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Postgame notes: “The only choice I have is to lower my shoulder”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Apr 24, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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Anyone out there ever had a running game story written for a West Coast baseball game only to have your computer lose the entire file in the ninth inning? Trust me when I tell you it’s not a fun experience.

Then again, I have to assume it’s also no fun being run over by Mark Teixeira. Here’s his take on the third-inning collision that sent Bobby Wilson to the hospital.

“As soon as I came around third I picked up (Jorge Posada) who was telling me to slide,” Teixeira said. “It was going to be a close play. I saw he was on the plate, but I saw he didn’t have the ball yet, so I started to get down and make my slide. As soon as he turned toward me, I figured he had the ball and in that instance, the only choice that I have is to lower my shoulder and try to knock the ball loose.”

Turns out, Wilson didn’t have the ball. He’d started to turn before the ball got there and the result was viscous. Wilson has a concussion and was sent to for x-rays and a CT scan. His ankle took a beating through all of the chaos.

Both managers, though, called it a clean play, and it turns out Wilson and Teixeira were teammates with the Angels back in 2008 when Wilson was a September call-up. Teixeira had talked to him before the game and wished him luck. It was Wilson’s first major league start.

“You never wan tot hurt anybody,” Teixeira said. “You just want to knock the ball loose. I’ve run into a dozen catchers in my career. Unfortunatly, this is the first one that’s gotten hurt.”

Here’s Teixeira talking after the game.

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• Kendry Morales was already 4-for-6 in his career against Joba Chamberlain, but Joe Girardi said he dismissed those numbers because five of the at-bats came when Chamberlain was working as a starter.

• As for the home run pitch, Chamberlain said it was supposed to be a slider in, but it didn’t have its usual late break. “You can’t throw any breaking balls for a strike to him,” Chamberlain said. “It started where we wanted, it just didn’t get there.”

• Bad bunt attempt by Brett Gardner in the sixth inning. Gardner said it was a pitch up, which explains why he couldn’t get it down. He should have let it go for a ball. “He was bunting for a hit,” Girardi said. “Problem was, the pitch was up.”

• Girardi on whether Teixeira should have taken a different approach on the play at the plate: “You don’t want the runner going in gingerly because that’s how they get hurt.”

• A.J. Burnett said too many fastballs ran back over the middle of the plate tonight. “I was overthrowing,” he said. He was also disappointed in his curveball, which he graded as a D- so far this season.

• Burnett did throw a handful of changeups, including the pitch that Hideki Matsui grounded for a double play.

• Four players were hit by a pitch this game, two Yankees and two Angels.

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202 Responses to “Postgame notes: “The only choice I have is to lower my shoulder””

  1. Carl April 24th, 2010 at 3:09 am

    Chad can you do something about these trolls? It’s ridiculous. The same people every night making the game thread a pain. I know you can ban ip’s. Pete used to do it.

  2. RalphieD (OPPC) April 24th, 2010 at 3:19 am

    Yes i agree with Carl, this place is becoming unbearable due to all the trolls and bashers

  3. SAS April 24th, 2010 at 3:21 am

    Chad, I couldn’t agree more than I do with Carl. I was not using the site when Pete was here, but the language used on the game blog tonight was obscene and vile. I am in AZ for another week and the only way to follow the game was on here. I enjoy the opinions of some fine baseball minds.

    Thanks in advance and for all your terrific work.

  4. Just A Visitor April 24th, 2010 at 3:41 am

    There’s a small group of us who have been blogging during the games for the past couple of years at:
    yankeefansunite.freeforums.org

    I know the LoHud is the happening place to be, but if there’s anyone who’s interested in a registration required and troll-free blogging experience, feel free to join us.

  5. Wang IS Taiwan April 24th, 2010 at 3:50 am

    It’s too bad when comments turn nasty. I follow the blog a lot, but haven’t posted in ages. (No time, really — but the game was Sat morning here in Taiwan).

    Anyway, I did want to say that I was disappointed in Girardi’s post-game comments I read elsewhere. He basically took none of the responsibility for the poor matchup, but blamed Joba instead.

    What the heck is he giving Joba the 8th inning so early in the season for, anyway? Joba’s been known for not working for things as it is. He needs to prove that he deserves it. Mix ‘em up in the bullpen until someone steps forward and is consistent for a long stretch.

    By the way, I was curious as to whether the Yanks’ games would be shown over here after Wang left, but they still are. Of course, they’re also broadcasting the lowly Nationals, as well. Go figure. ;)

  6. Jim Mason April 24th, 2010 at 4:06 am

    It was commented on in the game thread: “At least Melky did some big things for this team and he’s in Atlanta now. Joba has done nothing so far. The guy failed in the 2007 ALDS, he got injured in 2008 and his stuff has never been the same since.”

    Are you kidding me? you blame Joba for the 2007 ALDS loss? In the bug game, look at how many guys A-Rod left on base. Torre said his one regret in his tenure was not trying to stop the game with the bug swarm. Jeeez, Joba has been and will be great in the 8th inning. Failed in the 2007 ALDS? Oh, and he gave up another run in Game 3 that was meaningless.

    Comments like this are just uninformed, reactionary and stupid. You can get on Girardi for the matchup tonight but you are not over 2007 yet? In case you missed it they won the Series last year. clown.

  7. Chris April 24th, 2010 at 4:13 am

    Hey, Chad. I’ve been a reader of this blog for a long time but I don’t post too often. The trolls that have started recently are really becoming annoying. Please ban them if you can. Thanks and keep up the great work!

  8. Giuseppe Franco April 24th, 2010 at 7:44 am

    That was one hell of a blast by Teixeira. You don’t see those kinds of hits very often.

    Maybe he can start working on the trolls who invade this site during the game threads. :)

    Registration would filter out a lot of the trolls. But this suggestion has been made about a thousand times the last couple of years and the decision makers at LoHud have been against it.

    I suppose quantity is much more important than quality. There really are a lot of great baseball minds who are regular contributors to this blog. And many of them stay clear of this place during game threads because of the trolls.

    It’s been a problem for a long time.

  9. blake April 24th, 2010 at 7:54 am

    don’t understand why Gardner would be bunting for a hit there. With his speed every time he bunts at all its for a hit..the objective there is to move the runners and that should have been his #1 priority..not thinking about running Also..maybe that contributed to him bunting a high pitch, maybe it didn’t but if that’s true them that’s not a good aproach there IMO.

  10. blake April 24th, 2010 at 7:57 am

    Let’s hope NFL teams weren’t watching the game last night..they might try to draft Tex after that hit…it was a clean play though..pretty obvious he just got caught in between sliding and not sliding.

  11. SJ44 April 24th, 2010 at 8:05 am

    Last night was an embarrassing night for this blog.

    If they can’t control racist trolls, that’s inexcusable for any blog, let alone a newspaper blog.

    By allowing it, you are accepting that type of behavior and that’s sad.

  12. blake April 24th, 2010 at 8:07 am

    The troll situation is irritating but I do think you create a slippery slope when you start banning people just for saying bad things about the Yankees.

    When the comments turn personal towards other posters or the language becomes vile (like last night) the moderators have stepped in.

    Trolls are like parasites..they can’t live unless you feed them and the decision of many on here to continually do that contributes to the problem. If everyone could have the willpower to skip over their posts then that would go a long way towards fixing the problem IMO.

  13. blake April 24th, 2010 at 8:11 am

    SJ,
    I agree with you..to me there is a big difference in somebody getting on here and saying ” the Yankees suck” or something like that and the kind of crap that was posted last night. That poster was banned pretty quickly but its sad nonetheless.

  14. blake April 24th, 2010 at 8:16 am

    My uber-sox fan college roomate has stepped away from the ledge he was about to jump off a little bit since Ortiz finally hit a homer and Lester had a good outing…

    Rest assured a blown save by Pap or a Ofer by the Youka will inch him right back towards the edge again.

  15. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 24th, 2010 at 8:17 am

    It looks like the most egregious posts were eliminated overnight. I read through the game thread this morning. But I’m glad I turned in when I did. Perhaps it would be worthwhile for the newspaper to put a moderator on during the game threads for a while, at least until it gets back under control?

    The nuisance trolls are bad enough – they interrupt the thread with inane postings, and it’s an annoyance to have to continually scroll past them, but it’s always been the really nasty ones that destroy the evening.

    Anyway. I decided to call it a night at 4-4, and I exected the slugfest to continue. Pleasantly surprised that AJ got it together enough, apparently, to hold the Angels until he gave way to Robertson in the 7th. Unfortunately, Santana must have done the same to the Yankees?

    I wasn’t here, so I won’t get into the first-guessing about Girardi’s move to put Joba in in the 8th in spite of a good (and brief) showing by Robertson in the 7th. But it is interesting to me, and it might simply be anecdotal, that Joba did better in the 8th BEFORE he was officially named the “8th inning guy.” His last two outings have been shaky, and it’s those two outings that have occurred after the coronation. Small sample size, for sure, but interesting, nonetheless.

    I will say that in a tie game, I would have thought that bringing in the Marte/Logan to face the lefties would seem to be a better way to go. But let’s face it, the Yankees just don’t fare well in Anaheim no matter what they do. I hope Pettitte is on today.

    It was nice that Johnson had a solid hit last night, and I hope that’s a sign that he’s working on things and it’s about to turn around for him. Because the idea of having to pinch-hit for your DH, regardless of Thames’ ability to hit lefties, is somewhat unsettling. However, as far as saying NJ would have gotten on via walk, it has been pointed out here that lately he hasn’t been getting walks, he’s been striking out looking. So, for one night, I can understand.

    Not every game is going to turn out pretty. And the west coast trips stink. But if they take at least one here in Anaheim, they’re 3-3 in Cali and I’d take that most of the time.

  16. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 24th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    blake -

    I agree with you about the “negative” trolls (as opposed to the racist, misogynist trolls). There was too much interaction with them, and as difficult as it may be, they must be ignored totally.

  17. Giuseppe Franco April 24th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    blake,

    I can understand the “slippery slope” argument. It is used often, especially by newspapers who don’t want to be viewed as an organization who quells so called “free speech.”

    But this is their site and they are free to ban anyone they wish, especially if they visit here simply to be a nuisance to the rest of us and not to contribute to the overall discussion. They just choose not to.

    Most every other blog does have registration. Granted, they do not get the traffic that LoHud does but something has to give when you have these problems surfacing so often.

  18. Bronx Born April 24th, 2010 at 8:24 am

    Doreen & Blake,

    I think the thing with trolls, is that it makes so little sense, that you almost want to communicate with them to find out why they are wasting their time here. of course by that time it is too late as their entire purpose is to disrupt and by acknowledging their presence they are succeeding in their quest. It is interesting and sad that a person would do something like that and I think we interact with them just to find out what motivates them. They are there to disrupt and will leave if not fed. So don’t feed the trolls is truly the only recourse.

  19. blake April 24th, 2010 at 8:27 am

    Doreen,

    If there isn’t going to be registration then the only way to combat them is to totally ignore them..still leads to a cluttered thread but that’s all you can do really…to argue back with them is what they want.

  20. SJ44 April 24th, 2010 at 8:28 am

    They need to do what Pete used to do to repeat offenders. Print their names on the blog. That always worked.

  21. Bronx Born April 24th, 2010 at 8:29 am

    GF – they have been talking about registration, since this blog started up and nothing has ever happened with it. I think it must be against the paper’s policy somehow. We have a lot of incredible posters on here which is why I come to it. I have to ignore the other stuff but I guess it is worth it or would not come back. I have not seen a better Yankee blog than this one. I put up with the fireworks because there is so much great interaction.

    The trolls are disruptive and the interrupt the train of thought that is for sure. They are so completely random and out of place — but that is their purpose. I cannot allow them to upset me when I know their only purpose is to upset.

    Just my two cents.

  22. Bronx Born April 24th, 2010 at 8:30 am

    That’s a great idea SJ. LoHud could print their names and email addresses so we could annoy them for a change. lol

  23. blake April 24th, 2010 at 8:36 am

    Man I used to hate having to write my name on the board…pretty much ruined my day..I’m not sure why but its effective to 1st graders.

  24. Giuseppe Franco April 24th, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Bronx Born,

    I don’t know why registration would be against this paper’s policy and not the other newspapers. They all have it. LoHud is the exception. Maybe this is the one area where they get far more hits than the other NY newspapers and they don’t want to mess with that.

    Anyways, yeah, I know, it’s probably never going to happen. But it’s a shame when this place gets so infested with nonsense that many of the regulars who helped make this such a quality forum for baseball discussion are driven away.

    I’ve been a regular of this blog since the summer of 2006 (under a different moniker the first year or so) when 10-20 comments per game thread was a busy night and I rarely visit this place during a game. Way too much nonsense, which drowns out those baseball minds I do respect.

    Okay, enough of my ranting. This discussion happens a lot during the course of a season so let’s hope the Yanks win about 130 game to keep that stuff down to a minimum.

  25. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 24th, 2010 at 8:49 am

    SJ44 -

    I would think that’s a last resort (or second to last, if registration is the last).

    blake/Bronx Born -

    It is sometimes a real headache to scroll past them – because for me, anyway, I usually automatically start to read their posts before it registers that I should skip it. And then, I always say to myself, “darn, it’s her/him again!” Game posts are hard enough to read sometimes, because even the level-headed regulars go nuts when things start to go wrong in a game, without constantly having to constantly stop and restart your brain! :lol:

    Actually, DAN the troll was easier to deal with – as soon as I saw all caps, I knew to skip.

  26. Bronx Born April 24th, 2010 at 8:49 am

    GF- I don’t know maybe Chad or Sam can tell us why there is no registration. I know I would like to know. No one has ever told us that I can remember.

  27. Wang IS Taiwan April 24th, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Doreen —

    My point exactly about Joba’s outings since is official “knighting” of 8th inning guy. I wish Joe would just let them battle it out.

    One reason I think Joe put Joba out there last night was because he had officially made him the 8th inning guy, and Joe is kind of stubborn regarding his own decisions — at least that’s been my take on some of his decisions in the past.

    I’m not anti-Joe, but I’m no longer a fan of Joba for a multitude of reasons. Joba neither has the consistency nor the maturity yet to be given too much responsibility. I thought that Joe/the Yankees had learned that by now…

  28. blake April 24th, 2010 at 8:53 am

    This is just a guess on my part..maybe an incorrect one but I’d say the reason for no registration is because of $$..more hits to the site equals higher feeds for advertisements..just a guess.

  29. Giuseppe Franco April 24th, 2010 at 8:53 am

    BTW, that’s an awesome photo of the collision last night.

  30. blake April 24th, 2010 at 8:57 am

    Doreen,

    I understand what you’re saying…I scan by the poster’s name. If its not someone I know and enjoy reading I rarely read the first line..

  31. Scott April 24th, 2010 at 8:58 am

    THE SEASON IS OVER! THEY HAVE LOST 2 IN A ROW! HA!

  32. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 24th, 2010 at 9:01 am

    Wang IS Taiwan -

    I don’t have an objection to having an “eighth inning guy,” per se. However, game circumstances matter. And last night was not really “getting the ball to Mo,” because it was a tied game. So I think different thinking had to be in place. I don’t mind Robertson not being kept in. I do think lefties should have faced the lefties coming up for the Angels. I thought that’s what Girardi usually does.

    Anyway, I don’t think Joe is a stubborn guy, so if Joba is more ineffective than effective going forward, it’s certainly his job to lose.

    I also don’t buy that Girardi doesn’t like or doesn’t trust Robertson or Robertson is in Girardi’s doghouse. I think Robertson has had some rough outings this season and him having a positive outing last night, Joe probably figured not to push it, leave it on a high note.

    It’s a young season, and it’s not good for anyone’s mental health to get all upset over these things just yet.

  33. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 24th, 2010 at 9:02 am

    Bronx Born -

    I try to do that as well. One of the problems is with the new blog format, the names don’t stand out as much as they used to. :(

  34. Bronx Jeers April 24th, 2010 at 9:05 am

    I like Kenny and Flaherty and it’s been a nice little break from Kay but they were just harping on that collision for too long.

    There’s a reason you plow into a guy. They seemed to be ignoring it.

  35. Joe from Long Island April 24th, 2010 at 9:06 am

    Good morning all –

    Just got home from CA on the red eye – a necessary evil. Now, after a quick nap and some coffee, I’m ready to face the day and a FOX game (oh, joy).

    But first –

    Not only dealing with the loss last night, but it bothers me to read here that this place was again infested with not just trolls, but foul-mouthed ones.

    I know I’m not alone when I say that I don’t come here for gutter conversation.

    I realize that the Journal News isn’t going to go the registration route; they could have done this already.

    However, isn’t this considered an arm of the newspaper? They wouldn’t print this stuff in the Letters section, or op-ed. Why do the powers tolerate it here?

    I also realize that Chad and Sam can not stamp this out alone. They are journalists (and pretty good ones, at that). Their jobs involve writing and reporting, not being cops.

    Just like the newspaper has staff to read letters, etc, and proofread, shouldn’t they have somebody who’s job it is to read the blog posts, and deal with this stuff?

    I don’t care if it’s bannishment, or legal action. I’m not a lawyer (murphydog, are you out there?). But, this needs to be dealt with.

    As a start, though, the intelligent members of this community should just not respond to trolls. Just don’t do it, even to make fun of them. But, we still need the paper to help out here. It is their publication, after all.

  36. Rick April 24th, 2010 at 9:06 am

    Ignoring trolls helps but they still clog the blog with senseless gibberish knowing full well they can irritate a certain amount of posters which is their objective to begin with.
    Banning them entirely is the answer.

  37. Si April 24th, 2010 at 9:07 am

    Well, Tex woke up the Angels.

    The Sox won, the Yanks lost —– since the sox are playing Baltimore, the trend is not to change anytime soon.

  38. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 24th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    If the resistance to registration or another means of curtailing the trolling is $$, I have to say, in this day and age, if the choice is Lohud with trolls or no Lohud at all, I’ll suffer the trolls. Not happily, mind you.

  39. pat April 24th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Good morning!

    I’m reading all the Yankee stories online as usual with my morning caffeination and noticed the following:

    The New York Daily News gave backpage coverage to the Braden/Alex flap on Friday and it was the feature story with the obligatory would Jeter do that quote but todays follow up where that answer could be included is in a notes section and has mention of Tex’s amusement but no mention of Jeter’s response.

    The NY Post, includes the supportive quotes from Alex’s teammates in the final paragraphs of a story titled, “David Wells rips A-Rod for messing a-mound”.

    The NY Times article titled, “The Man Baseball Loves to Hate”, quotes everyone in the game who has said anything negative about Alex, asks the pre-requisite would Jeter do that question, says Alex laughed off the latest issue but doesn’t include any of his teammates supportive comments.

    Helps solidify my belief that the NY sports media has turned their coverage of Alex into a professional wrestling scenario. There are the good guys and the bad guys and Alex being shown as a bad guy is good for their business.

    News coverage shapes peoples beliefs and situations like this make me question the journalistic integrity of outlets that use half truths and skeptical of where I get my news information from.

    Okay, venting over. Carry on.

  40. PittsburghYankeeFan April 24th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    Trolls? I missed trolls? But the Sox are atrociously 4.5 games back, and it’s not even May! Let’s hope for 9 games back by June!

    On a more serious note, registration and/or IP tracing would work for me, if it starts to get out of control.

    Good, hard, back and forth ribbing is OK (remember that Phillies guy right before the start of the WS last year–breathtaking), but I thought there is a disclaimer on the comments that you can’t get racial or personal.

  41. Si April 24th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    The Braden/Alex thing seems to have happened like A month ago.

    The issue is old, old, old news. Please don’t try to bring it up again.

  42. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 24th, 2010 at 9:13 am

    pat -

    Sad. Just sad.

    I only read the Star Ledger. It only occurs to me now that only Tex’s and CC’s quotes were used and not Jeter’s.

    Interesting.

    I guess it doesn’t fit into their Jeter vs. ARod schematic that has been in place since day one. If I didn’t read that quote here, I’d never know Jeter was as amused as the rest of them.

  43. William Buckner April 24th, 2010 at 9:13 am

    “They need to do what Pete used to do to repeat offenders. Print their names on the blog. That always worked”

    The best thing Pete did that I read was he put the person’s name and company he was posting from, which was a name brand. Then he threatened to email them his comments.

    Needless to say, the comments stopped on that thread.

  44. Wang IS Taiwan April 24th, 2010 at 9:16 am

    Doreen,

    I wish I felt the same about Joe’s “streak of the donkey” (as we call it in my family), but I don’t. I do think he wanted to prove something last night by leaving Joba in — it made absolutely no sense to anyone watching. Morales has killed Joba. I think you’ve got to play matchups here and not “He’s my 8th inning guy. Period.” Perhaps Joe was showing his faith in Joba and his new role. I know he likes to show his players he believes in them. But Joba was hit hard before that — he obviously wasn’t “on” and still, he left him in. Oh well, it’s one game.

    It’s funny because after we’d won so many in a row, it felt like we’d never lose again. I think a Red Sox friend of mine felt the exact opposite before they won last night ;)

    The good thing about last night? AJ didn’t implode. He wasn’t close to having his good stuff, but managed to really show some inner strength last night. And good for him.

    We’ll get ‘em next time.

  45. Bronx Jeers April 24th, 2010 at 9:17 am

    I do think it’s possible that the foul mouthed version of the troll was just trying to get the original one banned.

    It was disturbing though.

  46. Chris from No-Where April 24th, 2010 at 9:17 am

    We just keep getting beat by the opponents’ “Yankee Killers” (Kurt Suzuki, Morales,etc). Why couldn’t they just identify them in advance and just walk them?

    Bad job by the coaches.

  47. LGY - Official 7th Inning Man April 24th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    How little sense Joe’s move to go to Joba last night has already been laid out there on this blog.

    But, I am just wondering in general how people on here feel about having an “official 8th inning man” at all.

    Personally, I think it is ridiculous and it takes bullpen management too far. You may as well just say we have 2 closers. One for the 8th and one for the 9th.

  48. RMS April 24th, 2010 at 9:19 am

    Hey Joe, trust David Robertson. The kid can pitch.

  49. dave April 24th, 2010 at 9:21 am

    The red sox have Okajima + Bard + Papalbon.

    We have ? + ? + Mo.

  50. randy l. April 24th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    joe in long island-

    the paper can’t afford a full time moderator, but it could designate 4-5 regular posters to have moderator rights( like erica, doreen, cb, pat m,nick in sf( for late night) and you so that someone is immediately available on line to zap the offenders in seconds or at most minutes .

    as far as the teixeira hit, it was totally clean. i think the catcher got caught up in the emotion of it being his first game because he’s been catching enough at this point in his minor league career to know that you don’t lead with your head when blocking the plate.

    it’s no different than a linebacker tackling a runner coming right at you. you hit with the shoulder and slide you head off to the side. the catcher put himself in a vulnerable position that instinctively he should have felt and avoided.

    too bad it happened to him, but they call it hardball for a reason.

  51. Mike S. April 24th, 2010 at 9:23 am

    The one thing I don’t like is Girardi’s quick pulls of Robertson. This marks the third recent time where Joe has pulled Robertson when Robertson hasn’t been bad at all (in fact, in those times he was quite good) only to get burned by the next guy he brought in. Case 1: Game 3, last year’s ALCS. Case 2: Opening Night this year vs. Boston. Case 3: Last evening. Joe, if Robertson is doing well, leave him the heck in there. Don’t overmanage.

  52. Giuseppe Franco April 24th, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Totally agree with Pat regarding the A-Rod/Braden dust up.

  53. blake April 24th, 2010 at 9:24 am

    LGY,
    I agree..I think you have a closer and then play the matchups. Its fine to have a setup guy thay throws the 8th most of the time but that “role” shouldn’t trump the best matchups IMO. Its easy to critize in hindsight and had Joba thrown a perfect 8th last then conversation would be different but I would have went with a lefty to start that inning.

  54. Bronx Jeers April 24th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    I nominate GB7 as moderator!!!

  55. Joe from Long Island April 24th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    randy – I’m for trying almost anything. And, nice point about leading with your head.

    About news outlets – an old mentor of mine, an older European gentleman, once told me to read many different sources of news – they each give a different slant – and then to blend them together to arrive at the truth. I’ve tried to do that since.

  56. Giuseppe Franco April 24th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    Girardi very much believes in having his players know their roles.

    I guess that’s a big reason why he made it a point that he would declare an “8th inning” guy early in the season.

    That said, I would have stuck with Robertson, too. It’s not 20/20 hindsight because it was a move I questioned before Joba threw a pitch.

  57. LGY - Official 7th Inning Man April 24th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    Wallace Matthews said yesterday he “knows for sure” Alex broken the supposed unwritten rule on purpose.

    Journalistic integrity in sports went out the window when these guys knighted themselves experts and started presenting their opinions as facts.

    The whole coverage of this Alex thing tells you exactly how to work the media. His past has killed him in this case. Feinsand and Sam both said Alex should have rolled over and taken the “high road.” Today, there is no mention from either of them about the other guys taking the high road. There was also no mention of Jeter or Mo diffusing the situation when they ripped Joe West.

    I have to say that Chad has done a fantastic job balancing his opinion with reporting and whenever he does lay out an opinion he presents it very well. He has done a great job with this blog since taking over.

  58. Laura - My Pretend Boyfriend plays for BAL April 24th, 2010 at 9:36 am

    Just read some of the Angels comments. Scioscia said it was a clean play. However, Torii Hunter and Ervin Santana disagreed. It will be interesting to see if Tex gets hit today.

  59. Phil Columbus April 24th, 2010 at 9:39 am

    It could have easily been Tex that got hurt on that play. Shows that he will do whatever it takes to win. Nice to see. Glad he didn’t get hurt. Hopefully Wilson will be O.K. and doesn’t go the way of Ray Fosse.

  60. CR9 April 24th, 2010 at 9:42 am

    FAIRNESS FROM A REFEREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    WHO KNEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    2 PENALTY KICKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ITS ABOUT EFFING TIME BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    THANK YOU ANDRE MARRINER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    GLORY GLORY MAN UNITED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  61. randy l. April 24th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    ” And, nice point about leading with your head.”

    joe on long island-

    i saw the play for the first time this morning and i cringed in the milisecond before the crash when i saw him lead with his head.

    hopefully he’s ok . the good news is i don’t think he’ll do that again.

    i would have suggested gb7 or me to be the moderator , but both of us would be too busy zapping each other just for fun :)

  62. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 24th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Phil Columbus -

    My first thought on that play was, sheesh, I hope Teixeira’s not hurt. I thought they both were going to be hurt on that play. I feel bad for the catcher, but I’m satisfied with Teixeira’s description of the play. These things happen in split seconds. If Teixeira is tentative there, he probably gets hurt as well.

    randy l -

    That’s an interesting idea.

    Joe in Long Island -

    That’s something I was told years ago as well. And it gels with the adage, there’s your story, my story and the truth falls somewhere in between.

  63. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 24th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    As for “8th inning guy,” why wouldn’t it be sufficient to say Joba or DRob (or whoever, for that matter) will be the 8th inning guy most nights? It mostly defines roles, but leaves some flexibility.

    That being said, it’s not going to go your way every night, and Anaheim is just not a good place for the Yankees to play.

  64. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    “Wallace Matthews said yesterday he “knows for sure” Alex broken the supposed unwritten rule on purpose.”

    Shouldn’t the WM word be picked up by the filter? ;)

  65. Chris April 24th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    CR9 = Troll

  66. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 24th, 2010 at 10:14 am

    A lot of hit and run because this is an especially busy weekend for me.

    Haven’t been able to keep up with the posts but I just want to say that I hope Tex apologized to the catcher, made a phone call to check up on him, or did something. I didn’t even get to read the whole lead in, so if there’s something there that said he did something, that’s great.

    Since I did get to read several of the beginning posts to see if there was a theme, I see trolls are a theme. Lots of time Fran and I have a place we disappear to during games because it allows us to bypass negativity that comes onto the forum from Yankee fans. It is inevitable, even during wins. And it is predictable from various quarters. That’s not going to go away (unfortunately for those of us who find it annoying). But they’re Yankee fan posters. The garbage that comes from trolls can be atrocious. There are will always be a core of posters who will deal with the negative Nelly Yankee fans. But I’m afraid that if the trolls are not controlled, i.e. banned by IP address, this forum is going to start to totally disintegrate.

    Hopefully the guys really take heed of this.

    I’m looking for Andy to change things around.

    And on an interesting note in terms of baseball in general, the Washington Nationals are in 3rd place in the NL East and last night beat the Dodgers (last place so maybe that’s not that big a whoop) 5-1. I’m happy about that anyway because the Nats are my adopted team.

    ********

    You don’t think that anyone would be trying to sabbotage this forum by appearing as multiple trolls do you? I would hope not.

    Good day everyone and GO YANKEES!!!

  67. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 24th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Oh yeah, and on a less happy note, damn the bullpen problems that the Rangers and O’s showed up with. We could be looking at a different WL record for the 4th place Sux otherwise. Hopefully Matusz sets them straight today.

  68. the truth April 24th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    “Scioscia said it was a clean play. However, Torii Hunter disagreed.”

    That’s because Tex isn’t black. Had he been, Hunter would’ve considered it a great play.

  69. MT. April 24th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    I’m used to morons, but since when did the trolls become racist? What happened here?

  70. pat April 24th, 2010 at 10:38 am

    Doreen

    It really is sad. It’s gotten harder to decipher real news from op ed from tabloid these days.

    Joe

    I take the same approach as your mentor. Information overload does seem to flesh out the real story.

    I found this quote from a former ML player, coach and manager in my perusing this morning that I found interesting-

    “We do not play baseball. We play professional baseball. Amateurs play games. We are paid to win games. There are rules, and there are consequences if you break them. If you are a pro, then you often don’t decide whether to cheat based on if it’s ‘right or wrong.’ You base it on whether or not you can get away with it, and what the penalty might be. A guy who cheats in a friendly game of cards is a cheater. A pro who throws a spitball to support his family is a competitor.”

    Off to coach a softball game. 16- seven and eight year old girls who look real cute in their uniforms but currently show few signs of ever being the first female major league players.

  71. timo April 24th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Tex has a patent on that left shoulder block approach:

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....ge_po.html

    That one had a happy ending with Jorge surviving to deliver the walkoff HR a few innings later.

  72. YMH fan April 24th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    After tomorrow’s game, the schedule finally relents: 9 games against the O’s and White Sox.

    It’s been a brutal opening month schedule-wise, and the Yanks are still 11-5. Not bad.

    They’ve also surrendered the fewest runs in the AL.

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it, haters.

  73. Bronx Born April 24th, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Doreen, I know what you mean hard to recognize names as quickly and yes find myself reading a troll and having to switch gears rapidly. I still would like to know the official position of LoHud on registration. It would be great as Randy said if some regulars good have moderator rights.

  74. Rob NY April 24th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Great picture Timo. Note Jorge’s head on the slide. Just like Randy said above the catcher doesn’t take that shot directly to the head. Gotta feel bad for the rookie. Probably a heat of the moment type of mistake and now he’s injured.

  75. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 24th, 2010 at 10:51 am

    “That?s because Tex isn?t black. Had he been, Hunter would?ve considered it a great play.”

    Torii defininitely does have “those issues”.

  76. blake April 24th, 2010 at 10:51 am

    The Phillies have been pretty mediocre on days when Halladay doesn’t pitch. Hamels was awful again last night.

  77. blake April 24th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    I think Scioscia would know more about whether the play was clean or not than Tori Hunter.

  78. Bronx Jeers April 24th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    “It was a clean play,” Scioscia said. “No doubt about it. Mark is trying to score and the ball beat him by a little bit and Bobby did his best to try to get the tag down and Mark just reacted.”

    Hard hit single, Bobby’s got a good arm, Tex is a lead foot. The scene was set.

    If it’s good enough for Scioscia it should be good enough for everybody else.

    Well, maybe not Wilson. But nothing’s broken.

  79. timo April 24th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Yes Rob, Jorge was a bit out of character attempting a block on that ’06 play but he at least kept his head away from the brunt of the collision.

  80. mikey892 April 24th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    I am all for controlling trolls, but there isn’t there a dangerous fine line that is crossed by those who feel the need to police and report what they view as annoying negativity.

  81. mikey892 April 24th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    typo …But isn’t there a dangerous…

  82. Sue Grafton April 24th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    ‘A’ is for ‘Angels Own Us Again’

  83. GreenBeret7 April 24th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Where does this idea that Chamberlain was “getting hit hard before the homer” come from? He gave up a single to Matsui. He did give up a following single afterwards, but he then got the next 3. He’d also had 5 appearances and 5 innings of 3 hits, 1 walk ball before last night. Robertson in his earlier game against the Angels was 4 hits and 4 runs in .1 innings.

    Both have had success and failure against LA. That’s not unusual. So has every other pitcher on the Yankee staff.

  84. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    I’ll judge Scioscia’s true feelings based on whether or not they retaliate, not his words.

  85. Troll List April 24th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Today’s Troll List:

    ———–

    CR9

    ————

    I will setup a list for each post.

  86. Chuck58 April 24th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    Troll List – CR9 is a regular here….

  87. Bronx Born April 24th, 2010 at 11:10 am

    I really do not think I need to have someone tell me who is a troll and who is not..

  88. mikey892 April 24th, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Bronx Born – Exactly

  89. GreenBeret7 April 24th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    mikey892 April 24th, 2010 at 11:01 am
    I am all for controlling trolls, but there isn’t there a dangerous fine line that is crossed by those who feel the need to police and report what they view as annoying negativity.

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    Yeah, it’s a fine line, but, only “dangerous” for the idiot trolls, who, it appears, have gotten an early start today.

  90. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Every time Chad bans these trolls, they come back; something has to be done. It was just awful last night.

    Very disappointing loss last night simply because I completely disagreed with Joe’s decisions. I’m not blaming him for the loss at all, but I really dislike the way he handled Robertson – which is the norm for him because for some reason he only lets the kid pitch for a few batters at a time. PH for Nick Johnson made no sense and now you have to wonder how often Joe is going to do that. It doesn’t help Nick any because now he’s probably going to have to keep hearing how Joe practically admitted the Yankees made a bad decision in not pursuing Matsui more fervently.

  91. YMH fan April 24th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    seriously, you’d have to be a troll yourself to not know that CR9 is a regular.

    most of us could do w/out his soccer & hockey updates, but he is most definitely not a troll.

  92. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Very strange that AJ’s curve has been so bad this year…..I’m glad he had success with the few changes he threw, but if that curve doesn’t come around, it’s going to be tough on him.

  93. Chuck58 April 24th, 2010 at 11:15 am

    I’m okay with the football and hockey updates, actually.
    CR9 just cheers the wrong squad, that’s all ;-)

    Go Gunners!

  94. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 11:16 am

    Racist comments – and there were vile comments directed at women(NOT the first time this happened, but the last time, no one seemed to care here). Plus – saying the Yankees should drop dead?

    I don’t see why registration/log-in would hurt as someone else suggested it would. On the other hand, I don’t see how it would help, either.

  95. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 11:17 am

    Blake, the poster was not banned quickly and then all Chad did was ban the imposter. The original Hit Girl should have been banned as well………..

  96. mikey892 April 24th, 2010 at 11:19 am

    I think the confusion about Robinson is he can pitch to just a few batters and provide an inning or two. We’ve seen that. But with the bullpen staff we have this season, I think Joe, for now, prefers to use Robinson in the former role.

    The bullpen is an ever evolving tale as the season progresses. I can’t remember a single time where it remained static for a season and without wholesale changes due to injuries or lack of performance

  97. GreenBeret7 April 24th, 2010 at 11:19 am

    Nothing wrong with batting Thames for Johnson. Johnson is 2-13 against left handers Thames is 6-12 against left handers. Who has a better chance for success right now?

  98. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2010 at 11:19 am

    The problem with allowing RS and other teams’ trolls is that it creates an atmosphere that spawns the obscene and racist trolls. I think that’s what happened last night.

  99. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2010 at 11:20 am

    How many walks does NJ have against LH pitching?

  100. Bronx Born April 24th, 2010 at 11:20 am

    Betsy, I missed some of the harsher comments but the comments to HitGirl were also very sexist. I agree, she is a pain in the butt and really gets pleasure out of raining on our parade but calling her a hooker was beyond the pale.

  101. Bronx Jeers April 24th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Rich,

    So do you feel Scioscia absolving Tex is a decoy?

    I think Scioscia’s the type of guy to call a spade a spade.

  102. Chris April 24th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    I hope Chad realizes that there is a game today.

    I miss our former dictator Pete.

  103. GreenBeret7 April 24th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Chamberlain and Robertson will both be getting the 8th inning role. Neither can pitch every night. Marte will also get time, depending upon who and what side the batters hit from.

  104. Bronx Born April 24th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Mornin GB, trust you are hale and hearty this a.m…

  105. blake April 24th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Betsy,
    The person saying those horrible things was banned within about 5 minutes of when they started. The other poster was just being annoying, maybe the moderators don’t view “being annoying” as grounds to ban someone…just saying.

    I’ve been impressed with AJ so far this year even if his stuff isn’t quite there yet…he’s really pitching more than throwing so far in this young season. If he continues to do that when the stuff comes around watch out.

  106. CB April 24th, 2010 at 11:23 am

    Last night’s game thread was truly unacceptable due to the vile racist and misogynistic language used here.

    Unfortunately, that language wasn’t necessarily a product of the “trolls.”

    After seeing that language I emailed Chad because things had really gone beyond any tolerable acceptability.

    And it turns out that the racist language wasn’t in fact from the troll who was posting all night.

    It was from someone who was posting under the trolls name likely trying to get the troll banned by the use of that language.

    Trolls are a growing problem on this blog. It is worse than it was even last year because Pete seemed far less tolerant of these nuisance posts. The problem is now extending for hours of the game and across games day after day.

    I really wish people would just stop responding entirely.

    All of a sudden last night the awful christina25 pops up. I’d guess it was due to the “success” of that other ridiculous troll who has popped up the past serveral days.

    But there is absolutely no excuse for that vile and disgusting language being posted as a response to a troll.

    That’s an enormous embarrassment as it suggests a reader of this blog were responsible.

    Troll or yankee fan that language is just horrendous. There is no way that is an acceptable response to a troll.

    Lohud has a real issue it needs to deal with both with the trolls and the unacceptable posts in response.

  107. Phil April 24th, 2010 at 11:23 am

    I miss the salad days of this blog: Rebecca’s optimism, SJ44′s great insight, Dr. Acula’s photos….those days are gone. The trolling and negativity is awful now. I used to be here every post. Now I page search “SJ” or “CB” and skip all else. Too much filler or crap in between.

    Without moderation or registration, it will always be a problem.

  108. GreenBeret7 April 24th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    A whopping total of 3 walks. What’s your point?

  109. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    GB, NJ is a regular and he shouldn’t be pinch hit for. I think he’s a good hitter and he’ll come out of this, but I admit to feeling somewhat frustrated that it seems like he’s more interested than walking than trying to hit.

  110. mikey892 April 24th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    What makes an “Annoying Post” bannable?
    I am legitimately confused by what qualifies and not looking to bait.

  111. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Last time, someone used that word against Trish and me and no one seemed to care; I wonder why they cared last night?

  112. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Blake, I hope his stuff comes around; this year and last, AJ doesn’t seem to be the same guy who could dominate hitters. He doesn’t seem at all like the guy from 2nd half of 2008.

  113. Bronx Born April 24th, 2010 at 11:27 am

    I agree CB, don’t get me wrong the trolls christina and hit girl especially are really a pain in the reading flow. but some reader’s responses were way overboard. it is a fact that if you ignore the trolls they go away, they see they cannot create the effect they crave. nevertheless, it is a pain to have to read through them when you are in the flow of conversation. I do not know that registration will help, we have a quasi-form of it already by having to put down email and name but of course those can be fudged. I am not sure Pete was any faster on the trigger then Chad was last night.

  114. GreenBeret7 April 24th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Bronx Born April 24th, 2010 at 11:22 am
    Mornin GB, trust you are hale and hearty this a.m…

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    Morning, Bronx. Doing fine here. Thanks for asking. Hope all is well with you and that you’ve finally finished the proof-reading of your book?

  115. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Just saying to ignore the trolls doesn’t help. They hang on the blog for hours and at time and every other post is seemingly by them. If you don’t want to miss other, regular posters’ comments, then it’s very hard to ignore the trolls’ posts.

  116. Chris from No-Where April 24th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Buster Olney on NPR now. LOL.

  117. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Bronx Born, no it is not a fact. These stupid trolls just keep posting away…..

  118. YMH fan April 24th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    the trolls show up for one reason, and one reason only, it’s because they’re:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjq5Rq4sSZc

  119. Chris from No-Where April 24th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    I miss the salad days of this blog: Rebecca?s optimism, SJ44?s great insight, Dr. Acula?s photos?.those days are gone. The trolling and negativity is awful now. I used to be here every post. Now I page search ?SJ? or ?CB? and skip all else. Too much filler or crap in between.

    Without moderation or registration, it will always be a problem.

    ——++++——–+++++———++++++——-

    The viewership has been steadily declining on the site, while Pete’s new site is steadily rising.

  120. Bronx Born April 24th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    I wish GB. This is the part I dislike the most because you have to reread what you put together. Unlike a novel or non-fiction a book of poetry flows differently. It is like writing a poem of poems. Somehow they all have to flow together and give both individual poetic experience as well as the totality. Sequence and sometimes pulling pieces that just don’t fit are part of the equation. So it is not just looking for typos. :( Especially, with a book like ONE CHILD SOLD. The book has to create an effect and enlighten folks on human rights and trafficking. There is a bit of a trick to make it all work.

    But am getting excited.. certainly by the end of the weekend I will have it back to the publisher.

    Thanks for asking.

  121. Stop the Crazy April 24th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    There are some on here who are regulars…but need to slow down their postings…clogging the blogging is not cool. I’m looking at you Betsy.

  122. Gary April 24th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    CB, agree. I’m not here as often anymore and don’t ever post during the game.

    Right now I’m pretty feedup with Joba. You could be negative about him on a post, but his performances just speak volumes about the pitcher he hasn’t turned out to be. I don’t like him in that 8th inning slot near as much as I did Phil. Joba just has too many control and velocity issues for key situations.

  123. Phil April 24th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    RAB is now for game threads.

  124. GreenBeret7 April 24th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 11:25 am
    GB, NJ is a regular and he shouldn’t be pinch hit for. I think he’s a good hitter and he’ll come out of this, but I admit to feeling somewhat frustrated that it seems like he’s more interested than walking than trying to hit.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    The fact is, Johnson isn’t hitting and more over, he’s not hitting anything hard. He’s barely making contact at all. Right now, he’s Jason Giambi on one of his bad streaks. He’s also doing what annoyed people about Gardner last year. It was to the point that he was almost afraid to hit the ball. I’ll take Thames at this time.

  125. mark April 24th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    test post

  126. Bronx Born April 24th, 2010 at 11:34 am

    But Betsy, people keep responding to the Trolls, so we don’t know that it would not work. They crave attention. It is their nature.

  127. Bronx Born April 24th, 2010 at 11:35 am

    GB do you have any idea what is up with Johnson. Aside from his lack of hitting, he does not look good. I mean he almost looks unhealthy.

  128. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Brett Gardner was bunting for a hit? Not to sacrifice the runners over? Dumb……and then not to even show any sort of baseball IQ by trying to bunt no matter where the pitch was?

    Maybe so, GB, but I still don’t know that I would have done it. I think you leave him in there the way you leave Tex in there……..eventually they’ll get the job done.

  129. GreenBeret7 April 24th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Bronx Born April 24th, 2010 at 11:32 am
    I wish GB. This is the part I dislike the most because you have to reread what you put together. Unlike a novel or non-fiction a book of poetry flows differently. It is like writing a poem of poems. Somehow they all have to flow together and give both individual poetic experience as well as the totality. Sequence and sometimes pulling pieces that just don’t fit are part of the equation. So it is not just looking for typos. Especially, with a book like ONE CHILD SOLD. The book has to create an effect and enlighten folks on human rights and trafficking. There is a bit of a trick to make it all work.

    But am getting excited.. certainly by the end of the weekend I will have it back to the publisher.

    Thanks for asking.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Well, I can always be hired as a prufe reder. I’m gud at speeling.

  130. Bronx Jeers April 24th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Mikey,

    This is from the Community rules listed in the Terms of Service.

    The following is supposed to be prohibited.

    “Engage in personal attacks, harass or threaten, question the motives behind others’ posts or comments, deliberately inflame or disrupt the conversation”

    Now I’m sure most of us have been guilty at one time or another of posting something that didn’t follow these rules but it’s not a situation where that is the poster’s entire M.O.

    There’s a poster that has been frequenting this site during games whose sole mission is to “deliberately inflame or disrupt the conversation”

  131. mikey892 April 24th, 2010 at 11:38 am

    Thanks Bronx. That provides some necessary context.

  132. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 11:38 am

    Bronx Born, some people respond to the trolls but most don’t.

  133. mikey892 April 24th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    And Bronx, the quoted language has much more substance than an inane standard of general annoyance

  134. Bronx Born April 24th, 2010 at 11:40 am

    That is true Bronx Jeers,

    Obviously, Hit Girl and Christina and Matt to name a couple have no other purpose but to inflame and disrupt. By those rules they should be banned.. I wonder how that can get enforced.

  135. The Ohta Faction April 24th, 2010 at 11:40 am

    Wow, people are actually waxing nostalgic about Pete’s draconian ways?

    Something is clearly wrong here…

  136. GreenBeret7 April 24th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    Bronx Born April 24th, 2010 at 11:35 am
    GB do you have any idea what is up with Johnson. Aside from his lack of hitting, he does not look good. I mean he almost looks unhealthy.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    A lack of confidense, I’d guess. Giambi and Gardner would go through long stretches like this, where they’d look for a walk, no matter the situation, rather than attack a good hitter’s pitch. I can deal with a few strikeouts as long he mashes the pitches that he should be. I’m no hitting coach, but, he seems too timid at the plate.

  137. Bronx Born April 24th, 2010 at 11:43 am

    Yep GB u be da pruf reeder in chahg

  138. mark April 24th, 2010 at 11:45 am

    I usually just lurk here but what happened last night was abhorrent.

    And I’m not talking about Christina or Hit Girl.

    I’m talking about the “imposter” Hit Girl, who used the racist language, and the posters who referred to Hit Girl as a “whore” or “hooker”. Pest trolls are one thing, but the real problems stemmed from regulars who saw fit to take things to a whole other level.

    But is any of this surprising?

    SJ44 has previously wished death on someone and his/her family by poisoning, so the “regulars” are more to blame for the rancid posts than some annoying trolls.

  139. GreenBeret7 April 24th, 2010 at 11:45 am

    I can spot every error that everyone makes, but, for the life of me, I can’t spot mine until after I hit the send button.

  140. Bronx Born April 24th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Mark, I agree.

    But I don’t think it was SJ who make that pledge, it was an impostor.

  141. mikey892 April 24th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    “Pest trolls are one thing, but the real problems stemmed from regulars who saw fit to take things to a whole other level.”

    Sounds like when Groucho said ” I wouldn’t want to be in a club that would have me as a member”

  142. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    GB, that only adds to your charm- never change, lol

  143. GreenBeret7 April 24th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Maybe you should go hold her hand, Mark. She really needs a friend right now.

  144. mark April 24th, 2010 at 11:48 am

    “Obviously, Hit Girl and Christina and Matt to name a couple have no other purpose but to inflame and disrupt. By those rules they should be banned.. I wonder how that can get enforced.”

    The simple fact is that IP addresses can be changed over and over and over again, so a ban is only temporary. The key is to ignore and not ratchet up the disgusting rhetoric.

  145. GreenBeret7 April 24th, 2010 at 11:49 am

    Yes, I suppose you’re right, Betsy. I am full of it.

    Charm, I mean.

  146. ben q April 24th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Posts are really late now a days. .. today in journal news should be up already

  147. blake April 24th, 2010 at 11:51 am

    The majority of trolls (not the vile one from last night) are here to annoy and attempt to ruin the readers enjoyment of the site. If you let them or respond to them then they win. Don’t let them win or ruin your night because they have nothing better to do.

  148. JCPD..... April 24th, 2010 at 11:52 am

    Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 11:25 am
    Last time, someone used that word against Trish and me and no one seemed to care; I wonder why they cared last night?

    Betsy, how do you know no one cared last time? I rarely post anything on here, but how do you know I or anyone else didn’t e-mail Chad (which I did) about the poster choo choo being quite sexist and other things toward the women on this blog.
    As far as registering, I don’t think that will stop people from coming here and posting nonsense. However, if Chad and the crew could give us an “IGNORE” feature, we could all block out who we don’t want to have to sift through.

  149. Si April 24th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    If Pete were running this blog, we would have at least 3 posts already today — being a game day and all.

  150. m April 24th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Good morning, guys.

    I missed most of the game and the aftermath.

    Not complaining, but was anyone surprised to see Joba warming up on the mound when they came back from commercial break? It was a tie game after all. Oh, well. I guess we have David Robertson for today, because Joba threw a lot of pitches. How many batters did he face? 6? Every single one of them tattooed the ball. It may be a coincidence, but they really see him well. I recall the same thing happening in the ALCS in Anaheim, too. Not complaining about Joba, just surprised that every ball put into play was a rocket.

    missed all of AJ’s start except the end of the 4th when he got out of trouble. Nice play on the mound, too! But, Chad, to answer your question from last night. I was surprised to come home in the 7th and find AJ still in the game. Robertson did a nice job, too.

    Hopefully, we’ll win today behind Andy. We need to win, if only to keep the crazy trolls out of here. It may be that someone back at the mother ship needs to moderate the comments during losses. I know it’s tough with the WC games, but it would definitely keep the regulars from running away.

    Let’s go Yankees. You’re not playing on Fox…you’re not playing on Fox…you’re not…

  151. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Blake, I agree – that’s why I don’t respond to trolls.

  152. Bronx Born April 24th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    JCPD,

    An ignore button would be ideal. You could just click on the poster and forever ignore them. That would be bliss.

    Betsy, you have to know people cared.

  153. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    JCPD, I am ALL for an ignore function. I realize that (like on other boards) if people quote that ignored person, you’ll still see what that person wrote, but so be it.

  154. Si April 24th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Let me guess:

    12:30 pm — Chad posts ‘Today in the Journal New’
    3:00 pm — Chad posts ‘Pregame Notes’
    4:05 pm — Chad posts ‘Game 17: Yankees at Angels’
    7:30 pm — Chad posts ‘Post game Notes’

  155. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 11:58 am

    Bronx Born (and JCPD) – I probably shouldn’t have said that, but no one said anything that night and I know I was outraged.

  156. Bronx Born April 24th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    I can understand Betsy. I was not around that night so I did not know. But most of the folks around here care – a lot.

    As for those busting Chad, Pete ain’t here anymore. And even when he was – west coast trips always put a damper on the timeline. So much to complain about… Maybe Chad is not feeling well or whatever. These guys do a good job plus seem to be much more pro-Yankee than the other fellow. At least not raggin on ARod.

  157. Bronx Jeers April 24th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Some people are just whiny fans. Occasionally whining can lead to debate and you might pick up a little nugget of knowledge. That’s about the best you can hope for.

    I think what happened with Hit Girl last night is that someone roasted her pretty good. It was clever and well executed as the actual insult was subtle or implied. I certainly laughed.

    But then everybody else sort of jumped on that bandwagon and the problem is that these wagon jumpers weren’t quite as verbally talented so clever devolved into vulgar.

    People just need to let the pros do their job without interference. :wink:

  158. CR9 April 24th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    If Pete were here, we might have never won the 2009 World Series.

    Maybe, it was the awful site of him prior to playoff games that made our team flop in past playoffs?!

    Good Riddance to bad rubbish, Pete!

  159. JCPD..... April 24th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Not to worry Betsy. Sometime we say things we shouldn’t. I know I at times have this great talent of opening my mouth and inserting foot. :-)

  160. SJ44 April 24th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    To blame the trolls on the regulars here is a joke.

    Without the regulars, this blog would cease to exist.

    The trolls are a LoHud problem because they have never done anything about it.

    If they don’t start soon, the trolls will be the only people left posting on this blog.

  161. CR9 April 24th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    SJ44

    Trolls are a part of every site. Aside from an ignore feature, there is not really much that can be done.

    Chad was on top of things last night, quickly.

  162. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    JCPD, me too, lol. Sometimes I wish I could edit the things I say here…..that’s another function we could use, an edit button.

  163. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    In game threads, I think that will be the case, SJ. If that’s what it takes to get LOHUD’s attention (or whomever), then maybe that’s what it takes. Leave the game thread to the trolls and maybe post in the previous thread….

  164. CR9 April 24th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Betsy

    LOL Dont we all!

    ____

    AIG = Alex Is God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

    That can work for either Sir Alex Fergie, or Alex Rodriguez!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  165. CR9 April 24th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Jeter and Mariano should be knighted…..

  166. SJ44 April 24th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    There is a simple solution. When proplecross the line, like they did last night, publish their personal info on the blog.

    Once Pete did it, the vile garbage stopped immediately.

    I guarantee you if that’s done again, the bile stuff will be gone.

    If you want to be a racist, don’t hide behind a screen name. Get your real name out for all to see.

  167. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    I didn’t even know Pete did that – I’m all for that.

  168. Bronx Born April 24th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    What do you suggest they do SJ. I agree they have never done anything about it other than to ban someone which is temporary at best. So far the Ignore function sounds like the best idea, but what do you think is the solution?

  169. CR9 April 24th, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    SJ44

    First, when did Pete post people’s personal info?

    Second, how do you know who is actually doing the posting, from whatever IP address? As an example, there are 4 member households. Who is to know which one is posting from that IP address?

    It could be anybody using the IP address, from a friend, a family member, to a McDonalds with free WiFi.

  170. mark April 24th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    The racist and vulgar remarks came from the regulars, not the trolls.

    I certainly blame the escalation of the problem last night on the regulars. The worst thing the trolls were posting was “Nick Johnson stinks”.

    It would be interesting to know who the imposter Hit Girl was…

  171. blake April 24th, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Do I wish these people would find another hobby..yes. But they don’t bother me enough to make me want to stop talking about the game or baseball and start talking about them…from the looks of it we have already let them win because we are still talking about trolls today instead of baseball/Yankees.

  172. Angels2004 April 24th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    Hello everyone!

    This is my first post here, found the website reading about the Braden\Rodriguez incident.

    Just a few points I would like to make:

    Teixeira and Hunter were friends when they played for the Angels. Matter of fact, Torii thought Mark was going to sign with the Angels, so take that for what its worth. Either way, race didn’t have anything to do with it.

    As far as the play at the play at the plate, I personally think that Mark came in a little to hard. It was a clean play though. Wilson should not have moved to tag, since he didn’t have the ball. Mark should have slid.

    Sucks for Bobby Wilson, his first Major League start he ends up on the DL.

    I didn’t get to see the troll comments, but I hope that doesn’t stop fans of other teams posting here. I’ve seen that on other sites, where its impossible to become a member if you’re not a fan of that particular team. Variety is the spice of life. :)

  173. GreenBeret7 April 24th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    Nothing funnier than someone dropping in out of the sky to defend the trolls and blame the regulars. Could this be the thoughts of “Hit Girl” in disguise?

  174. Benny Blanco April 24th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    I see PA can’t go one day without mentioning arod.

  175. Bronx Jeers April 24th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    I have no problem with fans of other teams coming in here and engaging in spirited debate.

    But that just doesn’t happen very often. It’s mostly hit and run.

  176. Benny Blanco April 24th, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    As a black man myself, I found what was written yesterday absolutely appalling.

  177. GreenBeret7 April 24th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    PA is the only Blog host known to troll his own site just for hits and kicks.

  178. The Ohta Faction April 24th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    CR9,

    Pete once listed a poster’s ip address, noting that traced back to a prominent business. He asked the poster if his employer was aware that he was posting his nonsense while on company time? (The implicit understanding being that Pete would gladly notify the employer if the poster did not cease-and-desist.)

    It was classic stuff.

  179. tala08 April 24th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    What is this obsession with the number of posts? Most times Pete held back some info that very well could have gone in a previous one to give it its own post and set the time to publish it at a later time, early next morning.

    Go back and look most of his posts were not centered around breaking news. As long as conversation continues (as is the case as we speak) it doesn’t matter if its in one thread or five.

  180. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Benny, it was awful. The only reason I didn’t say anything was because I didn’t want to give any attention to those racists…….but I was fuming.

  181. BBFan April 24th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    The trolls are trolls.
    We can and should ignore them. That is what I do. I never reply to thier posts.

    But, lately some of the regulars who post very frequently have become literally unbearable.
    Like yesterday a few of these folks arguing incessantly with GB so foolishly that Robertson should have pitched instead of Joba. And some of these people think they have better baseball knwoledge than Girardi. Questioning a move by Girardi is fine. But dragging it on and on is something else.

    When Girardi does something it is keeping in mind the whole season. When Girardi used Joba in the eighth inning, it was not just in the context of yesterday’s game. In any case, if Joba did not give up that home run and held them scoreless, the same folks will be praising the move.

  182. Chuck58 April 24th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Hey, Angels2004, welcome.
    We do indeed have people here who love other teams and are quite cordial about it [ray soxfan, dennis, CompassRosy come to mind]. We’re looking to take 2 of 3, so be forewarned! :-)

  183. Bronx Jeers April 24th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Benny,

    I’m genuinely sorry that happened.

    I really believe it was just a severely misguided “fan” that thought they were doing the blog a favor by attempting to get Hit Girl banned by using the most vulgar language imaginable. I think even Hit Girl herself was somewhat taken aback by it.

    They took that poster out pretty quickly.

  184. Chuck58 April 24th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Tala, it’s just another thing for people to complain about.
    I say, if we paved the streets with 24 karat gold, someone would gripe that it’s too bright and hurts their eyes…..

  185. BBFan April 24th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    “PA is the only Blog host known to troll his own site just for hits and kicks.”

    Hilarious :)
    However, as I questioned PA so many times, he would post negative info about A-Rod and Girardi just to get hits. He stooped down too low to achieve that goal.

  186. YMH fan April 24th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    Pete’s certainly not above a bit of trolling himself (he was busted by the guys @NoMaas):

    http://www.baseballthinkfactor.....ed_reader/

    lol

  187. Jeremy April 24th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Hey guys I apologized for my repsonse to Hit Girl. And if anyone didn’t see my apology I would like to apologize. I’m usually a nice guy but I was getting frustrated with her constant posts and when she said “I hope every Yankee drops dead” I became very angry.

    I realized it was wrong and that in the future I should not use that kind of language.

  188. NYYanksFan April 24th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Angels2004

    Welcome. Polite smart commenting is always welcome no matter who you are a fan of. Good to see how the other half thinks.

    Difference of opinion is always accepted but taunting, jeering and hating of Yanke players is reserved for Yankee fans. :wink:

  189. Jeremy April 24th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    My comment to Hit girl was disrespectful to women and it won’t happen again.

  190. Chuck58 April 24th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    NYY, that’s hilarious.
    Sadly, it is also true :-(

  191. Gary April 24th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Joba threw a lot of pitches. How many batters did he face? 6? Every single one of them tattooed the ball. It may be a coincidence, but they really see him well. I recall the same thing happening in the ALCS in Anaheim, too. Not complaining about Joba, just surprised that every ball put into play was a rocket.

    It’s far from an isolated incident, Joba is very hittable and even the outs most of the time get good swings on the ball. I’ve seen alot of rockets off Joba.

  192. Jeremy April 24th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    And in terms of my comment on Joba in 2007. I am over what happened in the 2007 ALDS but the point I was making was that Joba really hasn’t come up big for this team in a long time. His stuff is not as good as it was prior to the injury.

    Now I think this team is the best in baseball and I’m not one of those people complaining about NJ because I know he will get better but Joba is a mystery and we all have to admit that Joba has left off from right where he started in 2009.

  193. Rob NY April 24th, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    “I have no problem with fans of other teams coming in here and engaging in spirited debate.
    But that just doesn’t happen very often. It’s mostly hit and run.”

    Agreed about other teams’ fans coming in. But the blog does have a few ‘regulars’ from across the league. Ray(sox fan), Dennis, et al. are great posters who help get good information on the blog. Also, that Blue Jays fan (sorry can’t remember your name) who gave some nice insight into AJ, and the way things work at the Roger’s Center last season is a pretty good guy.

  194. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) April 24th, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    “When Girardi does something it is keeping in mind the whole season. When Girardi used Joba in the eighth inning, it was not just in the context of yesterday’s game. In any case, if Joba did not give up that home run and held them scoreless, the same folks will be praising the move.”

    Even better, if Girardi kept Robertson in the game and he gives up the homer then they’ll be screaming that Joba should have been in the game. In some cases, the manager can’t win with flacky fans when players such as Joba last night fail to execute their pitches or at bats.

  195. BBFan April 24th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    It is true Joba was hit hard yesterday.
    At the same time he was great the day before.

    As CB noted yesterday, Joba has been inconsistent with his mechanics.
    They need to correct it.
    That will happen only with frequent use.
    Sometimes he will bomb like yesterday.
    But, if it helps that is great.
    If he continues to underperform, he will lose his late inning duties.
    He may even be sent to minors to correct his issues.

    This is early in the season and it is the time to take those chances.

  196. Gary April 24th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Jeremy, I agree. He’s worth a fraction of what he was. If your supposed to be the 8th inning specialist and that’s where your slot is and you don’t get it done then where exactly can they play him.

  197. Angels2004 April 24th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    CompassRosy is cool. She posts at the site I normally post at. That’s the type of fan that I’m talking about, the ones that make the conversations richer with their posts.

    The rest of the series looks good – I think the Angels will take the series.

  198. GreenBeret7 April 24th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Not everything hit off of Chamberlain was “a rocket”. Rivera’s was a grounder through the infield. The last three hit fly balls…ordinary fly balls. Chamberlain wasn’t great, but, at least get the facts straight.

  199. Jeremy April 24th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    The point I was making wasn’t so much about Joe bringing in Joba but how Joba looks very average. He doesn’t look like the pitcher from 2007 or early 2008.

  200. Erin April 24th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    New Post: Slow day in Anaheim

  201. Jeremy April 24th, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    Gary
    Right ! He wasn’t that good in the rotation last year and even in the bullpen in the postseason he was up and down. Actually he got hit hard by the Angels and the Phillies and almost blew Game 3 in the ALDS.

    If he can’t do well in the rotation and bullpen then what is he doing for this team ?

  202. NYYanksFan April 24th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Angels 2004

    Angels always play the Yankees tough. Especially in Anaheim.

    Pineiro had them off balance last time but hoping they figured something out from it.

    It seems like you guys are loving Matsui as much as we did.


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