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Game 10: Yankees vs. Rangers

Posted by: Josh Thomson - Posted in Misc on Apr 16, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

YANKEES
Jeter SS
Johnson DH
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Thames LF
Granderson CF
Cervelli C

LHP CC Sabathia (1-0, 3.46)
Career vs. Rangers

RANGERS
Borbon CF
Young 3B
Hamilton LF
Guerrero DH
Cruz RF
Davis 1B
Arias 2B
Teagarden C
Andrus SS

LHP C.J. Wilson (0-0, 0.00)
Career vs. Yankees

TIME/TV: 7:05 p.m./YES

UMPIRES: HP Tim Timmons, 1B D.J. Reyburn, 2B Mike DiMuro, 3B Tim Welke (crew chief)

WEATHER: It doesn’t look so hot. A chance of thunderstorms and an 80 percent chance of rain. Lows in the lower 50s.

MILESTONES AT STAKE: Several Yankees could reach personal of club milestones this series. Joe Girardi needs just two wins for No. 200 as a manager. Derek Jeter is just two doubles shy of Don Mattingly (442) for third on the club’s all-time list. Jorge Posada is just two hits shy of 1,500 for his career. And Alex Rodriguez needs one home run to pass Mark McGwire (583) for sole possession of eighth place on baseball’s all-time list.

I’m in for Chad today and will have more from the clubhouse in a bit…

UPDATE, 6:10 p.m.: It just started raining here at the Stadium. The Rangers are taking BP at the moment.

Hang tight. I’ll have news and notes in a bit.

UPDATE, 6:22 p.m.: As you may have read on Twitter, Chan Ho Park (right hamstring) was placed on the 15-day disabled list. The Yankees promoted LHP Boone Logan, who, according to Joe Girardi, may or may not be down in time for the game. (He said it depends on traffic — no joke.) Park said he expects to rest for three or four days but should be fine after that. An exam by the doctor led to an MRI, which revealed a low-level strain. It is the same hamstring Park injured last season with the Phillies but a different area. He had no problem with the club DL-ing him to be careful. “When you get to my age, you have to be careful,” Park said.

Park joked that he wanted to be clear about one more thing: “It’s not diarrhea.” And if you don’t know what I mean, YouTube it.

On more serious matters, the Yankees expect they can use Logan for as many as 40 pitches in one outing. He pitched 2.1 IP on Thursday for Scranton. And the club has faith in him, even if Logan didn’t make the team out of camp. “What’s unfortunate for him is that we have a very deep bullpen,” Girardi said. “I think he would have made a lot of other clubs.”

Francisco Cervelli will start in place of Jorge Posada tonight. Girardi didn’t mention Cervelli’s success with Sabathia during Sabathia’s near no-hit bid as a reason. He said Posada caught three days in a row and is unlikely to catch four straight so early in the season. “That’s probably not something we’ll do a lot of early on,” Girardi said.

Let me know if you have any questions. I’ll be around.

UPDATE, 7:05 p.m.: CC is on the bump and we are about to begin. It is very bitter out. The wind is blowing in toward home plate and is quite strong. (Translation: I should’ve brought a bigger jacket.)

UPDATE, 7:17 p.m.: Rangers lead 1-0 in the middle of the first. I think it’s safe to say Brett Gardner would’ve played Josh Hamilton’s “double” a little better in left. That said, I think the wind held that ball in the park.

UPDATE, 7:20 p.m.: Jeter now has a 10-game hitting streak to start the season.

UPDATE, 7:24 p.m.: Yankees tie it 1-1. That was scored a passed ball. Agree?

UPDATE, 7:36 p.m.: That’s four straight K’s for Sabathia. He looks sharp and could very well have tossed up two more hitless frames there were it not for so-so defense.

UPDATE, 7:41 p.m.: Apparently, everything’s a base hit tonight.

UPDATE, 8:04 p.m.: Sabathia has retired 11 straight now. Only one of the last 10 has hit the ball out of the infield.

UPDATE, 8:09 p.m.: A Yankee record? You betcha. Cano just hit safely in his 10th straight game to open the season. He and Jeter became the first pair of Yankee teammates to accomplish that feat in club history.

UPDATE, 8:17 p.m.: Yankees now lead 3-1 midway through the bottom of the fourth. All four runs have scored tonight without the help of a hit.

UPDATE, 8:18 p.m.: Oops, I spoke to soon. Cervelli’s RBI single makes it a 4-1 Yankee lead.

UPDATE, 8:38 p.m.: The game is official.

UPDATE, 8:46 p.m.: Sabathia has now tossed just 72 pitches through six. He has thrown a remarkable 57 strikes. Does someone not want a visit from the manager tonight, hmm?

UPDATE, 8:57 p.m.: That was a perfect time to steal for Brett Gardner. Don’t take the bat out of Granderson’s hands when an extra-base hit would score Gardner from first. But after Grandy struck out, Gardner had to run. The Yankees could use an insurance run, even with CC humming along.

UPDATE, 9:01 p.m.: The rain has really picked up here. Was that really a hit by Jeter. Me thinks not. The players are lucky I’m not scoring this game.

UPDATE, 9:05 p.m.: After the last out in the sixth, the tarp is on the field. We’re going to a rain delay. Yanks lead 5-1.

UPDATE, 9:25 p.m.: As it pours here at the Stadium and fans duck for cover (or leave), here’s my rain-delay related question to ponder:

When you’re watching a Yankee game on Ch. 9 (or, if you’re unlucky, a Mets game on Ch. 11), the network always switches to reruns to kill time. What’s your favorite rain delay show?

To begin the discussion, here’s mine: Cheers, Kirstie Alley/Woody Harrelson years, of course.

UPDATE, 9:47 p.m.: No update yet. We’re still in a rain delay here. They were showing Devils-Flyers on the scoreboard. Most fans booed. The video people since switched to a “Rain Delay” graphic.

There are several jokes in there.

UPDATE, 10:10 p.m.: Cue Sinatra. The game has been called. Yanks win 5-1. The rain delay was 1:05.

 
 

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928 Responses to “Game 10: Yankees vs. Rangers”

  1. S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Where the hell is everyone?
    I miss the days some idiot yelled out FIRST!!

    Primero!!

  2. Jason Voorhees April 16th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Good chance they won’t get this game in.

  3. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    ugh…. rain?!?

  4. muffinstump April 16th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    radar looks nasty starting from scranton to albany and then some southwest of buffalo. which way is that weather heading?

  5. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    It’s been a long time since the Yankees pulled of this trick of team mates that had two triples and two homers in the same game. 50 years ago, to be exact.

    I’m ashamed to say that I stole this from ESPN.

    “Curtis Granderson had two triples and, according to ESPN Stats and Info, the last time Yankees teammates teamed up for two homers (Cano) and two triples, the names were Elston Howard and Tony Kubek and the year was 1960.?

    even stranger was that it was catcher Elson Howard with the 2 triples and Tony Kubel with the 2 homers. Howard had 3 triples on the season and Kubek had 3 homers on the season.

    “Baseball!!!! You never know”.

  6. Erin April 16th, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    Jason Voorhees April 16th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
    Good chance they won?t get this game in.

    *************************
    :(

  7. Tom B - April 16th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Late Afternoon: A slight chance of showers after 5pm. Cloudy, with a high near 57. East southeast wind around 11 mph. Chance of precipitation is 20%.

    Tonight: Showers and possibly a thunderstorm before 2am, then a chance of showers. Low around 49. East wind 7 to 9 mph becoming north. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New rainfall amounts between a quarter and half of an inch possible.

    http://forecast.weather.gov/Ma.....2=-73.8762

  8. Tom B - April 16th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    Looks like it won’t start raining til later…

  9. MTU (aka GBURL) April 16th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    If the Yankees don’t get this game in we can just sit back and watch the Sox and Rays beat each others brains in tonite. :)

  10. Erin April 16th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    MTU (aka GBURL) April 16th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
    If the Yankees don?t get this game in we can just sit back and watch the Sox and Rays beat each others brains in tonite.

    ***********************
    LOL

    Now that’s a plan ;)

  11. MTU (aka GBURL) April 16th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Erin-

    I am a fan with a plan. :)

  12. Jason Voorhees April 16th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    My analysis is from weather.com. Obviously, everyone hopes for the opposite. There looks to be a slight break from 8-10 or so, but then from 10 on it’s supposed to come down.

  13. Jason Voorhees April 16th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Shouldn’t say “analysis” as I should say “that’s what I saw on…”

  14. Nap April 16th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Yo, Josh. What’s up man. I’ve been missing you, man. I hope we’ll see you more regularly…

  15. burrman April 16th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    ill be at the game tonight so it better not rain!

  16. TC 223 April 16th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    You know it’s not a Yankee home game without an ominous weather forecast…

  17. MTU (aka GBURL) April 16th, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    Randy-

    Girardi fooled me.

    I was expecting Cervy to catch AJ Sat.

    Oh well.

  18. stuckey April 16th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    I’m a firm believer in baseball being a 3-act show (April-May, June-July, Aug-Sept) and the first act rarely dictates the course of the year, but if by May 13th the Red Sox don’t create a little lead for themselves, it might catch up with them later.

    23 home games vs 12 road games, 6 games with the Yanks at home and 4 against the Rays.

    I won’t say need, but they want to take advantage.

  19. SAS April 16th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Doreen:

    Doreen:My line up for the game:

    Jeter SS
    Johnson DH
    Teixera 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Cano 2B
    Granderson CF
    Cervelli C
    Swisher RF
    Gardner LF

    Thanks

  20. stuckey April 16th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    “Thames LF”

    And away we go…

  21. MTU (aka GBURL) April 16th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Another lefty for Thames to mash. ;)

  22. Dan April 16th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Do the Yankees believe in Gardner or not? The guy NEVER plays… when we face lefties, it’s always Thames. So the Yanks think he is a platoon playe?

    Why did they say he is the everyday LF’er when he isin;t? Stop jerking the kid around and put him out there for 150 games.

  23. MTU (aka GBURL) April 16th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Wilson has a very lively FB.

    Do not know much about his secondary offerings.

  24. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Watching the Cubs game on TV. I’m converting to a Cubs fan…at least for today. Some little beauty with a t-shirt that says “I Only Kiss Cubs Fans” has converted me.

  25. Rick April 16th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Even this early in the season, Girardi should consider taking Derek or Alex out when the team is holding a sizable lead late in the game and give Ramiro Pena time at either position plus a possible at bat. The same with Frankie Cervelli behind the plate.

  26. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    MTU. raining in boston too.

  27. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 16th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    The winner of today’s GTLU is: Joe Girardi.

    Thanks again for playing and keeping me occupied and out of trouble. :)

  28. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 16th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    SAS -

    I appreciate your submitting a lineup, but for 7 pm games, lineups are accepted from 12:30 to 3:00 pm.

    Thanks.

  29. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Do the Yankees believe in Gardner or not? The guy NEVER plays… when we face lefties, it’s always Thames. So the Yanks think he is a platoon playe?

    Why did they say he is the everyday LF’er when he isin;t? Stop jerking the kid around and put him out there for 150 games.

    ___

    Yeah well as long as Thames hits lefties and Gardner hits .200, dont think he is going to convince Joe to start him against lefties. Just like yesterday, after Wilson is out, Gardner will be in.

  30. BJK April 16th, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Looks like Gardner and Thames are in full platoon mode now, at least until Thames’ bat cools down a bit.

  31. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    they are 6-3. please stop complaining about whether or not Brett Gardner deserves to be playing everyday.

  32. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Dear LoHudders: I don’t expect any of you to care one way or another about my personal happiness, but please consider that both times I watched CC Sabathia pitch in person in 2009 — in Oakland and in Los Angeles of Anaheim in the ALCS — he was masterful and the Yankees won both games.

    So please consider wishing for no rainouts and/or no changes in the rotation so that CC will stay in line to pitch in Oakland next Thursday afternoon and he and I can keep the magic going.

    Thank you for your consideration.

  33. champ809 April 16th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Does this mean that ‘Velli is now C.C.’s personal catcher?

  34. ben April 16th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Swisher mashes off CJ Wilson – 5/16, 1.27 OPS

    Remember, all of that was as a closer, so hitters should do better against him on the second or third time around.

  35. muffinstump April 16th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    oh, i so almost won gtlu! just had grandy and thames flipped in the order.

  36. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Cervelli seems to love working with CC also.

  37. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 16th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Honorable mention today goes to muffinstump. His/her lineup was closest to Girardi’s. He/she switched Grandy and Thames.

    Congratulations, muffinstump!

  38. S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    SAS?

    =====

    I had to take a double take and make sure my computer wasnt posessed.

    Does anyone else think that Mo should not have been used last night? So we longer pitch him 2 innings a game. But it seems like hes been in there everyday. Girardi has to find out if he can trust these guys going for the 8th inning role. I wanted to see Joba work his way out of the jam he put himself in. Thoughts?
    BTW, how long do you guys think it will take until we see Melancon back up here?

  39. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    @Doreen: do you keep stats on W/L records for the GTLU entrants?

    If so, did SAS dodge a bullet by not having his incorrect lineup counted as an official entry?

    Total number of correct lineups guessed over the season is obviously the top goal, but given that lots of people won’t be able to play all the time, overall win % would be a nice consolation prize for someone.

    Has the defending champ even played yet this season????

  40. Erin April 16th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    LoHudYankees Cervelli said it’s no big deal that he’s starting tonight. Said he works well with CC because CC treats him like a catcher not a rookie. -JT

  41. muffinstump April 16th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    # champ809 April 16th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Does this mean that ‘Velli is now C.C.’s personal catcher?
    _____________________

    no, just coincidence. think girardi just wanted to give po a rest at the mid-point to monday’s off day.

  42. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    When did Marcus Thames go from being the 5th outfielder and occasional pinch hitter to being LF platoon starter? Girardi is way too obsessed with this lefty-righty nonsense and it will burn him. I’m just barely okay with Thames playing DH but he shouldn’t play more than a handful of games in the field over the course of a year. I have no idea what is going through Girardi’s head right now, it’s getting ridiculous.

  43. Bronx Jeers April 16th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    Posada traditionally gets these Friday night games off.

  44. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Does anyone else think that Mo should not have been used last night? So we longer pitch him 2 innings a game. But it seems like hes been in there everyday. Girardi has to find out if he can trust these guys going for the 8th inning role. I wanted to see Joba work his way out of the jam he put himself in. Thoughts?
    BTW, how long do you guys think it will take until we see Melancon back up here?

    ___

    1. Techincally Joba didnt put himself in the mess. He got a tough break on Jeter missing that grounder up the middle which he even knows he should have had.

    2. Rivera can work 70 games a year as long as he isnt pushed hard. He has an easy motion and does not throw a lot of pitches.

  45. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Soriano has had quite a day. a great catch against the ivy in left to steal at least a double, a hard single and a booming RBI double to tie the game at 2-2 in the 7th and now steals 3rd base after being picked off at 2nd base by outrunning the thow to 3rd.

  46. blake April 16th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    I think Arod gets the first of 45-50 homers tonight…if they play.

  47. muffinstump April 16th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    woot! honorable mention–it’s the closest i’ve come on gtlu. thanks, doreen. :)

  48. Erin April 16th, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    LoHudYankees Also, should be noted that I haven’t seen Chan Ho Park yet. – JT

  49. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    When did Marcus Thames go from being the 5th outfielder and occasional pinch hitter to being LF platoon starter? Girardi is way too obsessed with this lefty-righty nonsense and it will burn him. I’m just barely okay with Thames playing DH but he shouldn’t play more than a handful of games in the field over the course of a year. I have no idea what is going through Girardi’s head right now, it’s getting ridiculous.

    __

    Really?

    Thames did just fine yesterday of Kazmir. Girardi will keep putting him in as long as he hits lefties. And the yankees will keep winning. And if Thames shows it doesnt work, Girardi will stop using him. I would LOVE to know what you think will happen that will ‘burn them’..

  50. S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    muffinstump passed the filters?

    NSF,
    Hope Cashman is reading the blog today and gets you complimentary tickets to ALL C.C. ‘s games. With you watching C..C. and Uncle Else the remainder of the games. We could win the rest of our games this year.

  51. ben April 16th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    Patrick-

    Thames’ OPS against lefties is .849 compared to Gardner’s .628.

    I’m a big Gardner fan and all, but even his speed and defense advantages don’t make up for that. Thames also hits a home run in 5.8% of his plate appearances v. lefties, which is twice the league average, substantially higher than Tex and just shy of Arod.

  52. Tom B - April 16th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    From MLB.com

    Congratulations are in order because after days of sitting, Hughes stands out among all players on Opening Day rosters this season. Of all 750 on the 30 rosters who remained eligible to play, he went the longest without playing. So he is hereby cited by MLB.com for having done nothing. (Were he a catcher, he would have done squat to qualify.)

  53. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    If Gardner was hitting .400 or something i dont think girardi would take him out. He isn’t so this is how it is and as long as it works, might as well get used to it.

  54. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    tex’s friend,

    Thames is a horrible fielder. That’s what’s going to burn the Yankees, and in fact, already has.

    I just don’t understand what Thames has done to get such a bigger role. I thought he was the 25th guy on this roster and yet somehow he is now the part-time starter in LF. It really makes no sense to me. He’s a mediocre hitter and an atrocious fielder.

  55. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    logan up instead of melancon?

  56. muffinstump April 16th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    s.o.s.,

    what’s inappropriate about my handle?

  57. Erin April 16th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    YankeesWFAN Chan Ho Park to the DL with hamstring strain. LHP Boone Logan up to take his place.

  58. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    I would be happy to go on the road this season and be CC’s fan-caddy/good luck charm.

    Brian Cashman, you can make this happen! And I already paid for my own media guide and I don’t WANT a Yankee Snoopy, so I come cheap.

  59. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    Just wondering whether NY people here think the game will be delayed, postponed, or started on time. Is it already raining there?

  60. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    Pat… As opposed to what exactly Gardner has done?

  61. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    You are talking about gardner like he is Tex, ARod and Jeter. He had an opp to start everyday last year and failed. If he wants to EARN the chance to start everyday, he should start picking it up against righties before he gets in vs. lefties.

  62. S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    I say if the left fielders cant cut it after by mid may. I say lets replicate the Aggies 12th man and go with a 9th man for 2010. If the Yankees are in

    Oakland-Nick plays left field
    Anaheim-Put me in coach
    Boston-Boston Dave
    Somewhere in the south-GB7
    Home games-Whos hand is raised?

    (Please add you name in the city you see fit)

  63. muffinstump April 16th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    anyone have a profile on boone logan?

  64. ben April 16th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    not raining 2 miles from the stadium, sky is covered in clouds but still bright. they could get baseball in.

  65. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    trisha,

    Very likely a delay or postponement.

    —-

    tex,

    Gardner can field his position and has shown he can hit if given a chance. It’s impossible to say whether he can hit lefties because he simply hasn’t been given a chance yet. You quote his OPS but with no context. The sample size on that is just too small for me to put any stock in it.

    —-

    Logan instead of Melancon? Seriously Cash?

  66. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    Erin April 16th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
    LoHudYankees Also, should be noted that I haven’t seen Chan Ho Park yet. – JT

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Good God, Erin!! Why is Justin Timberlake (JT) now tweeting and covering the Yankees for Lohud. He can’t even sing…doubtful that he can write.

  67. MTU (aka GBURL) April 16th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    “anyone have a profile on boone logan?”

    Avid outsdoorsman wears coonskin cap.

    Good shot. :)

  68. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    Trisha, glad to see you. I have the following quote from Chad Jennings on the subject of whether Joe Girardi would cite getting an ovation for Hughes as a factor in bringing Hughes back for the 6th inning (and whether it was a factor in the first place):

    “I don’t think an ovation was a factor. The only thing Girardi said about sending him back out for the sixth was what I posted on the blog: “I liked the way he was still throwing the baseball. We talked about that we would let him get up to 110.”

  69. Ed - 2010 season starts tomorrow April 16th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    For those whose in fantasy league…

    should I start Cj Wilson tonight against the Yanks despite what he did during his last start, 7ip 9 ks 0 runs??

  70. Joe from Long Island April 16th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    I thought it might be Logan. Girardi really seemed intrigued by the possibility of having two lefties on the team.

    Strain sounds much better than tear. Though, it probably represents most minor kind of tear (I’m not a sports medicine guy). Since he’s on the dl, most likely will take more than a couple of days of rest/rehab. So, even it it’s back dated to when he last pitched, he might be out until end of the month, at best. Of course, pure guesswork on my part.

  71. muffinstump April 16th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    # MTU (aka GBURL) April 16th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    “anyone have a profile on boone logan?”

    Avid outsdoorsman wears coonskin cap.

    Good shot. :)
    ________________

    lol :)

  72. Jerkface April 16th, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    Why would you start him despite that? Start him because of it.

  73. Jerkface April 16th, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    Vlad is going to club a triple to left when Thames falls down

  74. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    tex,

    Gardner can field his position and has shown he can hit if given a chance. It’s impossible to say whether he can hit lefties because he simply hasn’t been given a chance yet. You quote his OPS but with no context. The sample size on that is just too small for me to put any stock in it

    ___

    Your argument is ok except we played Damon in LF last year and he was NOT GOOD out there. And i think most of us want the team out there that has the best chance to win. Thames is hitting lefties RIGHT NOW. why sit him so we can attempt to let people see IF gardner can hit lefties? When Thames stops hitting, Gardner will see more time. Like i said, Gardner is hitting .217 so far this year so he isnt earning anything.

  75. Ed - 2010 season starts tomorrow April 16th, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Jerkface:

    LOL, true that. I dont know what i was thinking.

  76. MTU (aka GBURL) April 16th, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    One thing the Yankees are deeper than the ocean in are relief pitchers.

    CHoP’s misfortunate leads to Logan’s run. ;)

  77. SJ44 April 16th, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Why shouldn’t Thames play? He hits lefties better than Gardner. Until that changes, I’d keep writing him into the lineup against lefties.

    When switches are made later in the game, you put Gardner in.

    That’s why you utilitize your entire roster.

  78. Erin April 16th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
    Erin April 16th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
    LoHudYankees Also, should be noted that I haven’t seen Chan Ho Park yet. – JT

    ???????????????????????????????????????-

    Good God, Erin!! Why is Justin Timberlake (JT) now tweeting and covering the Yankees for Lohud. He can?t even sing?doubtful that he can write.

    *****************************
    LMAO

    Believe me, I wouldn’t be following Timberlake’s twitter even if he was covering the Yankees! ;)

  79. champ809 April 16th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    I have no problem with Thames being in the lineup particularly after last nights game however he should not be wearing a fielder’s glove.

  80. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    “Vlad is going to club a triple to left when Thames falls down.”

    That will be something to monitor.

    But I wonder if Vlad could hit a triple to left even if we didn’t field anyone there. Let Curtis play Center-Left and see what Vlad can do.

  81. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    how many lefties does texas have? hamilton and ?

  82. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    tex,

    Thames has 3 hits this year. Yeah he’s really on fire huh?

    Quoting Gardner’s average means nothing to me. If you really think that number has any significance at this point in the season then I’m wasting my time arguing with you.

  83. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Park on the dl. Logan up.

  84. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    The Cubs are butter. They’re on a roll. About to win their first game in a row. Of course, there is the issue of having to get 6 outs from that bullpen and defense, but, still….

  85. Yankee Trader April 16th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
    I say if the left fielders cant cut it after by mid may. I say lets replicate the Aggies 12th man and go with a 9th man for 2010. If the Yankees are in

    Oakland-Nick plays left field
    Anaheim-Put me in coach
    Boston-Boston Dave
    Somewhere in the south-GB7
    Home games-Whos hand is raised?
    —————————————————-
    S.o.S.-The South is a big place. GB7 is in Savannah-no rain in Georgia tonight.

    GB7-I think Soriano got a severe tongue lashing yesterday, after he was pulled from left field in the middle of an inning after another misplayed ball, with Lou coming out to get him. Glad he was able to rebound today.

  86. MTU (aka GBURL) April 16th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    I figure Gardener will play against weaker lefties.

    Wilson has a power FB.

  87. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    You are also quoting numbers. Thames has 3 hits and Gardner has 4? In more ABS. You have no logical reason to choose gardner over thames other than the possibility thames may screw up in the field.

    Your logic for the offense side is non existent.

  88. champ809 April 16th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    That’s a tough call I have C.J. on 4 or 5 of my teams and I’m starting him but I’m not feeling to good about it being that he’s coming off of an illness.

  89. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    Why shouldn?t Thames play?

    —-

    Can’t field. Also it’s inaccurate to say that Gardner is good or bad against lefties. Not a big enough sample size.

    I don’t even care if Gardner plays, I just don’t want Thames out there. If you don’t like Gardner, go with Randy Winn, his career numbers vs lefties aren’t that awful and he’s a good fielder.

  90. Erin April 16th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    LoHudYankees Park to DL. The Yanks will promote Boone Logan. Park had MRI. Could’ve rested hammy and pitched in Oak but #Yankees didn’t want to risk it.

  91. ben April 16th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    Patrick-

    Again, this isn’t so much about what Gardner can develop into doing against lefties or what Thames has done in his 7 at bats as it is about what Thames has a proven track record of doing against lefties over a long career. There are less than 40 OF in the majors who put up an .850 OPS against lefties. Thames is one of them.

  92. S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    muffinstump,
    Remove the IN from the name and it could mean a women and mans genetelia. Just messing with you. Do what most here do, dont listen to anything i say. Welcome aboard.

  93. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Well considering that Thames only has 7 at bats, having 3 hits ain’t too bad.

  94. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    tex when did I ever say I want Gardner out there over Thames? I think you are the one lacking logic..

    Quoting numbers this early and saying that Thames is hitting lefties well right now is ridiculous. He has 3 hits vs lefties. It’s simply too early. And yeah, I think it’s completely valid to worry about Thames’ fielding.

  95. Yankee Trader April 16th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    how many lefties does texas have? hamilton and ?
    ————————————————
    and Chris Davis, David Murphy, Julio Borbon as fielders.

  96. blake April 16th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    I don’t particulary like the idea of Thames in LF either at YS but then there’s a reason Girardi is managing baseball games for a living and I’m typing on a blog.

    As long as he’s hitting he probably will play.

  97. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    S.o.S.: why’d you have to take a warm-hearted Seinfeld reference and turn it into something dirty??? Boooo! :mad:

  98. CB April 16th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    It’s unfortunate that Park got hurt – he was throwing well. But putting him on the DL makes sense – they don’t want to take a chance with a hamstring problem – especially on a guy who had hamstring problems last year.

    Calling up Logan makes sense for a number of reasons. I think it will be helpful for them to get a sense of what they might have in Logan. Marte’s shoulder is something of a concern and if goes down it’ll be helpful for them to have a sense of what Logan can do at the major league level. Also, though this is down the road, in the playoffs I can see them wanting to carry a second lefty rather than two long/ swing men.

    Logan is also probably throwing the ball better than Melancon is right now. Logan’s problem in the past has always been command. He has a good arm. He’s been throwing well in the minors.

    Finally, I get the sense that the yankees really aren’t driven by Melancon’s statistics in AAA very much. I think they might have some concern about how he’s throwing that ball, that there might be a disconnect between the outcomes of his performance in AAA and how they are evaluating his likelihood for success at the major league level.

  99. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    i like gardner just fine. i want what is the best lineup there right now. As long as Thames is there and hitting against lefties, thats fine with me. If he becomes a problem, i am fine with Gardner. I dont hate any players and i trust the manager will put the best team that day on the field. No argument that BG is better in the field than MT. I get that.

  100. DYD INDA WUL April 16th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    You want to get Thames’s bat going, so when he has to be brought in for an important pinch-hit at bat, he’s ready to go.

  101. pat April 16th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    When and if Park is healthy, does Logan have options or does he need to clear waivers if they want to send him back?

  102. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    ben,

    I realize what Thames’ career numbers are. My point is pretty simple.

    Here’s what we know. Thames hits lefties well. He doesn’t field well. Randy Winn and Brett Gardner are good fielders. Randy Winn (for his career) is respectable against lefties. Brett Gardner doesn’t have a large enough sample against lefties to make a determination either way.

    Given those facts I think the best course of action is to start Winn in left or at least give Gardner an opportunity to prove himself one way or another. Thames is just not that good.

  103. BJK April 16th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
    tex,

    Thames has 3 hits this year. Yeah he’s really on fire huh?

    Quoting Gardner’s average means nothing to me. If you really think that number has any significance at this point in the season then I’m wasting my time arguing with you.

    ——————————————————————–

    3 for 7 with a .500 OBP and a 1.071 OPS to start off the year.

    Small sample size, but he’s getting the job done against lefties right now. It’s playing the hot bat. When he cools off, Gardner will get his chance against lefties.

  104. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    http://tinyurl.com/yykaf6q

  105. Yankee Trader April 16th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    LoHudYankees Park to DL. The Yanks will promote Boone Logan. Park had MRI. Could’ve rested hammy and pitched in Oak but #Yankees didn’t want to risk it.
    ——————————————————————–
    Erin- The Braves just called up ex-Yankee-lefty Michael Dunn. Hope they both pitch well.

  106. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 16th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    Just a reminder that there is no GTLU tomorrow, Saturday. I am still undecided about Sunday – I don’t know what my family’s plans are. I will let you know by tonight if there will be a GTLU on Sunday.

    Thanks!

    :)

  107. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    trader, Soriano can amaze with his talent, but, at times, he can drive you nuts. One of the most exasperating players I’ve seen in a long while. It’s not like we’re talking about Elijah Dukes or Milton Bradley here. Soriano is not a jerk. It’s like he just spaces out from time to time. Mickey Rivers come to mind.

  108. Erin April 16th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
    http://tinyurl.com/yykaf6q

    *************************
    :lol:

    Very nice, Nick!!

  109. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    “You want to get Thames?s bat going, so when he has to be brought in for an important pinch-hit at bat, he?s ready to go. ”

    Let him get his bat going in the batting cage

  110. Erin April 16th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    Yankee Trader April 16th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
    LoHudYankees Park to DL. The Yanks will promote Boone Logan. Park had MRI. Could’ve rested hammy and pitched in Oak but #Yankees didn’t want to risk it.
    ???????????????????????
    Erin- The Braves just called up ex-Yankee-lefty Michael Dunn. Hope they both pitch well.

    *************************
    Thanks Yankee Trader! Good for Dunn :)

  111. muffinstump April 16th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    s.o.s.,

    hmmm. much more interesting than my mundane association with tops, lol….will keep your advice in mind. ;)

  112. CB April 16th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    “Brett Gardner doesn’t have a large enough sample against lefties to make a determination either way.”

    Based on quantitative factors no.

    Based on qualitative factors they have plenty of evidence to make that determination.

    Now they could be wrong, but they have plenty of qualitative information to make a decision.

    It could just be that they are trying to find out what they have in Thames early in the season to see if he’s a guy who might not last the year on the roster.

    But if that’s not the case (and I don’t know if it is or isn’t) it doesn’t speak that well for the yankees view of Gardner being a potential every day player.

  113. ben April 16th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Patrick-

    And given those same facts, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to choose the .850/bad defense over the .750/good defense or the .630/good defense/great speed. Any of the three would be a completely understandable call, Girardi just happened to make the first one. There’s also something to be said for the fact that with this lineup, the Yanks have plenty of speed and power off the bench, while with Gardner starting, it’s mostly just power.

  114. zbfnjdnfa April 16th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Will Ramiro Pena ever get an at bat this season? Or did Girardi forget he was on the team.

  115. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    @Doreen: I left a question for you at 4:08 if you missed it (if you’re just snubbing me, carry on!).

  116. Joe from Long Island April 16th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    Erin – I’m not surprised they’re being cautious with Park. 1., he was badly derailed by hamstring problem last year, and 2., the Yanks tend to be conservative with injuries.

    Logan threw well in ST, and has continued to do so in Scranton. I think Texas has a few lefty hitters, so it matched up.

  117. Yankee Trader April 16th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    I don’t know how many options Logan has left, but here are Logan, Melancon, and Ring’s numbers so far in Scranton.

    Melancon: 7 IP, 4H, 1ER, 1BB, 8K, 1HR
    Logan: 6.2 IP, 3H, 1ER, 1BB, 9K, 0HR
    Ring: 4.2 IP, 2H, 0ER, 3BB, 3K, 0HR

  118. SJ44 April 16th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    Your view of him is skewed because you don’t like him.

    He has a history of hitting lefties well and, at least for right now, that’s why he is playing.

    That’s what he is here for. He can be replaced for defense later in the game.

    The Yankees have had worse guys in the OF in recent years from a defensive standpoint.

    Right now, Thames is swinging the bat much better than Winn. That’s probably why he’s in the lineup over Winn.

  119. BJK April 16th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    zbfnjdnfa April 16th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
    Will Ramiro Pena ever get an at bat this season? Or did Girardi forget he was on the team.

    ————————————————————————–

    I know, right? What’s he thinking starting ARod, Jeter and Cano so much?

  120. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 16th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    First, I apologize for the choppy posts – I had a contractor at my house just as the lineup went up. :(

    @Nick in SF -

    I haven’t been doing % of entries. I did think about it. If it’s not too much extra to do, I can do that. I will look into it. I am learning Excel on the fly here, so one thing at a time. :lol: It is a good suggestion, however, so worth doing. And, no, the “defending champion” has not yet played, unless it’s under a different name. :)

  121. S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    NSF,
    lol. I knew there was another meaning to the name. Excuse the ignorance, never watched Seinfeld. Now if it was THE OFFICE or maybe an old Everybody Loves Raymond, i might have caught on to it. My bad muffinstump. BTW, my second guess was someones last name from the series Harrey Potter.

  122. zbfnjdnfa April 16th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    CC just got to make sure no ranger hits a ball to left field. If CC can do that than there will be no problem with Thames in the lineup.

  123. YankWatcher April 16th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    I also would rather see Gardner starting more often. Does everyone have to be a home run hitter to play for this team or to score with its fans? Can’t other styles of play be just as effective at scoring runs and winning games?

    In Granderson, we’ve got a new center fielder capable of hitting 30+ home runs a year. We’ve also got Swisher, Teixiera, A-Rod, Posada, Cano and Jeter — all capable of hitting plenty of homers, as presumably is our new DH Nik Johnson, who admittedly ain’t done much for us yet (does anyone really think we are better off with this guy than we would have been sticking with Matsui as DH or even Damon — all of a sudden, Cashman cares about how much guys are earning? C’MON!). I would like to see these guys complimented with what players like Gardner, Cervelli, and Pena bring to the team — youth, speed, enthusiasm, a touch of the unexpected. This exciting, scrappy style of play won some games for us last season at times of the year when the big guns weren’t doing it for us.

    As far as Cervelli being “CCs personal catcher” if that’s the way it is, I am all for it. Obviously the two work really well together, the same as AJ and Molina last year. If Posada’s only catching 120 games this year (that’s the word, right? The guy is 38 years old — surprised he can get up from that deep crouch after seven or eight innings!) it is only logical to put Cisco in once every four games or so. I think they will pair him up with some of the other pitchers as the season goes on, but coming off the almost no-hitter I think it makes perfect sense to pair them again.

  124. muffinstump April 16th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    http://tinyurl.com/yykaf6q
    ________________

    nice pic., nick.

  125. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    now someone is asking about Pena getting ABs? Yeah why dont we sit Jeter or Cano and their .350 and .400 averages and homeruns, or sit arod while he trying to get his power going?

    Pena will play in blowouts or mid season on rest days.

  126. Erin April 16th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
    NSF,
    lol. I knew there was another meaning to the name. Excuse the ignorance, never watched Seinfeld.

    **********************
    Inexcusable!!!! :x

  127. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    The problem with Royce Ring is that he’s all over the place with deep counts and has been bailed out a couple of times. Not real thrilled with Logan against the right handed bats, either, but, he’s been ok , just not in multiple innings.

  128. S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Doreen,
    While your at it. Can you see if i go with Girardi’s lineup evertime, if i could complete a sweep winning
    percentile and gtlu?

  129. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    I don’t like Thames as a player but I have no opinion of him as a person so, you are wrong SJ44.

    CB,

    Yeah thats perfectly valid. The Yanks know Gardner’s abilities better than anyone, despite a lack of data they could feel that he can’t hit left-handed pitching.

    I’m not even arguing Gardner vs Thames. I’m arguing Gardner/Winn vs Thames. I’d much rather see Winn out there, he’s a plus defender and is pretty decent vs lefties in his career.

  130. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    @Doreen: we appreciate your efforts. Keep an eye on those contractors.

    So SAS dodged a bullet with his nonqualifying entry. Good for him.

  131. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 16th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Just saw a tweet by Josh that Chan Ho Park is on DL and Boone Logan called up. (I don’t know how to copy those here.) I suspect a post is going up as I type this!

  132. blake April 16th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    At some point this season they are going to have to let Gardner play everyday if they are considering him as a possible future everyday player…now that may not be the plan.

    Its very possible that they will just cobble together whatever LF situation gives them the best chance to win on that given day throughout the season. If that’s the case then fine…make room for CC #2 next year.

  133. Jerkface April 16th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    Going by UZR / 150 the yankees haven’t had a player who was in LF for more than 100 Innings that was as bad as thames since Tony Womack.

    Thames is bad. Eye test. Stat Test. He is bad.

  134. SJ44 April 16th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    Patrick,

    I’m talking about your view of him as a player, not from a personal standpoint.

  135. Yankee Trader April 16th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    GB7-

    Agree with you on Soriano. Was a very clutch player for the Yankees, playing out of his original position-wasn’t he a SS?

    Glad Lou Pinella was not given the Yankee manager job. Would have been the wrong person for the job. The act he pulled, coming out to take Soriano out of left field during the inning, was reminiscent of Martin and Reggie Jackson.

  136. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    LOL I listened to Kay on the way to the dentist and he gave Phil a 5 for last night’s performance, saying he showed “some promise”. He and Brandon Tierney felt the same way…

  137. SJ44 April 16th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    UZR isn’t exactly an accurate judge, regardless of what you think.

    Nobody is saying the guy is great defensively.

    He can hit lefties though and, at least for right now, that’s more important to Girardi starting the game than defense.

    Especially since if they have the lead in the later innings, Thames will be out of the game.

  138. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Trenton at Portland has been postponed.

  139. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    With Cervelli catching, the Yanks need another THUMPER! Hello Marcus Thames.

  140. CB April 16th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Thames is an awful defensive outfielder. There is no doubt about that.

    The yankees must be fully aware of this.

    Despite that Gardner’s not playing. Not a ringing endorsement.

    On the flip side the yanks may feel that given that CC is pitching it’s not as likely for hard hit balls to go to the outfield and as such they can afford to lose defense for offense.

  141. zbfnjdnfa April 16th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    tex’s friend April 16th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
    now someone is asking about Pena getting ABs? Yeah why dont we sit Jeter or Cano and their .350 and .400 averages and homeruns, or sit arod while he trying to get his power going?

    Pena will play in blowouts or mid season on rest days.

    ————————————————————————

    Girardi has got to keep Pena’s bat sharp. Give A-Rod a day off he doesn’t even have a homerun yet.

  142. Jerkface April 16th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    I’d rather put Thames in RF and let Swisher patrol LF.

  143. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    “On the flip side the yanks may feel that given that CC is pitching it?s not as likely for hard hit balls to go to the outfield and as such they can afford to lose defense for offense. ”

    ——–

    It’s possible but at some point we are going to have to stop with the excuses. I think it’s becoming pretty apparent that Girardi sees LF as a straight up platoon right now. Thames vs lefties, Gardner vs righties. Why exactly did the Yankees get Winn again? And if the Yanks don’t see Gardner being able to hit lefties why not get someone in LF that can actually field his position? Oh wait, that’s Randy Winn.

  144. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    thought hughes looked great last night. Assuming there was a real strike zone, hughes would have made it past 5 innings. he held a good hitting team to 1 run and another one he left on base.

    He struck out at least 1 per inning and only gave up the solo bomb to matsui.

    well take it.

  145. DYD INDA WUL April 16th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Patrick-

    I may be stating the obvious that hitting in the batting cage is nary the same as hitting under the pressure of a game situation.

    Although Winn is a switch hitter, it’s Thames you want pinch hitting when a lefty is brought in. So why not give him a chance to get it going.

    Considering there are more right handed pitchers, Thames will have fewer chances to get going in game situations.

    It’ll be at most two or three at bats before Gardner is brought in.

  146. SJ44 April 16th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    CB,

    It may be as simple as they like Thames in a matchup against Wilson better than Gardner and are willing to sacrifice 6 innings of defense for it.

    If they have the lead going into the 7th, Thames gets replaced defensively.

    With Gardner’s swing plane, its obvious some lefties, especially hard throwers like Wilson, are going to give him trouble.

    That’s probably why he isn’t starting tonight.

  147. S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Bubba Crosby is our leftfielder?
    Winns bat looked as slow as mine swinging at 70 mph pitches at the batting cages.

  148. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Re-arrange the outfield for Marcus Thames?

    That’s just crazy talk.

  149. Phil Columbus April 16th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    If Melancon would just come up to ride the pine witht he big club he is better off staying in SWB and pitch on a regular basis. Logan will just give a lefty option for now. I don’t think joe will throw Marte in back to back games this early in the season.

  150. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Bad news about Park – this hurts the pen. I don’t really understand why Logan was brought up. Park was able to pitch multiple innings; Logan won’t do that. He pitched well in ST, but I’m skeptical now that season has started.

    Hopefully Park will be ok, but hamstrings tend to linger..

  151. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 16th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    SoS -

    AAArrrggghhhh!

    :lol:

  152. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Patrick, you were making nice strides until you came up with the Thames issue…He’s a feared right hand hitter that provides muscle in the lower end of the lineup……Get used to this……..As much as many here like to inflate Brett Gardner’s skills, he is a platoon ballplayer…That’s the bottom line…….Are you liking Curtis Granderson yet ?????

  153. blake April 16th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Girardi is probably hoping thames will be part of an effort to have Wilson out of there by the 5th…then he can put Gardner in for defense.

  154. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Yeah, Trader, soriano was a shortstop, but, for whatever reason, they liked this Jeter kid better. Whatever happened to him, I don’t know. a washout, i guess. Pinella is a very good baseball mind, like Martin, but, he is not much of a player person. He seems to forget, he wasn’t exactly a Gold Glove outfielder, either. He busted his hump, but, really just not that good on defense. His defense is defined by one play in the ’78 playoff game against Boston.

  155. zbfnjdnfa April 16th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Atleast Thames can legitimately hit lefties. Girardi used to play lefty righty matchups with guys like Betemit and Cody Ransom LOL. Gardner will be in the game by the 6th inning after the yanks light up Wilson like a Christmas tree.

  156. SJ44 April 16th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    So what if it is a platoon? How has that hurt the team? It hasn’t.

    That’s what April is for. To find out what you have and if the parts you have are sufficient.

  157. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    they got winn because he can back up all three OF positions.

  158. DYD INDA WUL April 16th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    With the line-up the team is sporting, platooning Gardner and Thames for the time being should not be of great concern.

    So far, so good. Why not wait a few weeks, see how it shakes out, before passing judgment on Girardi’s plan.

  159. blake April 16th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    Just saw Matt stairs hit…I didn’t even realize it was him..dude has lost like 50 lbs it looks like.

  160. 56Bomber April 16th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    Gardner’s value coming off the bench in a tight game for defensive purposes or to steal a base probably outweighs his value starting him against a lefty when you have other options (Winn, Thames). He’s not yet established himself as an everyday starter and its likely that LF will be a cobbled situation until someone clearly steps up. And if that doesn’t happen by 7/31 Cashman may look elsewhere for the solution.

  161. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    Pat M,

    I’d appreciate it if you were less condescending in the future, thanks.

    First of all, I would prefer the Yankees play Winn in LF if they don’t believe in Gardner’s abilities. And second off, I don’t think it’s a given yet that Gardner is just a platoon player.

    And I’ve been a huge fan of Granderson’s since 2007. What a great player he is…

    SJ44,

    Thames has made 2 fielding miscues that I can think of so far. He will continue to make these mistakes because that’s the kind of player he is.

  162. CB April 16th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    “It may be as simple as they like Thames in a matchup against Wilson better than Gardner and are willing to sacrifice 6 innings of defense for it.”

    SJ,

    I agree. Part of the point that I was trying to make is that Thames is just bad in the outfield – but that’s not some kind of secret. The yankees obviously know that.

    They’re playing Thames tonight because they feel like he gives them the best chance to win despite his significant flaws with the glove.

    Also, it’s said over and over again that Gardner hasn’t had a chance to “prove” himself so that’s why he should play.

    That might be true in terms of his quantitative performance, but not all decisions are or can be made on the basis of quantitative decisions.

    I don’t get the sense from the Yankees that they feel a great deal of uncertainty regarding what Gardner is likely to be able and not able to do well.

  163. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    The Yanks are on fire
    on pace to win one oh eight
    beat on Marcus Thames

  164. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    Trader, Pinella could never have dealt with his perception of Cano as a player, either. Look at the way he ran O’Neill out of town. O’Neill was the pitching image of Pinella as a player, temperment wise. O’Neill was the superior player, though when finally given a chance.

  165. S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Doreen,
    Had to try. A for effort? And here i never liked those kids who asked one parent if they can have something. When they get a NO, move on to the next. Your that next parent today.

    Good news fellas!! The dynasty teams in the 90′s platooned at left field. Good Omen?

  166. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    As long as Thames produces more runs than his defense allows, he’ll get him time in the game.

  167. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    Maybe the Yankees aren’t as high on Gardner as some would like them to be; if that’s the case, it doesn’t surprise me. I really think Brett got the job by default. Melky is gone in a trade, Damon was a no go, Holliday was too expensive in terms of $$ and years….the Yankees want Crawford. I do not think they see Gardner as anything more than an extra OF

  168. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    Girardi to be on with Mike in a few…

  169. Erin April 16th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    LoHudYankees The Boss’ wife – Springsteen, not George – is in the house.

  170. muffinstump April 16th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    56bomber: nice points. agreed.

  171. Yankee Trader April 16th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    GB7-

    Did you bring up Soriano’s name because Rob Neyer mentioned there was a 50-50 chance he would be released. 90mil left over 5 years-don’t see that one!

  172. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    Thames made 2 miscues in the field this year? OH NO. Well i remember one really awful throw from Gardner in Boston so i guess 2-11 is nothing too awful.

  173. DYD INDA WUL April 16th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    SF Nick – Rock on with the Yankee haiku!

    “The Yanks are on fire
    on pace to win one oh eight
    beat on Marcus Thames”

  174. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    2-1

  175. S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    I think they should have the centerfielder rover today into left field ala bad news bears the original.

    JMHO, speaking of batting cages. I dont think Gardner can his the net behind the batting machine(where we all grew up hitting). I counted those on my score sheet as homeruns. He would likely have alot of 5 hoppers to the mechanical arm.

  176. Joe from Long Island April 16th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    Doreen – No apologies necessary. Having dealt a lot with contractors over the past year, I can only smile. Hope it’s not going to be too painful.

  177. Erin April 16th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
    I think they should have the centerfielder rover today into left field ala bad news bears the original.

    *******************
    :lol:

  178. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Thanks, DIW. This blog has a resident haiku artist; another commenter and I occasionally provide haiku comic relief/commentary.

  179. Jerkface April 16th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Thames made 2 miscues in the field this year? OH NO. Well i remember one really awful throw from Gardner in Boston so i guess 2-11 is nothing too awful.

    Thames, noted terrible outfielder, made 2 miscues

    Gardner, noted ‘top outfield gloveman’, made 1 bad throw.

    These are similiar you see because…

  180. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Patrick, It wasn’t my intent to project a sense of being condescending at all, so on that I apologize…As for Thames miscues in leftfield, yes he misread a fly at Fenway……..However the slicing drive vs. Tampa, the only leftfielder in baseball that could have kept that ball from getting past him is Carl Crawford……That’s a bad rap on Thames…Granted, he’s slightly below average, however his stick is loaded, especially with Cervelli in the lineup…..

  181. S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    Would you in the Rays orginization trade Crawford to the Yankees midseason assuming thats his destination, attempting to get something good for him?

  182. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Yankee Trader April 16th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
    GB7-

    Did you bring up Soriano’s name because Rob Neyer mentioned there was a 50-50 chance he would be released. 90mil left over 5 years-don’t see that one!

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    No, not at all. I’ve always liked Soriano’s offense, despite the strikeouts. I was watching the Cubs game and laughing about Pinella’s rants. No…no way will Rickett’s eat $80-90 mil in contract after what he just spent buying the team. even for free, I’m not sure he fits in with NYY anymore.

  183. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Ok Pat M, fair enough.

    The only point I’ll contend is, I think Gardner is in the same class as Carl Crawford if we’re only talking about defense.

  184. DYD INDA WUL April 16th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    My pleasure, Nick. A little Yankee poetry to go with the blog’s prose. Comic relief is also a welcomed change.

  185. SJ44 April 16th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    The Rays would never trade Crawford to the Yankees.

  186. 56Bomber April 16th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    “Would you in the Rays orginization trade Crawford to the Yankees midseason assuming thats his destination, attempting to get something good for him?”

    Depends. If the Rays are woefully out of the playoff picture and truly have no intention of re-signing CC2, then you’d have to consider it.

  187. muffinstump April 16th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    thanks for the tip on the girardi interview, betsy. they are talking teix right now.

  188. Jay April 16th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    Josh, you’re a little off, Joe Girardi needs 2 wins for 200 as a YANKEES manager but he has already more as a manager coz he won a few games when he managed the Marlins

  189. Yankee Trader April 16th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Betsy-

    Other than the fact that CC and CC [Carl Crawford] are good friends, where have you heard that the Yankees will be targeting Crawford, with a current 25 man payroll reported at 206+ million, and the expiring contracts, of Jeter and Mo, whom Hal would like to resign at the end of this season?

  190. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    I’m still waiting for a real baseball person to describe Gardner as a noted “top glove man”.

  191. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Per Joe, Park’s hammy injury is a very low-grade injury, but they didn’t want to risk anything with him and didn’t want to have a short pen.

  192. muffinstump April 16th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    not too much love betw. rays and yanks.

  193. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    I dont see the rays trading crawford mid season unless they collapse before the break. They will lose him in 2011 though.

  194. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    You’re welcome, Muffin….!

  195. Yankee Trader April 16th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    The Yankees, if they truly want Crawford, are not giving up the talent to acquire Crawford in midseason, when he can be had as a FA, and the Rays will not trade him to the Yankees.

  196. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    If the Rays are totally out of the race by the trading deadline and the Yankees have the best offer for Crawford why wouldn’t they trade him to New York? If SJ44 of the Lohud blog knows that Crawford is interested in signing with the Yanks then certainly the Rays must know and it wouldn’t matter who they trade him to because he’ll be a FA after the season anyways.

  197. S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    Erin,
    Whew..Im glad i can bring a smile to your face after the INNEXCUSIBLE act earlier in the day.

  198. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    No one in the org actually said they are going after Crawford, but it seems like a good guess. never know though.

  199. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    The Rays are not trading Crawford to the Yankees and, if I’m the Yankees, I don’t give anything up for him. Not only would it cost a lot, but they can maybe get him for just $$ next year. They’ll make do in LF…

  200. CB April 16th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    “I think Gardner is in the same class as Carl Crawford if we’re only talking about defense.”

    No he’s not.

    The amount of benefit of the doubt Brett Gardner gets is at times remarkable.

    There’s not enough evidence to determine whether Gardner can hit left handed pitching but there is enough evidence to determine that Gardner is in the same class of defensive player as Crawford?

    I don’t see how that works. Especially since Gardner hasn’t played much LF and outfielders on the whole don’t see that many chances.

    Crawford is arguably one of the top 3 defensive players in baseball. I don’t see how one can conclude the same for Gardner whether you are considering quantitative or qualitative or both information on his defensive play.

  201. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Whether or not the Rays would trade Crawford to the Yanks if the Yanks made the best offer (dubious), would Cashman want to pay twice for Crawford’s services when he seems to be strongly and publically against that kind of thing?

    I don’t think so. Anyway, the Rays would have to seriously flop to make this scenario possible.

  202. SJ44 April 16th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    The Rays hate the Yankees and have no desire to trade him within the division. They would rather have the two draft picks.

    From the Yankees perspective, why pay twice for a player who is going to be a FA at the end of the year? If they choose, they could sign him in the off-season and not give up anybody in a deal within their division.

    There won’t be a Rays-Yankees trade for Crawford.

  203. S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    SJ,
    Knowing that Crawfords already been fit for pinstripes and is as sure as Griffeys Cincy destination. Why not try to get something from them? Assuming of course, they dont have a chance to win the division at that time. Like Patrick and others said.

  204. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    Gardner isn’t close to Crawford. Crawford would be amazing in Yankee Stadium.

  205. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    CB,

    Based on watching Gardner in the field, I feel he’s an elite defender. And the point being made was that only Crawford could have gotten to the ball that Thames missed in Tampa. I think Gardner could have gotten to the ball (so does Girardi if I’m remembering correctly.

  206. blake April 16th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    Crawford is hands down the best defensive LFer in baseball. He made 2 or 3 plays in the Yankee series alone that I’m not sure anyone but him makes.

  207. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    this isnt the national league. you cannot separate a player’s fielding and their hitting. Gardner has been good int he field. He is certainly not in the same neighborhood of player as Crawford.

  208. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    There won?t be a Rays-Yankees trade for Crawford.

    ——–

    Yes, but not because Tampa wouldn’t do the deal.

  209. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    we love Carl Crawford
    has he a pinstriped future?
    twenty eleven

  210. SJ44 April 16th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    Brett Gardner is not as good a defensive LF than Carl Crawford. That’s an absurd statement.

    Gardner has barely played LF in his career and Crawford is one of the top defensive LF’s in the game.

    You are overvaluating Gardner in a big way on this one.

  211. S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    Gardner = Crosby

    Why didnt Crosby get the benefit of the doubt? Wonder what people would have thought of him if he didnt run into Sheff?

  212. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    Batting practice taking place in the bronx. Looks a little cool, but dry.

  213. Yankee Trader April 16th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
    I’m still waiting for a real baseball person to describe Gardner as a noted “top glove man”.
    ————————————————————————
    Tim Mccarver said Gardner had the best bunting skills in the league during the WS last year. I guess since McCarver played baseball he’s a real “baseball person,” even though I rate him in the top 5 idiotic announcers.

    Hmm, where are those Gardner bunts????

  214. 56Bomber April 16th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Lets’ try two birds with one stone…

    If you were in the Rays front office and you find that your team is out of the playoff hunt, would you consider trading Carl Crawford for Brett Gardner?

  215. SJ44 April 16th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    Tampa would rather have the draft picks than trade him to the Yankees. Meaning, Tampa doesn’t want to trade him to the Yankees. Nor, I might add, would the Yankees want to pay twice for a player.

    Its a non-match for the player.

    SOS,

    Tampa can get 2 draft picks for Crawford. For a small market franchise, that’s huge and more important to them since they do a great job of scouting.

    That’s too much value for them and they would rather go in that direction than trade within their division.

  216. Enough pitching changes April 16th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    Brett Gardner should not be mentioned in the same sentence as Crawford. Come on guys!!!!

  217. S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    Gardner couldnt even hold Crawfords sunflower seed shells.

  218. CB April 16th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    “Based on watching Gardner in the field, I feel he’s an elite defender.”

    Fair enough. But even with that, Crawford isn’t just an elite defender. He’s arguably the single best defensive player in baseball (It’s probably him or Franklin Guittierrez and Crawford’s body of work in this arena is much more extensive).

    I just don’t see how Gardner is on Crawford’s level in any way. Crawford is a dominant defensive player and even if one were to grant that Gardner has elite defensive talent (and I’m not saying he does) Garnder just hasn’t played enough innings to compare him to Crawford, IMO.

    Part of why some people keep bashing Gardner is that too many Yankee fans keep overstating what he is and what he can do.

    I don’t get why he elicits so much enthusiasm?

  219. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    How about “I love Brett Gardner, but he’s no Carl Crawford!”

  220. CR9 April 16th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Crawdaddy and JT

    Thanks for the info on Wilson.

    I hadnt heard any news on the Rangers this offseason, except for them being in “desperate need” of a “backup DH and backup 3rd baseman,” with of course, that being Mike Lowell.

  221. Enough pitching changes April 16th, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    I don’t get the Gardner love affair here. He is a decent player. That is it.

  222. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    CB,

    Ok maybe Gardner isn’t at Crawford’s level, but I made the statement in question because Pat M. said that only Crawford could have gotten the liner that Thames missed in Tampa. I disagree and think Gardner can get that ball.

    SJ44,

    There is no reason for Tampa not to trade Crawford to New York. They know he’s an FA no matter what they do and that he’s likely a Yankee. What logical reason could they have for not wanting to deal him to the Yanks? If they trade him it means they are out of contention fof 2010 so it’s not like helping the Yanks would make a difference. If you are saying they wouldn’t make that deal because of petty dislike, I completely disagree. Tampa is far too smart to let that get in the way.

    Despite all of this, Crawford isn’t getting traded. The Yanks aren’t goign to waste prospects when they can just get him in the offseason and the Rays aren’t going to fall out of contention.

  223. RayVT April 16th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Girardi said Thames would play against LHP and he has. Gardy, no matter how much love this board gives him is overmatched against good LHP. So get over it.

    Gardy hasn’t looked very good against RHP this year so far either. He has 5 hits in 23 official at bats. Thames has 3 in 7 at bats.

    Now I understand I don’t care for Gardy in LF to begin with so take it as a bias if you like. And his arm is nothing to talk about, but it is something to run on if you are the opposing team. (Better than Damon’s though!)

    I hope whoever Joe G puts on the field does great!

  224. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Nice article on Phil:

    http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/0.....il-hughes/

    I guess Phil says it all in terms of what the bullpen did for him..

  225. Enough pitching changes April 16th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    CB says:
    April 16, 2010 at 5:30 pm
    “Based on watching Gardner in the field, I feel he’s an elite defender.”

    Fair enough. But even with that, Crawford isn’t just an elite defender. He’s arguably the single best defensive player in baseball (It’s probably him or Franklin Guittierrez and Crawford’s body of work in this arena is much more extensive).

    I just don’t see how Gardner is on Crawford’s level in any way. Crawford is a dominant defensive player and even if one were to grant that Gardner has elite defensive talent (and I’m not saying he does) Garnder just hasn’t played enough innings to compare him to Crawford, IMO.

    Part of why some people keep bashing Gardner is that too many Yankee fans keep overstating what he is and what he can do.

    I don’t get why he elicits so much enthusiasm?

    It makes no sense to me at all. I have no problem with him. He is just average

  226. blake April 16th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    I don’t think the Yankees view Gardner as their long term solution to LF as things stand now…I thought they may just let him play early on and see what happened and see if he proved them wrong…and I guess they still could do that.

    He will have to swing the bat at some point though to be an everyday player. Slapping the ball and running fast just doesn’t fly in today’s game. If he progressed as a hitter then I thought it may give them pause to give a free agent big money. This is all yet to be determined.

  227. S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    I just thought it would give the Yankees a better chance to win #28 this year and the Rays a proven unknown(yes i said it). But i can see how Cash wouldnt want to give up anyone but a guy similiar to Bettimet/Ransom or Duncan. For a cheap orginization, 2 picks might be a better route for them. Well this sucks, thinking of plan b for someone to take Igawa.

  228. Plutonium April 16th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Rain ?

    Of course, what else is new.

    It wouldn’t be a Yankee game without rain.

  229. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Yankee Trader April 16th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
    GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
    I’m still waiting for a real baseball person to describe Gardner as a noted “top glove man”.
    ————————————————————————
    Tim Mccarver said Gardner had the best bunting skills in the league during the WS last year. I guess since McCarver played baseball he’s a real “baseball person,” even though I rate him in the top 5 idiotic announcers.

    Hmm, where are those Gardner bunts????

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I never thought of McCarver as a real baseball man….just as a catcher with a mouth.

    I was expecting more than two bunt attempts by Gardner, too. He does need to know which side of the field to bunt onto though, depending which arm the pitcher throws with. I’d kill for a Willie Wilson instead.

    MLB-TV puts the chance of rain at 10% in the Bronx.

  230. Warning Track Power April 16th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Looking forward to C.C. tonight. Coming off that amazing performance vs the rays, how will he follow that up tonight vs the rangers.

  231. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    raining in scranton…. it is headed in.

  232. DYD INDA WUL April 16th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    twenty ten now
    twenty eleven tomorrow
    me thinks twenty eight

  233. SJ44 April 16th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Patrick,

    The Rays would rather have the two draft picks than trade him anywhere, especially to the Yankees.

    They have a hard enough time drawing fans. You trade one of the best and most popular players on the team to the Yankees, you better get somebody like Jesus Montero in return and that ain’t happening.

    If not, you lose the two picks and the fans go nuts.

    Its just not something they have any interest in doing.

  234. Chris April 16th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    To guard against rain, maybe Joe will start Mitre, then bring CC into the game?

  235. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Patrick, Brett does not get good reads on balls off the bat…Now he does make up for that loss of 2 steps or so due to his speed……..Frankly, on the NY Yankees and any other contending ballclub, he’ll always be a 4th outfielder…..I say this with a sense of realism and objectivity……

  236. S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Gotta admit. Miss the Melky vs. Gardner takes. Right behind Alex vs. Ransom.

    Speaking of Alex. They should have Thames play 3rd base. Alex has caught the Gardneritus. Does anyone know if this is the longest drought to start a season for Alex?

  237. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    MLB-TV has a new pre-game program starting tonight called the “Batting Practice show”, going from park to park. Good show. NYY is on now.

  238. RayVT April 16th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    McCarver has wanted to talk ever since Gibson told him to get behind the plate and shut his mouth! I find McCarver very emotional and not very level headed. I can take 50% of what he says, but the rest is bias and ignorance.

  239. CR9 April 16th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Thanks, GB! Excellent!

  240. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    I think fans believe any homegrown player is going to be a success in the big leagues ; if not that, then I can’t account for the Brett enthusiasm.

  241. ben April 16th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    I don’t think you can say that gardner is anywhere near as good as Crawford, but he’s capable of hitting .280 and stealing 40+ bags a year. That might not meet the Yankees’ expectations for a left fielder, but it will certainly meet someone’s.

  242. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Nice, DIW, but you cheated.

  243. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    Pat M,

    Fair enough, but we are going to disagree on this one :)

    SJ44,

    Again, your opinion is totally valid and I see where you’re coming from I just disagree. Lets just say the Yanks really want Crawford and feel he’s the final piece to another world series in 2010. Maybe they offer a real nice package to the Rays. If the Rays evaluate the prospects the Yanks offer and decide it’s worth more than 2 draft picks, I don’t see why they’d turn it down. All that being said, the Yankees will never do this (nor should they)

  244. Enough pitching changes April 16th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    Patrick, Brett does not get good reads on balls off the bat…Now he does make up for that loss of 2 steps or so due to his speed……..Frankly, on the NY Yankees and any other contending ballclub, he’ll always be a 4th outfielder…..I say this with a sense of realism and objectivity……”"

    agree. That is because he is a fourth outfielder

  245. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    GB, McCarver knows baseball, his downfall is his desire to be a showman…..He’s blinded by Vince Scully, Jack Buck & the Earnie Hardwell’s of the world…..

  246. S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    Pat M./NSF,
    Betting on the nba playoffs? What do you think my Spurs chances are to oust Dallas? Will the Lakers flip the switch or has the chemistry gone out the window after picking up Artest and letting Ariza walk?

  247. RayVT April 16th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    What I never understand on this board is how someone with talent is killed and someone that isn’t is lifted up. Vazquez & Cano have been reemed on this board. Gardner meanwhile is knighted! Maybe its the underdog thing or maybe it is salary!

  248. SJ44 April 16th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    I think Gardner is what he is. A platoon player who can help a contending team at the bottom of a batting order.

    Carl Crawford is one of the best players in baseball.

    Its why I laugh when I read people say they would rather have Brett Gardner than Carl Crawford.

    Its the same as people saying in the off-season they wouldn’t trade Joba for Roy Halladay.

    Betsy is right, folks get WAY too caught up in the homegrown player stuff.

  249. tex's friend April 16th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    again no one knows what he is ‘capable’ of. he has the speed to be able to steal 40 bases. doesnt mean he will. And .280 over a full season will require more than lucky placed infield hits and the occassional bloop single in shallow left.

  250. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    I still don’t see why the Yankees would do that, Patrick; they can get by without Crawford and there’s no way they are going to trade top prospects for a guy they can get for just $$$. It would be asinine.

  251. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    RayVT April 16th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
    McCarver has wanted to talk ever since Gibson told him to get behind the plate and shut his mouth! I find McCarver very emotional and not very level headed. I can take 50% of what he says, but the rest is bias and ignorance.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Always thought that was one of the funniest conversations I’ve heard of between a pitcher and a catcher. “What the Hell do you want out here? The only thing that you know about pitching is that you can’t hit it.” Gibson to McCarver.

  252. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    And, keep in mind that I’ve attached myself to Phil and maybe even to Romine…….but I think if you’re going to do that, you need to do that to the right players.

  253. Warning Track Power April 16th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Pat M.
    McCarver is the worst announcer who broadcasts baseball games on National t.v.
    He is even worse than Joe Morgan.
    That is saying a lot because Morgan is terrible.

    When Deion Sanders dumped water over McCarver’s head, that was his finest moment as
    a baseball broadcaster.

  254. SJ44 April 16th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Patrick,

    When has Cashman ever paid twice for a player? He never has. Its something he refuses to do and that isn’t changing now.

  255. blake April 16th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    I don’t think anybody would sugguest that Gardner is anywhere near the player Crawford is..that isn’t the question and it won’t ever be really.

    The only question is can he be close enough to give them reason not to spend 80 or 90 million dollars to replace him? They may have already made that decision and they may be still Evaluating that question.

  256. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Betsy,

    Read my full posts before you disagree with me please. In every post about Crawford trades I’ve made sure to say that the Yankees would never make the trade.

    SJ44,

    Anyone with half a brain would want Crawford over Gardner. Although I wouldn’t say Carl is one of the best players in baseball, that’s going too far IMO.

  257. RayVT April 16th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    GB!
    I love it too! I am a Gibson fan even though he beat my Yankees.

  258. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    “When has Cashman ever paid twice for a player? He never has. Its something he refuses to do and that isn?t changing now. ”

    As I said to Betsy, please read my full post before disagreeing with me. I have said at least 3 times in this thread that the Yankees would never make that deal, for obvious reasons.

  259. Yankee Trader April 16th, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    A-Rod had a 72 at bat drought without a home run until August 8th last year with a walkoff homer in the 15th inning against the Red Sox. Probably the answer to your question to begin the season would be last year-until May 9th in his first game back. Of course he was injured!!!!!!!

    His defensive play at 3rd, so far, has been gold glove caliber.

  260. S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Infield track power will not get you a .280 avg in the bigs. He only hit .300 once in the minors(barely). While Melky hit over .340 and could barely hover around the .275/.280 mark. Keep in mind he could hit it passed the infield. Give me Gardners legs and defensive replacement. Das it.

  261. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
    GB, McCarver knows baseball, his downfall is his desire to be a showman…..He’s blinded by Vince Scully, Jack Buck & the Earnie Hardwell’s of the world…..

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I know, Pat. He’s spent the last 30 years telling america how much he knows.

    Seriously, he knows it, but, he gets so full of himself and can never be told anything that’s in disagreement with his ideas. Maybe if they paired him up with somebody befides his last two idiot partners, he’d come across better. Carey and Buck should sit in front of dead mics on the radio.

  262. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    BryanHoch Chan Ho Park on injury (unprovoked): “It’s not diarrhea.”

    lol

  263. RayVT April 16th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
    Crawford is perhaps the best CF in baseball defensively, but he doesn’t want to play CF. LOL! He is one of the best players in baseball IMO. Top 15%.

  264. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    “Crawford is perhaps the best CF in baseball defensively, but he doesn?t want to play CF. ”

    Yep

    “LOL! He is one of the best players in baseball IMO. Top 15%.”

    Not a chance

  265. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Ok guys it’s been fun arguing with you all, I’m leaving for now though. Enjoy the game and cross your fingers for no rain!

  266. blake April 16th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Crawford is one of the best players in baseball when you consider all facets of the game.

  267. S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    Thanks Yankee Trader. So this is his longest drought to start a season. The good news is, hes been putting a hurt on some outfield walls. I see some multiple 2 homer games on the horizen.
    He looks really good at 3rd this year. Will he finally get that Gold Glove there?

  268. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    I’m not in any fashion indicating that Tim McCarver is a good color man at all….However, he knows the game, as does Joe Morgan….The problem is both guys have gone Hollywood and are addicted to the spotlight…..It’s compromised their baseball credibility………Ego’s certainly are a dangerous thing

  269. RayVT April 16th, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    GB
    If McCarver had been in a booth with Dizzy Dean, only one of them would have come out alive and it wouldn’t be Tim!

    There is a fine line between knowledge & stupidity. Stupidity is thinking you have all the knowledge. Real knowledge recognizes you don’t know everything and is open to learning.

  270. timo April 16th, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Alex has hit a HR this year. That absurd wall thing got in the way.

  271. RayVT April 16th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    What is Crawford UZR rating?

  272. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 16th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    I can’t believe how much cyberspace is used talking about the #9 hitter. :?

  273. ben April 16th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    tex- If gardner got 550 plate appearances/year, I absolutely guarantee he would steal 40 bases on average. In the 450 PA in his career, he’s already got 42 SB.

    Speed is generally terribly undervalued by most people. If you look at fangraphs, Gardner’s value last year to the yankees was $9m in the equivalent of just a half season of play.

    Again, he might not do this for the yankees, but he’d be welcomed with open arms by many teams.

  274. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    Carl Crawford is so good, that I believe he can be spoken in the same terms as Ricky Henderson and Timmy ” Rock ‘ Raines……He needs to get out of Tampa, and he’ll explode to the next level

  275. blake April 16th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Its absurd that rock raines didn’t get more HOF votes.

  276. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    Ray, did you see the Costas/Gibson interview a couple of months ago?

    They slipped in a clip with Wiliei Mays.

    Mays told about Cepeda bringing Gibson out to his house in SF and mays didn’t know who Gibson was because he was wearing specticals.

    “When did you start wearing glas-ses?”

    “always have.”

    “Well, startwearing them when yoy pitch.”

    Gibson was laughing and giggling about that meeting.

  277. mick April 16th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    What would be the minimal payroll increase if Crawford were acquired and possibly Lee with Jeter and Mo at least getting what they get now. Who is coming off the payroll to offset any acquisitions?

  278. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    Carl Crawford, OF, TB (17.6) uzr

  279. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    Ol’ Diz would have fogged a high hard one at McCarver in the booth.

    Nobody could have out talked Dizzy Dean.

  280. Erin April 16th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    LoHudYankees Park will take 3 or 4 days off but expects to be OK after. Why are #Yankees so cautious? “When you get to my age, you have to be careful.”

    YankeesWFAN Chan Ho Park says his hamstring strain is mild. As meeting with media broke up, Park joked “not diarrhea!”

    :lol:

  281. austinmac April 16th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    I was glad the Yankees added Winn to the outfield mix despite a down year last year. He has looked remarkably bad hitting this spring when I have seen him. I know it is early, and I hope he will find it.

    Left field is the Yankees weak link no matter who is playing. I would be surprised if there isn’t an upgrade at mid-season. Right now, Thames has looked pretty good at the plate vs. lefties. Gardner hasn’t looked good against anyone. I think the bat trumps the speed difference in the field for a play that may or may occur.

  282. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    9 million dollars in value ??? Fangraphs have their head up their behinds to come out and value Gardner @ that figure……..Give me a break

  283. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    getting Lee is only dependent on the future plans for Chamberlain and whether Pettitte and or Vazques come back in 2011.

  284. Yankee Trader April 16th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Pat M-

    Would lefty Crawford be a 59 basestealer on the Yankees with 14 homers like last year, or will Kevin Long have him shoot for the short porch in right?

  285. austinmac April 16th, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Fangraphs has interesting information, but their valuations are head scratchers. If the values they assigned were really paid, every team would have a $200M payroll.

  286. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    If the get Crawford, I don’t think they’d change his swing. He’s pretty much what Jeter is from the left side…more speed, a little less average.

  287. mick April 16th, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    If the Yanks stick to their fiscal “responsibility” I can’t even see a 10% increase in payroll next year.

  288. RayVT April 16th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
    No I didn’t see it! That sounds funny & I bet it was serious as Gibson really threw hard!

  289. Yankee Trader April 16th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    McCarver would be a terrific baseball announcer in a country that knows nothing about baseball! He announces as if the average viewer knows nothing about the game!

    Meanwhile, I’ve met Gibson when he was pitching coach for the Braves, and he was really a pretty nice guy, but he probably thought, as we do, that McCarver was an idiot, back then.

  290. mick April 16th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Lee and Crawford would cost at least 20m. I doubt Vasquez is looked at as a long term solution.

  291. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Yankee Trader…I’m with GB as I don’t believe that Long would alter Carl’s approach to hitting other than be ready to see slow offspeed stuff down and away, and then be ready to turn on the inside pitch they’ll try to slip by him when at The Stadium………He’s a special talent

  292. Yankee Trader April 16th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Lee alone will want at least Beckett/Burnett/Lackey money if he comes back from injury with a terrific year.

    Crawford will get no less than 13-15 million/year, and might even look for Holliday money.

  293. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Ray, Gibson was the ultimate intimidator on the mound, much like Drysdale or Early Wynn. He never messed with the hitters unless the other pitcher hit one of the Cards, though. Gibson’s rule was 2 for 1. You hit one of mine and I’ll hit 2 of yours and I throw harder. Drysdale was just borderline dirty and threw a spitball besides. By all accounts, Gibson was a funny guy and pretty nice….except on the mound.

  294. blake April 16th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    I doubt many balls would be dropping in between LF and Right center with Grandy and Crawford out there.

  295. mick April 16th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    I could forsee playing the Phillies between 6-8 times over this decade.

  296. RayVT April 16th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    I have seen Crawford pull the ball for a HR in Tampa quite a bit when he wanted too. He has great power, but does not use it much. He is a special athelete.

  297. mick April 16th, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Lee and Crawford commanding 30m, Wow! I don’t see Cash getting that creative with financing unless Andy and Vasquez go, but it would take more than that. Swisher is all I can think of.

  298. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy April 16th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    Every time Joe Girardi writes Marcus Thames’ name in the lineup you gotta feel that the percentage that Crawford is a Yankee next year goes up.

  299. pat April 16th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    Asked Hughes if he’d expect to get another inning or two out of his 108 pitches in his next start. “Or nine,” he said. about 1 hour ago

  300. Chris April 16th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    Rays Sox beating up each other I like.

  301. Encinitan April 16th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    From Wikipedia

    Wilson’s pitching repertoire includes a fastball, hard sinker, slider, and changeup, thrown from both overhand and low 3/4 arm angles. Wilson has also confirmed on his MySpace blog that he throws the gyroball, a pitch used by some Japanese pitchers and frequently attributed to Boston Red Sox starter Daisuke Matsuzaka.

    Also from Wikipedia

    Wilson is a devoted Taoist and also adheres to a “Straight Edge” way of life (in which one abstains from alcohol, illegal drugs, and promiscuous sex in order to maintain a healthy and poison-free body). As a sign of his choice and pride of being Straight Edge, Wilson has the words “Straight Edge” tattooed along the length of his torso, Japanese characters on his shoulder that read “Poison Free” and “XXX” stitched on his blue glove as a straight edge symbol.

  302. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    pat, you gotta love Hughes’ confidence. Except for a couple of times last night, he didn’t let the non-calls on low strikes get to him and immediately checked himself. He just seems to be much more coachable at this point than Chamberlain.

  303. Phil Columbus April 16th, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    When the Yankees win #28 this year with Gardner/Winn/Thames in LF this year, I think they will do the same thing as they did this year when they passed on Bay and Holliday. The team is good enough to win #29 without spending 15 mil a year on Carl Crawford for 5 years or so. The money will be spent on pitching. It may happen in a trade as it did this year or by signing a FA pitcher.

  304. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    Lets go Yankees!!!

  305. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    Pat, who tweeted that? Thanks!

    GB, have you ever noticed the way Phil puts his hand on his hip and strolls around the mound after an out? He looks very confident when he does that……..

  306. CR9 April 16th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    FOR PEOPLE WITH DIRECTV and MLB EXTRA INNINGS……………..GREAT NEWS

    MLB Extra Innings subscribers can expect fewer Saturday blackouts this season, just not today. The Biz of Baseball’s Maury Brown reported earlier in the week cable operator consortium iNDemand sent a memo to affiliates detailing how Fox and Major League Baseball have made changes in the national television blackout policy for Saturday games.

    There are still some restrictions, but according to the memo, which Brown cites, on Saturdays when the first Fox game starts at 4:10 p.m. ET, games that start at 1:10 or earlier and 7:05 or later will be included in the package. But games that start between 1:10 and 7:05 won’t be included. This is the case on 21 Saturdays this season.

    On Saturdays when the first Fox game starts at 3:10 p.m. ET, games that start at 12:10 or earlier and 6:05 or later will be included in the package. But no games that begin between 12:10 and 6:05 will be included. This is the case on three Saturdays this season (today, May 1 and May 8).

  307. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    Never paid much attention to that, Betsy. It’s just his demeanor on the mound that shows confidence and not bothered by little things. He seems to think that he’s better than the hitter and that’s half of the battle. He could have gotten shook up by Matsui’s bomb, but, he didn’t That the difference between early last year and now.

  308. CR9 April 16th, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    The Yankees game tomorrow will be on Directv!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  309. Dan April 16th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Gardner stinks. He is a fine pinch runner/4th OF, but play him everyday and he gets exposed.

    He was hitting like .400 after the first few games, now he is down to .217…. more you play him, worse he will look………

  310. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    Both Scranton @ Syracuse and Trenton @ Portland have been rained out

  311. Erin April 16th, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    CR9 April 16th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
    FOR PEOPLE WITH DIRECTV and MLB EXTRA INNINGS……………..GREAT NEWS

    **************************
    I just saw the other day that I would actually be getting the game tomorrow afternoon. I was extremely excited since I never get to watch baseball on Saturdays. Jumping up and down was involved. :)

  312. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    GB, I wouldn’t necessarily expect anyone else to notice it, lol; I agree with you, though. He knows he’s good enough to pitch up here – that’s half the battle.

    Well, thanks to our talk about burgers yesterday, I’m off to Five Guys to get a yummy burger and fries.

    Hold the fort down, GB…

  313. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    I don’t know if you saw this already but I think the moral of the story is that if you are going to intentionally vomit on someone, be sure the person is not an off-duty policeman. (Notice the shiner in the mugshot…)

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/l.....EmH7XCrKOO

  314. CR9 April 16th, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    Erin

    For me as well. Still jumping!! WOOOHOOOO!!!

  315. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    For those interested in listening to the Tampa Yankees, here’s the free feed from the Daytona Cubs radio station.

    http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin.....38;tm=8875

  316. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Trisha I did read that and I find it hilarious and horrible at the same time

  317. Bronx Jeers April 16th, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    Im at NYY Steak getting slowly stewed.

    Give me a few hours. I may end up in Costa Mesa!!

  318. Sean Serritella April 16th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    The game won’t be on regular cable tomorrow?

  319. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    Note of interest. Andrew Brackman was put on the DL today with an emergency appendectomy.

  320. CR9 April 16th, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    Sean

    I’m sure it will. If you’re in NY, I’m sure it will be on YES.

  321. Erin April 16th, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    Sean Serritella April 16th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
    The game won’t be on regular cable tomorrow?

    **********************
    Sean, it will. We poor out-of-towners who never get to watch the Yankees on Saturdays actually will be able to watch too.

  322. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    Trisha, I don’t know if you saw it, but I left you a message at 4:22.

  323. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    Patrick – I absolutely understand the mixed reaction. Wow. I mean the fact that someone can vomit on command is quite a talent.

    :)

  324. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    Jeter has been looking terrible in the field.

  325. California April 16th, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    man, CC looks fat.

  326. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    I did see that Nick.

  327. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    GB, Young Master Hughes learned a hard lesson that day in Baltimore when every seeing eye hit, and every close call that he didn’t get resulted in a complete meltdown for him that day……..I’m certain years from now, Phil will look back and say that was the fork in the road in his career……He took a beating that day, not only at the hands of the O’s, but in the press, the Yankee fanblogs , the LoHud, and even Johnny Damon apparently took a swipe or two at him……

  328. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    And that’s what happens when Thames starts in LF. Gardner gets that ball, no doubt about it

  329. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Jeter monitoring station snaps to work:

    http://farm4.static.flickr.com.....70418d.jpg

  330. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy April 16th, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Did Thames knock back a few cold ones before the game?

  331. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    Trisha: I see.

  332. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    I don’t know if anyone has followed CJ Wilson at all, but he has a ton of talent. He was tremendous as a reliever and he is starting now. I guess he was a starter earlier in his career but it hadn’t been for a while. I know he had a case of food poisoning and was questionable for tonight (meaning I don’t know whether his pitching will be affected) but he someone definitely worth watching.

  333. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    I don’t know if anyone has followed CJ Wilson at all, but he has a ton of talent. He was tremendous as a reliever and he is starting now. I guess he was a starter earlier in his career but it hadn’t been for a while. I know he had a case of food poisoning and was questionable for tonight (meaning I don’t know whether his pitching will be affected) but he someone definitely worth watching.

  334. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    For the tampa Yanks Brandon Braboy is the emergency starter, sets down the Cubs on e 1 hit in the first.

    Abe Almonte singles to right to lead off
    Pirela bounces out to first
    Joseph with an RBI double
    Suttle strikes out
    Medchill pops out to shortstop

  335. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy April 16th, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    CC should be out of the inning right now. Thames is now 3/3 in costing his pitcher run/s and pitches.

  336. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    Should have been an error on Jeter

  337. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 7:11 pm
    GB, Young Master Hughes learned a hard lesson that day in Baltimore when every seeing eye hit, and every close call that he didn’t get resulted in a complete meltdown for him that day……..I’m certain years from now, Phil will look back and say that was the fork in the road in his career……He took a beating that day, not only at the hands of the O’s, but in the press, the Yankee fanblogs , the LoHud, and even Johnny Damon apparently took a swipe or two at him……

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Pat, that’s what you have to appreciate about Hughes. You only need to tell him something once before he gets it.

  338. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Lgy and carl – agree with both of you

  339. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 16th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    Hi all. Nice start by Derek.

  340. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    Jeter to his left
    it’s something to monitor
    like his ground ball hits

  341. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    Jerkface if your around, how’s that sample size going?

  342. Benny Blanco April 16th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    Jeter is a beast.

  343. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    Didn’t take long for the trolls and whiners.

    Could Thames have caught it, probably, but, should he? Maybe not. I don’t know many teams that play left handed pull hitters on the left field line.

  344. Dano April 16th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    Nick – i think you’re being ignored!

    Does this qualify as a haiku??

    Oh no!, says Limey
    E S P N, U S A
    lets me down again

  345. Benny Blanco April 16th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    I convinced that Johnson walks in his sleep.

  346. GiambisGoldenThong April 16th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    Is wilson getting squeezed? It looks like it on gameday. How is it actually watching it on tv?

  347. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    He is GGT

  348. Benny Blanco April 16th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    That was not a strike!

  349. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Nick, I think it’s fair to say that getting Hughes an ovation likely was not a factor and certainly not a defining factor in Girardi sending Hughes out for the 6th,

    Hi Fran.

    :)

  350. CR9 April 16th, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    1st cheap call of the game: 1-0 pitch to Teixeira. Changed the complexion of the AB.

    Instead of 3-0, it was 2-1 and a DP.

    YES!!

  351. Benny Blanco April 16th, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    It has to be mental with tex.

  352. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    Brayboy after 2 innings, 2 hits, 0 runs, 0 walks, 0 strikeouts

  353. Donnie - Will Meet Mike Napoli Under the O'Neill Banner April 16th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    Tex has GOT to get right. He’s killing rallies left and right with this miserable plate appearances. I’m not worried, I just wish he’d hurry it up a bit. haha

  354. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 16th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    Hi Trisha :)

    Had some computer issues but all squared away now I hope.
    Like that passed ball.

  355. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    Dano, if it’s 5 7 5, it’s a haiku. Well done!

    And you spoke too soon — or just in time.

    Thank you, Trisha. I will pretend to eat some taffy now.

  356. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    Benny…Great line about Nick the swift…

  357. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    great at bat by Alex

  358. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 16th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    Last season we blamed Tex’s poor April on Alex being out. Looks like Tex is just a slow starter.

  359. DYD INDA WUL April 16th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Nice, DIW, but you cheated.
    __________________________________________________

    Yes Nick, I did. Not true to form.

    But only one in the know could tell. ;)

    Couldn’t resist, though, the play on words.

  360. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    Not a good swing by Cano

  361. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    I like how the Rays are wearing 42 today because they couldn’t do it yesterday.

  362. stuckey April 16th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    “Last season we blamed Tex’s poor April on Alex being out. Looks like Tex is just a slow starter.”

    A-Rod didn’t get him any pitches, he just got him to relax, which made the difference.

    Tex’s troubles are the classic self-fulling prophecy. He worked so hard not to struggle, he’s struggling.

    Next spring they should come up with a fake injury and not let him hit until there is only a week left or something.

  363. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    Cano doesn’t focus enough without RISP. :(

  364. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    Mesa flies out
    Abeita bounces out
    Lockwood bounces out

  365. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    I missed the first few Texas hitter ab’s, judging from what I’ve read, it appears that Marcus failed to make a play ???? Any elaboration ????

  366. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    I thought GB7 was dropping a haiku, but no.

  367. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 16th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    HI -

    I just missed the last 2 or so hours.

    Well, I see Thames was impactful again. 8O

    And Tex is as hot as ever!

    But at least the game is tied and I’m gonna catch up right now. :)

  368. Benny Blanco April 16th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    CC pounding the strike zone.

  369. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    Vernon Wells has returned

  370. m April 16th, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    Even Longoria stole a base off Varitek. :)

    For all the stat peoples. Can someone find our ranking as far as runs scored and our ranking for HR?

  371. California April 16th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Rays with one steal so far.

  372. stuckey April 16th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    The Vernon Wells for Zack McAllister, Juan Miranda and Brett Gardner proposals should commence presently.

  373. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 16th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Wow. Great job by CC in that inning

  374. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Great comeback inning for Sabathia. Looks like the K family reunion that inning.

  375. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Nick in sf…What’s the overs on Tampa swiping bases tonight ??? 6 maybe

  376. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    CC!

    Job #1 is to give the team the best chance to win games… but beyond that, do you think CC is tired of coming up on the short side of 20 wins due to slow starts?

    And it should go without saying that he would like to return to Oklahoma City after the season ends.

  377. Benny Blanco April 16th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    CC looks like he’s in mid season form.

  378. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    It’s better than pretending to eat crow, Nick. Count your blessings.

    Was that reference to you being ignored supposed to be about me Nick? If so, the comment had nothing to do with my response to you as I didn’t read it until after I had posted. And it would have made no sense anyway since I had already answered you, just hadn’t elaborated. You’re extremely important but not as important as redeeming my dinner at the front door and using my inhaler in an attempt to calm my bronchitis so I could attempt to eat without coughing through my entire dinner.

    I don’t know why you’d bring up taffy since you’re the one who offered the parameters on this bet. If you need some kind of incentive whenever you mention a bet of any kind, you might want to visit this website, http://www.gamblersanonymous.org/ Who knows, we might get some posts from Nick in LA.

    ;)

  379. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    Pat M: let’s say 5.5 steals and we can pound the over.

    Or 6.5 steals and we can still go over.

  380. Sprinters don't slide April 16th, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    Cc was impressive

  381. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 16th, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    Trisha,

    Great job by your fantasy team. Is is the chocolate peanut butter rabbit?

  382. DYD INDA WUL April 16th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    Missing the game start

    wife and kids got the TV

    will catch the game end

  383. pat April 16th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    Where’s a catwalk when you need it? :sad:

  384. Tommy April 16th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    The ‘TexAday] Watch: What’s Lower

    Halladay’s ERA: 0.50
    Tex’s BA: 088

  385. stuckey April 16th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Halladay with a 4-0 lead in the 2nd.

    Wonder if the lead is safe…lol

  386. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Halladay wins 30 this year.

  387. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 16th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Two things: Who knew Chan Ho Park had such a sense of humor? From looking at him, you’d never guess iti! :lol:

    Second: Tex needs a day off.

  388. Tommy April 16th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    what a dream for Doc.
    National League + Phils hitters behind him = Cy Young

  389. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    Good grief, Trisha, the reference to being ignored was in response to a comment, not one initiated by me.

    And the taffy reference was a joke. Does anyone remember laughter?*

    *that is also a joke, but I won’t explain it unless I have to.

  390. Benny Blanco April 16th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    I must admit, Phillies team has a lot of bats on that team. Halladay must think he’s in heaven.

  391. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    Fran, I didn’t think they did so well. Jorge DLR killed me yesterday. Otherwise it could have been a nice day! Here’s what I narrowed it down to. Chocolate peanut butter rabbit when the Dodgers are playing since Broxton didn’t get the save but got the win. Whiskey the rest of this week when Qualls pitches, but that’s just to keep me calm. :) After watching him blow another save last night, I’m afraid that as of Monday he is DFA. And it’s as of Monday only because I’m forced to wait that long. The papers have already been signed.

    :D

    Picked up Leo Nunez.

    Or did you mean today’s games???

  392. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    Brandon Braboy after 3 innings, 4 hits, 1 run, 0 walks, 0 strikeouts

    1-1 tie

  393. m April 16th, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    I would appreciate it if you guys would refrain from celebrating Halladay here.

    It still hurts.

  394. Benny Blanco April 16th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    CC might k 15 batters tonight.

  395. stuckey April 16th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    5 in a row

  396. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    # m April 16th, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    I would appreciate it if you guys would refrain from celebrating Halladay here.

    It still hurts.

    Happy Halladays! jk

  397. Benny Blanco April 16th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    CC 27K 7B

  398. California April 16th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    One strike out so far against Davis for The Fat One.

  399. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 10 April 16th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    wow,

    CC’s slider is on tonight.

    He put those last 2 exactly where he wanted them.

  400. igotid88 April 16th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    i feel bad the next time Posada has to catch CC.

  401. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    CC in a Groove

  402. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    36 pitches and 29 strikes. he’s zeroed in right now.

  403. me April 16th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Halladay will probably win 35 games this season.

  404. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 16th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Anyone else catch that while Michael Kay was telling the story about CC telling Cervelli “you call the game, I’ll throw,” CC shook Cervelli off twice?

  405. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Nick, I’ve been sick for the last two weeks. I’ve had to choose between laughing and trying to breathe. It was a tough choice but I’ve gone with the latter.

    I always find someone butting in and trying to stir the pot hysterical – however, Dano’s powers of observation are on the very weak side since I had already responded to you before he made his comment.

    Enjoy your pretend taffy. I’m going to enjoy the game.

  406. stuckey April 16th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    “Halladay will probably win 35 games this season.”

    Have him winning a few games outta the pen between starts, do ya? :-)

  407. me April 16th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    Halladay will probably win 35 games this season.

    +>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>

    I shouldn’t say “probably.”

    It is an absolute certainty at this point.

  408. Tommy April 16th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    so who do u guys go for in that series? TB or Boston?
    I say lets have TB win 2 of 3.

  409. RS April 16th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    CC is such a great pitcher. Last week it was the changeup that fooled the Rays, and today he’s dropping his slider all over the place. If the Rangers spent some time studying video from his last outing, it’s pretty much for nothing because he’s just finding another method to dominate by.

  410. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    If I was trying to make it hard for you to breathe, Trisha, I would have been funnier.

    Dano can speak for himself, but perhaps his comment wasn’t meant to be taken literally.

    Feel better.

  411. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 16th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    Trisha,

    I meant that you caught up to Erica. You were trailing by a lot.

  412. Sprinters don't slide April 16th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    Anyone comment on the Michael Kay sny feud??

  413. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Someone (can’t remember who) has said that Cervelli doesn’t call the game but Eiland gives him the pitches to call. I’d like to know what makes that person believe that’s the case. Again, I don’t remember who has been saying it.

    To me Cervelli is an orderly and pristine catcher. He looks like he’d be a joy to pitch to. He doesn’t appear to be all over the place like a jumping bean. Clean smooth actions.

  414. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 11 April 16th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    I guess if you’re gonna walk NJ, he figured he’d just get it over in 1 pitch.

    ouch

  415. pat April 16th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    “Does anyone remember laughter?”

    If it’s any consolation, your Jeter tax joke last night was classic and timeless.

  416. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    I like the idea of Halladay getting some vulture wins on his throw days!

  417. me April 16th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Did Nick Johnson shatter into pieces?

  418. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Braboy is pitching well through 4 innings with 5 hits, 1 run, 0 walks, 1 strikeout. He spent the last 4 months and this year as a relief pitcher after being a carrer starter.

  419. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Alex goes deep here

  420. RS April 16th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    Our stolen base % this year isn’t so hot.

  421. Benny Blanco April 16th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    He was safe.

  422. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 16th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    Now why would Nick Johnson even be running with Alex up?

  423. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 11 April 16th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    NJ had that base stolen…

    but it’s no surprise that he wouldn’t get the benefit of the doubt

    and the fact that the throw beat him by a bit isn’t gonna help either.

  424. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    Bad call on Johnson, but still not a good decision to run

  425. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    Carl, I’m going to rule that your Alex prediction carries over to the next inning.

  426. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    I wasn’t even sure if Dano’s comment was directed at me, as I had already posted to you. That’s why I asked you the question. I had just come on and wasn’t aware of everything that had been posted. It was more your response to him that made me think it might be.

    Anyway, it’s past. Right now is the present and that’s why they call it a gift.

    :)

    GO YANKEES!

  427. Chuck58 April 16th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    Nick – “Plant” it ;-)

    GB – Brandon the Batboy?

  428. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 11 April 16th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    The Red Sox new shortstop solution Scutaro with his second error allows Carl Crawford to reach… and then steal 2nd base.

  429. cano he didnt April 16th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    i wonder how many umps subliminally call outs just because the throw beat the runner

  430. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    # Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    Carl, I’m going to rule that your Alex prediction carries over to the next inning.

    Thank you so much my friend.

  431. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 11 April 16th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    and the error leads to a run

    1-0 Tampa

  432. Eric April 16th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Joe West is paying them to call outs so we can speed up the game. Come on guys, the umpires have to get to that post game spread!!!

  433. Plutonium April 16th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Is Rain there yet?

  434. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    CC is the man

  435. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    If I never post here again it’s because I hung myself on a string of bobblehead coils.

  436. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Hamilton, Grieve, Juan Gonzales…Texas HR league HR crown, to answer Kay’s question

  437. Sprinters don't slide April 16th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    Of course the throw beating the runner helped the yanks yesterday

  438. Benny Blanco April 16th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    CC willl pitch a CG

  439. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    Joseph grounds out

    Suttle walks

    Medchill doubles to score fsuttle from first. Tampa leads 2-1.

    Mesa grounds out

    catcher Mitch Abeita doubles to score Medchill

    Lockwood flies out to deep left

  440. cano he didnt April 16th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    complete game for CC? Hopefully we can start scoring some runs now though.

  441. antisocial scrooge April 16th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    wow, they’re running wild on tek in beantown

  442. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 16th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    CC is really in a groove. Great story about him offering to make up the difference to Cervelli if he only got a 1/2 World Series share.

  443. California April 16th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    Another good game from CC wasted. What a pathetic offense.

  444. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    What was the question, Pat?

  445. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Fran, now that is amazing. It wasn’t until you mentioned it that I checked the current score!

    One of my best draftees – Vernon Wells.

    An uncertainty – Paul Konkero. I was definitely dropping him but last night couldn’t find anyone to replace him with so figured I’d wait until Sunday. Now I might be happy I waited.

    A disappointment to date but I’m certainly not dumping him – Troy Tulowitzki.

    Is it a full moon? My fantasy team seems to be having a good night.

    :)

  446. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 16th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Low Tek can’t take advantage of Beckett slide step to throw out Tampa runners.

    LOL.

    Intellectually, at least, I should be rooting for Boston, because Tampa is the better team. But I can’t bring myself to do it.

    How do we look?

    I have a hockey playoff game of slightly more import to watch of my no backcheck, schizophrenic team.

  447. Tommy April 16th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    thinking bout it, who’s number do u think will be lower?

    Roys ERA or Tex’s BA?

    I say Roy ERA: 2.32

    Tex will hit .286

  448. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 16th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
    What was the question, Pat?
    ===

    How does CC look so far?

  449. Olan April 16th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Doc has 333 batting average……Tex should be ashame!

  450. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    GB…Texas Ranger’s that led the AL in HR’s…….Frank Howard played when they were the still the Washington Senators…I missed on Alex…..

  451. RS April 16th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    lol, I thought Young purposely handed off the ball to the shortstop.

  452. Bring in the Goose April 16th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    Man, Tex should just start spring training in January.

    He’s dead weight with the bat this season.

    Anyone ripping Papi needs to look at one of our own.

  453. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    Andres should be ashamed of himself trying to pull off the Cano-ninja-hat look in April!

  454. stuckey April 16th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    “Another good game from CC wasted. What a pathetic offense.”

    Cal, clearly your heart isn’t in this anymore or you’ve lost a step.

    That’s okay, you gave it a good run. Nothing to be ashamed of. :-)

  455. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Braboy with 5 solid innings, 5 hits, 1 run, 0 walks, 1 strikeout

  456. Bring in the Goose April 16th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    I must add “so far” to my last comment.

    I know it’s early.

  457. California April 16th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Chad spending this Friday night at his girlfriend’s ?

  458. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    # stuckey April 16th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    “Another good game from CC wasted. What a pathetic offense.”

    Cal, clearly your heart isn’t in this anymore or you’ve lost a step.

    That’s okay, you gave it a good run. Nothing to be ashamed of. :-)

    lol

  459. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    make that 5 innings, 6 hits

  460. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 16th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    How did we score our run?

    How does CC look?

    Somebody…?

    I’m not able to watch it.

  461. Sprinters don't slide April 16th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Big inning?? Hope so

  462. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 11 April 16th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    let’s go Marcus!

    we need a couple runs before the rain comes

  463. Benny Blanco April 16th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Thames ” I hit leftys” is up.

  464. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Marcus is about to make you haters cry

  465. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Time for Marcus Thames to get that run back.

  466. Sprinters don't slide April 16th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Cc dominating

  467. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Wilson is pitching scared…..Afraid to make a mistake…Here it comes

  468. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 11 April 16th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    bod,

    CC looks very good. locating well.

  469. RS April 16th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    “Another good game from CC wasted. What a pathetic offense.”

    This statement really doesn’t make any sense. In 2009, Sabathia had THE BEST run support in the majors. And so far in 2010, he had a no decision where he gave up 5 runs, and a win where he pitched excellent. His W-L record as a Yankee seems extremely accurate to me.

  470. RS April 16th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    Time for Thames to get back that run he gave up in the first inning.

  471. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
    GB…Texas Ranger’s that led the AL in HR’s…….Frank Howard played when they were the still the Washington Senators…I missed on Alex…..

    I knew that Hamilton and grieve didn’t win, and knew about Gonzales and Rodriguez. I wasn’t even counting Washington, but was thinking Teixeira’s 44 lead the league one year

  472. Benny Blanco April 16th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    This has granderson written all over it.

  473. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 16th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    Hi bodhi,

    Derek scored on a passed ball.
    CC looks fantastic.

  474. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    bodhi, CC looks sharp and dominant. he has 6 K’s through 4 innings.

    Jeter scored on a wild pitch for our run.

    There are places on the internets to follow along live, you know!

  475. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    thats not a strike

  476. RS April 16th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    How the heck is that foul??

  477. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    1. That was not a strike to Thames and he did not go around

    2. Regardless, it was a poor at-bat. Striking out with bases loaded and a fielding miscue.. where are the Thames supporters? Still a good decision?

  478. RS April 16th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    Lucky break!

  479. igotid88 April 16th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    safe

  480. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 11 April 16th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    cmon Texas

    everybody know you win with pitching and defense!

  481. RS April 16th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    Wow, CJ Wilson has been completely snakebitten this inning.

  482. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 16th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    2 huge runs the way CC is pitching.

  483. pat April 16th, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    Good job by Swisher going to third.

  484. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 16th, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    Thanks, BD, Fran, Nick.

    Maybe when CC’s done, there, he can take faceoffs for the Guins and plant in the slot. We could use the help.

  485. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    bodhi: http://tinyurl.com/yyh2opp

    ;)

  486. Sprinters don't slide April 16th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Swisher would be out if wiffleball or kickball rules were being used

  487. jerkface April 16th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    2. Regardless, it was a poor at-bat. Striking out with bases loaded and a fielding miscue.. where are the Thames supporters? Still a good decision?

    Sample size :v

  488. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    They weren’t going to turn a DP, but, that extra base for Swisher and base runner is huge.

  489. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Keep it going

  490. Benny Blanco April 16th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Cervelli gets a hit every time watch him play.

  491. RS April 16th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Cervelli is easily one of the best backup catchers in the big leagues. Seems like every game he contributes with the bat.

  492. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    Like I said, Patrick, with Cervelli in the lineup, Girardi also wanted a THUMPER, hence Thames.

    :grin:

  493. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    Swisher doesn’t score without that extra base

  494. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    # RS April 16th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Cervelli is easily one of the best backup catchers in the big leagues. Seems like every game he contributes with the bat.

    He has a good strike zone.

  495. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    Patrick I’m still in the Thames corner, was hoping for him all winter, and why would I change ???? He’s 1-2 and although I didn’t see the play, I don’t see an error charged……You’re devotion to Brett Gardner is noteworthy, however do not let that cloud your vision

  496. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    Accuscore > Accuweather. :evil:

  497. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    Come on strike out so we can win the game

  498. Benny Blanco April 16th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    I dont feel like watching yankeeography. Please dont rain!

  499. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    oooh, Halladay gave up a run. Get hot, Tex!

  500. stuckey April 16th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    “2. Regardless, it was a poor at-bat. Striking out with bases loaded and a fielding miscue.. where are the Thames supporters? Still a good decision?”

    yup

  501. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 16th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    Tx. Just wanted a sentence or two. Appreciate.

  502. Sprinters don't slide April 16th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    Thames is a serviceable 5th outfielder with power. Gardner is not an everyday player

  503. RS April 16th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    Lol at Adrian Beltre

  504. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    Sucks we don’t get to see a full game of this :(

  505. Sprinters don't slide April 16th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    When was the last 5 inning Yankee game?

  506. Jim The VT Yankeefan April 16th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    For those of us stuck at work and unable to watch, how bad is the field? Any chance of the game being called soon?

  507. Sprinters don't slide April 16th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Jim The VT Yankeefan says:
    April 16, 2010 at 8:28 pm
    For those of us stuck at work and unable to watch, how bad is the field? Any chance of the game being called soon?

    I would say yes

  508. RS April 16th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Seems like a shame to have such a brilliant start by Sabathia cut short by rain, but it would also be nice to pick up a win with CC only throwing 60 pitches or so.

  509. Benny Blanco April 16th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    why does it have to rain when cc’s pitching a gem.

  510. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    Top 7th for Tampa Yanks. Venditte is pitching

  511. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    Oliver Perez gives up a double, walks a batter, then gets Pujols to gidp. lol

  512. RS April 16th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    “For those of us stuck at work and unable to watch, how bad is the field? Any chance of the game being called soon?”

    The field isn’t terrible but the forecast is. This game will almost certainly be called as soon as possible.

  513. Benny Blanco April 16th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    8 K’s

  514. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    48 strikes. 9 balls. CC is a beast.

  515. RS April 16th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    Teagarden gave Sabathia a nasty look after that pitch, lol.

  516. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    I like this Texaday watch.

    For one inning, Tex was ahead — or behind. But Halladay just went scoreless again and has his ERA down to 0.86.

    Tex is batting 0.86.

    Dead heat.

  517. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 16th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Official game now.

  518. RS April 16th, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Sabathia is on pace for 8 innings (118 pitches) with 16 Ks.

  519. stuckey April 16th, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Official game baby, bring on the tarp…

  520. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    GB, are you serious about Brackman? What on earth is in the water in the Yankees minor leagues? You could go years without a player needing an appendectomy and now two go down in the space of two weeks? This season is starting out pretty badly for the farm….

    Pat M, that start by Phil in Baltimore seemed so out of character for him. I mean, I know everyone has a bad start, even a terrible start, but Phil always seemed like a mature kid who didn’t get rattled. I guess he showed he was (a) human and (b) a young human. Maybe it was a culmination of all the frustrations that he suffered over the last couple of years. He said very recently that he wish he could wipe 2008 from his mind. Can you imagine what he was going through? He knew very well that people were questioning whether he would ever make it back. For someone who’d only known success, facing the possibility of failure must be scary. Fortunately, Phil is a tough kid and bounced back; those setbacks will, I think, end up making him a better pitchere.

    GB, that’s one thing I love about Phil – he’s a coachable kid.

  521. California April 16th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    The Fat One struck out against Davis again.

  522. RS April 16th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Never mind, CC has pitched 5 innings, not 4. Still a moot point if the game is called.

  523. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    venditte as a right hander strikeout
    as a left hander strikeout
    as a right hander strikeout

  524. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    Hey, did you hear the gem that Omar uttered today? Met fans must be pulling the hair out of their heads. Omar said that he would be satisfied by winning 1 out of 3 in St. Louis. Are you kidding me? He should get crucified by saying that. What kind of confidence is he showing in his team? More importantly, what kind of standards is he setting for the team? The bar is obviously low. If Omar thinks 1 out of 3 is acceptable, then why shouldn’t the players?

  525. Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Tex falls behind… ouch. :(

  526. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Yeah, Betsy. It happened early today. I got the information from the radio broadcast

  527. Benny Blanco April 16th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    OMG… I can’t believe how bad Tex looks at the plate.

  528. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    I just got back from dinner; sounds like CC is in mid-season form. Hey, if he can break out of his April slump, then so can Tex, lol.

  529. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    “Another good game from CC wasted. What a pathetic offense.”

    I think everyone who has spent time with him on the forum is convinced that california is a sux troll who makes a sensible comment once every blue moon just to trick people into thinking he’s actually a Yankee fan.

    But for the sake of those here who might want to learn the fundamentals of baseball, I’ll use this post as a teaching tool.

    You see california, when you’re talking about an offense that has involved in quite a few high scoring games, you don’t call them a pathetic offense if they don’t happen to have scored. More often than not, when that happens you have to look at how effective the opposing pitcher is! When you wrote your post I can only guess that the Rangers defense hadn’t yet made any of the errors that led to the beginning of the extra runs.

    It would be like a Rangers fan saying (at the time it was the case) “Another good outing by CJ wasted. What a pathetic offense.” Perhaps you as a fan who spends as much time gawking at the Yankees as he does as the Sux, would immediately be drawn to say, “what the hell are you talking about? CC Sabathia is pitching a great game. It has nothing to do with the offense.”

    And you would be right.

    Pay closer attention california, hopefully on the SOSH forum, and you will eventually learn these things.

    No need to thank me.

  530. RS April 16th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    Off-topic, but what is Jerry Manuel thinking with the Mets lineup? Mike Jacobs has consistently been the cleanup or #5 hitter, batting .158, while Jeff Francoeur (.438 BA) is hitting behind him. In the past couple games I have seen Jacobs end innings with runners on base, only to see Francoeur leadoff the next inning with a walk or hit.

    It’s not like Jacobs is a proven all-star or something. He was just released by the freaking Royals this past offseason.

  531. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    Betsy, That night in Baltimore was a case of everything that could go wrong went wrong….His problem was that night was that he had 2 strikes on 8 batters that night who got on base……Only a few hard hit balls, but he melted down mentally when things went awry……A clear learning experience for him

  532. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 16th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 8:31 pm
    I like this Texaday watch.

    For one inning, Tex was ahead — or behind. But Halladay just went scoreless again and has his ERA down to 0.86.

    Tex is batting 0.86.

    Dead heat.
    ===

    Haha. Our old friend Leche was close at 0.88 but he got a hit tonight.

  533. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    What did Tex do? Eh, I’m not going to bother getting frustrated when I know he’ll come out of it eventually.

    Is Jeter not looking so great defensively?

  534. RS April 16th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    At this point, I have no problem with the Yankees offense having bad ABs. I just want to see CC pitch as long as possible.

  535. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    Yanks had 3 almost give away at bats that inning. It’s already an official game.

  536. Jeremy April 16th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    Wow ! Sabathia is pitching lights out tonight. He has pin point control and he is throwing strikes.

  537. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    Pat M, I guess it happens to everyone………at least Phil learned from it. Whenever you think it’s bad, remember Doc. He came up and nearly threw a no-hitter in his second start. After that, he was so bad for so long that the Jays had to completely start over with him. It’s a remarkable story. I think the point is, baseball is a game of failure and how you deal with failure says a lot about you as an athlete and as a person. Mo has had his bad moments (few and far between, but he has had them) and he’s always bounced back.

  538. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 11 April 16th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    Borbon is fast – he will prob run

    this will be a good test for CC/Cervelli

  539. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 16th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    I’m between periods, here so I can watch again.

    Get CC off that slick mound.

  540. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    GB, ridiculous, huh? Boy, Omar doesn’t have any more room in his mouth to speak as he’s got both feet firmly planted there.

  541. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 11 April 16th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    the way CC is pitching, plus the rain, and the odds are in favor of the Yanks starting

    7-3

    yet people are still finding things to complain about.

    I don’t see too any teams out there that look much better than the pinstripes so far.

  542. RS April 16th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    “venditte as a right hander strikeout
    as a left hander strikeout
    as a right hander strikeout”

    Awesome!

  543. RS April 16th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    CC has gotten more swings and misses in this game than I’ve ever seen him get.

  544. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Oops, GB- you were referring to Brackman, right? Unbelieveable.

  545. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    BD, I doubt there’s a more complete team in the majors.

  546. Jeremy April 16th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    BD (Boston Dave) – NJ walk tracker = 11

    Some of these fans demand perfection. They expect the Yankees to win every game. Which is funny.

  547. CB April 16th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    There still some notion in some people’s minds about CC being an “innings eater” more than he is a dominant pitcher.

    We heard that throughout last year and even going into this season yankee fans have articulated this idea.

    He is a brilliant pitcher both in terms of stuff and length. He doesn’t have good stuff – he has great stuff. This is a left hander who throws in the mid 90′s and throws 3 plus pitches. And on top of that he has plus plus command.

    At times he’s almost taken for granted because he does throw so many innings.

    If you were to design a pitcher – just make one up as an ideal exercise – you’d almost wind up with CC as the product.

    We’re watching arguably the best starting pitcher to wear the pinstripes since Whitey Ford.

  548. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    Pinpoint control with stuff is illegal. 75 pitches and 60 strikes.

  549. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    Francisco Cervelli is an absolute delight to watch catch. The thought that he may only get better and better blows me away. I think he is fantastic right now. I think his bat is fine, but I am referencing his skills as a defensive catcher. Notice that his glove hardly moves when he catches. The kid is smooth as silk. Poetry in motion, albeit not a lot of motion.

    :)

  550. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 11 April 16th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Betsy,

    me too.

    so any doubts we have about the Yanks and their bullpen or their LF?…. fans of other teams have twice as many doubts.

    there is no perfect team – though that won’t stop some of us from demanding one :)

  551. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 16th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Low Tek must be roiding again.

  552. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 11 April 16th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    GB7,

    staggering #s.

    His slider, after not having it last game, has been virtually unhittable.

  553. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Watch out, CB, Gator will get The Bayou Mafia after you.

  554. Jeremy April 16th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    RS
    Jerry Manuel is going to be fired after they lose this Cardinals series and the Cubs series after that. I say he gets fired by the end of the month- Mat 1st.

  555. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    Nice throw.

  556. RS April 16th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    I can’t believe how anyone could complain about a 7-3 start when the Yankees have faced the 4 best teams in the AL from last season (not including themselves, of course). Heck, I was bracing for them getting their third loss in a Fenway Park sweep. This fast start has been such a pleasant surprise (only because they usually struggle in April…not because I didn’t have faith in the team).

  557. merna loy April 16th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    I think everyone who has spent time with him on the forum is convinced that california is a sux troll who makes a sensible comment once every blue moon just to trick people into thinking he’s actually a Yankee fan.

    But for the sake of those here who might want to learn the fundamentals of baseball, I’ll use this post as a teaching tool.

    You see california, when you’re talking about an offense that has involved in quite a few high scoring games, you don’t call them a pathetic offense if they don’t happen to have scored. More often than not, when that happens you have to look at how effective the opposing pitcher is! When you wrote your post I can only guess that the Rangers defense hadn’t yet made any of the errors that led to the beginning of the extra runs.

    It would be like a Rangers fan saying (at the time it was the case) “Another good outing by CJ wasted. What a pathetic offense.” Perhaps you as a fan who spends as much time gawking at the Yankees as he does as the Sux, would immediately be drawn to say, “what the hell are you talking about? CC Sabathia is pitching a great game. It has nothing to do with the offense.”

    And you would be right.

    Pay closer attention california, hopefully on the SOSH forum, and you will eventually learn these things.

    No need to thank me.

    ___________________________________

    Remember that thing I said about your posts taking up too much space in the comments? the above is a good example. Try to stick to one paragraph.

  558. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    Wow, 60/15 Strike to BB ratio? That’s beyond insane…..

  559. CR9 April 16th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    Tek is on the juice!

    And Navarro, who cares that he dropped the foul pop due to the strong winds, didnt even try to catch it. Much like the previous inning, he struck out on a ball that bounced 10 feet in front of home plate with a runner on 2nd and 0 out.

    Thanks Navi!

  560. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 11 April 16th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    CB,

    I was thinking of that as well… hoping CC doesn’t opt out of his contract after next season (I don’t think he will).

    If CC stays healthy and finishes that 7 year deal, he could go down as a legend.

  561. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    Yeah, for some reason CC doesn’t get the attention he deserves. He carried us through the post-season last year and he still doesn’t. Halladay, IMO, is in a league of his own, but CC is better than Hernandez, better than Santana…..he’s sick.

  562. Joe from Long Island April 16th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Brett in for Thames. Joe smells a win and wants the D.

  563. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    BD, on nights like this when he’s on, NYY should only be allowed 1 outfielder.

  564. RS April 16th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    “Jerry Manuel is going to be fired after they lose this Cardinals series and the Cubs series after that. I say he gets fired by the end of the month- Mat 1st.”

    The trouble is, most Mets fans seem to think the problem isn’t just Jerry Manuel or even Omar Minaya, but that it’s the Wilpons. You can fire your manager and you can fire your GM, but you can’t fire the owner.

  565. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    BD, that’s true, lol. I need to think about that before I go into my “OMG, the pen has shown a few warts; could it be that they are human?” mode.

  566. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    CNNSI had the Yanks as #5 in their power rankings, lol.

  567. connorf April 16th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Was Thames getting boo’d in his AB?

  568. CB April 16th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    GB7,

    I said arguably…. and I thought of Gator. Obviously Gator was just great – and I doubt CC ever has a year like Guidry did in 1978.

    That said – Guidry’s run of brilliance lasted for a relatively brief period of time.

    I think CC has the advantage of length and durability over Gator. That’s why I would personally give him a nod. Now granted I’m projecting some here. But I do think CC is going to have a very long period of sustained success.

    CC has a good chance to win 300 games.

    But I will look out for the Cajun’s coming to get me…

  569. Jeremy April 16th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    Varitek is on the roids again. He couldn’t hit a paper bag last year.

  570. RS April 16th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    CC is definitely better than Santana at this point. In the last three years he has won a Cy Young, had a historically great run down the stretch to carry the Brewers to the playoffs, and helped the Yankees win a championship with an ALCS MVP.

  571. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    I really don’t think CC will opt out. He loves it here, he loves his teammates, he’s making plenty of $$$; where else will he find the perfect storm?

  572. Joe from Long Island April 16th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    CB – That’s high praise for CC. You must realize that I remember Gator at his peak. 1978 was an unreal season for him.

  573. RS April 16th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    This is tough…I don’t know whether to root for the Red Sox or the Rays. I’m so used to pulling for the Rays in that matchup, but this year I really think they’re the Yankees biggest threat (not head-to-head, but record-wise).

  574. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    CC is also in his prime; he’s not some grizzled old vet – he’s 28. I still hope the Yanks watch out for his innings this year….

  575. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 16th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Guidry is the greatest Yankee starter of my lifetime

    God is Great
    God is loose
    And in the ninth
    The ball belongs to Goose

  576. Jeremy April 16th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    RS
    Well Mets fans are making a great point. The Wilpons are the main criminals. They don’t care about winning they ony care about profits and they sell snake oil to the fans.

    They should boycott Citi field.

  577. stuckey April 16th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    “where else will he find the perfect storm?”

    Here, for more money, years, or both.

  578. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    By the way, for prospect watchers, Jose Ramirez has 8 Ks in 4 innings tonight..

  579. CB April 16th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    That was a very good at bat for Granderson regardless of the outcome. Wilson’s throwing a good game and is tough on lefties.

    Granderson hung in there and fouled off a lot of good pitches which is not easy to do with Gardner running over and over while Curtis had two strikes on him.

  580. blake April 16th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    pitched out and still no chance.

  581. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    Stuckey, if he opts out, I don’t see the Yankees re-signing him.

  582. Benny Blanco April 16th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    Brillant Post CB! I was wondering the same thing but could not articulate it the way you just did.

  583. stuckey April 16th, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    “This is tough…I don’t know whether to root for the Red Sox or the Rays.”

    Root against the team that is bleeding in the water, like the Rays were last year at this time.

    First order of business is eliminating the three team race, then you worry about the two team one.

  584. Benny Blanco April 16th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    How good is cervelli?

  585. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Was one season enough to carry Gator over CC? Doc Gooden had one of the greatest seasons ever, but for various reasons, he never recaptured that and so clearly he wasn’t a great pitcher.

  586. Joe from Long Island April 16th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Cervelli has young legs.

  587. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 16th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    It was the habit of certain baseball-agnostic members of the Joffrey Ballet to watch Guidry’s starts.

    Grace under pressure.

  588. blake April 16th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    “That was a very good at bat for Granderson regardless of the outcome. Wilson’s throwing a good game and is tough on lefties.”

    He’s had a lot of good AB’s against lefties. The data and appearances are starting to accumulate now. Still probably a little premature but its starting to look like he has improved some against LH pitching.

  589. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    How good is Granderson?

  590. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Tampa yanks relief corps has struck out 7 straight.

    venditte as a left hander strikeout

    Switch hitter Long delay on getting the Venditte Rule straight

    pitching as a right hander infield single nubber to Venditte

    pitching right hander ground out

    pitching as a left hander strike out

  591. Jeremy April 16th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    I want to see the Red Sox lose because seeing Red Sox fans go into a frenzy makes me laugh.

  592. CB April 16th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    “If CC stays healthy and finishes that 7 year deal, he could go down as a legend.”

    The yankees won a world series with a 3 man rotation.

    The only reason they could even feasibly make that a strategy – the only reason they could even try it – even with the off days – was because of CC.

    That strategic advantage isn’t going to show up in the statistics but it was integral to their 27th championship.

    The guy is just so great its hard to get over.

    How does a guy that big repeat his mechanics so well? How does a guy with that kind of stuff have such dominant command?

    It’s raining pretty hard out there. The ball is wet. Footing on the mound isn’t great.

    And he’s standing up there throwing pin point darts and the rangers – a very good hitting club – have no chance.

  593. RS April 16th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    CC moved his family to NJ to live here year round. Since he made that decision even BEFORE the Yankees won the WS, I can’t see why after tasting success, he would decide to opt-out and uproot his family all over again.

    People seem to think that Sabathia demanded the opt-out clause or something, but both he and Cashman have confirmed that it was Cash’s idea to throw that into the contract.

  594. Joe from Long Island April 16th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Hey, that counts as an RBI – looks just like a line drive.

  595. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Fred Wilpon let his sap of a son take over; I mean I look at Jeff as another Hank. What exactly was Jeff doing before his dad “retired”? There is a black cloud over the Mets, but that cloud is of their own making. Omar’s comments today just take the cake.

  596. RS April 16th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    You’ve got to feel bad for CJ Wilson. The Yankees haven’t exactly been pounding the ball today.

  597. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 11 April 16th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    lets get that walk count up to 12 Nick… and let Mark break out of his slump with some RBIs

  598. stuckey April 16th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Betsy, this one has been hashed out to death before. What if he pitches brilliantly the next two years, wins another ring, in the Cy Young voting each year.

    You really see the Yankees letting him walk away?

    They’d be cruxified. The criticism they got for not bringing Damon back would be like a school christmas play.

  599. pat April 16th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Tex is thinking why don’t I get hits like that. :sad:

  600. stuckey April 16th, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    Somewhere, Jerkface is smileface.

  601. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    Um, they really need to stop play- it’s awful out.

  602. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    This game is going to be stopped real soon

  603. Joe from Long Island April 16th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    Betsy, Gator had more than one season. Yeah, 1978 was historic, but he was very, very good for several years. Though not as good, granted.

    And he learned that slider from Sparky.

  604. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    Stuckey, they would look at it as if CC is the one who decided to opt out and let him go. Neither you nor I can provide proof of our “rightness”…..we’ll have to wait and see. If CC opts out, I think he’ll catch some grief.

  605. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    “How good is cervelli?”

    I don’t see any limit to his potential.

    His skills as a defensive catcher are superior. Absolutely superior.

    He hits well. He’s quick.

    I think of him as one of those naturally talented players who just make the job look easy.

    I think he is seriously awesome.

  606. CB April 16th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    blake,

    I agree with you on Granderson. It’s very early but this is now becoming very encouraging regarding his at bats against lefties.

    He had a couple of awful at bats early in the season – that first against Lester in particular.

    But on the whole his at bats have looked better and better. He’s keeping his front side intact and his hands back. He looks decently balanced.

    I don’t see why he can’t hit at least .250 or so against lefties if he keeps this up. He could hit better than .250. I don’t see any fatal flaws right now which would make him an utter disaster against lefties.

    Let’s hope last year was an anomaly and the work Long did with him is sticking.

  607. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Joe, I wish I had seen Gator pitch – I was only 7 in 1978 and had no interest in baseball that I can remember. I’m sorry his stint as pitching coach here ended badly, but he’s so classy that he shows up to ST anyway every year.

  608. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Martin really tried to bury Guidry. He refused to pitch him in april of ’77 and begrudging ly finally started him when Huner got hurt. He still won 16 games and had 200 strikeouts, won 20 games 3 times. He didn’t even start until he was 26 and pitched for a year and a half with a shredded elbow. Like Stottlemyre, he never got to finish his career.

  609. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    RS, CJ Wilson is going to be a fine MLB pitcher….Liken him to Andy Pettite

  610. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 11 April 16th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    “The guy is just so great its hard to get over. ”

    ————-

    CB,

    that’s what I mean. He’s only been with the team for one season and there is already so much you can say about him.

    If he has several more postseasons like that, and it’s possible with this team, he’ll be one of the all time Yankee greats.

  611. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Hard work always pays off; I want Granderson to shut everyone up who practically insisted he was a platoon player.

  612. pat April 16th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Rain delay

  613. RS April 16th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Betsy,

    I agree about Jeff Wilpon. He certainly doesn’t seem to have any passion for the Mets, and that would be okay if he just hired his baseball people and let them do their thing. But apparently, he completely interferes with baseball operations and handcuffs Minaya when it comes to making certain moves (not going overslot on draft picks, for instance).

    That’s why I love Hal Steinbrenner so much. I don’t know if he cares about the team as much as George did, but it doesn’t matter because he lets Cash do his job and gives him the resources necessary to do so.

    Btw, what comments did Minaya make today?

  614. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    GB, that stinks. Wow, Gator won 20 games 3 times? He didn’t start until he was 26? He must have been something..

  615. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 16th, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    Guess CC is done even if they resume.

  616. igotid88 April 16th, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    stupid rain. What a disgrace to this game?

  617. RS April 16th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    Beckett is also having a very good game for the Red Sox so far. Only problem is, he’s already at 90+ pitches in the 6th inning and the Sox haven’t backed him up offensively.

  618. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    RS, I mentioned them above. Omar said he’d be happy taking 1/3 in St. Louis. IMO, that’s just a disgraceful comment (see my reaction above – I couldn’t believe it when I heard Dom LaGreca talking about it).

  619. Jeremy April 16th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    Betsy
    Yeah you’re right. Jeff Wilpon knows nothing about baseball. He is nothing more than a trust fund baby riding his dad’s success.

  620. Gordo April 16th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    CC is pitching really good, how manny K`s he haves?

  621. blake April 16th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    If Granderson hits .250 against lefties he’ll be an all star and will become one of the elite outfielders in baseball.

    CC is a fantastic athlete even though he’s a big guy. That helps him repeat his delivery and the fact that he’s 6’8″ helps him get that nice downward plane on the ball…. he’s special.

  622. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    Well, I would not bring CC out if they resume the game……..at least it will save pitches on his arm. Still, it stinks. On the other hand, this was no surprise; the weather is not looking good for tomorrow either.

  623. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    CC had 9 ks

  624. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    Jeremy, and Fred let Jeff take over – not exactly smart.

  625. Gordo April 16th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    thanx Carl

  626. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    And CB, I was only accepting your offer to argue. What better than agruing, “Who The Best”. Not quite “Willie, Mickey and The Duke” but, it’s a good one to have.

  627. CB April 16th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    Joe,

    Gator at the top of his game was just great. His slider was one of the best single tools any pitcher has had over the past 40 years.

    From 1977-1983 he was just great.

    I just think CC is going to be able to hold up better over time.

    I also think CC may have a more complete arsenal.

    But interestingly what they both had in common was that both were power pitchers who had dominant control.

    Guidry didn’t walk anyone. CC is similar in that vein.

  628. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy April 16th, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    I said a few times last year that Gardner is so fast even on pitch outs he is going to be safe a huge majority of the time. Hopefully he gets more aggressive as the season goes on running early in the count. He does not need to wait for the perfect pitch to go like he seems to wait for a bit too often.

  629. timo April 16th, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    In his first series last year against Baltimore, Cervelli “won” a game late by beating out an infield grounder with two out, nobody on, starting a winning rally. That was the day after the Hughes’ blow-out defeat, when the Yanks were struggling (Alex had just returned). A great first impression and he has done nothing to disappoint since.

  630. Jenny April 16th, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    If the rain doesn’t let up, do they call it a complete game or do they reschedule to play the remaining innings?

  631. Erin April 16th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    Nick in SF April 16th, 2010 at 8:09 pm
    Andres should be ashamed of himself trying to pull off the Cano-ninja-hat look in April!

    *******************************
    I agree!! Robbie’s the only one who can pull of that look :)

  632. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    # Jenny April 16th, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    If the rain doesn’t let up, do they call it a complete game or do they reschedule to play the remaining innings?

    The game is official after you play the top of the 5th.

  633. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy April 16th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    Man this sucks. Was really fun watching CC pitch tonight and he was being so economical but looks like his night will be cut short.

  634. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    GB, it was definitely Brackman that had an appendectomy?

  635. stuckey April 16th, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    “Stuckey, they would look at it as if CC is the one who decided to opt out and let him go.”

    I don’t see the connection between the two things – that they’d let him go BECAUSE he opted out.

    That’s where people are tripping themselves up.

    Forget the circumstances that came before the question at hand. He’d at that time be by far, the best starting pitcher on the market, perhaps in and for several years, and the Yankees would have the task of replacing one of the best lefthanders in the game at the top of their rotation.

    Who would be the best replacement for CC Sabathia?

    CC Sabathia.

  636. djsunyc April 16th, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    this is kinda scary how good we look this early in the season.

  637. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
    GB, that stinks. Wow, Gator won 20 games 3 times? He didn’t start until he was 26? He must have been something..

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Martin tried to trade him to the white sox in ;77. Martin forgot that he didn’t have trade authority. Gene Michael and Al Rosen talked Gabe Paul out of the trade. Bob Lemon was offering a Low A pitcher.

  638. Erin April 16th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    trisha – OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    I think he is seriously awesome.

    ********************
    re: Cervelli: I do too :)

  639. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 11 April 16th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    “The game is official after you play the top of the 5th.”

    —————

    just to be clear, that is only if the home team is winning (which they are in this case)

    otherwise, it’s official after the 5th is over.

  640. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Stuckey, Cashman did not want to re-sign Alex if Alex opted out……..why would he feel differently about CC?

  641. RS April 16th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Watching the Mets game now. Is it just me, or do the Mets only seem to score when the other team makes errors?

  642. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    “You’re devotion to Brett Gardner is noteworthy, however do not let that cloud your vision”

    Perhaps you should actually read my posts. In all of my posts prior to the game I was contending that Randy Winn should start, not Brett Gardner.

  643. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    I guess Martin thought he was GM in addition to being manager, lol.

  644. CB April 16th, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    GB7,

    Of course. Arguing about who is the best is one of the great parts of being a fan of the game.

    Ultimately, when you’re picking between Gator and CC there really is no wrong answer or “loser.”

    The really tough thing about Gator is as you brought up the way he was handled when he was young.

    It’s just awful he never got his shot until he was 26.

    By the time CC was 26 he’d thrown close to 1000 innings.

  645. CR9 April 16th, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    Wow. Leave it to Grant Ball Four to make Papi look good.

  646. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    Pukey was just thrown out at home!!!!

    :D

  647. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    Baseball is the greatest sport in part because you can have these arguments…..

  648. CB April 16th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    The Rays middle relief is just so bad.

    I don’t undestand why Jeremy Hellickson is in the minors. They should stick him in the rotation and put Davis in the pen for this year.

  649. CR9 April 16th, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    Great tag and block of home plate by Navi on the Pukey throw out at home!

  650. Corey April 16th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    I would have liked to have seen CC get about 15 ks tonight. That is where he was headed.

  651. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....-1.1866669

    Robinson Cano hasn’t made any major changes to his hitting stroke. Physically, he hasn’t done much more than work hard in the batting cage with Yankees hitting coach Kevin Long.

    But mentally, the 27-year-old seems like a different hitter this season. There’s a confidence and maturity that make it seem as if Cano – who entered Friday night’s game with a .395 average, four doubles, four home runs, nine RBIs, an .816 slugging percentage and six multi-hit games in the nine the Yankees have played – has turned a corner that many had hoped he’d turn in seasons past.

    Even Cano himself was hoping for that.

    “Of course. I would have liked to have done it my first year,” Cano said Friday night. “But this kind of thing you only learn [over] time. Not everybody can do it right away.”

    His new approach to hitting has been to simply “swing at more strikes,” he said. It seems like an obvious thing, even to Cano now, but it took until spring training, when Long convinced him to not just try it out in exhibition games.

    Cano has always been capable of putting a tough pitch in play, but that’s not necessarily always a good thing. “If it’s not a pitch you like, just take it,” Cano said Long told him. “The way I was before, swinging at everything, the pitcher’s never going to throw you anything you can hit.

    “Even if I strike out, it’s OK. The one thing for me is, I’ve never been afraid to fail.”

    The career .308 hitter has had some major failures, especially with runners in scoring position; he hit .207 (38-for-184) in those situations last season and entered Friday night’s game at .256 in his career. (Cano was at 3-for-12 with five RBIs with RISP this year.)

    Hitting fifth behind Derek Jeter, Nick Johnson, Mark Teixeira and Alex Rodriguez would allow anyone to hit with runners on base a high percentage of the time.

    “These kinds of things are like luck – sometimes you hit a blooper with the bases loaded and it falls in, sometimes you hit it hard right at somebody,” he said. “I always like to hit with men on base. You fail, you go back and be positive. That’s what I’m going to do.”

    It’s not always what Cano did, though. His attitude seemed more indifferent than unaffected or cool. But in addition to a sharper approach to hitting, much has been made of a spring training chat he had with Rodriguez, who helped remind Cano what being a serious hitter is all about.

    “Part of it is just maturing as a player,” Joe Girardi said. “Understanding that every year, you take what you know and try to make yourself a better player. He’s matured a lot over the last couple years, and we’re seeing that.”

    The lefthanded-hitting Cano has always had the talent to succeed in his six seasons with the Yankees. He hit .342 and made the All-Star team in 2006, his second season, and has had similar success against lefthanders (.800 OPS) and righthanders (.833). He has always known what it took. It just took some time for it to sink in.

    “When you’re hitting good, you always feel good mentally at the plate,” he said. “Right now, I’m just working hard and keeping the same approach at the plate, swinging at more strikes. He [Long] doesn’t need to tell me. I know what it is.”

  652. RS April 16th, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    “this is kinda scary how good we look this early in the season.”

    It will be even scarier when Tex stops hitting like Jose Molina and Arod gets some HRs under his belt.

  653. Jenny April 16th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    BD (Boston Dave) – NJ walk tracker = 11 April 16th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    just to be clear, that is only if the home team is winning (which they are in this case)
    —————————————————-
    so if 6 full innings were in the books but the away team was in the lead, the game couldn’t be finalized? what’s the rationale behind that?

  654. stuckey April 16th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    “Stuckey, Cashman did not want to re-sign Alex if Alex opted out……..why would he feel differently about CC?”

    1.) As great as Alex Rodriquez is, he’s not a dominant lefthander starting pitcher.

    2.) A-Rod, as great as he is, did come with some serious baggage at the time (not the PED thing of course, that came after).

    3.) A-Rod’s deal was already VASTLY overmarket.

    Now, I played fairly :-) , other than the assumption Cashman wouldn’t like it (which is a dubious assumption, Cashman gave Sabathia his clause, he didn’t give A-Rod his) and therefore would let him go (which smells to be somewhat of cutting off your nose to spite your face), can you think of any good reason why he wouldn’t resign him?

    I think this is the case that people don’t like the idea of it, so they’re crafting a backstory to help convince them it’s not possible.

    But I think that’s overthinking it. Think of it if Sabathia suffered a career ending injury and the next offseason, a FA lefthanded pitcher of the quality and age of CC Sabathia hit the market.

    You don’t think the Yankees would pursue him?

    I do.

  655. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    Venditte for the 3 inning save

    Venditte pitching left handed single

    pitching left handed liner to venditte, knocked it down and got the runner at 2nd.

    Pitching left handed walk

    pitching right handed passed ball by Abeita….walk, bases loaded

    venditte gets pulled.

  656. Dan April 16th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    CC will turn 30 in July, he was 28 when we signed him

  657. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy April 16th, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Root against the Sox.

    Their front 3 is scary in a 7 game series and bad things happen in Fenway. The Rays do not have that one dominating starter right now that can basically win a series on his own like CC or Lester and the Yankees can easily take advantage of their bullpen.

  658. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Pat M the thing that really struck me about Wilson last year was that he had the ability to throw strikes pretty effortlessly. I can see the comparison to Andy. CJ typically can control his pitches. He was a little off tonight, as happens to all pitchers. But he isdefinitely going to be something special once he gets his starting pitcher legs firmly under him.

    The Rangers starting pitching is the best I have seen it in a real long time. And their offense isn’t too shoddy either.

  659. DYD INDA WUL April 16th, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Grant Balfour. What an unfortunate name for a pitcher.

  660. igotid88 April 16th, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    I wanna see Alex hit one out already. It’s killing me.

  661. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    I would never have to be told to root against the Sux. But I guess that goes without saying.

    :)

  662. CR9 April 16th, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Nice pitching by Ball Four to get out of that.

    But Staats did not seem all too excited by the SO to end the inning. Hmmmm….

  663. CR9 April 16th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    trisha

    Dont know if you saw my message earlier…

    Sorry that your dream has been put on hold.

    Is your fantasy team doing any better?

  664. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy April 16th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Alex cost the Yankees close to $30 million by opting out. One of the most attractive things about the A-Rod trade is that the Yankees were only paying him about $17 million a year.

    His opt-out and CC’s opt-out are not comparable situations.

  665. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    CB April 16th, 2010 at 9:17 pm
    GB7,

    Of course. Arguing about who is the best is one of the great parts of being a fan of the game.

    Ultimately, when you’re picking between Gator and CC there really is no wrong answer or “loser.”

    The really tough thing about Gator is as you brought up the way he was handled when he was young.

    It’s just awful he never got his shot until he was 26.

    By the time CC was 26 he’d thrown close to 1000 innings.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    When sparky Lyle talk him that slider in a 10 minute session in ST, that was the saddest day of the 70s and 80s for hitters. It turned guidry into a smaller version of Steve Carlton.

  666. Yanks 22 April 16th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    A-Rod loved his teammates and had a pent house in Central Park and already had the largest contract ever as well… why did he opt out?

    It would be strictly a business decision if CC opts out. The small-market Brewers offered him $120 mil, the Angels offered $150… the money was there for him last winter and he’ll only be 31 when he hits the market.

  667. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    If anyone is watching the Sux game over Extra Innings, that very loud voice you just heard at fever pitch (the commercial) is Don Orsillo. That’s how he calls just about every play during the game. Muy annoying.

  668. DYD INDA WUL April 16th, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Going against his very nature to strike Hermida out.

  669. Joe from Long Island April 16th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    1. If you want an interesting read, try “October Men” by Roger Kahn. It’s focus is the 1978 team and it’s comeback against the Sox, but Kahn spends some time reviewing Billy Martin’s history with the team. I’ve read a few of Kahn’s books, and he doesn’t strike me as a hatchet-man, so I’m inclined to believe his take. Billy does not come off well. Once he had his mind made up, that was it. I don’t know what Guidry did to him, but he didn’t care a lick for him. That is, until Gator started winning. Not even Martin was that dense.

    2. CB – I know your thoughts about Hellickson. Why put him in the rotation ahead of Wade Davis?

  670. DYD INDA WUL April 16th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    Very fastidioso.

  671. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    It’s way too early for me to root against any team; I didn’t even know the Sox and Rays were playing. The Yankees just have to take care of themselves..there’s no point in worrying about another team.

    Stuckey, maybe. We’ll see; I don’t think CC is going to opt out anyway, so this is very likely all moot.

  672. stuckey April 16th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    “A-Rod loved his teammates and had a pent house in Central Park and already had the largest contract ever as well… why did he opt out?”

    In retrospect, because he was very, very smart, and so was his agent.

  673. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    CR9, I didn’t see your message. Thank you for that kindness. I’m trying to come up with some creative ways to still help out there. I will definitely let you know any updates.

    :)

    Oddly enough my fantasy team is raking tonight! That’s why I asked Fran if it was a full moon!!

  674. RS April 16th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    You guys are right about the Red Sox. I AM rooting against them. It’s just a little more bitterweet than usual because I know how good the Rays can be.

    As long as the Yankees take care of business and win the division, I’m not going to worry about TB because I think we can handle them in the playoffs.

  675. timo April 16th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Alex’s opt-out was different because the Yanks’ were benefiting from an arrangement whereby Texas was paying part of his salary and the opt-out would void that. So Cashman had to talk tough to defend the Yankees’ interests. But he always wanted to re-sign Alex.

  676. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    Bets, as you know I would root against the Sux if they were playing the local CVS team. Mine never has to do with worry about them. It’s an automatic part of my birthright as a Yankee fan living in RI.

    :)

  677. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    Another pitcher that got a late start in his career was Warren Spahn. Pitched in 4 games at the age of 21, went to war, became a hero during the Battle Of The Bulge and won his first game at age of 25. 13 seasons of 20 wins or more and 363 wins later, he’s got an award named after him.

  678. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    Betsy, During the winter there was some conversation here about this being the season that Robinson Cano finally breaks out, and makes some noise as an MVP candidate…..Something like .335, 30 hr’s 100 rbi’s , 40 doubles and Gold Glove 2nd base…..These numbers are most definitely in his range

  679. Jamie April 16th, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    I remember “Rain Out Theatre” when the Scooter would send us to see Cary Grant movies.

  680. Joe from Long Island April 16th, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    As far as I’m concerned, let it rain itself out tonight, call the game a Yankees’ win, and let it stay dry (and warm, please) for tomorrow – it’s my first game of the season.

  681. stuckey April 16th, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    Chase Utley seems to be taking Pedroia and Cano’s hot starts personally.

  682. CB April 16th, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    “It turned guidry into a smaller version of Steve Carlton.”

    That’s a great comparison. Kind of funny to think about. Their body types were just so different.

    I saw the tail end of Carlton’s career. What a great slider. Probably the best slider I’ve seen – him or Randy Johnson’s. Carlton’s was better I think even when I saw him – just had better tilt though it wasn’t thrown as hard.

  683. RS April 16th, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    Roy Halladay- 8 ip, 2 ER, 0 BB, 100 pitches. Just another day at the ballpark, lol.

  684. Harper M April 16th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    CC might love NY, but how do we know he doesn’t love San Fran (his home) or LA even more? He’s already won his championship here and got at least $70 mil from this contract. Perhaps he wants to try something new in 3 years. Maybe his wife prefers to live back home.

    I don’t think money would be the sole factor in him opting out.

  685. Noreaster April 16th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    Beckett is dealing tonight. I always root against the Sox first. If the best day of the year is when the Yankees win a world series, the second best day is when the sox get knocked out of the playoffs.

  686. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    # RS April 16th, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    Roy Halladay- 8 ip, 2 ER, 0 BB, 100 pitches. Just another day at the ballpark, lol.

    Hes done for today. Hes a beast. Don’t know why they let him go 8th with all that offense. I would save him for the playoffs because they only have 1 starter atm.

  687. blake April 16th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    “Roy Halladay- 8 ip, 2 ER, 0 BB, 100 pitches. Just another day at the ballpark, lol.”

    he may go 34-0 this year.

  688. 7*7 April 16th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Ken Rosenthal

    Sources: #Orioles owner Angelos declines to hire Cal Ripken Jr. in baseball capacity. #MLB 15 minutes ago

  689. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Notice that Varitek has caught Beckett the last two times out and both times Beckett has had very good outings. I am betting that the Victor Martinez experiment is over when it comes to catching Beckett.

  690. Noreaster April 16th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    As for CC, nobody is coming up with this contract. He’ll stay because this is the place where he will make the most money (by far).

  691. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    I’m listening to Orel Hershiser on with Kay (earlier) and he made an interesting poing about Phil (and later, Joba). He said he saw Phil in bits and pieces last night, but from what he could tell, he thought if Phil had continued to be aggressive (like he was in the pen last year), he would have finished hitters off. He said that Phil, with the starter’s mentality, probably (like most starters) figured that he had something of a cushion as he’d be facing multiple hitters for multiple innings. Therefore, he was trying to live on the black instead of being aggressive (later in the counts).

  692. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    Joe from Long Island, when The Catfish was sidelined in mid 1977, Guidry was forced into the rotation and won 16 games and did well in October…….Kahn is an outstanding baseball writer and that particular book is an great read

  693. CB April 16th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    Joe,

    Part of why I think Hellickson might be better in the rotation with Davis in the pen has to do with Davis.

    He really is a two pitch guy. And even his curve ball can be inconsistent.

    Hellickson doesn’t throw as hard but has good command to 3 pitches, with a good change.

    It’s harder to start so maybe it makes more sense for them to not disturb things and put Hellickson in the pen.

    I just get the sense Davis’s stuff would play up out of the pen where as Hellickson’s might be better suited for the rotation.

    But it could go either way.

    The main thing would be to minimize the need for Grant Balfour.

  694. pat April 16th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    The way teams are cutting payroll now, CC’s current deal is likely not attainable elsewhere. You’re stuck with him! :wink:

  695. pat April 16th, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    Mauer is 0 for his last 11 and no one is booing him. Odd.

  696. U-Turn April 16th, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    Call the game already.

    There is a day-game tomorrow, the radar shows rain until around 11:30. We’re leading by 4 runs anyway.

  697. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    “Ken Rosenthal

    Sources: #Orioles owner Angelos declines to hire Cal Ripken Jr. in baseball capacity. #MLB 15 minutes ago”

    Wow. I wonder the reason for that. Peter Angelos better come up with something because this poor O’s team is having a terrible time winning games. 1-8 going into tonight’s game, I’m pretty sure.

  698. blackaccord April 16th, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    “Roy Halladay- 8 ip, 2 ER, 0 BB, 100 pitches. Just another day at the ballpark, lol.

    2 ER in 8 innings… knew this guy would be a bum for philly..he should go 9ip 0 er every start

  699. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    CB, I don’t know where or how Guidry generated that arm speed on such a small frame. Much like Pedro Martinez from the right side. Three great pitchers. I’m not going to get into Koufax. For 6 years, he just wasn’t human.

    Sabathia could very easily win 300 if he stays healthy, and that’s probably the main reason he stays in NYY. This offense and supporting pitching staff. He’s the ace, but, he’s got a lot of kings backing his play.

  700. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Continuing, he said he thought that Joba was like a bull in a china shop whereas Phil is like a deer, who can run fast for awhile, then turn and stop on a dime. His point was that he doesn’t think Joba has sufficient finess to succeed as a starter, that he can throw 2 pitches extremely well, but not more than that.

  701. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    “Mauer is 0 for his last 11 and no one is booing him. Odd.”

    Except perhaps for his fantasy owners.

    ;)

  702. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy April 16th, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Big market teams have not been cutting payroll. Most have actually increased their payroll.

  703. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 16th, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    Trisha,

    maybe your team is doing well tonight because Erica is not here to put a hex on your team ;)

  704. CB April 16th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    “Roy Halladay- 8 ip, 2 ER, 0 BB, 100 pitches. Just another day at the ballpark, lol.”

    The amazing thing about his line is that the most surprising part of it is that he actually gave up 2 runs.

    Wait until he faces the Marlins in that monstrous park in Miami.

  705. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Pat M, I always thought Cano had the ability – I’m just thrilled for him. He’s worked very hard and he deserves the success that he’s having; I hope he can keep it up.

    Trish, I hate the Sox – I don’t mean to imply that I root for them. I just mean that I don’t scoreboard watch. Beckett’s a very good pitcher – nothing he’s doing tonight surprises me.

  706. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Is Halladay even human? Thanks for showing him the cutter, Mo, lol

  707. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Joe In LI, Martin called Guidry gutless…to his face, because he gave up a hit in a late inning game that cost the team a win the previous September. Martin never got those he thought were gutless.

  708. Noreaster April 16th, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    GB7, That ’78 season was the best I’ve ever seen a pitcher have. When you take into account that Guidry won number 25 in the 163rd game of the season, plus winning the world series. It was something else.

    Wasn’t that the year that Yankee fans started the clapping with 2 strikes?

  709. JAP April 16th, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    Can anyone believe that Papi Ortiz is a thief? I can’t believe he targeted a Yankees fan and stole his idea. Sad, sad human being. He’s reverted back to the Minnesota Twins “David (little papi) Arias”

  710. CB April 16th, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    Halladay didn’t learn his cutter from Mo.

    Halladay learned it from from Mel Queen when the Jays sent him to A ball to rework everything about him.

    All they were trying to do was to get him to a place where they could trade him.

    He’s a machine.

  711. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    “Beckett is dealing tonight. I always root against the Sox first. If the best day of the year is when the Yankees win a world series, the second best day is when the sox get knocked out of the playoffs.”

    OH YEAH!

    :D

  712. Kenneth April 16th, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    Cash would replace CC with who, exactly…. Zach McAllister?

    In 2011, we would then have a 35 yr old Burnett, Hughes, and who?

    Vazquez (if he re-signs) would be 36 during the 2012 season.

    Lee would be 34 (if we sign him)

    Andy will likely be long gone

    CC ain’t letting Casman walk.

  713. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Just have a feeling that the Rays are going to tatoo Oki.

  714. Corey April 16th, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Any word?

  715. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    CB, I thought Mo showed Doc the cutter at the All Star game in NY…….oops. I guess Mo was just showing him his grip. Well, they’re both machines – absolutely ridiculous.

  716. Noreaster April 16th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    “CC ain?t letting Casman walk.” Or the other way around…

  717. jim April 16th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    Hey Josh What are the odds that this game will get played tonite?

  718. Josh Thomson April 16th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    Corey… On the game? No, not yet.

  719. blake April 16th, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    Theres an article in last weeks SI about Halladay. Pretty interesting, talks about when he got sent down to A ball and how he nearly gave up the game but his wife bought him a copy of the “Mental ABC’s of pitching ” by Harvey Dorfman and that helped turn him around…

  720. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    Fran, either that or the debil made them do it.

    :lol:

    Betsy, I definitely understand what you mean. They’re the only team I actively root against and it’s only because of the Hadfield McCoy relationship I learned as a kid. But around here, the reverse hatr

  721. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    Fran, either that or the debil made them do it.

    :lol:

    Betsy, I definitely understand what you mean. They’re the only team I actively root against and it’s only because of the Hadfield McCoy relationship I learned as a kid. But around here, the reverse hatr

  722. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    Fran, either that or the debil made them do it.

    :lol:

    Betsy, I definitely understand what you mean. They’re the only team I actively root against and it’s only because of the Hadfield McCoy relationship I learned as a kid. But around here, the reverse hatr

  723. Joe from Long Island April 16th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    Heck, Guidry, when he played, was 165 pounds, and stood 5-10″ – That’s my dimensions. And yet, there’s no way I could generate the velocity that he could. Just amazing. An amazing athlete and major league pitcher.

  724. JAP April 16th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    Jim,

    That’s a question to be asking SJ – he has the cell phone of Joe G. who already gave him an update from the grounds crew. He’s on the phone with the weather man right now. Give him a few!

  725. Corey April 16th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    Yes, ok thanks

  726. stuckey April 16th, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    Forget who wins the Sox/Rays game. Let’s all just hope they go 15 or 16 or something.

  727. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    Noreaster, that doesn’t even count the 3 early season wins that Gossage blew for Guidry.

    He lost 3 games that year…all to guys named Mike. Caldwell of Milwaukee, Flannigan of Baltimore and willis of Toronto.

    The Baltimore loss was a 2-1 loss on a 2 run homer to the one guy he couldn’t get out, Doug Decinnces in the 7th inning

  728. Yeah April 16th, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    Nick Johnson has now been caught 24 times in his career. Versus 27 steals. Dude should NEVER get a green light.

  729. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    Blake, AJ has that book in his locker and he reads it all the time. I read an article on Doc last year that said he completely remade his whole personality. He’s a pretty quiet, intense guy now, but he wasn’t always that way. I think he must have decided that in order for him to have success, he was going to have to change himself completely – rid himself of that sort of happy-go-lucky persona.

  730. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy April 16th, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    I do not think a lot of Yankee fans realize how good Bernie was in his prime. He may have been the MVP of the dynasty years.

  731. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    AJ has that book because of Doc……..who recommended it to him

  732. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    But around here the reverse hatred is mutual. During the world series I went to the local Home Depot for something and when I came out, someone had keyed the entire side of my car. Why? Because I have a Yankee license plate holder. That’s how much venom the other side feels. From what I’ve heard there’s kind of the same thing that goes on between Mets fans and Yankee fans. I on the other hand have no feelings one way or the other about the Mets.

  733. Corey April 16th, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    Guidry or Pedro, who is the better Pitcher?

  734. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 16th, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    Trisha,

    LOL

  735. Y 27 April 16th, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    Angels pen imploding again

    Angels were up 7-1 going to the bottom of the 8th, now are only up 7-5 as Rodney tries to close it out.

  736. Yeah April 16th, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    No way CC comes back out now, right? Too bad. Hope we can get this win for him.

  737. CB April 16th, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    I thought Verducci probably over did that whole ABC’s of pitching book aspect of the story.

    They changed his arm slot and he was able to do that. He put the physical work in to make that change stick. Once he did his ball just started to dance.

    He always had a great arm. He just learned how to use it in a completely different way.

    Very difficult to do both physically and mentally. But I thought Verducci oversold the confidence/ mental make up part of the story and undersold the physical adjustment in his pitching mechanics and technical adjustments. I would have liked him to focus more on that aspect of Halladay, though that might just be where my own personal interest lies.

  738. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....a_tbyafa_1

    The Tampa yanks box score

  739. blake April 16th, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    Betsy,

    A guy I played with in High School knows the guy who wrote that book (Harvey Dorfman). I was going through a spell in college where I was pretty frustrated with the game and he told him about it and the guy called me up to talk about it out of the blue. He talked to me for like an hour and really gave me some good advice….I thought that was kinda neat for a guy like that to call a college kid he’d never heard of to try and help him out.

  740. Tim April 16th, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    Want to know a good baseball book that every Yankee fan should read?

    “The Yankee Years”. A fantastic book.

  741. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 16th, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    GB,

    Didn’t the Yankee Stadium crowd cheering for the strikeout after 2 strikes on a batter start the night that Guidry struck out 18? I thought I heard that.

  742. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 11 April 16th, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    why do I not want to see Randy Choate throwing to the middle of the Sox order right now?

    :(

  743. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    Poor Randy Choate. The good thing is that Maddon keeps trotting him out there. Hopefully he gets it right tonight. If he was spooked at this point who could blame him.

  744. teddy gbu April 16th, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    nick johnson was safe just like matsui in yesterday game

  745. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    Well good for him. He went in to get one batter and he got it done.

  746. Joe from Long Island April 16th, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    GB – Martin was something else. He appealed to a lot of blue-collar people, but he had a lot of personal problems. Some medical professionals felt he had what is known as a borderline personality disorder – where one has a pathologic problem in interpersonal relationships, paranoia, inability to be truthful…Which alternated with an almost sorrowful figure. And Billy complicated it by drinking whenever he was stressed, which was often. The waste was that he was a good baseball tactician. Except in managing pitchers.

    Just a very complicated figure. It is very ironic that he died the way he did.

  747. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    The Charleston box score, loss 5-2. The good news is that young Juse Ramirez pitched wekk, striking out 9 in 5 innings.

    Murton homers and catcher Kyle Higashioka homers for the 2nd straight night.

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....x_augafx_1

  748. pat April 16th, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    Josh
    Channel 11 used to show The Odd Couple during rain delays which is better than anything Channel 9 shows now.

  749. Noreaster April 16th, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    If Guidry took what Pedro took, it would have been Gator. Pedro was better longer than Gator.

  750. blake April 16th, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    CB, yea I wasn’t implying that the book was the main factor in turning him around. I’m sure the arm slot change and actual baseball instruction made the biggest difference….that and committing to work as hard as he does.

  751. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    Blake, wow – that’s cool; Mr. Dorfman sounds like a wonderful guy.

  752. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    BD, he did what they needed him to do. Dan Wheeler knows how to pitch so he should be able to hold them there. If the Rays can get any runs and Rafaele Soriano comes in, it should be the Rays game.

  753. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    yeah, fran. That’s where it all started in a June ’78 game against the Angels.

  754. CB April 16th, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    Jose Ramirez is very, very good. He could move through the system very quickly.

    After Montero, he might be their best prospect.

  755. Joe from Long Island April 16th, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    Fran, I heard the same story.

  756. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy April 16th, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    CB,

    Have you seen Ramirez or are you going from what you have heard or read in scouting reports?

  757. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    Got to love the Phillies pen

  758. Encinitan April 16th, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    Choate got one out for the Rays in the 8th. The Rays smartly took him out after his glorious accomplishment.

  759. CR9 April 16th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    Does anyone remember a game in which Pedro gave up a hit or some baserunner to begin the game, and then retired the next 27 batters in a row?

    I was told of a game like this, but do not remember it.

  760. CB April 16th, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    LGY,

    Just going from what I’ve read.

    There are some tools that will enable a pitcher to move extremely quickly in the minors.

    A good change up is one of them – and Ramirez has a very good change up. Minor league hitters really struggle with plus change ups. Couple that to low to mid-90′s heat and good command…

    That’s not a guy low minor leaguers are going to hit as long as he stays healthy.

    He is a very good prospect.

  761. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    Roy halladay is shaking right now

  762. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    CR, yes, I remember that game……but I don’t remember who it was against; maybe the Indians?

  763. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    Joe, Martin was a great in game tactician, but he destroyed some great pitching staffs. He kept Art Fowler around because Fowler could out drink Martin and still drive. He was no pitching coach. It was Martin that pretty much trashed Catfish Hunter’s career and had he stayed would have ruined Guidry like he did with Figueroa.

    Martin outplayed his talent as a player, but, he couldn’t control himself. He was interesting to watch, though.

  764. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy April 16th, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    Thanks CB. What other pitches does he throw if you don’t mind sharing more info?

    The only thing I have heard about him is that he is going to make a lot of Yankee fans forget Arodys Vizcaino’s name.

  765. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    Roy Halladay is 2 runs away from a no decision. 2 outs though.

  766. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    I’m hoping to get to see Ramirez first start here in Savannah. along with Higashioka and that big bat of Medchill’s.

  767. blake April 16th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    They should have just left Roy in…I’m pretty sure he could have closed it out with a 6 run cushion even if he were on fumes.

  768. pat April 16th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    Krazy Kyle still as much of an adventure as ever.

  769. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    Ramirez is about 8 months older than Vizcaino.

  770. Jim The VT Yankeefan April 16th, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    Oliver Perez is pitching a heck of a game for the Mets tonight.

  771. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 16th, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    Jo-Ram’s curve has been his iffy pitch but apparently he threw a very good one in his last outing.

    I’m going to see him either at Lakewood in May, or if he doesn’t pitch there, I’m traveling to Delaware to see him.

  772. Left Coast April 16th, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    Jo-Ram is why no one should cry about losing Vizcaino…

    That Jose? Cabrera kid is also supposed to be the goods… so we have more than replaced Vizcaino…

  773. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    If we’re going to put reservations on Vizcaino (because he’s years away, he was in the short league, etc…), then don’t we have to do the same for Ramirez?

  774. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    If I can get some videos of Ramirez downloaded when they come to town, I’ll try sending them.

  775. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    I take that back. He won’t win 30 because of his BP. I think 25 sounds great.

  776. Pel April 16th, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    Game has been called.

  777. pat April 16th, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    Start spreading the news…. The Yankes win! Postgame on YES

  778. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    GB, by summers end, most everyone here at The LoHud will know of Higgy, after they keep reading your great updates…..One of my favorite aspects to this site, is your Minor Ball reports……Great stuff…….

  779. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 16th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    Glad they didn’t wait too long to call it.

  780. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    I wish they would just cancel the game…

  781. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    LOL yay! Well, not so “yay”. I hate to see any team get screwed out of a few innings, but what can you do?

  782. CB April 16th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    LGY,

    Ramirez is still pretty much a two pitch pitcher right now which is his major limitation. He’s pretty much a fastball change up guy right now. His curve ball is on the loose, slurvy side.

    But to have a young kid with the makings of two plus pitches like that is very promising.

    And this might just be my own personal bias but the combination of a plus fastball with plus change up might be the single best two pitch combination for a pitcher to have. It’s a devastating combination.

    Minor league hitters are going to have an awful time with that two pitch combination. In a certain sense, his minor league stats may get out ahead of his stuff, thought that’s just speculation on my part.

  783. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 16th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    Left Coast,

    Given the odds against these kids, you need as many young high-end arms in the system as possible.

  784. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    Good. Once this Sux game is over I’m going to watch me some nonbaseball telly for a while!

    :)

  785. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Betsy, Ramirez is at full season Charleston. The only expectations are those that they have of all rookies. Obvioiusly, there’s no way of knowing what will happen even in his next game, but, just on the reports, he’s as impressive as Banuelos is, maybe more. Banuelos has the advantage of being that young, that talented and that left handed.

  786. CB April 16th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    “If I can get some videos of Ramirez downloaded when they come to town, I’ll try sending them.”

    GB7,

    Please give us a scouting report on Ramirez when you get a chance to see him. Video would be great!

    He’s very promising.

  787. CR9 April 16th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    WoooHoooo

    A complete game for CC!!!

  788. m April 16th, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    Just checked in and saw that we won a rain-shortened game. Feels like someone’s getting cheated in rain-shortened games, but no complaints today. :P

    What’s with Varitek? How many hits does he have and have they all been HR?

  789. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    2-0 CC atta boy

  790. Joe from Long Island April 16th, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    FB with command, couple with a plus change up – what’s not to like? He can go very far with that. If he can get a serviceable third pitch, look out.

  791. Rob B April 16th, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    Glad they called this game. Texas wasn’t going to come back, and with the wet field it would have been an accident waiting to happen to send the fielders back out there.

    If the game were closer, you wouldn’t want it called. But in this case, no reason to continue.

  792. CR9 April 16th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    A fairly called game from the HP umpire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    A call here or there, but other than that, EXCELLENT!!

    I hope we get this HP umpire again.

  793. Ross April 16th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    S.o.S. April 16th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
    I say if the left fielders cant cut it after by mid may. I say lets replicate the Aggies 12th man and go with a 9th man for 2010. If the Yankees are in

    Oakland-Nick plays left field
    Anaheim-Put me in coach
    Boston-Boston Dave
    Somewhere in the south-GB7
    Home games-Whos hand is raised?

    (Please add you name in the city you see fit)

    Can I platoon with Boston Dave, please? (Although I would have to use one of my wicketkeeping gloves, instead!)

  794. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    I’ve been thinking that our bullpen is the most well-stocked I remember in a long time. That includes when we had Brujo, Nelli and Stanton. The reason is that those guys were our mainstays – and then Mo – so that’s all you really needed. This go round we have almost an embarrassment of riches. We have several guys who could spot start, several who can do long relief, several who are later inning transition guys. And they’re all excellent. I’m almost wondering if any of the guys will end up growing roots just because there are so many options. Knowing Girardi that won’t be allowed to happen.

  795. Joe from Long Island April 16th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    Well, looks like Mother Nature makes sure CC doesn’t get overused here tonight, and limits his innings. Works for me. Now, just keep it dry for tomorrow. And a little warmer would help, too.

  796. CR9 April 16th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    m

    Yes. 3 hits, all Home runs.

  797. jz166 April 16th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    Joe Torre’s ‘The Yankee Years’?

    are you kidding me? he should have been fired right after 2004 on site.

  798. m April 16th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    What’s the forecast for tomorrow?

  799. teddy gbu April 16th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    does cc get complete game

  800. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    yep

  801. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    Pat M., he was 1 for 2 in catching runners with a throwing error, but, I’m excited to see Higashioka and compare him to Romine. I assume that he has decent foot speed because they’re batting him 2nd….pretty rare for a young catcher. What’s impressive is the size of those parks for such young players. His average is down, but, showing power….always a plus for a catcher.

  802. jz166 April 16th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    Definitely they should let Torre go after 2005 season. He’s clearly done at that point.
    Not to mention Proctor’s arm.

    I don’t wanna see him appear on any of Yankee’s old timer day.

  803. m April 16th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    CR9,

    Thanks. I knew he had 3 HR, and a feeling…

  804. CB April 16th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    It was a short game but CC really earned this victory.

    He kept the pace of this game moving very fast as he just pounded the zone. He threw 80% of his pitches tonight for strikes. And that was with a wet ball. And his strike percentage was even higher through the first 4 innings.

    With another pitcher throwing this game might not have made it through a complete game.

    Nice win. Now all they need is to split one of the next two to take the series.

  805. CR9 April 16th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    Tarp is on at Fenway Field.

  806. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Quiz answer is Martin and showalter.

    Manager of NYY and texas

  807. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Seriously. Bottom of the 9th remains to be played.

    :)

  808. Joe from Long Island April 16th, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Looks like the Mets are trying to lose another one.

    Jerry Manuel deserves an award for professionalism.

  809. Jeremy April 16th, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Mets are in trouble.

  810. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 11 April 16th, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Boston and Tampa are 1-1 after 8 1/2

    and now it’s a rain delay

    could be a while

    lucky they have a night game tomorrow

  811. Jeremy April 16th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Grandslam !

  812. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Poor Mets

  813. Jeremy April 16th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Wow the Mets are bad !

  814. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 16th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    mel,

    expecting on and off rain here all weekend. Temps in the 50′s.

  815. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    CB, I sure will. I’ve got to learn how to link the videos once I download them. I should have fun sending pictures of my thumb.

  816. Rob B April 16th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    Just looking at the box score for the TB vs BOS game. So, TB has had 4 hits and 2 walks for 6 baserunners…and stole 4 bases.

    Why didn’t the Yankees run more on Boston? Why?

  817. Jeremy April 16th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    Too bad. The Mets actually got good pitching from Oliver Perez and they blew it.

  818. CB April 16th, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    Valdes throws the ball awfully. So many left handed pitcher really just throw the ball so badly. It’s just ugly to watch.

    He’s just pushing the ball up to the plate.

  819. m April 16th, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    Varitek maybe wishing he didn’t tie the game? For his efforts, he’s earned a long game behind the plate.

    By my estimation, 7 Rays have reached base. And 4 of them have stolen base. :)

  820. Joe from Long Island April 16th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    So, Jerry is leaving the lefty in to faced Pujols. He must figure the game is lost, why bother.

  821. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    I’ll settle for 152 more short game wins in the regular season.

  822. Jim April 16th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    That is a cheap way to win a game. I kind of don’t want to accept the win. How is it fair that the Rangers don’t get 3 more opportunities to tie the game or win it? Why don’t they wait till 11-11:30 to see if the rain tapers off? Why not suspend the game and resume it tomorrow?

    I don’t want to win like this…this is like accepting the Stanley Cap but not allowing the losing team to play the 3rd period…. what fun is that?

    Who are we, the Red Sox? I hope Joe is apologizing to Ron Washington right now and I hope they at least made an attempt to wait longer to re-start the game tomorrow.

  823. Rob B April 16th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    m is right; Rays did have 7 baserunners, not 6.

    I missed the error.

  824. m April 16th, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    Fran,

    Thanks. :|

    Good to have one in the books, though. And both weekend games are afternoon games? Maybe they can wait it out longer?

  825. jz166 April 16th, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    LOL, Mets

  826. CB April 16th, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    GB7,

    If you could learn how to load a musket back in your day, I’m sure you can learn how to upload video!

    Good to see Higashioka hitting for some power.

    But the guy on that team who really is exciting is Ramirez.

    Don’t know what they are going to do with Heathcott and Murphy out of extended spring training but maybe they’ll make it to Charleston this season as well.

  827. Rob B April 16th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    I’m just fine with taking the rain-shortened win. Doesn’t bother me one bit.

  828. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 16th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    Hey Everyone! I spent most of the night cleaning up some GTLU stuff and realized I had made a mistake in the standings. I had Fran (the original) listed as both Fran and Fran (the original), so her totals were off. I fixed it, and Fran (the original) is tied for first with 5 wins. The updated, current and correct standings are:

    Dave F 5
    Erica 5
    Fran (the original) 5
    RL15 5

    Erin 4
    Joe from Long Island 4

    Girardi 3
    NYY626 3
    steveoh 3

    BBFan 2
    Joekuh 2
    RayVT 2
    Roger(live from Amsterdam) 2
    upstate kate 2
    William Buckner 2

    AL Duque 1
    Andrew 1
    benfica356 1
    BFARBS 1
    California 1
    Chuck58 1
    CR9 1
    Dano 1
    David in Cal 1
    Doreen 1
    IDCWYT 1
    JeterJOBACanoFan 1
    JoeyA 1
    Mike_Boston 1
    MTU 1
    rodg12 1
    SAS 1
    teddy gbu 1
    Trevor 1
    UnKnown 1
    YankeeRay 1

  829. m April 16th, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    Rob B,

    I only knew because I remember they scored on an error:

    :)

    D Navarro struck out looking. 0 0
    J Bartlett grounded out to second. 0 0
    C Crawford safe at first on error by shortstop M Scutaro. 0 0
    C Crawford stole second. 0 0
    B Zobrist reached on infield single to shortstop, C Crawford scored. 1 0
    B Zobrist stole second. 1 0
    E Longoria struck out swinging.

  830. Jim The VT Yankeefan April 16th, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    Am I the only one who thinks it seems odd for the Yanks to e in first place in April? It seems like every year they have been getting off to an awful start. Nice to see a good start for a change.

  831. jz166 April 16th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    Mets should be swept

  832. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    GB, Higgy had more power in HS than Austin…….Also I thought he was better sound wise than Austin behind the plate……Austin does have a gun though……

  833. Jeremy April 16th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    Jim
    Calm down! You act like other teams don’t do this. What’s the point since the weather is going to be bad all night. Do you want are players to get hurt ?

  834. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    Hopefully, those whining about Thames not catching Hamilton’s hit to the left field corner saw just how far he had to run. You don’t play left handed pull hitters on the left field line.

  835. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 16th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    Doreen,

    Thanks for the correction :)

  836. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 16th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    The Mets only need to win 1 this weekend according to Omar. They have 2 more chances to win 1.

  837. m April 16th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    Jim,

    As much as I want to be in 1st place alone, I’ll take a Boston loss to a Tampa win.

    Although, if they don’t finish this game out, we might be enjoying the view from the top for a night. :)

  838. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 16th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    CB -

    it almost seems as if CC can do whatever is needed. If that means working fast(er) in order to get a game in before the rain, then it’s that. If it means pitching on 3 days rest, then, that’s it. Whatever the situation calls for, he’s able to be effective.

    I so underrated him before he got here. What a talent. And a good guy, to boot.

  839. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    Pat, that’s what I’m waiting to see. I’d like to compare. He appears to have the ideal catcher’s body, unless they have it wrong…6 foot 1 inch and 190 pounds.

  840. CR9 April 16th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    Jeremy

    Speaking of which, how ridiculous is it that our Grounds Crew did not come out to put drying agents on the mound after CC slipped.

    Next pitch, a HBP.

    This is our franchise pitcher; he could have hurt himself.

  841. teddy gbu April 16th, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    jim, texas was down 5 and 1 and cc was mowing them down with ease.

    the chances them coming back were slim, but they still had a shot

  842. Jeremy April 16th, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    jz166
    The Mets most likely will get swept. Santana doesn’t look that sharp either. Jerry Manuel will be fired by the end of the month. Though that won’t make things better.

  843. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 16th, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    Fran (the original) -

    You’re welcome. :)

  844. pat April 16th, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Girardi needs to come up with new ways to say he’s not concerned about Tex. Interpretive dance perhaps?

  845. Jeremy April 16th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    sorry-our players, lol

  846. Jeremy April 16th, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    CR9
    I thought they would do something about the mound after he fell.

  847. CB April 16th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Doreen,

    That is a very good observation. Some players are very good but are very good because they dominate multiple dimensions.

    CC just has so many tools. It’s really remarkable. I’m not sure if this is the case, but it seems to me that they past two games he’s used his two seam fastball remarkably well. Better than I remember it being last season, though this could be my memory.

    He really does have so many tools out there. It’s amazing. Stuff, command, length, pitchability, baseball intelligense, athleticisim leadership, demeanor… he really is the whole package out there.

  848. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    CB April 16th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
    GB7,

    If you could learn how to load a musket back in your day, I’m sure you can learn how to upload video!

    Good to see Higashioka hitting for some power.

    But the guy on that team who really is exciting is Ramirez.

    Don’t know what they are going to do with Heathcott and Murphy out of extended spring training but maybe they’ll make it to Charleston this season as well.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Didn’t heathcott have knee sirgery this past fall? NYY has so many catchers stacked up at the lower levels, there’s not enough game to play them. They’ve still got Sanchez, Farnham and Abeita, who, at best is a Chad Moeller type, I’d think. Good receiver, though.

  849. m April 16th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Just saw that Dice-K is set to return after another rehab start.

    He’s got to be praying that Dice-K can give him more than Wakefield.

  850. Jeremy April 16th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    Fran (the original) and OPPC member

    When did Omar say this ? LOL ! Figure he would say something stupid.

  851. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    ***surgery*** this past fall?

  852. Rob B April 16th, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    For those questioning the failure to fix the mound after CC slipped:

    I think they have rules about doing things with the field/mound while the home team is pitching. Something about ensuring that the home team doesn’t do any shenanigans that give them an unfair advantage.

  853. Pirate April 16th, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    Dice-K was 18-3… He will be the best #4 in baseball when he gets back, maybe only 2nd to David Price (if Price is even considered the #4 anymore).

  854. m April 16th, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    He=Tito

    Of course it’s too early for standings watching, but it is nice to see the team off to a good start. Just keep winning series.

  855. CB April 16th, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    GB7-

    Heathcott had ACL repair surgery on his knee last year – think it was over the winter and he was rehabbing into his high school season. I think he rushed back some to show he was healthy before the draft.

    That very well might be why he’s still in extended spring training. That’s partly why he didn’t play much in the GCL last year after he signed – they wanted him to rest his knee. ACL surgery is obviously a big deal so they may want to save him from playing a whole season.

  856. jz166 April 16th, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    A-Rod 0
    Tex 0

    I mean homer and hit.

  857. SJ44 April 16th, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    Dice-k will be the best #4 in baseball? Lol

    Sure, whatever you say.

    Gotta love Sox fans.

  858. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    I’ll say one thing about heathcott. That kid can flat out run. When healthy, it may not be fair. He’ll be the next excitement in Charleston.

  859. jz166 April 16th, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    Dice K is nothing but a punk

  860. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    Kim Jones mentioned to CC that both of his last starts have been excellent and Cervelli has caught both of them. She asked if it’s like they can read each other’s minds at this point. He said that he and Cervelli talk to each other all the time, even when he isn’t pitching, and that they have “excellent communication”. He said that’s what causes them to work so well together.

    It’s tough to question the results.

  861. Rob B April 16th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    Kind of interesting that Door-Mat had the exact same WHIP in 2007 and 2008, yet his 2008 ERA was a run and a half better than the previous year. Personally, I think he got really lucky that year. I don’t think we’ll see him going 18-3 again. Especially with the downgrade offense they have now.

  862. jz166 April 16th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    Dice K should be put in 30 days DL this season, twice.

  863. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 16th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    Jeremy,

    I heard Michael Kay ranting about it today on his show. He was saying it was one of the dumbest things Minaya has said. Betsy also posted it earlier.

  864. m April 16th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    Best #4? I think the Sox would settle for Dice to stay healthy.

  865. CB April 16th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    “He’s got to be praying that Dice-K can give him more than Wakefield.”

    Not clear if it’s really Wakefield he’ll be replacing. Could be Buchholz.

    He didn’t pitch well in spring training and his last start was very shaky.

    It’ll be interesting to see how Buchholz does against the Rays. Buchholz was back to really slowing down his pace and getting very fidgety on the mound once runners reached. He gets very distracted with men on base.

  866. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    Right now, Matsuzaka’s trying to beat out Igawa as the best Japanese pitcher in the International League.

  867. CR9 April 16th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    Has anyone heard of Ben Zobrist’s nickname?

    Zorrilla!

    Yuck!

  868. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    I do feel weird winning shortened games, but (a) there’s nothing that can be done and (b) CC was not blowing the game. Hey, the rain saved our pen and saved CC’s arm.

    I almost think the Yankees have flown under the radar because of the Phillies and other teams like the Twins and A’s who have started well.

  869. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    Trish, CC was awesome last year down the stretch and in the playoffs with Jorge behind the plate.

    Dice-K is overrated, but as a #4, he’ll be fine.

  870. teddy gbu April 16th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    curious what did minaya say

  871. Carl April 16th, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    # CR9 April 16th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    Has anyone heard of Ben Zobrist’s nickname?

    Zorrilla!

    Yuck!

    they call Carl Crawford CC. They want to be us so bad :)

  872. Jay April 16th, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    Ever notice that the bad weather is only when we are at home? When we were in Boston and Tampa it was 70+ degrees with sun for the whole week. The forecast for early next week looks nice as well.

    The Mets get all the good weather games at home lol

  873. LGY - Child Prodigy/GB7's Bestest Buddy April 16th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    Gotta feel bad for people that bought tickets for tonights game.

  874. pat April 16th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    LoHudYankees Girardi said this may have been the best he’s seen Sabathia. Cervelli said CC was better tonight than last week. – JT

  875. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 16th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    teddy,

    Minaya said that he would be satisfied winning 1 game in St. Louis.

  876. Joe from Long Island April 16th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    Can somebody help me out here – CB, SJ, randy, anyone –

    I’m watching the rest of the Mets game, they’re down 4-1 in the 8th after the grand slam. We all know they have no real chance to win this. Why is Mejia pitching in this game?

    If starting pitching is the key to the kingdom, which I think we can all agree on, and the Mets are bereft of starting pitching for the forseeable future (what with the state of FA market in the next few years, and their own farm) – what possible good can come of them taking the one starting pitcher prospect they do have and to use him to do mop up work, an inning at a time, instead of building up his arm and learning how to go thru a lineup 3-4 times in AA-AAA?

    I’m lost here.

  877. Encinitan April 16th, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    Have you heard of Ernie Banks famous saying “Let’s play two-thirds”?

  878. teddy gbu April 16th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    thanks, so a 2 and 4 road trip is acceptable, if that would happen

  879. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    Joe, the answer is just that the Mets are clueless. I have no idea how good Mejia would be as a starter – he was having issues in the minors – but it seems they got seduced by his Mo-like cutter (seriously, that’s what Manuel said in ST). Poor kid- being compared to Mo is a comparison that can only bring him heartache.

  880. Rob B April 16th, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    Anybody know why Seattle and Detroit are wearing 42 tonight? Is it because neither team had a game yesterday?

  881. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    Betsy, I don’t remember the stats for each and every start and this doesn’t mean that CC can’t do well with Jorge behind the plate. It probably does mean that he has the potential to have even better results with Cervelli because of their relationship and communication. It seems that Cervelli is trying to get to know exactly what CC likes to thrown in different situations, and he goes with it. Perhaps because Jorge is a more seasoned catcher, he likes to run the show.

    While I think that Jorge and CC work well together, I think that Cervelli and CC work even better together.

    That’s just some observational data. They’re already mentioning that it is unusual for CC to be winning in April because he typically doesn’t. It’s obviously nothing but good for us that he is in synch with both catchers.

  882. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    Joe, I assime that manual is trying go get him comfortable and give him a few innings. he only threw 4 pitches in his last game before the homer. I’ll bet he’s in the rotation by the end of April.

  883. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    “Cervelli said CC was better tonight than last week. ? JT”

    That surprised me based on the result CC almost had last week.

  884. jz166 April 16th, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Mets. LOL

    1 run loss, good.

  885. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Rob B, yes. Teams that were on the road on the 15th are to wear 42 in their next home game.

  886. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    So far, Greinke hasn’t been Greinke this year.

  887. jz166 April 16th, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    Cervelli is a good player!

  888. Joe from Long Island April 16th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    All right guys, everyone have a good night. Thanks for the discussion.

    Tomorrow’s another win.

  889. Jeremy April 16th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    jz166
    You really enjoy the Mets bad luck and play. I really enjoyed the choking but I’m starting to feel sorry for my Met fan friends.

  890. CR9 April 16th, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    Carl

    lol. I am so excited, in hindsight, that the Rays did not win in 2008! They did the job that I needed them to do, beat the Sox, and then lost anyways!

  891. Jeremy April 16th, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    Fran (the original) and OPPC member

    Yeah I did hear Betty talking about that earlier. I still can’t figure how Minaya still has a job. Most people in real life would be unemployed based on his track record.

  892. Jeremy April 16th, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    Fran (the original) and OPPC member

    Yeah I did hear Betty talking about that earlier. I still can’t figure how Minaya still has a job. Most people in real life would be unemployed based on his track record.

  893. jz166 April 16th, 2010 at 11:16 pm


    You really enjoy the Mets bad luck and play. I really enjoyed the choking but I’m starting to feel sorry for my Met fan friends.

    Don’t worry. Once Mets win 1 or 2 games, your Mets friends will challenge you which NY team is better. :)

  894. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 16th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    I don’t know what changing a manager (or GM, for that matter) would do, but don’t the Mets have to try something??

  895. Frank & Beans April 16th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    Jim The VT Yankeefan April 16th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
    Am I the only one who thinks it seems odd for the Yanks to e in first place in April? It seems like every year they have been getting off to an awful start. Nice to see a good start for a change.

    Great Point By Jim

  896. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    LOL I hate the name Betty, Jeremy!

    I’m really :mad: at you………….just kidding!

  897. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    The only people more incompetent than the Mets GM are the Mets owners, but they won’t fire themselves, so…………..

  898. Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Even though it was only 6 innings, CC totally deserves the complete game. I think he would have gotten close to one if there was no rain. He was really dealing tonight

  899. CR9 April 16th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/.....id=5100441

    WHEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thankfully, CBS had the highest bid, and did not allow ESPN to ruin yet another sport!!!!!!

  900. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    Doreen, the Mets are so talent thin and not fundamentally sound, it’s a back up the truck time including the GM and entire coaching staff. If they don’t it’s going to start wearing on players like Wright. Reyes will play according to his mood. I think that I’d want Wright and Bay to clear the coaches and manager out of the clubhouse and start a fistfight with the slackers. They give up after the first run gets scored.

  901. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    I agree, Patrick; it was one of those games where you know the other team doesn’t have much of a chance.

  902. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    I guess I’ll check out Dallas Braden as I now own him.

    Meanwhile the Nats did it again!!!! Talk about coming from behind and taking games. This is really exciting to watch. Any guesses on who leads the league in saves? Okay there’s a tie for the most saves. All I will tell you is that one of the closers tied for first is Matt Capps of the Washington Nationals.

    Wow.

    :)

  903. pistol pete April 16th, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    The Yanks are 7 and 3 with Tex hitting 083, Arod not hitting his stride yet, and having no left fielder, scarry. Additionally they’ve played all so called contenders. Last note, Cervelli is going to be a very very servicable back up catcher. Pitchers seem to love him, he makes contact at the plate, and he has speed for a catcher.

  904. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 16th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    GB7

    I know they had some really bad luck with injuries, but it was more than that.

    They have some good guys there, but too many holes and no pitching. How many lives does Omar have left?!

    Manuel can only work with what he’s got, but he seems to not be inspiring his team to give extra.

    I don’t know.

  905. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    You just think you’re so smart, Trisha, just because you had your computer make all of your pick.

  906. stuckey April 16th, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    Remember how you got like 300 points on the SAT just by filling in your name.

    Yankees are going to score 5 runs a game just for showing up.

    Philies are apparently going to score 6, but nonetheless.

  907. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 16th, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    Trisha,
    I picked up Josh Willingham from the Nats this week and he is my top scorer.

    Jeremy and Doreen,
    Don’t know how Minaya still has a job, but I can’t see him and Manuel lasting too much longer if the Mets keep faltering. Someone is going to have to take the hit, and Minaya assembled the team.

  908. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    On Baseball Tonight, they said that players are already complaining about Manuel. Santana wasn’t happy about having an extra day of rest early in the season, Francoeur said that Reyes shouldn’t be batting 3rd, etc…

  909. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    I don’t know when Omar will ever take the hit, but when he does, Francesca will be crying all day; he’s got a man-crush on Omar.

  910. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    Doreen, I wonder just how much damage players like Delgado and Sheffield did in that clubhouse. They haven’t been the same since. If they don’t fix it quick, I look for Wright and Santana to want out. You know that Bay must feel like slitting his wrists. Pittsburgh wasn’y good, but, the rancor in that organization has to be thick.

    Their biggest mistake was getting rid of Randolph, especially the way it was done.

  911. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 16th, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    Fran,

    It sounds like a mutiny is brewing.

  912. Yeah April 16th, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    Tim: Only about the first half of Yankee Years is worth reading. I mean, for one thing, Torre is not an author, but a source. And not a very scintillating one at that. For another, while the first half is a pleasant-enough encomium to the ’90s dynasty, the second is a lot of bunkum about how the decline that followed was everyone’s fault but Torre’s. Also, Verducci can’t write for crap.

  913. Pat M. April 16th, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    Tricia, Matt Capps can be good but man he’s shaky at times…….I have the Nationals on the overs ( 72 )……..

  914. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    Baltimore is another team that is crashing and eating itself up. They have a good amount of talent, but, it doesn’t seem to be working.

  915. Doreen - 2010 GTLU April 16th, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    Oops, that was responding to Betsy – the mutiny thing.

    GB7 -

    The way they fired Randolph was shameful. Utterly shameful.

  916. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    Only 68 more wins, Pat.

  917. pistol pete April 16th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    The Mets need to dismantle the entire team and organization. They look like the Knicks. They’ve spent more money than any National League team and really stink. They don’t have enough talent in the right places to win. It starts with a poor starting pitching staff coupled with poor power production. Keep Wright, Santana, Pelfrey and Bay. Fire Manuel and Omar. Trade Krod, Reyes and Beltran. Get a GM and start over. This team for 140m/yr is an embarassment.

  918. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    GB – :lol:

    Actually I didn’t have the computer make all my picks. At some point my screen froze up and I was helpless to do anything but sit there with a panicked expression and watch the computer make my picks! I powered down and came back on, and by the time that happened, a lot of the top dogs were gone. I had trouble even trying to find out who I already had and who I needed.

    One of my best picks, on purpose – Vernon Wells

    One of my best picks, by accident (I forgot I already had a 2B and in the panic of the screen freeze came back on and picked a what? You guessed it. A second 2B) – Placido Polanco

    I also picked Ryan Zimmerman and Nyjer Morgan, both on the Nats, because I like them both.

    Every week we can add and drop players so I have shed some of the automatic picks and also some of my own.

    When I rave about the Nats it’s because they’re my heart and soul feel sorry for team. I’m so proud of what they’ve done and just wild about Capps having the most saves in the majors. That is unbelievable.

  919. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    Pat M, he’s been pretty solid so far. I watched him the other night and he just dispatched the heart of the Phils lineup, 1-2-3. It was so cool.

    :)

  920. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    trisha – OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 11:39 pm
    GB –

    Actually I didn’t have the computer make all my picks. At some point my screen froze up and I was helpless to do anything but sit there with a panicked expression and watch the computer make my picks! I powered down and came back on, and by the time that happened, a lot of the top dogs were gone. I had trouble even trying to find out who I already had and who I needed.

    One of my best picks, on purpose – Vernon Wells

    One of my best picks, by accident (I forgot I already had a 2B and in the panic of the screen freeze came back on and picked a what? You guessed it. A second 2B) – Placido Polanco

    I also picked Ryan Zimmerman and Nyjer Morgan, both on the Nats, because I like them both.

    Every week we can add and drop players so I have shed some of the automatic picks and also some of my own.

    When I rave about the Nats it’s because they’re my heart and soul feel sorry for team. I’m so proud of what they’ve done and just wild about Capps having the most saves in the majors. That is unbelievable.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I figured that it was a computer or Madam Zelda that helped you. so, where are you in the standings in your league?

  921. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    Delgado was apparently a leader in the clubhouse, but even if no one knows it, he certainly did more harm than good. He basically refused to put in an effort while Willie was manager and don’t think the younger players didn’t see that. They probably think that that’s the right way to go about business – sad. That said, the Wilpons let Tony Bernarzard stab Willie in the back, actively chatting up Manny Acta as the next manager. They are a gutless organization.

  922. GreenBeret7 April 16th, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    The Mets remind me of the early days texas Rangers. The organization is rotting down to the roots.

  923. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    “Trisha,
    I picked up Josh Willingham from the Nats this week and he is my top scorer.”

    :) :) :)

    Remember when we shared Christian Guzman? He did help both of us.

    Who would believe that we were getting some of our highest points from Nats players? But when you look at the runs they have been scoring in games, you can understand it. It’s pretty incredible.

  924. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 16th, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    You could be right, GB. That said, it’s very early in the season, way too soon to give up.

  925. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    I think you could say I’m tied for third, right Fran?

    GB it’s kind of a weird setup. Last year we played Rotisserie and there were 10 teams, and we were all in the same league. This season we’re playing head-to-head and have two divisions with 5 teams in each division. It seems you play one of the teams each week (head to head) and you get wins and losses that way. So all of the points you get don’t seem to matter. I think Fran said they’re only used if there’s a tie at the end. So it means that if you play someone and get a lousy score but still beat them, a win is a win is a win.

  926. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    Take it back. I’m tied for second. But I’m also tied for last! :D

    We’ve only played one week. So in our division, 2 people are tied for first with a 1-0 record and three of us are tied for second (or last depending on how you look at it) with an 0-1 record.

  927. GreenBeret7 April 17th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    trisha – OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 16th, 2010 at 11:55 pm
    Take it back. I’m tied for second. But I’m also tied for last!

    We’ve only played one week. So in our division, 2 people are tied for first with a 1-0 record and three of us are tied for second (or last depending on how you look at it) with an 0-1 record.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    yes, being tied for the 2nd best record does sound better.

  928. BillG April 17th, 2010 at 12:10 am

    F Troop was the greatest rain delay re-run ever


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