasn’t exactly shown he cares about players feelings the way Torre did. Joe does what he thinks is in the best interests of the team long term (i.e pulling Hughes in Texas last year, willing to pull CC today, etc.).
If Girardi thought it was in the best interest of the team, he wouldn’t have bothered using him in the 8th at all.
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Ortiz must be livid. Hermida and Varitek hit homers and Ortiz must be thinking “I could do that!”
Blake, Freddie had a very good day today. I don’t think he’ll win, but I think if his back is ok, he’ll play well tomorrow.
I guess AJ will have to one up CC tomorrow and get his own no-no, which he almost had last year in Tampa.
MTU(aka GBURL) April 10th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
GB-
I have been keen on Warren. I think he is gonna be a good one.
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He’s something like Zach McAllister and Ryan Pope. Not wowzer stuff, but, good, smart pitchers. Should be interesting.
We had Molina who had no HRs last year.
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Molina did have a dinger last season. It was at Detroit.
130 pitches isn’t going to kill him. Skip his next start or something. You don’t deprive someone a chance to make history.
Well, he pulled Hughes in the bests interest of Hughes; Phil wasn’t prepared to throw that many pitches. That said, he probably could have gone one more inning as he looked very strong towards the end of the game.
It doesn’t matter now – CC and Shoppach saved us all alot of grief and aggravation, lol.
Phil was coming off of the DL, no? Plus he’s young. Plus it was a shutout, no big deal.
Molina had our only grandslam of the season up until Cano and Arod hit ones in the final week.
Molina also hit the last HR ever at the old stadium.
MTU –
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Allen, Hughes is not an accomplished starter, CC is. CC is used to throwing a lot of pitches. He cares enough about player feelings that as a former catcher, he would have hooked him at the end of the 7th if he knew he wasn’t going to let him finish 9 innings. There would have been no percentage whatsoever letting him begin the 8th with a 9-0 score. It makes no sense at all.
JMO
Yeah I’m sure Jeter would have thrown a hissy fit if Joe pulled CC. You can’t be serious. You should be glad as a Yankee fan, the mgr appears to ONLY care about winning 1st and feelings 2nd. Losing mentality.
Haha, Grienke hits Pedroia and then Martinez grounds into a DP.
M, no – not last year. Phil was thankfully healthy all year
I have no doubt Girardi would have taken him Sabathia out.
The goal is #28 and everyone knows that. Sabathia is as much of an integral part of that goal as anyone on the team.
Those who doubt Girardi would have taken him out don’t know General Joe very well.
And he would not have lost a single member of that clubhouse had he chosen to go that route.
“Phil was coming off of the DL, no? Plus he?s young. Plus it was a shutout, no big deal.”
Mel, yes, yes, and yes.
M, well Phil thought it was a big deal because he refused to shake Joe’s hand…
Greinke better suck this much when we face him. If he isin’t going to perform against the Sox, he better also tank against the Yankees.
Warren through 5 innings and still has the no hitter going. 1 walk and 3 strikeouts.
Pirela (run scored), Medchill (run scored), Suttle (RBI), Joseph, Mesa (SB) and Lockwood (RBI) have singles
Betsy,
You’re right. The years just run together.
Young or not, Phil wanted to finish that game……….I recently went back to review the game thread again. Most folks were annoyed at Joe – Phil looked good and probably could have gone another inning; they at least wanted Joe to give the kid a shot.
I agree Joe would not have lost anyone……
Trish-
I just checked baseball reference.
CC had a 1 hitter in 2007 against Pittsburgh on Aug. 31. He had 3 walks and 11 K’s that day.
I bet that is the game I remember. Not as many brain cells gone as I thought.
M, for a young kid, it seems like Phil has been around for ever. Let’s not give Phil another stint on the DL – he’s had enough of them, lol.
Betsy,
I know! And we all loved it!
It doesn’t matter now – CC and Shoppach saved us all alot of grief and aggravation, lol.
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Betsy, you’re right. We’ll never really know.
GB, thanks! So far, so good for our young pitches; I don’t know much about Warren.
Phil not shaking Joe’s hand was wrong. He has a penchant for blowing up like that as he did in the post season. He will get over that and become a better pitcher. Composure will do that for you, esp as a pitcher. That is what CC showed today, composure.
I don’t know why Hughes thought it was a big deal – he was over 100 pitches, we had a big lead, and it was a scorching hot afternoon in Texas. What was the need for him to pitch the 9th? To get a complete game shutout? Does it really matter? It’s not like it was a no-hitter.
GF, it would have made NO sense for him to let CC start the 8th if he wasn’t going to let him finish the game. After all, worrying about long term and all. He wouldn’t mess with his head that way. It’s not even reasonable to buy into that.
Anyway Betsy you’re right. Shoppach put an end to it.
LOL @ the ump squeezing Beckett.
I’ve had the game on since the 3rd inning, and the HP umpires appears to be giving generous wide strike calls to Beckett and squeezing Greinke!!
Must be something in the water. 2 no no possibilities in one day.
I was at the game and the umps were really bad, especially Bell. That stadium is like a warehouse, as we didn’t get but two or three replay the entire game, and the between-inning breaks were “Spot the Chick-fil-A Cow” and dance contests. They had one nearly every inning.
M, I may go back to that thread tonight in honor of Phil’s next start. Maybe I’ll go back to the Detroit one as well. LOL Yes, I loved that competitiveness and I remember the guys on MLB were impressed as well.
Thanks GF for the correction. Though 1 HR all year is not much more than 0
How does Phil have a penchant for blowing up? He had a great post-season in 2007 and struggled last year……after coming through time and again in clutch situations all year.
So Gary, you want Phil to be happy to come out of that game? He wanted to pitch – he’s a competitor. Joe understood it wasn’t personal and actually liked it.
CC started the 8th to see if he could get a quick 1-2-3 inning. He had two innings today, back to back, where he threw 6 and 8 pitches. If he did it again Joe would have let him go out.
I am hoping that CC’s magnificent performance today will inspire AJ for Sunday’s game.
It works like that sometimes.
Tonight’s a nice night on LI – think I may go for some rocky road ice cream; yum!
These NESN homers!!
Now that the Sox have the lead, “what a pleasure to watch these 2 terriffic pitchers”
It’s been almost one year to the day since AJ lost his no-hit bid in Tampa; I’ll just be happy with a good performance.
Phil appears to be wound very tight, that’s all. He relaxed in the pen last year, till the pressure of the Series hit. Here’s hoping he has a great season.
trisha
I am not sure how many pitches CC had to start the 8th, but he only had 111 total. So if he has an easy 1-2-3 8th maybe Joe let’s him go to the 9th. Or, maybe he brings in MO to try to get them both in a no-no. At any rate, I am inclined to believe him.
GF, it would have made NO sense for him to let CC start the 8th if he wasn’t going to let him finish the game. After all, worrying about long term and all. He wouldn’t mess with his head that way. It’s not even reasonable to buy into that.
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Trisha,
Then why would Girardi say that to the media? Was it to make Sabathia feel better?
Girardi’s not the type to fabricate a story for the media and fans to debate endlessly.
I have no doubt he meant it or he wouldn’t have said it.
I really don’t care about that game and I don’t even care if Beckett pitches a great game; we got to him and got to him good on Opening Night.l
MTU,
Garcia torn elbow ligament
I don’t see it, Mick – from all accounts, he’s a very laid back kid.
Phil is fine with pressure – eh, let’s not get into an argument; neither of us are going to change our minds.
Oh, that’s bad news – but not surprising. Poor Garcia – but he should have stopped pitching as soon as he felt something; I wonder if he did further damage by pitching or if it was already gone.
Allan, I’m one of the people who believed Girardi did the exact right thing by using Molina and sitting Jorge (not to resurrect the argument). What I like about Girardi is that he doesn’t have loyalty to just a select few. He treats all the players with equal respect IMO.
It isn’t that I don’t believe that Girardi would pull a pitcher who had a no hitter going, under certain circumstances, it’s that I know he has enough respect and compassion that if he was not going to let CC finish the game, he wouldn’t have set him up by letting him even start the 8th. It would have been over at the end of the 7th. In addition, when pitchers are going to go hitter to hitter, the manager always lets them know.
Hi bodhi,
How is your mom doing?
bod – how bad is that?
trisha – OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all.
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GF-this should answer your question.
Trish, Mike Ashmore’s twitter (the guy that covers Trenton) says he’ s done for awhile….it’s not good.
Bohdi-
That is really sad news.
I hadn’t heard it.
So much talent and a body that just fails him.
Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 10th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
Hi bodhi,
How is your mom doing?
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She’s very well, Fran, thank you for asking.
Trisha – it ain’t good. Very sad day for Garcia fans.
MTU,
Makes you shake your head and wonder why.
All the best, folks.
Varitek’s been to the mound twice in the same inning, with only two batters coming up.
Warren loses the no hitter in the 6th inning on a single. Through 6 innings, 1 hit, 0 runs, 1 walk and 4 strikeouts. 12 ground outs, 2 fly ball outs
“Then why would Girardi say that to the media? Was it to make Sabathia feel better?
Girardi?s not the type to fabricate a story for the media and fans to debate endlessly.
I have no doubt he meant it or he wouldn?t have said it.”
GF, if you talk to people on this forum, you will get a lot of them saying that Girardi would fabricate and say things for the media and fans to debate endlessly. You should have been there when the 5th starter stuff was going on and Girardi said that 5 guys were being considered for the job.
I took the position that Girardi said it and was sincere when he said it and believe me, I was told in no uncertain terms that Girardi said it for media consumption but he had his mind already made up.
“Warren loses the no hitter in the 6th inning on a single. ”
He might not be long for A ball. He’s going to do very well at that level.
Bohdi-
“Makes you shake your head and wonder why.”
Absolutely.
Speaking of some pitchers working better with certain catchers, there is no question that Beckett does his best work with Varitek behind the dish.
Dang!
GB-
That sinker must have really been sinkin’.
I figured him for a fast mover.
Think about it: It’s could be a boring summer with the Yankees mowing down the opposition like they did today.
GB-
And one more thing on Warren.
I heard somewhere that there has been a serious uptick in his velocity.
Trisha, maybe because Beckett is more comfortable with Varitek. They’ve been together for a while.
Trisha
What about letting CC finish off the 8th, and bring out Mo for the 9th? That way Shoppach is CC’s last batter, and Mo is in to preserve the no-hitter.
Wasted leadoff double by the Royals in bottom 6th.
CB April 10th, 2010 at 8:46 pm
“Warren loses the no hitter in the 6th inning on a single. ”
He might not be long for A ball. He’s going to do very well at that level.
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He’s already skipped Low A Charleston, so he’s moving quick. From the little I saw of him, he seems you be like a young Mike Mussina, other than his motion from the stretch. Maybe not quite that fastball, but, he’s fun to watch. Saw a couple of college games and two Staten Island games on the computer.
Bod, how not good. I said that I was going to be very very distraught if Garcia ended up with a bad situation here, and it takes a lot for me to feel very very distraught.
I feel furious at the forces. I don’t know how else to describe it. Did he do something so terrible that he should deserve this fate? Obviously rhetorical, but to let you know how I’m processing this – or not processing it. Garcia is one of the most naturally talented pitchers I had seen pitch. In his first ST he was head and shoulders above the heavy hitters there and IMO was going to end up being the leader of the staff. That’s how much he blew me away. And then he hurt his elbow. And it has been horrid ever since.
What does this do in terms of the rest of the season. I feel like putting him on prayer lists. In fact I’m going to.
Greinke hit another batter and Jack Obi tripled him in.
GB
Adam Warren actually has seen an uptick in his stuff since coming to us….
Last season his 4 seamer jumped from 89-92 93 tops to 92-94 topping at 96.
I saw him pitch twice in Staten island and he was 93-94 the whole game with a couple of 95′s in there both times. he was overpowering when I saw him.
I kinda figured they would jump him to Tampa just because of the sheer # of guys that they have to slot in Charleston and Staten Isl.
I’ll say it again there is a lot of talent on the Trenton, Tampa and Charleston teams
Venditte has replaced warren in the 7th inning.
Sean black’s defense killed him with 3 errors and 3 unearned runs. Tied up at 4-4 in Charleston.
MTU(aka GBURL) April 10th, 2010 at 8:48 pm
GB-
That sinker must have really been sinkin’.
I figured him for a fast mover.
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No worm is safe in Tampa.
Any chance of Venditte making it to the majors?
Fran, that’s probably the reason. But then there are catchers like Cervelli (and Molina) who show up and there is a totally smooth transition. To his credit, Beckett never complained and when asked about it never complained about the situation, at least publicly. But Tito ain’t blind. I think he probably figured he at least had to give it a shot to see if it was the pairing.
Good thing KC pirated the game yesterday. This one isn’t looking good.
NESN is showing “Pedro’s Fenway Return” tomorrow. I never got to see it the first time but heard so much about it so I’m happy they’re showing it again. I heard it was a hoot!
GB, what can you tell me about Warren? What’s his ceiling? Thanks!
Great night for the kids – I’m really happy about Bleich.
GB-
“No worm is safe in Tampa.”
And the worm is turning because Warren will be at AA before long.
They better hire the Weyerhauser or the National forest service to come in and clear the logjam at the upper levels of the minors.
Oops, nevermind – sort of. He seems like a good kid to follow….and yet the Yankees farm system is not highly regarded. Maybe if Montero, Romine and a couple of position players have good years, that will change.
Nice of you to show up tonight, Royals.
Wish you put forth more of an effort with your ace on the mound. Actually, I wish your ace had put forth more effort.
Looks like trolls night off. I guess they wait for a Yankee loss to show up.
Betsy,
The Yankee system is underrated by a number of so-called experts because a lot of their best prospects are in the lower minors. However, I feel the Yankees system is much better than they’re getting credit for and that many of their prospects will have really good seasons.
Tar, just doesn’t feel right. You don’t let a pitcher who is on his way to a no hitter finish the 8th and then sit him for the 9th. That’s even more cruel. At the end of the 7th you tell him that he’s thrown enough pitches, or you tell him he is going to start the 8th but if his count goes up you’re taking him out. You don’t blindside him, which is what would have happened if he got Shoppach out and Girardi popped up and pulled him. That’s why I’m not buying it. If Girardi were going to pull him under certain circumstances, he would have let him know about it. MO
Too bad Grienke gave up more runs. KC is threatening. I don’t know if they have 3 in them but I bet they could have eeked out at least one with these current circumstances.
“I guess they wait for a Yankee loss to show up.”
When things get rolling they might have a nice long wait.
Other than as a drawing card late in the season, I’d say that Venditte only has a slim chance to make the majors.
So they got one run. Drat. Okay, there’s still plenty of game to be played…
When things get rolling they might have a nice long wait.
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That’s one way to kill a troll.
Does anyone actually believe this garbage? There is NO chance that Sabathia would’ve been yanked at 111 pitches w/ a no hitter in tact. This guy is our ace, almost 30 years old, a veteran, being paid over 100 million dollars…. This is not Phil Hughes on an innings limit… Zero chance he gets yanked there. I don’t know why Joe is saying this. To make CC feel better? Lame.
Betsy, some of the others like CB can tell you more about Warren than I can. I’ve only seen him on TV and computer about 4 times and a couple of those were college games. What I saw was a young Mussina type pitcher. Throws about everything, but, some of the others are saying that he’s added 5 MPH to his fastball since college.
Jim PR April 10th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
Nice of you to show up tonight, Royals.
Wish you put forth more of an effort with your ace on the mound. Actually, I wish your ace had put forth more effort.
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You are a piece of work. I normally completely ingore you, but you really bug me
Last night you were praising the Royals for not giving into the Boston propaganda machine. Today they are in on the great Boston conspiracy. Greinke gave a solid 6 innings and was left in too long. So obviously he is just a lazy bum.. amazing
Why don’t you please go crawl back into your hole. You add no value to this blog whatsoever with your psychopath theories
Although he is not using my exact name, Jim PR is impostoring me.
Jim PR
There is only so much one can expect the Royals to do versus the Red Sox. Also, Ankiel has been awesome this series.
Looks like sox will get their 2nd win tonight.
beckett solid for 8, then palpsmear to close.
thanks a lot royals.
Craw, isn’t it odd that the Sox system is ranked so highly when their best prospects are in the lower minors? I hope you’re right – from the info I get here and on Pinstripes Plus, it seems like we’ve got some kids that are just waiting to burst into prominence.
GB, ok thanks! CB, the floor is yours, lol.
So, Bleich added velocity and now Warren did; is that common for kids ? I guess so as they are still maturing…
Erica, good call. Typical knee jerk fan.
Erica, please ignore this guy…
Jim PR – there’s no quit in KC. They’re still trying. And give them credit for what they pulled off last night.
I don’t know what people expect anyway; the Royals are not a good team and Beckett’s a very good pitcher. Just be glad we won and stop obsessing about what the Sox are doing.
HARDEE HAR HAR HAR!
They pulled within one!
Hey people,
I come on here very little currently. Also, I have gotten much less bitter towards the Red Sox and their opponents.
Jim PR is an impostor.
Betsy-
I know. I couldn’t help it
Beckett calls time out to go change his undies.
Beckett will beat these types of teams as his days of overpowering appear to be over.
We just lay off his pitches and wait til he hits 100 by the 5th and he’s done.
Don’t get why other teams don’t pick up on that.
Royals pull back within 4-3.
I think we have a Sybil poster among us with more than one on-line alias.
Greinke had such a great start last season that it would be hard to match. He is still did well against the Red Sox.
HARDEE HAR HAR HAR!
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Trish, is that your Ralph Kramden impersonation?
Wow scary play for Beckett, ball grazes his head
Erica,
how was the pizza?
Betsy, the Royals pulled it out last night and they are threatening now! They had a few really sweet wins last year, in fact I think they may have swept Minny, and if it weren’t for some Soria meltdowns, they would have won more. They now have Rick Ankiel and Scott Posednick. They’re not necessarily a first-place team as of yet, but it’s crazy to underestimate them.
But I know what you’re saying.
I come on here very little currently. Also, I have gotten much less bitter towards the Red Sox and their opponents.
Jim PR is an impostor.
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That’s right, Jim, protect your good name.
Anyone else think RS pen is overrated, as well as their starters for that matter?
mick,
Can’t a person change? Life is good. Greinke is great.
New post with some notes from today, plus audio from Cervelli and Teixeira.
“Trish, is that your Ralph Kramden impersonation?”
I don’t really remember where I got that but I think it may have started as a response to trashing trolls, when they would be forced to eat their silly words.
Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 10th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
Erica,
how was the pizza?
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SO GOOD!
Jim Pir – One April 10th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
Hey people,
I come on here very little currently. Also, I have gotten much less bitter towards the Red Sox and their opponents.
Jim PR is an impostor.
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I seriously doubt that anybody’s standing in line waiting to be you.
new thread
too bad royals weren’t able to pull it out tonight.
Hard to denigrate the Royals for an alleged lack of effort when they’re not good enough to play .500 ball.
All the conspiracy stuff really is ridiculous.
End of the 7th. I wonder if Beckett will be out for the 8th.
Trish
Have you seen the Honeymooners?
That’s not what KC needed. And the pitcher’s name is Hughes. I hope that isn’t an omen…
mick, I know what it is but I don’t think I’ve ever watched episodes unless it was reruns. Not sure though.
If CC didn’t allow a hit and Joe took him out for the 9th, would he have brought in Mariano as the best chance for the no-hitter even though it was a blow out game?