Postgame notes: “I’ll take 28 or 30 more of these”
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Apr 22, 2010 
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When Eric Chavez chopped that ball up the middle in the eighth inning tonight, it hit off Phil Hughes’ left forearm. His arm was angled in such a way that Hughes thought the ball must have popped up into the air. It wasn’t until he looked toward third and saw Alex Rodriguez pointing that he finally realized the ball was in front of the mound.
“It seemed like I was looking for the ball for about eight minutes,” Hughes said.
Joe Girardi said Hughes was “as good as it gets” and Jorge Posada said it reminded him of how dominant Hughes was in that near no-hitter against Texas back in 2007. “It tells you what kind of stuff he’s got,” Posada said. “It tells you that when he’s on, he has swing-and-miss type stuff.”
As for Hughes, he was just happy to have put on a show in front of his parents, who drove up from Orange County to watch him start a major league game for only the third time. Hughes said he couldn’t help sitting on the bench wondering what would have happened had he found the ball sooner — “I guess you’ve got to fantasize about it sometimes because it’s probably not going to happen again,” he said — but milestone or not, it was a heck of a performance from a 23-year-old.
“Obviously you’re trying to go out there and throw a perfect game every time, but that’s not going to happen,” Hughes said. “I’ll take 28 or 30 more of these if I can.”
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• Hughes did not throw a single changeup. “Sometimes you’re just going to have such good stuff that maybe you stray away from a certain pitch,” Hughes said. “Tonight was one of those nights. After I kept rolling and rolling, I didn’t want to get beat on the changeup.”
• Hughes said his fastball command was “the best it’s ever been.”
• When he got the first out of the seventh inning, Hughes said his mind immediately jumped to his near no-hitter in Texas, when he had to leave after 6.1 hitless innings because of a hamstring injury. “After I got that first out in the seventh I was just hoping I didn’t go down with something,” he said. “That was all I was thinking about.”
• Mostly four-seamers and cutters tonight. Posada said there, at most, 10 curveballs and Hughes simply didn’t need the changeup. He was throwing his cutter to lefties and righties, even backdooring a few of them.
• Both Girardi and Posada raved about Brett Gardner’s two-out, RBI single in the ninth, pushing a one-run lead to a two-run lead. Gardner took the ball to left field, and he’s seemed pretty comfortable doing that early in the season. “That’s a huge hit,” Girardi said. “That extra run in s a huge hit for us.”
• After using Joba Chamberlain and Mariano Rivera the past two nights, Girardi said he doesn’t expect to have either available tomorrow. “Other guys have to step up if we need them,” Girardi said.
• Mark Teixeira said he couldn’t remember anything about Hughes near no-hitter against Texas, which happened while Teixeira was with the Rangers. He also said he was screaming from first base, “It’s in front of you!” when Chavez hit that ball up the middle. “Nothing we could do,” Teixeira said. “If it doesn’t hit Phil, it’s up the middle for a hit anyway. It wasn’t a cheap one, at least.”
Those are Associated Press photos. The bottom one is of Curtis Granderson after he scored the insurance run in the ninth.
Life is good when you have the likes of Phil Franchise as your fifth starter.
Hughes blossoming into the guy that dominated the minors. Love it. This guy is going to be the #2 at this rate
HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGHES
It was good to finally see Betsy being interviewed by Kim Jones on the YES postgame.
Nice job, Betsy.
YOUUUSSSEEE
I am glad Hughes has come out the gate with 2 good starts, it gives any doubters a show of what he is capable of. That way he won’t be run out of town when he has a down game.
GF, great to see your doing well. Hopefully your health is much better.
Back from the game… It was clear from the start that Phil had dominant stuff, sitting much of the night at an easy 94.Oakland just flailed away until the hit. Hughes really put lipstick on this pig of a ballpark.
Phil appeared to have great late life on his FB tonight, which, along with command, is what has always made his FB so special.
GrouchoNYY, Nick, & Michelle:
So j. Seriously, it must’ve been a great game to be at. On top of Phil’s outing, we won!
I’m especially happy for Phil because I know that in the back of the minds of a lot of people there were lingering doubts about whether or not Phil could be a good major league starter.
I think he answered those questions (though why they existed in the first place is beyond me. He did this kind of thing in 2007 & 2009, too).
From the RAB comment section: Via Sweeny Murti: In 30 major league starts Hughes has pitched at least 6 inn and given up 4 or fewer hits 10 times already.
The eyes are a bit tired, so I first read that as 4 or fewer runs. I thought what’s so unreal about that? Then I read it again. 1/3 of his ML starts have been 4 hits or less in at least 6 IP.
What a season so far. It feels like last year hasn’t ended.
The is a reason that Phil was the top pitching prospect in baseball a few years ago.
Many of the people that didn’t think that Phil could be a great (not a good) ML starter revealed more about themselves than about Phil.
M, That is an outstanding stat…..Good Night Yankee fans,,,,Great outing by The Young Master Hughes this evening………We all should feel a sense of pride for the lad……He’s been a household namem and yet he’s all of 23 years old
ESPN Recap.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....=300421111
We’ve scored at least 3 runs in every game this season. And in the win streak the pitching has limited opponents to 3 runs or less.
Outstanding pitching and very good defense.
Ladies and gentleman, the 2006 version of hughes is back but the difference is he is expanding his aresenl.
mlb.com recap with 6 min. video. Papa Hughes with the “Huughes” call. Awesome.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb
When your fifth starter is 5 outs away from a no-no, you know your rotation is really good.
This could be quite a season. This year’s squad looks better than last year’s championship team.
Life could not be better as a Yankee fan. We’re what…11-3? And have had almost no production from Tex and ARod is just coming around. This is the first season in a LONG time where we are firing on all cylinders right out of the gate.
To the poster who said it feels like last year never ended – dead on. This team is a steamroller.
Gardner is playing great right now. He has an AVG of .538, an OBP of .600 and 3 SBs over the last 4 games.
What a start for Phil Hughes!
I am truly not surprised by it, though.
There is never a good way to lose a no-hitter, but I felt so bad watching the clip of him looking for the ball.
I couldn’t make it past the 5th inning last night, so even knowing what I could be missing, I called it a night. I did wake up (fell asleep with the tv on) to see Joba on the mound with 2 on and 2 outs and 2 strikes on whatever batter it was in the bottom of the 8th. I turned off the tv and woke up this morning hoping they’d won.
Yay!
I dvr-ed the post-game, so I’m going to watch that after I get my daughter off to school.
Congratulations Phil Hughes and I look forward to watching you pitch for years to come!
Yay for Phil!! So glad his parents could be there. I watched the post game this am, Phil gives a nice interview. He said his fastball was working so well, he didn’t even bother to throw the change up.
Even tho I will miss the beginning, I am glad today is a day game.
Wow!!
Hughes was great. Makes all the nay sayers have to tip their hat to Cash and Girardi. Good for Phil I hope he continues to build on it.
It is also great to see Gardner excel in his role. I love how he does not try to be something he is not.
As a Yankee fan you cannot be happier. Once Tex and NJ start to click watch out.
it is also great to see how well Robbie has done hitting in the 5 spot
while the come back and walk off wins were fun, I am enjoying how well our starting pitchers are doing
Okay, my brain is not working all the well this a.m. so I can’t do the math regarding what the heck time I should start GTLU. On an east coast day game, I would start the it at 8 a.m., but it’s a 3-hour time difference, so that would be 11.
So, I’m thinking, just to be on the safe side and to allow enough time, that I’ll start GTLU at 10 this morning and run it to 1 pm. Let’s see how that works out, okay?
Great night for “prospect huggers”
I’m reading the Star Ledger this morning, and while they do not have have last night’s game in there, the do have a Yankees Notebook.
There is a little note in there about the wrestling belt given to Javy Vazquez two nights ago. I know someone here posted that they wondered if Javy knew what it meant. Apparently, not!
AJ Burnett: “He thought it was a joke. It took me a while to convince him it was a real thing. He gets it now.”
Gotta get the new guys up to speed!!
Hughes was…Phil-nominal !!!
There are many things to like about Hughes’ first 2 starts. But one of the most impressive things is that in 12.2 IP he has given up only 2 hard hit balls: Matsui’s HR and Chavez single.
Congrats Phil !!
Betsy-
Yesterday we talked about the 10%’er.
Last night we got the 1%’er instead.
It’s obvious to me now that people like Pat M. were right, and that I may be too conservative in my expectations for PH.
One small step for the Team.
One Giant step for Hughes.
The Eagle has landed.
No Brian Cashman critics this morning? It sure is nice being the defending champions and having a 23 year old Hughes on the roster right now.
I was so fun to watch Phil work last night. This is what everyone was raving about regarding his fastball command throughout the minors. The cutter has only added to that effectiveness and that pitch is still in its developmental stages…he hasn’t even mastered it yet….Eiland is right, this come only be the beggining.
MTU, I still have no idea what you mean by 10%er, lol.
Poor Phil – what a ridiculous way to lose a no-hitter. I guess I’m just glad it didn’t happen in the 9th and I’m certainly glad the ball didn’t hit him on the right forearm. I hope one day that Phil can rid himself of those bitter memories in Texas.
GF, – that was a shining moment for me, but really Phil was the star
The kid is special and I’ve never doubted it. He isn’t even fully developed yet, that’s the scary thing; he still has improvement in him. Watching him develop into a front-line, true #1 is very exciting and if he does become that, the journey will have made the final destination all the sweeter.
Blake-
You really want to freak out ?
Think about this.
2 of the 3 best games pitched thus far in the majors this season have been thrown by Yankee Pitchers.
And both of them were near No No’s.
How’s them apples ?
I hope CBS has that Eiland interview with Suzyn – I’m going to search for it now.
Thems good apples.
CBS website is awful; there’s no link to the interview, no link to any post-game shows.
I managed to make it through the 6th inning before I had to turn the TV off and go to bed. It got to the point where I could no longer keep my eyes open. LOL
Hughes looked fantastic!!
And I loved Alex and Robbie’s back to back triples.
Oops, I found it, lol
Does anyone know where I can find video of the interview with Hughes’s parents?
M, I only saw a video that lasted 2.54 minutes….
David Robertson, Damaso Marte, Boone Logan, Sergio Mitre, and Alfredo Aceves available to work out of the pen tonight but with the way C.C. has been pitching, not much help may be needed.
Taking the 5th series in a row is assured and possibly the 2nd straight sweep.
Life is good in Yankeeland.
Who is going to be the next Yankee pitcher to take a no hitter into the 8th? Great to see Phil throwing strikes 70% of the time and being able to throw his fastball consistantly 92-94 mph. CC gives the Yanks another series sweep this afternoon.
How on earth did Phil Hughes fall to # 23 in the 2004 draft ?
And how were the Yankees that lucky to get him ?
By the way, for you trivia fans we now own the # 21 pick from that same draft.
His name- Greg Golson.
I just watch Phil’s interview on the post-game. He was positively beaming!
Doreen, check out the pic of him on RAB (I posted the link last night); beaming isn’t the word. He looked so happy on the bench…….
If I’m not mistaken, the NYY got Phil with a draft pick they acquired for losing Pettite to FA.
Just to weigh in on the “which parent does Phil resemble” topic, I think he’s got features of both parents. I would love to see a picture of his dad when he was younger, because I actually think he favors his dad more.
I will say, though, I find the whole topic personally amusing, because while my older daughter can often look exactly like me, I see a lot of her paternal grandfather in her; and my younger daughter – depending on whether or not the person feeling compelled to comment has ever seen my husband, looks either exactly like me or exactly like him.
And my husband and I look nothing alike, 
Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 8:42 am
Doreen, check out the pic of him on RAB (I posted the link last night); beaming isn?t the word. He looked so happy on the bench??.
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Betsy, I saw that picture on RAB-I would say he’s beaming
NYYROC-
If you want to have a good laugh take a look back some of the players who were selected AHEAD of Hughes in that draft.
How was he not taken near the very top ?
What a break for the Yankees.
Betsy -
I did! I saw it earlier this morning. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him look so relaxed and happy!
You know, it occurs to me that the Yankees still don’t have a #5 starter.
Listening to local sports radio this a.m. After the job done by Phil last night they are realizing how good this staff is. They didn’t expect Phil to be this good and thought he might be inconsistant enough to go back to the BP.
MTU, I don’t know why PH wasn’t taken sooner. But I believe back then teams shied away from drafting HS pitchers because they were considered too raw and too far away from the ML. College pitchers were preferred because it was easier to project what they’d be like at the ML level.
Fun watching Mo’s post-game, watching all the guys going in and out of “kitchen.”
NYYROC-
Well a lot teams missed the boat didn’t they ?
Luckily for us.
Okay, time to start the laundry.
This was the site that guy Bob posted; I have been reading it and this guy is excellent. Thanks Bob. I even looked at his postseason notes prior and he was spot on. Best yankee info I have found for in depth stuff without fluff.
BTW, HUGE hit from Gardner
http://www.stevewigdor.blogspot.com/
Gotta give C-Money credit for not panicing and trading PH, etc for Santana back in 2007. When you look at some of the names proposed in that possible trade(not saying it was 4 for 1 but these names were mentioned) it really has turned out to be one of the best deals never made for the NYY. Hughes has helped out of the pen and now looks great as a SP. Joba is still valuable and now the EIG. Melky became part of the Vazquez deal and IPK was part of the Grandy deal.
Nick in SF-
All I can say is.
You lucky B—–d.
You were there.
Hope you ate a minimum of 2 In n Out burgers.
Phil deserved that.
I think Phil may have been also considering going to college and pitch. That could be why some teams may have passed on him. I believe the Yanks #1 pick from last year went that route and went to college instead of signing with the Yanks.
NYYROC,
I admit that I was one of those who thought that Cashman should have made the Santana deal. However, I realize that Cashman made the right move. And in addition to your point, the Yankees also have CC. When Cashman passed on Santana he was thinking ahead to signing CC.
Let’s not get too carried away with Phil. he will have his rough moments. Last night Phil and Posada worked the cutter and fastball great, but that Oakland lineup is probably the worst in baseball and two foul balls would have not been outs in other parks.
I am very happy Phil pitched great and he showed how much the cutter will change his game. His cutter opens up his entire arsenal with another pitch to modify speeds off his fastball. He also has a plus curve.
I just want to temper this greatness piece right now. Great game, but he isn’t Halladay.
The Genius Maker blog I posted made a comment about Jeter swinging at the first pitch with Gardner on 1st base and 2 outs. Did anyone else see that? If so, he is right, you have to give Gardner a chance to steal there.
It was thier 2008 pick. His name was Gerrit Cole.
Guru-
You’re right about tempering expectations longer term but there is absolutely nothing wrong with reveling in the moment.
Fran, the Santana deal still might have been a good one. I also believe that CC would still be here, but Burnett would not be. It was a very tough decision and either way would not have been a bad one in my opinion. I would have traded away Phil in a Halladay deal and I still would as he is without question a top 3 pitcher and when guys like that are available you grab them whenyou have a larger payroll.
MTU, Yeah, I don’t mean to get down on people for being excited; heck I surely was/am, but let’s just keep it in perspective right now. I am actually more excited that he has a legitimate cutter
Guru Man
The problem I had with that blog is it seemed as if he thought he knew more than Girardi. To much criticism after a good game. Just my thoughts.
we should get the catcher talk out now before the lineup. I assume Cervelli will start today with day after night. Someone is going to say that cervelli is becoming CC’s personal catcher but it is just coincidence that it is day after night.
By the way, that horrible game caller Posada has done a pretty good job with the starters and relievers this year no?
Say what you want about the A’s lineup, but the Angels, who do have good hitters, didn’t hit Hughes either. The BBs are too high, but 16Ks, 4 hits and just 2 hard hit balls in 12.2 IP is pretty impressive. I do not expect PH to go 7 hitless every time. But he has the stuff, command and after pitching in the BP last year, the confidence and aggressive attitude he needs to succeed. Watching the game, when Barton got to 2nd early in the game, it looked like PH went into his “reliever mode” and got the last out so the run wouldn’t score. Fun to watch.
Doreen-
The game is 3:30 right?? Generally the window should close around 3 hours prior to the game. Which would be 12:30
Gret performance by Phil. ood chance for the sweep with CC going today. Glad todayis a late afternoon game so I can watch the NFL draft tonight.
Well if after 14 games CC, and Phil are flirting with complete games and perfect games, Yankees and fans alike are in for a great season.
With Aj looking dominate, Andy being good and seemingly on a mission to help his team win, the Yankees unitedly are a force to reckon with.
CC is 2-4 lifetime against Oakland ion while a sweep would be great from a division leader, for CC it’s another notch in his belt, a “feta compli .”
I hope the bats are alive, so Mariano can rest.
NFL Draft !? why not just watch paint dry? There will be Yankee encore !
And if you want another positive to think about.
The Yankees have still not been shutout.
Damon enjoy 27….think 28 April 22nd, 2010 at 9:15 am
I hope the bats are alive, so Mariano can rest.
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I think he’ll be resting regardless. Didn’t Girardi say Mo and Joba would not be available today?
Maine Yankee, way too many people jumped off Phil’s bandwagon; now they’re probably going to try and jump back on, but it’s too late. The bandwagon has left the station, lol.
Doreen, lol – that’s true. Of course it’s just 2 starts, but that’s not the point (just making a general point, not directing this to you). The point is that we are watching a kid developing before our eyes and are seeing how good he can be. VERY good is the answer.
Who’s not keeping anything in perspective? We’re hardly going overboard on seeing Phil develop into a legitimate #1 – the kid was dominant last night and we’re gushing (as we should).
Mo and Joba are likely not going to be made available today. Mo in particular after throwing a lot of pitches last night and some the night before. Joe usually doesnt like to use Mo 3 games in a row if he can help it.
Hopefully they score enough that this question doesnt come up. Or CC goes all Texas Rangers on them and completely shuts them down with few pitches.
He only walked 2 last night….and the Angel game was his first start in a year; I expected his control to be off and it was, but he wasn’t wild in that game.
Erin,
I believe you are right about Mariano and Joba not being available today. I would think that Robertson would be the closer today.
Phil Yuse is a starting Pitchah!
He only walked 2 last night….and the Angel game was his first start in a year; I expected his control to be off and it was, but he wasn’t wild in that game.
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The ump in Phil’s first game was pinching both pitchers. So his walk total should be taken with a grain of salt from that game.
“Great game, but he isn’t Halladay.”
Who said he was Halladay? He was impressive last night and I think most people realize he will struggle at times this year like 23 year olds do. I think folks are just happy to see a glimpse at a possible future, nothing wrong with that. He’s not Halladay right now (nobody is) but what he is is 10 years younger with a lot of talent.
Erica -
Thanks.
So, to keep a 3-hour window of GTLU in place:
Today’s Guess the Line Up is now open for business.
I will accept lineups from now (9:30 a.m.) through 12:30 p.m., or until the first lineup appears on Twitter.
Good luck!
“How on earth did Phil Hughes fall to # 23 in the 2004 draft ?
And how were the Yankees that lucky to get him ?
By the way, for you trivia fans we now own the # 21 pick from that same draft.
His name- Greg Golson.”
He was a HS pitcher. I think college pitchers were the big hoopla at the time. Yankees were also interested in Jered Weaver if he fell. And the Angels had interest in Hughes too.
Betsy – Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 22nd, 2010 at 9:20 am
Maine Yankee, way too many people jumped off Phil?s bandwagon; now they?re probably going to try and jump back on, but it?s too late. The bandwagon has left the station, lol.
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This is a RS call in show. So no bandwagon jumping. Just a “gulp” moment seeing how good this staff is.
SS Jeter
DH Johnson
1B Teixeira
3B Rodriguez
2B Cano
RF Swisher
CF Granderson
LF Gardner
C Cervelli
Thanks!
Phil being squeezed or pinched in his first start is all part of the process. Phil will need to learn from that if he is to become an elite pitcher. I think he will. Betsy you are right, he was not wild at all in that first game. I don’t recall his first walk last night, but the 2nd one was just a good AB by the A’s hitter.
MaineYankee, I know what you mean, but I am of the belief that just because you won does not mean the best decisions were made. Sometimes wrong decisions win games and sometimes you can lose with the correct decisions. However, in the long run when you make good decisions you will win more than you will lose.
The part I like about the blog is that this guy lays it out there for all to see and in reading the archives he has a great understanding of the game. he also was a Division I catcher so he isn’t just some fan (although it is not unreasonable to think that some fan somewhere may have a better understanding of the game than people who are in the game – Cashman was a mail clerk)
I read all the Yankee stuff I can find and I have to say that The Genius maker makes me think more than any other site I have seen. BTW, he is a fan, but he isn’t afraid to call out the Yankee players and I like that…to each is own
I am just thrilled that we are 11-3 and we know as long as we stay healthy we will be there!
hmmm…another lefty…what will Girardi do so he wins GTLU again…
actually, I like Erin’s line up
SS Jetes
DH Nick the BB machine
1B Tex
3B Alex
2B Robbie
RF Swish
CF Granderson
LF GGBG
C Cervelli
LOL I didn’t even see that comment. So, someone is complaining because a 23 year old has the nerve not to be Halladay?
Maine, oops I forgot that you’re not in NY. LOL then good…. I’ll be curious to see if NY sports radio talk shows start off with Phil, but I doubt it. Joe and Evan on WFAN will probably start off talking about Rothlisberger.
upstate kate April 22nd, 2010 at 9:37 am
hmmm?another lefty?what will Girardi do so he wins GTLU again?
actually, I like Erin?s line up
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Thanks kate! Hopefully we’ll win
Phil, that was a good at bat – also, I think Phil was tired. Either way, 2 BBs and 10 Ks is a fantastic outing, but that’s what happens when you through 70 strikes and only 30 balls.
Jeter SS
Johnson DH
Tex 1B
A-Rod 3B
Cano 2B
Granderson CF
Swisher RF
GGBG LF
Cervelli C
Thanks Doreen!
Guru Man
One more thing about that blog.
It’s easier to say how a situation should have been handle after the fact from the computer chair rather than in the dugout in the heat of the game.
Betsy, my point about perspective is that after this start it seems everyone is already stating that Cashman was right and Phil is a stud. I mean it isn’t absurd to think that he puts up a 5 ERA the rest of the year? It could happen. I like his cutter and because of that I believe he will be a solid pitcher, but coming out proclaiming Cashman was right is a little premature if you ask me. Again, I am really happy, but I would like to see him pitch well against a good team in his next outing and build off of it. From memory his next start is against Baltimore, so that may not show much, but let’s see him stay consistent. His last start was just OK. Anytime you have 5 walks and dinger in 5 innings it can’t be too good. So, I would say he has had one mediocre outing and one great outing…perspective
I’m allowed to say this because I’ve been saying it before he ever threw a pitch this year – while ANY pitcher “develops’ during the year and any 23 year old pitcher ALWAYS has stuff to learn, and while he’ll have bad games (as all pitchers do) and he won’t be as good as he was last night every night, Phil Hughes is a lot farther along in his development that he gets credit for.
I expect and expected him to pitch to his ability right now, regardless of what the Yanks said PUBLICLY about next year.
And I’m falling further in love with time in a ML bullpen as a standard step in the development as a major league starter. Remember, Joba Chamberlains best run as a starter came immediately after this 2007 time in the pen.
Fastball command and CONFIDENCE is what it’s all about. Far, FAR outweighs the mythical 4th pitch.
Hughes showed last night why Joba’s decreased velocity is far from his only issue and not even his biggest problem.
Phil was pretty much able to put his fastball wherever he wanted last night. And when he did miss his spot, his fastball had so much life on it the A’s were still helpless.
When Joba came up he had great command and life on his fastball. Not as good as Phil, but the extra few ticks of velocity more than made up for it. Joba has a long way to go if he ever wants to return to the rotation and pitch like Phil did last night
“Anytime you have 5 walks and dinger in 5 innings it can’t be too good. So, I would say he has had one mediocre outing and one great outing…perspective.
Guru, while I agree wholly with your point about perspective, I disagree that his last start wasn’t good. That’s judging a performance by boxscore.
If you saw him pitch, you saw that he pitched well, and given the context, last night didn’t happen outta leftfield. If you SAW him pitch against Anaheim, you expected better results last night.
Guru Man
Thanks for the link to Genuis Maker. Enjoyed his take on last nights game.
Phil is 23 and has already helped the Yankees get to and win one world series in a year Santana was out for the season with injury. Also Melky is another player that would have been in that deal for Johan. Hughes is 23 and looks to have many good years ahead of him…Johan is starting to show signs of decline.
Obviously at the time the decision was made these things weren’t the case and in that moment you could have justified making the deal. However in hindsight it does appear Cashman made the right call whether was because luck or him just having a great understanding of the players involved I don’t know, but he has shown a tendancy to know when to trade prospects and when not to….The Rangers wanted Cano in the Arod deal intially.
Sorry, I disagree Guru – I have said all along that Phil is going to be a #1. If he throws a 5 ERA for the year, then you can get back to me. His last start was not mediocre, but Stuckey already responded on that.
My lineup:
Jeter SS
Johnson DH
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Granderson CF
Cervelli C
Gardner LF
ss jeter
rf swisher
1st tex
3rd arod
2nd cano
dh thames
cf curtis
lf brett
catcher cervi” can’t spell his name”
“Fastball command and CONFIDENCE is what it’s all about. Far, FAR outweighs the mythical 4th pitch.”
yup and as you and I have discussed before I think his stent in the bullpen went a long way towards him establishing both of those things at the big league level.
“When Joba came up he had great command and life on his fastball. Not as good as Phil, but the extra few ticks of velocity more than made up for it. Joba has a long way to go if he ever wants to return to the rotation and pitch like Phil did last night.”
I think what people forget about Chamberlain is he’s shown the necessary tools as a starter. He’s been good in the rotation over multiple, consecutive starts.
It’s not a matter of learning how to use a NEW tool, it’s a matter of him relocating tools he’s demonstrated he possesses.
And the pitch to Fox wasn’t that bad. A decent righthanded hitter hit a soft liner a few feet over Cano’s head. I’ll take that sequence ever time and most times, Chamberlain gets the out there.
I mean it isn’t absurd to think that he puts up a 5 ERA the rest of the year?
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Yeah it is absurd, that’s not going to happen
My guess @ the lineup:
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Tex 1B
Alex 3B
Cano 2B
Thames DH
Grandy CF
Cervelli C
Gardner LF
MaineYankee, if you read other blogs he makes his opinions known before they happen. Some of the archives had him stating what he would do (including pitch selection as it seems he watches games with some people who read it or something) and sometimes shows when he was wrong. I think in this blog he mentioned he would have thrown more curveballs (he calls every pitch), but he stated that Posada and Hughes were right as the fastball worked. maybe a few more curves would have worked, but he stated what he felt even though what happened worked?
Also, he stated he would have taken out Hughes for Joba and that didn’t work so he leaves himself open as well; i don;t think your comment is fair in this case?
BTW, this is also the guy who predicted Cano to increase his OPS by more than 100 points before last year. He was talking about how great he was when people wanted to trade him. He also was adamant about getting CC and Tex as free agents and he said that is all the Yankees will need to do and he was right…so he makes predictions. Two other predictions that stuck out was he talked about how important Marte would be in the playoffs before they started. The other one was how he defended ARod when everyone was saying he not clutch and he threw out stats from how well he did with Seattle and against Minnesota and he was spot on. the one area where he was wrong in a prediction was that he predicted Cano to be better then year prior and he wasn’t (I guess that was 2008)
I like to see people put out solid reasoning in advance and then not be afraid to pull it out and reflect on the good and the bad.
SS Jeter
RF Swisher
1B Tex
3B Arod
2B Cano
DH Posada
LF Thames
CF Granderson
C Cervelli
Thanks Doreen
“MaineYankee, I know what you mean, but I am of the belief that just because you won does not mean the best decisions were made. Sometimes wrong decisions win games and sometimes you can lose with the correct decisions. However, in the long run when you make good decisions you will win more than you will lose.”
And conversely, in the longrun, when you win more than you lost, that shows you’r making good decision.
At some point the micro-analysis has to give way to macro-pragmatism. At some point, if the end result is consistent and positive, people are going to have to consider Girardi’s decision-making in the context of a 162 game season, as opposed to managing each game as it were the superbowl, is very, very good.
Guru Man April 22nd, 2010 at 9:57 am
MaineYankee, if you read other blogs he makes his opinions known before they happen. Some of the archives had him stating what he would do (including pitch selection as it seems he watches games with some people who read it or something) and sometimes shows when he was wrong. I think in this blog
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Did this wizard make his millions from picking all of the correct lottery numbers?
I wonder who is faster ? Gardner, Mickey Rivers, Henderson, or Granderson?
Guru Man
Maybe I was to quick to judge. If I was I stand corrected.
sometimes all you need is a little patience
I say this with the upfront acknowledgment that I haven’t read the blog in question, but questioning pitch selection in the midst of a dominant pitcher performance seems fairly absurd to me.
Did this wizard make his millions from picking all of the correct lottery numbers?
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hahahaha
The following people have submitted lineups for GTLU this morning:
Erin
upstate kate
Erica
Patrick
teddy gbu
NYYROC
Phil Columbus
If you submitted a lineup but don’t see your name listed, please let me know.
teddy gbu- As long as you have 9 players with positions, spelling doesn’t count!
Jetes SS
NJ DH
Tex 1B
Alex 3B
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Granderson CF
Cervelli C
GGBG LF
Thanks Doreen
Stuckey
That is the problem with sports today. Micro managing everything because of all the access via internet and other media.
To often I’ve seen people judge a player on small sample size, either good or bad to back up their argument.
Uncle E-did you see the guy in the crowd last night that had the Yankee jersey with Costanza on the back? I want one of those! LOL
Call me superstitious but whenever Ken Singleton + a former Yankee catcher are the announcing crew for a West Coast Phil Hughes start, I am expecting something special to happen. In ’07 it was Kenny & Girardi (there may have been a third person but there was definitely no Michael Kay) calling Hughes’ failed no-hitter. Last night Kenny & Flash. Coincidence?! I think not…
Thanks Phil Columbus; I really felt it was worthy of posting here and I made it my home page to make sure I remember to go there.
Betsy, you again miss my point, I would not predict Phil to have a 5 ERA, I am just saying that it is not unreasonable to think that could happen. Javier Vazquez was 4th in the CY Young last year, do you think after his two starts he really will continue to post his same ERA?
Stuckey, I did watch the first Hughes game and I thought it was mediocre. Just too many balls. I went back and went to the Genius Maker (www.stevewigdor.blogspot.com) and had to laugh because he mentions Halladay because of the cutter. I find it interesting that he zoned in on the cutter after the first game…This was his take:
“Yesterday?s game (Thursday) saw the Yanks offense take control of the game led by Cano?s 2 line drive homers. Hughes was falling behind people as well and did not pump enough strikes at the batters. Overall, he did OK, but, 5 walks in 5 innings are not acceptable, although he should have never been out there for the 6th inning. It seems that my disagreement with the Yanks handling of pitchers has put me on the less aggressive side every time. However, after 90+ pitches through 5 innings and allowing only 1 run, I would have taken my young pitcher who I have already stated will be on a pitch inning limit out of there. It defies logic in having him throw more pitches than he ever has in a start in his first start of the year? What were they thinking? I mean isn?t an innings limit just a way to have your pitcher throw less pitches? There is no way Hughes should have come out for the 6th inning and I am sure whatever answer Girardi gave would be one I would disagree with. If Hughes were not on some inning limit then I wouldn?t be as concerned (although I still would not have done it), but for your young future (hopefully) stud?no chance he sniffs the 6th ? very poor job by Girardi. Not only that, Hughes allowed a single and a walk before exiting (and eventually a run). It gave Anaheim some life. All that being said about Hughes, it was good to see him work the changeup into his repertoire along with his good breaking ball and usually well spotted fastball. The pitch I thought was extremely effective though was his cutter. He had very good movement on that pitch and I am very confident that with that cutter, Hughes will be just fine. I hope that was not an aberration and he can throw that cutter consistently. While Hughes is not in Halladay?s league, Roy Halladay became one of the best in the game when he harnessed that cutter.”
Gb7
Trenton playing Portland next few days so you may get to follow the great Casey Kelly.
Great job by Phil, It is kind of ironic to have Joba come in for the HOLD.
Let’s not forget that Gardner is exceeding expectations so far too!
“Call me superstitious but whenever Ken Singleton + a former Yankee catcher are the announcing crew for a West Coast Phil Hughes start, I am expecting something special to happen. In ‘07 it was Kenny & Girardi (there may have been a third person but there was definitely no Michael Kay) calling Hughes’ failed no-hitter. Last night Kenny & Flash. Coincidence?! I think not…”
It was Bobby Murcer.
“Feta compli”??
I love mis-spells, and goodness knows there’s enough to laugh at in the English language, but that’s pure genius. From French to Greek in one fell swoop!!
I’m so glad that Michael Kay did not participate in yesterday’s telecast, lol; it was a pleasure not to hear him whine.
# Trevor April 22nd, 2010 at 10:11 am
“It was Bobby Murcer.”
Yeah that’s right, I just remembered Bobby was the 3rd guy. I miss that Oklahoma drawl, O’Neill comes close with the Ohio folksiness, but it’s just not the same. All told, just keep Michael Kay away from the booth when Hughes is starting. Really, just keep Michael Kay away from the broadcast booth period, but unfortunately it’s hard to do.
Stuckey, if you only question things when they don’t work then you are only really a monday morning QB. I think it is OK to question anything good or bad, as long as it based on sound reasoning and it is not just to be devils advocate (which can be annoying). The article was also not critical of the pitch selection, it was only stating that he would have mixed in a few more curve balls because the pitch was very effective. I think that is someone giving their opinion even though they knew that it might have been wrong.
I mean you can’t question bringing in Rivera in the 9th with a 2 run lead just because he blows the game, right? Well, what if Rivera had pitched in 3 straight games and the night before threw 32 pitches? Then could you question it? In what you are saying you couldn;t question it just because Rivera got the save?
MaineYankee April 22nd, 2010 at 10:10 am
Gb7
Trenton playing Portland next few days so you may get to follow the great Casey Kelly
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Have you figured out who pitching for trenton, yet? Maybe you draw Mitchell, Bleich or Phelps. Sounds like a fun series to watch? It might answer the question of the ages. “Who has the best AA players? NYYs or Boston”?
SS Derek Jeter
RF Nick Swisher
1B Mark Teixeira
3B Alex Rodriguez
2B Robinson Cano
DH Marcus Thames
CF Curtis Granderson
C Francisco Cervelli
LF Brett Gardner
Doreen,
Here is my line-up:
Derek SS
Swisher RF
Tex 1B
ARod 3B
Robbie 2B
Thames DH
Curtis CF
Cervelli C
Gardner LF
Thanks for hosting
I agree about Kay, he is the worst of all the YES guys, although Tino’s lisp in annoying. I really like Singleton and Flaherty and I like Oneill on his take of hitters. Leiter is pretty good, but sometimes talks too much.
GB&
If you e-mail Mike Ashmore he can tell you who’s pitching.
Guru,
Not the best citation of a blogger I think you mean to defend/promote.
His “I can’t understand why Girardi sent him out for the 6th” is a CLASSIC example of pointless micro-analysis.
That game was WON and Hughes followed up with last night.
That’s why baseball does not lend itself to inning-per-inning analysis.
And “it defies logic”? Really?
Guy frankly sounds like a common forum fan to me who just so happened to feel self-important enough to launch a blog.
SS Jeter
DH Johnson
1B Teixeira
3B Rodriguez
2B Cano
LF Thames
RF Swisher
CF Granderson
C Cervelli
You gotta love these people coming in and pretending to be somebody else while tooting their own horn about some all-knowing all-seeing seer, who just happens to run this amazing blog site….run by…shock of shocks….himself.
I see Angel Hernandez is inserting himself into the highlight reels once again. Sigh… You get the feeling that he and West are texting each other into the wee hours of the morning.
If Dave Trembley does not want to play the role of Ari Fleischer he either needs to get out of the Washington vicinity or start channeling Schwarzkopf.
Jason Bay made a pretty good play off the wall and throw last night just to prove that those UZR adjustments were indeed legit.
The telecasts are great without the voice of Michael Kay. He will grow old with a voice as annoying as Lindsey Nelson, but minus the loud sport coats Nelson used to wear calling the Mets games.
There were plenty of people saying Santana was showing signs of decline in ’07.
It was also pointed out that Santana had scrapped his slider in the second half of ’07.
Those facts were largely ignored by the pro-Santana crowd.
GB7,
You read my mind.
Kay does not like Phil Hughes and every Yankee fan knows it; that’s mostly why I’m glad he wasn’t on the telecast. I wouldn’t mind if he stayed away permanently at this point.
Good Morning, GB – how are you doing today?
MaineYankee April 22nd, 2010 at 10:21 am
GB&
If you e-mail Mike Ashmore he can tell you who’s pitching.
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I’ll be following that series anyway along with watching the televised Scranton games. some time today, I’ll go back and figure out who’s pitching when. It does make it a little tough though, trying to follow 5 games at the same time and keeping it all straight. Not sure what I’ll do when the rookie league seasons opens. Pull out both hairs on my head, I suppose.
Think this is high sschool but its an amazing play gotta see this kid yump.
http://www.breitbart.tv/viral-.....-to-score/
blake, that clown couldn’t be more transparent if he were made of glass. But, what do I know? after all, he is “The Guru”.
i like ken singleton, but him and flash are one of the most boring teams you could put together for a broadcast. singleton is a good color man but neither of those guys makes a good lead announcer. flaherty is flat-out sleep inducing.
You see Stuckey that is why you don’t get it. Because they won, you think it is OK? He made the comment BEFORE the game about not extending your starters in tehir first start and also made his comment about taking Hughes out after 5 without the benefit of hindsight (there is an email chain to prove it). So just because the team won the game the comment is irrelevent? If you follwo the smae flawed logic, one could say Hughes allowed both guys to get on base and put the game in jeopardy before being removed as proof he was right. But that is not the point, the point was that you have your future on the mound and he has thrown 90+ pitches in his FIRST outing of the year and he was no dominant. You have already stated that he will be on an innings limit, so why send him out there. I think the guy is 100% correct; what part of that is wrong?
BTW, the guy played division I ball as a catcher and holds an NCAA record for fielding % (I think it was for one year at 100% though) In the email chains it said he was drafted but broke a disc in his back. Not that credentials should matter as I already mentioned Cashman had no credentials
“The article was also not critical of the pitch selection, it was only stating that he would have mixed in a few more curve balls because the pitch was very effective.”
To what end?
“I mean you can’t question bringing in Rivera in the 9th with a 2 run lead just because he blows the game, right? Well, what if Rivera had pitched in 3 straight games and the night before threw 32 pitches? Then could you question it? In what you are saying you couldn;t question it just because Rivera got the save?”
First of all, my usual disclaimer: Got nothing to do with what you “can” or have a right to do. Some people choose to critique Joe Girardi’s decision-making, I’m questioning this bloggers.
What I’m saying is baseball is a game managed – out of necessity -over 162 games. That the individual inning, or AB, or line-up, or pitch selection, or pitching change must be evaluated in a larger context.
Joe Girardi has PROVEN over 2+ years now he knows how to handle Mariano Rivera. So yes, to me, speculating the worst-case scenario based of one individual move is outright silly and self-important, while I ardently defend someone’s right to do
Let me ask you something. If in the larger context, if all the little things that are first-guessed but turn well anyway, start to far outnumber the bad results, shouldn’t someone who prides themselves on analysis start to factor that into their analysis.
The idea that a manager can consistently make bad decisions that turn out okay anways is rather ludicrous, if you understand such things.
One has to start considering the person making the incorrect decisions is NOT the manager.
To: Damon enjoy 27….think 28
I chuckled when you said “feta compli”.
Your “notch in his belt” comment was cheesy to me… LOL…
… Feta is a Greek cheese, often used in Greek salads.
… you see my humor owrks in strange ways.
FYI, “feta compli” should be “fait accompli”.
Morning, betsy? I’m doing just fine, thank you for asking. Hope all is well in your world? Your boy did well last nightm huh? very impressive in both starts this season.
“fait accompli”, and “touche” are important French baseball terms.
This is from Mike Ashmore’s blog
4/22 – RHP Eammon Portice (2?0, 2.08) vs. RHP Lance Pendleton (1?2, 6.23)
4/23 – RHP Casey Kelly (0?0, 0.00) vs. RHP DJ Mitchell (1?1, 4.15)
4/24 – RHP Stephen Fife (0?1, 4.00) vs. RHP Ryan Pope (0?1, 4.20)
4/25 – LHP Felix Doubront (2?0, 3.21) vs. LHP Jeremy Bleich (1?1, 2.04)
“Feta Compli” is what happens when you order your Greek salad without cheese and it still comes with cheese.
Free Cheese!
GB7 I have been posting here for many months, in fact I have debated a few points with you before, I don’t write often though, but you are wrong. In fact, you and I and Rich from NJ were debating Brett Gardner a few months back. Rich and I were on the same side of the ledger. I have no skin in the game so I could care less, but I am just stating my opinion about the site. The guy who brought that site into this forum was a guy named Bob, might have been NJ Bob? I usually click on the links people bring here as there have been some good articles (The Bleacher Report was another that someone posted that I found interesting)…
GB, glad to hear it. Yep, I’m pretty much over the moon. Jerkface made a good point; I’m glad Phil has gotten off to such a great start, showing just how good he can be. If he hadn’t, although the Yankees would have been patient, fans and the media would have called for the kid’s head. I’m happy for Phil that his parents got the chance to see him perform; what a dream night for the family.
Bronx-
I have been Parmesana non-grata around here at times.
Some fool comes in and yammers on about some body’s spelling and the misspells “owrks”.
“Perfeckt”, huh??
“Because they won, you think it is OK?”
I think because they won, and nothing negative happened as a byproduct makes it okay yes.
Lack of a negative consequence is not something that should be factored into analysis.
Is that your argument?
“So just because the team won the game the comment is irrelevent? ”
No, the comment is irrelevant in of itself. Just as my comments and your comments are irrelevant.
“But that is not the point, the point was that you have your future on the mound and he has thrown 90+ pitches in his FIRST outing of the year and he was no dominant. You have already stated that he will be on an innings limit, so why send him out there. I think the guy is 100% correct; what part of that is wrong?”
The part that assumes to know Hughes capability and arm strength five days ago better than Joe Girardi and Dave Eiland.
It’s a one-size fits all notion, than baseball players and situations aren’t individual, but subject to the same hard and fast rules.
“BTW, the guy played division I ball as a catcher and holds an NCAA record for fielding % (I think it was for one year at 100% though) In the email chains it said he was drafted but broke a disc in his back. Not that credentials should matter as I already mentioned Cashman had no credentials.”
I’m not questioning his baseball credential, I’m questioning his THINKING credentials.
Kay is jealous of Hughes, maybe Kim Jones finds Hughes cute and Michael does not like that.
GTLU,
Thames is 4 for 11 against Braden. Hope Joe doesn’t pick today to rest another starter. (Tex?)
Derek Jeter SS
Nick Swisher RF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodiquez 3B
Robison Cano 2B
Marcus Thames DH
Curtis Granderson CF
Frank Cervelli C
Bret Gardner LF
Thanks Doreen
Guru Man April 22nd, 2010 at 10:38 am
GB7 I have been posting here for many months, in fact I have debated a few points with you before, I don’t write often though, but you are wrong. In fact, you and I and Rich from NJ were debating Brett Gardner a few months back. Rich and I were on the same side of the ledger. I have no skin in the game so I could care less, but I am just stating my opinion about the site. The guy who brought that site into this forum was a guy named Bob, might have been NJ Bob? I usually click on the links people bring here as there have been some good articles (The Bleacher Report was another that someone posted that I found interesting)…
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why would I care what two blowhards like you and Rich have to say?
GB-
“Perfeckt”, huh??”
Absolootley.
“Parmesana non-grata”
funny
Doreen:
SS Jeter
DH Johnson
1B Teixeira
3B Rodriguez
2B Cano
C Cervelli
CF Granderson
RF Swisher
LF Gardner
Kay just never got over August 2007 when Phil struggled mightily after returning from his injuries; Phil disappointed him and once you disappoint Kay, he will never let it go. Oh well – too bad for him.
“From French to Greek in one fell swoop!!”
I blake Iceland.
MTU (aka GBURL) April 22nd, 2010 at 10:39 am
Bronx-
I have been Parmesana non-grata around here at times.
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That’s a pretty Gouda pun, MTU.
Jesus….this is going to get out of hand.
That means non grated Parmesan right?
And it is quite good shaved. Baby spinach, walnuts, maybe some sliced pears with lemon and olive oil.
What about me and Iceland?
Here’s mine Doreen:
ss jetes
dh The Stickman
1b Hoover texeira
3b Destroy-Rod
2b Can Do
LF Thames river
RF Swisheroo
c Cervelli eyes
cf Grandy man
Thank You.
the yankees announcers just stink top to bottom. since they chased kaat and murcer passed, they’ve got nobody.
Stuckey, what was the reason the Yankees brass said Hughes would be on an innings limit (rhetorical)? Why push him in his first start of the year? Your 162 game example is exactly the reason you don’t push Hughes in his first start of a year where he is on an innings limit.
This is the same absurd discussion people have when you say pro football coaches screw up time management and they say, C’mon, they are professionals they know what they are doing…sometimes they make bad mistakes and sometimes those bad mistakes cost you a game and sometimes they don’t, yet a bad mistake is still a bad mistake.
As for Girardi many people wanted Girardi gone after year 1 as the Yanks missed the playoffs for the first time. However, anyone who knows anything about the game knew that Girardi handled the bullpen far better than Torre ever did. Things just didn’t work out for the Yanks in year 1, but that didn’t mean he was wrong how he handled the pen. According to you Girardi should have been gone because the Yanks lost. Now I guess after winning it all Girardi is great? ARod was a choker until he played great right?
GB7 you are an insecure person
I do not know what was so disappointing about Hughes. If you don’t count his first start back from injury, he pitched a 4 ERA in the AL east as a 20 year old and finished the season with 7 strong innings
I don’t see Johnson DHing today. I think that Thames DHs against the lefty and either Gardner or Winn starts in that big left field.
i expect to see arod sit out today.
“Once you disappoint Kay, he will never let it go. Oh well – too bad for him.”
Mike Mussina agrees with this sentiment.
Guru Man April 22nd, 2010 at 10:50 am
GB7 you are an insecure person
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Why? Because I think that you’re a clown and full of BS?
Jeter SS
Swish RF
Tex 1B
Arod 3B
Cano 2B
Thames DH
Grandy CF
Gardy LF
Cervelli C
Good grief, it was Phil’s first official start but he had already been extended beyond 100 pitches in his previous simulated start and Girardi said ““I liked the way he was still throwing the baseball. We talked about that we would let him get up to 110.”
Girardi’s not just flipping coin’s in the dugout.
blake: something clouded my thinking.
Wait sorry, I meant to swap the bottom 2 so:
Jeter SS
Swish RF
Tex 1B
Arod 3B
Cano 2B
Thames DH
Grandy CF
Cervelli C
Gardy LF
New Post: Today in The Journal News
What did Hughes do to disappoint Kay?
Where the whole thing gets hairy is when you are trying to figure out if you are a pamesana non-grata persona, just a plain parmesana
non-grata, or merely a parmesana persona ?
That is difficult to figure.
But I just like cheese.
Watched the archived game last night (hoping to hear Flash talk about “X being proud of his fastball”). I watched only Phil’s half innings, but fell asleep before the 5th.
I’m going to check out the site that Guru recommended. I’ll say a couple of things, though. There have been and will continue to be very few things that are perfect. As long as the team wins, I can’t be concerned about little things like Gardner not stealing earlier in the game. You think he didn’t want to? The pitchers know he’s going to go, so they try to throw him off rhythm by looking over, stepping off, or (shock!) throwing over to 1B. so, it’s good that the writers & bloggers (amateur & paid) put for their opinion, but that’s all it is, their opinion. The most important thing is the W-L record.
Also, I don’t know what Cashman’s credentials have to do with anything. He’s got the one that counts, the title of GM. He earned his stripes working his way up for years. And it’s not like he’s never picked up a bat & glove. As far as I’m concerned, Cashman and Girardi have both bought themself a lot of equity with the fans…and the writers/bloggers.
Mike_Boston -
Got it.
Howdy GB I see you are taking on the intellectuals around here for a change.
Why would Rodriguez sit today against a left hander that he’s 2-2 with a homer against? He may sit against Santana tomorrow in LA on Friday instead.
“Why push him in his first start of the year? Your 162 game example is exactly the reason you don’t push Hughes in his first start of a year where he is on an innings limit.”
No, it’s not. Because sometime during this year Joe Girardi is going to feel the need to push Hughes. He simply choose to do it in his first OFFICIAL start of the year (he has thrown over 100 pitches in his EST starts). I think he was sending Hughes a message, which is ANOTHER task a manager has to factor into his decision-making.
The logic, that sometime in 2010, Joe Girardi is going to wish he had that ONE inning back, is classic self-important hyperbole.
“yet a bad mistake is still a bad mistake.”
Time-management is a flawed analogy. The negative result is there to see and analyize.
What negative result did Girardi’s decision lead to?
“According to you Girardi should have been gone because the Yanks lost. Now I guess after winning it all Girardi is great? ARod was a choker until he played great right?”
No, you’re not following along well enough if that’s your conclusion.
First of all. Alex Rodriquez’s struggles has nothing to do with decision-making, so that a total swing and miss and I’m beginning to understand why this blogger appeals to you if that’s your best effort at a counter-argument.
Second of all, I think Girardi managed just fine in 2008. The Rays just happened to play better that year.
Honestly, if that really your interpretation of my argument?
No more lineups here.
Here we go with IF. But if this rotation suffers only normal yearly problems, the occasional couple game cool period almost everyone has. This should be amazing year for Yankee ptichers, IF!
Bronx Born April 22nd, 2010 at 10:57 am
Howdy GB I see you are taking on the intellectuals around here for a change.
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Morning, Bronx. How’s the book coming along? Hope all is well for you.
Yeah, I woke up cranky (there’s a real shock) and decided to see what silliness was being spewed. I’m never disappointed.
That was as dominant a 7+ inning game as you’re likely to see from anybody last night. I don’t care if it was Oakland or not. Hughes is one of the few yankee pitchers that has been able to control suzuki in 3 years, and, in a close game, that says something. He was trying to get hitters out and match a fine pitcher like sheets. I’d say it was a complete success.
Stuckey, let’s just leave as I don’t agree with you and you don’t agree with me, if you feel Girardi pushed Hughes in his first start to “send a message” That is ridiculous.
“Stuckey, let’s just leave as I don’t agree with you and you don’t agree with me,”
No thank you.
“if you feel Girardi pushed Hughes in his first start to “send a message” That is ridiculous.”
The point is, however, what *I* feel is irrelevant. What is likely objectively ridiculous, however, is the notion that this one inning will somehow wind up a tipping point in the 2010 season of Phil Hughes, and I believe you’re bowing out the discussion only to hit-and-run with that last weak rebuttal leads me to conclude you realize this as well.
GreenBeret7
“Some fool comes in and yammers on about some body’s spelling and the misspells “owrks”.”
First off GB7… Calling names is not the best approach- “some fool…”
Second, I was attempting to make a joke, and was laughing at myself in the process-
“you see my humor owrks in strange ways.”
Third, it is pretty clear that “owrks” is a typo, which is a simple mechanical error.
Fourth, I will give you the benefit of the doubt regarding the typo in your comment-
“…and the misspells “owrks”.”
I would appreciate an apology…
SportsGeek don’t let it get you down, he is just an insecure person and feels better telling everybody else that they are blow hards and idiots.
Stuckey, nice try, Yeah I am trying to conclude a fruitless discussion and that makes me wrong? No, I do not feel one inning will tip any scales, but if you think the first outing is one to send a message or to push a guy than you have no clue.
My first ever GTLU attempt, so I’ll throw in a curveball:
Jeter SS
Johnson 1B
Cano 2B
A Rod 3B
Posada C
Granderson CF
Swisher RF
Thames DH
Gardner LF
What a thrill to see Phil pitch that gem last night Young power pithchers are the way to go and thank Brian for not trading Phil in a deal for Santana. Now if the Yankees could find a lefty young power pitcher like CC to complement Phil. Hopefully the baseball draft might provide the opportunity in June.