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Slow day in Anaheim

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 24, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

After a late night at the ball park last night, the Yankees have a late arrival in Anaheim this morning. Word is that there will be no batting practice and Joe Girardi isn’t even meeting with the media until 11 a.m. local time.

It’s a day game after a night game, so you’ll probably see Francisco Cervelli in the lineup. It will be his fourth start, but his first with anyone other than CC Sabathia.

“It’s not one guy catching one guy,” Girardi said. “That’s just the way it’s worked out lately.”

UPDATE, 10:11 a.m.: Dumb and Dumber playing in the clubhouse with Sabathia, Winn and Burnett watching. As far as I can tell, those are the only players in the house.

UPDATE, 10:16 a.m.: As soon as I wrote the previous update, the credits started to roll on the movie and the bus arrived at the stadium. It’s suddenly pretty much a full house.

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60 Responses to “Slow day in Anaheim”

  1. Erin April 24th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    I hate when the games are on FOX on Saturdays. I’m stuck with the Chicago game :(

  2. BBFan April 24th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    Repost:

    It is true Joba was hit hard yesterday.
    At the same time he was great the day before.

    As CB noted yesterday, Joba has been inconsistent with his mechanics.
    They need to correct it.
    That will happen only with frequent use.
    Sometimes he will bomb like yesterday.
    But, if it helps that is great.
    If he continues to underperform, he will lose his late inning duties.
    He may even be sent to minors to correct his issues.

    This is early in the season and it is the time to take those chances.

  3. RSM April 24th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    I’m not sure what all the fuss is about. If a catcher is going to block the plate, there is no alternative but to run him down. It’s that, or don’t score.

  4. Chuck58 April 24th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Angels2004, that’s good!
    Now, why do you think the Angels are going to take the Series?
    Yanks have Andy Pettitte on the hill today, and if any veteran pitcher knows what to do to hang in there and stop a skid, it’s him. Then, Javier Vazquez finishes up, finally rounding into 2009 form after a rocky beginning. There’s some evidence as to why we think we will take 2 of 3. :-)

  5. Joe from Long Island April 24th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Doreen – Are we having GTLU today?

  6. Jeremy April 24th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    BBFan
    I agree that Joba does have some issues with his mechanics but we all know that his stuff isn’t there anymore. Ever since that injury his performance has been average at best.

    Do you think improving his mechanics will make things that much better ?

  7. Erin April 24th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Anybody see this game wrapup in Haiku form? It’s really good!

    http://www.bronxbanterblog.com.....alifornia/

  8. Erin April 24th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    BryanHoch SS Derek Jeter has 441 career doubles and needs 1 double to tie Don Mattingly for third place on the #Yankees all-time list.

  9. Joe from Long Island April 24th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Two thoughts –

    1. Tex comes into home plate hard. Remember when he was on Texas a few years back and barreled into Jorge? That was the game where Jorge hit a walk off HR in the 9th. Tex got the Daily News photo of the collision framed and gave it to Jorge when he joined the team last year.

    2. Joba needs to pitch. He’s not going to straighten out his mechanics sitting on the bench. Better he has these sort of outings in April, when the team is 11-4, then in August.

  10. Phil Columbus April 24th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    I’ve got one lineup right this season, but it would seem to make more sense to catch Cervelli against the lefty on Sunday.

  11. Erin April 24th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    UPDATE, 10:11 a.m.: Dumb and Dumber playing in the clubhouse with Sabathia, Winn and Burnett watching. As far as I can tell, those are the only players in the house.

    **************************

    :lol:

  12. hardwired April 24th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    these Fox games are DEATH.

    the only way to make them bearable is to take a shot every time Joe Buck mentions the Yankee payroll.

    pie-eyed, here I come…

  13. Erin April 24th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Joe from Long Island April 24th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
    Two thoughts –

    1. Tex comes into home plate hard. Remember when he was on Texas a few years back and barreled into Jorge? That was the game where Jorge hit a walk off HR in the 9th. Tex got the Daily News photo of the collision framed and gave it to Jorge when he joined the team last year.

    ******************************
    And I think he signed it “Now we’re best friends” or something like that. :)

  14. Erin April 24th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    hardwired April 24th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
    these Fox games are DEATH.

    the only way to make them bearable is to take a shot every time Joe Buck mentions the Yankee payroll.

    ***********************
    That’s right, I’ll missing Joe Buck. Maybe it’s not so bad after all. ;)

  15. BBFan April 24th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Jeremy,

    It is time to stop comparing Joba to 2007 version and say he is average or failure.
    He still shows flashes and there are others in the league with similar stuff that are successful.
    I agreed with CB that it is a problem with his mechanics. That is why some days he is great and some days average.

    They need to find out if he can become consistent and early season is the time to find it out.

  16. Phil Columbus April 24th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    BBFan
    I agree with your take on Joba. No matter what it is now is the time tio fix it. Joe needs to keep running him out there and let him sink or swim.

  17. Jeremy April 24th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    BBFan
    I guess we should give Joba some more time then. It’s still early but my issue with Joba and I said this on the game thread last night is that it seems like he doesn’t take this seriously.

    But I hope he turns things around.

  18. BBFan April 24th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    I am not sure if Joba does not take it seriously.
    It is just his personality.
    Same thing was said about Cano too.
    Bottomline is Joba has to perform and everything else is nothing but noise.
    Cano is no different today, but he is performing and people think he is great and he is.

  19. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    I’m fine with giving Joba time, but pitching Robertson 1 batter at a time just makes no sense to me and Joe does this all the time with him (not always just one batter, but the point is, he takes D-Rob out prematurely).

    LOL at CC, AJ and Winn watching Dumb and Dumber; I’ve never seen it, but I happen to love stupid funny movies….

  20. The Ohta Faction April 24th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    From now on, DNA samples must be provided prior to posting.

  21. Erin April 24th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    LOL at CC, AJ and Winn watching Dumb and Dumber; I’ve never seen it, but I happen to love stupid funny movies….

    **********************
    If you like stupid movies, trust me, you’d love Dumb and Dumber. ;)

  22. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....RbWw2VKS7K

    Nice piece on Romine…

  23. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Erin, that’s with Jim Carrey, right?

  24. Nick Johnson April 24th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    Joba is a starter not a reliever. He belongs in the starting rotation either with the yankees or in scranton since he lost the 5th spot.

    Pettitte is going to retire and Javy sucks the yanks are going to have a couple of open spots in the rotation next year. Stupid decision putting Mr. Chamberlain back in the bullpen.

  25. Jeremy April 24th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Betsy
    I wanted to apologize for my comment to Hit Girl during the Game thread. The remark was offensive and I shouldn’t have used it even though she said offesive remarks. I was angry at her “I hope every Yankee drops dead” and racist comments, but I should have ignored her.

  26. BBFan April 24th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    As someone said in the last thread, if Robertson was left in 8th and he gave that homerun then every one will be crucifying Girardi for not bringing in Joba.

    Honestly, just like GB7 in last night game thread, I do not understand this love for Robertson over Joba. Did he pitch any better than Joba this season?

    Also, Girardi may be doing a favor to Robertson by easing him slowly given his poor performance to date. Also, he still walks too many people and 8th inning not the time to walk people, you do not have enough game left to recover. Ultimately he will get his chance as he is good and I sure he will improve his walk rate.

  27. Jeremy April 24th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Nick Johnson
    Joba couldn’t handle the rotation last year so what makes you think that he will handle it any better especially since he has been average in the pen. Also Javy is here for 1 year only and the Yankees get draft picks for letting him walk. And Cliff Lee is a free agent next year so I doubt the Yankees need Joba in the rotation.

  28. The Ohta Faction April 24th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    “Joba is a starter not a reliever. He belongs in the starting rotation”

    http://farm4.static.flickr.com.....ca0fc5.jpg

  29. JCPD..... April 24th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    So, for the people who think the Tex play at the plate was not a clean play (and that is certainly your right to feel that way)…… why would he go out of his way to risk injury to his own body when a simple, misplaced AJ fastball would have sent the same message…… we’ve got your back Tex.

  30. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 24th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Jeremy, I don’t even know what you said, so there’s no need to apologize – but thank you!

  31. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    We don’t know that Javy isn’t only here for one year, just as we don’t know that Pettitte will be back.

    The Yankees could need two starters, or none.

  32. pat April 24th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Ledger_Yankees #NYY lineup vs LAA Jeter 6, Gardner 7, Teixeira 3, Rodriguez 5, Cano 4, Swisher 9, Granderson 8, Pena 5, Cervelli 2, Pettitte 1.

    Alex DHing I presume

  33. LGY - Official 7th Inning Man April 24th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    “As someone said in the last thread, if Robertson was left in 8th and he gave that homerun then every one will be crucifying Girardi for not bringing in Joba.”

    ——————————————–

    Almost every poster on here that complained about bringing Joba in, did it before he even threw a pitch. Most wanted D-Rob to stay in and others wanted Marte.

    It is pretty difficult to go back and crucify Girardi or praise him as genius if Joba did get the job done when you are on record saying it was a bad decision from the start. Stupid trolls are the topic of the day, but comments like Girardi cannot win does not give enough credit to the many very intelligent and logical thinkers who post on this board.

    Sure, some posters will kill Girardi no matter what, but those posters should not overshadow the posts that gave well reasoned arguments for why Joba should not have been in the game. Girardi is a great manager, but he is not infallible.

  34. JK April 24th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Melky is KILLING the Braves today vs the Mets.

  35. Rick April 24th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Be assured that Buck & McCarver will beat to death with video and constantly harp on the A-Rod / Dallas Braden incident in Oakland.
    Pure gibberish in it’s finest form.

  36. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) April 24th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    “Almost every poster on here that complained about bringing Joba in, did it before he even threw a pitch. Most wanted D-Rob to stay in and others wanted Marte.”

    Almost every poster doesn’t mean their right.

    “Sure, some posters will kill Girardi no matter what, but those posters should not overshadow the posts that gave well reasoned arguments for why Joba should not have been in the game. Girardi is a great manager, but he is not infallible.”

    No manager is infallible, what should be part of the job desciprtion for a manager is that decisions are made to be questioned by fans that think they more than the manager.

  37. blake April 24th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    A little place called Assss-pen.

  38. JK April 24th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    Rich in NJ,

    I see…

    Sabahtia
    Burnett
    Hughes (really important that he establishes himself so they can ease in another youngster)
    Pettitte or Vazquez (only if 2 years)
    Joba, Nova or Mcallister

    I thought they would go after Lee, but with his injury history it’s just too dangerous locking him up along with Burnett. I think the Yankees have their $$$ earmarked for Crawford or Werth.

  39. BBFan April 24th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    “Girardi is a great manager, but he is not infallible.”

    Agreed.

    How do you know for sure that Robertson would have done well in 8th?
    Just becasue it was said before and Joba failed does not mean they are right.
    Did you feel the same way about Joba coming in the day before in even more high leverage situaiton? How did he do?

    In any case, they have to find what really they have in Joba and these early season high leverage situaions are the time to find out.

  40. JK April 24th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    CRAWDADDY,

    If the Girardi left in 9 era 2.00 whip Robertson and he got beat YOU CAN BET everyone would have been screaming why he didn’t bring in Chamberlain with his 2.35 era, >11 k/9 & 1.17 whip to face the heart of the angels lineup.

  41. LGY - Official 7th Inning Man April 24th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    “Almost every poster doesn’t mean their right.”

    Very little made sense about bringing Joba in last night considering how bad the matchups were for him, how good Robertson looked, how great Marte is on LHP, and how Morales hits for significantly more power against RHP. And that is not even the main problem.

    The main problem was the implication on the rest of the season and the way managers have gone completely overboard in the management of their pens. The concept that the 8th inning is some special inning and we need a second closer for the 8th inning is troubling.

    “No manager is infallible, what should be part of the job desciprtion for a manager is that decisions are made to be questioned by fans that think they more than the manager.”

    You are painting a broad stroke when you classify every criticism as people who think they know more than the manager. Again it does not give nearly enough credit to the level headed posters on here who do not just think they are smarter than Girardi, but were troubled by not only the particular move he made but the nature of the move and its implications.

    The “Girardi cannot win” and “fans who think they know better” are poor generalizations and are thrown around far too often on this board.

  42. BBFan April 24th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    JK, well said.
    I am surprized that some regulars just find it difficult to accept this fact.

  43. LGY - Official 7th Inning Man April 24th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Again, that accusation makes very little sense.

    All those people are on record BEFORE hand saying it was a bad decision.

    How do you go back and scream about bringing Joba in when 10 minutes earlier you specifically said I do NOT want Joba in?

    If a poster were to do that you can bet they would get called out and they would look very stupid.

  44. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) April 24th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    The games you play in April and May count like the games in from July going forward, but they’re also important because a manager and his GM can evaluate their roster and thus determine what they might have to later on the season to tweak their roster for a playoff run. I can’t get too upset about Girardi’s decision last night with Joba because it’s not a sure thing that Robertson or even Marte could’ve done better. Joe made the decision to go with Joba because he felt he was the best pitcher for the situation. Joba didn’t get it done with some obvious command issues just like CC didn’t get it done the other day with similar command issues. It happens and you move on to the next game on your 162 game schedule.

  45. LGY - Official 7th Inning Man April 24th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Craw,

    I agree that it happens and you move on. What happened last night will be out of my mind when the first pitch is thrown in a couple hours. Managers make mistakes. It happens.

    I am not going to speak for everyone that criticized the move last night. But, personally I am worried by the Joba is the 8th inning man notion. I am even more puzzled why Girardi felt the need to announce that like the 8th inning is some special role like closer. I do not like the way bullpen management is going in the game in general and I really though Girardi was much more creative than what he showed last night.

  46. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) April 24th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    You damn right I paint with a broad brush because there are times, all of us think we know more than the manager because that’s what fans do when watching games.

    If you don’t agree with me that’s fine, but I know for a fact that I will question some moves by Girardi in some way or another during this season as I have for every manager that managed the Yankees over the last 50 years I’ve been watching them. It’s what fans do…..

  47. BBFan April 24th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    “Again it does not give nearly enough credit to the level headed posters on here who do not just think they are smarter than Girardi, but were troubled by not only the particular move he made but the nature of the move and its implications.”

    Good point and I agree.

    But just go back and re-read last night’s game thread again.
    There were a couple of regulars who post more than others just acting like they know better than Girardi and keep harping how bad Girardi’s decison making was and even arguing stupidly with rational arguments being given by GB7. That is when it becomes annoying.

    Questioning mangerial moves is OK, no manager is perfect. That is part of blogging. When these people keep harping about the same move and they know better than Girardi and ignoring and questioning the rational arguments being given by other knowledgeble posters that is when people question them.

  48. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) April 24th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    “I am not going to speak for everyone that criticized the move last night. But, personally I am worried by the Joba is the 8th inning man notion. I am even more puzzled why Girardi felt the need to announce that like the 8th inning is some special role like closer. I do not like the way bullpen management is going in the game in general and I really though Girardi was much more creative than what he showed last night.”

    It’s because you and I are fans. We think we know our players and what really motivates them, but we really don’t know them personally and have no idea what type of motivation works with them. You have to give your manager some latitude in how he manages his players because your hope is that he knows them a lot better and is trying his best to get the best out of them. Last night, Joba failed to execute, it happens so we’ll see what happens the next time he’s put in that position. IMO, as much as like Robertson, he too is not a sure thing and like Joba, I want to see more out of him this coming season.

  49. LGY - Official 7th Inning Man April 24th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    BBFan,

    I agree and I think that just the nature of game threads are going to be more emotional than the discussion the next day. Especially since it was a very frustrating way to lose for some.

    I also think a lot of people were just very confused with the move. One of the most confusing things was that Joe loves to play matchups and last night was just the opposite of a Joe Girardi move. I think Rich said it was Torre-esque.

  50. BBFan April 24th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Like many others I also scratch my head with some of the moves by Girardi.
    Still, I beleive that Girardi knows better, he is more interested about the whole season and he has information that we do not.
    He is WS winning manger after all, after our futlity for so many years leading to it.

  51. BBFan April 24th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    “One of the most confusing things was that Joe loves to play matchups and last night was just the opposite of a Joe Girardi move.”

    You know what is funny. Girardi was criticised for the match ups and yesterday he did not follow it and it bombed :)

  52. LGY - Official 7th Inning Man April 24th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Joe was probably just doing it to mess with us.

    I told you bast*erds you do not know better than me. Now you know why I play match ups, so shut it!

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