Reds starter Volquez suspended
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 20, 2010 
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While I was out to lunch with Bryan Hoch and Pete Caldera, Major League Baseball announced the suspension of Cincinnati starter Edinson Volquez for testing position for a performance-enhancing substance. The suspension came after a morning and afternoon of rumors and speculation after news got out that someone was about to be suspended, and that the player in question would be a pretty big name. Apparently there were some rumors that it was either a Yankees or Mets player.
I’m leaving for the ballpark in about 20 minutes, but here’s the whole MLB press release, all two sentences of it.
The Office of the Commissioner of Baseball announced today that Cincinnati Reds pitcher Edinson Volquez has received a 50-game suspension for testing positive for a performance-enhancing substance in violation of Major League Baseball’s Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program.
The suspension of Volquez will be effective tomorrow, April 21, 2010.
LOL Some suspension – he’ll serve it while he’s recovering from TJ surgery. MLB is so incompetent.
Chad, for the benefit of Bay Area culinary fans, you should tell us where you ate any notable meals.
Betsy – he still loses 50-games worth of pay, it’s not their fault he is hurt.
And Cliff Lee’s suspension was suspended. So much for sending a message.
GB, isn’t that rather convenient? Laying the blame for not throwing anyone out all at the feet of the pitcher? Whenever it is he comes up here, people are not going to just forget about that…he’s going to have to throw runners out.
Betsy – Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 20th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
LOL Some suspension ? he?ll serve it while he?s recovering from TJ surgery. MLB is so incompetent.
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It will end up costing him some money though.
Tom, it’s a dumb rule. Let him serve the suspension when he returns to the active roster.
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This is ridiculous, they should wait for him to get fit and get back in the game and then suspend him. He loses no *playing* time for this… what exactly is his motivation now to get fit…. so the Reds are screwed too…
but how can you have someone be banned when he is incapable of playing… they shd hv waited for him to be fit…
Yes Chad–We in the Bay Area are foodies, so I agree with Nick–where did you eat? Or if you need recommendations, let us know.
I posted links to the SF Chron and Santa Rosa Press Democrat Yankee’s -A’s coverage on the previous post’s thread, fyi.
interesting call from some for a day off for swisher.
had they not had an off day yesterday, i would say yes he needs a mental day off.
but with the day off and him being a former A who used to play in that stadium, i think he will play.
Erin, I’m glad it will cost him $$$, but that’s not enough. Playing the game is a privilege; he should miss serious time.
I don’t recall why Lee was suspended.
These things are jokes. AJ was suspended last summer for “retaliating” againt Cruz (who understood why he threw up and in), but Padilla, the dope who started it, was fined less than a thousand dollars.
Bud’s getting lazy.
I see no mention of “disgraced the game of baseball” in either of those 2 sentences and nothing about his name and reputation being damaged.
as far as i know they are not allowed to attend the spring training facilities or any team owned facility for that matter, which will mess up his rehab.
“Trevor, unlike the Mets, who I do believe pay attention to what Mike says, I think that was a coincidence with the Yanks/Hughes. I still think that was a mistake. I don’t blame the Yankees for Phil’s injuries, but he should have stayed in AAA all year. It would also have been nice if they didn’t remove him from games after he reached a certain pitch count; they didn’t really do him any favors in terms of his development.”
I think it’s just a coincidence too. But there are people out there that think Mike has some authority. He gets blamed at times because Glen Sather still has a job. lol
Betsy – Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 20th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Hello Betsy! While I understand what you are saying Betsy, his career could be over with an unsuccessful surgery. So rather than wait to find out, the player is penalized the money.
It is actually fairer to the team to just penalyze the player.
It will cost Edison Volquez around $140,000.
I e-mailed Chad one recommendation; I have done my part.
Hey Doreen,
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Who cares what kind of suspension he serves. Just not a big issue in my mind..
Betsy, you need to stop being concerned about Romine and Montero throwing out runners trying to steal, right now. These two are just about the youngest catchers in baseball and they are catching pitchers with little idea of how to hold runners. If the get 20% of runners stealing in the minors, they’ll be just fine. Ivan Rodriguez wasn’t overly successful in the minors either. I’d rather they call the correct pitches over calling all fastballs just to throw out the runners. he also had his share of seasons with double figures in passed balls, too.
Nick,
Chez Panisse in Berkeley?
where is bud calling him a disgrace to the game? Oh that’s right only if was a Yankee would he be a disgrace.
Has anyone heard what exactly he tested positive for?
Ray, other teams have had to deal with missing players; the Reds shouldn’t be any different. I’m sorry he’s having TJ surgery, but that fact doesn’t make me sympathize with him.
Trevor, much as Mike annoys me,lol – he doesn’t deserve to take the rap for that!
“but how can you have someone be banned when he is incapable of playing… they shd hv waited for him to be fit…”
Because the league does not have the power to control Cincinatti’s player transactions.
All Cincy would do it move him to the active roster this year and have him serve out his suspension despite still not being fit to play.
You can’t have the league office determine for a team WHEN a player is eligible to be activated off the DL.
That’s opens a can or worms the league can’t and won’t open. They have a policy and are enforcing it, without prejudice, which is how polices must be enforced.
CB, like you said, he’s got quick and soft hands and strong arm. People forget that the only fulltime catching instructors he’s had is Wynegar, this year. Maybe some instruction this next winter with flexability drills and, don’t laugh, some dance instructions will help in those areas. Losing some lower body weight (10 or so pounds) will help in those areas, too.
hooking that outer half breaking pitch today was impressive. So was his catching, coming off of last night. This is still only his 10th AAA game catching, and he looks so much better. People need to forget the complaints about not throwing out runners. It’s impossible to hang the blame on a catcher when nobody gives them a chance to throw them out. that’s a huge problem throughout the system. He’s got the arm…just the footwork and experience on when to block a pitch and when to try dig the pitch out of the dirt.
No, La Taqueria in San Francisco!
Kind of impractical, though, it’s in an out-of-the-way neighborhood and it closes at 9:00.
Hmmmmm.
GB, that’s fair….
Phil, I read that he said he took some sort of drug in the Dominican Republic, something to help he and his wife have a baby…….some dumb excuse.
“is jesus a september call-up? if the yanks are up by 10 games by then, wouldn’t it be great to see what he can do against ml pitching?”
It’s an interesting question. Under most circumstances and with most prospects in AAA the answer would be clearly yes. And I do think he most likely will.
The reason that I don’t think it’s a slam dunk that he gets up to the bigs is the 40 man roster issue. Montero doesn’t need to be placed on the 40 man roster yet.
To call him up in September the team would have to make a 40 man roster move. Then Montero would need to obviously stay on the 40 man over the winter. He’ll take up a spot on the 40 man for the rule v draft.
In this regard it’s not ideal.
All that said, I do think in all likelihood he will get called up. The last time the yankees had an similar situation was with Ian Kennedy in 2007. He didn’t need to be on the 40 man but the yanks called him up. With Kennedy it was a bit different because if he didn’t suffere that strain he might have been on the post season roster.
But the reason why the yanks called up Kennedy in 2007 was because they knew he would be a part of the team in 2008.
I think they’ll do the same with Montero.
If Montero does get called up and put on the 40 man that’s an indication that the team sees him as part of their major league plans for 2011. If they don’t call him up for some reason that doesn’t mean they don’t see him as a major leaguer in 2011. But if they do call him up that will be a sign of what they plan on doing with him.
I think he’ll be the DH next year and catch 30-40 games as a transition between him and Posada as long as Montero does well in AAA this year.
Betsy, no catcher is going to throw out runners that take 10-12 foot leads and the three steps before the pitcher delivers the ball. That’s what you see from most minor league pitchers.
Speaking of Berkley.
Nick, have you heard the loud buzz surrounding Tyson Alualu? His stock’s really shot up in the last couple of weeks.
Guess which team really, really likes him.
Patrick, I do – he’s not serving a suspension because of his injury; that’s asinine.
where is bud calling him a disgrace to the game? Oh that’s right only if was a Yankee would he be a disgrace.
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I am amused that one incident from 2003 and the guy is a disgrace. 5-6 years after testing has been put in place, Manny gets pinched and nothing from Bud. McGwire comes ‘half clean’ and its good for baseball that he was so ‘honest’. Nothing about Ortiz.
Anyone who thinks there is NO BIAS vs. the yankees, please think of this.
Betsy
Viagra?
Oh man, you recommended LT to me and I never got there. My loss.
And now I’m craving some Zachary’s pizza. Ugh.
Betsy, how do you know it’s a dumb excuse? Have you ever had fertility issues? I have.
Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t. Maybe it’s the truth, maybe it’s a story. We don’t know.
GB, I didn’t realize it was so bad in the minors……shouldn’t the instructors work with the pitchers so that when they get to the majors it’s not a problem?
There have been way too many Dominican/dominican background players busted for roids. MLB needs to crack down on the offseason policy somehow…..they go over there in the offseason with no money trail and juice up…..Tejada, AROD, Manny, Ortiz, Volquez, etc it’s not a good trend
Having a player serve the suspension while injured is not keeping with the spirit of the punishment.
But, all in all, Volquez is a non-thought for me.
There’s a drug men can take to help their fertility? Not to make light of the issue, but does one exist?
now to baseball…. get into oakland, set them back to where their mediocre expectations that they have exceeded so far, and get to Anaheim. I cannot wait til they get back to baltimore. could be real ugly.
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I don’t know what your point is, Doreen, except to imply that I am insensitive to fertility issues. Let’s not even go there. He took a banned substance that he knew was a banned substance.
I wish Bud Selig had been my high school principal.
I could have served my in-school suspensions during school vacation weeks.
(though truthfully, I enjoyed the suspensions
)
Even if they isn’t activated for september, I think both Montero and Romine get called to NYY after their seasons are over to hang around with the big team, get a lot of on-hand instruction from Pena, Posada and Cervelli. Those kinds of call-ups are just as valuable as getting the playing time.
Here’s his quote:
Volquez said in a statement he received a prescription in the Dominican Republic as part of treatment to start a family with his wife. He said the drug was banned by Major League Baseball.
“As a result, I tested positive when I reported to spring training,” he said. “Although I understand that I must accept responsibility for this mistake and have chosen not to challenge my suspension, I want to assure everyone that this was an isolated incident involving my genuine effort to treat a common medical issue.”
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I just did a search – plenty of supplements for that a purpose.
tex’s friend
Alex’s Texas contract made lots of owners unhappy and made him Public Enemy #1 to Bud in particular.
GB, I like that idea……the Yanks did that with Jeter in 1995.
yeah, betsy, that should be part of a pitcher’s education, but, they stress the pitching part as far as mechanics and teaching new pitches. That’s the first goal. Unfortunately, the need or desire to get these young players to the majors as soon as possible takes priority over complete education.
Doreen,
Thanks. Then Volquez, like manny, should check with mlb before ingesting any medication. Prescribed or otherwise.
I understand that starting a family is important, but so should be their livelihood. Especially for Volquez who’s not as established as manny.
But, like, Betsy. I’m not so inclined to give Volquez the benefit of the doubt. There’s probably a reason that substance is on the banned list.
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First of all, it’s Berkeley with 3 E’s.
Yes, Alualu has been written up as a fast-riser in local media.
I’ve seen Cal Bears win Super Bowls with the Patriots before; it’s not ideal, but good for them. If the team that Red Sox fans root for gets Alualu, it won’t be the ideal situation for me, but good for him and good for them. I don’t think anything can compare with DeSean Jackson going to Philly.
re: Oakland tonight: doubtful but maybe.
GB, that’s too bad because I think if a pitcher was really fully developed and ready to face major leaguers, it would save him a lot of grief at the MLB level. I don’t mean to suggest that he wouldn’t struggle facing such great hitters, but that would simply be a function of having to learn to face the best. Instead, you rush these kids, maybe to placate fans, and they end up having their confidence crushed. Then, they end up being sent down anyway.
“I am amused that one incident from 2003 and the guy is a disgrace. ”
Does it matter that Selig never said that?
Probably not…
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Perhaps MLB has investigated this and that’s why the statement is particulary benign?
Ahh… the ever elusive La Taqueria.
Many hear the alluring moans her siren song yet so few have tasted the fruits of her floury folds.
“hooking that outer half breaking pitch today was impressive. So was his catching, coming off of last night. ”
GB7,
Kiko Calero is a pretty good pitcher. He had a decent year last year and I was surprised that someone didn’t give him a major league deal.
Hitting a home run off of Calero is just impressive. That’s exactly the purpose of being in AAA – to fact guys with better off speed stuff and guys with major league experience.
It’s particularly impressive to hit a home run off a guy like Calero when you’re a catcher and catching what sounds like a crazy game after a tough night last night.
You mentioned how many balls Montero had to block in the dirt. Sanchez is not easy to catch – he throws very hard and he can really lose his command. The scranton beat writer donnie collins had Sanchez sitting 94-95 and throwing all four pitches. That’s a real challenge for a young catcher, especially if the pitcher’s command goes which it sounds like happened with Sanchez today.
Collins had this bit on his game updates about how wild sanchez got today:
“Sanchez got out of it, but not before a funny sight. His two-strike pitch to Mike Cervenak was a high fastball that soared over Jesus Montero’s head, hit the fence behind the backstop and bounced directly back to Montero, who fielded it like he was playing a double off the Green Monster. The next pitch was a filthy slider that got Cervenak to swing and miss. But do you know how high and hard you have to throw a pitch to get it above Jesus Montero’s head? And if the ball didn’t bounce right back to Montero, it would have meant a Buffalo run. The Bisons had runners on second and third.”
If you are a 6 ft 5 in catcher and the pitcher sails the ball over your head – that’s got to be something to think about.
But montero sounds like he hung in there and caught a solid game. And he was able to separate the defensive issues from his at bats. He drew a walk. And of course hit that bomb off a tough pitcher in Calero.
These are exactly the kind of games that are going to make him a better player. The experience of catching a tough guy like Sanchez who is throwing hard, throwing an assortment of pitches and then having to hit off of an experienced guy with major league success like Calero is what is going to push him to become better.
I also agree with you that he could stand to lose some weight. It will only help him. He needs to get in better shape to enhance his defense.
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MLB gives exemptions for banned ADHD medication.
Shouldn’t they have to give exemptions for fertility issues as well if they are medically diagnosed?
Testosterone levels are a tangible that can be measured.
Betsy, the Yankees have done that with their best prospects since the 50s when they brought Mantle, Skowron and McDougald to NY in 1950. These were the jewels of the Yankee system at that time.
“Having a player serve the suspension while injured is not keeping with the spirit of the punishment.”
Again, what choice does the league have?
They bend the policy AND successfully fend off the challenge from the player’s union and THEN they’d somehow have to invent a brand new policy that prohibits the Reds from activating him in August.
And then fend off a challenge from the Reds, and the Player’s Union, again…
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Thanks for the info on his comments. After Wednesday we won’t hear about it again because its not a New York Yankee anyway. I’m watching a Cleveland sports talk show and the host read a press release about his suspension and just went on to his next subject. Had it been a Yankee pitcher it would have been a 5-10 minute rant about the Yankees, roids and how unlevel the playing field is (refering to money)
Would it be rubbing it in if I dined at La Taqueria tonight? I don’t think today is a religious holiday of any kind, is it?
All this talk is making me hungry.
Doreen,
Could be. But if it’s the same substances you linked (and manny was reported to have taken), then no benefit of the doubt for mr. volquez.
It was all over the news, so he can’t claim ignorance.
And if baseball wanted to be passe on such a benign substance, then it should be removed from the list.
I talk all these guys stories (yes, including Andy & Alex
) with a huge grain of salt. I’ve very little patience for this kind of stupid stuff, even though it’s been rampant.
I actually believe him. Hopefully he gets his family started. Best of luck Edinson, even though you’re out $150,000.
Phil, I’m sorry to say I agree with you, but absolutely – if this had been a Yankee, it would be all over the headlines.
I like it GB and I hope the Yanks keep doing it; it’s always good to inculcate a winning, professional attitude in kids. These kids can only benefit by watching such pros as Jeter, Alex, Posada, Mo, Andy, etc…. When they are the vets, they can pay it forward as it were by teaching the next crop of kids what it means to be a professional.
The drugs andy and alex were caught with are different. The fertility stuff isn’t HGH. It’s just used along with HGH, but i forgot the exact reason why, and that exact reason why is why it’s banned.
Viagra is a performance enhancing drug, and I don’t see anyone complaining about that!
I’m not getting into another re-hash of the PED conversation but that was my favorite comment from past conversations.
CB, he’s had his share of solid hits off of pitchers with ML experience and as you said, Calero is no rummy hanging on for a MILB check.
Coming off of his defensive woes of last night says a lot about how seriously he takes his defense. He had a good game. his walks are picking up as he goes, and, like all young minor leaguers, he’ll still chase pitches like his bases loaded strikeout. It doesn’t happen often. He has much in common with Cano. He can reach a lot of pitches and he swings at them and puts them in play. When he learns to let them go or just foul them off, his numbers will skyrocket…much like Cano has so far this year.
IF it’s the fertility drug, it’s used as a masking agent for steroids.
You don’t need anything to mask HGH.
Here’s how I see it – he knew he wasn’t going to be playing his year and made a decision to go ahead with it. Should have cleared it, certainly.
“the guy is a disgrace. ”
Disgraced the game is how Bud put it. Less harsh but a stronger message than the one delivered today.
“On behalf of Major League Baseball, I am saddened by the revelations concerning Alex Rodriguez’s use of performance-enhancing substances,” Selig said. “While Alex deserves credit for publicly confronting the issue, there is no valid excuse for using such substances, and those who use them have shamed the game.
“What Alex did was wrong and he will have to live with the damage he has done to his name and reputation. His actions are also a reminder to everyone in baseball – under our current drug program, if you are caught using steroids and/or amphetamines, you will be punished.”
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Edinson really isn’t a high profile player. He had that great run in 2008 but injuries have kept him off the radar. He’s still on the DL right now. It would have been all over the headlines had this been Aroldys Chapman or… well I can’t really think of another high profile player on the Reds. Arroyo since he’s had spats with MLB about his supplements? Haarang maybe? Bruce? Meh. Story is old already.
“Disgraced the game is how Bud put it.”
No, it isn’t…
“Viagra is a performance enhancing drug, and I don’t see anyone complaining about that!”
Complaints usually start by the second hour.
(I’m told)
Nick in SF April 20th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
“Viagra is a performance enhancing drug, and I don’t see anyone complaining about that!”
Complaints usually start by the second hour.
(I’m told)
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LMAO. Don’t forget to tell your doctor immediately if the “issue” lasts longer than 4 hours. Just don’t tell your wife or significant other if you plan on getting any in the future.
stuckey
“Shamed the game”. I stand corrected.
So it’s not Mark Teixeira? How about that.
Interestingly, that ridiculous web site that ran that story about Tex being the one who tested positive for PED’s based on the sources of a caller to a radio sports talk shows has conveniently now pulled the story off of their web site.
It’s not longer there. That’s convenient.
The magic of the internet.
From now on this fertility alibi will be forever known as “The Manny Defense”
come on guys you are better than this
pat,
I don’t want to get into a long discussion on the differences between “shamed” and “disgraced”.
Let’s move on, shall we?
Not going to mention Rockies ptrdident dying? Good reporting…
Uncle,
Apparently not! (if you’re referring to the convo between Nick & GB7)
random thought of the day… as much as we give brett gardner a hard time here, how much do you think theo epstein wishes he had brett right now? or melky cabrera?
Titanium Necklaces and Meteor Tanzinite bracelets purport to be performance enhancing, and yet Josh Beckett is allowed to contend for the Cy Young while weighed down by dozens of these electromagnetic resonation devices.
President…good spelling by me
m
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Good spelling.
I’m sure it will be mentioned at some point.
Look into your heart, m. Is that what you think Uncle E was referring to?
Jerkface
As I recall reading, Hideki Irabu used to wear those stupid magnets all over his back. Apparently, they did nothing. The titianium necklaces and tanzanite bracelets are the same BS garbage. All they do is make him look like more of an idiot.
Woah, instant apology to m.
Uncle Ellsworth, anti-Viagra joke?????
m
Not trying to split hairs just willing to admit it when I’m wrong.
It’s a beautiful day and I’m going for a run now while dinner cooks.
Catch ya’ later.
It’s really a shame he felt the need to resort to using PEDS. I wonder if it’s something he wanted to try to help with any healing as opposed to enhancing his performance up front – not that it makes it right.
I remember people raving about him when he first showed up.
It’s another sad day for baseball.
Nick
Way too easy, recycled and borderline distasteful – I stand by my original statement.
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Thank you for your candor, Uncle Ellsworth. I always appreciate your input, positive or negative.
“random thought of the day… as much as we give brett gardner a hard time here, how much do you think theo epstein wishes he had brett right now? or melky cabrera?”
id take either of those two over bill hall any day!
The Sox called up Josh Reddick today. He’s better than Brett Gardner.
The Sox don’t lack for athletic outfielders.
Bill Hall played CF due to problematic roster construction, more than it was absence of talent in the OF.
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time for a haiku!
Apparently, Jacoby Ellsbury is going on the DL and replaced by Darnell McDonald.
That could be a paper thin hitting outfield for a team that needs offense in a big way.
When did Rickles weep?
Has a line really been crossed?
Ask me in four hours.
And Cliff Lee?s suspension was suspended. So much for sending a message.
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now that is comedy!
That’s great, Rosy. maybe next time the league won’ t overreact. We have players suspended for looking at people the wrong way. No sympathy from this corner. j/k
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“It’s another sad day for baseball.”
IMO, it doesn’t feel sad or particularly shameful anymore when a player like Volquez tests positive. A Big Name would still bother me, but less than it would have two years ago.
Maybe the fact that Manny and A-Rod made tremendous impacts once they rejoined their respective teams and forced the issue into the background has dampened the fans’ fervor. Maybe the egregiously unfair and slipshod Mitchell Report, plus Selig’s (and the owners’) literally incredible denials of knowledge, destroyed any claim by Baseball to the moral right to punish behavior they once tolerated for the dollars it generated.
Perhaps we’ve already put all the posing behind us and gotten down to appreciating the game as it currently is, since we can’t go back to the way we thought it was. Maybe that’s why in ten or fifteen years the PED Scandal will be reduced to the PED Era, like the Dead Ball Era or any of the other phases the game has gone through. Then, naturally talented, yet PED tainted players, will be considered for inclusion in the Hall of Fame after all.
To me, Volquez’ real sin here is being careless, assuming he is telling the truth. If it’s another Dominican Milkshake story, then he’s an idiot.
Hey Betsy, how do you know if Volquez is being honest or not? None of us do.
You also realize that Mitre served his PED suspension while on the DL last year for the Yankees., don’t you?
Nick:
I am going to all three…and the 2nd row is where my season tickets are…If you have my number or email from last yr hit me up and i will come get you or we can meet upstairs in the restaurant for a drink. Which might be good especially if its raining.
“And Cliff Lee’s suspension was suspended. So much for sending a message.”
A suspension suspension?
Do they make kids read Catch 22 in college anymore?
One question lingers
what’s up with dual bathtubs?
Next up: Cialis
“Apparently, Jacoby Ellsbury is going on the DL and replaced by Darnell McDonald.”
GB I don’t know anything about Darnell McDonald but they are in a mess of hurt without Ellsbury.
Just think, if Ortiz had admitted to using, the way Alex did, perhaps all of this ugly baseball karma might have just drifted away.
I’ve watched the Suxers for a very long time and I don’t ever remember their team being in this kind of mess before. It’s like watching it disintegrate.
They sure don’t have enough offense there to overtake rotational woes.
Big trouble.
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Art tolerates off color jokes
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“You also realize that Mitre served his PED suspension while on the DL last year for the Yankees., don’t you?”
That’s a really good point. The situations are very similar.
And I don’t remember anyone complaining about the injustice of the Mitre being able to pitch for the yanks as soon as his rehab was completed in the light of Wang being hurt and the back of the rotation being a mess.
Exactly CB.
I’m really tired of Yankee fans clamoring about how everyone is out to get the Yankees.
It’s not true and makes Yankee fans look stupid.
I didn’t know crack was considered a performance-enhancing drug.
Scutaro SS
Drew RF
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Martinez C
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This kind of looks like an NL lineup (Ortiz is the pitcher
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why is it that the west coast lohudders get together more than the east coasters?
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Teixeira – DH
Rodriguez – 3B
Cano – 2B
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Granderson – CF
Thames – DH
Gardner – LF
ooh, I got the attack dogs out on me. Let’s see – yeah, Mitre was a HUGE story last year. Yep, it was on ESPN’s front page and it was a big deal on Yankee blogs because heaven knows Mitre was a popular figure around here. I think Mitre should have served his suspension after he recovered, but if you don’t believe me, then I don’t care. What the heck is your problem anyway? You attack me this morning, I apologize and it still wasn’t good enough.
Teixeira – 1B sorry
“I don’t want to get into a long discussion on the differences between “shamed” and “disgraced”.”
Then you’re in luck, because the problem isn’t the difference between those two words.
I understand going in that context and circumstance are not valued highly by some around here, and people stop considering situations once they get to the part that satisfies their desire to be indignant about how the poor NY Yankees are treated, but it’s too much fun not to forge ahead anyway.
“While Alex deserves credit for publicly confronting the issue, there is no valid excuse for using such substances, and those who use them have shamed the game,” Selig said.
1.) This was a carefully worded statement and as such, the actual words are important. He called ANYONE who has used them a disgrace to the game, in fact complimenting Rodriquez in the first half of the sentence for confronting it. He didn’t single out Rodriquez.
So okay, yeah, I get it… “But, but… he didn’t make statements like that for Manny Ramirez. Why A-Rod?”
Yes, and there is a reason for that.
A good reason…
2.) He couldn’t PUNISH Alex Rodriquez.
Selig and Major League Baseball has had a problem for years, and when they suspend players for violating policy, they are demonstrating they are dealing with the issue.
That they are being “tough in crime” if you like a political parallel. And if you think I’m overstating the matter, bear in mind the United State CONGRESS HAS and CAN hold highly embarrassing hearings and launch commissions on the issue.
But here is Selig, in a situation where the games biggest name/once considered the heir apparent as arguably the best player ever, admits use, after publicly denying it for years, and Selig’s POWERLESS to punish him.
So what does he do when he can’t DO anything? What ANYONE in a similar position HAS to do and the only thing he can do – make a strong public statement admonishing the act.
He HAD to say something – even the most far gone of you must admit that.
He had little choice put to issue a carefully worded, strong statement where he takes Rodriquez to task about purposely saves the harshest criticism for ANYONE who’s used PEDs.
This was media 101.
michelle b: I have it (yo la tengo!), I’ll email now to confirm the proper #.
Hey Bob, I never once said anyone was out to get the Yankees. What exactly is your problem? I know what CB’s problem is – sort of. He got on his freaking high horse. I apologized this morning – I felt bad. For heaven sake, I didn’t murder anyone and I didn’t do anything that I should feel awful about. I’m sorry I posted that stuff; exactly what more was I supposed to do? I give up.
Derek Jeter SS
Nick Johnson DH
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Jorge Posada C
Curtis Granderson CF
Nick Swisher RF
Marcus Thames LF
The Sox are very fortunate that the next two weeks they are playing the orioles then the jays then the orioles again.
Those two teams are just so bad. They sox are going to be able to stabilize over this stretch of games.
Losing Mike Cameron hurts in particular because most of their other outfielders are all left handed hitters.
Right now McDonald is the only RH hitting outfielder on their roster and he’s not that good.
Doreen,
I hope I’m not too late. Thanks again for hosting.
Jeter SS
NJ DH
Tex 1B
ARod 3B
Robbie 2B
Jorgie C
Swish RF
Thames LF
Granderson CF
Reading Murphydog I realize I haven’t read anything beyond the fact that he’s been suspended. I’ll now try to find articles that elaborate more.
I still consider it sad, no matter what player it is. I had hoped that this chapter would be closed by all the players.
Trisha, McDonald is 31 year old slap hitter type with speed and a decent outfielder with some M:B experience. His brother, Donzell was the same type of player that was drafted by and played for the yanks a few games around 2000 or 2001. Not really much more than a career minor leahuer or at best a 4-5 outfielder.
Derek Jeter SS
Nick Johnson DH
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Jorge Posada C
Nick Swisher RF
Marcus Thames LF
Curtis Granderson CF
start spreading the news
Uncle E sets haiku standard
art: anything goes!
stuckey,
Uh. Okay. Why so serious?
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For the record, it’s still not in the spirit of punishment imo. Whether it’s mitre or volquez. Yankee or non-Yankee.
I didn’t care for manny being allowed to rehab in the minors while suspended either.
But I doubt Selig’s going to listen to me, so I won’t go on about it anymore.
I don’t even think they have the horses to handle Toronto at this point. Toronto has been playing some very good baseball. Although I would like to think that the Orioles may have found some magic when they won their second game (poor Orioles) I have a feeling that the Suxers may be able to handle them. Of course we might be surprised.
Haiku foul! Corrected entry:
start spreading the news
Ellsworth sets haiku standard
art: anything goes!
BryanHoch Andy Pettitte and A.J. Burnett just ran the concourse under the press box. They’re jogging in the second deck of the Oakland Coliseum.
Erin, thanks!
Gardner in CF -
did you mean Tex as DH or do you want Tex at 1b?
LGY -
I almost entered your lineup. I see lineups, I copy & paste automatically.
Just think, if Ortiz had admitted to using, the way Alex did, perhaps all of this ugly baseball karma might have just drifted away.
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Perhaps if Ortiz were to bury his jersey at Fenway Park. after all, it worked with the Yankees last year….since they “reversed the curse”.
“For the record, it’s still not in the spirit of punishment imo. Whether it’s mitre or volquez. Yankee or non-Yankee. ”
No, it’s not. But rules are rules.
If fans would like him to change the rules, I’d suggest 2 things.
1.) Start a petition.
2.) Figure out a way for the league office to determine when a player is legitimately healthy or not.
nick,
point6seconds@gmail.com
michelle: email already sent
Don’t worry, Trembly and the Orioles will do their usual “bend over…grab ankles” routine when they play Boston.
With Ellsbury, Cameron and Felix Pie all hitting the DL today, NYYs are lucky to have players like Granderson, Swisher, Gardner, Winn and Thames on the roster and healthy. Spare outfielders are getting tough to find.
Add Conar Jackson to the DL today and a scramble for an outfielder is making NYY look pretty good. Add to the 4 that they have in AAA and, they can deal with a short term outfield injury as long as it’s not Granderson.
GB, Golson and Winfree seem to be doing pretty well in AAA
“Add to the 4 that they have in AAA”
Who’s the first up if needed? Golson or Winfree (considering Weber is in freefall).
trenton game against NH should be interesting. Bleich is starting and pitching well.
Sean Black is starting for Charleston. Both games are free feeds on radio.
CB April 20th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
The Sox are very fortunate that the next two weeks they are playing the orioles then the jays then the orioles again.
Those two teams are just so bad. They sox are going to be able to stabilize over this stretch of games.
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On the other hand, pressure’s on for them to do well against those horrible teams, right? Because if they can’t beat up on those teams…. ouch.
First of what we hope will be many there and eventually here for the yanks as well.
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.....#038;_mp=1
Who cares if he is serving it while out with an injury anyway. Whoopidy Doo.
The league has far more important things they could do to better themselves.
One would be removing Boston’s organization from the league.
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tex’s friend
Erica
upstate kate
Warning Track Power
Erin
BBFan
NYY626
Phil Columbus
YanksfaninPA
Noreaster
RayVT
Fran (the original)
Dave F
AL Duque
Gardner in CF
David in Cal
RL15
antisocial scrooge
Rock the vote. Make sure that Girardi can pencil in his guys.
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I can’t believe it’s time to vote for All-Stars already!
And I love that Girardi gets to manage the game!!!!
Depending on whether the need is for a corner or a center fielder, though Winfree can play center field, too. They have Golson, Winfree, Curtis and Chad Huffman who has been hitting pretty well. I never considered Weber, who isn’t in freefall, because he hasn’t hit since he left the big camp in ST.
My guess is because of the glove and speed, Golson gets the first crack if needed…at least, right now, although Huffman is the only one of the four on the 40 man roster.
Jeter
Swisher
Tex
Arod
Cano
Posada
Thames
Granderson
Winn
Ninja Burglar -
Can you put positions in please? Thanks.
No more lineups.
Doreen,
Look harder. Ninjas are stealth.
New Post: Regular starters for Yankees
“On the other hand, pressure’s on for them to do well against those horrible teams, right? ”
If they can’t turn things around in a big way over the next 10-12 games their season could really spiral.
The yankees just beat texas to a pulp. If the Rangers go into Fenway and take the series the pressure will just continue to mount.
But the orioles and Jays are just so bad. I can’t see them not running up numbers against those clubs.
They will be vulnerable to left hand pitching.
GB, unless he turns into the Aaron Small version of an outfielder, I would say that McDonald may not be enough to cause the ship to miss that iceberg straight ahead.
Read a remark today on here about Eduardo Nunez still butchering plays at shortstop. He’s had 2 errors, but, both are at 2nd base, not shortstop. He’s played 2nd base in 17 games. Though it’s still to early to say he’s got it figured out at shortstop, he’s looked great out there, so far. He turned two more DPs today (5 in 8 games) with 12 putouts and 23 assists….no errors.
trisha, McDonald isn’t going to make anymore of an impact than a rowboat hitting an icecube (to follow your Titanic reference).
“But the orioles and Jays are just so bad. I can?t see them not running up numbers against those clubs.”
We must not be watching the same Jays!
The Jays are currently 4th in the AL in team batting. (The Yanks are 3rd). The Suxers are 11th.
And while Toronto is 9th in team pitching, the Suxers are 12th.
Unless they resurrect like the Phenix, I don’t see them holding off the Jays.
“trisha, McDonald isn?t going to make anymore of an impact than a rowboat hitting an icecube (to follow your Titanic reference).”
Banning so-called PEDs is vile. Unless they also prohibit all other drugs–from Ritalin to antibiotics–that both have the potential for enhancing performance and carry the risk of dangerous side effects.
As for sending messages, if Mark McGwire can keep every penny of his earnings and coach in the major leagues, then there’s absolutely no point in suspending a guy like Edinson Volquez.