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Pregame notes: Robertson’s short memory

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Apr 14, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

When the clubhouse opened to reporters this morning, Dave Robertson was one of the few Yankees sitting at his locker. He was his usual self, friendly and eager to make small talk on the morning after he allowed a grand slam to Bobby Abreu, the only blemish to an otherwise brilliant home opener.

“I don’t want a guy that’s down on himself,” manager Joe Girardi said, “because baseball comes around every day.”

Girardi said he was happy with Robertson’s demeanor this morning and he wouldn’t hesitate to use him in a big spot this afternoon. He thought Robertson did a bad job reading swings yesterday, and remembered an 0-2 curveball that should have been buried but was instead thrown for a hitable strike. Those are fixable mistakes, and Robertson called today a new day. That’s the kind of memory you want from a reliever.

Here’s Girardi’s pregame media session.

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• Girardi said his kids took his World Series ring out of the box yesterday and “really studied it, which was really neat to see.” He got some of the fake rings — the kind given to Nick Swisher and Hideki Matsui as a joke — for his kids.

• Swisher said he was shocked when he opened his box and saw his ring yesterday. The players immediately laughed and it was Mariano Rivera who finally gave him the real ring after the pregame ceremony. “I had that fake ring on the whole time,” Swisher said.

• Javier Vazquez will be trying to move on from his disappointing season debut. Girardi said Vazquez rushed last week again Tampa, causing his arm slot to drop. “His fastball was running too much back across the middle of the plate,” Girardi said.

• After all of the fifth-starter debate this spring, Girardi said he’s excited to see Phil Hughes finally get on the mound. “I think he’s much more physically and mentally prepared” than he was in 2008, Girardi said.

• With the opening road trip out of the way and the rings distributed, Girardi said it finally feels like the regular season is in full swing. “I do feel like now the season will get back to normal,” Girardi said.

• The Yankees are facing Joel Pineiro today. “He’s the kind of guy  that balls are going to be put in play, and they’re probably going to be on the ground,” Girardi said.

• At the end of his press conference, Girardi was asked how many rings he’d like to win. “Yogi’s got 10 and I’m sure Yogi would like another one,” Girardi said.

The Angels are going with the same lineup as yesterday, but with Maicer Izturis as second in place of Howie Kendrick.

Erick Aybar SS
Bobby Abreu RF
Torii Hunter CF
Hideki Matsui DH
Kendry Morales 1B
Juan Rivera RF
Maicer Izturis 2B
Jeff Mathis C
Brandon Wood 3B

That’s an Associated Press shot, by the way.

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133 Responses to “Pregame notes: Robertson’s short memory”

  1. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 14th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    You can never have enough rings!!!!

  2. GGBG (50 SB's for me!) April 14th, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Yeesh…The bottom part of the Angels lineup is pretty bad.

  3. Erin April 14th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Girardi said his kids took his World Series ring out of the box yesterday and ?really studied it, which was really neat to see.? He got some of the fake rings ? the kind given to Nick Swisher and Hideki Matsui as a joke ? for his kids.

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    I want one of those fake rings! :)

  4. Jerkface April 14th, 2010 at 11:11 am

    I don?t get why Jeter should all of a sudden start changing who he is; Trevor?s right. It?s 7 games ? that?s it. No conclusions can possibly be drawn about Jeter or anyone else.

    Maybe because Jeter has already changed who he is in the early goings this year and he should go back to being Jeter? He is swinging at 10% more balls, 10% more balls in the zone, 10% more swinging overall. He has already grounded his way out of a walk a few times.
    Jeter is an aggressive hitter, no doubt, but he also knows how to take a walk. Thats what separates him from guys like Cano. So far he has been too aggressive.

    I think he could just be seeing balls he really wants to hit, or not seeing the ball well enough, or he wants to hit his way out of his spring slump and might be over aggressive to try and pile up some hits. He might feel more confident being aggressive because he knows NJ is behind him.

  5. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 14th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    D-Rob has a great attitude – that’s exactly the tack you have to take as a short reliever. If not, there’s no way you can do your job. I hope yesterday was just a blip on the screen; perhaps D-Rob was just overwhelmed with the emotion of the day?

    I think it’s hard to compare Phil now to Phil in 2008 because he was injured; he was so bad that we knew something had to be up. However, I guess Joe’s point is that Phil now has 4 pitches he can turn to (back then, he was FB and curve; his change had been put to the side thanks to his injuries the previous year). As Phil said, although he’s confident in his change, he’s not going to lable it as plus or anything until he sees how hitters react in real games. LOL If Joe’s excited, Phil must be nearly jumping out of his skin, lol. This is a new beginning for him -it’s very exciting for him and the team.

    The Yanks have a tough schedule now, but I’d rather it now than later in the season. I believe they get their West Coast trips out of the way before the All-Star break…..

    Chad, thanks!

  6. Chip April 14th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    stuckey April 14th, 2010 at 10:06 am
    Chip, though you took some pains to try to sound “reasonable” in your post, you show your true colors by suggesting two guys who are current OPSing in the low .600’s in AAA right now.

    Why are you giving them the benefit of the doubt after one week?

    —————————————-

    Stucky -

    It’s no secret that I view Gardner as a more hyped version of Bubba Crosby. I don’t believe that the Yankees view him as anything other than a place holder until Carl Crawford becomes available and so I don’t think they’ll hesitate to replace him mid season if he looks lost at the plate and an outfielder at AAA is showing some promise.

    I didn’t say that they would make a change now, and if Curtis and Golson are still posting OPS’s in the low .600′s then they won’t get called up. I don’t think that’ll be the case – I think Curtis especially will have a very strong showing this season.

    Keep in mind, Curtis, Winfree and Golson are all younger than Gardner and all rated to have higher ceilings.

    On another note

    Just to reiterate something I said yesterday about Robertson. I take one positive from his showing yesterday, and that’s after he got pulled Eiland sat him down on the bench and right then and there and started teaching him. That’s something you never got from Mel. If a young pitcher imploded like Robertson did Mel offered nothing. He and Torre would just bury him in the back of the pen.

  7. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 14th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    Jerkface, ok, but it’s 7 games…

  8. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 14th, 2010 at 11:15 am

    I loved Mel, so I won’t comment on him, but yes- I liked that Eiland sat D-Rob down right away; the kid seemed to take it the right way.

  9. CountryClub April 14th, 2010 at 11:16 am

    Let’s say that again: It’s 7 games!!

    Players go into slumps at all times of the yr…maybe Jeter is in one right now. Man, let the guy (and everybody else) play 30 games.

  10. Crawdaddy April 14th, 2010 at 11:17 am

    So the Angels changed starters? I thought Kazmir was pitching today with Weaver going tomorrow.

  11. m April 14th, 2010 at 11:17 am

    How did this all start? And how did we come to the conclusion that Jeter is slumping?

  12. Crawdaddy April 14th, 2010 at 11:17 am

    I can’t discuss Jeter after 7 games. I leave that to the worrywarts to do.

  13. Jerkface April 14th, 2010 at 11:17 am

    Not much to talk about CountryClub, I’m not saying Jeter should be benched, but its something to watch. Everyone see’s his approach and the numbers back up what our eyes are seeing, so we can monitor Jeter and see what he does as the season goes on.

  14. m April 14th, 2010 at 11:19 am

    You know who’s off to a bad start? Ichiro.

  15. Crawdaddy April 14th, 2010 at 11:20 am

    Of course you’re not saying Jeter should be benched because you would be laughed off this blog.

  16. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 14th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    m April 14th, 2010 at 11:19 am
    You know who?s off to a bad start? Ichiro
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    I have noticed. He is one of Erica’s Avengers

  17. Jerkface April 14th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    ichiro struck out in the ugliest AB I have ever seen from him last night in the midst of seattle’s 20 inning scoreless streak. Luckily Milton Bradley saved the day.

  18. Phil Columbus April 14th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    Why is anyone saying Jeter is in a slump? He is hitting .303 and just hit a homer into the bullpen yesterday. Swinging at the first pitch from a pitcher that is trying to throw a first pitch fastball for a strike is the sign of a lifetime .317 hitter that has confidence in the ability to hit that pitch or hit a pitch later in the count should he miss it.

  19. Nick in SF in Larkspur April 14th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    It’s tough for Ichiro now that a genius is looking over his shoulder.

  20. tex's friend April 14th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    So the Angels changed starters? I thought Kazmir was pitching today with Weaver going tomorrow.

    ___

    kaz tomorrow vs. hughes.

    fuentes on the DL.

  21. Joekuh - Nick Johnson 1 Matsui 0. April 14th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    I know commentators always say that a changeup should be thrown almost as, if not just as, hard as a fastball. My question is, what makes the changeup get to the plate slower than a FB, if they’re being thrown just as hard?

  22. Erin April 14th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Erica- “I Don’t Want to Live on the Moon” on the ipod!

  23. Jerkface April 14th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Why is anyone saying Jeter is in a slump?

    I’m not sure anyone said Jeter is in a slump, but despite his .300 avg he hasn’t compiled the stats in the same manner that he normally does. If he maintains his 16% LD and 76% GB rate he probably won’t end the season at .300

  24. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 14th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Are we talking about the same Derek Jeter that hit the home run yesterday for the Yankees???

  25. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 14th, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Erin April 14th, 2010 at 11:26 am
    Erica- ?I Don?t Want to Live on the Moon? on the ipod!

    **********

    Be careful no one takes it and runs away with it and makes you chase them around your office :evil:

  26. Erin April 14th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Erica – always OPPC – Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 14th, 2010 at 11:27 am
    Erin April 14th, 2010 at 11:26 am
    Erica- ?I Don?t Want to Live on the Moon? on the ipod!

    **********

    Be careful no one takes it and runs away with it and makes you chase them around your office

    ************************
    Oh, no chance. They’d live to regret it.

  27. m April 14th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    I’m laughing because SC’s talking about Mike Blowers the announcer for the M’s. Apparently he predicted that Matt Tuisouoisuisuuoisuouspolo would hit a HR the other day.

    Then with Milton Bradley up, his partner asked him what was going to happen. “A 3-run homerun of course.” And lo & behold, he was right. He was really excited doing the homerun call.

  28. tex's friend April 14th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    I think i am going to trust that derek jeter knows how to play baseball and that he will end the year around or over .300 like always.

    stop looking for trouble where none exists.

  29. blake April 14th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    Let’s not worry about one of the best hitters of this generation and a guy that is going to have a legit chance at 4,000 hits after 7 games. Jeter isn’t a typical leadoff hitter, he’s up there to swing the stick as he should be. He realizes that the first pitch (especially to lead off games) is often the best pitch he will see.

    I trust he will make adjustments and change his approach if need be.

  30. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 14th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    If people are complaining about Derek Jeter this team must be in really awesome shape

  31. Jerkface April 14th, 2010 at 11:35 am

    I?m laughing because SC?s talking about Mike Blowers the announcer for the M?s. Apparently he predicted that Matt Tuisouoisuisuuoisuouspolo would hit a HR the other day.

    Then with Milton Bradley up, his partner asked him what was going to happen. ?A 3-run homerun of course.? And lo & behold, he was right. He was really excited doing the homerun call.

    It was actually Jay Buhner, but Mike Blowers is famous for calling a couple of HRs in seasons past down to the exact count the pitcher would give it up on. So Dave Sims asked Buhner and Buhner said Bradley would hit the HR, which prompted the excitement.

    Blowers was right next to Buhner though so theres a chance his ESP rubbed off on him

  32. Ron April 14th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Jete is in a slump? I have not noticed anything but Tex not hitting.. so early ..as usual…

  33. Jerkface April 14th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    stop looking for trouble where none exists.

    Jeter’s ground out and pull rate say otherwise. Its not about looking for trouble, its looking at what our current players are doing and giving you all something to look out for.

  34. CountryClub April 14th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    Just to be clear, I didnt say Jeter was in a slump. I was just offering an explanation as to why his approach might be a little off in the very early going (assuming it is off).

  35. m April 14th, 2010 at 11:40 am

    Jerkface,

    Thanks. It was more of a joke, so I’m not as impressed. :P

  36. blake April 14th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    Jerkface,
    7 games isn’t nearly enough sample size to draw any conclusions from ratios..he’s rolling over pitches more than usual because its early in the season. He will get the Jeterian stroke going soon enough…driving a pitch into the right center bullpen was a great sign.

  37. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 14th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    CC on WFAN in a few minutes

  38. Phil April 14th, 2010 at 11:43 am

    Why do so many female Yankee fans NOT like Jeter’s girlfriend?

  39. DYD INDA WUL April 14th, 2010 at 11:43 am

    Complaining about Jete’s hitting?

    Amazing.

  40. Erin April 14th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Phil April 14th, 2010 at 11:43 am
    Why do so many female Yankee fans NOT like Jeter?s girlfriend?

    *************************
    I like Minka!!

  41. Jerkface April 14th, 2010 at 11:45 am

    For whatever reason baseball-ref doesn’t count Jeters HR as being oppo field (it counts it up the middle) but Jeter doesn’t have any normal opposite field hits. Thats weird for him.
    He has hit a larger share of pitches than usual ‘up the middle’ (which includes balls fielded by the short stop) .

    If the HR is any indication he could be getting his opposite field stroke back, so it’ll be interesting to see if he starts taking more pitches the other way.

  42. tala08 April 14th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    For a board that prides itself on talking about baseball when there is no baseball issues to truly discuss (I mean the hypotheticals outweigh actual questions sometimes) I don’t know why people are acting like he said the Yankees should cut Jeter and eat his salary.

    He simply said he was swinging at first pitches more than he’s usually done and it’ll be something interesting (I’m guessing) to monitor.

  43. m April 14th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Minka’s okay. Kind of bland. But maybe that’s what Jeter really is. :P

    Seriously, Jessica Alba was the perfect girl to me. Everyone else pales in comparison.

  44. Jerkface April 14th, 2010 at 11:48 am

    To be clear, this is not complaining or worrying or anything, its merely looking at what one of our players is doing early in the season and seeing what we can draw from that.

    This blog has a penchant for doomsdayism but I never take part in that. I just like to observe baseball :x

  45. tex's friend April 14th, 2010 at 11:49 am

    a win today and they win the first three series for the first time in what feels like forever.

  46. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 14th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    m April 14th, 2010 at 11:47 am
    Minka?s okay. Kind of bland. But maybe that?s what Jeter really is.

    Seriously, Jessica Alba was the perfect girl to me. Everyone else pales in comparison.

    *************

    I don’t like Jessica Alba.

    I think Minka is adorible.

  47. CountryClub April 14th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    There’s nothing bland about Minka’s body.

  48. m April 14th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Jerkface,

    For someone who prides himself on the sample size thing, you should know you can’t draw anything at all!

  49. Phil April 14th, 2010 at 11:51 am

    That miss universe he dated years ago was awesome, and that yale actress he was with many years ago was quite a catch too.

  50. tex's friend April 14th, 2010 at 11:52 am

    and jessica biel.

  51. Chip April 14th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Um, I know I’m already complaining about Gardner, but seriously, complaining about Derek after 7 games????

  52. NYY626 April 14th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    I don’t like Jessica Alba.

    I think Minka is adorible.
    _________________________________________________________________________
    Ditto. Jessica Alba is supposedly not very nice either…

  53. Erin April 14th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    m April 14th, 2010 at 11:47 am
    Minka?s okay. Kind of bland. But maybe that?s what Jeter really is.

    Seriously, Jessica Alba was the perfect girl to me. Everyone else pales in comparison.

    *************************
    I disagree-I really like Minka. I can’t stand Jessica Alba. I don’t even know what it is-I’ve just never liked her. I do like Jessica Biel though. lol

  54. Erin April 14th, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Ledger_Yankees Which #NYY player just copped to switching @NickSwisher ‘s fake ring? That would be Mariano Rivera.

  55. tex's friend April 14th, 2010 at 11:55 am

    everyone likes Jessica Biel.

  56. Erin April 14th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    NYY626 April 14th, 2010 at 11:53 am
    I don’t like Jessica Alba.

    I think Minka is adorible.
    _________________________________________________________________________
    Ditto. Jessica Alba is supposedly not very nice either?

    ************************
    I’ve heard that too. I’m not surprised. lol

  57. m April 14th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Not a Jessica Biel fan. Not a big fan of veneers (sp?).

  58. pat April 14th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Jerry Hairston was just on ESPN2 and he is a lesson in gratitude.

    He talks about his short stint with the Yankees in terms that would warm a Yankee fans heart and has the perspective of how hard is to play at a high level and win.

    He gets it!

  59. pat April 14th, 2010 at 11:58 am

    Minka is very cute but her voice is like nails on a chalkboard.

  60. Tom B April 14th, 2010 at 11:58 am

    i’ve always felt like jessica biel is more “Rules of Attraction” than “7th Heaven”.

  61. stuckey April 14th, 2010 at 11:58 am

    “but despite his .300 avg he hasn’t compiled the stats in the same manner that he normally does. If he maintains his 16% LD and 76% GB rate he probably won’t end the season at .300″

    Jerk, the mistake you’re making is the dark side of sabremetrics. You’re agreeing that’s it’s too early to concern ourselves with his average, but suggesting his early LD% and GB% is “something to keep an eye on”.

    Advanced stats have small sample variances too. NO ONE would be nothing his LD% and GB% at all if over a 7 game stretch in June. It’s just that’s the FIRST 7 games that you’re allowing for the possibility it might be indicative.

    It’s too early to take note of most any offensive category.

    Ortiz missing 40% of the pitches he’s swinging at maybe, but CB/FB ratios after 7 games…. silly any way you want to slice it.

    Reminds me of last April’s “concerns” over Rivera’s velo.

  62. Phil April 14th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    i can see A-Rod with Megan Fox 1 night or a month or so.

  63. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 14th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    Aww, Pat – I’m ticked off that I missed that; I love Jerry. Last year after game 6, you could tell how much this meant to him; I believe his grandfather played in the Negro Leagues.

    I hope the Yanks continue the kangaroo court and that Mo gets “punished” for his part in the prank, lol.

    No one is getting on Jerkface; we’re just saying that 7 games is too early to have any tendencies worth noting.

  64. Chip April 14th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    Betsy -

    I will never discount what Joe and Mel meant to this team in the late 90s but I hold them both completely responsible for the failures of guys like Lilly, Weaver, Contreras and Javy to thrive here.

    When young (or new) pitchers struggled here Mel did nothing to help them. Torre would start giving them quicker and quicker hooks whenever there was a hint of trouble and as a result the pitchers felt as if they had to be perfect each time out or else they were going to get pulled after four innings. When you get a pitcher who feels like he can’t give up hits he stops being aggressive, which means he starts nibbling, which means he starts walking players which means he gets in trouble…

    I know Andy and Clemens swear by Mel but Andy had almost immediate success and Mel was very good at working with the established starters like Clemens, Cone, etc…who didn’t really need anything other than a reminder to stay back or follow through or watch their release point.

  65. blake April 14th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    The most concerning stat for big Papi right now is that he’s averaging about 3 minutes to complete a swing.

  66. tala08 April 14th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    One of my memories of Jerry will be the video of he and Alex playing stick ball with neighborhood kids.

  67. tala08 April 14th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    What is really wrong with him noting a “tendency” if he’s not bashing the player? Its harmless and he’s the one monitoring. No one else has to if they don’t want to.

  68. Erin April 14th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    tala08 April 14th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
    One of my memories of Jerry will be the video of he and Alex playing stick ball with neighborhood kids.

    ************************
    I forgot about that! That was great.

  69. Chip April 14th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Can I just add in – I’m so thrilled to not be a Met fan.

  70. Nick in SF in Larkspur April 14th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Jerkface should be grateful there are even stats for him to monitor? :(

  71. stuckey April 14th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    “I don’t believe that the Yankees view him as anything other than a place holder until Carl Crawford becomes available and so I don’t think they’ll hesitate to replace him mid season if he looks lost at the plate and an outfielder at AAA is showing some promise.”

    What you mean to say is that’s what YOU think do you assume the Yankees feel that way too.

    Other than your own personal regard for him, what indications/comments can you cite in regards to knowing how the YANKEES think?

    “I think Curtis especially will have a very strong showing this season.

    Keep in mind, Curtis, Winfree and Golson are all younger than Gardner and all rated to have higher ceilings.”

    By whom?

    I didn’t get the sense any where considered legit prospects.

    But again, all you’ve done here is use Gardner’s .250 avg in 5 starts as an excuse to reiterate your predetermined impression of him – just to state again what your expectation was before the 1st pitch of 2010 was ever thrown.

    Which is fine, but let’s be upfront about that.

  72. Erin April 14th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    JackCurryYES GM Brian Cashman told me the home opener was basically a perfect day for the Yanks. He loved how the 2010 team reminded him of the 2009 team

  73. Trevor April 14th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    CC on with Joe and Evan now.

  74. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 14th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    blake April 14th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
    The most concerning stat for big Papi right now is that he?s averaging about 3 minutes to complete a swing.
    ************

    Is that why the games are so long??????? :lol:

  75. Phil Columbus April 14th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Betsy
    They show First Take again from 12-2 on ESPN 2. He was on the last half hour of the show. Should be on again at 1:30

  76. blake April 14th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    Erica,

    Yes I think we have pinpointed the main culprit in the length of Yankees/red sox games.

  77. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 14th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    Phil, thanks! I’m not home, unfortunately – I’ll see if I can get someone to tape it for me.

    NICE comment from Cash about this team; that’s a big compliment and it speaks to the quality of the players/people on this team that it’s been such a smooth transition from one year to the next.

  78. stuckey April 14th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    “The most concerning stat for big Papi right now is that he’s averaging about 3 minutes to complete a swing.”

    You mean his velocity is down?

    Gotta be Brian Cashman’s fault.

    Damn those Papi Rules.

  79. blake April 14th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Stuckey,

    Probably…the Yankees sent Cashman and Eiland in as secret operatives to decrease Papi’s bat speed. The

  80. SJ44 April 14th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Chip,

    No take on my bet to you? 0.0% chance Curtis, Winfree or Golston replace Gardner this year in LF. Not going to happen.

    As stuckey said, just because YOU don’t like Gardner doesn’t mean that view is shared by the decisionmakers.

    If he can’t cut it, they will go to Winn next. If he can’t cut it, they will go outside the organization to fill the hole. IF, its indeed a hole.

    The three guys you mentioned? At best, September callups.

    They aren’t in the Yankees plans this year.

  81. Matty Viernes April 14th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    I had a silly question thinking about Hairston – both Melky and Hinske were playing in the same game Hairston was (ATL vs. SD) – but they weren’t there – and I know Melky is close with Alex and Cano and was a fan favorite. I guess Melky is just going to get his ring mailed to him?

    It’s unfortunate that this idea didn’t pop into the head of Melky of what Hairston did, because it was pretty cool.

  82. Brandon's Awesome (I make throws more awesome than Bernie ever did) April 14th, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    Joe & Evan the worst interview ever, you have CC Sabathia on your show, PO MVP, and all they to him about is LeBron James and NBA talk.

  83. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 14th, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    CC is cool; he certainly enjoys talking basketball, lol.

  84. SJ44 April 14th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    One last point on this, in what world do those AAA OF’s have “higher ceilings” than Gardner?

    Certainly not in the baseball world.

    Gardner has outperformed all those guys when he was in AAA.

    They have “higher ceilings” in YOUR eyes. Not in the Yankees eyes.

    If any of them did, they would be in LF right now.

  85. Brandon's Awesome (I make throws more awesome than Bernie ever did) April 14th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    *all they talk to him about is LeBron James and NBA talk*

  86. Trevor April 14th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    CC breaking down the NBA playoffs. :D

  87. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 14th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    This board amazes me sometimes-

    Reading the comments yesterday and today, everyone is very concerned about players such as Jerry Hairston Jr, Hinske, and Melky getting their rings.

    No one (other than me) mentions Johnny Damon. I really missed him yesterday. I also think its rather disgusting that no one acknowledges his 4 years in pinstripes and his role in getting the 2009 Yankees their rings

  88. blake April 14th, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    I think the Yankees probably view Gardner as a place holder for Crawford but are hoping he progresses enough this year so that they don’t have to sign Crawford.

    I doubt Gardner will ever swing the bat as well as Crawford, but does h have a chance to be nearly his equal in the other facets of the game…maybe..and if so will be that be enough to keep them from spending the money to sign Carl..who knows..guess we will find out.

  89. GGBG (50 SB's for me!) April 14th, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Who said Jeter was slumping? I started this whole thing in the previous post with a post saying it seemed to me he was swinging at more first pitches than normal – and wondering why that was.

    How that evolved into Jeter was slumping is beyond me.

  90. GGBG (50 SB's for me!) April 14th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    SJ

    The people (person?) who thinks the AAA guys have a higher ceiling than Gardner suffer from “The grass is greener” syndrome. They will always assume guys they can see have huge warts while guys they can’t see are great.

    Given the choice between a good player in front of them and the thought of someone better who plays somewhere else, they’ll invariably argue for the someone else.

  91. SJ44 April 14th, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Blake,

    Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!

    If Gardner puts up the numbers he did last year, stretched out over the course of a full season, and plays solid D, the Yankees aren’t replacing him this year.

    If he exceeds that? They have a decision to make re: Crawford in the off-season.

    Replaced by any of the AAA OF’s at ANY point this year? Not happening.

  92. Matty Viernes April 14th, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Erica – I would think Damon would get his ring on 5/10 or 8/16. Probably 8/16, because the bad blood between the Yankees and Damon would have settled by then.

    Damon screwed himself with his Agent making outlandish demands. Melky had no control over leaving the Yankees, and Hairston and Hinske were just “happy to be here” players.

  93. Chip April 14th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Stucky –

    Do you believe the Yankees will go into this winter and say “forget Carl Crawford. We have Brett Gardner!”

    You’re right – I don’t have much regard for Gardner; I think some Yankee fans want to delude themselves into believing he’s going to be a Scott Podsednik or Juan Pierre – or even a Carl Crawford type – but he’s got a long long way to go before he is at that level. The only thing he has in common with them is that he’s fast.

    Consider this for a second: Baseball players are evaluated in terms of 5 Tools:

    Speed & baserunning
    Average Hitting
    Power Hitting
    Throwing ability
    Defensive ability

    Brett is superior in one category, but he is below average to awful in the other four. We’ve seen his inability to hit (especially for power). The majority of his hits for average are a result of him using that speed to leg out infield singles. He takes awful routes to the ball (which his speed sometimes covers up) and he has a weak arm which he augments by putting his entire body into a throw (ala Chad Curtis) but the result is that you don’t know where the ball is going half the time.

    I know that the standard response will be “you’re discounting the fact that he’s a gritty, high energy guy…”

    My response to that is that is the same rational the Yankees gave for carrying Wil Nieves as their back up catcher a couple of years ago. Being a high energy guy is all well and good, but you also need talent – I just don’t believe Brett has that.

    There is a place for him on the team much like there was a place for Homer Bush and Dave Roberts on championship teams, but that place is not in the starting lineup.

  94. Nick in SF in Larkspur April 14th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    $1 discount on tickets for todays’s Altoon (PA) Curves AA game if you bring your hunting or ‘furtaker’ license.

    The opponent: the Richmond Flying Squirrels.

  95. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 14th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    Erica, what would you like us to say? We’ve talked about Damon ad nauseum here. Jerry Hairston took time off to fly to YS to receive his ring; in fact, he took a red-eye because it was that important for him to be there. I appreciate that and so do others. Damon’s team was playing yesterday – that’s unfortunate for him, but we don’t even know if he would have flown out to be there (Bruney and Wang didn’t). Damon has gotten more than his share of appreciation on this board.

  96. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 14th, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    I would much prefer Crawford over Gardner, it’s not even close; my only hesitation about Crawford is the years.

  97. Chip April 14th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Blake –

    There is absolutely nothing Brett Gardner could do this season that would convince the Yankees not to go after Carl Crawford.

    In fact, the only way the Yankees don’t go after Crawford is if Carl suffers some massive injury this year.

  98. stuckey April 14th, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    I asked this question and I’ll ask again. Given Crawford isn’t a OPS guy or much of a power guy, and given expectations of the years he’ll command (and those who noted Torii Hunter’s SEEMINGLY lack of step yesterday, that he’s only 34), how good to Gardner actually need to be, particularly if Granderson, Swisher and Cano all take steps forward this year to make him and his cost controlled salary good enough for LF?

    The bar probably isn’t as high as you might expect.

  99. blake April 14th, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    If Gardner plays solid defense, becomes a quality pest in the #9 hole and turns every hit or walk into a double by stealing then SJ is right…they will have a big decision to make..how much more than that would Crawford add and is it worth the significantly more money for that difference. Should be interesting to watch unfold…I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Brett this far.

  100. Erin April 14th, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    Erica-you’re right, it would have been very nice if Damon had been able to go yesterday. I’m sure the guys would have loved to see him there.

  101. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 14th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    SJ, Gardner produced for 2 months last year; I doubt he’s going to keep that up. I guess I don’t get why people are so high on him.

  102. pat April 14th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Erica

    Wish he was there but he had a hand in his departure unlike some of the others.

  103. GGBG (50 SB's for me!) April 14th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Straight up comparison, Crawford vs. Gardner everyone would take Crawford. He’s a much better player. Anyone who says differently is fooling themselves.

    That said, if Gardner proves to be serviceable maybe the money they would have spent on Crawford could be applied better in other places.

  104. Yanksgal07 April 14th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    I posted this on the wrong post …duh !!! Here it is again …sorry …

    I was at the game yesterday and it was absolutely amazing !! I just finished reading some of the comments about the ovations..I don’t know what you heard on the radio or TV but someone saying Alex’s ovation compared to Mitre’s was so wrong…just like many of the conments that were made. Alex was cheered loudly ..maybe not as prolonged as Mo or Jeter but it was loud. Most of the major guys …Cano, Posada, CC, AJ, Tex, etc. received loud applause but the fans did a great job of cheering everyone. Gene Monahan’s was very touching …Matsui had the loudest of all with chants of his name. He looked so happy especially when everyone ran over to hug him. I wasn’t the only one who had tears in her eyes at that point ..it was very touching. Matsui received a loud ovation as he stepped to the plate too..that is until the first strike was called and the cheers were reversed …lol.

    Alex was soooooooo happy …waving the ring box at the crowd as they cheered. He put it on his hand immediately. He looked like a kid …he was adorable. The grins on all of the Yankees was so heartwarming ..especially the kids like Joba and Phil. It was great seeing Jerry Hairston make the trip. I wish Melky, Wang, Damon & Bruney could have been there
    too.

    During the game they showed Mr. Steinbrenner and his wife on the big screen and again the stadium erupted into cheers & applause. One of the signs read “Let’s do it again in 2010? I say amen to that !! The ceremony and the Yankee win made it a great day to be a Yankee and a Yankee fan…of course for me …everyday is a great day to be a Yankee fan … :)

    Go Yankees 2010 !!!

  105. kd April 14th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    why wouldn’t brett gardner put up better numbers than last year? he’s got more experience, entering his ‘prime’ and has another year of kevin long and other yankees to talk to about hitting. his defense in left is solid. he’s a disturbance to opponents of the basepaths, and is not an embarrassment to the organization. folks, he’s never going to be willie mays out there. but if he does his job, this team is better off.

  106. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 14th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    There’s a pic in the Daily News of Alex with his ring; he looks so happy – it’s a really great pic.

  107. Phil the Thrill April 14th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    Carl Crawford’s overrated.

  108. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 14th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    Betsy – Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 14th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
    Erica, what would you like us to say? We?ve talked about Damon ad nauseum here. Jerry Hairston took time off to fly to YS to receive his ring; in fact, he took a red-eye because it was that important for him to be there. I appreciate that and so do others. Damon?s team was playing yesterday ? that?s unfortunate for him, but we don?t even know if he would have flown out to be there (Bruney and Wang didn?t). Damon has gotten more than his share of appreciation on this board.

    ****************

    I am just saying it would be really nice if someone (other than me) said, “Gee, it sucks Damon isn’t here to enjoy this moment”.

    I realize he had a hand in his not being there, but people can’t seem to get past the ugly departure and remember the good times with Johnny as a Yankee

  109. Erin April 14th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Yanksgal07 that’s so cool you were there! I’m jealous! I’m sure that’ll be something you’ll never forget.

  110. blake April 14th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Chip,
    I don’t agree. I absolutely think Gardner can progress enough to keep his job. I don’t know if he will or not but I do think he can..the Yankees aren’t going to make decision before its time to make it. The jury is still out and there is more info to gather first…they used to make decisions like that..theu don’t anymore.

  111. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 14th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Btw- if I was a fan of the San Diego Padres I would be rather offended by Hairston flying across the country to take part in the Yankee ring day ceremony.

    I realize he probably never will get that chance again-

    However, can you imagine if a new Yankee left the team to go get his ring from another team? He would be absolutely crucified by the New York Media and fans for his loyalty

  112. stuckey April 14th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Chip, well at least the conversation has turned to what you REALLY wanted to talk about…

    ?Do you believe the Yankees will go into this winter and say “forget Carl Crawford. We have Brett Gardner!” ”

    I think that’s entirely possible, yes.

    “The majority of his hits for average are a result of him using that speed to leg out infield singles.”

    Which is just as good as a line drive.

    “I know that the standard response will be “you’re discounting the fact that he’s a gritty, high energy guy…” ”

    Never used those words to describe Gardner in my life.

    “There is absolutely nothing Brett Gardner could do this season that would convince the Yankees not to go after Carl Crawford.”

    There is NOTHING he can do THIS year. It’s what he can do NEXT year, which is make about $14-15M LESS than Carl Crawford. And if you think that won’t be a factor, you’re not paying close enough attention.

    Now I’m not saying there is NO way they go after Crawford. But if Gardner can put in a .275/.350./.380 line, steal 50 bases, score 90+ runs, see a LOT of pitches from the 9 hole and play good defense, the difference between him and Carl Crawford is still demonstrative, but not as significant as you might think.

  113. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 14th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Erica, I just think people have moved on. I’m not happy with how Damon handled things, but I don’t think about it anymore because I’m concentrating on my team and our new players. We really don’t know if Damon would have shown up yesterday had he a day off; Bruney and Wang didn’t. It would have been nice had he been here and I’m sure he would have gotten a warm reception. It was just the luck of the draw that the Angels were in town with Matsui.

  114. m April 14th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    I’m a Brett Gardner fan, but even I can’t see the Yankees not taking a run at Crawford.

    However, this is the second straight year @ $206M payroll.

    If, like someone alluded, another team should like Crawford as much as the Yankees, he might be priced out.

    Carl Crawford at a Damon’s 2005 money would be perfect. Crawford at Matt Holliday type of money would not be.

    Lots to take into consideration. Like Jeter & Mo’s contracts. And how the market for Crawford plays out.

    I suspect the Yankees will put a value on Crawford and not exceed it. Well, not significantly exceed it. :P

  115. Chip April 14th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Blake –

    Gardner vs. Crawford is even less of a decision for the Yankees than Austin Jackson vs. Granderson was.

    There is no chance, none at all, that Brett Gardner ever evolves into half the player that Crawford is or that Crawford will be over the next 5 years.

    Now if Crawford wants a 10 year deal – that’s another story.

    As for the money (as suggested by GGBG) I don’t see where else the Yankees would spend it.

    Figure they’ve already budgeted for Mo and Jeter and more than likely they’ll find common ground with Javy if he performs well and if he doesn’t – that money could be used on Cliff Lee.

    The FA market is relatively thin after that – Victor Martinez and Jayson Werth are the other big ticket items and neither fit the Yankee needs as much as a dynamic LF and #2 hitter would.

  116. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 14th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Erica, now that I do not get. Hairston has every right to do what he wants to do with his day off. How exactly was he disloyal to the Padres? Was Matsui disloyal to the Angels? I promise you the Padres were not upset about Hairston – and if they were, it would say something (not positive) about them.

  117. stuckey April 14th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    “SJ, Gardner produced for 2 months last year; I doubt he’s going to keep that up. I guess I don’t get why people are so high on him.”

    Try to express into words why you are so low on him?

  118. Patrick April 14th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Ditto. Jessica Alba is supposedly not very nice either?

    ——

    Nah, I met her once and she was very nice. But I guess not everyone is nice all the time. She’s also the prettiest of all Jeter’s ex-girlfriends.

  119. blake April 14th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    The question isn’t who is better: Crawford or Gardner?

    The question is: is what Crawford brings to the table worth more than than the difference in salary between Crawford and Gardner? There isn’t enough information to answer that question right now.

  120. stuckey April 14th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    “As for the money (as suggested by GGBG) I don’t see where else the Yankees would spend it.”

    What makes you assume the Yankees will want to make any big free agent signings next year?

  121. SJ44 April 14th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Chip,

    Actually, your “evaluation” of Gardner is wrong. He is above average defensively. His speed also above average. As a hitter, in his small sample size as a major league player, he is average. His power is below average and his arm (for a guy his size), is average.

    So what? He’s more serviceable than any of the AAA guys you think will replace him, your original premise that I see you are now backing off from.

    Betsy,

    The guy has had less than 700 ML AB’s. Its impossible for ANYBODY to say “he can’t play” yet.

    Just because people on a blog do, doesn’t make them correct.

    In the first week, the guy has played solid D, had excellent AB’s, and helped fuel some rallies.

    It took a great play by Aybar with the bases loaded yesterday to keep him from not driving in 2 runs in a great AB.

    He is the 9th place hitter in a stacked lineup. If he just duplicates his numbers from last year, which at least so far, he is showing the possiblity he can, he helps this team.

    Certainly more than anybody else they have on the 25 man roster or in AAA at this time.

  122. MattNC April 14th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    # Joekuh – Nick Johnson 1 Matsui 0. April 14th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    I know commentators always say that a changeup should be thrown almost as, if not just as, hard as a fastball. My question is, what makes the changeup get to the plate slower than a FB, if they’re being thrown just as hard?

    *********************

    The change-up uses a less “efficient” grip. For a fastball, the thumb, forefinger and middle finger are used. This is the most efficient grip for attaining maximum velocity. With the change-up, the middle finger, ring finger and pinkie are typically used. The arm speed can therefore be almost as high as for the fastball, but the ball will come out with a smaller % of the hand speed.

  123. Nick in SF in Larkspur April 14th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    It’s a shame Johnny Damon couldn’t enjoy yesterday’s ring ceremony the way he got to enjoy the ring ceremony in Boston in 2005. :mad:

  124. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 14th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    Betsy – Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 14th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    Erica, now that I do not get. Hairston has every right to do what he wants to do with his day off. How exactly was he disloyal to the Padres? Was Matsui disloyal to the Angels? I promise you the Padres were not upset about Hairston ? and if they were, it would say something (not positive) about them.

    ************

    If a Yankee flew across the country on a redeye on his day off instead of resting to take part in a ceremony with his former team, it would be a big deal. Especially if he underperformed afterwards because he was exhausted. The media would have a fit.

    To be honest with you- I am surprised the Padres let him do it

  125. Joe from Long Island April 14th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    Before the game starts, I’d like to throw something out there into the ether –

    Is Hideki Matsui a HOF candidate? I don’t remember where I read this the other day, but it got me started thinking (always dangerous). Yeah, he might not make the 10-year threshold in MLB, but what about his time playing in Japan? Just like the old Negro League players have been included in the Hall, should international stars like Matsui have their non-MLB careers considered? What if Hideki couldn’t/didn’t play after this season?

    Any thoughts? My opinion – it’s the 21st century, and the world is smaller than generations ago. A player’s career pre-MLB should be considered.

  126. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 14th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    new thread :arrow:

  127. pat April 14th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    Erica

    I would have no problem with a Yankee player as long as they didn’t miss a Yankee game to do it.

  128. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 14th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    Stuckey, maybe people should express why they are so high on Gardner instead of me having to explain. There are plenty of players in the majors who just aren’t good hitters, but I doubt their results are constantly chalked up to a poor batting style/mechanics/whatever the way Brett’s are. I don’t think he’s very good, but as I said earlier, I’m fine at this point with seeing what he’s got.

  129. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 14th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Erica, I completely disagree.

  130. blake April 14th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Chip,
    I agree that its very likely that Gardner will never be as good a player as Crawford is.

    But as I said before, that isn’t the question and won’t be the only factor determining whether they sign him. Crawford is a better player…is he 90 million better?…that’s the question.

  131. GGBG (50 SB's for me!) April 14th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Chip

    There is also the possibility – however slight and however revolting to most Yankee fans – that they just might keep Gardner and lower the payroll. Just because it’s been at $206 million does not necessarily mean it will stay there. If Gardner proves to be a good pest kind of player (Good OBP, does the little things, grinds AB’s, disrupts the game with his speed) they very well could be content with him without laying out another $15,000,000 contract.

    I do recall – not so long ago – that there was a time when the Yankees did not have $10,000,000+ all-star players at every position. It’s a fading memory but it’s still there.

  132. Chip April 14th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Now I’m not saying there is NO way they go after Crawford. But if Gardner can put in a .275/.350./.380 line, steal 50 bases, score 90+ runs, see a LOT of pitches from the 9 hole and play good defense, the difference between him and Carl Crawford is still demonstrative, but not as significant as you might think.

    My problem is that he doesn’t see pitches.

    Look, I have no problem with slap hitters who don’t have any power – but if you don’t have power you had better have a fantastic eye at the plate. Gardner doesn’t. He has a career OBP of .326 which is respectable if you’re going to hit even a dozen homeruns, but if all you offer is speed, then you need to be on base more than that.

    Guys like Pierre or Podsednik get on base in the high .340s and they’re considered marginal major leaguers by most.

    (the fact that Crawford’s OBP is .337 doesn’t help my argument, but he does bring more to the table in the other categories)

  133. Trevor April 14th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    I think Damon would have shown up had he been off. Coke I don’t think so. And Bruney and Wang probably didn’t come cause they were let go.

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