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Postgame notes: A complete game, a triple play and a loss

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Apr 22, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees Athletics Triple Play Baseball

So the Yankees turned a triple play, hit two home runs and got a complete game from CC Sabathia… but lost the game? “We had some weird things happen today,” Joe Girardi said.

The Yankees still won the series, and the details of a 4-2 game in April will probably be forgotten by August. Even the weird argument between Dallas Braden and Alex Rodriguez will be mostly forgotten within a month.

But the triple play will be worth remembering.

“I didn’t think that was a triple play at all,” Girardi said. “You don’t see it very often like that, where the guy has to take a step to his right and then run to the bag.”

CC Sabathia called it “just straight lucky” that Kurt Suzuki rolled over a changeup down and away. It got to Rodriguez quickly, and he went to his right to step on third base before twirling to throw to second. That’s where Robinson Cano made the quick turn.

“It feels like a double play,” Cano said. “But when you walk off the field, you see the fans giving you a standing ovation so we must have done something good.”

Here’s Girardi’s postgame session with the media.

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Not such a good day for CC Sabathia, who walked six for the second time in his career. The last time was in 2004, also in Oakland.

“I was all over the place,” Sabathia said. “Didn’t really have command of anything. Changeup was decent, but that was the only thing that really kept me in the game.”

When Sabathia walked the lead-off hitter and the No. 3 hitter on four pitches in the first inning, Dave Eiland came to the mound to talk to his ace. Sabathia’s next pitch was a three-run home run by Suzuki, which stood as the difference in the game.

Sabathia’s first two walks came around to score, and his lead-off walk in the fourth — plus Cano’s throwing error — led to the A’s fourth run.

“I think I might have walked their lefties four times, and that’s just ridiculous,” Sabathia said.

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• Rodriguez said he was expecting a bunt on the triple play ball. He also called his throw to second base, “a little Hail Mary.”

• Cano’s throwing error in the fourth ended a 12-game errorless streak for the Yankees.

• Mark Teixeira was 1-for-4 with a home run and seemed to hit balls hard all game. “Probably the four best at-bats I’ve had all year,” he said.

• Even with the loss, the Yankees have won each of their first five series this season. The franchise hadn’t done that since 1926. “You like to leave on a winning note,” Girardi said. “But the bottom line is we won this series and we’re going to try to win another one in Anaheim.”

• Francisco Cervelli has now started three games — all with Sabathia on the mound — and he has five hits. This was his second straight two-hit game.

• With today’s home run, Marcus Thames is batting .545 with a .909 slugging percentage against lefties this season.

• Sabathia has two complete games this season. One was a rain-shortened game, the other was a loss.

With that, I’m off to the airport to catch a flight to Los Angeles. A two hour, seven minute game on get-away day is a good thing. See you all in Anaheim.

All three pictures are from the Associated Press. The top is of Alex Rodriguez after after the triple play, and the bottom is of Robinson Cano during the triple play.

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410 Responses to “Postgame notes: A complete game, a triple play and a loss”

  1. antisocial scrooge April 22nd, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    quick game! joe west would’ve enjoyed it.

  2. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Alex is probably out having a nice dinner and not thinking at all about Braden.

  3. Josh April 22nd, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Buchholz having a Hughes-esque outing today

    3.1 IP, 1 H, 6 K

  4. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    I’ve never seen a triple play before; I’m going to catch the replay now…

    Eh, just an ok game for CC, but with that, he still kept us in the game.

    Nice to see Thames picking up where he left off in ST.

  5. Jeremy April 22nd, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    repost
    The comparisons between Jeter and Arod are stupid. The fans and the media just want to create an issue. It doesn?t matter what A-rod does. He could help win this team win 5 world series in a row and the fans and media will still hate him.

  6. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Buchholz has good stuff, so it’s no surprise. I would like to see him fail, but that’s probably not going to happen. Since we have Phil, it doesn’t bother me as much.

  7. jz166 April 22nd, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    how could they lose to lowly OAK?!

  8. LGY April 22nd, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    Who is announcing this game on MLB Network?

  9. pat April 22nd, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    A testament to Alex and Robbie’s arm strength and reflexes turning a triple play on someone who runs pretty well for a catcher.

  10. Jeremy April 22nd, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    The Rangers have no answers for Boston. Are the Rangers this bad or are they in a slump ?

  11. jz166 April 22nd, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Dallas Braden is a f??king fa??ot

  12. Nick in SF April 22nd, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    “Nick in SF……I’m certain this will get lots of play in the Bay Area……”

    Only a slightly bigger blip. The A’s don’t get much play at all around here in general but the NFL draft will totally drown out what happened today.
    The A’s beat writers will talk about it, but I bet this story will get more play on espn/mlb than it does around the Bay.

  13. pistol pete April 22nd, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    Boy I’m glad Cashman signed Johnson to DH instead of Damon or Matsui, he has such power, speed, and is so versatile. He’s clearly inferior to Damon in the 2 hole, he has no speed, less power, lower ops and is unproven in the playoffs. Versus Matsui he has less power, experience, and Matsui kills left handed pitching. I didn’t get it when he did it, I don’t get it now. Would someone please explain Johnson, I can’t.

  14. Kevin S. April 22nd, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    Sure, he’ll make fifty fewer outs than Damon or Matsui over the course of 650 PA.

    Oh, and this is how “proven” Damon is in the playoffs: .279/.328/.455. If I was to judge hitters by fifty-game samples, I know that’s what I’d want from my DH.

  15. Jeremy April 22nd, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    Is Nick Johnson the new Cody Ransom ? I love how some Yankee fans still complain even when things aren’t bad. How come the fans aren’t all over Tex and Swish as well ?

    Honestly if you check out NJ’s career you will see that he is a productive hitter and that average will not stay that way for long.

  16. XLJ April 22nd, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Jeremy April 22nd, 2010 at 8:15 pm
    repost
    The comparisons between Jeter and Arod are stupid. The fans and the media just want to create an issue. It doesn?t matter what A-rod does. He could help win this team win 5 world series in a row and the fans and media will still hate him.

    ——————————————-

    I agree I could careless if he doesn’t act like Jeter. The yanks wouldn’t have won a world series last year without A-Rod. He is a great ballplayer and I enjoy watching him play. Braden is irrelevant who cares what he says.

  17. pat April 22nd, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    There’s a “Miss Manners” of baseball and his name is Michael Duca. Who knew?

    “Michael Duca, co-author of “The Baseball Codes: Beanballs, Sign Stealing and Bench-Clearing Brawls: The Unwritten Rules of America’s Pastime,” said the running-over-the-mound rule was known better years ago.

    “It was a very common but no longer very well known unwritten rule,” Duca told FanHouse. “It was very common in the ’40s, ’50s and ’60s. Bob Gibson was very well versed in protecting what he called his office. He told people to say the … out of my office. Had that been Gibson on the mound, A-Rod would have picked himself off the grass to get back to first. He would have decked him. No question about it.”

  18. jennifer April 22nd, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    LGY i don’t know but who ever they are they are awful. They played a clip of the A’s pitchers comments. He made the comment that if he does it again there will be repercussions. they said i wish it wound up on the cutting room floor because Bob Watson pays attention to things like that SO they basically wanted him to be able to drill Alex without anyone knowing there was intent there.

  19. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 22nd, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    “Trishalicious, you do rock I must admit. Yo man must be one happy mo fo :0″

    melkman, I must admit I am one happy mo fo!

    :)

  20. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Jeremy, it’s frustrating to see Nick slumping like this, but he’s a good hitter and always has been. I am sure he’s been in slumps before – it’s only a big deal because now he’s on our team. These same clowns will be cheering for him when he does well, but they sure won’t pop back on these boards to admit they were wrong.

  21. pat April 22nd, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    “Who is announcing this game on MLB Network?”

    Definitely Magrane. I think the other is Vasgersian.

  22. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    Vasgersian and Magrane are two of the more boring announcers on TV and the worst MLB has to offer.

  23. LGY April 22nd, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    I want to watch this game, but this announcing is just painful to listen to. Magrane’s voice is hurting my ears.

  24. RMS April 22nd, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    What is the big deal about Nick Johnson? He is in a slump and he will break out of it.

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    Alex is not Jeter so don’t expect him to act like him. Alex is however a great baseball player.

  25. upstate kate April 22nd, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    Pat
    thanks for researching that. I didn’t see the incident, but it doesn’t sound like Arod did it on purpose to upset the pitcher.

    I don’t understand fans not supporting our players. There are many players from last year’s team I miss, for that matter, I still miss Abreu. That’s life in MLB…time to move on

  26. BJK April 22nd, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    pistol pete April 22nd, 2010 at 8:26 pm
    Boy I’m glad Cashman signed Johnson to DH instead of Damon or Matsui, he has such power, speed, and is so versatile. He’s clearly inferior to Damon in the 2 hole, he has no speed, less power, lower ops and is unproven in the playoffs. Versus Matsui he has less power, experience, and Matsui kills left handed pitching. I didn’t get it when he did it, I don’t get it now. Would someone please explain Johnson, I can’t.

    —————————————————————————————–

    I’ll take a crack at it.

    Cashman preferred Damon over Matsui because Damon can play the OF. Matsui didn’t want to wait around to see how the Damon negotiations went out, so he signed a contract with the Angels pretty quickly. Cashman did not choose Johnson over Matsui. Matsui was already gone.

    Then, Damon was being ridiculous with his contract demands. Johnson had an offer from another team. If Cashman didn’t move on Johnson, Damon would have been the only option left and the Yankees would have had to pay crazy money for him.

    So, in conclusion, Nick Johnson is a Yankee because Damon had outrageous contract demands.

    Now stop whining about it.

    Then, Damon was being ridiculou

  27. Rob B April 22nd, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    The other night, somebody on another blog pointed out something interesting about the stadium in Oakland. Right behind home plate there seem to be doors that lead to a concourse, or something. Watching the game, we could see movement through those doors all night long. I wonder if that movement is distracting enough that CC has a hard time dealing with it. It seems that most stadiums don’t have concourse accesses that low; thus they aren’t right in the line of sight of the pitcher.

    I know that some people will say, “well, every pitcher has to deal with it.” But we all know there are “pet peaves” that upset some people more than others. Since the only two times CC has walked 6 batters in a game are in Oakland, could this be a reason?

    Just a thought.

  28. whatever April 22nd, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    The Yankees have shown NO ABILITY to come back in games in which they trail in games this year.. IT IS A CONCERN.

  29. RMS April 22nd, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    BJK

    I agree with everything you said except one thing. Cashman had no intention of signing Matsui.

  30. Rob B April 22nd, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    # whatever April 22nd, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    The Yankees have shown NO ABILITY to come back in games in which they trail in games this year.. IT IS A CONCERN.
    ———–

    Oh, sure, this is a HUGE concern. Oh, wait…how many games have they lost again? Don’t need to come back if you are already winning the game, do you?

  31. BJK April 22nd, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    RMS April 22nd, 2010 at 8:48 pm
    BJK

    I agree with everything you said except one thing. Cashman had no intention of signing Matsui.

    —————————————————————————————-

    That may very well be true.

  32. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) April 22nd, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    God, the trolls are out in force tonight.

  33. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    They have come back, several times, but I’m not about to respond to that twit with details.

  34. RMS April 22nd, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    “The Yankees have shown NO ABILITY to come back in games in which they trail in games this year.. IT IS A CONCERN”

    Only to you.

  35. CR9 April 22nd, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    9 K’s through 6 innings.

    Betsy

    Buchholz really isnt pitching that great. No help from umpires, I must admit, but this Rangers team look like their dead from their 6 game losing streak. They just want to get out of Boston as quick as possible.

  36. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 22nd, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    “About the research promised to present us with the ancient alledged Posada/aj problems, and other Posada related BS? no rush. The guy you are presenting this to doesn?t care. And most others have moved on too. Including Posada and aj.”

    DT, you drop in to post this and then just disappear? See if I didn’t have to bother with the research I’d be a happier-than-even mo fo because it’s really time consuming. What I DON’T want is for some malcontent to come around and say that I never produced the goods. If you were still around I’d tell everyone you gave me permission to take my time.

    I have a better idea. I’ll take my time and find the stuff and I’ll post it when I find it. That way nobody will accuse me of going back on my word.

    Here’s a clue: I didn’t volunteer to find the stuff, I was asked to produce it. By more than one person. Since I can’t be sure that they made you their proxy, I think I better just find it.

    :)

  37. CR9 April 22nd, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    We lost one, 1, uno, game, and trolls are on the site full of fans of the 27 time World Champions, trying to stir trouble.

    You’d think they might try to stir up trouble when the Sox pull within 1 of the Yankees in World Series titles, like say in the year 3056.

  38. rover April 22nd, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Would someone name the last player they saw to retrace is steps and follow the lines back from third to first on a foul ball. I’ve never seen it period. Now if Arod had rounded third a bit, he might have actuall touched the dirt on the mound. But the point is to my knowledge there is no rule. Braden is a weeny for piping up.

  39. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Quick, someone get out the garlic……..oh wait, that’s for vampires. Well, maybe it will work on trolls as well.

  40. GC April 22nd, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Can you quit it with the whining about Johnson? The season is 15 games old, he’s slumping, and he’s STILL getting on base at a nearly 40 percent clip. Once he starts hitting (which he will, like he’s done for his entire career) he is going to be a tremendous asset at the top of the order. What does it tell you when this team’s 2 and 3 hitters are hitting a combined .250 and the team is still steamrolling opponents to an 11-4 record?

    Damon has hardly killed it so far this year, he still hasn’t homered and has a grand total of 2 extra base hits. Matsui has hit, but there’s no reason not to expect that. I think Cash simply thought it was best to move on amicably in the latter case and actually made an honest attempt at bringing the former back. Trust me, I wasn’t an advocate of letting both go. Had it been up to me simply based on emotion both of them would have been back. But I’ve realized that Johnson at 1 year, 5 million offers a lot of flexibility and that he’s a good bet to outproduce both Johnny and Matsui.

    A year from now you’re going to be looking at a Posada/Montero rotation at DH and catcher. This isn’t a bad problem to have in the meantime.

  41. SJ44 April 22nd, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    11-4 and morons are whining. Funny how it’s always the same morons.

    Must have been dropped on their heads as babies to become so stupid.

  42. jennifer April 22nd, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    I see the sky is falling crew is out tonight. The Yankees lost their 4th game of the season. they’ve won every single series they’ve played. Some people (idiots) wouldn’t be happy unless the Yankees were 162-0 and even than they’d find something to complain about.

  43. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    CR, come on……..he’s got 9 K’s through 6. I personally don’t care what he’s doing; I only care about what Phil did and what the Yankees do. Still, you’re being unfair, IMO.

  44. becca April 22nd, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    “The Yankees have shown NO ABILITY to come back in games in which they trail in games this year.. IT IS A CONCERN”

    I haven’t read this site in like weeks but it’s good to see the trolls (hey whatever, were you watching the Boston series? Also, today was the first time the Yankees trailed in 54 innings.) and idiots (true Yankees!!!!!!) are still around.

  45. pistol pete April 22nd, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    Kevin S You must have missed last years world series. Damon changed the series in game 4 with his 2 out 10 pitch at bat vs Lidge, a steal of second, then one of the most heads up plays in world series history with the steal of 3rd. Damon scored the go ahead run, mo closed, up 3 games to one and the series was over. If Damon makes out you never see Rivera a good possibility we lose in extras we’re tied 2/2 with Burnett up next which would have put us down 3/2 and comong home with 2 guys on 3 days rest. You’re right Damon’s not a clutch playoff player. If you’d like to know walk down the dugout and ask Javy Vazquez , did you forget game 7 that year at Yankee Stadium when Damon’s 2 hr’s were the difference and released the demons in Boston that stood for 86 years. Forget your stats, watch the games, see who has the nuts to play when its on the line, don’t embarass yourself to compare Johnson to Damon or Matsui. Johnson has spent a third of his career on the dl, is slow, not versatile and unproven in the playoffs, get real.

  46. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    Trolls will be trolls, so please ignore them. The supposedly rational fans are losing their heads, lol. Nick Johnson is a GOOD hitter. He’s also HUMAN. That means he makes mistakes and sometimes goes into a slump. Deal with it.

  47. CR9 April 22nd, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Betsy

    I’m not being unfair. Seriously, aside from their pitcher Wilson and David Murphy working a couple ABs against Buchholz, the rest of the offensive team is hacking at everything. Not even like Buchholz is pumping strikes all game. He’s really not. The Rangers are just swinging.

  48. Jeremy April 22nd, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Betsy
    Yeah you’re right. Some of the posters will find someone else to blame once NJ starts hitting.

  49. pat April 22nd, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    “A-Rod has started one other triple play in his career, against the Red Sox on Aug. 6, 2001. It also came on a ball hit by a catcher, Scott Hatteberg”

  50. LGY April 22nd, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    Pat,

    Did you take the over or under on the Rangers?

  51. timo April 22nd, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    Yanks lost and I can’t stop smiling. Watched the triple play unfold from an upper seat behind home plate. Surprised when Alex went to second instead of first; then the recognition that Cano had the time. Out of my seat with hands in air with ball leaving Cano’s hand. My seatmate was at the concession stand. I tried not to rub it in too much.

    Also able to take in Hughes’s performance last night. If Master had pulled off the no-no, plus the triple manuever today, they could have put it on my tombstone.

    Neither would have topped “the flip” though.

  52. GC April 22nd, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    What’s scary is that I don’t think people are fully comprehending how good this team could be.

    They have 5 starters who on any given day are capable are masquerading as #1s for any team in the league. Our fifth starter is a 23 year old who last night looked like a young Roy Halladay, dominating hitters with 1 pitch- a fastball- without completely overwhelming velocity. The Chamberlain/Rivera duo at the end of games is the best in baseball and if Joba continues to improve could become flat out unfair. And if a starting pitcher for this team ever goes less than 7 innings I’d say your 2009 AL K/9 leader is a pretty decent option in the seventh.

    The offense is slamming people while getting nil from Teix and virtually nil from Johnson. Once those two get going, if Gardner can keep playing at this level, I can’t speak enough to how impossible they will be to pitch to.

    Does anyone realize just how good this team is from top to bottom? I see legitimate potential for this to be one of the greatest Yankee teams of all time because I just don’t see any way you COULD improve it.

  53. Kevin S. April 22nd, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    pistol pete – Damon’s had over 250 postseason PA. Only three count now? That matters more than anything else? Are people born this stupid, or do they have to be trained for it.

    Look, I don’t think that Damon’s postseason numbers mean he can’t produce in the playoffs or whatever. I happen to think that handling the pressures of being a major league player is huge enough, and that what people attribute to “clutch skill” is usually just small-sample variation. But if you’re going to claim somebody’s a clutch playoff god, you might want to make sure he hasn’t underperformed his typical performance level in the playoffs.

  54. Rob B April 22nd, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    The Yankees are leading the AL in OBP at .372. Damn that Nick Johnson. I mean, who else can go 0-2 in a game and still score 3 runs?

    BTW, the next AL East team in OBP is Tampba Bay…50 points lower at .322.

  55. tiger April 22nd, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Who has a lower ERA, Clay or Hughes?

  56. tiger April 22nd, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    another sox walkoff brewing at fenway field. I called it all the way. :(

  57. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Clay Bucchholz looks tremendous tongith. He’s back to throwing from that lower arm slot he was throwing from the end of last season. He’s commanded his fastball very well and it’s had nice movement. His slider has been very impressive. Probably the best I’ve seen him throw it.

    That said – on the few occassions where there’s been a runner on base he really gets distracted and slows his pace down badly.

  58. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 18 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    As I expected:

    “WEEI.com’s Rob Bradford heard from a source Thursday that the Red Sox plan to send Tim Wakefield to the bullpen when Daisuke Matsuzaka returns.”

  59. GC April 22nd, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    Johnson is unproven in the playoffs Pistol? I guess you’re too young to remember a certain bomb off a said Derek Lowe in 2003. That’s right, you have a selective memory.

    Also, STOP BLAMING VAZQUEZ for 2004. That series was over as soon as Ortiz’s drive touched down in right field and anyone who actually expected to win game seven was flat out retarded. I was down the upper deck and out the door as soon as Torre came to get Brown because I knew that game was over.

    Vazquez pitched the entire second half when he had no business being on a major league mound. He did it because he knew the team had virtually nothing else to turn to and that his sore arm would be a better bet than anything else they could concoct. Vazquez was a gamer the first time around and will continue to be this year.

  60. tiger April 22nd, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    Dulles Braden jawing because they won. he’d be chewing a diff. tune if they had lost.

  61. Pat M. April 22nd, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    Rover, Branden alleges that Alex ran right over and on top of the mound, even making contact with the rubber………I find the entire incident rather on the humorous side, including Alex’s comments…….Big Bad NY Yankees, who have spanked the A’s 14 out the past 18 games, thus the door / floor mat remark…….I give the guy credit for calling out the 4 time MVP, although the payback will be substantial………Well Watson gets fist dibs…….SJ, how’s The Nephew ???? Still on a tear, and how’s the shoulder ????

  62. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    OK, CR, but then you have to discredit the Yankee pitchers for their success against the Rangers….

    Jeremy, that’s so true. Unfortunately NJ will take the brunt of it because he’s replacing a legend in our own time, lol…. I’m not happy with Nick seemingly being happy to take a walk, but even if I were worried, wow – it’s 2 weeks into the season.

  63. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 18 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    CB,

    Buchholz’s changeup, which always projected as a plus pitch, is working well tonight also.

    That may be in part due to the Rangers aggressive hitters, but he’s keeping them off guard very well.

  64. tiger April 22nd, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    So who’s better, Hughes or Clay?

  65. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 18 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    Of course Tito left Clay in too long…

    2-0 Rangers

  66. Rob B April 22nd, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    # tiger April 22nd, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Who has a lower ERA, Clay or Hughes?
    ——————

    Laptops gave up 4 runs in his last start, but they were all unearned. If it weren’t for that, he would have a lower ERA.

    Hey, look! Another SB for Cruz! Man, those Boston catchers are grrreeeeat!

  67. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    Martinez is a bad catcher. That said, Red Sox pitchers are just awful holding runners on base.

    Watching Buchholz pitch with men on base you almost get the sense that he wasn’t really instructed on how to hold runners.

    And the stolen base really hurts Clay. Cruz scores easily from second.

    Buchholz really loses his composure with men on base. Teams are going to start bunting on him to try to get men on early.

  68. tiger April 22nd, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    come on, steal third, steal home

  69. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 18 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    “So who’s better, Hughes or Clay?”

    ————–

    who cares?

    The Yanks are better than the Sox right now. That’s all I care about.

  70. Rob B April 22nd, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    ***Hughes would have a lower ERA

  71. pistol pete April 22nd, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    GC Let’s not get carried away

  72. CR9 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Betsy

    Whatever. I guess I’m wrong, anyways. Im not into the mechanics of pitchers, because I dont understand them. But CB says he is pitching well.

    His fastball does have movement tonight, but many of his pitches are well out of the strike zone, and prior to this 7th inning, the Rangers were just flailing away.

  73. Jeremy April 22nd, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Betsy
    I know. You would think the Yankees are in last place and it’s the middle of the season based on some of these posters. Some people need to get a grip.

  74. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    BD,

    The change up is almost a given with Clay. It’s his most consistent pitch. It’s almost always good.

    It’s his fastball that really comes and goes. His slider is a much better pitch from the lower arm slot. His curve isn’t what it used to be.

    His pace on the mound with men on base is very poor.

  75. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 22nd, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    ?The Yankees have shown NO ABILITY to come back in games in which they trail in games this year.. IT IS A CONCERN?

    :lol:

    Coming back and winning the game? Coming back as in revving it up and almost winning? Most teams with the L obviously didn’t come back and win. And as someone already pointed out, with an 11-4 record, I can’t get worked up about the Ls.

    Ability to come back in the 4 losses? Except for one game, the scores in the losses were all within 2 runs.

    Now if you want to be really CONCERNED, your team is once again behind the 8 ball. Their starting pitching has sucked and the only team they could beat up on after losing a ton AT HOME is a very beaten down Rangers team.

    But I am enjoying watching them do what they do best. Lose.

    That makes me the happiest mo fo you’d ever want to meet!

  76. upstate kate April 22nd, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    timo
    lucky you!

  77. whos April 22nd, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    nice, laptop is falling apart. I love watching the sox lose.

  78. GC April 22nd, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    I’m not getting carried away. You remind me a lot of my dad who I have to constantly remind to keep things in perspective. I never understood why people blamed Vazquez for 2004 and it still boggles my mind to this day. It’s completely unreasonable. You want someone to blame for 2004? Blame Mariano Rivera. He had his chance to end the series and didn’t. And if your fishing for someone else? Tom Gordon. We all know what happened in game five.

    And if you really are fishing, blame the Gods for simply wanting the curse to end, because I’ve never quite understood how or why Tony Clark’s ball bounced over the wall for a ground rule double.

  79. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    I have no idea who’s better because I have no clue how to judge such things, but I couldn’t possibly be any happier with Phil than I am. I have a great deal of faith in him and I know he’s going to be a wonderful pitcher.

    CR, I don’t mean to get on your case – and you’re not necessarily wrong; I’m just trying to be fair to Buchholz.

  80. Nick in SF April 22nd, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    No Aluala for you, Belichick! :evil:

  81. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    Maybe Damon should call Buchholz out, lol

  82. CR9 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    What a defensive play by Youk. The ball takes a TERRIBLE hop to the right of him, and he throws his barehand back to knock it down, then runs toward the OF grass to pick it up, and throw out Davis at 1B.

  83. LGY April 22nd, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    Did the Red Sox just pitch out with a man on 3rd?

  84. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    The Rangers really need to start the Justin Smoak era. Davis has been figured out.

    Why are the sox pitching out with a man on third? Base runners are really in their head. Teagarden doesn’t hit at all but all he needs to do is hit a ground ball

  85. Rob B April 22nd, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    People keep talking about how great Laptops is pitching. Uh, Wilson is two-hitting Boston in the bandbox.

  86. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    Jeremy, I’m pretty proud of myself, lol. Last year I would have let one lousy stinking loss upset me; now I’m the voice of reason, lol. The Yanks probably had a lovely dinner upon arrival in Anaheim and didn’t think about the game at all – well, maybe CC did.

  87. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 18 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    CB,

    No doubt CB.

    I watched tape on Buchholz when he first came up and I believed all the hype because his changeup looked unbelievable. It looked identical to the fastball.

    But I overlooked that his fastball would be so straight and assumed that a pitcher of his ranking would be able to locate the fastball better (which has been an issue at time).

    Thankfully, he’s been inconsistent so far in his career.

    and his slider does look as good as I’ve seen it yet.

  88. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    “People keep talking about how great Laptops is pitching. Uh, Wilson is two-hitting Boston in the bandbox.”

    Oh absolutely. CJ Wilson is a real good pitcher. That rangers staff is actually a pretty good one.

    Their pen is really bad outside of Feliz.

    It is a pretty bad sign for a left handed hitter to be able to hold the sox to 2 hits at fenway

    And more run prevention!

  89. Pat M. April 22nd, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    LGY…..According to my sheet, I ttok the Rangers under ( 83 )….I haven’t been to the club for the complete list on eveyone’s selections, including mine…I do recall at the last minute flipping on a few teams…..

  90. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    AT some point, Buchholz is going to need to find some consistency…….

  91. Rob B April 22nd, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    Edwar Ramirez has an unbelievable change up. Why isn’t he unhittable?

  92. LGY April 22nd, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    hhahha. Wow. That looked like a little league play. Nice defense.

  93. Jeremy April 22nd, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    Yeah hows that defense run prevention strategy working out Theo ? LMAO !

  94. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 18 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    For those not watching the Sox game,

    Team Defense (Sox) just comitted 2 straight errors allowing a run and a man to reach, and go ALL the way to 3rd.

    Its quite comical, actually.

  95. CR9 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    Betsy

    No. I understand.

    CB knows more about the fundamentals of pitching than me anyways. I’d take his word over my word. I tend to be a bit biased.

    My point exactly. 2-2 count to Taylor TeaGarden. The ball was 10 feet outside with a runner on 3rd and 1 out. The ball never looked like a strike. And TeaGarden swung wildly. Granted, Teagarden just is NOT good.

    But the Rangers get the run home with a great play.

  96. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 22nd, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    Wow. Now they’re starting to look more like themselves!

  97. whoa April 22nd, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    hahahahahaha this sox game is getting hilarious. goodbye laptop.

  98. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    What happened ?

  99. tiger April 22nd, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    So is that 3 Earned Runs?

  100. tiger April 22nd, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    Is that last run Earned?

  101. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    So the runs against Buchholz are unearned? Boy, he gets men on base and then he doesn’t get penalized for them scoring, lucky him!

  102. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 18 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    “CJ Wilson is a real good pitcher. That rangers staff is actually a pretty good one. ”

    ————-

    do you know what happened to Derek Holland? I haven’t really kept up on him but I expected him to make the rotation this year.

  103. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Hey, my call on teams bunting on Clay came to pass a bit earlier than I was anticipating.

    They are going to bunt on him more and more.

  104. Rob B April 22nd, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    Wow, two errors on one play? That’s run prevention for you!

  105. timo April 22nd, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    Yes, kate, lucky and grateful for the reminder why it’s worth going to the games and seeing plays whole rather than staying home and having to follow the camera. Looking forward to the pinstripes return in July.

  106. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    10 Ks for CB, but 114 pitches……….he was not quite as economical as Phil, lol.

  107. whoa April 22nd, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    vasgersion (sp) says so, but the scorer will probably change it.

  108. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 22nd, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    “nice, laptop is falling apart. I love watching the sox lose.”

    Ain’t it! I’m supposed to be going out but I have too much loyalty to the idea of trying to send as much negativity energy as I can to the Suxers. Going out will have to wait.

    :)

  109. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 18 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    Betsy,

    1 unearned so far.

    And he gets penalized with the loss and more tape of him stumbling with men on base.

    He’s going to develop a reputation very quickly that he gets easily rattled.

  110. Hit Girl April 22nd, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    If NJ goes another week without hitting, will he be moved down in the order and Granderson moved into the 2 spot?

  111. pat April 22nd, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    Run prevention.

  112. Rob B April 22nd, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    The 3rd run should be earned. The box score I’m looking at is calling it a bunt single. The errors just allowed Blanco to reach 3rd. And even if Blanco scores, that run might be earned, depending on what happens.

  113. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    BD-

    Holland just wasn’t and isn’t ready. He is really talented. I believe he’s in AAA.

    They have a good staff. They could afford to keep Holland in the minors. Keeping Wilson in the pen is a waste.

    The Rangers really should call up Tanner Scheppers and make him the set up guy. Don’t know what they are doing there.

    A Scheppers – Feliz back end to the pen would just be something else. That would be the hardest throwing back end in the game and it wouldn’t be close.

  114. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 18 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    CB,

    your predictions have been pretty spot on lately.

    1) Austin Jackson’s Avg would drop and he’d K more with his swing – I’m not sure if he HASN’T K’d in every at bat since you said that :)

    2) Teams will bunt for hits early on Clay – next batter, bunts

  115. Jeremy April 22nd, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    That defense run prevention strategy is really working for the Sox. How could that be their strategy when they have the worst defense so far.

  116. CR9 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    BD

    Wasnt that bunt ruled a hit and then an error.

    It was a rather difficult play to make to get the guy out. Therefore, it should be a single and earned run and RBI. Then the error to let the guy to 2nd.

    Then the error by someone else to allow the guy to 3rd.

    No?

  117. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    BD, that’s a good point. I would not want that repuation, no matter how good my stuff was.

    Were you on the board last night? I don’t recall seeing you around…

  118. Jeremy April 22nd, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    I love that Evan Longoria commerical they just showed.

  119. Andrea April 22nd, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    I kind of love when people call him Laptops. I feel like that something that should be talked about a LOT more.

  120. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 18 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    CB,

    That is pretty scary. And at this point, with the AL West wide open, they might not have much to lose.

    Pittsburgh and their swiss cheese rotation and bullpen is going to regret letting Scheppers get away.

    And Texas stole him in the 2nd rd as it is.

  121. randy l. April 22nd, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    situation:

    texas runner on third , 2 outs. 2-0 texas

    texas hitter drags bunts down first baseline and buchholz fields it and rushes and throws the ball over youkillis’ head and run scores and bunter ends up on third.

    here’s my question?

    how often are errors made on bunts?

    the reason i’m asking is that i have always thought that a good bunter really puts pressure on the defense to execute when it’s a pressure situation.

    i know it’s often giving up an out or in this case taking the bat out of the hitters hand, but in this case it did pressure the red sox into throwing the ball around.

    i wonder if there are any stats on how many errors happen on bunts.
    i think if there are , it’ll be surprising how much more effective bunting is than what people think.

  122. Rob B April 22nd, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    CB April 22nd, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    “People keep talking about how great Laptops is pitching. Uh, Wilson is two-hitting Boston in the bandbox.”

    Oh absolutely. CJ Wilson is a real good pitcher. That rangers staff is actually a pretty good one.

    Their pen is really bad outside of Feliz.

    ————————

    Even after getting swept by the Yankees in The Stadium, Texas was second to Oakland in the AL in ERA. They’ve since slipped to 8th. If they manage to keep the S*x off the board for this game, that will help them move back up the list.

  123. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    “He’s going to develop a reputation very quickly that he gets easily rattled.”

    He already has that reputation, I’d guess. That’s why blanco bunted on him.

  124. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Texas has not acquitted themselves well against the Yankees or the Sox…

  125. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 18 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    CR9,

    It was a throwing error on Buchholz and then an error on Adrian “Brooks Robinson” Beltre.

    A good throw by Clay gets the out easily and the score would be 2-0 instead of 3.

  126. CR9 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    Andrea

    It should be talked about more.

    Similar to Kevin Faulk of the Patriots getting arrested for marijuana possession.

    You wont hear those things talked about in the media because the play for a certain city.

  127. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 18 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Betsy,

    I wasn’t online last night but I caught the game. I almost fell asleep at 9:30 but fought it so I could see Phil pitch (and it was obviously worth it).

  128. Jeremy April 22nd, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Washington better not blow this game. Bring in Feliz to close it out.

  129. Rob B April 22nd, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Boston has already allowed 9 unearned runs. The Yankees have only allowed 3. The only team that hasn’t given up an unearned run is Minnersota.

  130. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    BD, glad you made it through the game. I didn’t go to sleep until about 2 am; I was all hyped up for one and for another I was watching the post-game show, lol.

  131. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    randy-

    While I don’t have that data at hand, I don’t anticipate that it would be a significant factor given the overall number of bunt plays that occur.

    That said – I would have bunted on Clay frequently tonight. He doesn’t have a lot of composure out there at this stage in his career. It’s odd. Not sure why. He’s thrown over 30 starts and is almost 26.

  132. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Rob, wow – those are great stats.

  133. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 18 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    “the reason i’m asking is that i have always thought that a good bunter really puts pressure on the defense to execute when it’s a pressure situation.”

    ——————-

    sure. with a speedy runner like a Rajai Davis or Brett Gardner, it must go through the fielders mind that they have to make a perfect play to get the out, which can cause them to rush the play. It seems pretty obvious that’s what just happened to Buchholz.

    After hearing that Buchholz was one of the fastest players in the league from the Boston media, even beating Ellsbury in a foot race, I’m surprised Clay didn’t just run him down and make the tag :)

  134. pat April 22nd, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Can McDonald play hero again?

  135. tiger April 22nd, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    McDonald tied it again!!!!!!!!

  136. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    Joe Magrane is a really bad announcer. Not rick sutcliffe but he’s a far cry from Smoltz.

  137. CR9 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    BD

    It looked like a difficult play to get the guy at first. That’s why I would think it’s a single, error on Buchholz, and then error on belTRE.

    But if they ruled it an unearned run, then I guess Im wrong :)

  138. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    LOL I hope not, Pat

  139. Andrea April 22nd, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    CR9: But it’s just too funny! He stole 29 laptops. I mean, really?

  140. tiger April 22nd, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    Jinx………..

  141. Rob B April 22nd, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    Wow, Boston has actually given up more runs total than Baltimore! :shock: The only AL team to give up more runs so far is KC.

    Run prevention. :lol:

  142. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Wait, the guy hit a 3 run HR ? !

  143. tiger April 22nd, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    Wow, Boston has actually given up more runs total than Baltimore! The only AL team to give up more runs so far is KC.

    Run prevention.

    ..
    Yet they are about to get third walkoff in a row.

  144. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    Wilson pitched a damned nice game for just his 3nd start since 2005. He’s pitched well all 3 games this year.

  145. Rob B April 22nd, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    Tiger…it’s the 7th inning. What’s this walk off talk?

  146. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 22nd, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    I agree about the Rangers rotation. They have some really solid starting pitching. And Neftali Feliz is tremendous in relief. Actually Oliver has done a nice job for them, and also Nippert. Not sure about the others.

    GO RANGERS!

  147. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    According to the score on ESPN, it’s still 3-0. Did I fall for the troll?

  148. LGY April 22nd, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    Both of these guys are terrible. MLB network has a talented staff. Whose bright idea was it to pair these 2 up?

  149. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    Looks like they are trying to bury Ortiz deep than an Ortiz jersey.

  150. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 22nd, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    The blush am off the rose.

    :)

  151. Jeremy April 22nd, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    Well McDonald failed in that situation.

  152. tiger April 22nd, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    the as s hole can’t do it again. HAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAaaa

  153. CR9 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    This CJ Wilson is a definite stud. Only 3 starts? Boy, what a future he has.

  154. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    Michael Young made a very nice play there. The Texas defense has been very bad this season.

    It is really quite damning that Tito didn’t pinch hit Ortiz in that spot against a side winding right hander.

    Really quite a statement. That essentiallymean ortiz has no role on the team.

  155. Rob B April 22nd, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    This is one of the best things I’ve seen all day: “D. McDonald grounded out to third”

    :)

  156. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    Wonder if Boston is trying to force Ortiz to ask for his release and maybe get a settlement.

  157. randy l. April 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    “While I don’t have that data at hand, I don’t anticipate that it would be a significant factor given the overall number of bunt plays that occur.”

    cb-

    i’ll see what i can find over the next week.

    i have a sneaking hunch it’s higher than we would think.

    it would be worth quantifying though either way.

    part of the problem is defining pressure situations and separating routine sacrifices from bunts like tonight.

  158. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 18 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    “Yet they are about to get third walkoff in a row.”
    ——————-

    If they keep giving up that many runs, they’ll be lucky to win 70 games.

    Whether 65 of them are walkoffs means absolutely nothing.

    They just cannot win games with this offense unless the pitching is among the league leaders… not in the league’s cellar.

  159. Giuseppe Franco April 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    There’s an NFL Draft going on and most people here are watching the stupid Red Sox?

    Damn. Don’t quite get that.

    I couldn’t care less about the Red Sox unless the Yanks are playing them.

  160. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    GB, you’re right. Wilson is really very good. I drafted him this year in fantasy but ended up having to drop him because the way the rules read, they would not consider him a starter. So I figured I’d wait out his 5 required starts and then get him again.

    Betsy, you fell for the troll.

  161. Pat M. April 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    They just announced that Fenway holds 37,000 now ????? Where do they sit ???? I haven’t been to the Fens in a few years, but I recall the joint barely holding 32 k, and this was after the Monster seats were added……

  162. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 22nd, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    There was a big fire at my beach club tonight :-(

    Most of the court next to mine burned down

  163. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 22nd, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    That’s one fast kid. He also has a heck of an arm. And always smiling. I like that.

    :)

  164. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 18 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    “Looks like they are trying to bury Ortiz deep than an Ortiz jersey.”

    ———————–

    lol

    CB is right. Perhaps the biggest AB in the game there against a righty-specialist and they leave the 5th OF in to face him and Papi on the bench.

  165. Rob B April 22nd, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    Giuseppe Franco April 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    There’s an NFL Draft going on and most people here are watching the stupid Red Sox?

    Damn. Don’t quite get that.
    ——————-

    I don’t get why people enjoy waiting around for a team to say who they are picking. Boooooring.

  166. RhapsodyInBlue April 22nd, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    “Looks like they are trying to bury Ortiz deeper then an Ortiz jersey.”

    http://i378.photobucket.com/al.....e_Papi.gif

  167. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    trisha – OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 22nd, 2010 at 9:32 pm
    The blush am off the rose.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Nah!!! I’ll bet Rose Nylan still blushes at Blanche’s remarks.

  168. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 18 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    GF,

    I am watching both :)

    15 min between picks. I like Gruden… but I don’t need to hear Berman and crew tell me how great every pick is.

  169. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    GF-

    Baseball is king! What fun is the draft. I was flipping back and forth before. The most amazing part of the draft is the way Mel Kiper is actually commenting on how coaches will view these players – and John Gruden is sitting right next to him!

    It’s great. Kiper is sitting next to a hall of fame player, a super bowl winning coach and an uber smart former middle line backer and he’s the one who keeps on babbling on and on.

    It’s just so strange. The guy with the least expertise is the expert.

  170. Giuseppe Franco April 22nd, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    # Rob B April 22nd, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    I don’t get why people enjoy waiting around for a team to say who they are picking. Boooooring.

    ———

    It’s the 1st Round. I might agree with you if we’re talking about the 4th or 5th round.

  171. Jeremy April 22nd, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    Pat M
    Isn’t that why they call fenway the Green Sardine Can. Trying to fit every last fan to get every last cent.

  172. LGY April 22nd, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    I could not care less about the NFL draft. Even if I did I don’t know how you sit around for 15 minutes between picks. The whole event is one of the most tedious and drawn out things I have ever seen.

    I also do not get the nightly bashing of people watching Red Sox games. People on here clearly enjoy watching baseball.

  173. pistol pete April 22nd, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    GC Did you say Johnson was versatile. In what respect. He can play 1st base but I think we have someone over there. Ever seen him try and play in the outfield. He’s a train wreck. He’s slow, has little power, and is brittle. Versatile, do you mean some time in the lineup some time on the DL. Explain versatile to me.

  174. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    I’d sort always hoped that NYYs would have picked Wilson for left handed relief. Never really thought of him as a starter. Hopefully, he can stand the load over the season. That’s quite an arm.

  175. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 18 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    what people should be watching is the Cavs vs Bulls game!!

    what a comeback by the Cavs to make it an interesting ending

    but looks like Bulls will hold on

  176. Nick in SF April 22nd, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Mel Kiper Jr. is bringing it!!!

  177. Rob B April 22nd, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    # Giuseppe Franco April 22nd, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    # Rob B April 22nd, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    I don’t get why people enjoy waiting around for a team to say who they are picking. Boooooring.

    ———

    It’s the 1st Round. I might agree with you if we’re talking about the 4th or 5th round.

    —–

    I was actually just kidding…a little. I’ve been looking in from time to time.

    Crazy that 4 of the first 6 were all Oklahoma players, especially after how bad they finished this past year.

  178. Giuseppe Franco April 22nd, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    CB,

    You’re right. That’s why I watch the NFL Network instead. Never was a big fan of Kiper, but always a big fan of Gruden.

    Gruden was doing the same thing last year on the NFL Network. Too bad for that network he left. He’s not only smart but hilarious.

  179. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Texas is playing really poor baseball. They can’t get the runner home from third with less than two outs.

    That’s just not good. That’s the kind of run unscored that you’ll invariably kick yourself for not getting home later.

  180. RhapsodyInBlue April 22nd, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    NJ killed pistol pete’s dog.

    Good grief.

  181. BD (Boston Dave) - NJ walk tracker = 18 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    Hope David Murphy can make his former team pay here.

    And another steal for Cruz against the Sox.

    for Fantasy purposes, it’s just not fair!

  182. Rob B April 22nd, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    oops, just noticed that 6th pick was Oklahoma St., not Oklahoma. Still, 3 or first 4. Crazy.

    And Gresham just became a future felon in training.

  183. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 22nd, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    CR9, Wilson started some games when he first came up in 2005 but had been converted to a reliever since. I think it’s pretty cool that he’s starting after having not done so for 5 years. It’s interesting on how decisions are made on moves such as that. I know he was lights out in relief for them last season.

  184. CR9 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    CB

    Joe Morgan, Orel Hershiser, Bob Brennly, You?

    I think I’m going with you for information.

    I dont know what you’re background is, but it’s apparent to me and most others on here that you have more knowledge than the experience of those like Hall of Famer Joe Morgan and World Series winning manager Bob Brennly.

  185. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    GF-

    I honestly forgot about the NFL network. Not a big football fan anymore.

    Just flipped on the NFL network and got away from Kiper.

    I was actually wondering what Gruden was doing next to mr hair products. Gruden really is very good on TV. Very enjoyable.

    It made it even more annoying that Kiper doesn’t shut up. He’s the guy you want to hear least.

    I’m more a casual football fan now. But I got to say – Ndamukong Suh is one of those jaw dropping human beings that is difficult to even conceptualize exists.

    The Rams better hope Bradford is good because Suh is just unbelievable.

  186. Bronx Jeers April 22nd, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    Texas is playing really poor baseball. They can’t get the runner home from third with less than two outs.

    That’s just not good. That’s the kind of run unscored that you’ll invariably kick yourself for not getting home later.

    —————————————————————————–

    Your predictions have been a bit too accurate lately.

    Please allow us our simple pleasure of watching the Sox drop one here!

  187. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    I see that Philadelphia has put JA Happ on the DL with elbow issues. That’s a big jolt if they can’t get Hamels back on track.

  188. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 22nd, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    “Nah!!! I?ll bet Rose Nylan still blushes at Blanche?s remarks.”

    :D

    That’s about the only blush that amn’t off the rose.

  189. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    CR9-

    Honestly – I don’t know 1/1000th of what those guys know about the game.

  190. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    trisha – OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 22nd, 2010 at 9:49 pm
    “Nah!!! I?ll bet Rose Nylan still blushes at Blanche?s remarks.”

    That’s about the only blush that amn’t off the rose.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I couldn’t think of a decent dig at The Muppetts.

  191. Giuseppe Franco April 22nd, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    CB,

    I would have never thought you’d be more of a fan of soccer than a fan of football. LOL.

    This is a deeper draft than we’ve seen the last few years. Lots of really good players are going to be available in the middle rounds.

  192. Jeremy April 22nd, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    joe magrane still talking about the Arod running across the mound issue. Will he give it a rest. He is such a Yankee hater.

  193. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 22nd, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    I couldn’t think of a decent dig at The Muppetts.

    ***********

    As well you shouldn’t!

    Okay, I am really sad and have to go sulk on my couch now. :-(

  194. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 22nd, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    Al Oliver.

    :)

  195. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 22nd, 2010 at 9:56 pm
    GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    I couldn’t think of a decent dig at The Muppetts.

    ***********

    As well you shouldn’t!

    Okay, I am really sad and have to go sulk on my couch now.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I could have thrown Miss Piggy under the bus, but, she wouldn’t fit.

  196. CR9 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    CB

    LOL

    Modesty. Spoken like Derek Jeter. If you didnt post during games, I might think you were him!

    Sorry, Im a believer that just because Joe Morgan is a Hall of Famer and Bob Brennly won a World Series, doesnt make them smarter or understand the game better than others.

    I find more knowledge in one of your posts regarding baseball than I have ever gotten in all my years listening to Tim McCarver or Joe Morgan on ESPN! And that’s an understatement!

  197. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 22nd, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    BD, do we have any injury allotment? I’m going to have at least 2 of my players on the DL. And I’d feel a whole lot better about the accuracy of the scoring if the total points for one of my players wasn’t less than the points he got today!

  198. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 22nd, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    “I couldn?t think of a decent dig at The Muppetts.”

    :D

    Nothing better than the peace of mind associated with watching the Sux lose in combination with GB’s funnies!!!

  199. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    GF-

    We talk about statistics in baseball a lot. I gotta say – the NFL draft may be the worst abuse of statistics in all of sports.

    It’s amazing and a great example of the enchantment of numbers.

    I used to be a very big football fan. But baseball just became a bigger and bigger interest.

    Also, with the salary cap and non-guaranteed contracts, football to me really became a pretty extreme example of rooting for the laundry. Just so much turnover from year to year.

    I really do enjoy soccer when it’s played well. It can be a really beautiful game. Probably more a team sport than any other in the sense that you can’t break it down to a series of individual/ one on one performances or encounters.

  200. Bronx Jeers April 22nd, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    After the game Schoenweiss is planning to write his sequel to “The Wreck of The Edmund Fitzgerald”

    http://turbo.inquisitr.com/wp-.....t-dead.jpg

  201. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    Trisha, Darren Oliver’s, Bob played for the Yankees for a little while. When he first came up,he really looked like he was going to be good, but, he sort of faded like Bob Hamlin and Joltin’ Joe Charboneau, just not quite that fast. He was a very servicab;e power hitting 1st baseman and pinch hitter.

  202. randy l. April 22nd, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    ” The guy with the least expertise is the expert.”

    cb-

    this is a sign of the times and one of my pet peeves.

  203. Giuseppe Franco April 22nd, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    Wow, Tebow is a Bronco.

  204. CR9 April 22nd, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    Yeaaaaa…

    The Rangers have Chris Ray up.

    Desperate for a win, Chris Ray.

    haha

    Looks like the Rangers dont care too much about this game.

  205. Bronx Jeers April 22nd, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    Yeah I wouldn’t mind if someone explained to me the pecking order of this Rangers pen.

    Feel free to explain it to Ron Washington as well.

  206. CR9 April 22nd, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    YES!

    I was soooo concerned that Timmy Tebow would be taken by the Patriots at some point.

    THANK GOD!

    Tim Tebow is one of the classiest human beings on this planet. I was hoping with all hope that Tim would not go to the Pats and be corrupted by Bill Belichick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  207. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    Two bullets off of the wall and Martinez has two singles. Wall giveth…Wall taketh away.

  208. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 22nd, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    NIRVANA!!!

    :D

  209. CR9 April 22nd, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    SOX LOSE!!!!!!!!!!

  210. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    Nice win for wilson and Texas

  211. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    randy-

    The kiper Gruden thing is just awesome. He’s sitting right next to a superbowl winning coach and he talking about what NFL coaches think.

    Outside of how intellectually vacuous this is – how can the man have so little sense of irony.

    It’s pretty clear on the broadcast that he’s a little insecure and trying to crowd the other guys out just by physically speaking more.

  212. Pat M. April 22nd, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Lowell looks like a defeated ballplayer….He trotted down the base path on a pop up earlier, and then now he displays zero hustle on a dp grounder…….Sad to see, as I’ve always like Mike Lowell….Theo, do him a favor and left him leave Boston

  213. Rob B April 22nd, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    Oh, wow. That’s sick.

    Just looked at Phil Hughes stats and saw that he has a BAA of .100. Sick.

  214. RhapsodyInBlue April 22nd, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    Sox lose time for a good snooze!

  215. Bronx Jeers April 22nd, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    I think Theo’s been trying to let him leave Boston for some time now.

  216. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Pat M.,

    Lowell more or less said he was going to retire at the end of this season.

    He looks like it as well.

    Very tough to devote two roster spots to him and Ortiz.

  217. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    Darren Oliver. You know GB, Oliver’s performance tonight made me think of pure excellence. That’s probably why I was thinking of Al Oliver!

    :D

  218. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    Nobody is likely to trade for either Lowell or Ortiz. They’ll just wait until they get put on waivers and after they expire, pick one up for the remainder of the minimum.

  219. hardwired April 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    two roster spots and $25M

    tough, indeed.

  220. Rich in NJ April 22nd, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    “Buchholz having a Hughes-esque outing today”

    I know Phil Hughes. And Bucholz is no Phil Hughes.

  221. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 22nd, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    Yes I know Al Oliver was not a pitcher. Pre-emptory strike.

    Have a great night all. I will now start my evening!!!

    :)

  222. CR9 April 22nd, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    I gotta say.

    I LOVE Tim Tebow.

    But a 25th pick in the draft on him…hmmmm.

    On the other hand, Kyle Orton is their QB.

  223. CR9 April 22nd, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Trisha

    Have a Great Sox losing night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  224. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Harold Evans is just tearing Soriano apart for not running hard on a ball to the gap.

    Soriano is a shell of a player.

  225. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Trisha, Al Oliver is one of about 4 other players that belong in the HOF, along with Santo, Blyleven, Tommy John and Kaat. He was a pure hitter and ontil the knees went a very good center fielder and later 1st baseman. He could have been even more lethal at yankee stadium (in pinstripes).

  226. CR9 April 22nd, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Aww, I miss Alfie. I always loved him and his 2001 World Series winning HR off that overrated Schill.

    I ♥ Alfonso!!!

  227. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 22nd, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Pat M – I too like Lowell. You have to wonder what’s afoot behind the scenes when Fat Slappy is dropped down in the lineup and then relegated to bench duty. He of the large mouth would be smart to suck it up because he definitely is not in the driver’s seat anymore.

  228. Bronx Jeers April 22nd, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    That’s Reynolds. And he’s right.

    What’s going on with Lou? He seems like a shell of himself as well.

    I saw Sweet Lou on 57th st yesterday afternoon. He looked good.

  229. CR9 April 22nd, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    For those of you that like lowell, and I used to as well….

    Do you remember when he knocked down Cano while running to 2nd base, just slammed him to the ground…

    Then came out after the game and said he learned to do that from the Yankees organization. Thats what the Yankees teach you in the minors. If someone is in the baseline, you knock them down.

  230. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 22nd, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    “trisha

    Have a Great Sox losing night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    And same to you CR9. I just know you will too.

    :)

  231. hardwired April 22nd, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    Mike Lowell for Ed Yarnall.

    file that one under “not good”.

  232. CR9 (Name Police) April 22nd, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    CB

    It’s Harold REYNOLDS, not evans! :P

    Reynolds, one of the view ‘unbiased towards the Yankees’ professionals in the sport!!

  233. Carl April 22nd, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    CR9 April 22nd, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    For those of you that like lowell, and I used to as well….

    Do you remember when he knocked down Cano while running to 2nd base, just slammed him to the ground…

    Then came out after the game and said he learned to do that from the Yankees organization. Thats what the Yankees teach you in the minors. If someone is in the baseline, you knock them down

    Cano still turned the dp :)

  234. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    So, the Broncos didn’t care too much for Kyle Orton, who they gave up Jay Cutler for….interesting.

  235. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    CR9-

    True indeed! Not sure whey I said evans… I’m mixing up my harolds.

  236. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    Jeremy, Magrane was ripping Alex?

  237. Rich in NJ April 22nd, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    “file that one under “not good”.”

    What was really not good is that they kept Brosius and traded Lowell.

  238. LGY April 22nd, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    Did Tito say why he did not pinch hit with Ortiz?

  239. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    I remember when I thought Yarnall was going to the big starter we’d been waiting so long to develop…..then Claussen…..now Hughes. Which one doesn’t fit?

  240. tampayank April 22nd, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Tebow to the Broncos in the First Round, upset of the draft….crazy

  241. Bronx Jeers April 22nd, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Jeez Mantle was playing 1st for the last triple play?

  242. CR9 (Name Police) April 22nd, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    Betsy

    Magrane is a Yankee hater. I used to be stuck listening to the guy for all 18 games against the Yanks every year. It’s amazing how well Kevin Kennedy has replaced Magrane with the Yankee hating. No evidence of any transition at all.

    And I think that Magrane was a part of the Yanks organization at some point. We probably showed his unprofessional patootie the door, and he didnt like it.

  243. Bronx Jeers April 22nd, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    So Barry Larkin thinks it was Arod just trying to fluster Braden and I kind of thought that as well ealier….and if it is true? I have no problem with it whatsoever.

  244. Pat M. April 22nd, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    Alex did run over the mound, I’m still laughing over the entire issue…..I said at the time I thought it was gamesmanship on Alex’s part……

  245. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    CR, I thought Magrane was once a Yankee, too, but I can’t for the life of me remember when that was.

  246. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    Magrane was never part of the Yankees. Dewayne Staats was.

  247. Rich in NJ April 22nd, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    Staats and Kubek were pretty good.

  248. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    Even as a pitcher? Oh well, I was wrong, lol. I remember Dewayne Staats….pretty unremarkable announcer.

  249. pat April 22nd, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    :smile: Braden was interviewed on ESPN BBT. Catch the replay if you can.

    Tells Ravech, “When I’m on the mound, I am the center of the universe.”

    Ravech asks him, did you just say that you’re the center of the universe when you are on the mound? and who told you that?

    My college coach.

    Ravech said we checked in with some people including Rick Sutcliffe and asked him about this unwritten rule and they weren’t familiar with it. Where did you learn this?

    American Legion ball

  250. Bronx Jeers April 22nd, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    I hadn’t seen it till just now. I knew he ran over the mound. I didn’t know that Braden was on the mound at the time!

    It did get Braden worked up. It didn’t work though.

    Alex is just so tuned in to every nuance of the game.

  251. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    Just saw a highlight from the brewers game today. Prince Fielder got a hit and as he finished his swing he finished his follow through by hitting his bat on his upper back.

    And when he hit his back – he broke his bat off at the handle.

    What the phrase… strong as a bull. Man that was something.

  252. hardwired April 22nd, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    Dewayne Staats’ claim-to-fame as a Yankee announcer: he called the Jim Abbott no-hitter.

  253. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    Braden is coming off looking pretty foolish in this whole pseudo-controversy.

    Reynolds and Larkin mostly dismissed it as well.

    The A’s clearly have juiced up some faux-outrage about being afterthoughts to the big bad yankees.

    Duchrescher’s comments earlier this week were just as telling.

    Non-issue. Braden is being a primma donna about the whole thing and keeps digging himself deeper into it.

  254. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    Anyone remember Spencer Ross? He called Mattingly’s GS that tied him with Lou Gehrig for 6 in one year (I think).

  255. Rich in NJ April 22nd, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    Spencer Ross sucked.

  256. LGY April 22nd, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    pat,

    Was Ravech’s tone as sarcastic as it seems to be from the quotes?

  257. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    I don’t know what Deutscherer said, but it seems like the more the Yankees win, the more these sad sack teams open their yappers. I guess that tells you that these teams may be starting to fear the Yankees again.

  258. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    LOL Rich – he was unremarkable, too. I still can’t forget White, Rizzuto and Messer…I grew up on them. White’s rapport with Scooter was the stuff of legend, lol.

  259. pat April 22nd, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    “Was Ravech’s tone as sarcastic as it seems to be from the quotes?”

    More dumbfounded than sarcastic. Sort of a “did he really just say that?” tone.

    He asked if he had any personal beef against Alex and he repeated he would have said the same thing to his grandmother which got another dumbfounded response from Ravech.

  260. Rich in NJ April 22nd, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    Actually Betsy, when Ross did up sports dates for WCBS radio years ago, he was fine. But both as a broadcaster, and when he hosted a show on WFAN, he was a nauseating homer. I can recall him having Billy Martin on his radio show, and he was so obsequious, it was embarrassing.

    He also had a sporting goods store in Glen Rock for a while, but I think it went under.

  261. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    Abreu is 2-2 and just picked up his 3500th toal base. That’s a pretty nice career target. He’s closing in on 2200 hits, 1300 runs scored, 500 doubles, 1200 RBI and a .300 career BA. Really fine career.

    Verlander is not having a good year, so far. 3 walks and 2 runs in 2 innings, so far. ERA over 7, but, Saunders is just as bad for the Angels.

    Damon is 2-2 with a double.

    Jackson is 0-2, but, no strikeouts.

  262. CR9 (Name Police) April 22nd, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    I dont understand.

    What is Ravech saying?

    And what is Duchscherer saying? I like that kid, I hope I dont have to start disliking him.

  263. LGY April 22nd, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    Betsy,

    http://www.pressdemocrat.com/a.....#038;tc=pg

  264. Rich in NJ April 22nd, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    Oh and on Messer, he did the high, far, and gone HR call way before Sterling, but he had such bizarre sayings, that he was a bit hokey for NY.

    I loved the Scooter. Loved him.

  265. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    CB April 22nd, 2010 at 10:51 pm
    Just saw a highlight from the brewers game today. Prince Fielder got a hit and as he finished his swing he finished his follow through by hitting his bat on his upper back.

    And when he hit his back – he broke his bat off at the handle.

    What the phrase… strong as a bull. Man that was something.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I’ve seen three other players do that. Jim Rice, Frank Thomas and Jim Gentile of the Orioles back in the early 60s. Gentile taped a 3 inch thick piece of foam rubber on his back because he swung so hard the it would bruise his back when he missed.

  266. Giuseppe Franco April 22nd, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Dewayne Staats was a radio/TV analyst for the Cubs before he left for the Yankees.

    Staats replaced Milo Hamilton and Thom Brennaman ended up replacing Staats.

    So there’s you’re pointless and irrelevant Cubs broadcast history in the 80s – not including Harry Caray and Steve Stone (who was always excellent).

    Too bad Stone is now paired up with the biggest jackass in the sport – Hawk Harrelson.

  267. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Rich, it’s odd, but I don’t remember Messer that well; it was only when I heard his voice recently on some video that I recalled his voice. Everyone loved Scooter; he was just the cutest, funniest, little old man. White may have been my favorite, though.

    *I’ll bet Messer did that call 1000 x better than Sterling (who gets it wrong half the time)

  268. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    LGY, thanks! Wow, what a jerk………

  269. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    The strangest was watching Dick Allen snap a back on a check swing and he swung a 40 ounce sheleighly

  270. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    Correction: watching Dick Allen snap a ***bat*** on a check swing

  271. tala08 April 22nd, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    His comments are telling. You can be rich and be jealous of someone with more money. You can have a nice looking girlfriend and be jealous of the guy with the hotter girlfriend. You can be a MLB player and be jealous of other players.

    Too many people think jealousy is not an issue with pro athletes; that they couldn’t possibly hate on other athletes…that there must be some legit reason why they don’t like a certain player, etc.

    But he proved its all about jealousy.

  272. CR9 (Name Police) April 22nd, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    ““If I pitch against Tampa Bay no one would ask me that,” Duchscherer said

    “Because they get all the coverage from the media. We have some damn good players on our team. If they played for the Yankees they’d be superstars.”

    The whole conversation by Duch sounds like one big conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!!

    It was a simple question, and it would have been asked if the Rays were coming to town also.

    I wonder if he’ll have the same POV when the Red Sox come to town.

    What a ass

  273. CR9 (Name Police) April 22nd, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    Ohhhh, Justin is a former Red Sox, I was just told. No wonder why.

    I guess it’s time to start disliking him.

  274. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    GB7-

    Those are some good stories. Never myself saw someone do that. But I could see the three guys you refer to as doing it!

    Those are some strong guys. And two of them weren’t using thin handled maple.

  275. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Lloyd Pettit, Jack Brickhouse and Lou Boudreau were the best of the Cubs announcers. Ron Santo is terrible, but, God love him, he all Cub heart.

  276. NYYROC April 22nd, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    Braden and his “repercussions”. Like what? Throwing one of his 70 MPH FB at Alex? Alex will catch it barehanded and throw it back faster than it came in.

  277. 7789 April 22nd, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    pat April 22nd, 2010 at 10:49 pm
    Braden was interviewed on ESPN BBT. Catch the replay if you can.

    Tells Ravech, “When I’m on the mound, I am the center of the universe.”

    Ravech asks him, did you just say that you’re the center of the universe when you are on the mound? and who told you that?

    My college coach.

    Ravech said we checked in with some people including Rick Sutcliffe and asked him about this unwritten rule and they weren’t familiar with it. Where did you learn this?

    American Legion ball

    ——————————————————–

    LOL wow Braden is a moron. Seems like he just looking for some attention.

  278. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    CB, The only players that come close to swinging a club the size of Allen’s was Bob Cerv and Frank howard. cerv’s was about 36 inches and 36 ounces. It was Cerv’s bat that Mantle used in September of 1961 because he tore a bicep muscle and it hurt when he swung and missed. Against the Tigers, when the race was like 2 games in September, he hit #49 and #50 off of Jim Bunning and the other off of Aguirre or Staley to help sweep the Tigers and knock them back to 5 games out. detroit never got closer. Kaline cried after the game and said he’d never seen anything like it. One homer into the upper deck and the other over the monuments. Mantle was Kaline’s idol.

  279. Bronx Jeers April 22nd, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    Braden and his “repercussions”.

    ————————————————

    Paper Gatorade cups around the world are not sleeping easy tonight!

  280. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    Well the Rangers are finally making some moves. They’ve optioned Chris Davis to AAA and are calling up Justin Smoak.

    The Rangers are struggling but do they ever have a lot of young talent.

    They have 8 players on their roster younger than 25. Most in the majors.

    Smoak is very talented. Great draft pick for the rangers. Still can’t believe he lasted to the 13th pick of the draft.

    The Rangers should call up Tanner Scheppers as well and put him in their pen.

  281. Pat M. April 22nd, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    m, are you watching the Lakers ????? Back & forth game……

  282. MTS April 22nd, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    Basketball is always back and forth.

  283. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    Bad day on the farm, today. Nobody won. Romine and Laird are getting about a hit a day. Laird with a homer today. Luke Murton is crushing everything and Medchill’s bat is cranking up. Mesa is still struggling, though. Heredia has really fallen off this season.

  284. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    GB, thanks! I like to see Romine heating up….

  285. Dark Dante April 22nd, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    Halos announcers just said “There are going to be some serious fireworks when The Yankees come here this weekend – It’s gonna be payback time”

    Jeez guys a little bit “homer happy”?

  286. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    You have to wonder if last year’s innings loads are starting to get to Verlander, Porcello and Greinke

  287. Carl April 22nd, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    Doesn’t A-Rod have 71 home runs against the Angels? Hes gonna show off this weekend :)

  288. GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    verlander has 115 pitches with 1 out in the 5th inning, and Matsui just nailed him for a center field bomb, on the 10th pitch of the at bat.

  289. CB April 22nd, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    Verlander does not look good. He’s throwing hard but his stuff looks flat. Greinke was better last start but still now where he was last year.

    With Porcello – Detroit has to know they were taking something of a risk. They got a lot of credit for how they handled Porcello last year but this season will be the more telling one.

  290. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    The Angels are hot now, but the Yankees have no fear of that place anymore…

  291. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 11:59 pm

    Verlander got off to a slow start last year as well, I believe.

    How many innings did Porcello throw last year?

  292. Bo knows April 23rd, 2010 at 12:00 am

    Matsui just did a 10 pitch at bat fouling every Verlander variety of pitch off and then hit a HR. Totally amazing.

  293. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 12:01 am

    Not sure how effective Verlander will remain, but 121 pitches and still throwing 97 MPH. Remarkable arm.

  294. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 12:04 am

    CB, if anything happens to those two Tiger arms, what a shamed that would be. This would be as bad as the Mark Prior and Kerry wood treatment.

  295. igotid88 April 23rd, 2010 at 12:06 am

    GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2010 at 11:56 pm
    You have to wonder if last year’s innings loads are starting to get to Verlander, Porcello and Greinke
    —————————–

    didn’t that happen to Verlander after his rookie year also?

  296. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 12:07 am

    Right now, verlander has as close to a Nolan Ryan arm as there is in baseball.

  297. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 23rd, 2010 at 12:08 am

    What’s the point in throwing that hard if he’s not going to be effective?

  298. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 12:08 am

    Yeah, he lost about 8-10 MPH that year. still pitched the innings, but, it wasn’t quality.

  299. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 23rd, 2010 at 12:09 am

    I mean, he has this great arm, but why are the Tigers pushing him at 121 pitches this early in the season? He’s struggling, so why not save his arm? He may not be Nolan Ryan , who pitched into his late 40s

  300. Pat M. April 23rd, 2010 at 12:10 am

    Oh how I miss Mats

  301. Jenny April 23rd, 2010 at 12:12 am

    # Bo knows April 23rd, 2010 at 12:00 am

    Matsui just did a 10 pitch at bat fouling every Verlander variety of pitch off and then hit a HR. Totally amazing.
    ——————————————————–
    I love Cash, but he blew this one. Shoulda kept Zilla.

  302. CB April 23rd, 2010 at 12:12 am

    “Right now, verlander has as close to a Nolan Ryan arm as there is in baseball.”

    GB7-

    Verlander is amazing. He’s like a machine out there. Don’t know what’s going on with him. He had his best year last year.

    In his no hitter he hit 101 or 102 in the 9th inning. His arm is just out of this world.

    That said – Strasburg is the real deal. He is going to be great and is going to invoke some memories of Nolan.

    Strasburg’s stuff has a real shot to be better than Verlanders.

  303. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 23rd, 2010 at 12:13 am

    He didn’t blow it, lol. The season is not even a month old; what is with people making Matsui out to be super-human? He’s not; he’s going slump – in fact, he didn’t have a good series in NY.

  304. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 12:13 am

    Tigers could be losing more than this game, too. Guillen was about to score on a single to right when collapsed about half way between 3rd and home. He barely got up, but, couldn’t even get to home. Looks like a hamstring. bottom of the 6th, 5-4 Detroit and Zumaya coming in.

  305. CR9 (Name Police) April 23rd, 2010 at 12:16 am

    What a sick game the NBA is.

    This is why I stopped watching it for the most part.

    Referees decide games, more than in any other league.

    They called an absolute nothing a foul on the perimeter 2 free throws to go up 4 points with 50 seconds left.

    Then Kobe goes right to the rack and gets raped, hits the basket and a free throw would have put the Lakers down 1 with 16 seconds left, and the referees dont call it.

    So., call a foul on nothing, but when one of the best players in the NBA gets raped.

    Hmmmmmmmm, sounds fair.

  306. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 12:18 am

    CB, I’ve only seem glimpses of Strasberg, so I’ll watch him on TV when it comes on. Chapman with 5.1 innings and 1 unearned run, 5 walks, 8 strikeouts and 3 wild pitches. 3 hits tonight.

  307. CR9 (Name Police) April 23rd, 2010 at 12:18 am

    It should just be called the National Referee Association, it’s a sham.

    They just decide close games.

    Supposedly, they put their whistles in their pockets…..Riiiiiiight.

  308. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 12:19 am

    Actually, Chapman only has 2 wild pitcheso

  309. Pat M. April 23rd, 2010 at 12:19 am

    Betsy, Matsui was horrible in that series last week, other than his dinger off Phil he was a non factor….That being said, he’s still hitting over .300, 4 hr’s and 13 rbi’s……So extract the NY series, he’s been very good for the Angels…..

  310. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 12:28 am

    Pat, I was bored and out of curiocity, I looked up to see what Mantle hit with runners in scoring position in ’56 and ’61. .444 with 77 RBI and a .582 OBP in 1956 (29 solo homers) and in 1961 it was only .364 and 80 RBI with a .490 OBP (18 solo homers). That’s insane.

  311. CB April 23rd, 2010 at 12:28 am

    GB7-

    Strasburg is real good. It is remarkable how much movement he has on pitches thrown in the high 90′s or even over 100. Pitches usually straighten at that velocity. You see it with Veralnder’s fastball. It’s very hard but can get straight. Strasburg has a lot of movement. He commands his fastball very well also and keeps the ball down in the zone well.

    Nasty breaking pith. Good change up (which he throws at 90-91). Two seamer.

    Very impressive arsenal. And he throws the ball real easy. He’s not a high effort guy.

  312. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 12:32 am

    When he pitches again, I’ll pass along what i see or hear if you’re interested. I don’t care about the teams, but, I greatly admire real talent.

  313. Pat M. April 23rd, 2010 at 12:34 am

    GB, those numbers on The Mick are video game worthy…..Would never think with all the solo shots that his risp average would be that off the charts high……Back before the season started, I mentioned that I spoke with an old time scout who was being shifted to the road for the Angels……He said that if Mantle played today in the ballparks, including the new yard in the Bronx, you could tack on at least 175 home runs to his bottom line easily……

  314. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 12:37 am

    Fun to watch Abreu foul off Zumaya’s 100 MPH fastballs. He just smoked Zumaya’s 98 MPH “change-up” the the wall in center for another double.

  315. Bo knows April 23rd, 2010 at 12:39 am

    People don’t seem to understand about honor with Matsui. As the Yankees you don’t cut his wages in half because of age. His play didn’t deserve that. And you can’t justify paying him double market worth. Matsui did the honorable thing all around by signing with the Angels thus easing a difficult decision for Cashman. In this case it’s not about the money for Matsui, it’s pride.

  316. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 12:40 am

    Pat, I meant to ask you about that scout. Is that Bill Fisher, the old right handed reliever? Kubek always insisted that Mantle lost on average 20-25 homers a year at left center and center at the old stadium in his 9 years as a team mate. Kubek wasn’t given to exaggerate.

  317. CB April 23rd, 2010 at 12:46 am

    GB7-

    Please pass along your thoughts. He’s a unique guy.

  318. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 12:48 am

    Will do, CB. I’ve been wanting to see him pitch, but, only saw a 2 inning stint during ST

  319. Pat M. April 23rd, 2010 at 12:53 am

    GB, no it’s not Bill Fisher, although I do think Fisher is still in the game as a talent scout………Bo Knows, the Angels pounced on Matsui, but only gave him 48 hours to decide…Cashman wasn’t at all prepared for that situation….As the story goes, Cashman was straight up with Mats and told him he couldn’t promise him anything within the time frame that the Angels laid out……..Plan B was Nick Johnson……..

  320. Bronx Jeers April 23rd, 2010 at 12:53 am

    Hasn’t been a Yankee triple play in 42 years and I’m at freakin work when it happens.

    If only i was born rich instead of handsome.

    I’m barely young enough to say I wasn’t around the last time it happened but not young enough to say I’ll definitely be around if it takes another 42 years for the next one.

  321. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 12:53 am

    Jackson has to get those strikeouts under control. 24 in 65 at bats is terrible for a singles and doubles hitter. Thats a pace for 240 strikeouts. If he doesn’t figure it out, he’ll be in AAA again.

  322. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 12:57 am

    Just curious, Pat. I know that Fisher still scouts for the Twins. he was a good relief pitcher and known for two things. He still holds the record for consecutive innings without a walk at 81 or 82 innings and giving up mantle’s facade shot in 1963.

  323. Pat M. April 23rd, 2010 at 1:05 am

    GB, I don’t think people understand just how mighty a blow that was……I’ve seen a picture that traced the flight of Mantle’s clout that night…..Didn’t Pedro Ramos also serve up a facade shot as well in the late 50′s….I might be mistaken, but I thought Mick hit the facade twice…..The Fisher blast was just a few inches from clearing the roof……Over 100 feet high and 375 feet away is incredible

  324. Rich in NJ April 23rd, 2010 at 1:09 am

    I can recall seeing a picture of the facade in an old Yankee yearbook with an arrow pointing to the spot that Mantle hit.

  325. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 1:11 am

    Pat, Perdo served up two of them in 1956. Fisher says the one he gave up was not only still rising but it hit the frame of the light stanchion on top of the roof, He’s said the ball bounced back to the infield on one bounce and if it had hit the facade, it wouldn’t have bounced that far.

  326. CR9 April 23rd, 2010 at 1:16 am

    One last note about the ARod thing.

    IF it was indeed gamesmanship, I see nothing wrong with it, and I am all for it. (It’s no different than a batter calling timeout to rattle a pitcher)

    It just shows the Yankees are getting the swagger back, baby!

    And it’s time to start teaching other teams some lessons!!!

  327. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 1:16 am

    Hee’s some info on his 10 longest, including the documented facade shots. I was in Detroit for the september 10th 1960 game to see the bomb off of Foytack. Hit into a crosswind.

    http://www.themick.com/10homers.html#Home Run #1

  328. Pat M. April 23rd, 2010 at 1:19 am

    Rich in NJ…..That’s the picture…..Amazing, shame there’s no way for the bloggers here to see that photo……..

  329. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 1:21 am

    The ange;s aren’t going to roll over for NYYs. After Verlander had two strikes on batters in his 5 innings tonight, he threw an extra 50 pitches to those batters. That’s not good news for Burnett, who gives a lot of two strike fouls on fastballs.

  330. Pat M. April 23rd, 2010 at 1:27 am

    GB, Once the Halos left NYC, they got well in Toronto and have been playing good ball……Their bullpen will haunt them all season…….

  331. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 1:30 am

    If NYY gets through santana, they have a shot at taking two of the games. Two of 3 in baltimore is pretty likely and a sweep there is quite possible. They are a mess.

    Did you look at the link i sent on Mantle’s longest shots?

  332. Bronx Jeers April 23rd, 2010 at 1:36 am

    Yanks aren’t gonna keep winning series forever but if they take this next one I really like the chances for an April sweep.

    They facing the same 3 from the last series against the Halos

    AJ vs Santana

    Pettitte vs Piniero

    Javy vs Kazimir.

  333. Bronx Jeers April 23rd, 2010 at 1:45 am

    I see the Detroit pen held them off.

    I thought it was gonna be a slaughter the way they were hitting Verlander at the beginning. I guess it was just Verlander.

    Good. Our guys are enjoying their nightcaps and they’re guys wont be home for another couple of hours.

  334. Pat M. April 23rd, 2010 at 2:04 am

    I spent 20 minutes reading that link…GB, you must report that in the morning for the early edition…It should be mandatory reading here at the KoHud……..I saw Mantle’s blast in 1964 ( august ) vs Chicago, as he hit the first ball over the deadcenter wall ( 461 ) and into the bleachers…..Stottlmeyers first MLB game….Reggie in the 77 WS hit one out there into the black seats, but it was right of the micks and many rows short of Mantles blast….Make no mistake, Reggie’s was probably the second longest cf area blast next to Mantles….The wall back then in 1964 was 24 feet high and had the batting eye backdrop which was another 35-50mfeet…….It was like Tiger WOODS TEE Shot,,,,,Loud crack and the ball didsappeared into the blue sky only to come down som e 10 seconcds later and 505 feet further

  335. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 2:14 am

    If I’m not mistakemn, the ’64 blast against Chicago was off of Ray Herbert. saw that one on WGN. Had another late in the game to right center and one the night before off of Juan pizarro into the upper deck.

    at the bottom of the 1st article in footnotes, it says he had at least three that cleared the roofs in batting practice, 2 to right and one to left. That left field b;ast must have been monsterous.

  336. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 2:20 am

    Speaking of Mel stottlemyre. That guy could hit. In his rookie season, he pitched a complete game shutout and went 5-5 and the next year hits a couple of homers including an inside the park grand slam thawent to the 457 sihn in left center.

  337. Pat M. April 23rd, 2010 at 2:31 am

    457,,,,thats 58 feet shorter with a wall that was 12-13 feet higher than what’s out there today,,,,The new Yankee stadium, does have backbeatcher wll that resebmles the original wall somewhat…as You there is a deeper wal to the blestchers that represnts what the outwall stood for…It’s like a ring that goes beyond the fist hr wall and has adversisementsall along it…You hit a ball there, that’s no cheapie

  338. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 2:43 am

    Yeah, not many that I remember seeing ever hit one into the left center field bleachers. Besides Mantle, I only saw skowron reach them and I saw where Ellie Howard got one. I’m sure Frank Howard and Jimmy Foxx got there, too. How about hitting one 455 feet and gettong nothing for it. That’s cruel. He had to lose more than he ever got from the short right field porch. wish I could find charts of his YS hits and outs and overlay them on the remodeled and new parks. That would be an interesting look.

  339. Pat M. April 23rd, 2010 at 2:50 am

    Hell GB, IT WAS 402 TO THE LEFTFIELD BULLPEN GATE,,,that’s straightaway leftfield

  340. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 2:56 am

    Those that always insisted that he had cheap homers have never bothered to look and see just how little difference there was in his home and away numbers in all categories. For the amount of games, there is no difference. He was a once in a lifetime talent with good legs and the equal to Mays and Aaron. Highly under rated on defense.

  341. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 2:59 am

    The only month that his numbers suffered was in September, when he was beat up. Amazing that he was able to perform in the WS as well as he did.

  342. Pat M. April 23rd, 2010 at 3:04 am

    GB, I’m fading my good buddy, but do re post the Mantle link for tomorrow so all can at least have a clue as to what we’re talking about from now on when we talk about Mickey Mantle and his amazingh power and talents…….

  343. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 3:06 am

    Sure will, Pat. I have to go get groceries tomorrow, but will as soon as I get back. if you’re here, please remind me. Old age, you know.

  344. E-gawa April 23rd, 2010 at 3:07 am

    lol at Dallas Braden. What a joke.

  345. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 4:04 am

    For those interested in new call-ups for other teams, Texas 1st baseman Chris Davis is being demoted to AAA OK City and Justin Smoak is being recalled. That can only be good news for the Yankees because Davis hurt the Yankee pitchers at the most inopportune times..

  346. Carl April 23rd, 2010 at 5:44 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded

    Video of A-Rod running on the mound. He didn’t even step on the pitching rubber.

  347. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 23rd, 2010 at 6:59 am

    Carl -

    Thanks for that clip.

    Like I said yesterday, our Alex is certainly the lightning Rod! :)

  348. Mike RI April 23rd, 2010 at 7:21 am

    Just seen the video of Arod . . What the heck did he do that was so wrong . . WOW he crossed the mound . . We’ve all done it . . I’ve done it a million times ..

    Braden . . please go get some help .. your two minutes of fame is up .

  349. randy l. April 23rd, 2010 at 7:38 am

    i use wikepedia all the time for quick references but this is a funny reason why you can’t always take it too seriously:

    “On April 22nd, 2010, Braden was pitching against the New York Yankees when he accused Yankees Third Basemen, Alex Rodriguez, of running across the pitchers mound on his way back to first base after a foul ball. At the end of the inning as the players were switching sides, Braden yelled over at Rodriguez “Stay off my mound! That is my (expletive) mound!” Rodriguez claimed to be unaware of the “unwritten rule” but offered no apology. Later that day Braden told Karl Ravech of Baseball Tonight that he is the “center of the universe.” Alex Rodriguez has nearly 600 home runs to Dallas Braden’s 17-21 career record, leaving Braden to acknowledge that he isn’t a “speck in A-Rod’s universe”; but that “he won’t do that again”, most likely because Braden will not be in baseball for much longer.
    Despite any attempts in his player pictures, Braden at 180 pounds is far from a tough guy, although his facial hair will probably disagree. ”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Braden

  350. randy l. April 23rd, 2010 at 7:50 am

    “Braden . . please go get some help .. your two minutes of fame is up ”

    mike ri-

    no way . he’s a really good singer- even better than barry zito.

    check out 1:30 in on this you tube video :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....&NR=1

  351. Mike RI April 23rd, 2010 at 7:58 am

    lol lol Randy . .i think my ears are bleeding !

  352. Yanksgal07 April 23rd, 2010 at 8:08 am

    The sad thing is the fact that the Yankees make a triple play but this nonsense story gets talked about. ESPN didn’t even have the triple play as a Web Gem which I find totally ridiculous because if it had been any other team it would have been the #1 Web Gem.

    Hoping “good” AJ shows up today ….because when he’s good he’s scary .. :)

    Go Yankees 2010 !!!

  353. austinmac April 23rd, 2010 at 8:13 am

    GB–In one of the few games I got to see personally as a kid, Mantle hit a homer over the 461 foot sign. I read in the paper the next day he almost slammed his bat down since he didn’t think he hit it well. Now, that’s power. If I remember correctly that was the same game as Stottlemyer’s debut. Now, that was joy.

  354. Mike RI April 23rd, 2010 at 8:14 am

    I think this stems from Arods MONSTER homerun against Breslow..

  355. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 23rd, 2010 at 8:15 am

    Pat M, I wasn’t trying to knock Matsui – he’s been terrific. My point to the poster was that I don’t think Cash blew it; he had his reasons for not pursuing Matsui heavily – we all know what they were. People can’t let it go, especially because NJ is in a slump (hardly the time to judge him).

  356. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 23rd, 2010 at 8:18 am

    Mark Malusis KILLED Alex last night, I mean he KILLED him. He said Braden handled the situation just right (lol, ok) and ranted about how Alex is arrogant, etc…. I had to shut the thing off. I thought he might talk about real Yankees baseball (and to see what he had to say about Phil after he spent 10 minutes raving about the Mets’ pitching), but I was wrong.

  357. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 8:18 am

    Mac, that’s the same game that Pat and I were referencing with the White Sox. Here’s the box score of your youth.

    http://www.baseball-reference......8120.shtml

  358. Rob NY April 23rd, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Mike Francesa “With the emergence of OBP AVG really is irrelevant in baseball circles.”
    Joe Girardi “It really is.”

    The manager is not at all concerned about Nick Johnson’s batting average in this interview. He hasn’t hit yet but he will, and he’ll be right around .300 by October.

    You can find it in the itunes store for free if you so desire among the other MF interviews.

  359. randy l. April 23rd, 2010 at 8:24 am

    wow, livan goes 8 innings , gives up 4 hits and loses to Ubaldo Jimenez

    livan 0.75 era after three starts

    once the yankee get hughes and joba into the rotation through the fifth spot, they really do have to get livan for that spot( maybe in 2012).

    of course after livan wins more games this year than Strasburg , he may be too expensive :)

  360. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 23rd, 2010 at 8:26 am

    Rob, I think NJ will be fine, but he has to want to hit; I don’t want him to just be satisfied taking a walk.

  361. Erin April 23rd, 2010 at 8:29 am

    Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 23rd, 2010 at 8:18 am
    Mark Malusis KILLED Alex last night, I mean he KILLED him.

    ************************
    I’m sorry I missed that. :roll:

    LOL

  362. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 23rd, 2010 at 8:32 am

    Erin, Mark Feinsand wrote in his blog that that Alex should have apologized and that his comment feeds the notion that he’s arrogant (or something like that). Please………….This is another instance of the media just making nothing into something. Fortunately the NFL draft will take up most of the day on sports radio.

  363. Erin April 23rd, 2010 at 8:34 am

    Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 23rd, 2010 at 8:32 am
    Erin, Mark Feinsand wrote in his blog that that Alex should have apologized and that his comment feeds the notion that he?s arrogant (or something like that). Please????.This is another instance of the media just making nothing into something.

    *************************
    Exactly. Alex has probably already forgotten about it!

  364. jennifer April 23rd, 2010 at 8:35 am

    I think the scrub should know what the rules are for scrubs. Seen not heard.

    Seriously he needs to shut his mouth already. If he didn’t like it as soon as Alex did it get in his face and tell him you didn’t like it. Why wait till you get to the dugout to yell and scream and throw yourself around like a 12 year old boy.

    Than he threatens to bean him if he happens again? Really now.

  365. randy l. April 23rd, 2010 at 8:37 am

    gb7-

    there was no one better than a healthy mantle.

  366. upstate kate April 23rd, 2010 at 8:40 am

    I just watched the incident and the interviews after on the mlb network. It wasn’t as if Alex crossed thru the middle of the mound. I think Braden over reacted. He should have enough respect not to call out a veteran like Alex. And what a mistake to threaten retaliation. He has now taken away the inside pitch from himself and the other A pitchers when they meet again.

    And ESPN had the triple play as #3 on top 10 (the top 2 were good plays)

  367. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 23rd, 2010 at 8:41 am

    I wish I could have seen Mantle; he sounds almost mythical, like a Roy Hobbes.

  368. austinmac April 23rd, 2010 at 8:42 am

    GB–Nice find on the box score. The day before the Yankees lost to Juan Pizarro, but the next day made the long, long driveto New York well worth it. I still remember the headline in the paper the next day “Memo to AL: Yanks Ain’t Dead”. There aren’t many things I remember so clearly from nearly 50 years ago. The power of baseball.

  369. jennifer April 23rd, 2010 at 8:43 am

    How can anyone say the scrub handled it well. I think he looked like a fool, and how he carried on in his interview (did he have two separate ones? one for A’s beatwriters and one for Yankees?) It is so funny how Alex gets vilified for this, but if Manny did it it would be Manny being Manny.

  370. murphydog April 23rd, 2010 at 8:46 am

    Here’s where I am on the A-Rod vs. Braden thing:

    1) Braden is probably a good teammate or at least is trying really hard to be. What else does this cheap, low budget team playing in a lousy stadium in front of tiny crowds have going for it? Proximity to San Francisco and pitching. So they gotta take advantage of any motivation they can find to keep the boys on the A’s from quitting during this loooooong season.

    2) Braden better hope they don’t light him up next time they see him; motivation works in both directions.

    3) A-Rod may be an arrogant, self-absorbed jerk but he is our arrogant, self-absorbed jerk.

    4) Heard on the radio yesterday that Cash went to CitiField to personally deliver X Nady’s ring and that the X-Man was really touched. For every dubious move A-Rod makes, Cash and the organization have class to spare.

  371. Rob NY April 23rd, 2010 at 8:46 am

    I completely agree with you Betsy he has to at some point start putting the bat on the ball. He also is obviously tentative at the plate right now. I just get the feeling that Joe isn’t too worried about it, NJ is a quality baseball player and was a good move this winter. He’ll hit.

  372. murphydog April 23rd, 2010 at 8:47 am

    “gb7-

    there was no one better than a healthy mantle.”

    And the amazing thing was that he wasn’t healthy for most of his career.

  373. jennifer April 23rd, 2010 at 8:50 am

    murphydog

    It is my understanding (now I didn’t see the game) but they were hitting rockets off of him that were caught. he won’t fool them again. I predict he gets knocked out in the third inning next time he faces the Yankees.

  374. MaineYankee April 23rd, 2010 at 8:50 am

    randy

    Is a pitcher allowed to take a walker to the mound? :lol:

  375. Rob NY April 23rd, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Murphy — Thanks for 4) I hadn’t heard that but I’m glad that I now have. I think that sort of stuff is important to having a franchise respected among potential free agents, coaches, and folks to work in the front office. The little things always make a big difference.

    As to 1) and 2) do folks really believe in the old “motivation” and “bulletin board material” cliches trotted out every year? I ask honestly because I wonder if professional athletes really have any ‘extra’ to give. You hear about it in all sports too. In college when the opposing coach would put a quote in the paper about how we were weak in one area or another it would get us angry or whatever but we were always trying to win…

  376. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 23rd, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Here’s my take on Nick Johnson. Why complain about the walks? He is in a slump. Obviously, his comfort zone is taking walks. Better the walks than what usually happens when a guy is in a slump – lots of hitting into dp’s, strikeouts, and other non-productive outs. So he is at least doing something productive.

    My question is, if he still has an eye for pitch location, enough to get his walks, how can he not have a feel for hitting those pitches that are strikes? Anyway, slumps come and slumps go, and you can be sure when Johnson gets out of his, someone else will probably slip into one. The times when the entire lineup is clicking on all cylinders isn’t really all that long – it is a beauty to behold, but not a lasting one. :)

  377. Bronx Jeers April 23rd, 2010 at 8:56 am

    I really can’t believe this.

    Chad put that post about Arod up yesterday around 7:00pm. This latest post came up around an hour later. Generally, all us regulars just move on when a new thread opens. Sometimes conversations carry over. But this is kind of scary…

    There are still people in that last thread commenting about A-Rod.

    There’s been people in there all night.

  378. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 23rd, 2010 at 8:57 am

    jennifer -

    Braden did yell and scream at Alex on the field – I think he did it twice. First right after it happened, and then before they walked off the field at the end of the half inning.

    I guess the writers after the game asked him what that was all about and he certainly gave them the story. :?

  379. Rishi April 23rd, 2010 at 8:59 am

    NEYER’ TAKE ON THE A-ROD THING…HE DISAGREES WITH A LOT OF WHAT OTHER’S ARE SAYING:
    ====================================================

    Oakland’s Braden sends message … but to whom?
    April, 22, 2010 Apr 228:41PM ETEmail Print Share By Rob NeyerLoHud’s Chad Jennings on that weird dustup this afternoon involving Dallas Braden and Alex Rodriguez:
    ?He just told me to get off his mound,? Rodriguez said. ?I was a little surprised. I?d never quite heard that. Especially from a guy that has a handful of wins in his career.?

    The whole thing started when Rodriguez went from first to third on a foul ball by Robinson Cano. On his way back to first, Rodriguez ran across the pitcher?s mound, which Braden saw as a sign of disrespect.

    ?I don?t care if I?m Cy Young or the 25th man on the roster, if I?ve got the ball in my hand and I?m on that mound, that?s my mound,? Braden said. ?… He ran across the pitcher?s mound foot on my rubber. No, not happening. We?re not the door mat anymore.”

    I was watching that game, and my half-hearted attempted to read Braden’s lips did suggest the word “mound” preceded by f-bomb. So I thought maybe this was it, except 1) I hadn’t actually seen Rodriguez running over the mound, and 2) I didn’t know anyone would take exception to such a thing. There’s something odd about this, though: The inning was over. Braden wasn’t on the mound anymore. It wasn’t his mound. Before Alex touched it, the third out had been recorded and it was CC Sabathia’s mound. So there is, I think, something else going on here, something to which we’re simply not privy.

    My take on this is that your take is all about the context. If you’re Alex Rodriguez or 20,000,000 Yankees fans, you have no idea what Dallas Braden is talking about. If you’re one of Dallas Braden’s teammates or 1,000,000 Athletics fans, you’re thrilled to see one of your guys doing his small part to suggest the A’s won’t just roll over their collective back when the Alpha dog trots into the room.

    No, the Yankees won’t be intimidated by Dallas Braden or anyone else. They’re too good, too experienced, too confident. But Braden wasn’t yelling at the Yankees. Not really. He was yelling at himself, and at his teammates. Players have won MVP Awards for such things.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/sweets.....ut-to-whom

  380. randy l. April 23rd, 2010 at 8:59 am

    murphydog-

    mantle was the man.

    that drag bunt that blanco laid down last night against buchholz was routine for mantle.

    he had skills and natural talent that you just don’t see.

    he switch hit.

    he walked over 100 times a year every year.

    he played centerfield.

    he hit clean up.

    he played hurt.

    even in his last two years he only missed 8 games each year.

    the ultimate team player.

  381. randy l. April 23rd, 2010 at 9:05 am

    “There are still people in that last thread commenting about A-Rod.

    There’s been people in there all night.”

    bronx jeers-

    i noticed that. pretty funny.

    being the nice guy i am , i invited them to join us on this post :)

  382. murphydog April 23rd, 2010 at 9:05 am

    “As to 1) and 2) do folks really believe in the old “motivation” and “bulletin board material” cliches trotted out every year?”

    Since baseball is a longer season that the other games I think the long term impact of such things is probably less than in some other sports and especially when the other team is out of division and you wont face them that often. But I think it still matters, based on what I have read and the folks I have known who “know.” While nobody is staying awake at night figuring out how to destroy Braden, when they see him again their pulse will quicken a little.

    It may matter less in the Yankee locker room because the Yankees have a solid veteran core and because the franchise is so steeped in Tradition that current dust ups may not have all that much of an impact. In Oakland and on some less younger teams looking for direction and trying to build a personality and their own tradition I think it matters a lot more. Trying to build a rivalry is never a bad thing.

  383. Mark in Tampa April 23rd, 2010 at 9:08 am

    Maybe we can have an unwritten rule to ignore unknown punks who make up their own unwritten rules as they see fit.

    I have watched at least 100 games per year for nearly 40 years, and played ball through college, Stan Musial leagues, etc, and I have never ever heard that a player should not run on or near the mound as a matter of etiquette. Maybe it makes sense that you would avoid it simply because it is not flat ground, but not as a matter of a written or unwritten rule. Or, maybe it is just that in the last 40 years, Arod is the only non-pitcher to set foot on the mound.

    Kurt Suzuki better be careful on those in-game mound visits! :)

  384. murphydog April 23rd, 2010 at 9:12 am

    “Maybe we can have an unwritten rule to ignore unknown punks who make up their own unwritten rules as they see fit.”

    Braden is confusing the mound with the goal crease in Hockey.

  385. Phil Columbus April 23rd, 2010 at 9:13 am

    Here is a great interview with Mickey on David Letterman. He was larger than life to me as a kid growing up. He still is, gotta love Mickey Mantle. How times have changed though.

    http://www.youtube.com/results.....&aq=f

  386. Erin April 23rd, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Mark in Tampa April 23rd, 2010 at 9:08 am

    Kurt Suzuki better be careful on those in-game mound visits!

    ******************
    I can just picture him screaming at his teammates to get off his mound. ;)

  387. pat April 23rd, 2010 at 9:17 am

    The Baseball Tonight interview with Braden was so bizarre that I put on Sportscenter so my husband could hear it this morning.

    ESPN was hyping it so much last night and then Braden played the I am the master of the universe card and all mention of the incident disappeared because the source of mocking had shifted.

    The local media spoke with Braden postgame and he told them he was angry about him running over the mound. They then went to Alex and he made the comments about the handful of wins. The media then went back to Braden and he went on an additional 7 minute rant. They then went back to Alex and he had already left.

    When asked about it today – and you know he will be- now is the time for the high road. A simple I never heard this unwritten rule and my intent was to get back to 1st, not to disrespect anyone. I’m sorry if that’s how he interpretted it.

  388. MaineYankee April 23rd, 2010 at 9:18 am

    Rob NY

    Ask Aubrey Huff if he remembered Joba’s fist pump after a strike out.

  389. Bronx Jeers April 23rd, 2010 at 9:19 am

    Randy l.

    Yeah after I posted that I went back and saw that you called them out. First laugh of the day. Thanks for that.

    You know I never really understood Selena Robert’s “target audience” in writing that book. I figured if you were an A-Rod fan there was no way you would buy it. And if you were a hater, why would you blow 25$ on a book about him? But after seeing that thread, I guess I’m a bit closer to my answer. It’s kind of crazy.

    Maybe I’ll write a book for those losers. “A-Rod: Glove slaps, Mound runs and Hah!” I could use the dough. :wink:

  390. Erin April 23rd, 2010 at 9:19 am

    Erin April 23rd, 2010 at 9:14 am
    Mark in Tampa April 23rd, 2010 at 9:08 am

    Kurt Suzuki better be careful on those in-game mound visits!

    ******************
    I can just picture him screaming at his teammates to get off his mound

    ***
    and by “him” I mean Braden not Suzuki.

  391. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 23rd, 2010 at 9:21 am

    Bronx Jeers -

    That would make a great title!

  392. tex's friend April 23rd, 2010 at 9:27 am

    karl ravech was almost mocking braden when he interviewed him last night, especially with the ‘center of the universe’ comment.

  393. randy l. April 23rd, 2010 at 9:28 am

    ” But after seeing that thread, I guess I’m a bit closer to my answer. It’s kind of crazy.”

    bronx jeers-

    you may be on to something. send me an autographed copy please.

    it’s crazy how controversy finds arod .

  394. pat April 23rd, 2010 at 9:28 am

    Speaking of books, an unauthorized biography, Steinbrenner by Bill Madden is going to be released shortly, Ian O’Connor is working on an authorized Jeter biography and Richard Ben Cramer is doing an unauthorized A-Rod book.

  395. tex's friend April 23rd, 2010 at 9:30 am

    next time dallas braden goes to cover first base on a ground ball, tex should run out and ask him to not step on the base because it is HIS BASE.

  396. SJ44 April 23rd, 2010 at 9:31 am

    Its what happens when the Yankees are so good and controversy free. ANYTHING, even something as silly as this happens, the usual cast of characters in and out of the media jump on it as if its news.

    Its a nothing story about a nobody pitcher and Arod. That being the case, there has to be a villain and its Arod. Big deal.

    I hope he hits a HR the next time he faces them, goes around the bases in about 4 minutes, touch home plate and tells him, “THAT’S showing you up. Now shut up and pitch”.

  397. Erin April 23rd, 2010 at 9:31 am

    pat April 23rd, 2010 at 9:28 am
    Speaking of books, an unauthorized biography, Steinbrenner by Bill Madden is going to be released shortly, Ian O?Connor is working on an authorized Jeter biography and Richard Ben Cramer is doing an unauthorized A-Rod book.

    *********************
    Why am I not surprised that the only authorized book being written is on Jete? ;)

  398. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 9:31 am

    Murph, the numbers that Mantle put up were amazing for a healthy player. The fact that since the 1952 season, both legs were wrapped in ace bandages from upper thigh to ankle. He was playing in games when he should have been DL’d. Al Kaline said that before the all-star games, players would sit and watch him wrap his legs and then had to be helped up because the legs would be getting stiff from sitting for an hour. Kaline said that he wasn’t the only player that would have tears in their eyes from watching this. Few knew that Kaline had the same bone desease, osteomyelitis, that Mantle had. Kaline is only 2 years younger than Mantle would have been but that’s was who his idol was.

    Mantle missed 2 and half seasons because of injuries. Most of that would have been prime years. Between those years and the extra 3 years that players like Mays and Aaron had, those are substantial numbers. Like I said, what would they have been with just decent legs for those 18 years. it wasn’t just team mates and Kaline that felt that way about him, Ken Harrelson cried on the field when Mantle was standing on first base and told him that he was retiring after the season.

  399. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 23rd, 2010 at 9:33 am

    I have mixed feelings about unauthorized biographies. Exploitive on the one hand, less vanilla then authorized ones on the other hand. Always read with a grain of salt.

  400. upstate kate April 23rd, 2010 at 9:33 am

    ok, getting ready to leave for a mini-family reunion in MA, w/ my red sox lovin’ sisters and my Rays fan Mom, up from FL. I have my whole wardrobe of Yankees WS clothes either on or packed.

  401. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter and for Butler! April 23rd, 2010 at 9:34 am

    New thread :arrow:
    Today in the Journal News

  402. Rishi April 23rd, 2010 at 9:35 am

    :arrow:

    new post, peeps

  403. Mark in Tampa April 23rd, 2010 at 9:36 am

    I know it goes without saying, but the Yankees really need Nick Johnson to get going to make this lineup work the way it should. I am pretty sure that he won’t hit .125 all year, but until he starts hitting, those walks are going to start drying up.

    If they have to move him out of second, there aren’t a lot of good options. Cano seems to have taken to the 5 spot, you can’t move him. Granderson and Swisher add a fear factor to the bottom of the lineup, switching them simply switches the weak link in the order. Replacing NJ with Miranda doesn’t do it, he isn’t a 2 type hitter.

    Maybe if Johnson doesn’t start hitting in the next 10 days or so, they swap him and Gardner for a bit, so Johnson can find it from have less pressure batting 9th. The question is, can Gardner continue his .400 OBP/ .300 Avg while hitting second? Probably not, but it may be the best option for the short term.

  404. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2010 at 9:36 am

    Pat M. asked me to put up a couple of links to mantle’s long shots, so here’s the relink to earlier. I’ll add the nrxt one that shows the condition of the baseball after hitting the side of the scoreboard of the ’53 shot in Washington. It’s a fun read.

    http://www.themick.com/10homers.html#Home Run #1

  405. Erin April 23rd, 2010 at 9:38 am

    New Post: Today in The Journal News

  406. pat April 23rd, 2010 at 9:39 am

    “Why am I not surprised that the only authorized book being written is on Jete?”

    Rumored to have given a years worth of access in return for editorial privileges.

  407. randy l. April 23rd, 2010 at 9:41 am

    phil columbus-

    that mantle video was really funny.

    did you catch the part where whitey was sitting on mantle’s hat so he had to look for it to pinch hit?

    amazing that a player like mantle didn’t wear a batting helmet.

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